#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-10-11

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[00:02:05] <tjb1> Are you going to stain just the bucks, name and engraving?
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[00:03:23] <r00t4rd3d> ill make those slightly darker just with wiping
[00:03:58] <r00t4rd3d> let it pool a bit in the cuts
[00:04:07] <r00t4rd3d> wipe the flats down
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[00:20:54] <r00t4rd3d> lmfao this guy did his floor with free samples: http://i.imgur.com/qedz2.jpg
[00:21:39] <andypugh> I like the result
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[00:22:47] <andypugh> on a whim I searched, adnd found: http://purpleheartflooring.com
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[00:27:34] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: i always admire the fiddly bits on your stuff
[00:28:15] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: How exactly do you stain just the cuts but not the face? Do you stain it all and sand the face?
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[00:38:53] <r00t4rd3d> fiddly bits?
[00:39:20] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, i stain the whole thing then just wipe off the flat stuff
[00:39:47] <r00t4rd3d> but u have stained the cuts before and sanded the face down
[00:39:52] <r00t4rd3d> but i have*
[00:40:10] <r00t4rd3d> paint the cuts with a paint brush
[00:40:43] <r00t4rd3d> if you put a light coat of sealer on before you cut, the stain wont take to the wood as well a the cuts
[00:40:44] <tjb1> Just wiping it off right after putting it in the cuts keep it from staining the face?
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[00:40:57] <r00t4rd3d> no it stains the face, just makes it lighter
[00:42:12] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna stain it in a bit, ill show you another pic
[00:43:45] <jdh> red oak?
[00:48:57] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[00:49:31] <Valen> the little arty flowery engraving parts
[00:52:17] <r00t4rd3d> oh
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[00:52:24] <r00t4rd3d> flourishes :D
[00:55:48] <tjb1> Anyone here experience in java?
[00:55:53] <tjb1> I need a tad bit of help
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[01:12:28] <r00t4rd3d> tj you still doing the tether thing?
[01:12:58] <tjb1> to phone?
[01:13:06] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[01:13:23] <tjb1> not very much anymore, I am at school most of the time now
[01:17:46] <tjb1> Why?
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[01:22:38] <r00t4rd3d> just wondering
[01:22:59] <tjb1> You wonder too much
[01:25:32] <r00t4rd3d> bout sanding and staining time
[01:26:49] <r00t4rd3d> its been cold around here, been taking my stain 2 days to dry :(
[01:28:25] <r00t4rd3d> i need a heat gun
[01:34:06] <Thetawaves> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfomloUg2Gw
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[02:09:04] <tjb1> java is horrible :(
[02:14:18] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/zIVF7
[02:14:23] <tjb1> http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/882/img8362l.jpg
[02:14:39] <r00t4rd3d> the box stained and a maple and birch end table top i am working on
[02:14:40] <tjb1> can anyone identify what board is plugging into the G540 at the top left of the picture
[02:15:04] <tjb1> Looks great r00t4rd3d
[02:15:22] <r00t4rd3d> its some type of relay
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[02:16:05] <r00t4rd3d> a ethernet replay
[02:17:30] <tjb1> Its an expansion board from candcnc but im not sure which
[02:19:01] <tjb1> Actually its this - http://www.candcnc.com/images/LCTHC/G540-Interface2-342.png
[02:19:51] <tjb1> JT-Shop: You here?
[02:19:55] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[02:19:59] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt it
[02:20:15] <r00t4rd3d> JT-Bed
[02:20:47] <tjb1> I dont need a relay for a ground signal do I?
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[02:21:14] <tjb1> This thing is talking about firing the torch relay
[02:25:13] <r00t4rd3d> i dont have a clue
[02:27:15] <r00t4rd3d> the only thing i can think of is the output off the g540 is not even to trigger the torch relay
[02:27:30] <r00t4rd3d> is not enough*
[02:28:08] <r00t4rd3d> by looking at the spec sheet you should be able to tell if that is wrong or right
[02:29:16] <r00t4rd3d> say the torch relay needs 110v or someshit and the g540 only outputs 12v , that board would bump it up enough to trip the torch relay
[02:29:20] <r00t4rd3d> im high.
