#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-10-29

[00:00:14] <tjb1> As soon as snow stops, half the interstate is under construction
[00:03:01] <tjb1> I dunno, arm of hurricane is already here and its just a slow rain...
[00:03:06] <tjb1> Frankenstorm my ass
[00:06:52] <jdh> looks like it won't realy be there until tuesday morning
[00:08:23] <jdh> and only TS strength then
[00:08:52] <tjb1> Anyone know what cnc4pc is on ebay?
[00:09:37] <jdh> does he sell on ebay?
[00:09:55] <tjb1> Ive seen the C10 board on ebay before
[00:09:58] <tjb1> I cant find it now
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[00:10:50] <tjb1> Actually lost the auction but ebay wont show me anything older than 30 days >:(
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[00:12:39] <ReadError> i need to order some metric drill bits
[00:12:47] <ReadError> things impossible to find in hardware stores
[00:12:53] <ReadError> but i hope i can append it to this mcmaster order
[00:13:43] <tjb1> I <3 mcmaster
[00:17:01] <ReadError> yea
[00:17:10] <ReadError> plus nextday arrival is tehsweet
[00:17:22] <ReadError> i could pick stuff up at willcall at lunch
[00:17:26] <ReadError> but dont feel like driving
[00:17:31] <ReadError> and the shipping is super affordable
[00:17:47] <ReadError> even some 24x24" sheets of g10
[00:17:50] <ReadError> only 9$
[00:19:12] <tjb1> Takes them 2 days for me and I am too far to go pick it up
[00:19:48] <tjb1> If mcmaster was here, bye bye fastenal, lowes, and all local hardware stores
[00:20:48] <ReadError> yea
[00:20:54] <ReadError> they are pretty nice on the phone
[00:21:04] <ReadError> so hopefully i can call later tonight and have drill bits appended
[00:22:22] <ReadError> tjb1, how accurate is that rack and pinion system?
[00:22:29] <ReadError> no backlash really?
[00:22:32] <tjb1> nope
[00:22:46] <tjb1> I need to work on the slaved acis
[00:22:59] <ReadError> i was going to build a router
[00:23:02] <tjb1> axis…its not engaging rack in the same position the other axis motor is
[00:23:05] <ReadError> seemed like i might want to implement that in it
[00:25:37] <tjb1> Yeah Ahren released new stuff...
[00:25:43] <tjb1> Wish I woulda known
[00:25:48] <ReadError> which stuff?
[00:25:58] <tjb1> New rack and pinion drives
[00:26:21] <tjb1> Pivot bolt now has needle bearings and I think the drive gear has needle bearings too…plus a new tensioning system
[00:26:37] <ReadError> i really would like a modular table
[00:26:45] <ReadError> where i can swap out the cutting implement
[00:26:54] <ReadError> laser/router
[00:27:24] <tjb1> Im gonna draw up the router mounts for mine this week
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[00:28:27] <ReadError> any idea how much a laser system would cost?
[00:28:33] <ReadError> optics/tube/powersupply
[00:28:35] <tjb1> Not a clue
[00:28:44] <ReadError> ive heard around 600
[00:28:53] <tjb1> I was going to look into it but I think mine would have too much vibration to use
[00:28:59] <ReadError> they have that kickstarter from the buildyourowncnc.com site
[00:29:01] <tjb1> Unless the tube was mounted right on the Z
[00:29:02] <ReadError> for 1500
[00:29:13] <ReadError> looks pretty big too
[00:30:11] <tjb1> got a link?
[00:30:33] <ReadError> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1427848145/build-your-own-laser-cutter?ref=live
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[00:32:13] <tjb1> Just made out of MDF?
[00:32:15] <ReadError> so im using 3-in-1 as cutting oil
[00:32:20] <ReadError> eventually i need to clean these parts
[00:32:25] <ReadError> should i just use a bucket of gas ?
[00:32:34] <ReadError> i been using 91% isopropyl
[00:33:11] <tjb1> No clue
[00:33:14] <tjb1> parts cleaner?
[00:33:26] <ReadError> true i kinda want to get some 80/20 and make something neat with that
[00:33:39] <tjb1> Why would you buy that kit?
[00:33:40] <ReadError> did you see that printer they have on that automated technologies site?
[00:33:52] <ReadError> 429 for frame and motors
[00:33:54] <ReadError> not bad
[00:34:05] <tjb1> is it the ord hadron?
[00:34:14] <ReadError> not sure its like blue and silver ;)
[00:34:22] <ReadError> i would like you but im cutting and dont want to spike my latency
[00:34:27] <ReadError> link*
[00:34:37] <tjb1> Does it use makerslide?
[00:35:47] <ReadError> not sure
[00:35:52] <ReadError> details are pretty sparse
[00:35:54] <tjb1> Yep thats the hadron
[00:37:05] <tjb1> im going to build one of those
[00:37:36] <ReadError> well shoot for 429
[00:37:41] <ReadError> its not an incredibly bad deal
[00:37:50] <ReadError> considering the motors all the hardware
[00:37:55] <tjb1> Still going to have $250-300 in electronics and extruder
[00:37:59] <ReadError> it looks like the parts are all aluminum
[00:38:02] <ReadError> like bent
[00:38:05] <ReadError> not printed
[00:38:10] <ReadError> i couldnt quite tell
[00:38:21] <tjb1> Yes they are laser cut aluminum
[00:38:22] <tjb1> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtxUccuTZxMzdElyUDlXWi1hR05XS3pILW1iMUlucVE#gid=0
[00:38:26] <tjb1> Take a look at that if you can
[00:40:49] <ReadError> how much is that?
