#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-10-03

[00:00:08] <r00t4rd3d> nah
[00:00:11] <r00t4rd3d> not in years
[00:00:18] <WillenCMD> the patches get error 404 not found when i ran
[00:00:24] <r00t4rd3d> and at the time i only "played" with it
[00:00:40] <WillenCMD> when i do ebuild manifest
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[00:01:55] <r00t4rd3d> the link has probably changed
[00:02:04] <r00t4rd3d> to a different kernel
[00:03:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/magma/base/arch/x86/patches/?cvsroot=rtai
[00:04:08] <WillenCMD> i downloaded the patches
[00:05:03] <WillenCMD> i guess ill try and build it my self
[00:05:15] <r00t4rd3d> well if you get 404 then your path is not correct or mis-spelled
[00:05:52] <WillenCMD> its attempting to download them from www.kernel.org
[00:06:21] <WillenCMD> patch-
[00:06:31] <r00t4rd3d> http://cvs.gna.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/magma/base/arch/x86/patches/hal-linux-;content-type=text%2Fx-diff;cvsroot=rtai
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[00:07:10] <r00t4rd3d> is the one from the guide i believe
[00:07:55] <WillenCMD> i have that one
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[00:09:53] <r00t4rd3d> seems like the guide is maybe wrong
[00:10:04] <r00t4rd3d> Next, download RTAI kernel patches from RTAI CVS [1], and save it under /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel/rtai-sources/files
[00:10:13] <r00t4rd3d> ebuild /usr/local/portage/sys-kernel/rtai-sources/rtai-sources- manifest
[00:10:19] <r00t4rd3d> its not the same path
[00:11:06] <WillenCMD> ah i see
[00:11:20] <r00t4rd3d> the whole /file thing
[00:11:29] <WillenCMD> ill cp it too the rta-sources dir
[00:12:31] <r00t4rd3d> that will probably resolve the 404
[00:13:31] <r00t4rd3d> im not sure how ebuild works though to be honest
[00:13:35] <r00t4rd3d> or where it looks for stuff
[00:14:24] <WillenCMD> the 404 errors are from teh http request
[00:14:29] <tjb1> Anyone explain why people put the bearings at an angle like this? - http://www.cnczone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=39680&amp;d=1182868580
[00:14:36] <WillenCMD> moving the patch did not resolve it
[00:14:43] <WillenCMD> i'll just attempt to build it my self
[00:14:47] <r00t4rd3d> whats the http link?
[00:15:27] <WillenCMD> i cant paste into this stupid irq program
[00:15:39] <WillenCMD> irc*
[00:15:42] <r00t4rd3d> ctrl c , ctrl v
[00:15:58] <WillenCMD> lol come on man i diserve more credit then that
[00:16:03] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[00:16:10] <r00t4rd3d> right click, mark ?
[00:16:12] <WillenCMD> i tried ctrl+shift+v
[00:16:13] <JT-Shop> ctrl v works for me
[00:16:16] <WillenCMD> no right click
[00:16:22] <WillenCMD> im on the live cd
[00:16:28] <WillenCMD> its irssi
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[00:17:03] <r00t4rd3d> yuck
[00:17:25] <WillenCMD> to hell with this i'll try and build it if it doesn't work i'll come back
[00:17:46] <r00t4rd3d> hope you got time
[00:17:50] <WillenCMD> i don't need linuxcnc anyway, i redid the make file, it only installs hal and its components
[00:17:54] <r00t4rd3d> more so with a live cd
[00:18:03] <WillenCMD> i already have all the steps done
[00:18:04] <andypugh> tjb1: They do it that way because other ways don't work as well.
[00:18:23] <WillenCMD> just trying to install rtai
[00:18:28] <andypugh> Does anyone know if locale.h exists on a liveCD install?
[00:18:40] <tjb1> andypugh: So putting two of them directly on top is worse? It would seem that with them at an angle like that they would always try to deflect out
[00:18:42] <WillenCMD> on the ubuntu?
[00:18:56] <andypugh> Ah, you mean the stagger?
[00:19:05] <andypugh> WillenCMD: Yes
[00:19:15] <JT-Shop> name that tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=LgsDWb0orSQ
[00:19:16] <r00t4rd3d> keeps the saw dust out from under the bearings too
[00:19:27] <andypugh> They stagger them so the nuts miss each other :-)
[00:19:34] <r00t4rd3d> which you will learn is a pain with cncrp carriages
[00:20:02] <tjb1> andypugh: No I mean how they are on the side of the pipe, those are the bearings holding the gantry up so the bearings arent directly supporting the weight
[00:20:38] <r00t4rd3d> its like a roller coaster
[00:21:02] <tjb1> Roller coasters I have been on have 3 bearings, top-bottom-side
[00:21:05] <tjb1> :)
[00:21:17] <r00t4rd3d> old school coaster
[00:21:19] <JT-Shop> is that lathe made from a stack of engine blocks?
[00:21:31] <tjb1> Ah nevermind…I figured it out
[00:21:37] <tjb1> Prevents lift...
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[00:31:18] <WillenCMD> alright root got past it
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[00:39:36] <WillenCMD> can anyone update the wiki?
[00:40:55] <WillenCMD> can anyone update the wiki?
[00:41:03] <WillenCMD> sorry for the double post
[00:41:07] <WillenCMD> sorry for the double post
[00:47:15] <Jymmm\AE> archivist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpkTHyfr0pM
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[00:50:24] <Tom_itx> i wonder if i can set my lathe up to cut 3 tpi
[00:52:56] <WillenCMD> got it working!
[00:53:29] <WillenCMD> the wiki needs to be updated
[00:53:34] <WillenCMD> for the emcongentoo
[00:53:47] <WillenCMD> some of the patches don't exist in the manifest locations
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[00:57:34] <Jymmm\AE> cradek: you might enjoy this too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4&feature=related ( archivist, this link is all parts)
[00:59:01] <WillenCMD> alright here goes nothing, i edited the linuxcnc makefile to only install hal and its components
[01:06:53] <tjb1> Hey JT-Shop can yours do this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoHJ_rVxjhw&feature=related
[01:14:21] <r00t4rd3d> nah, his just gets drunk and ends up on the front lawn, naked.
[01:14:38] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait, wrong video.
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[01:16:28] <r00t4rd3d> WillenCMD, whats happening?
[01:16:45] <r00t4rd3d> do you see any smoke yet?
[01:20:34] <WillenCMD> well i got the rtai working
[01:20:45] <WillenCMD> now im going to update to rtai-3.9
[01:20:51] <WillenCMD> then install hal
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[01:34:46] <Tom_itx> anyone familiar with the old sears atlas lathe?
[01:40:54] <tjb1> Im thinking I need to reverse my Z axis...