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[02:56:49] <Valen> came up nice r00t4rd3d
[02:57:49] <Valen> could be some isolation or some such?
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[03:54:35] <skorket> If I attached an RC brushless DC motor to an ER11 collet and shank, what kind of runout do you think I could expect?
[03:54:44] <skorket> and what ball bearings should I use for such high speeds?
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[04:05:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.buildlog.net/blog/2011/09/new-brushless-dc-router-spindle/
[04:06:28] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: bed time
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[04:09:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3007/3107033319_58ff1e2872.jpg
[04:09:41] <r00t4rd3d> that one looks pretty sweet
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[04:29:17] <jrshaul> Does anyone know of a shop that can laser-cut HDPE?
[04:29:36] <jrshaul> I know it's fumetastically awful to work with.
[04:41:16] <toastydeath> how is hdpe hard to work with
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[04:52:19] <skorket> r00t4rd3d, any idea what the runout is?
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[05:21:49] <jrshaul> toastydeath: It melts easily and makes fumes.
[05:21:55] <jrshaul> Apparently you need a really really big laser.
[05:22:06] <jrshaul> However, the big 400W+ jobs can cut it at ludicrous speeds.
[05:42:07] <toastydeath> oh, i thought you were trying to machine it first
[05:42:14] <toastydeath> disregard
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[06:36:12] <automata_> h mhaberler
[06:36:23] <mhaberler> hi automata
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[06:53:56] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:10:26] <theos> o/
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[07:15:39] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:50:42] <mrsun_> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/south-bend-lathes/what-have-you-made-your-south-bend-129669/index6.html#post594351 wth is that and what is it used for? :)
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[07:56:58] <archivist> mrsun_, I am guessing parts for a shaper http://www.neme-s.org/shapers/columns/shaper_column_65.html
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[07:57:28] <mrsun_> ahh yes
[07:57:30] <mrsun_> now i see it
[07:57:35] <mrsun_> i thought it was mounted on a lathe =)
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[07:59:23] <archivist> his first line of text gave me a clue and I googled shaper springfield
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[08:56:49] <Valen> So I'm thinking about making a spindle
[08:57:01] <Valen> wondering how one goes about doing this with a crappy lathe
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[09:14:51] <archivist> depends on what the spindle is for, and you could fix the crappyness
[09:22:17] <Loetmichel> Valen: a good Machinistr cam make the finest things even on a VERY crappy/weared down lathe
[09:22:21] <Loetmichel> -r
[09:22:47] <Valen> spindle is to be a metal cutting spindle in the 1-2Kw range
[09:22:51] <Valen> with tool changer
[09:23:07] <Valen> and I'm a crap machinist, my dads a bit better but not a god
[09:26:21] <archivist> part of it is doing things in the right order, part is good sharp tooling, good user and sturdy machine in adjustment
[09:27:00] <Valen> adjusting the machine could be interesting
[09:27:05] <archivist> the right order is about maintaining stiffness of the part during the operations
[09:28:02] <archivist> or you can rough turn and then finish grind
[09:29:29] <archivist> or..just get a parallel shaft er collet holder and build around that
[09:33:06] <Valen> going to be a pretty big size spindle, I'm going to build a big brushless into the back of it
[09:33:20] <Valen> so 2" OD is probably in the ballpark
[09:33:25] <archivist> the internal taper is one of the fun parts
[09:33:52] <archivist> or steal a part from a scrap something
[09:34:15] <Valen> yeah, the taper is posing something of a challenge
[09:34:27] <archivist> my southbend can do the internal tapers :)
[09:34:43] <Valen> thinking we might put the compound slide back on but getting the angle and such right could be interesting
[09:36:12] <archivist> cnc the lathe
[09:37:14] <archivist> I picked up a right angle head with a 30 sized spindle off ebay
[09:39:37] <Valen> we have .005mm linear glass scales on it at the moment, using it for DRO
[09:42:40] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_06_16_vertical_head/
[09:44:24] <Valen> back in a sec desiginging a computer for a friends sister
[09:56:51] <Valen> I like the use of the heatsink for scale and roll resistance
[09:59:40] <archivist> and if the spindle is for cnc mill, leave the internal taper final cut for on the machine so it is true to the bearings etc
[10:00:17] <Valen> good plan
[10:00:27] <Valen> that actually makes things much easier
[10:00:27] <archivist> point a toolpost grinder upwards
[10:00:43] <r00t4rd3d> -_o
[10:02:03] <Valen> I had that plan before but I forgot about it lol
[10:02:23] <Valen> Our biggest issue is making tool holders for it
[10:02:34] <Valen> as they require accurate lathe work
[10:03:39] <archivist> make it suitable for standard bt30/40/whateva
[10:04:20] <Valen> I was also thinking that
[10:04:46] <archivist> although I am working on a fixed length system for ER holders, I saw some at a show
[10:05:09] <Valen> I was going to have a height probe as part of the tool change
[10:06:12] <archivist> for some tool types a height probe does not cut it
[10:06:44] <Valen> hrm?