[00:40:55] <ReadError> lots of prices missing
[00:41:05] <tjb1> total is bottom left
[00:41:09] <tjb1> im still working on it
[00:41:20] <tjb1> bottom right sorry
[00:41:56] <ReadError> well i mean alot of the buildlog stuff is missing
[00:42:05] <tjb1> i cant find any of it on buildlog
[00:42:14] <ReadError> well 429 isnt *that* bad
[00:42:35] <tjb1> we were going to custom make all the buildlog stuff
[00:43:05] <tjb1> but its looking like it wont even be worth the effort when you can buy all of it for $429
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[00:46:29] <ReadError> if you where doing a decent sized run it would be worth it
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[00:55:19] <tjb1> Not gonna happen
[00:55:23] <tjb1> Probably just gonna buy that kit
[00:59:38] <tjb1> That doesnt come with a heated bed either...
[01:02:05] <tjb1> ReadError: Be careful, it cost more to order from Auto Tech on ebay than it does the website...
[01:02:17] <ReadError> ya i use the site
[01:02:24] <ReadError> its where i got my steppers and g540 from
[01:02:26] <ReadError> and psu
[01:02:35] <ReadError> and 5 motors i cant use ;)
[01:02:49] <ReadError> so if you need 5 nema17 w/ 1/4" shafts new
[01:02:53] <ReadError> holla at your boy.
[01:03:15] <tjb1> What do you think of the qu-bd extruder?
[01:03:44] <ReadError> i got some jheads
[01:05:14] <r00t4rd3d> "Subway CLOSED as storm is set to be the biggest EVER to hit United States"
[01:05:21] <r00t4rd3d> shit, where am I going to eat?
[01:05:34] <jdh> waffle house
[01:05:52] <tjb1> Jhead better than a qu?
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[01:09:14] <ReadError> duno
[01:09:28] <ReadError> i just liked the design tbh
[01:09:32] <ReadError> looks clean
[01:11:05] <tjb1> qu-bd looks better than the j head
[01:11:12] <tjb1> but im off to bed, night all
[01:11:31] <ReadError> nini
[01:11:50] <r00t4rd3d> pu
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[01:16:01] <ReadError> hurricane gonna rape you r00t4rd3d ?
[01:16:03] <ReadError> or you ok?
[01:16:27] <r00t4rd3d> the eye is projected to pass directly over my county
[01:16:45] <r00t4rd3d> but im way inland
[01:16:59] <jdh> it's kind of cool when it does, if the eye wall is still stable. It usually falls apart inland though
[01:17:24] <ReadError> atleast you get work off
[01:22:49] <r00t4rd3d> I work for myself so not really
[01:24:30] <r00t4rd3d> if I dont have any construction work to do there is cnc jobs piling up.
[01:24:50] <ReadError> wow goin big time i see
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[01:26:28] <r00t4rd3d> I wouldnt call it big time, my machine is only 12"x36" :D
[01:30:56] <r00t4rd3d> I stay busy just making paradise boxes though
[01:32:51] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: those boxes I asked about?
[01:33:14] <r00t4rd3d> the vectric ones
[01:33:21] <Jymmm> how much?
[01:33:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/projects/march-2011/paradise-box.htm
[01:33:50] <r00t4rd3d> matters
[01:34:01] <r00t4rd3d> what kinda wood, how much engraving, etc
[01:34:11] <r00t4rd3d> 75-125 normally
[01:34:12] <jdh> size of knob
[01:34:27] <Jymmm> ah
[01:34:30] <Jymmm> cool
[01:35:32] <r00t4rd3d> this is the last one I did : http://imgur.com/a/IApNj
[01:35:49] <r00t4rd3d> Im making another now
[01:36:15] <mutilator> how much is vcarve pro?
[01:36:21] <jdh> is the top 3/4"?
[01:36:22] <mutilator> was like $500 or something wasnt it
[01:36:38] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, all 3/4
[01:36:40] <mutilator> oh vectric makes it
[01:36:42] <mutilator> $600 damn
[01:37:03] <r00t4rd3d> I use Aspire
[01:37:09] <r00t4rd3d> $1995
[01:37:12] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d:3/4" x 6 or 8" ?
[01:37:14] <mutilator> o_O
[01:37:37] <mutilator> thats a bit of change eh
[01:37:54] <Jymmm> mutilator: that's kinda cheap actually.
[01:37:58] <jdh> after I carved that test piece, I was reaching for a can of stain and knocked a bottle of lemon oil off the shelf. It cracked and went all over the floor. Whole garage smells overpoweringly of lemon oil
[01:38:05] <r00t4rd3d> Jymmm, that one I linked to is a special size. Normally they are like 13x8
[01:38:17] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: ah
[01:39:11] <jdh> r00t: are you using a 60-degree?
[01:39:25] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
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[01:39:46] <r00t4rd3d> 60degree 7/16 diameter
[01:39:46] <jdh> switching to 90 for the others?
[01:40:16] <r00t4rd3d> i use the 60 vbit and 1/8 endmill for all
[01:40:19] <jdh> my 90 made the deep spots look weird
[01:46:08] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/2008251/21726/cmt-85800111-60-degree-laser-point-router-bit-14sh-12d-716cl.aspx
[01:46:16] <r00t4rd3d> Im gonna get one of those next.
[01:46:32] <r00t4rd3d> right now i just use a 20 dollar cheapo
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[01:51:41] <ReadError> lolwut
[01:51:48] <ReadError> you paid 1995 for software?
[01:51:51] <ReadError> you must be rich
[01:52:42] <Tom_itx> don't kid yourself
[01:52:57] <r00t4rd3d> ARRRRR MATEY
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[03:46:48] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/q2vZK.jpg
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[05:32:43] <r00t4rd3d> WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE !
[05:33:33] <r00t4rd3d> or at least thats what every news site wants me to believe.