[01:42:09] <tjb1> Someone care to give input on this idea
[01:42:56] <tjb1> Current z-axis - http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/580257_4393785638773_1073429308_n.jpg and the current frame - http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/242348_4373987783839_52552144_o.jpg
[01:46:20] <Tom_itx> you mean reverse the direction?
[01:46:53] <tjb1> I mean put remove the plate holding the two linear rails
[01:47:09] <tjb1> and bolt the plate to the carriages instead of the extrusion to the carriages
[01:47:15] <tjb1> So the motor and everything move up and down
[01:47:28] <Tom_itx> why?
[01:48:00] <tjb1> To get the travel I need, I have to make these long aluminum plates…like the one the linear rails are on
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[01:48:24] <tjb1> and currently if I switch to router, I will have to move the whole z axis assembly up or down
[01:49:19] <tjb1> The long down plate isnt a problem with plasma but with router I am having doubts that a piece of 4x1/2" aluminum will be strong enough
[01:49:39] <tjb1> Do you follow?
[01:49:49] <Tom_itx> not entirely
[01:50:05] <tjb1> let me take two pictures here and it should explain it
[01:51:52] <tjb1> http://www.facebook.com/images/spacer.gif
[01:51:58] <tjb1> Sorry not that link
[01:52:01] <tjb1> http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/320464_4394173648473_1602412952_n.jpg
[01:53:26] <tjb1> Mount that side to the carriages instead of the back extrusion and then mount the router/torch like this - http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/420447_4394172608447_148698795_n.jpg
[01:55:35] <tjb1> Do you follow now Tom_itx ?
[01:57:33] <tjb1> I would lose about 1.5" of Z clearance but it should be much strong as far as mounting the router goes
[01:59:59] <Tom_itx> hmm
[02:00:17] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure it would be more rigid either way
[02:00:31] <Jymmm\AE> WOOHOO! Got the Fire Control Computer video!!
[02:00:32] <tjb1> What it boils down to, I dont have to make drop plates to get past the acme screw support and everything
[02:00:45] <tjb1> plus all the travel I want/need
[02:00:56] <Tom_itx> moving the motor will fatigue the wires sooner
[02:01:02] <Tom_itx> are you gonna put them in a cradle?
[02:01:02] <tjb1> If I flip it, all the tools ride on the extrusion which is going to be stronger than any drop plate I make
[02:01:10] <tjb1> I have energy chain
[02:01:22] <Tom_itx> guess it's your call then
[02:01:32] <Tom_itx> i'd probably make the plate spacers myself
[02:01:49] <tjb1> Whys that?
[02:03:03] <Tom_itx> you'd be moving more mass for one thing
[02:03:28] <Tom_itx> if you flipped it
[02:03:31] <tjb1> The current way I am mounting it, I already have to drop the z assembly at least 1-2" for the floating Z to work. If I mount it like it currently is, the absolute bottom travel I can get is with everything extended
[02:03:40] <tjb1> The screw is a 1/2-10 single start
[02:03:57] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure
[02:04:27] <tjb1> Well I sure am glad the floating z plate holes match up to the extrusion :D at least I wont have to redo that
[02:04:53] <tjb1> Just really have to drill 6 holes to test this and get bolts
[02:05:55] <tjb1> My mounting plate is going to look like swiss cheese
[02:07:24] <toastyde1th> fixture plates usually wind up that way, yeah
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[02:15:29] <FinboySlick> Holy expletive and curseword!
[02:15:42] <FinboySlick> My mill is a crummy design.
[02:18:49] <tjb1> Its always crummy when you find something better
[02:20:10] <FinboySlick> Ended up shimming about 0.012" under the Z axis to get it perpendicular in the X direction. An extra 0.007" to get it perpendicular in the Y direction. I'm all proud of myself, ~0.00025 deviation on both sides of the square...
[02:20:20] <FinboySlick> Then I check for tramming of the head.
[02:20:33] <FinboySlick> Zero adjustment in the X direction.
[02:20:47] <FinboySlick> None, zip. The thing is pinned and can't rotate.
[02:21:09] <tjb1> remove pin, problem solved
[02:21:15] <FinboySlick> The spindle is in a cast iron sleeve that's way too tight for adjustments.
[02:21:54] <FinboySlick> tjb1: That's for another day, yes.
[02:22:17] <FinboySlick> But I'm still pretty darn disappointed.
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[02:32:14] <lwizardl> djdelorie, still around
[02:32:29] <djdelorie> yes you are
[02:33:40] <lwizardl> was it you that said you was making a note to test your machine on cardboard ?
[02:34:03] <djdelorie> not any time soon though ;-)
[02:34:24] <lwizardl> yeah I figured that, just was making notes on who it was to ask later
[02:34:45] <djdelorie> very much later, the way my schedule works...
[02:35:10] <lwizardl> thats cool it will be around tax refund time before I could work on building my machine
[02:35:22] <lwizardl> til then its just research
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[02:54:05] <r00t4rd3d> learn cad/cam in the meantime
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[03:02:00] <tjb1> Seriously what the f…cant stream 360p on college internet
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[03:10:35] <lwizardl> r00t4rd3d, yeah trying to learn blender currently. I have about 300 video tutorials to watch and try
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[03:12:13] <r00t4rd3d> why blender?
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[03:23:29] <FinboySlick> The blender game engine is quite a bit of fun to play with.
[03:24:07] <mutilator> so..... i'm in the market for a home mill, like 2k budget, any recommendations?
[03:24:36] <Tom_itx> what do you want to cut with it?
[03:24:47] <mutilator> wood and plastics
[03:24:51] <mutilator> maybe aluminum
[03:28:21] <FinboySlick> mutilator: From another beginner: Aluminium is not a very good material to start milling on ;)
[03:30:13] <mutilator> yea i dont have any plans but maybe
[03:30:45] <jdh> big mill, little mill, router type of thing, new, used, homebuilt
[03:31:34] <mutilator> i figured a 2k budget would kind of guide the size/quality
[03:32:14] <mutilator> http://probotix.com/FireBall_v90_cnc_router_kit/
[03:32:17] <FinboySlick> mutilator: If you go cheap chinese: make sure you can adjust it!
[03:32:18] <mutilator> like this was recommended
[03:32:41] <mutilator> but the guy who recommended it had never used it, it was just his 'choice' after looking
[03:35:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.microcarve.com/mcMV1.html
[03:36:26] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: That's a cute little thing.
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[03:37:42] <r00t4rd3d> i got the plans for a simular design
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[03:38:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/diy-cnc_router_table_machines/134221-microcarve_mv2_plans_files.html
[03:39:11] <r00t4rd3d> that could be made very easy
[03:57:11] <BHSPiMonkey> if I had a 2k budget, I'd blow it on a 3d printer instead :D
[03:57:30] <FinboySlick> BHSPiMonkey: But with a mill you can make one.
