#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-11-25

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[00:03:51] <Aero-Tec> JT-Shop: you there?
[00:04:09] <Aero-Tec> sorry for the interrupt
[00:04:16] <Aero-Tec> you eating and all
[00:04:46] <Aero-Tec> I remed out the extra tools
[00:05:00] <Aero-Tec> looked real good, seemed like it worked
[00:05:47] <Aero-Tec> when I looked at the tool editor only 20 tool listed, not the 110 about I had before
[00:06:06] <Aero-Tec> cool, things should be golden now
[00:06:09] <Aero-Tec> not
[00:06:17] <Aero-Tec> still error
[00:06:25] <Aero-Tec> T99 not found
[00:06:40] <Aero-Tec> now I am confused again
[00:07:01] <Aero-Tec> made sure the tool table was reloaded
[00:07:37] <Aero-Tec> the tool editor proves the new table is loaded
[00:07:49] <Aero-Tec> do a reload of Gcode
[00:07:58] <Aero-Tec> T99 not found
[00:08:37] <Aero-Tec> this type of stuff can drive a man to drink
[00:08:58] * jdh hands Aero-Tec a Diet Coke(tm)
[00:09:09] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:10:15] <Aero-Tec> I was thinking something stiffer and then head to bed, pulled a all nighter to get some rush parts made
[00:10:37] <Loetmichel> Aero-Tec: think positive: at least the erros with linuxCNC are persistent and repeatable. in mach3 i have heard of many "appears occasionally" errors. THAT is the kind which can drive a man mad!
[00:10:52] <Aero-Tec> I am setting here here dead tired and still no parts
[00:11:11] <Aero-Tec> lol
[00:11:14] <Aero-Tec> true
[00:11:31] <Aero-Tec> or the error that says nothing
[00:11:52] <Aero-Tec> it just move the machine at full speed some random dir
[00:12:24] <Aero-Tec> vise, table, part, jigs non is safe
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[00:13:26] <Aero-Tec> or it will just freeze the machine, no reason, just complete lockup of computer
[00:13:44] <Aero-Tec> reboot is the only option
[00:14:20] <Aero-Tec> then resetting every thing back up and starting every thing anew
[00:15:24] <Aero-Tec> I will take this any day, but would also like to make some chips some time today if possible
[00:17:15] <Aero-Tec> so if there is only about 20 tool showing up in table using tool table editor
[00:17:28] <Aero-Tec> and T99 is one of them
[00:17:56] <Aero-Tec> why would EMC say T99 can not be found?
[00:18:16] <Aero-Tec> when reloading the Gcode file?
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[00:19:51] <Loetmichel> Aero-Tec: IIRC t99 is a special tool
[00:20:10] <Loetmichel> have something in the ear/mind like this
[00:20:16] <Aero-Tec> could there be a bug that when the tool table size was to big it messes things up and EMC program need a reload?
[00:20:31] <Loetmichel> have you tried to search/replace your gcode to another tool number?
[00:21:22] <Aero-Tec> did not see anything in the doc that mention anything about special tools
[00:21:37] <Aero-Tec> not yet
[00:22:11] <Aero-Tec> it bugs me to have things happening I do not understand
[00:22:45] <Aero-Tec> I am fine with just about anything as long as I know how things work and also like to know why
[00:23:40] <Aero-Tec> but to just do a work around with out knowing the base reason why, would keep eating at me
[00:24:38] <Aero-Tec> but for the sake of the rush order and my getting to bed sooner I and willing to risk being eaten
[00:25:21] <Aero-Tec> took till 1:30 AM to get a new motor into the lathe
[00:25:46] <Aero-Tec> changing the motor took forever
[00:26:41] <Aero-Tec> old motor, 1 cap on motor and 3 wire from reverencing switch
[00:27:45] <Aero-Tec> new one 2 caps on motor, in casing way to high to fit in lathe and 5 wires from reversing switch
[00:28:21] <Aero-Tec> and the motor guy just sold his last switch normally used for that motor
[00:29:35] <Aero-Tec> new motor is bigger and so things were so tight you were lucky to be able to even touch the bolts for the motor little on turn them
[00:30:05] <Aero-Tec> I had a ton of fun, more fun them the law should allow.....LOL
[00:30:51] <Aero-Tec> so is there any other tooling T numbers I need to avoid?
[00:32:15] <Aero-Tec> my luck I would pick the only other one in all 99,999 I hit number 99 right on que
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[00:56:59] <Aero-Tec> skunkworks: do you have some time to help me with the tool table problem?
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[01:18:32] <tjb1> Our propane regulator is freezing because they didnt purge the tank :(
[01:20:16] <ds3> tjb1: is that due to ice forming inside it?
[01:20:35] <tjb1> yes, i dumped hot water on the regulator and the logs started working fine again
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[01:22:25] <tjb1> They are supposed to purge the air/nitrogen from new tanks before filling them…they didn't and now the moisture is freezing the regulator up. Going to see if anyone around here can add methanol
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[01:28:39] <jdh> poke a small hole in the propane line just downstream of the regulator, light it, use that to keep the regulator from freezing.
[01:29:11] <alex4nder> haha
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[01:30:13] <tjb1> Then it sucks the flame into the line, boom.
[01:30:57] <ReadError> it would need oxygen to boom properly
[01:31:17] <jdh> I bet it is perfectly safe. Let us know how it works.
[01:32:13] <alex4nder> ReadError: how's the taig?
[01:32:26] <ReadError> still crankin ;)
[01:32:30] <ReadError> i want a 4th axis tho
[01:32:35] <alex4nder> nice
[01:32:42] <alex4nder> yah, my mill is in storage
[01:32:47] <ReadError> awww
[01:32:48] <alex4nder> and will be for the forseeable future.
[01:32:49] <ReadError> movin ?
[01:32:51] <alex4nder> yup
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[01:32:58] <ReadError> weak ;(
[01:33:24] <ReadError> long distance ?
[01:33:44] <tjb1> Im not a fan of propane powered anything…it never works right
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[01:39:42] <tjb1> How can I alter the arc_ok in this to take it from true to false… http://pastebin.com/UhihsUZP
[01:39:52] <alex4nder> ReadError: yup
[01:40:12] <tjb1> Line 90…change it to "if(torch_on && arc_ok = 0 && vel_status)" ?
[01:41:17] <ReadError> alex4nder, stayin in cali ?
[01:41:57] <jdh> you want to invert the input?
[01:43:12] <tjb1> Just for that jdh, I cant change the signal to -not because then my wait for digital input on that input stops working
[01:44:00] <tjb1> But maybe if inverted I can use M66 P00 L3 instead of L4?