[10:07:10] <archivist> gear cutters
[10:08:05] <Valen> could you not have a known offset for the tool from the probed height?
[10:08:35] <archivist> one needs the centre line of the tool and od, the nut holding the tool is lowest
[10:09:35] <archivist> this turned 90 http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_03_31_contrate_gear_prototype/IMG_1205.JPG
[10:09:37] <Valen> wouldn't the centerline be set by the toolholder, OD in the tool table and the offset between cutters and nut shouldn't change unless you mess with stuff?
[10:10:01] <archivist> each cutter is different
[10:10:45] <Valen> yeah, but once you have loaded it and set it up, it wouldn't change from use to use other than how far it is into the spindle?
[10:10:50] <archivist> and for the smaller sizes you need to include mounting errors
[10:12:52] <archivist> needs to be better than a thou that most seem to think is all right :)
[10:14:30] <Valen> mounting errors in which way?
[10:14:38] <Valen> i want to be able to cut gears
[10:16:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/tzrtV.jpg
[10:18:31] <archivist> Valen, think of a swash plate type error, it cuts a wider slot, so the centre line needs adjusting a bit for that
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[10:23:34] <archivist> zoom in on http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_03_31_contrate_gear_prototype/IMG_1209.JPG and you can just see some offset
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[10:33:01] <IchGuckLive> PCW Thanks to the unser yesterday
[10:33:26] <IchGuckLive> i will go with 100 pp/rev first its almost education
[10:33:33] <IchGuckLive> so i guess it is ok
[10:34:18] <Valen> r00t4rd3d: that cant have ended well
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[11:42:24] * jthornton finally go my mind right on python classes
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[12:14:04] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[12:28:49] <jdh> I just found 10 new-in-bags Thomson 20:1 right angle nema34 gearheads... in the trash.
[12:29:37] <archivist> lucky boy
[12:30:01] <jdh> I can't take them :(
[12:30:25] <archivist> there must be a way
[12:31:28] <jdh> I wish. 20+ compumotor stepper drives too.
[12:32:07] <archivist> you need to nag/ask some manager somewhere
[12:32:18] <archivist> bribe even
[12:37:31] <jdh> I'll have to see. The gearheads don't really belong in that pile (electrical stuff we call 'hazardous' due to lead)
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[12:39:40] <Loetmichel> and lead is harzardous in WHAT way again?
[12:40:05] <Loetmichel> ... as a matal, not an oxide/water souble crystal?
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[12:41:50] <jdh> hence the quotes :)
[12:47:19] <Loetmichel> hrhr
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[13:00:37] <r00t4rd3d> where you looking for lunch?
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[13:20:21] <jdh> in a restaurant.
[13:24:00] <jdh> where are you looking for lunch?
[13:30:30] <Valen> jdh did i mention i could "safely dispose" of all that "hazadous waste" by ensuring it didnt go into landfill?
[13:30:58] <skunkworks> https://www.fsf.org/news/hardware-certification-aleph-objects-lulzbot-3d-printer
[13:31:01] <Valen> ;->
[13:35:19] <jdh> Valen: I'd dispose of them also if I could.