[03:57:53] <r00t4rd3d> i could build a 4'x8' cnc router for 2k
[03:58:01] <r00t4rd3d> and have change
[03:58:02] <jdh> I have less than $2k in my G0704
[03:58:12] <jdh> everything new
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[04:01:34] <tjb1> Including the G0704? :D
[04:02:02] <jdh> yep
[04:02:18] <jdh> and ballscrews
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[04:06:29] <tjb1> Wonder how the BP clone is
[04:06:35] <tjb1> http://www.grizzly.com/products/9-x-42-Vertical-Mill-w-Power-Feed/G9901
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[04:49:29] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMK45nYx4oc
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[06:33:38] <uw> morning morning morning yay first
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[06:45:51] <WillenCMD> i doubt there is anyone on here at this time a night to answer this but, after i build and install rtai, if i re-make my kernel and change settings i don't have to build it again do i?
[06:46:13] <WillenCMD> build rtai again not the kernel
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[07:27:26] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:54:51] * mrsun has a problem .. i have a house .. and a foundation ... problem is that the house stands on H beams on the side of the foundation .. with about 1.5 meters sticking out on each side, i need to move this house over the foundation without resorting to a mobile crane ... to little space for machines to move around the sides of the foundation ... :/
[07:56:06] <archivist> there are sliding jacks for that sort of work
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[07:58:26] <archivist> http://www.billboley.co.uk/
[08:00:56] <mrsun> i wonder how far out the insulation on the house foundation goes, dont know if that manages to carry the load or if it gets destroyed under the gravel else i was thinking of using palettes and wooden beams to slide it over the foundation then lift it down gently with hydraulic jacks
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[08:02:23] <mrsun> 1200x400 .. and i guess its laying so that it sticks out 400 .. that would give me a working area of 1 meter on each side, that realy should be enough
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[08:02:49] <mrsun> just make some sliding shoes for the H beams so they dont dig into the wood and drag the thing over :P
[08:03:31] <mrsun> i freakin hate working with this heavy stuff .. the move of the house (about 20km on small roads) went fine atleast =)
[08:03:43] <mrsun> alot of moving damage inside tho :(
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[08:04:15] <archivist> rollers and winches, dot forget winches both ends so it does not run away
[08:04:57] <mrsun> dont like rollers :P
[08:05:03] <archivist> I do :)
[08:05:10] <mrsun> it should slide just fine with some force steel to wood
[08:05:20] <mrsun> with sliding shoes under the H beams like i said
[08:05:37] <archivist> I move all my machinery with rollers
[08:05:40] <mrsun> alot of good friction so it just wont go =)
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[08:06:37] <archivist> a brake winch as well as a pulling winch
[08:07:00] <mrsun> it has to move 6 meters sideways also =)
[08:07:56] <archivist> weight?
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[08:10:05] <mrsun> archivist, well read some figures that its about 250kg/m2 so about 13 tonnes
[08:10:23] <mrsun> the one driving yesterday thought it was about 10 - 11 tones
[08:10:24] <archivist> not too heavy then
[08:10:36] <mrsun> tonn
[08:10:43] <mrsun> stupid .. ton = 900kg ... tonn = 1000kg :P
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[08:10:49] <mrsun> its the 1000 kg variety :P
[08:10:53] <mrsun> archivist, nah
[08:11:02] <archivist> ton =2240lbs!
[08:11:47] <mrsun> 2024.6lb is the tonnes i talk about :P
[08:11:53] <mrsun> 2202
[08:11:55] <mrsun> 2204
[08:11:57] <mrsun> dammit =)
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[08:12:21] <archivist> the two are closer than you think
[08:13:39] <Jymmm\AE> archivist: I wasn't sure if you were around earlier, but did you see the "Fire Control Computer" link?
[08:14:03] <archivist> Jymmm\AE, yes, too long for me to watch
[08:14:33] <Jymmm\AE> archivist: Ah, yeah 40m.
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[08:15:25] <archivist> stupid isp and their 10gb a month or charge extra
[08:15:40] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/230725 configuration is like that, where the grey is the foundation, blue is the house and red is the H beams =)
[08:15:46] <Jymmm\AE> ouch
[08:15:54] <mrsun> so just need to be lifted up above the foundation and slided sideways i think =)
[08:18:09] <mrsun> the one building the foundation should have waited with putting the insulation in place ... so we would have a good solid ground to do this thing on =)
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[08:22:07] <archivist> I build tracks of some sort to spread the load and run along, often wood
[08:23:00] <archivist> also under the track will be a load spreader if the ground needs it
[08:25:53] <archivist> I hope you are taking pictures :)
[08:26:27] <mrsun> archivist, i am the move ive taken pictures of, the first part of the move i wasnt with on .. and that was good cause iw ould have had a heart attack :P
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[08:26:46] <mrsun> my nerves doesnt like houses flying 1.5 meters above ground with below center lifting point :P
[08:27:10] <mrsun> between two loaders
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[09:31:40] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[10:21:45] <pilla_> Hi :) Sorry for poofing yesterday
[10:22:04] <pilla_> My prof came in and was all like "hi I need that pc for my class"
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[10:26:34] <pilla_> How to figure out if a certain CNC miller (the CNC3020t in this case) has a home switch?
[10:27:01] <archivist> your eyes
[10:27:28] <pilla_> Where to look :)
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[10:28:41] <Loetmichel> usually ant the end of the Travel
[10:28:49] <Loetmichel> mostly on the left end ;-)
[10:29:03] <archivist> next you will be wanting us to come over and look for you
[10:29:20] <pilla_> :D
[10:30:27] <pilla_> Sorry for being an absolute noob ;) I'm interested in learning, but I'm coming from absolutely nowhere
[10:31:24] <archivist> I understand, but for some things one has to actually look at the item or read its manual
[10:32:03] <archivist> or even take it apart to see how it works
[10:32:08] <pilla_> The problem is that it came without manual
[10:32:23] <pilla_> And I don't think my prof would be amused if I took it apart
[10:33:10] <pilla_> So I guess that if the cable that goes into the control box has 4 pins, there should be a home switch? ...right?
[10:33:56] <archivist> one of these ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3020-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-/110698918637
[10:34:12] <pilla_> Yep
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[10:36:07] <pilla_> I can't seem to find much (with explanation that I understand) info about it
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[10:38:39] <archivist> that ebay link has a manual you can download
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[10:39:47] <pilla_> I completely overlooked that big suspicious red text. Thank you!
[10:40:28] <archivist> now you realise what using ones eyes is about :)
[10:41:53] <archivist> now do some exploration on the back of your control box and follow the limit socket and any wiring
[10:44:20] <pilla_> My control box seems to be different. No Limit-In port
[10:44:56] <archivist> the ebay auction also has enough pictures to show any limit switches...none
[10:45:13] <pilla_> The manual itself has a picture with a limit-in port
[10:45:24] <archivist> I saw that
[10:45:46] <archivist> so just manually home the machine
[10:46:13] * archivist has to go out
[10:46:25] <pilla_> ty :)
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[10:51:26] <pilla_> so actually it seems I have to control my spindle directly, I have 3 axes with 4 pins into control box. As a parallel cable has place for some input ports, it shouldn't be too difficult to build in a home switch? Might be a good project after I understand what I'm doing XD
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[11:49:47] <mk0> djdelorie, is that you tried to install sim on 12.04 yesterday?