[01:44:28] <jdh> probably.
[01:44:38] <jdh> or L2?
[01:44:40] <alex4nder> ReadError: yah, that's the plan
[01:44:42] <alex4nder> going north
[01:45:40] <tjb1> Ill check it tomorrow if I have time
[01:46:24] <tjb1> My motion wait for arc_ok quit working and I was wondering if it was because I had the pin inverted…sure enough it was and after I removed the -not, the THC stopped working because it is no longer seeing arc_ok as true :)
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[01:52:14] <jdh> you could change line 90 to !arc_ok, but, that's kind of ugly
[01:53:31] <tjb1> not ugly if it works ;)
[01:54:22] <jdh> why did it change?
[01:55:21] <tjb1> I didnt have THC on the first time when I set up the M66
[01:59:23] <r00t4rd3d> you really need to come up with another abbreviation.
[02:02:11] <tjb1> Stop doing thc
[02:17:51] <tjb1> jdh: want to finish my wiring for me?
[02:19:44] <jdh> no thank yoyu.
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[02:25:15] <tjb1> Aww, its so easy though
[02:36:30] <Aero-Tec> I have been playing around with the tool table trying to get it to load
[02:36:57] <Aero-Tec> finally got it loaded
[02:37:37] <Aero-Tec> so thought I would play around and see if I could track down the problem of why it was not working
[02:38:01] <Aero-Tec> now it will not find tool 1
[02:38:31] <Aero-Tec> what a laugh
[02:38:59] <Aero-Tec> so what on earth is making the tool table a pain to work with??
[02:39:22] <Aero-Tec> is the tool table a problem area?
[02:39:57] <Aero-Tec> this tool table thing is driving me nuts
[02:40:38] <Aero-Tec> BTW I did get the tool table loaded and T 98 and T99 loaded
[02:40:55] <Aero-Tec> so there is no problem loading T99
[02:41:27] <Aero-Tec> get the table to load is a problem but T99 does work, or seems to
[02:47:26] <tjb1> go to sleep, try again tomorrow
[02:49:22] <Aero-Tec> that sounds heavenly
[02:50:17] <Aero-Tec> but I would sleep way better knowing why thins thing has been a problem and that I will not wake up and face this first thing in the morn
[02:51:02] <Aero-Tec> I have to be doing something wrong
[02:52:09] <Aero-Tec> I am using the text editor to work on the tool table
[02:52:25] <Aero-Tec> I did get the tool table to load one time
[02:52:48] <Aero-Tec> now tool 1 will not even load
[02:53:23] <Aero-Tec> before tool 1 and tool 8 loaded but tool 99 would not
[02:53:43] <tjb1> I have no clue what you are doing but are you using gedit?
[02:53:57] <Aero-Tec> yes
[02:54:03] <tjb1> unformatted text?
[02:55:18] <Aero-Tec> the real funny thing is the file is the same file I started with, before T 1,8 loaded and 99 did not now 1 will not even load
[02:55:33] <Aero-Tec> not sure what you mean by formated
[02:55:59] <Aero-Tec> or formatted I should say
[02:56:11] <tjb1> bottom right of the screen
[02:56:13] <Aero-Tec> whats the diff?
[02:56:16] <tjb1> should be a drop down list
[02:56:41] <tjb1> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Gedit_3-2-1.png/782px-Gedit_3-2-1.png
[02:56:48] <tjb1> where it says "HTML" in this one
[02:57:01] <Aero-Tec> so do I want unformatted?
[02:57:08] <tjb1> I would guess so
[02:57:35] <tjb1> I just know from working with java this past week, even macs textedit saves extra garbage in the file
[02:57:46] <tjb1> Were you on unformatted?
[02:58:41] <Aero-Tec> not sure, I did not see anything about formatting in your pix
[02:58:50] <Aero-Tec> did I missit?
[02:59:29] <Aero-Tec> unless your referring to the HTML thing
[02:59:52] <tjb1> Click where the HTML is, should bring a big list of formatting
[02:59:59] <Aero-Tec> I did load the old tool table file and started from there
[03:00:29] <Aero-Tec> but have made new text docs and copied and pasted and did tons of editing
[03:00:38] <Aero-Tec> will do
[03:00:55] <Aero-Tec> that makes sense the that is what it could be
[03:00:58] <tjb1> I dont even know if that changes the format of the document or just how it displays but thats all I can help
[03:01:23] <Aero-Tec> thanks for you help
[03:01:29] <Aero-Tec> will check into this
[03:01:29] <tjb1> Are you on 2.5 or above?
[03:01:38] <Aero-Tec> yes
[03:01:43] <tjb1> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/Gedit_3-2-1.png/782px-Gedit_3-2-1.png
[03:01:46] <tjb1> oops...
[03:01:50] <tjb1> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/tooledit.html
[03:01:55] <Aero-Tec> if I get the tool table working right I am off to bed
[03:02:04] <Aero-Tec> fresh start
[03:02:32] <tjb1> Try opening the table with tooledit and resaving it?
[03:09:43] <Connor> Anyone have a good source for enclosures ?
[03:09:55] <jdh> ebay
[03:09:57] <Tom_itx> what size?
[03:10:03] <Tom_itx> i got one off ebay for cheap
[03:10:09] <r00t4rd3d> what are you enclosing
[03:11:23] <Connor> Looking for one for my Motor Controller.. It's about 6.25" wide x 9" tall 4 to 5 " thick.
[03:11:38] <Connor> http://www.kbelectronics.com/manuals/kbcc_manual.pdf
[03:12:00] <jdh> probably needs vents/fan?
[03:12:15] <Connor> It has a HUGE heat sink built into it.
[03:12:31] <Connor> I see nothing in the document about needing a fan.
[03:12:44] <jdh> if it is in an enclosure, it will
[03:12:58] <r00t4rd3d> if it has a huge heatsink, it need ventilation.
[03:13:43] <r00t4rd3d> connor, why dont you just cut one yourself?
[03:14:02] <tjb1> Good luck getting one at a decent price on ebay…youll need to look for a while. Took me about 2 weeks I think
[03:14:24] <jdh> Connor: did you see my craigslist endmills?
[03:14:34] <r00t4rd3d> Goto walmart and get some large white cutting boards
[03:14:40] <r00t4rd3d> make your own box
[03:14:43] <tjb1> Connor: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=vynco&_sacat=0&_from=R40
[03:14:49] <tjb1> I have one of the ones near the bottom and its pretty nice
[03:14:54] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: Because then I would need a box-pan break to bend the sheet metal.
[03:15:06] <Connor> jdh: Yea. Nice find
[03:15:24] <r00t4rd3d> sheet metal?