[05:34:06] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: YOU WILL DIE! cause yu can't afford to live that long
[05:35:02] <r00t4rd3d> i hope the jersey shore gets wiped out and all its people killed violently.
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[07:43:15] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:10:50] <tjb1> This storm better be massive
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[08:32:17] <Jymmm> tjb1: why, you have some life insurance policies to cash in on?
[08:32:28] <tjb1> Yeah ;)
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[08:35:26] <Jymmm> tjb1: as long as I get my 10%, or I'll have a tj policy to cash in
[08:35:56] <tjb1> Come find me if you can handle the frankenstorm
[08:37:01] <archivist> the wind speeds being talked about are so low!
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[08:43:53] <Jymmm> I just hope it's minimal damage.
[08:48:18] <Jymmm> The riots after the Giants WON tonight, is enough damage.
[08:48:48] <tjb1> People need shot.
[08:49:23] <Jymmm> Proof that natural selection does NOT work.
[08:49:37] <tjb1> Laws dont allow natural selection any more
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[08:51:12] <tjb1> They protect the idiots
[08:53:22] <Jymmm> I need to frame my license. Waited far to long to get it to toss in a drawer.
[08:53:28] <tjb1> Id shoot them if they rolled over my car
[08:54:08] <tjb1> better yet, go find their car and shoot steel jacketed bullet through the engine block
[08:54:27] <Jymmm> tjb1: you sure you're not the one that STARTED the riots?
[08:54:37] <tjb1> Im over in PA bud :)
[08:55:16] <Jymmm> tjb1: and wtf do you think this is, some damn rambo/007/guvinator movie?
[08:55:30] <tjb1> Eh?
[08:55:44] <Jymmm> shooting engine blocks, etc
[08:56:16] <tjb1> If they rolled my car over…damn right
[08:56:33] <Jymmm> tjb1: yeah yeah, blah blah blah
[08:56:39] <tjb1> >:(
[08:56:52] <tjb1> Well you arent allowed to shoot them...
[08:59:16] <tjb1> Jymmm: Im going to come roll over your car
[08:59:58] <Jymmm> go ahead, I have insurance.
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[09:25:52] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwLHdBTQ7s&feature=watch-vrec
[09:28:26] <tjb1> brave stupid man...
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[09:35:23] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_686662&feature=iv&src_vid=pX1cO2XhMrg&v=oF0pMILT7_Y
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[09:53:29] <tjb1> WOwzerz
[09:53:30] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Im5XVonV9Q&feature=related
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[10:02:50] <archivist> someone has too much free time
[10:03:13] <tjb1> archivist: watch this one
[10:03:13] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sguthWUDhzg&feature=related
[10:16:44] <hdokes|werkin> I've got just one comment... I've NEVER seen any of these lego components on the store shelf!
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[10:18:05] <tjb1> hdokes: Thats because you have to build them
[10:18:14] <tjb1> Those little computers are like $100 each or more...
[10:18:29] <tjb1> Ive looked into getting one but they use too many costly parts, each sensor is ~$50
[10:19:12] <tjb1> Here is the main kit - http://mindstorms.lego.com/en-us/Products/default.aspx then you can buy individual motors/pieces/sensors/brains
[10:20:00] <tjb1> Yeah the "brain" is $147
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[12:15:53] <r00t4rd3d> is your name really homer dokes?
[12:20:32] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, you upgrading to a CNC Lego Machine?
[12:20:54] <r00t4rd3d> with a plastic cutter
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[12:31:08] <roh> hi there
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[13:47:39] <r00t4rd3d> The Weather Channel website: "Terrifying Megastorm Cripples East Coast"
[13:47:42] <r00t4rd3d> http://new.livestream.com/breakinglivenowdirect/sandycam
[13:51:24] <r00t4rd3d> I hope it upends a bunch of trees so I can go burl hunting in all the exposed root systems.
[13:52:30] <r00t4rd3d> thats where the sweet burls hide.
[13:55:17] <jdh> wonder how they define 'east coast'
[13:55:38] <r00t4rd3d> florida to maine
[13:55:54] <jdh> I'm in NC, no big deal here.
[13:55:58] <jdh> nor anywhere south.
[13:56:15] <r00t4rd3d> well you are probably gonna die too
[13:56:31] <r00t4rd3d> according to the news and weather sites
[13:56:46] <jdh> maybe I shouldn't be at work then.
[13:57:10] <jdh> Sandy could be the largest storm ever to hit the United States, according to NOAA's website.
[13:57:15] <jdh> I don't buy that.
[13:57:16] <r00t4rd3d> go get a shot gun and run around shirtless screaming, THE WORLD IS COMING TO AN END!
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[13:59:19] <jdh> maybe I'll do that when I get home.
[13:59:41] <r00t4rd3d> its projected to pass right over me :D
[13:59:47] <r00t4rd3d> the eye
[14:00:53] <r00t4rd3d> after it hits the coast it will probably be reduced to a sprinkle though
[14:02:09] <jdh> it will just get ragged
[14:03:12] <jdh> when that happens here, it gets really quiet, wind stops completely, nice and clear, then the wind starts up again quickly blowing in the opposite direction
[14:03:31] <jdh> all taht crap that got blown one way now goes the other.
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[14:06:54] <r00t4rd3d> watching the weather channel is comical
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[14:07:34] <archivist> the press blow up the storm more than the weather does
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[14:08:32] <jdh> http://www.surfchex.com/ Live beach cam here.
[14:10:47] <r00t4rd3d> Im really hoping the jersey shore gets annihilated.
[14:10:54] <jdh> it was pretty nasty here this weekend, but the storm was hundreds of miles away.
[14:11:15] <jdh> NY will get the north-east quadrant which is usually the worst for winds and storm surge
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[14:26:19] <mazafaka> http://a.d-cd.net/7765eau-960.jpg and the only thing which stops from airbrushing with my buddy is the wall http://a.d-cd.net/7f65eau-960.jpg which I will finishing several days.