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[13:49:08] <skunkworks> mach has issues - You have to be a geek and programmer to use linuxcnc.. SO I am going to use KFLOP. (where I have to know C to do simple things like homing...) http://www.cnczone.com/forums/dynomotion_kflop_kanalog/164856-learning_kmotion_ropes.html
[13:49:27] <skunkworks> People are funny
[13:54:26] <jdh> you're funny.
[13:54:56] <skunkworks> I agree. My mom told me so :)
[13:55:20] <jdh> you just didn't hear the rest of what she said...
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[14:08:35] <r00t4rd3d> were*
[14:11:06] <Jymmm> If you use PayPal, you may wish to read the Upcoming Policy Updates BEFORE November 1, 2012.
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[14:12:08] <jdh> interesting nick.
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[15:54:32] <ScribbleJ> Recently I learned that if you want to process with VISA like Paypal does (i.e. you process transactions for other people who do not have their own merchant accounts) it only costs $5000 you pay VISA and $0 for Mastercard.
[15:55:42] <Jymmm> Yeah, but the potential chargeback fees are huge.
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[15:58:51] <Jymmm> Funny thing about MasterCard... If you get a ticket, the courts here will * NOT * accept any credit card except Master Card (No Visa, AmEx, Discover), debit card, or cash.
[15:59:53] <Jymmm> I have yet to find any place that accepts Visa, not to accept MC too. Might be different outside the USA though.
[16:07:17] <jdh> I'd suggest avoiding to have to pay courts regardless of payment method.
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[16:08:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, the judge was just a jerk. Brought in 30 pages of documents from the county road dept, didn't even bother to take them into consideration.
[16:12:05] <L84Supper> you're supposed to pay a lawyer to do that, how dare you try that on your own!
[16:12:20] <Jymmm> heh
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[16:13:23] <Jymmm> It's funny, the cop made a point of saying he is too busy on his days off to appear in court. Yeah, Uh huh. He showed up of course =)
[16:14:42] <Jymmm> Even gave me his days off too.
[16:14:45] <L84Supper> Clockwork Orange
[16:15:08] <L84Supper> respect the badge
[16:15:24] <L84Supper> not the person
[16:15:29] <Jymmm> L84Supper: I haven't seen that in so long, I don't even remember the context.
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[16:17:33] <L84Supper> his former thug friends were now police officers a few months later
[16:17:51] <Jymmm> ah
[16:19:39] <Jymmm> nothing has changed there today =)
[16:20:13] <tjb1_> I should be done machining?
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[16:20:39] <L84Supper> "This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." - Plato.... not for thousands of years
[16:20:42] <tjb1> No ?…I should be done machining parts for my table
[16:27:00] <tjb1> http://ultimachine.com/ramps-pre-assembled-kit-complete
[16:27:05] <tjb1> Ugh sorry wrong window..
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[17:03:30] <IchGuckLive> hi All
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[19:27:49] <Jymmm> I just had a reroller place tell me ss shim stock is premium surcharged
[19:28:00] <mrsun_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1K5QjR3hyU&feature=related <-- my X1 at work ;P
[19:28:36] <Jymmm> mrsun_: Not even in your wet dreams!
[19:28:45] <mrsun_> =)
[19:32:56] <Jymmm> I'm more urious as to what that inconnel part is for more than anythign else.
[19:33:00] <Jymmm> curious
[19:35:05] <mrsun_> hehe
[19:36:49] <andypugh> I think RS just posted my Pi
[19:38:13] <Jymmm> andypugh: your brit acronyms dont translate =)
[19:38:34] <andypugh> Raspberry Pi
[19:38:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: (And not in the Brit to English dictionary either =)
[19:38:51] <Jymmm> and 'RS' ?
[19:38:58] <andypugh> Radio Spares
[19:39:08] <andypugh> Now known as RS components.
[19:39:24] <Jymmm> is that a website? In the US Rs is usually Radio Shack
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[19:40:39] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/
[19:40:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: what do you mean they posted YOUR pi?