[03:15:27] <jdh> I got my R8 3-jaw 4" chuck today
[03:15:45] <Connor> r00t4rd3d: For the enclosure.... ?
[03:18:55] <r00t4rd3d> I think I might be Jesus.
[03:19:17] <tjb1> more like the queen of android.
[03:19:19] <r00t4rd3d> I just turned water into kool-aid.
[03:20:20] <Aero-Tec> update
[03:20:27] <tjb1> get it?
[03:20:44] <Aero-Tec> for some reason T1 to 10 was missing
[03:21:12] <Aero-Tec> not sure how it happened, lack of sleep I would guess
[03:21:27] <Aero-Tec> that is why T1 would not load
[03:21:47] <tjb1> You should go to sleep and look at it in the morning
[03:21:57] <Aero-Tec> there looks to be a size limit
[03:22:25] <Aero-Tec> and even tho lines are remmed out they still seem to take up room
[03:22:38] <tjb1> Copy makerslide much? http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mickb/aluminum-extrusion-designed-for-makers?ref=category
[03:22:40] <Aero-Tec> or are read into EMC
[03:23:47] <Aero-Tec> a small tool table seems to work fine. and there was no formatting
[03:24:21] <Aero-Tec> and yes I am off to bed as it looks to be working nw
[03:24:25] <Aero-Tec> now
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[04:36:26] <redialtone> Is there anyone who has built firmware for the mesa 5i20 with a 7i44 and 7170 and 7i71 fast serial
[04:37:33] <r00t4rd3d> probably pcw_home
[04:38:08] <r00t4rd3d> kinda late for him to be around though
[04:38:54] <redialtone> ok thanks...
[04:38:57] <tjb1> 4 more damn programs and my extra credit is done...
[04:39:22] <jdh> and you can be a java expert!
[04:39:40] <tjb1> ah yes, expert level almost achieved
[04:39:48] <r00t4rd3d> http://scanlime.org/2012/11/hacking-my-vagina/
[04:39:51] <tjb1> Its so time consuming :(
[04:45:48] <r00t4rd3d> if you can get that site to load, its a pretty good write up content aside.
[04:46:27] <r00t4rd3d> seems she is all about Teledildonics
[04:48:09] <tjb1> a lot of work into that...
[04:49:43] <r00t4rd3d> good work too, looks great
[04:50:47] <r00t4rd3d> I was hoping for a video of it in action but oh well...
[04:51:46] <tjb1> I got two line lasers to add to my table :)
[04:52:23] <tjb1> blah blah…its never going to get done…blah blah
[04:52:27] <tjb1> Answered for you :)
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[05:00:29] <tjb1> I could EDM a new torch clamp but that will put the lasers too close to the plasma so im not sure where to mount them
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[05:07:55] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: Where should I mount them
[05:08:08] <r00t4rd3d> in front of your eyes
[05:09:15] <r00t4rd3d> hard to say with out actually seeing your machine
[05:09:52] <r00t4rd3d> ive never done it though either, just looked at others who have
[05:11:17] <r00t4rd3d> funny how the real nerds who hack phones are some of the most asshole fucks on the planet.
[05:13:41] <r00t4rd3d> Not even sure why they have a phone cause they certainly dont have any friends to call
[05:13:46] <tjb1> lol
[05:13:56] <tjb1> http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/530587_4469490131338_930172937_n.jpg
[05:14:19] <tjb1> Im thinking one on the side of the extrusion and the other on the bottom Y carriage and Ill just remember the offset...
[05:14:21] <r00t4rd3d> did you cut a tooth?
[05:14:41] <tjb1> That is this - http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/564051_4469257405520_1685339909_n.jpg
[05:17:38] <r00t4rd3d> oh, I thought you were making your mom a new set.
[05:18:12] <tjb1> Do you have any friends to call?
[05:18:25] <r00t4rd3d> lol
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[05:19:17] <r00t4rd3d> nope. I took the sim card out of my android phone and turned the radio off.
[05:19:34] <tjb1> Whoa we have a badass here
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[05:20:34] <r00t4rd3d> i did somehow burn up 275 minutes in less then a month on my other phone.
[05:21:00] <tjb1> wow 275 whole minutes
[05:21:26] <r00t4rd3d> I normally dont use more then 60ish
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[05:22:21] <tjb1> Lots of phone sex that month huh
[05:23:19] <r00t4rd3d> yeah. I was hoping she got some new teeth so I could understand her better but I guess thats a no go.
[05:24:58] <tjb1> Ah the attiny45 has the perfect amount of I/O :D
[05:25:03] <tjb1> 2 inputs, 3 outputs!
[05:25:10] <r00t4rd3d> to run the lasers?
[05:25:22] <tjb1> no, for the torch height
[05:25:27] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[05:26:25] <tjb1> Its going to be EPIC once it is done
[05:26:48] <r00t4rd3d> i think that sentence needs a couple if's and when's
[05:28:53] <r00t4rd3d> how you paying for all this shit?
[05:29:04] <r00t4rd3d> being a school boy and what not.
[05:30:50] <tjb1> Its already paid for
[05:31:59] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: This is how I pay for it… http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbqr9rrU771rue69io1_400.gif
[05:32:16] <r00t4rd3d> if thats meatspin im kicking your ass
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[05:33:01] <tjb1> nope
[05:35:46] <tjb1> Did you get it?
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[16:51:09] <Eran_> so, I've got a robotic arm (http://www.roboex.com/s7.html) and I'm want to use it for 3d printing, to connect it (somehow..) to EMC2. any help will be greatly appreciated!!
[16:51:55] <L84Supper> http://www.roboex.com/pdf/p10.pdf
[16:52:11] <L84Supper> not much info on the controller
[16:53:00] <Eran_> L84Supper: I've got a 300 page book :)
[16:53:11] <Eran_> L84Supper: what do you want to know?
[16:54:03] <Tom_itx> where did you get it?
[16:54:33] <Eran_> Tom_itx: at my university, they closed the robotic class
[16:54:40] <Tom_itx> cool
[16:54:42] <Eran_> Tom_itx: so I decided to use it
[16:54:53] <Tom_itx> you weren't able to get the pc in the picture?
[16:55:02] <Tom_itx> it probably has control software on it
[16:55:07] <Eran_> Tom_itx: there wasn't any
[16:55:29] <Tom_itx> then you need to find out what format the control talks and go that route imo
[16:55:37] <Tom_itx> since it appears to be working
[16:55:48] <Eran_> Tom_itx: ok
[16:55:59] <Eran_> Tom_itx: it's got a paralell cable, which I don't have on my laptop..