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[12:20:03] <mutilator> really to me something i could just mount my dremel inside would be nice
[12:25:50] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.microcarve.com/mcMV1.html
[12:25:55] <r00t4rd3d> mutilator, ^^
[12:26:29] <r00t4rd3d> Not sure how you went from a 2k budget to Dremel but whatever.
[12:28:04] <mutilator> yea
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[12:30:03] <r00t4rd3d> you would be better off with a proxxon
[12:31:01] <r00t4rd3d> My buddy grinds his toe nails with a dremel.
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[12:34:27] <mutilator> heh
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[12:35:41] <mutilator> well i really dont know what i'm looking for, something to start with figured i;d just set a lowish price and see what it brought me and go from there
[12:36:23] <skunkworks> logger[psha],
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[12:45:51] <Tom_itx> dremel does not make a mill
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[12:48:58] <archivist> unless you take out the dremels motor and remount in a sensible case with better bearings
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[12:54:32] <jdh> bah... spindle snobs.
[12:55:05] <jdh> dremel is fine as long as you are aware of it being a dremel and don't expect more than dremel quality.
[12:55:32] <skunkworks> heh
[12:56:19] <archivist> I had one let go at full revs one day :)
[12:56:37] <jdh> cool, what parts went flying?
[12:57:08] <archivist> a segment fell out the commutator
[12:57:32] <syyl_tb-> duck and cover? ;)
[12:57:33] <archivist> I do prefer them to the proxon rubbish
[12:57:47] <syyl_tb-> i prefer a real spindle...
[12:58:13] <archivist> the part didnt come out the case so was a safe death
[12:58:14] <syyl_tb-> one can build a spindle for cheap, that stands a lot more than a dremel/proxxon
[12:58:40] <jdh> you want to put a $2000 0.0001" runout 40krpm spindle on an MDF machine with sloppy acme screws?
[12:59:04] <syyl_tb-> i would build a spindle for 100 bucks
[12:59:09] <archivist> ER spindle and a rc bldc motor
[12:59:24] <syyl_tb-> for example
[12:59:43] <syyl_tb-> or overturn a normal asynchronus motor
[12:59:53] <jdh> that would be a good second spindle.
[12:59:58] <jdh> or third.
[12:59:58] <syyl_tb-> or build a spindle with flat belt drive..
[13:00:00] <syyl_tb-> or...
[13:00:03] <syyl_tb-> whatever :D
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[13:07:49] <jdh> what kind of bearings/blocks for a mounting an ER spindle?
[13:08:20] <Loetmichel> depends
[13:08:41] <Loetmichel> my small spindles have two simple 608zz
[13:09:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13221&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 <- will be mounted here:
[13:09:24] <archivist> preload them a bit, should be good enough for most work
[13:09:33] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12797
[13:09:57] <Loetmichel> instead of the proxxon shaft
[13:10:20] <Loetmichel> will be loohing like this when done: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12846
[13:10:31] <Loetmichel> looking.
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[13:10:48] <Loetmichel> just with some 2mm lexan cover
[13:11:08] <jdh> if you are willing to use a dremel/proxxon, you probably don't have any way to make bearing blocks or associated hardware.
[13:11:42] <jdh> just the two radial bearings?
[13:11:45] <Loetmichel> all you need is a small lathe and a file ;)
[13:11:51] <Loetmichel> jdh: right
[13:12:09] <Loetmichel> (and a drill/tap)
[13:13:25] <skunkworks> we are using a wheel balancing motor for one spindle (10kish rpm iirc)
[13:13:27] <Loetmichel> but the dremel motors are not suitable to mount in another case because the case IS the motor
[13:13:54] <Loetmichel> i.e: if you omit the case the motor has no bearing blocks left
[13:13:56] <jdh> how do you handle the axial load?
[13:14:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=284
[13:14:11] <archivist> I have an ER16 on a 1/2" shaft here waiting for a round tuit to be made into a cheap spindle
[13:14:35] <Loetmichel> jdh: a bit if axial load isnt a problem for 2 preloaded radial bearings
[13:14:45] <Loetmichel> especially if biog enough
[13:14:48] <Loetmichel> big
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[13:15:47] <jdh> just load the 'outside' of each bearing?
[13:16:30] <jdh> I see cheapish er16/20 spindle shafts on ebay, but all chinese.
[13:16:31] <Loetmichel> no, the inside
[13:17:18] <Loetmichel> outside sits in the bearing block , inside is pressed together by the er11 shaft/the coupling
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[13:18:07] <Loetmichel> it may be a good idea to throw a small rubber o-ring between upper bearing and coupling to get some kind of smothed force even if the shaft heats up
[13:18:26] <Loetmichel> and elongates
[13:19:41] <archivist> could use three cheap bearings, two at head end with a shim to set preload and one sliding at the rear
[13:20:58] <Loetmichel> could. but for an er11 shaft that would be "using cannons to shoot sparrows" like we say in germany ;-)
[13:22:08] <jdh> I'll have to consider that for an add-on high speed spindle.
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[13:23:25] <Loetmichel> i thinkt the corresonding english proverb woud be "to break a fly on the wheel", right?
[13:23:40] <Loetmichel> +p
[13:23:48] <archivist> but for cheap angular contact bearings designed for preload car wheel bearings
[13:24:41] <archivist> no, it is "use a sledge hammer to crack a nut"
[13:25:00] <Loetmichel> archivist: ok, noted ;-)
[13:26:34] <archivist> an edible nut that is, not a large rusted up threaded nut where a sledge does get used :)
[13:27:02] <Loetmichel> i had imagined that ;-)
[13:27:16] <Loetmichel> i am not THAT blonde (any more) ;-)
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[13:28:13] <pcw_home> also "use a hammer to swat a fly"
[13:30:12] <Loetmichel> pcw_home: if oyu can swat a (living) fly with a hammer you are a VERY skilled person :)
[13:30:36] <Loetmichel> ... and FAST ;-)
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[13:34:08] <FinboySlick> archivist: I got the column lined up.
[13:34:45] <FinboySlick> It took quite a bit more shimming than I expected.
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[13:47:57] <ScribbleJ> The flies around here have lost their will to live. They don't even try to get out of the way. I don't understand it.
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[14:02:49] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: http://a.d-cd.net/ecd9cu-960.jpg http://a.d-cd.net/552d9cu-960.jpg
[14:03:41] <Loetmichel> ScribbleJ: Heizung kaputt?