[14:30:15] <jdh> what is it?
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[14:37:03] <mazafaka> jdh: it's a garage in the block of garages
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[16:29:14] <tjb1> Wow this storm is so bad ;)
[16:29:39] <tjb1> I bet Kentucky is confused…snow in october
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[16:33:07] <jon1012> hi
[16:33:24] <cradek> hey
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[17:22:11] <tjb1> the rain! it burns!
[17:26:28] <mazafaka> tjb1: what do you think of http://a.d-cd.net/dcbdeau-960.jpg is it too bad, or it's ok for the doors to be like rad doors a few winter month?
[17:27:09] <tjb1> ??
[17:27:52] <mazafaka> The garage doors. Although everything will look better with the snow all around... I would make it better but it's cold.
[17:28:09] <Jymmm> Sandy Flooding http://i49.tinypic.com/357ra6f.jpg
[17:28:49] <tjb1> What am I looking at mazafaka
[17:28:56] <tjb1> Thats one hell of a door seal Jymmm
[17:29:16] <Jymmm> I dont think so, look at the floor
[17:29:34] <mazafaka> Jymmm: do you suffer from flooding? How brave you are...
[17:30:02] <Jymmm> mazafaka: I'm west coast
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[17:30:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:30:30] <tjb1> Jymmm: That isnt the shine on the tiles?
[17:31:13] <Jymmm> tjb1: Sure, of the water shimmering
[17:31:23] <tjb1> What is the line?
[17:32:08] <IchGuckLive> the storm live -> http://www.ustream.tv/new
[17:33:19] <tjb1> Live from Williamsport, PA - http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/65349_4519805749197_104189431_n.jpg
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[17:33:28] <tjb1> A wet sidewalk :)
[17:33:45] <IchGuckLive> nice bugnet
[17:34:09] <IchGuckLive> i got snow here
[17:34:31] <tjb1> Kentucky is getting snow…they almost never get snow :)
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[17:34:46] <tjb1> Poor confused people, last time I was there they cancelled school for .5" snow
[17:35:14] <IchGuckLive> as the US Soldiers here first time snow USAFB
[17:35:28] <IchGuckLive> some are not familar with tat
[17:35:52] <jdh> it snowed here 2 or 3 years ago. It was ok.
[17:36:02] <archivist> we get weather all the year round here, dunno what all the fuss is about
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[17:40:00] <TekniQue> 17:29:17 < Jymmm> I dont think so, look at the floor
[17:40:10] <TekniQue> floor being wet is one thing
[17:40:22] <r00t4rd3d> My latest doings: http://imgur.com/a/qv2gc
[17:40:28] <TekniQue> the fact that there isn't a torrent of water flowing in means the seal is pretty good
[17:41:00] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: the deer is whorse
[17:41:04] <TekniQue> r00t4rd3d: how do you colour the pockets?
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[17:41:30] <IchGuckLive> TekniQue: color all polish the high
[17:41:32] <r00t4rd3d> whorse?
[17:41:37] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: you're edge gluing planks together?
[17:41:41] <r00t4rd3d> no
[17:41:44] <r00t4rd3d> pocketing them
[17:41:59] <Jymmm> biscutes?
[17:42:03] <r00t4rd3d> pockets
[17:42:09] <r00t4rd3d> and glue
[17:42:13] <Jymmm> ah
[17:44:04] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTSQPkBzt2k&feature=related
[17:44:07] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: from a picture or icon
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[17:45:53] <r00t4rd3d> was a dxf i found
[17:46:00] <r00t4rd3d> here is a better shot of my inside fish: http://i.imgur.com/k0yTQ.jpg
[17:46:54] <jdh> looks like the left side is edge glued 3" widths or something?
[17:47:20] <IchGuckLive> http://www.clker.com/clipart-26416.html nice icons
[17:48:14] <r00t4rd3d> jdh, the red oak boards are seemed together
[17:48:21] <r00t4rd3d> not by me though
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[17:50:34] <r00t4rd3d> its how they come from lowes, rarely can you find a whole 12" wide section there
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[18:09:00] <IchGuckLive> CBS a 50" flat in the back of the truck
[18:10:15] <IchGuckLive> ah first flood in NJ
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[18:13:55] <r00t4rd3d> If I lose my internet i am going to be pissed
[18:14:40] <IchGuckLive> dont mind we stay B)
[18:15:37] <IchGuckLive> 3hr till impact
[18:16:03] <IchGuckLive> so faster storm lower tide
[18:16:04] <jdh> 3 hrs? I thought it was more like 12
[18:16:17] <IchGuckLive> pickt up speed
[18:20:03] <IchGuckLive> jeah put all the weatherladies in the storm !
[18:20:45] <IchGuckLive> 85pounds at 50mph wind is a nice view
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[18:30:53] <IchGuckLive> obama live
[18:31:41] <jdh> shouldn't he be out campaigning?
[18:37:22] <andypugh> Any clever schemes to pack 30 bits of data (3 x 10 bit samples) into as few 8-bit bytes as possible such that it is possible to revover synch.
[18:37:26] <andypugh> (recover)
[18:37:57] <andypugh> My initial idea is to use 7 bits of data, and set the highest bit of the first byte.
[18:38:43] <andypugh> That uses 5 bytes.
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[18:40:51] <Tom_itx> andypugh what are you up to?
[18:41:01] <L84Supper> recover synch? how is the data sent?
[18:41:04] <andypugh> Sending resolver data back from the Arduino.
[18:41:16] <Tom_itx> limited speed?