[16:56:00] <Tom_itx> unless you just want a project :D
[16:56:10] <Eran_> Tom_itx: I want to run it asap :)
[16:56:17] <Eran_> Tom_itx: no new project..
[16:56:18] <Tom_itx> you can find a pc with a parport i'm sure
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[16:56:27] <Eran_> Tom_itx: I can
[16:56:39] <Tom_itx> but you will need to find out what format etc it wants to see
[16:56:50] <Eran_> Tom_itx: let me check on the book
[16:57:44] <Tom_itx> i would start there and then maybe contact the mfg for more info
[16:58:04] <Tom_itx> whatever they tell you won't be cheap but you may gain some knowledge
[16:58:34] <Eran_> Tom_itx: It's communication with BASIC
[16:59:19] <pcw_home> Hmm, is it possible it has a serial port?
[16:59:26] <L84Supper> do they list the commands available?
[16:59:35] <L84Supper> yes, i noticed a serial
[16:59:42] <Eran_> yes, the command list available
[16:59:48] <Eran_> RS232
[16:59:52] <L84Supper> Serial (R5-232C), parallel (Centronics)
[16:59:54] <Tom_itx> you've got alot more info starting out than most do
[17:00:23] <Tom_itx> just don't bust a hole thru your wall or knock yourself out with it
[17:00:31] <L84Supper> you might be able to use it as is
[17:00:39] <Tom_itx> i would sure try
[17:00:48] <Tom_itx> since it has a learn mechanism
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[17:04:55] <L84Supper> Teaching and MDI (manual data input)
[17:06:20] <Eran_> L84Supper: so, using a manual data input, one can connect it to EMC2, right?
[17:06:33] <Eran_> so EMC2 will send the data to the control box?
[17:06:50] <L84Supper> Eran_: no, you won't need EMC at all for that
[17:07:12] <Tom_itx> you would likely just send a file to it
[17:07:19] <Tom_itx> once you figure out the format
[17:07:20] <Eran_> L84Supper: mmm...
[17:07:21] <Eran_> how?
[17:07:33] <L84Supper> it loks like you can just send manual commands over serial
[17:07:35] <Tom_itx> that's on your list of things to do
[17:08:18] <Eran_> let's say I want to 3d print something with it, how can I 'send' the gcode
[17:08:37] <Eran_> isn't it easier to use EMC2?
[17:08:58] <L84Supper> if it understands g-code, but it probably doesn't
[17:08:59] <Tom_itx> first of all it wasn't designed for that
[17:10:17] <Eran_> I know it doesn't understand gcode, but, EMC2 can read g-code, so I'm thinking that it could translate the gcode position to the robot arm one
[17:11:20] <L84Supper> but there's no function in EMC to send commands to your robot controller
[17:12:04] <L84Supper> if you used a controller with EMC support then yes you could input g-code and control the robot
[17:12:40] <L84Supper> but your controller has its own OS, application and protocol
[17:12:47] <Eran_> L84Supper: I see
[17:12:59] <L84Supper> so if you use its own controller EMC is not in the picture
[17:13:09] <Eran_> L84Supper: so, I'm on my own :)
[17:13:20] <L84Supper> we didn't know you had the controller when you first mentioned the robot
[17:13:58] <L84Supper> Eran_: yes, but you have a lot to work with. It looks like you have the programming guide for the controller.
[17:14:15] <Eran_> L84Supper: I do
[17:14:23] <Eran_> L84Supper: I'm not upset or something
[17:14:29] <Eran_> L84Supper: just trying to figure where to start from
[17:14:38] <Eran_> L84Supper: eventually, I want to 3d print with it
[17:14:47] <Eran_> L84Supper: clay
[17:15:06] <L84Supper> if you really want to use it for 3d printing then you have to decide between writing software to say take g-code and convert it to commands your controller understands
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[17:15:35] <Eran_> L84Supper: I would preffer on taking g-code and convert it
[17:15:36] <L84Supper> or replacing the controller with EMC and supported hardware
[17:15:41] <Eran_> prefer
[17:15:56] <Eran_> L84Supper: replacing hardware = expensive
[17:16:11] <L84Supper> software time is not?
[17:16:22] <L84Supper> it's up to you
[17:16:56] <Eran_> L84Supper: maybe there could be a software 'between' emc2 and the controller, so emc2 will send data and the software will translate it
[17:17:20] <Eran_> L84Supper: well, I've got time, not money
[17:17:38] <Eran_> 5 axis servo driver is expensive
[17:19:09] <L84Supper> maybe somebody has worked on a g-code to RV-M2 tool?
[17:19:38] <Eran_> dunno..
[17:19:41] <Eran_> will try to check
[17:20:08] <Tom_itx> research it well before you tear into it
[17:20:20] <Tom_itx> looks like a nice piece of equipment
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[17:21:29] <L84Supper> looks like there already is one
[17:21:45] <Eran_> L84Supper ?
[17:23:02] <L84Supper> somebody also worked with EMC and the movemaster earlier this year
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[17:25:25] <L84Supper> Eran_: google g-code and movemaster, the links are old
[17:25:41] <Eran_> L84Supper: checking
[17:25:50] <L84Supper> the comments are about a utility to do exactly what you need
[17:26:16] <Tom_itx> http://www.journalamme.org/papers_vol31_2/31271.pdf
[17:26:51] <L84Supper> http://claymore.engineer.gvsu.edu/~jackh/books/integrated/pdf/integratedbook.pdf
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[17:29:47] <Eran_> L84Supper what page?
[17:29:57] <Tom_itx> 290 something
[17:30:04] <Tom_itx> just closed it
[17:30:10] <DJ9DJ> all! ;)
[17:30:42] <L84Supper> starts around 286
[17:31:12] <Loetmichel> *splishsplash* ... nothing better than sittin in a HOT bathtub wit eucalytus oil when having a cold... *splishsplash*
[17:31:47] <jdh> except for maybe a warm bed, hot run, ukranian hookers.
[17:32:06] <L84Supper> looks like it wouldn't be too hard to work with
[17:32:18] <jdh> s/run/rum/
[17:32:20] <Tom_itx> nope
[17:32:45] <Tom_itx> you couldn't ask for much more than that right out of the box
[17:33:33] <L84Supper> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/italian/forum/30-cnc-machines/15795-robot?start=6 somebody here was going to replace the controller and run EMC
[17:34:09] <Tom_itx> seems like alot of work when you have a working controller
[17:34:27] <L84Supper> but he disappeared
[17:35:01] <Tom_itx> probably got his head stuck in a pdf
[17:35:07] <L84Supper> we had to piggyback on top of robot hardware to integrate inkjets
[17:35:15] <Eran_> L84Supper: I understand how to send commands to the controller
[17:35:28] <Eran_> L84Supper
[17:35:36] <Tom_itx> and now you have the command set
[17:35:45] <L84Supper> there was no realtime pass-through of encoder data or realtime position info
[17:36:11] <Eran_> L84Supper, Tom_itx: yes, I have. how do you think I can 'translate' a g-code to those commands?