[19:40:46] <andypugh> They seem to be Allied in the US
[19:40:54] <Jymmm> ah
[19:41:17] <andypugh> I ordered one in April (if I remember right) and they finally got through the backlog of orders to mine.
[19:41:32] <Jymmm> Ah, ok. cool!
[19:41:40] <cpresser> andypugh: that is unfortunate. i had to wait only 2 weeks
[19:41:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: is this work or pleasure?
[19:41:48] <cpresser> but i ordered at farnell
[19:42:20] <andypugh> For fun.
[19:42:33] <andypugh> Everything I do that isn't related to cars is fun.
[19:43:00] <Jymmm> andypugh: Really? I thought you did dev work for profit?
[19:43:17] <cpresser> you might use rhe r-pi as car-pc :)
[19:43:38] <andypugh> What, LinuxCNC stuff? I actively avoid being paid for that (people keep offering)
[19:44:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: can you install XP on a pi?
[19:44:32] <cpresser> jope, its ARM
[19:44:37] <Jymmm> ah
[19:44:52] <Jymmm> so need to find a arm variant on linux
[19:44:58] <Jymmm> s/on/of/
[19:45:13] <cpresser> linux runs fine; just a few parts are closed-source (video-core)
[19:45:52] <Jymmm> How is the pi compared to a PicoITX ?
[19:45:55] <cpresser> documentation for that part is quite sparse, right now i am fighting with the PIs OpenMAX implementation
[19:46:48] <cpresser> Jymmm: depends on the CPU on the PicoITX board.
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[19:47:08] <Jymmm> cpresser: first gen Via (tm)
[19:47:16] <cpresser> generally speaking, the PI is not fast. some say it can be compared to a PII-200Mhz X86 cpu
[19:47:22] <jdh> I got a Pi a few months ago. Haven't found anything useful to do with it other than boot it.
[19:47:43] <Jymmm> jdh: That was my issue witht he PicoITX too
[19:47:52] <andypugh> It's a fair bit smaller than a PicoITX
[19:48:09] <Jymmm> andypugh: performance or physical?
[19:48:22] <andypugh> Physical.
[19:48:34] <cpresser> however, it can decode FullHD video. On the other hand the X-Server is quite slow. I would try to use it as desktop
[19:48:39] <jdh> it was kind of cool hooking it up to a 60" teevee. Powered via USB from the TV
[19:48:42] <Jymmm> andypugh: yeah.
[19:49:17] <andypugh> 3.37 x 2.125"
[19:49:25] <Jymmm> I want to use a $60 tablet as display/touch screen input
[19:49:35] <Jymmm> But I dont think it has the horsepower
[19:49:45] <Jymmm> to do the other stuff
[19:51:19] <Jymmm> and I need the usb to be host, not slave.
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[20:05:34] <tjb1> I need some help, my Z axis bypasses the limit switch but I can clearly see the switch activate. Is there a debounce setting or something for the inputs?
[20:06:39] <r00t4rd3d> do a continuity test on your wires to start
[20:07:20] <tjb1> It works just not in certain ways
[20:07:24] <r00t4rd3d> then use your tester to check the switches function
[20:07:32] <tjb1> It works :P
[20:07:38] <r00t4rd3d> apparently not.
[20:07:50] <tjb1> …it does, just not in this situation
[20:08:35] <r00t4rd3d> I cant believe you built your machine from scratch and you need micro switches to keep it within its limits.
[20:08:40] <tjb1> If I go up-down-up-down-up-down-up-down between the switches and then send it up far enough to the trigger it blows by it and I can see the prox sensor light up…if I just go up it stops the axis on the trigger like it should
[20:09:22] <tjb1> Why, because you use soft limits?
[20:09:33] <r00t4rd3d> i dont use any
[20:09:48] <r00t4rd3d> besides what i entered in stepconf
[20:09:55] <r00t4rd3d> but i dont stick to that either
[20:10:02] <r00t4rd3d> i zero my machine to my material
[20:10:11] <r00t4rd3d> how ever I clamp it
[20:11:18] <r00t4rd3d> I want to tell the machine where zero is, not a switch.