[18:41:36] <andypugh> It's just serial data, sent continuously and shoveled out of the buffer at the Mesa end
[18:41:44] <andypugh> (no handshaking)
[18:42:39] <andypugh> I actually have it working with 6 bytes where the top 3 bits say what sort of data it is, and which channel.
[18:43:22] <andypugh> But I managed to delete that comp during a git-clean so I figure if I am going to re-write it I might as well be cleverer.
[18:46:14] <L84Supper> 7 bits data, 1 bit as a clock (toggles 1,0 every byte) then send 2 reference frame every 100 bytes or something
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[18:47:37] <archivist> would the reference frames be a latency/jitter problem
[18:47:45] <L84Supper> thinking of 8b/10b schemes
[18:48:41] <L84Supper> not if the data is sent faster than the original sample rate, but then you need a buffer large enough to hold this
[18:49:32] <L84Supper> not sure of the big picture yet :)
[18:54:43] <andypugh> L84Supper: I think 1 clock bit every frame makes sense?
[18:55:28] <andypugh> But then the last byte is slightly short :-)
[18:55:40] <andypugh> Not a problem, it just seems like wasted bits
[18:56:01] <andypugh> 7, 7, 7, 7, 2.
[18:56:41] <jdh> or 6 each
[18:57:16] <andypugh> Yes, it might as well be 2 "framing" bits and 6 data bits every time.
[18:57:16] <cradek> andypugh: obviously you have two bits to play with for a sync scheme. it kind of seems like you need 4. so what do you know about your data stream? are there two bits in your data that you know anything about?
[18:57:57] <andypugh> No, these are three encoder positions.
[18:58:34] <andypugh> I do know that they can only move so fast, but I am not sure how to use that if I want absolute position.
[18:58:45] <IchGuckLive> NBC joke if the power goes out try to keep up with NBC news O.O
[18:59:14] <andypugh> (The data is a little noisy, which is why I abandoned the count-up count-down quadrature scheme)
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[18:59:37] <cradek> can you do 9 bit serial?
[19:00:06] <archivist> checksums
[19:01:02] <andypugh> cradek: I don't think so.
[19:01:02] <jdh> aren't you doing mbit speeds? Seems like adding a few bytes to enhance data robustness would be better?
[19:01:24] <andypugh> Yes, it's 1Mb, but I want the most recent possible data
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[19:02:17] <L84Supper> 8b/10b, is a very accurate clock
[19:02:44] <cradek> could you manipulate parity even/odd setting for each byte to get the desired 9th bit sent?
[19:02:51] <cradek> not sure what you have for uarts
[19:03:10] <andypugh> The stock Arduino uart, and the mesa fpga uart.
[19:03:20] <cradek> ok, neither of which I know squat about
[19:03:45] <andypugh> Nor I. They just work.
[19:03:50] <IchGuckLive> im out have a good day and stay dry
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[19:04:16] <cradek> well if you get too clever you'll be able to stop them just working...
[19:05:01] <andypugh> I wondered about parity being deliberately wrong to mark start of frame, but I don't think there are any parity bits.
[19:05:03] <L84Supper> if they are buffered like a 16550 then you lose your "most recent data possible" requirement
[19:06:02] <andypugh> L84Supper: I empty the buffer every time I look at it, and use the latest possible bytes.
[19:06:47] <cradek> that's a better idea - you only have to flip your parity setting predictably once per packet
[19:06:53] <archivist> but does that mean you can have a later x than y etc
[19:06:55] <L84Supper> andypugh, I don't know if there is a FIFO in your way or not
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[19:07:15] <andypugh> L84Supper: I am wondering that now.
[19:07:27] <andypugh> It was a few months ago when I got it working.
[19:07:46] <cradek> maybe you should interleave your three numbers so you always have matching samples
[19:08:06] <L84Supper> the Mesa uart side is easily modified if need be
[19:08:28] <andypugh> 32 bit data would be nicer..
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[19:12:18] <L84Supper> andypugh, how about the irq on the uart? will that be a problem with jitter?
[19:12:45] <andypugh> IRQ
[19:12:47] <andypugh> ?
[19:13:02] <cradek> he's not receiving with a real uart
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[19:14:35] <andypugh> It does appear that my current code might negect the possibility of buffer over-run
[19:15:37] <L84Supper> ah it's Arduino ---> Mesa uart for the direction of this data
[19:17:35] <andypugh> I wonder if I can afford to clear the buffer, wait until I have 5 bytes, then process them?
[19:18:03] <andypugh> Seems a failry evil thing to do in a realtime thread
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[19:21:01] <Tom_itx> you can't send a signal then send the bytes?
[19:21:06] <Tom_itx> when the buffer is full
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[19:23:07] <andypugh> Not really. Hostmto2 stuff runs pretty muvh automatically.
[19:23:30] <Tom_itx> doesn't leave much choice then
[19:24:08] <andypugh> ie, you set up a list of registers to read and registers to write, and then that happens every servo thread,
[19:24:36] <andypugh> Then the individual drivers get to see what the postman brought
[19:25:25] <alex_joni> http://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/189092_10151118222486868_1955158630_n.jpg
[19:25:34] <alex_joni> minimalistic garage :)
[19:26:10] <Tom_itx> :)
[19:26:40] <Tom_itx> crawl out the hatchback?
[19:26:53] <andypugh> There is a door in the side.
[19:27:41] <L84Supper> if you zoom in you can see the hinges
[19:28:06] <L84Supper> safe neighborhood?
[19:28:22] <L84Supper> it's the "car vault"
[19:28:56] <Tecan> heh, i'de be worried about it lighting on fire than hail damage from the looksa it
[19:29:16] <andypugh> I suspect it is partly done for fun, there is no reason it couldn't have been entirely rectangular.