[17:36:11] <L84Supper> most robots just update every millisecond or so with where it is at
[17:36:36] <Tom_itx> Eran_, i'm not sure why you would want to if it's a working machine
[17:36:50] <Tom_itx> and it has a learn pendant wired to it
[17:37:47] <Eran_> Tom_itx: to 3d print clay
[17:37:57] <L84Supper> Eran_: I actually prefer to hold the wrong end of a soldering iron or belt sand my nipples to writing code, but take a look at the motion commands listed in the manual, some are already very similar to g-code
[17:38:02] <Tom_itx> what cad software do you plan to use?
[17:38:35] <Eran_> Tom_itx: rhino/solidworks
[17:38:42] <Eran_> L84Supper: me too :)
[17:38:44] <Tom_itx> maybe they have a plugin for it
[17:38:57] <Eran_> Tom_itx: mm
[17:39:34] <Tom_itx> don't make it harder than it is
[17:39:49] <L84Supper> Eran_: are you going to carve clay or extrude clay?
[17:40:35] <Eran_> L84Supper, Tom_itx: extrude. I've build a 80x80x80cm clay printer, look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1LF14QhNyY
[17:43:08] <L84Supper> Eran_: I think I've seen some of your clay prints before
[17:43:40] <Eran_> L84Supper: http://www.3ders.org/articles/20120806-israeli-student-develops-largest-3d-porcelain-printer.html
[17:43:55] <L84Supper> yeah, that was it
[17:44:05] <DJ9DJ> wow, thats cool
[17:44:47] <Eran_> thx :)
[17:45:07] <Eran_> so now I want to 3d print with the robot arm!
[17:45:08] <Eran_> :)
[17:46:03] <L84Supper> I'm working on lots of materials like that
[17:46:29] <Eran_> L84Supper: ceramic?
[17:47:40] <L84Supper> ceramics as well as hybrids, polymers, resins, etc for electronics and additive manufacturing
[17:48:29] <Eran_> cool
[17:49:03] <L84Supper> inkjet, DLP and SLA only take you so far
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[17:50:23] <L84Supper> or melted plastic printers made from threaded rods :)
[17:51:28] <Eran_> :)
[17:51:59] <Eran_> L84Supper: what company?
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[17:52:33] <L84Supper> Eran_: whats your approximate print rate? (Liters/hour or similar)
[17:52:54] <Eran_> L84Supper: about one liter per hour or so
[17:54:40] <L84Supper> did it take much effort to work out the slump of the slurry?
[17:57:06] <Eran_> well, yes. I still got issues with filtering the clay
[17:57:12] <Eran_> sometimes the nozzle get clogs
[17:57:14] <L84Supper> we're working mostly on techniques for sub-micron features to expand MEMS to more than just silicon
[17:57:28] <L84Supper> yes, filter filter filter, same as inkjet
[17:57:32] <Eran_> and when I put a filter, it's helps but then it acts as a water-seperator
[17:58:12] <L84Supper> does it agglomerate in the lines as well, even if you filter the powder before blending?
[17:59:45] <Eran_> yes
[17:59:52] <L84Supper> yeah, thats the fun of working out the process, it sounds simple, just combine water and powder and pump it, but it's not quite that simple :)
[18:01:23] <Eran_> that's right :)
[18:01:33] <Eran_> L84Supper - are you from the US?
[18:01:55] <L84Supper> yes, but we are doing most of this in China
[18:02:43] <Eran_> L84Supper I see
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[18:03:58] <Eran_> L84Supper: the motors will work with this controller: http://www.geckodrive.com/geckodrive-brush-dc-drives.html
[18:04:01] <Eran_> ?
[18:04:06] <L84Supper> I have to run, but take a look at that manual
[18:04:06] <Eran_> (one motor...)
[18:04:10] <L84Supper> 20 SP 7 ; set speed
[18:04:10] <L84Supper> 30 MO 10, C ;move to position 10 with the hand closed
[18:04:10] <L84Supper> 40 MO 9, O ;move to position 9 with the hand opened
[18:04:10] <L84Supper> 50 TI 40 ;stop for 4 seconds
[18:04:47] <L84Supper> you might be able to translate from g-code without lots of work
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[18:05:15] <L84Supper> lots of start here, move there, then move there
[18:05:23] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[18:05:25] <L84Supper> similar to g-code
[18:05:40] <Eran_> L84Supper: ok, thank you!
[18:06:10] <IchGuckLive> Eran_: what cam are you using
[18:06:15] <L84Supper> Eran_: the g-codes that slic3r and skeinforge are pretty well documented
[18:06:29] <Eran_> IchGuckLive: solidworks, rhino
[18:06:34] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive: he's using a robot
[18:06:40] <IchGuckLive> Rhino cam 2.0
[18:06:51] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: ok
[18:06:52] <Eran_> L84Supper: so, you think I could translate the g-code to the robot commands
[18:07:19] <IchGuckLive> Rhino visual has a robot module
[18:07:25] <L84Supper> Eran_: take a look, I've seen the command list for 2 more minutes longer than you :)
[18:07:31] <IchGuckLive> you can download the adon on the rhino side
[18:07:42] <Eran_> L84Supper: ok :)
[18:07:45] <Eran_> IchGuckLive: which one?
[18:08:09] <IchGuckLive> whitch one what side
[18:08:13] <L84Supper> http://www.roboex.com/pdf/p10.pdf is his robot and controller
[18:08:15] <IchGuckLive> or cam
[18:09:01] <IchGuckLive> Rhino cam 1.0 does not support this
[18:09:13] <IchGuckLive> only visual
[18:10:27] <L84Supper> Eran_: take a look at the Mesa boards if you decide to swap hardware, the 7i48 has 6 channel servo
[18:10:36] <L84Supper> http://www.mesanet.com/
[18:11:00] <Eran_> L84Supper: looking
[18:11:32] <Eran_> L84Supper: have you used it?