[20:12:53] <tjb1> Thats not telling the machine where zero is…its telling it where home is :P
[20:13:26] <r00t4rd3d> i never home my axis either
[20:13:31] <r00t4rd3d> 0,0,1
[20:15:02] <r00t4rd3d> i cant even remember what i set my home position at in stepconf :D
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[20:16:29] <tjb1> some of us have travel :P
[20:17:20] <r00t4rd3d> after you get up and going you will see
[20:17:45] <skunkworks> I can't imagine running a machine without a pre-defined home
[20:18:08] <r00t4rd3d> i guess im redneck
[20:18:17] <r00t4rd3d> or like doing it the hard way
[20:18:17] <skunkworks> heh
[20:19:00] <skunkworks> well - I have a tool changer, pallet changer and such so - I really need a home position.
[20:19:08] <tjb1> You see, some of us have more than 4" of travel :D
[20:19:28] <r00t4rd3d> i have like 10 on my z, my smallest
[20:19:47] <r00t4rd3d> though I only ever use 3/4 of an inch
[20:20:24] <r00t4rd3d> most of my engravings dont go deeper then 1/4
[20:21:02] <skunkworks> tjb1, how are your limits hooked into linuxcnc?
[20:21:14] <tjb1> Shared input on G540
[20:21:23] <tjb1> through parallel port to computer
[20:21:59] <skunkworks> if you run it slower across the limit it see's it?
[20:23:47] <tjb1> Yes
[20:24:06] <tjb1> Well it can run the same speed across and trip it if I dont do the up-down-up-down-up-down before hitting it
[20:24:38] <skunkworks> I think you need to explain that better...
[20:24:46] <r00t4rd3d> i think if i used JT-Shop's align program it would make my life easier
[20:25:39] <tjb1> Its the Z axis…if I send it up-down-up-down-up-down and then up high enough to hit the switch, it doesnt stop
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[20:25:55] <tjb1> So if it hit page up-page down-page up-page down...
[20:26:06] <skunkworks> how is the limit switch hooked in to linuxcnc?
[20:26:15] <skunkworks> are you wanting it to estop?
[20:26:56] <tjb1> Well its a limit so it kills the power
[20:27:35] <skunkworks> right - but do you actually have it killing power physically - or does it go though linuxcnc first?
[20:27:59] <skunkworks> my limit switches are part of the estop loop.
[20:28:13] <jdh> not mine
[20:28:22] <tjb1> linuxcnc
[20:28:34] <tjb1> I cant, I have 1 switch per axis that is both limits and the home for the axis
[20:28:53] <r00t4rd3d> you can wire all the limits together
[20:29:10] <tjb1> They are
[20:29:43] <r00t4rd3d> so set them as estop in parallel settings
[20:29:52] <r00t4rd3d> not limits
[20:30:04] <skunkworks> how is it hooked in hal?
[20:30:12] <r00t4rd3d> i think you can defined a couple uses for them
[20:30:18] <r00t4rd3d> define*
[20:30:36] <r00t4rd3d> i think its just limit and home though
[20:31:00] <tjb1> There are(going to be) 3 proximity sensors, all wiring to input 1 on the g540. They do the homing/limit for all axis
[20:31:09] <tjb1> I currently only have 1 hooked up
[20:32:06] <tjb1> net both-home-z <= parport.0.pin-10-in-not
[20:33:16] <skunkworks> what is both-home-z also hooked to?
[20:33:48] <tjb1> In hal?
[20:33:53] <skunkworks> yes
[20:34:22] <tjb1> net both-home-z => axis.0.home-sw-in, net both-home-z => axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in, net both-home-z => axis.0.pos-lim-sw-in
[20:34:30] <jdh> heh... HF has their cheapo calipers for $8.99 this w/e
[20:39:28] <tjb1> Any recommendations skunkworks ?
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[20:40:45] <skunkworks> tjb1, seems ok.. I would halscope the signal and see what it is doing
[20:41:06] <tjb1> Ill have to read up on halscope first
[20:41:54] <r00t4rd3d> hal is like linuxcnc's perverted uncle.
[20:44:40] <r00t4rd3d> you try to avoid him but sooner or later he ends up fucking you too.