[14:03:49] <Loetmichel> wenns kalt wird werden fliegen langsam ;-)
[14:03:54] <Loetmichel> oh sorry
[14:04:18] <Loetmichel> ScribbleJ: heater dead? if it gets cold the flys get slow
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[14:05:11] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: simply a table with laptop, and couple of bikes
[14:06:21] <mazafaka> which could produce true German excitement though :)
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[14:30:32] <archivist> FinboySlick, good
[14:31:02] <FinboySlick> archivist: The head is still way out of tram though, and it's pinned in place, bastards :P
[14:33:26] <archivist> also double check methods, did the column shimming put the head out, can you measure spindle axis to z axis properly
[14:36:42] <FinboySlick> archivist: Hmmmm... I'm sure any movement in the column put the head out, Doesn't look all that much worse than before I straightened it though. Maybe it was misaligned in the other directions.
[14:37:27] <FinboySlick> archivist: I've got an indicator in the spindle doing a ~4" circle on the table.
[14:38:19] <FinboySlick> I think the worse measurement is about 0.01" difference side to side.
[14:41:19] <archivist> I did see the amount you shimmed the column, seems a lot
[14:41:34] <archivist> did you over do it
[14:42:15] <FinboySlick> archivist: It was progressive.
[14:42:18] <archivist> what we cannot know is how the chinese make the machine
[14:42:35] <syyl_tb-> chiseling?
[14:42:42] <syyl_tb-> at least my lathe looked like that..
[14:43:55] <archivist> for a 1k$ machine I expect shite but not 8K machine
[14:44:36] <syyl_tb-> thats the problem :/
[14:46:17] <archivist> have they just fitted the Z rails to the column incorrectly
[14:48:44] <FinboySlick> archivist: I wouldn't dare touching the rails anyway but it doesn't look like it.
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[14:50:11] <archivist> I would be using a level like I linked yesterday to check them with reference to the bed
[14:52:30] <FinboySlick> archivist: Travel along both sides of the square is spot on.
[14:53:10] <archivist> and reverse the square retest
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[14:53:21] <FinboySlick> That's what I mean by both sides.
[14:54:45] <FinboySlick> I measured error in the square to be about half a thou over 6"
[14:56:29] <FinboySlick> So I tweaked until I had a quarter thou on both the forward and reverse test.
[14:56:47] <archivist> ok
[14:56:59] <FinboySlick> (I can get that difference just tightening the bolts a tad more/less.
[14:57:34] <archivist> or just pushing the column with your little finger
[14:58:00] <FinboySlick> I'll have to check that ;)
[14:59:03] <archivist> it is an "interesting" check
[14:59:43] <FinboySlick> archivist: I either have a rigidity problem in the mill or my finger if that works.
[14:59:49] <archivist> everything is elastic, it is just the amount
[15:00:41] <archivist> it is why professional machines have huge columns
[15:01:21] <FinboySlick> Yeah. This one is a fairly large cast-iron piece considering the size of the machine.
[15:01:49] <FinboySlick> I'll definitely try your finger check when I get home tonight though.
[15:02:39] <archivist> my 5 axis would spring about 9 thou when first built, I had to stiffen the column
[15:03:08] <FinboySlick> One thing that surprised me while shimming is that it stood on its own despite the bolt being loosened, I had to tilt it to insert the shim. I expected it to nod forward due to the weight of the head.
[15:03:44] <FinboySlick> I think this has to do with the 'counterweight' spring though.
[15:04:09] <archivist> I have a test indicator on a stand that works to 100ths of a thou and that senses a little finger easily even though it has a solid column
[15:06:32] <FinboySlick> archivist: I believe you... I'll be pretty happy when I get to the point where I can/need to measure within 1/100 thou.
[15:07:10] <archivist> never had a lot of use for it at all
[15:08:07] <pcw_home> thats less than a wavelength of light
[15:08:53] <FinboySlick> archivist: I'm not too keen on having to remove the head... I guess it'll be the weekend project.
[15:09:25] <archivist> its main use is teaching me how flexible a bit of steel is
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[15:11:51] <archivist> which reminds me, who has hidden my gauge blocks...not seen them for a long while
[15:15:24] <mrsun> hmm friction steel to steel is 0.0005m, steel on wood is 0.0056m
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[15:35:53] <mutilator> r00t4rd3d?
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[16:19:06] <mutilator> ok
[16:19:07] <mutilator> so
[16:20:07] <mutilator> this fireball v90 has mounts for 3 diff spindles, bosch colt, dwealt 611 and rigid 2401
[16:20:22] <mutilator> looks like each have their own issues (thought i cant find much on rigid at all)
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[16:42:35] <IchGuckLive> Hi all :D
[16:43:29] <tjb1> ello.
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[16:44:44] <IchGuckLive> tjb1: rail holepitch found
[16:45:00] <tjb1> Yeah I got that part made…I have to rework my Z axis though
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[16:49:10] <IchGuckLive> Oftopic someone knows how to get in openoffice calc out of A1=18 ,B1=24 -> 18:24
[16:51:58] <skunkworks> =a1&":"b1
[16:52:03] <skunkworks> =a1&":"&b1
[16:52:20] <IchGuckLive> there is a time Fx
[16:52:26] <IchGuckLive> Thanks
[16:52:34] <IchGuckLive> =ZEIT(E1;F1;0)
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[17:00:16] <tjb1> Cant wait until tomorrow!
[17:00:19] <tjb1> Gonna be awesome
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[17:18:17] <ffifrit> Hi, I have a question about linuxcnc. I was planning to use it commercially but I don't understand the GNU license. Is it possible?
[17:21:08] <IchGuckLive> ffifrit: ask this in linuxcnc-devel channel
[17:21:19] <ffifrit> Thanks
[17:21:19] <IchGuckLive> there are the DEVs
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[18:13:03] <cradek> ffifrit: none of us here can give your company legal advise, but can you be more specific about which clause in the GPL you don't understand?
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[18:15:32] <cpresser> ffifrit: basically you are able to sell a GPLed Software. But you are required to provide the full source code on request. But if you actually want to sell it, ask a lawyer :)
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[18:21:33] <djdelorie> fiffrit: and remember, Richard Stallman used to make a living selling Free Software. If he can do it, you can too :-)
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[18:54:34] <WillenCMD> So built rtai on gentoo last night, and im seeing some seriously atrocious latencies
[18:54:46] <WillenCMD> Im hoping its just a kernel config setting or a driver
[18:55:40] <WillenCMD> The kernel seems to load every driver known to man, how do i edit the drivers and modules it loads? i disabled everything that didn't apply to my pc in the config
[18:56:10] <andypugh> Does it seem reasonable to limit the LCD display driver I am working on to 19 decimal digits?
[18:56:19] <cradek> it's usually a bios setting or hardware problem.