[18:11:34] <L84Supper> http://www.mesanet.com/motioncardinfo.html servo drivers here
[18:12:06] <L84Supper> yes, I use them to control AC servos on similar machines
[18:13:02] <L84Supper> Eran_: you'll have to see what the robot uses for encoders
[18:13:21] <Eran_> L84Supper - I don't find the 7i48
[18:13:54] <L84Supper> http://www.mesanet.com/aiodaughter.html on this page
[18:14:05] <L84Supper> http://www.mesanet.com/pdf/motion/7i48man.pdf
[18:14:45] <L84Supper> thats just the servo interface, you'll need an anything IO FPGA card and motor drivers as well
[18:15:17] <L84Supper> http://www.mesanet.com/fpgacardinfo.html
[18:15:21] <Eran_> L84Supper: interface? Do I need a motor driver?
[18:15:43] <IchGuckLive> mitsubishi has also a pathcad that reads DXF abnd outputs the robot commands
[18:16:13] <L84Supper> PC Host ---> PCIe ----> FPGA -----> servo interface -----> servo driver
[18:16:16] <Eran_> IchGuckLive, L84Supper: brb
[18:16:50] <L84Supper> have to get back to work here myself
[18:18:43] <L84Supper> Eran_: several here can guide you with the Mesa boards, even the guy that makes them :)
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[18:30:32] <IchGuckLive> F1 world champion and youngest tripple champion Sebastian Vettel
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[18:50:46] <IchGuckLive> By have a nice working day
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[19:09:58] <Eran> L84Supper: I'm back..
[19:14:04] <Eran> seen L84Supper?
[19:14:13] <Eran> seen L84Supper
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[19:21:29] <L84Supper> Eran: yes?
[19:21:42] <Eran> L84Supper: nothing :)
[19:21:59] <Eran> L84Supper: trying to figure my next moves
[19:22:27] <Eran> L84Supper: don't want to buy any new hardware, but want to 'import' slic3r g-code to the robot
[19:25:06] <L84Supper> Eran: don't know of any util to do that
[19:26:17] <Eran> L84Supper: ok
[19:27:16] <icee> hey everyone
[19:27:20] <icee> what do people use for CAM?
[19:30:27] <Loetmichel> icee: grey matter between ears? ;-)
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[19:42:25] <icee> hehe
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[19:43:23] <icee> i have written sequences by hand, and written code to emit gcode for boring operations.. but i have a few different moderately complicated sheet metal parts i want to emit toolpaths for
[19:45:17] <jthornton> if you can draw them you can code them too :)
[19:45:59] <icee> heh
[19:46:04] <icee> sure, it's just annoying
[19:46:22] <icee> getting the cutter compensation on the right side of the lines etc ;)
[19:46:54] <jthornton> cutter comp is either right or left
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[19:47:57] <jthornton> have you tried sheetcam?
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[19:48:41] <icee> :) this looks very nice
[19:48:43] <icee> no i've not
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[20:09:57] <jarray52> I wanted to convert parts created in brlcad into g-code. To do this, I ran g-dxf to create a .dxf file for the part and then, I ran dxf2gcode. The resulting .ngc file is quite long (9453 lines) with many lines of the form G1 X 0.000 Y 0.000. Does anyone have any suggestions?
[20:11:32] <jarray52> Is the question above appropriate for this channel?
[20:11:39] <awallin> file your DXF and g-code as an issue to the dxf2gcode project
[20:11:53] <awallin> someone might have played with dxf2gcode here... not sure
[20:12:21] <awallin> pycam can import DXF, I don't know if it can create the g-code you want
[20:13:08] <jarray52> awallin: Based on your experience, how do dxf2gcode and pycam compare?
[20:13:42] <awallin> I don't know, sorry. dxf2gcode is strictly 2D or 2.5D. pycam has some 3D functions
[20:13:57] <awallin> does your DXF look OK when opened in e.g. librecad?
[20:16:15] <jarray52> awallin: Let me install librecad and try opening the dxf file.
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[20:31:44] <abetusk> archivist, ping
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[20:40:57] <jarray52> awallin: I installed librecad and opened my .dxf file. However, nothing appears. Do I need to do something to render/draw the object?
[20:41:48] <awallin> no, just pan and zoom and you should find it.. any other program you could use to verify that your DXF is ok? does inkscape open DXF?
[20:47:08] <jarray52> awallin: inkscape failed to load the file. There might be a problem with the file.
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[20:58:19] <tom3p> mevon, you can change the trajectory target on the fly, every mSec if you wanted to ?
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[21:01:51] <mevon> tom3p, yes its a matter of sending the command over the usb, but the set position is always updated and the arduino moves the axis as long as it havent reached the desired position
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[21:02:16] <tom3p> servo or stepper ( does it matter?)
[21:02:29] <tom3p> (err feedback or open loop... does it matter?)
[21:07:04] <icee> does dxf2gcode simplify the geometry at all? or could it just be that the dxf is excessively complicated garbage geometry and the resulta match?
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[21:07:51] <mevon> tom3p, I have steppers but linuxcnc treats them as servos
[21:08:31] <mevon> but I have implemented position feedback
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[21:08:49] <icee> aren't they servos then? :)
[21:09:05] <icee> i mean, there's a closed position loop, even if you're using stepper motors to do it
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[21:09:31] <mevon> for me servos are the cheapo little motors used on teleguided hobby planes to stear...
[21:10:01] <mrsun> for cnc people its big mofo motors that will make your hobby plane sink into the ground ;P
[21:10:10] * icee nods
[21:10:14] <tom3p> mevon: thx, it sounds very cool, is the code available, and/or is this a product you plan to sell?
[21:10:34] <mevon> well I started off the Arduino2EMC project
[21:10:45] <icee> mevon, how rapid is the position feedback?
[21:10:55] <mevon> I use cheapo Hbridge drives
[21:10:58] <jarray52> icee: It could be that .dxf is garbage geometry. brlcad can export to other formats. Is there a gcode generator that works well with another import format?
[21:11:26] <icee> really, for something like a stepper, all feedback gets you is detection of stalling/lost steps
[21:11:43] <mevon> feedback is done every 1ms but Im working to get it to 500us
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[21:12:09] <mevon> maybe add an indexer in emc to make it faster
[21:12:21] <icee> mevon: i'm still figuring out my own CAM stack/what to do.. most of the open source stuff is garbage
[21:13:18] <mevon> icee youre right its not always done in the best possible way
[21:13:32] <icee> er, that last one was to jarray52 :P
[21:13:58] <L84Supper> any chance that Arduino will change it's name to something better?
[21:14:21] <mevon> softduino?
[21:15:23] <jarray52> icee: Do you currently write your own gcode or use a commercial tool?
[21:15:27] <mevon> I was thinking the easyduino
[21:15:55] <jdh> avrfordummies?