[20:44:47] <tjb1> I slowed teh Z down to 120ipm and it tripped
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[20:45:31] <r00t4rd3d> get a better switch
[20:45:47] <skunkworks> well - the base period is normally 1khz could it be turning on and off within 1ms?
[20:48:11] <tjb1> I dont think its 1ms but its fast
[20:48:33] <skunkworks> that is why I would halscope and see if the signal is even getting into hal
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[20:48:41] <skunkworks> Hal is awesome!
[20:48:51] <tjb1> I dont know how to use Halscope yet
[20:49:01] <skunkworks> play with it :)
[20:50:04] <tjb1> i have to play with other things first :P
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[21:06:12] <tjb1> Hey JT-Shop
[21:10:13] <tjb1> I took z home switch off and deleted the code but now if I just home it so it 0s wherever it is, it sets it to -.170
[21:10:38] <tjb1> Ive even restarted LinuxCNC and its still not setting Z to 0…any ideas?
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[21:10:55] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:22:48] <andypugh> tjb1: You can add a debounce, but it isn't there by default.
[21:23:32] <andypugh> I woder if your up-down-up is enough to make a marginal supply voltage drop below a critical level?
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[21:33:23] <andypugh> tjb1: You need to see if the switch triggers in Halscope, if the state change isn't getting to the software, all bets are off.
[21:38:42] <skunkworks> tjb1, you probably have a touchoff set. Clear them
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[22:21:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/U7teq
[22:21:26] <r00t4rd3d> done.
[22:21:55] <JT-Shop> hey tjb1, just putting the bicycle away
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[22:39:44] <skunkworks> so that is a paradise box?
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[22:40:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/projects/march-2011/paradise-box.htm
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[22:42:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/xEz8g.jpg
[22:43:10] <r00t4rd3d> a better pic of my top, not so washed out in flash
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[22:44:21] <skunkworks> neat
[22:48:15] <JT-Shop> tjb1: back
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[23:22:28] * JT-Shop leaves Harro W. Wong Fong Sang to andypugh
[23:22:43] <andypugh> I wondered what was happening there
[23:23:16] <JT-Shop> were they disappearing on you?
[23:23:37] <andypugh> I deleted all the spammers, and 4 of the real people disappered too.
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[23:23:51] <andypugh> Wong Fong Samg looks OK to me
[23:23:52] <JT-Shop> we must have been working at the same time
[23:23:56] <JT-Shop> yea, me too
[23:24:58] * JT-Shop goes back to running 3-phase to the grinder and lathe
[23:29:01] <SWPadnos> on the subject of spammers, I've been getting between 10 and 100 messages a day from DreamHost saying that various messages are undeliverable because the user doesn't exist
[23:29:11] <SWPadnos> at gmail most of the time
[23:29:20] <JT-Shop> yea spammers love gmail
[23:29:44] <JT-Shop> we get thousands of spammers a day it seems like trying to register on linuxcnc.org
[23:30:19] <SWPadnos> yep, and a lot of them don't use valid email addresses, so I get the "undelivered mail" notifications
[23:31:03] <andypugh> They like to put spaces in. I guess that what is bouncing is the confirmation email,
[23:31:18] <SWPadnos> nope, not the ones I'm getting
[23:31:23] <andypugh> We could consider putting confirmation emails on manual. Or turning them off, actually.