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[19:29:52] <Tecan> thats so the wife cant see if the cars gone
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[19:32:10] <Tecan> that or its just a portable hotbox
[19:34:35] <L84Supper> cor-ten or just rusty?
[19:47:15] <Tecan> einer meiner miner ?
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[19:54:49] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/233783
[19:55:17] <cradek> what are you doing?
[19:55:27] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/233784
[19:55:39] <JT-Shop> moved the VMC from the garage to the shop
[19:55:45] <cradek> slick
[19:55:58] <cradek> nice skates
[19:56:53] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/233785
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[19:57:14] <JT-Shop> yea they work great, I even moved a building with them last year
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[19:57:31] <JesusAlos> is your garage BT-Shop?
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[19:57:39] <JT-Shop> now to figure out where everything must go
[19:57:50] <JT-Shop> it's my shop yes
[19:57:56] <cradek> screw putting up siding, let's get these machines moved
[19:58:03] <JesusAlos> nice place
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[19:58:20] <JT-Shop> yea, I think I'm going to hire a couple of guys to put the siding up
[19:58:29] <JT-Shop> thanks
[19:59:48] <cradek> 10' doors?
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[20:03:15] <JT-Shop> the shop has 10' wide by 9' tall door
[20:03:26] <cradek> ah
[20:03:32] <cradek> I bet that extra foot tall makes a big difference
[20:03:52] <JT-Shop> yea that has come in handy more than once
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[20:08:28] <cradek> JT-Shop: do you think you can go to wichita next summer?
[20:11:39] <andypugh> You phrase that like he gets a choice
[20:11:45] <JT-Shop> can't say for sure but it is not too far to drive at 440 miles from here
[20:11:50] <JT-Shop> LOL
[20:11:57] <cradek> heck, that's nothin'
[20:12:06] <cradek> obviously you'll have to go.
[20:12:58] <cradek> only 280 for me
[20:13:08] <cradek> it's a great central location
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[20:17:06] * Tom_itx thinks JT-Shop likes playing musical chairs
[20:17:28] <Tom_itx> cradek, what's in wichita?
[20:17:41] <cradek> linuxcnc fest 2013
[20:17:45] <Tom_itx> ahh cool
[20:17:47] <Tom_itx> where?
[20:17:52] <Tom_itx> on west st again?
[20:17:57] <cradek> yes
[20:18:02] <Tom_itx> about 2 mi from me
[20:18:07] <cradek> west south north west street
[20:18:13] <cradek> something like that
[20:18:26] <Tom_itx> s West st
[20:18:32] <Tom_itx> industrial area
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[20:19:05] <Tom_itx> what goes on there?
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[20:20:51] <Tom_itx> funny, i've been by there a million times but never been inside
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[20:25:35] <JT-Shop> now to deshamblize the shop http://imagebin.org/233787
[20:27:29] <andypugh> I wish I had such a tidy shambles
[20:28:08] <andypugh> I see youhave the same sort of bender/shear/rolls as me. It's very nearly useful isn't it?
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[20:29:17] <JT-Shop> the three in one, yes it is handy for thinner materials
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[20:32:45] <andypugh> I kept thinking about converting mine to Hydraulics. But then my GF couldn't see any reason for me to clutter her garage with it, so I gave it to my dad.
[20:33:11] <andypugh> I ought to reclaim it. She is long gone (and not only for the obvious reason)
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[20:36:28] <JT-Shop> I have the 4' box and pan brake to the left that will do 12 gauge but you gotta be a man to bend 4' of 12 gauge on it
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[20:37:50] <JT-Shop> and a nice little press brake to use with the shop press
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[20:40:51] <andypugh> One of the best tools I ever had access to was a little rack-driven toggle press with _lots_ of tooling.
[20:41:30] <andypugh> punches for holes, D-subs, BNC. Then a Louvre-cutter, press brake and corner notcher.
[20:42:27] <JT-Shop> nice
[20:42:42] <JT-Shop> that at the tiny engine maker's place?
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[20:43:01] <andypugh> No, it was at Leeds university
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[20:45:22] <andypugh> One of these. I rather hope that price includes some tooling!
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[20:45:25] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/workshop-machine-tools/0541309/
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[20:47:12] <andypugh> It seems that tooling isn't included, so youhave to wonder how they justify the price of this one: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/workshop-machine-tools/0602432/
[20:49:53] <andypugh> Hmm, this pen loks imensely useful though…. http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/pens-marker/0526098/
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[21:32:02] <JT-Shop> what's the terminal command to see what kernel your running?
[21:32:16] <JesusAlos> this link remind me. Eny body know a good pen marker for recorders CNC
[21:32:18] <JesusAlos> ?
[21:32:44] <cradek> uname -a
[21:32:50] <JT-Shop> thanks
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[21:42:09] <andypugh> JesusAlos: Not sure what you are asking
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[21:43:17] <JesusAlos> To mount a useful pens in a milling head
[21:43:36] <JesusAlos> to record labels
[21:45:12] <JesusAlos> you know?
[21:46:40] <andypugh> Not like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1zCG-uPaoM&feature=share&list=UUexvgsGz_QFvOublovDYoTQ
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[21:48:09] <JesusAlos> yes but more professional
[21:49:13] <andypugh> It would be hard to be less professional.
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[21:49:37] <andypugh> The collet holding the pen is actually a flat-bed plotter pen.
[21:49:55] <andypugh> Sorry, a flat-bed plotter adaptor.
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[21:50:18] <andypugh> I think that flat-bed plotter pens might be the right tool for doing the job properly.