[21:16:10] <mevon> tom3p I have a board Im working on that is based on the sanguino
[21:16:36] <icee> jarray52: I've written my own and i've used featurecam some.. which for small tools is overkill
[21:16:49] <icee> jarray52: what i'm currently looking at is pycam which looks decent
[21:17:12] <icee> all of these tools don't produce wonderful gcode like a human would
[21:17:29] <icee> the best you can hope for is a toolpath that's 'okay/good' instead of bad
[21:18:19] <tom3p> mevon, do you use the code at https://github.com/dewy721/EMC-2-Arduino?
[21:18:23] <L84Supper> look somebody has also started http://emc2arduino.wordpress.com/
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[21:19:18] <mevon> tom3p, yes version 0.7b heavily customized
[21:19:45] <mevon> its made for step/dir drives but I have Hbrigdes for my steppers
[21:20:01] <mevon> so I implemented the driver in the arduino
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[21:20:32] <tom3p> mevon: thx, i've just been adding and offset component to the position stream for the position command ( like 'net zpos-cmd2 offset.0.out => stepgen.2.position-cmd')
[21:21:08] <tom3p> this is to allow another classic 'servo operation ( the Z tracks an analog voltage, just like rc servo, but used for EDM )
[21:21:34] <icee> tom3p: so you close the EDM loop in software?
[21:22:04] <tom3p> the position that is desired is the position dictated by the gap voltage, that <<<--- closes the loop
[21:22:16] <icee> i plan to build an EDM machine eventually, and have had a bit of indecision about whether to close the height loop in software ot hardware
[21:23:26] <tom3p> its NOT position interpolated ( just closer/further, not lines/arcs )
[21:24:25] <tom3p> what i do is let linuxcnc 'pose' the tool, then move a single axis according to the process
[21:25:19] * icee nods
[21:25:21] <tom3p> i've played with the old sine/cosine tricks in the original HAL manuals to allow orbiting ( the example John Kasunich wrote )
[21:25:27] <icee> sure, plunge EDM or whatever
[21:25:48] <icee> what i really want is ... to control closed-loop the short term height
[21:26:00] <icee> and terminate the operation when i've reached a target depth
[21:26:26] <icee> i also want to..
[21:26:38] <icee> heh, my long-term plan is i want to make rifle barrels via plunge edm
[21:26:59] <tom3p> thats just a hal loop watching position, you let it move between STartPosn and ENdposition till either its stuck at STart ( bad or timedout at End ( good :)
[21:27:13] <icee> need to control depth + rotation of an appropriately shaped cutter (something that looks like, say, a bolt for polygonal rifling)
[21:27:47] <icee> it'd be slow, and energy inefficient, but it does it all in one operation, on full-hard stock
[21:28:14] <tom3p> 'rifling' grooves, gotcha
[21:29:33] <tom3p> hint, use thin disc electrodes, <2mm, else the dirt accumulates on sides and creates draft ( and guide at 2 ends,like good leadscrews)
[21:30:44] <icee> yah, i've thought about how to adequately guide.. i want to drill/rifle at the same time, so odds are it's some big 4 point linear motion assembly around the barrel
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[21:31:31] <tom3p> mevon: is the customization the direct driving of hbridge? or something to do with requested position?
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[21:33:00] <tom3p> icee: look at 'gundrilling' then, apply it to edm ( its a lot like hole drilling edm... hi pressure flush, constant guiding of tool )
[21:34:35] * icee nods
[21:34:40] <icee> yes, that's the plan
[21:34:48] <icee> i'm probably a couple of years from getting to this
[21:35:41] <mevon> tom3p, yes mainly it is for the stepping of the 2 Hbridge per motors needed
[21:35:52] <mevon> but I added position feedback
[21:36:23] <mevon> you could ay real time position feedback but Im thinking of using an indexer now
[21:36:47] <mevon> and put in a real time core in the arduino
[21:36:59] <mevon> something like chibi os
[21:37:13] <mevon> or uc os III
[21:37:13] <tom3p> mevon: thx, what is done when 'posnWanted' != 'posnSensed' ?
[21:37:40] <mevon> linuxcnc handles that for now
[21:38:27] <mevon> because in the arduino what happens is movement
[21:38:43] <mevon> as in it will move until it is reached
[21:40:03] <tom3p> ok, i understand a bit more "tom3p, I have steppers but linuxcnc treats them as servos"
[21:40:35] <mevon> Im sry my linuxcnc jitsu is really weak
[21:41:13] <tom3p> :) what do you mean by 'indexer' ?
[21:42:01] <mevon> well how I implemented it now is everytime I step,I send a position feedback
[21:42:44] <mevon> I need to convert into distances the number of steps, format a string, etc. and send over usb
[21:43:13] <mevon> I want to implement a new signal, or msg, thatd indicate an axis stepping
[21:43:28] <mevon> like an axis encoder or indexer
[21:43:39] <mevon> would be more efficient
[21:43:52] <mevon> process wise
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[21:46:05] <mevon> also adding a realtime os would be better in all ways
[21:46:21] <mevon> now the arduino is doing the job but
[21:47:04] <mevon> the speed I move is the fastest the loops can go
[21:47:44] <mevon> Id like to change that so I can have timed jobs and somekind of QoS
[21:48:06] <mevon> ans change the velocity on the fly too
[21:49:31] <tom3p> understood about arduino loop time limits, i just change the linuxcnc position by a single minimum command unit ( fanuc speek )
[21:49:32] <tom3p> i dont get near velocity or acc limits due to the 'speed' of edm
[21:49:37] <mevon> im looking into the freakduino seems a good prospect
[21:49:53] <tom3p> saw that ( an rtos for arduino )
[21:50:47] <mevon> tom3p, Ive been lookin to changethat increment units to, how have you done it?
[21:51:42] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:51:51] <mevon> with the offset you mentionnend earlier?
[21:51:55] <mevon> DJ gn
[21:52:29] <tom3p> the idea is ... wait till the the process changes from 'donothing' to 'dosomething', then add or subtract a single unit of measure to the value fed to stepgen.N.position-cmd
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[21:53:05] <mevon> i dont use stepgen :(
[21:53:18] <mevon> i think Im str8 in the motmod
[21:53:42] <tom3p> the single unit of measure is up to you & the mechanics of ytour system ( you may have a nice step size or encoder feedback unit, you may have .000876543 mm units )
[21:54:03] <tom3p> ok, its just what i could hack and get to work
[21:54:20] <mevon> i started off the axis simulation
[21:54:36] <tom3p> (and yes i use the offset component )
[21:55:46] <mevon> thing is ive only tested off the manual continuous mode now
[21:56:22] <mevon> and when I hold the + or - down, after a while I get a growing f-error
[21:56:55] <mevon> but I need to tweak that too
[21:57:13] <Aero-Tec> o300 repeat [#244]
[21:57:27] <Aero-Tec> would that be a correct call?