[18:56:34] <andypugh> (you probably want a decimal point, and I don't know of many more than 20 chars wide)
[18:56:49] <WillenCMD> I know its not a hardware or bios issue because using the linuxcnc distro of ubuntu 10.04 i see great latencies with no overruns
[18:57:06] <cradek> aha, problem solved then :-)
[18:57:12] <WillenCMD> lol
[18:57:44] <andypugh> The reason being that I can get 19 decimal digits into a long int, and eliminate a bunch of floating point operations.
[18:57:50] <WillenCMD> nevertheless im still stumped
[18:58:41] <WillenCMD> Im thinking it could be a video driver error
[18:58:55] <WillenCMD> that is i haven't configured it yet to make sure it was using the right one
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[19:25:17] <alex_joni> WillenCMD: you probably need to rebuilt the kernel
[19:25:23] <alex_joni> and try to disable most of ACPI
[19:25:32] <alex_joni> but be warned that it's a daunting process
[19:25:47] <alex_joni> so you might not get it right in the first 2-3 tries
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[20:03:56] <sliptonic> JT-Shop: I'm starting to tune the configuration for my machine. I've calculated the scale value for the hal block but I'm confused by the 'scale=8000' in the .ini file.
[20:04:06] <sliptonic> I don't see documentation of that in the manual.
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[20:32:12] <tjb1> sliptonic: servo or stepper?
[20:32:53] <tjb1> Regardless…Page 22 - http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/LinuxCNC_Integrator_Manual.pdf
[20:33:07] <tjb1> Actual page 22, not page 22 of the PDF itself.
[20:37:24] <tjb1> or if that PDF is too big to download, here is a SS of that page - https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3090951/Screen%20Shot%202012-10-03%20at%204.36.44%20PM.png
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[20:52:17] <tjb1> sliptonic: Did you get those?
[20:55:56] <WillenCMD> +alex_joni: tell me about it i have rebuild the kernel 3 times already and i can't stand waiting for it
[21:00:37] <WillenCMD> where can i find the standord rtai config used by linux cnc
[21:00:55] <WillenCMD> the one that is used by the built cd's
[21:01:29] <tjb1> Somewhere on the internet
[21:01:32] <tjb1> :)
[21:02:53] <WillenCMD> thanks for narrowing it down for me
[21:02:59] <tjb1> No problem!
[21:03:06] <WillenCMD> now i don't have to check the car or my house
[21:03:26] <micges> WillenCMD: in /boot directory
[21:04:36] <micges> http://www.filebin.ca/Hs3WrtXtY3w/config-2.6.32-122-rtai
[21:05:06] <skunkworks> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=infrastructure.git;a=tree;f=livecd/kernels/hardy;h=630b19a6b1f3b7d43ba1dbc46fa988beadbca8d5;hb=HEAD
[21:05:15] <skunkworks> maybe?
[21:05:35] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:06:37] <WillenCMD> micges: thanks
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[21:07:31] <WillenCMD> i have been trying to compare xenomai against rtai, but i haven't been able to find any benchmark comparison's, just individual's thoughts on the two
[21:08:40] <micges> what are you compare? latency?
[21:09:11] <WillenCMD> yes, xenomai seems like a pretty good alternative
[21:09:34] <WillenCMD> also they seem to keep updates more regular than rtai
[21:10:03] <micges> yes
[21:10:23] <micges> but latency is little worse
[21:10:31] <WillenCMD> thats what i have heard
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[21:11:12] <micges> probably there will be xenomai support in 2.6.0
[21:11:13] <sliptonic> tjb1: Sorry, stepped away to the machine for a bit. Thanks.
[21:11:24] <micges> and rt-preempt also
[21:11:44] <WillenCMD> i also feel rtai has a more broad API spectrum than xenomai, being that it also supports Python and includes a hefty set of examples.
[21:11:47] <micges> I hope we will have enough time to do this ;)
[21:12:59] <WillenCMD> the more i learn, the more i wan't to do more, how much of an undertaking would a port to the new 3.0 kernel take, as far as i can see it isn't even being discussed by the rtai developers
[21:13:39] <micges> it was
[21:14:01] <micges> Paolo said that he is working on supporting 3.x kernels by rtai
[21:14:31] <micges> but he also said that he has many 'daytime' duties
[21:14:33] <cradek> he's talked about it for many months and says he has parts done
[21:14:36] <andypugh> In fact, he was going to spend August at it.
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[21:14:58] <r00t4rd3d> vertical mouse, not mine:
[21:14:58] <WillenCMD> is there a blog you follow?
[21:14:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/TeZxT.jpg
[21:15:09] <cradek> the rtai mailing list
[21:15:23] <WillenCMD> ahhh, i guess i'll sign up
[21:16:00] <r00t4rd3d> no luck with gentoo?
[21:16:17] <WillenCMD> no, i got it up and running, but horrible latency... i was up untill 3 in the morning
[21:16:21] <WillenCMD> thats 2 nights in a row
[21:16:25] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[21:16:35] <WillenCMD> its alot of fun though
[21:16:40] <r00t4rd3d> oh im sure
[21:16:44] <WillenCMD> so challenging, i can't tear my self away
[21:17:01] <WillenCMD> seriously the more problems i have with something the more i want to know about it
[21:17:07] <r00t4rd3d> the first couple times building stuff from scratch is sorta fun.
[21:18:33] <WillenCMD> my mom works for Elsevier the publishing company, i was about to buy a the 3rd edition of http://www.amazon.com/Embedded-Real-time-Applications-Edition-Technology/dp/0124159966/ref=dp_ob_title_bk
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[21:18:55] <WillenCMD> then i realized it was her company, called her up and got a free copy :)
[21:19:07] <WillenCMD> not "her company" but her employer
[21:19:21] <WillenCMD> i can't wait to read it
[21:19:36] <r00t4rd3d> probably wont be that useful
[21:19:43] <WillenCMD> i read an entier C programming book on my trip to chicago 2 weeks ago
[21:19:48] <WillenCMD> entire*
[21:20:06] <r00t4rd3d> that book is for embedded systems
[21:20:15] <WillenCMD> i know
[21:20:21] <r00t4rd3d> arm stuff
[21:20:25] <andypugh> That has a fair bit in common with HAL
[21:20:37] <WillenCMD> not all of it though
[21:20:38] <r00t4rd3d> im sure you would learn from it
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[21:20:59] <r00t4rd3d> but will it help you getting lxcnc running on gentoo? probably not.
[21:21:08] <WillenCMD> oh i know that
[21:21:29] <WillenCMD> im hoping it will help with my knowledge in real time system's and developing software for them
[21:21:53] <r00t4rd3d> becoming Linus's best friend would be a better endeavor.
[21:21:55] <WillenCMD> always looking to improve my linuxcnc sprinkler system latency
[21:22:21] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a raspberry pi?