[21:52:07] <JesusAlos> http://www.drivewerks.com/catalog/ShopCart/STUF/POR_STUF_autoar_pg2.htm
[21:52:18] <JesusAlos> maybe with spring
[21:52:40] <JesusAlos> for adapt to surfice in 2 axis machine
[21:52:51] <andypugh> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plotter-Pen-Bit-for-CNC-Machines-Thin-Line-/230727447518?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b86d73de
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[21:53:48] <andypugh> Or maybe just one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Plotterpen-f-HP-0-7-mm-blue-5-pens-pack-Plotter-pen-/160378798619?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item255752421b
[21:54:55] <JesusAlos> like last link. But need a useful to clamp
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[21:58:50] <JT-Shop> coolant tank clean, wired back up, next hook up the air and clean out the inside of the BPeast
[22:01:02] <JesusAlos> good night people
[22:03:21] <andypugh> You ought to be able to make a clamp?
[22:03:43] <andypugh> Though perhaps a hotwire machine isn't ideal for that job
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[22:07:22] <JesusAlos> :). I need a cnclabel marker for electrical pushbutton labels
[22:08:15] <andypugh> A laser printer might work better
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[22:08:44] <andypugh> Maybe http://www.craftycomputerpaper.co.uk/.Laser-Water-Slide-Decal-Paper_155.htm
[22:10:17] <JesusAlos> laser heads know where to buy?
[22:10:21] <andypugh> I might have to get some of that myself, now I know it exists.
[22:10:48] <andypugh> I was meaning a normal printer.
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[22:11:08] <JesusAlos> oh
[22:11:40] <andypugh> I think a laser in your machine might be too dangerous, but it is an interesting idea.
[22:11:49] <JesusAlos> http://www.placasgrabadas.net/product_info.php?products_id=117
[22:12:02] <JesusAlos> is rigid plástic
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[22:13:31] <JT-Shop> dang BruceLane is a typoholic
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[22:14:38] <andypugh> Isn't he just
[22:15:05] <JesusAlos> I fall asleep. good night
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[22:17:39] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[22:23:10] <JT-Shop> I can't pay attention that long lol
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[22:48:23] <kwallace> Hello. Is anyone running a Pico servo controller with LinuxCNC 2.5?
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[22:50:48] <JT-Shop> IT's Alive!
[22:51:42] <kwallace> I just got here, what's alive?
[22:51:47] <andypugh> kwallace: I think a few folks are, but can't recall any names.
[22:52:00] <cradek> hey kirk, what's the actual question?
[22:52:20] <andypugh> I am fairly sure that monster 5-axis at MPM is a Pico-controlled device
[22:52:42] <cradek> I think everything but the robot at MPM is running pico stuff
[22:52:54] <cradek> but that's surely beside the point :-)
[22:53:24] <kwallace> I've gone through the usual suspects on a new installation and I'm wondering if I should keep at it.
[22:53:53] <cradek> what do you mean?
[22:53:57] <kwallace> If the Pico controller is known to not work with 2.5, I can go onto something else.
[22:54:16] <cradek> what is your error?
[22:55:21] <kwallace> I'm working on a paste location.
[22:57:04] <andypugh> The Pico controller is known to work well with 2.5
[22:58:44] <andypugh> The place to ask is probably the mailing list or possibly the Pico section of the forum. Jon Elson hangs out in both places.
[22:59:36] <kwallace> http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/pico_error
[22:59:47] <andypugh> Even without the error message I am going for 50% probability that its an EPP problem.
[23:00:29] <andypugh> Is the parallel port set to EPP in the BIOS? What mothrboard is it?
[23:00:58] <kwallace> I've set EPP and checked it with the pp utility, then ran Jon's diagnostic and it runs fine.
[23:01:29] <andypugh> Ah
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[23:01:55] <cradek> looks like you can get more debugging information by setting debug level to INFO
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[23:02:18] <cradek> ... which would be great if I could tell you how to do that
[23:02:26] <andypugh> There was a recent patch to give more clues too: http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commit;h=ce55978c1af6941c101cd2a7191c3fe810888fd1
[23:03:18] <andypugh> cradek: Is that the rtapi reporting level you mean?
[23:03:21] <cradek> yes
[23:03:25] <cradek> do you know how to set it?
[23:03:34] <andypugh> Yes, but you need rtapi live
[23:04:18] <andypugh> So, you need to halrun in one terminal window, then echo 5 > /proc/rtapi/debug in another
[23:04:32] <cradek> then I assume, loadrt hal_ppmc
[23:05:36] <andypugh> Yes (with the same params as the HAL file)
[23:05:54] <andypugh> halcmd$> source configfile.hal
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[23:06:01] <andypugh> Might work up to a point...
[23:06:47] <andypugh> It would be nice to find another way to do this. Perhaps as an input parameter to the linuxcnc script.
[23:07:11] <andypugh> (ponder, you know, I have never looked to check for that...)
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[23:07:25] <cradek> yeah maybe there's already a way.
[23:08:17] <cradek> linuxcnc -d doesn't do it, but probably oughta
[23:08:31] <cradek> looks like it's for debugging the linuxcnc script :-/
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[23:10:19] <kwallace> I appreciate the help. I think I'll wimp out for now and put the original PC back on my lathe and see if that works. I'll check the IRC log to see if you come up with something, but I need to power down to do the swap. Ciao.
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[23:11:08] <cradek> he sounds frustrated
[23:11:14] <cradek> :-(
[23:11:16] <pfred1> yeah well ...
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[23:14:39] <pfred1> toastyde1th are you in Maryland?
[23:14:46] <toastyde1th> yeh
[23:14:58] <pfred1> toastyde1th how has Sandy been treating you?>
[23:15:05] <toastyde1th> it's raining, i guess
[23:15:15] <pfred1> phew I got grazed by the eye here
[23:15:30] <pfred1> check it out http://i.imgur.com/krS8e.png
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[23:16:06] <pfred1> I've been taking a beating all day
[23:16:16] <pfred1> it started last night
[23:17:42] <JT-Shop> aww he left
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[23:19:51] <r00t4rd3d> its starting to get bad here too
[23:20:03] <JT-Shop> weather?