[21:57:54] <tom3p> mevon: the ferror is avoided my way, which may not suit you. its avoided because linuxcnc is told a new position is wanted
[21:58:10] <Aero-Tec> would it use the value stored in variable 244?
[21:58:49] <Aero-Tec> I tried o300 repeat #244
[21:59:28] <Aero-Tec> but it complained about no bracket
[22:00:08] <Aero-Tec> thought you did not need one it there was no math and was a variable
[22:00:59] <tom3p> Aero-Tec: they used brackets even with literals in the examples at point 4 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html
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[22:02:08] <tom3p> theres always the 'right way' and then there's what works :) wether the 2 are similar , i dunno
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[22:03:25] <tom3p> mevon: i'll try to clean up and example of the offset comp trick if you like, expect a few days delay tho
[22:04:13] <tom3p> ( i used to just loosen the 'in-position limit' to get around the ferrors )
[22:05:25] <Aero-Tec> when the have brackets used with variable there is always a equation involved, other wise I see just the variable
[22:05:34] <Aero-Tec> they
[22:06:28] <Aero-Tec> so when calling a sub and you want to pass a variable do you still use brackets?
[22:06:58] <Aero-Tec> the examples all use number in brackets
[22:07:53] <Aero-Tec> o200 call [1] [2] [3]
[22:08:02] <Aero-Tec> o200 call [1] [2] [#244]
[22:08:17] <Aero-Tec> not o200 call [1] [2] #244
[22:08:40] <Aero-Tec> just wanting to make sure I have it right
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[22:11:09] <tom3p> only the code will tell you the rule.
[22:11:10] <tom3p> and i see that even a literal (eg [1]) has brackets, so i'd guess container/delimiter is needed for the passed param,
[22:14:02] <Aero-Tec> thanks
[22:18:03] <tom3p> oing back to the usb emc2, i see it as very interesting, but know that args about the realtime nature of usb communication will raise hackles.
[22:18:06] <tom3p> i'd doubt, 2 rtos's (linuxcnc and chibi) could sync, but usb motion maybe a good tool for some applications where speed and position are not critical
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[22:34:59] <zekitest> hellow i just bough a CNC Desktop machine, How can i tell that the computer (Linuxcnc) is recognizing it?
[22:35:26] <zekitest> if someone can help me i will really apreciate it
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[22:39:15] <zekitest> Is someone here?
[22:43:45] <jdh> where?
[22:43:49] <pcw_home> Nope Sunday supper time for most Americans and midnightish for Europe
[22:45:48] <pcw_home> If you have a simple step/dir driven hardware, there's not much for LinuxCNC to recognize
[22:45:50] <zekitest> In this chat
[22:46:20] <zekitest> I have a simple machine whcich i bough from amazon
[22:46:38] <pcw_home> what is its interface to the PC?
[22:46:40] <zekitest> Is call Orange desktop CNC
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[22:48:05] <zekitest> Paralell port
[22:48:08] <tom3p> its a paralel port stepper system
[22:48:47] <pcw_home> So Stepconf is your friend (and the Orange CNC parallel port pinout)
[22:48:55] <zekitest> yeah I connectedthe machine to the PC through parallel port
[22:49:27] <pcw_home> maybe Orange CNC supplies a config file set?
[22:50:01] <zekitest> Hey guys I am kind a newbie so I am not rally understanding the techncal terms, and yes to that orange guys supplied us with a config file and I already run it
[22:50:09] <tom3p> so, theres a bit to be done. you have to connect the orange to the parallel port and confirm your configuration works enough to manipulate the correct pins
[22:50:19] <zekitest> it works but not sure if the computer recognises the machine
[22:50:26] <tom3p> lights out at lib:) best o luck
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[22:50:59] <pcw_home> the test is if it can move the machine (and sense limit switches if any)
[22:52:33] <zekitest> where is this test? LOoks like machine is not moving and I am trying to figure out if there is an error with my connection and tha the machine is not being recognised
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[22:53:27] <zekitest> I am sure that the power and the motor connections are correct but I am suspecting there might bea problem with the paallel connection on the main board
[22:53:49] <pcw_home> Is it a motherboard parallel port?
[22:54:08] <zekitest> at this point first I have to make sure and understand if the computer can see the machine
[22:55:09] <zekitest> I have 3 mother boards on each one I habe MOTOR, POWER and PARALEL ins, so on each board I have 3 diffeent connections
[22:55:32] <zekitest> i had instructions and fallowed the cart for power and motor connection
[22:55:38] <zekitest> and i am sureits correct
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[22:56:53] <pcw_home> When I said motherboard I meant PC motherboard
[22:57:06] <zekitest> ohh srry
[22:57:13] <zekitest> yes
[22:57:35] <zekitest> I have a parallel port on my old pc and that where I am connecting the machine
[22:59:24] <zekitest> I was wonderng if there is a way to know if the machine is recognised maybe with a multi meter
[22:59:44] <zekitest> to see if the connections are correct
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[23:00:37] <pcw_home> if they supply a complete kit that plugs into a parallel port and you have got LinuxCNC installed
[23:00:39] <pcw_home> it should run but there are a couple of setup items that need to be right
[23:00:41] <pcw_home> 1. If the manufacturer supplied .ini and .hal files(and these are installed in the right place) you should be correct parallel port pinout wise
[23:00:42] <pcw_home> 2. You need to make sure your parallel port is enabled in the BIOS and that its address matches the one in the supplied .ini file
[23:01:49] <zekitest> Hmmmm so config file does not help with that?? do I have to do this manually??
[23:02:31] <pcw_home> I would , to avoid breaking their supplied files
[23:02:34] <zekitest> I actually connected the parallel pinouts myself looking at a map thats why I have daubts
[23:02:59] <zekitest> doubts
[23:03:24] <pcw_home> Well the other option is to use stepconf and ignore their supplied files
[23:04:40] <pcw_home> but in any case you first need to make sure the parallel port is enabled and find out where it is (MB ports are usually at 0x378 but this is not guaranteed)
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[23:06:02] <zekitest> yes that sounds lik the first step at this point can you guide me to find where I can cekc if the parallel port is enabled?
[23:06:30] <pcw_home> Usually a BIOs option for MB ports
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[23:10:21] <pcw_home> You could also just run stepconf and try the likely addresses (using 'Test this axis')
[23:11:00] <pcw_home> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config/stepconf.html#
[23:11:27] <zekitest> perfect i will do thats thank you very much
[23:12:13] <pcw_home> welcome. now time for supper!
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[23:12:50] <zekitest> Bonn appetite!
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