[23:31:29] <SWPadnos> it's either no user by that name, or host not found
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[23:32:02] <SWPadnos> Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; Host or domain name not found. Name service error
[23:32:03] <SWPadnos> for name=aidkeivwhhkf.com type=A: Host not found
[23:32:05] <SWPadnos> that's one
[23:32:24] <SWPadnos> <xiao.yao@aol.com>: delivery temporarily suspended: host
[23:32:26] <SWPadnos> mailin-01.mx.aol.com[] refused to talk to me: 421
[23:32:28] <SWPadnos> mtain-md04.r1000.mx.aol.com Service unavailable - try again later
[23:32:34] <SWPadnos> another type (not much we can do about this one)
[23:32:55] <SWPadnos> maybe there are DH panel settings that can turn off certain kinds of these notifications
[23:33:14] <andypugh> xiao.yao looks probably genuine
[23:33:36] <SWPadnos> sure, could be
[23:33:59] <SWPadnos> that one was from yesterday, and it's possible that the mail server tried again
[23:34:29] <SWPadnos> <aekpeezia@gmail.com>: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[] said:
[23:34:31] <SWPadnos> 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please
[23:34:33] <SWPadnos> try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or
[23:34:34] <SWPadnos> 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at 550 5.1.1
[23:34:36] <SWPadnos> http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 s9si7367665pav.59
[23:34:37] <SWPadnos> (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[23:34:39] <SWPadnos> That's the other kind of message I remember
[23:37:36] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[23:37:46] <JT-Shop> andypugh: if I turn it off then you/me can send them manual I think
[23:38:14] <JT-Shop> but knowing what I know about Joomula I better not
[23:39:12] <Valen> I'd suggest perhaps just filtering the email
[23:39:13] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: BTW... "Service unavailable - try again later" is a RFC valid anti-spam method.
[23:39:32] <Valen> greylisting ftw ;->
[23:39:42] <Jymmm> Valen: hardly
[23:39:44] <JT-Shop> and we are behind by a zillon versions 1.8 and latest is 2.5.6
[23:40:07] <Valen> ""service unavailable - try again later" is a RFC valid anti-spam method." aka greylisting
[23:40:07] <JT-Shop> Diggy Liggy Lo
[23:41:36] <Valen> for SWPadnos I'd suggest a few mail rules to just file all the errors off somewhere
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[23:42:25] <Jymmm> Valen: No, it's not.
[23:42:52] <Valen> enlighten me then
[23:43:07] <Jymmm> Valen: colorlistings, implies a list is created, there is no list created or referenced.
[23:44:31] <Valen> so this method you speak of, how does it work?
[23:45:53] <Jymmm> Valen: Read RFC2821
[23:46:11] <Valen> I have
[23:46:44] <Valen> and i'm curious as to what method uses a "try later" message that isn't greylisting
[23:50:30] <SWPadnos> hi Jymmm
[23:51:13] <SWPadnos> yep, the 550 response and "service unavailable" could be used as filters, but I still get the notifications since I'm the "webmaster" for the domain
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[23:54:30] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ok, is there an SPF record?
[23:54:42] <SWPadnos> SPF 90, I burn easily
[23:55:03] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework
[23:55:57] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: also DomainKeys
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[23:56:29] <Valen> that probably wouldn't actually reduce the bounce messages much, it'll at best give another reason for the bounce
[23:56:33] <SWPadnos> no, I don't see anything in the headers that look like that
[23:56:35] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: and what MTA are we talking about?
[23:56:45] <Valen> its a good idea to put spf in place anyway
[23:56:59] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: wait, what?
[23:57:11] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: what MTA are we talking about?
[23:57:15] <SWPadnos> these are notifications from the mailer daemon to the webmaster about failed emails, which were auto-generated by joomla
[23:57:33] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: what domain?
[23:57:41] <SWPadnos> linuxcnc.org
[23:57:54] <SWPadnos> it's the automatic email when you register, saying "we'll get back to you"
[23:58:01] <Valen> yeah, your system is making the emails itself, then its bouncing from the other server, so SPF isnt going to fix it
[23:58:03] <SWPadnos> but if it bounces, I get a notice
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[23:58:40] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: There are no dns SPF records for linuxcnc.org http://www.unlocktheinbox.com/dnslookup/mx/linuxcnc.org/
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[23:58:59] <SWPadnos> this isn't a spoofing problem
[23:59:06] <Valen> you are sending "from" a legit source and the bounces are valid errors, you need to try not to send the messages in the first place
[23:59:14] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: SPF record is something YOU add to the dns records for the domain.
[23:59:26] <Valen> Jymmm: YOU dont understand his problem
[23:59:26] <SWPadnos> someone uses a bot to try to register spam accounts on the forum
[23:59:45] <SWPadnos> the forum code sends an email to the (bogus) address used to register
[23:59:56] <SWPadnos> the automatically sent email bounces