[21:22:31] <WillenCMD> no, im not much of a deserts person
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[21:22:58] <WillenCMD> :)
[21:23:33] <WillenCMD> i do have a xilinx development board that i bought 6 months ago, and soon realized was over my head at the time
[21:24:35] <WillenCMD> but i have been reading some literature on and off, and i am about ready to dust it off, Im just in the middle of this linuxcnc main gui, new configuration program for hal
[21:25:07] <r00t4rd3d> I wonder if Linus could have LinuxCNC up and running on any distro in minutes....
[21:25:18] <r00t4rd3d> or atleast a rt kernel
[21:25:28] <WillenCMD> probably not, he's probably tired of hearing about it
[21:25:39] <r00t4rd3d> probably never hears about it
[21:25:45] <WillenCMD> linux that is
[21:25:57] <WillenCMD> it is strikingly similar to his last name
[21:26:04] <WillenCMD> or his first name
[21:26:09] <WillenCMD> what ever it is
[21:26:52] <WillenCMD> i do really like gentoo though, i feel like i have complete control over what i want installed
[21:27:02] <r00t4rd3d> odd
[21:27:20] <r00t4rd3d> your just most familiar with that distro most likely
[21:27:32] <WillenCMD> this is my first install of it
[21:27:37] <WillenCMD> i have only used ubuntu
[21:27:47] <r00t4rd3d> well that explains it then.
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[21:28:13] <WillenCMD> ubuntu was great to learn on though, because if you had problems you could easily find support
[21:28:38] <r00t4rd3d> yeah in the ruled like a nazi #ubuntu channel?
[21:28:54] <WillenCMD> i started to do LFS on saturday, but quickly became inpatient with that
[21:29:06] <r00t4rd3d> try Debian
[21:29:36] <r00t4rd3d> ubuntu is a made for retards shell that sits upon Debian
[21:29:37] <WillenCMD> no im going for my perfect build, using Qtile for a windows manager
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[21:30:36] <WillenCMD> and just customizing as much of it as possible, i wrote a nice little python scrip that captures the coordinates from the synaptic touch pad. You could use it to position your cnc lol
[21:30:58] <r00t4rd3d> I use a classic Nintendo controller
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[21:31:42] <r00t4rd3d> then play games with it on a emulator while I cut
[21:32:15] <WillenCMD> i only did it because my new laptop has a HUGE touch pad, i constantly hit it with my palms and i wanted to restrict the size of it.
[21:32:20] <WillenCMD> i can't stand it
[21:32:28] <WillenCMD> im going back to track ball
[21:32:38] <WillenCMD> or that erasor in the keyboard
[21:33:57] <WillenCMD> if only linux had a solid 3d cad software that resembled solid works
[21:34:18] <WillenCMD> i could completely get rid of windows
[21:34:47] <WillenCMD> FreeCad looks promising, but its not there yet
[21:35:39] <andypugh> What's happened to the banks? A friend of mine in France did an internet transfer of money to my account. It took less than 8 minutes to appear on my statement. They used to hide it somewhere for 3 days (or a week for international)
[21:36:44] <WillenCMD> its great
[21:37:03] <WillenCMD> i go months without touching cash or going to a bank
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[21:37:42] <WillenCMD> i remember going to the back every friday, only to have to wait untill monday to get the money deposited in my account
[21:37:47] <WillenCMD> bank*
[21:38:18] <WillenCMD> i was living pay check to pay check at that time, and those 2 days sucked
[21:39:26] <WillenCMD> Are there every LinuxCNC meetings or gatherings?
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[21:43:26] <WillenCMD> I asked yesterday but i would like to help update some documentation, is this available to select individuals only?
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[21:46:00] <andypugh> WillenCMD: There have been a few meet-ups in the US.
[21:46:16] <andypugh> There was even talk of one this year at Tormach (they invited us)
[21:47:00] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Is the chap to talk about docs with. He seems to do most of the docs work. I rather suspect he would be happy to have help.
[21:47:01] <WillenCMD> Thats neat
[21:47:28] <WillenCMD> There are a few things i would like to update while i still have them fresh in my mind
[21:47:48] <WillenCMD> but if JT-Shop is in charge forget it
[21:48:06] <WillenCMD> :)
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[21:49:18] <WillenCMD> One day i would like to be a developer for LCNC
[21:50:11] <r00t4rd3d> make a hal module, bing, your a dev.
[21:50:23] <WillenCMD> i have made several
[21:50:36] <andypugh> So, you're a dev :-)
[21:50:37] <r00t4rd3d> ok, make a useful hal module.
[21:50:46] <WillenCMD> a couple wouldnt be usefull lol
[21:50:48] <r00t4rd3d> that popular and a must have
[21:51:02] <WillenCMD> unless you are controlling a sprinkler system
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[21:51:37] <WillenCMD> Really? they are a breeze to make
[21:51:57] <WillenCMD> the hal component generator makes its really simple
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[21:52:34] <andypugh> Make your own user-interface. Oh, you did :-)
[21:53:22] <WillenCMD> yes, thanks to you in getting started
[21:53:37] <WillenCMD> so if i annoy anybody with my ramblings blame andy
[21:54:32] <r00t4rd3d> I made my buddy a stupid sign, his wife brought it to work with her, now I got to make 7 more.
[21:54:54] <WillenCMD> really? why would you want a sign that says stupid?
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[21:55:31] <r00t4rd3d> by stupid i meant not really artsy
[21:55:37] <r00t4rd3d> plain
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[21:55:53] <r00t4rd3d> I used the stupid half of my brains to make it
[21:55:56] <r00t4rd3d> so all of it
[21:55:58] <WillenCMD> i know, im just messing with you
[21:56:32] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/TAZVK.jpg
[21:56:41] <r00t4rd3d> stupid signage
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[21:58:27] <WillenCMD> looks like good a good piece of kindlin
[21:58:36] <WillenCMD> :)
[21:58:46] <r00t4rd3d> i was just testing a cut method
[21:59:40] <WillenCMD> keep working at it you will make something nice eventually
[21:59:47] <r00t4rd3d> probably
[21:59:49] <WillenCMD> lol
[22:00:11] <r00t4rd3d> just square and centered and I would probably be happy.
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[22:01:01] <andypugh> What's the wood?
[22:01:02] <WillenCMD> where is your signature?
[22:01:06] <r00t4rd3d> pine
[22:01:18] <r00t4rd3d> i ripped down a 2x6
[22:01:42] <WillenCMD> how long did that take to make
[22:01:42] <r00t4rd3d> will, i dont sign things
[22:01:52] <r00t4rd3d> hour and half
[22:01:58] <WillenCMD> machine time
[22:02:02] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[22:02:04] <ink_> looks nice
[22:02:22] <r00t4rd3d> it was done with a vbit so it took a while
[22:02:54] <WillenCMD> how did you square it up? touch off to the sides?