[23:20:10] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[23:20:14] <pfred1> I'm starting to get used to it
[23:20:32] <pfred1> as long as I have electricity it isn't bad
[23:20:39] <JT-Shop> we are not getting anything from that one
[23:21:04] <pfred1> when I lose power i lose everything though
[23:21:14] <pfred1> even water
[23:21:53] <r00t4rd3d> yeah me too
[23:22:27] <pfred1> I got my killer B&D VPX flashlight right in my pocket
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[23:23:43] <Valen> backup genny to flush the loos?
[23:24:31] <tjb1> Its gettin windy!
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[23:26:35] <JT-Shop> 15Kw 3-phase generator here
[23:26:43] <Valen> serious
[23:27:23] <JT-Shop> deutz diesel motor
[23:27:28] <JT-Shop> air cooled
[23:27:56] <pfred1> Valen I fill plastic buckets out of my pool and just dump them into the john
[23:28:04] <Valen> lol
[23:28:08] <JT-Shop> water is water
[23:28:08] <pfred1> it works
[23:28:16] <Valen> that'll be fun in 100mph wind ;->
[23:28:35] <pfred1> if we lose power it can be for days
[23:29:03] <pfred1> I lost power for almost 4 days during Snowmagedon
[23:30:18] <kwallace> Well, my old EMC2 2.3 PC works okay on the lathe, so I know the bits from the lathe up to the parallel port works. I seem to recall some old .ini settings on new software fail in a pretty ugly way. I'll put the new computer back on and pare the .ini to the bone and see if that helps. Thanks again.
[23:30:45] <JT-Shop> kwallace: your back!
[23:31:14] <JT-Shop> I moved my VMC from the garage to the shop today in 10hrs and that is what is alive now
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[23:32:51] <JT-Shop> kwallace: check the wiki for upgrade info from 2.3 to 2.5
[23:32:51] <kwallace> JT-Shop: Cool, I guess you got it done before the bad weather.
[23:33:36] <JT-Shop> no bad weather here, just west of the Mississippi river half way from each end
[23:34:10] <c60> Are there any professional CNC's that come with LinuxCNC?
[23:35:41] <kwallace> I think Smithy and Tormach come with LinuxCNC inside.
[23:36:13] <Valen> speaking of mills
[23:36:29] <c60> wood + plastic routers
[23:36:39] <c60> possibly soft metals, non-ferrous
[23:37:08] <Valen> we are going to be making a new spindle soon, any suggestions for a tool holder system to use for automatic tool changing where the tool holders are readily and cheaply available?
[23:38:22] <JT-Shop> I have Kwik Switch on the BP and BT30 on the other BP so I don't know if CAT something tooling is cheaper than BT...
[23:38:48] <kwallace> I have NMTB40 holders on my Shizuoka mill. I'm lusting for CAT30 for my Bridgeport.
[23:39:42] <Valen> any paticular reason for those? preferences?
[23:39:43] <JT-Shop> is CAT30 just slightly different than BT30?
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[23:40:53] <kwallace> The flange most likely has different dimensions.
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[23:41:00] <toastyde1th> cat30 and bt30 are only different in how the toolchanger clamps
[23:41:15] <JT-Shop> I get all my tool holders from Maritool
[23:41:25] <toastyde1th> sometimes spindle drive lugs don't fit between the two
[23:41:35] <JT-Shop> great people making quality stuff at a fair price
[23:41:46] <toastyde1th> they're both nmtb-30 tapers and they both have interchangable drawnuts
[23:42:13] <kwallace> http://www.tools-n-gizmos.com/specs/Tapers.html
[23:42:17] <JT-Shop> the pull studs?
[23:42:24] <toastyde1th> most bt30 tools will fit in cat30 spindles but not the other way around
[23:42:40] <toastyde1th> JT-Shop, yes
[23:43:07] <andypugh> Then there is 30INT, which is a lot like CAT30
[23:43:38] <andypugh> You can adapt BT to CAT or INT.
[23:44:12] <andypugh> Anyone not seen my home-byult BT30 drawbar?
[23:44:52] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxrzJ_KfcQ0&feature=share&list=UUexvgsGz_QFvOublovDYoTQ
[23:45:16] <toastyde1th> damn that's nice
[23:45:37] <kwallace> It looks like the flange is thicker on the BT with the slot biased to the nose.
[23:46:15] <toastyde1th> the flange is thicker and the drive lugs on bt spindles often jam on cat flanges
[23:46:19] <toastyde1th> but not the other way around
[23:46:39] <JT-Shop> nice, did you heat treat some of the parts?
[23:46:42] <toastyde1th> i know this because i used to blindly grab 40 taper tooling
[23:47:04] <andypugh> Yes, the collets and end are O1 steel, hardened and tempered
[23:48:50] <JT-Shop> I have plans to build a small heat treat oven when I get the shop organized again...
[23:49:10] <JT-Shop> have you seen Dudley's Element Paper?
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[23:54:49] <andypugh> No.
[23:55:04] <andypugh> I have wound a few furnaces myself
[23:55:40] <JT-Shop> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=dudley%27s%20element%20paper&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.joppaglass.com%2Felements%2Fdudleys_element_paper_2012.pdf&ei=cxePUOLCKeHtigKmvIBA&usg=AFQjCNE8T1KNDS3Ni4wYRrJNrLpUDbdrpw
[23:55:43] <JT-Shop> wow
[23:55:53] <JT-Shop> http://www.joppaglass.com/elements/dudleys_element_paper_2012.pdf
[23:56:15] <JT-Shop> seems to be a good paper on furnace design for heat treating
[23:56:58] <andypugh> Aye
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