[22:03:01] <r00t4rd3d> eye balled it
[22:03:14] <r00t4rd3d> and the side rails i guess
[22:03:49] <r00t4rd3d> I didnt clamp it square and I didnt notice till half way done
[22:03:52] <WillenCMD> did you cross groove that to give it the darker look in the center?
[22:04:13] <r00t4rd3d> no just sanded the top after staining it all
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[22:04:27] <WillenCMD> ahh... Vcarve?
[22:04:34] <r00t4rd3d> Aspire
[22:05:04] <r00t4rd3d> which is basically vcarve, cut2d, cut3d all in one program
[22:05:21] <WillenCMD> yeah i found one of those cd's on the ground so i have all 3
[22:05:43] <r00t4rd3d> all you need is aspire 3.504 and you can do everything all the other programs do
[22:05:56] <WillenCMD> at the same time?
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[22:06:24] <r00t4rd3d> you can run multiple instances of it, so yeah.
[22:06:38] <WillenCMD> i want to make a guitar
[22:06:45] <WillenCMD> its on the todo list
[22:06:50] <r00t4rd3d> then let me smash your face with it
[22:07:11] <r00t4rd3d> ROCK AND ROLL DUDE!
[22:07:12] <tjb1> Face smashing eh
[22:07:17] <WillenCMD> ummm no... after that remark i don't think i'll let you play it
[22:07:43] <WillenCMD> who posted the video of the fly board on here the other day?
[22:08:14] <WillenCMD> i just happened to look before i went to bed clicked on the link and was blown away
[22:08:23] <r00t4rd3d> ive though about making a ukulele
[22:09:00] <WillenCMD> i prefer my acoustic guitar's over the electric, so maybe ill machine upa truss and try to build one of those
[22:09:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Stromberg-Voisinet_Buster_Brown_Banjo_Ukulele.jpg
[22:10:12] <r00t4rd3d> i bet that sounds good
[22:10:20] <WillenCMD> its missing 3 strings
[22:11:01] <WillenCMD> or 2 depending on what you prefer
[22:11:58] <WillenCMD> think rtai is fast enough to build an electronic guitar? linuxcnc guitar...
[22:12:11] <andypugh> Or 8
[22:14:20] <WillenCMD> wonder if the delay would be noticeable ? i had a line 6 variax guitar that actually worked very nicely for an synthesized guitar
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[22:19:25] <tjb1> Keep it on topic noobs.
[22:20:55] <r00t4rd3d> at least we have running machines.
[22:21:06] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[22:21:49] <WillenCMD> i agree, come back when you actually make something
[22:22:21] <WillenCMD> otherwise your just a waste of a space on the user scrollbar
[22:22:29] <r00t4rd3d> and not just pictures of an 8 ton z axis
[22:22:47] * tjb1 isnt cutting aluminum gantry supports anymore
[22:22:52] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[22:22:59] <WillenCMD> lol
[22:23:21] <r00t4rd3d> your going to need a V8 on all your axis to get them to move at a decent pace.
[22:23:29] <WillenCMD> hey if it doesn't work out, you could make a nice stage out of the base
[22:23:33] <tjb1> Y moves at 1920ipm...
[22:24:08] <r00t4rd3d> inches per millennium?
[22:24:22] <andypugh> Yikes, that would smart if you got in the way
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[22:25:02] <tjb1> So I can move the weight of your whole machine at 1900 ipm r00t4rd3d
[22:25:04] <tjb1> ;)
[22:25:04] <WillenCMD> alright folks, going to leave work now
[22:25:16] <tjb1> That little baby thing
[22:25:25] * Tom_itx gives WillenCMD a shove out the door
[22:25:47] * Tom_itx plops down in his chair
[22:26:09] <tjb1> Tom_itx: Im going to machine my re-made Z tomorrow :D
[22:26:16] <tjb1> Im excited to see how it will work out
[22:26:26] <Tom_itx> you mean your backwards z?
[22:26:40] <WillenCMD> now that Tom_itx is here i think i'll stay, i know how much he likes to gossip
[22:26:42] <tjb1> Yeah
[22:27:32] <Tom_itx> went to see an old friend today at his shop
[22:27:43] <WillenCMD> how long does he have left?
[22:28:01] <Tom_itx> he'll probably outlive you
[22:28:24] <WillenCMD> lol you said old, so i was picturing a walker with a toolcart mounted to it
[22:28:36] <Tom_itx> not hardly
[22:28:44] <WillenCMD> maybe a crescent wrench/ cane
[22:28:49] <Tom_itx> he still does machine work, races cars etc
[22:29:02] <WillenCMD> im just kidding
[22:29:03] <andypugh> You seem unusually boisterous tonnight Gabe
[22:29:23] <Tom_itx> maybe he got lucky
[22:29:43] <Tom_itx> wonder where JT's been
[22:29:45] <WillenCMD> i know, this is my only form of social stimuli...my wife works nights
[22:29:52] <Tom_itx> generally the backlog is full of his nick
[22:30:28] <WillenCMD> i have this Irc and my dogs... thats it
[22:30:44] <Tom_itx> andypugh you may like this... he purchased one of his cnc's back from the company he sold for $10
[22:31:03] <Tom_itx> it did need a new spindle
[22:31:03] <WillenCMD> really?
[22:31:28] <andypugh> Did he sell the company or the cnc?
[22:31:35] <andypugh> (Not quite getting it)
[22:31:36] <WillenCMD> lol
[22:31:39] <Tom_itx> he said since he sold it, they abuse the machines horribly
[22:31:44] <Tom_itx> andypugh both
[22:31:54] <Tom_itx> he retired and sold the company
[22:31:59] <andypugh> Ah. OK
[22:32:03] <Tom_itx> but still does some work for them
[22:32:17] <Tom_itx> and other contract work
[22:33:09] <Tom_itx> never pull maintenance on them or clean em etc
[22:33:09] <Tom_itx> just run em into the dirt. kinda makes me sad
[22:34:23] <tjb1> Ive gotten yelled at for cleaning chips out of the CNC before end of day...
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[22:41:28] <andypugh> There is a balance where machine time is worth more than machine life. I am not sure where that lies.
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[22:59:11] <tjb1> There wasnt enough time for me to even get the next operation started
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[23:33:31] <Gabe_W> so for some reason this kernel i configured loads an extensive amount of modules.. what do i need to edit to prevent this. There are only 2 in my /etc/conf.d/modules
[23:36:01] <andypugh> A lot of essential-ish stuff is modularised
[23:36:03] <cradek> the kernel is made to auto-load the modules it needs for your hardware
[23:44:11] <Gabe_W> sorry i was eating french fries couldn't type back
[23:44:16] <Gabe_W> thanks for the response
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[23:57:56] <Gabe_W> should i optimize for size?
[23:57:59] <Gabe_W> the kernel