#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-09-18

[00:01:49] <JT-Shop> I just mounted the button box
[00:01:59] <JT-Shop> starting to clean up the mess...
[00:02:00] <s1dev> looking at these small mills what's the difference between a #3 Morse Taper and an R8 taper?
[00:02:29] <Tom_itx> oh #3 is pretty weak
[00:02:33] <JT-Shop> morse is usually for drills like a tail stock on a lathe
[00:02:35] <Tom_itx> R8 has a drawbar
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[00:02:53] <JT-Shop> R8 is the typical bridgeport and clone type of collet
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[00:02:59] <Tom_itx> #3 won't hold much side force
[00:03:02] <Tom_itx> for milling
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[00:03:05] <s1dev> so R* is ideal?
[00:03:07] <s1dev> *8
[00:03:14] <Tom_itx> common
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[00:03:37] <Tom_itx> we used 40 and 50 taper
[00:04:06] <Tom_itx> so somewhere inbetween is good
[00:06:58] <s1dev> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TREE-10-1-2-x-42-VARIABLE-SPEED-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINE-2UVR-/160883320556?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item257564a6ec
[00:07:03] <s1dev> too bad it's in the wrong state
[00:08:15] <s1dev> and the wrong voltage as well
[00:10:34] <Tom_itx> does mesa make a small standalone vfd card?
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[00:12:33] <Tom_itx> most of those are likely gonna be 3 phase
[00:16:04] <djdelorie> why is 3-phase a problem?
[00:16:41] <Tom_itx> generally not run to residential addresses
[00:16:52] <Tom_itx> some cnc don't like phase inverters
[00:17:12] <djdelorie> even digital ones? I mean, my bldc motors are all three-phase...
[00:17:32] <Tom_itx> it's all generated though
[00:17:37] <Tom_itx> not from the supply
[00:18:16] <djdelorie> well yeah, but it's functionally the same as provided three-phase (and maybe cleaner ;) if done right
[00:20:07] <toastydeath> digital phase converters are okay for most machines
[00:20:17] * djdelorie wonders if my bldc drivers could drive my bridgeport...
[00:20:24] <toastydeath> 2% error is generally considered good enough for a cnc
[00:20:35] <toastydeath> in voltage between phases
[00:20:40] <djdelorie> 10% error is considered good enough for home power delivery...
[00:20:54] <toastydeath> there's only one phase
[00:21:03] <djdelorie> (good thing too :)
[00:21:21] <toastydeath> machines are a little more tolerant of total voltage error but not much
[00:21:24] <toastydeath> 5-6%
[00:21:56] <Tom_itx> we had the power company put a monitor on the feed for a couple weeks when the new shop was built
[00:22:01] <toastydeath> ^^ this
[00:22:13] <toastydeath> machine installers will do the same thing if you buy from a dealer
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[00:32:35] <JT-Shop> how can the voltage be wrong when you can pick between all three?
[00:33:37] <JT-Shop> s1dev: for a spindle motor 3hp and less you just get a VFD that is single phase in 3 phase out
[00:33:55] <JT-Shop> I use a GS2 as LinuxCNC has a driver for it
[00:34:08] <Tom_itx> jt does mesa have vfd's for small motors?
[00:34:22] <JT-Shop> I've not seen any
[00:34:22] <Tom_itx> i was thinking about my sherline spindle
[00:34:30] <JT-Shop> Automation Direct does
[00:34:34] <Tom_itx> someone said i could replace the pot with something
[00:34:39] <JT-Shop> is your sherline 3 phase?
[00:34:42] <Tom_itx> no
[00:34:47] <Tom_itx> dc motor
[00:34:51] <Tom_itx> 90v? maybe
[00:34:54] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[00:34:56] <JT-Shop> line voltage pot?
[00:35:02] <Tom_itx> no
[00:35:07] <Tom_itx> i don't think so
[00:35:13] <Tom_itx> i haven't torn into it yet
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[00:36:10] * JT-Shop looks at the mess around the BP and ponders cleaning up
[00:36:28] * djdelorie must be donig something right, as he just got a GS2 also...
[00:37:03] <L33TG33KG34R> tjb1: you were asking if someone here was slisgrinder?
[00:37:07] <tjb1> yes
[00:37:15] <L33TG33KG34R> why?
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[00:37:33] <tjb1> Thats you
[00:37:38] <L33TG33KG34R> yeah, just wondering
[00:38:02] <tjb1> Whats your problem with the 220v
[00:38:22] <L33TG33KG34R> well I need to use a VFD and it needs 220V
[00:38:59] <tjb1> yes
[00:39:12] <L33TG33KG34R> so I am pondering whether or not I should route a 12-3 wire from the panel or if I should use 2 existing plugs that are on either side of the 220V center tapped and gang my breaker
[00:39:33] <djdelorie> never use two separate plugs
[00:39:54] <L33TG33KG34R> why do you say that?
[00:40:01] <jdh> Tom_itx: http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=303
[00:40:08] <djdelorie> unplugging one doesn't make the machine safe to fiddle with
[00:40:32] <tronwizard> and can make the plug out dangerous
[00:40:34] <L33TG33KG34R> yes, I would need to unplug both
[00:40:44] <djdelorie> and if you plug one of of the two plugs in the "wrong" way or place, bad things might happen
[00:40:50] <JT-Shop> djdelorie: got the GS2 up and going?
[00:41:08] <djdelorie> not yet. Just got the BP delivered last week, the GS2 is still on the counter
[00:41:27] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/photos/bridgeport/
[00:41:38] <L33TG33KG34R> well, its really simple, take the hots of the 2 plugs and the ground and done. You have 220V with ground to connect to the VFD
[00:41:43] <JT-Shop> IIRC if you don't set the communication protocall they won't talk
[00:41:49] <Tom_itx> jdh, is the voltage divider in the manual speed control 0-10v?
[00:42:01] <djdelorie> first step is to just get a fixed speed working, the mill isn't CNC
[00:42:06] <jdh> Tom: dunno about yours, but most of them are.
[00:42:07] <Tom_itx> i haven't even taken it apart yet
[00:42:10] <tjb1> Im pretty sure you cant just take 2 hots and get 220
[00:42:18] <JT-Shop> was it that clean when you got it?
[00:42:23] <tjb1> You need to get the opposite hot wires off the transformer
[00:42:31] <tjb1> Otherwise youll just have 120v
[00:42:45] <djdelorie> yes, the only thing I've done with it so far is reassemble it
[00:43:01] <L33TG33KG34R> I know, I made sure the plugs are on the opposite side of the center tap from the breaker panel
[00:43:14] <JT-Shop> djdelorie: you can set it for 60 cycles and jsut use the manual speed changer
[00:43:19] <djdelorie> L33T: also, worry about ground loops, faults, etc. Please just run a new 12-3 to a dedicated outlet
[00:43:37] <L33TG33KG34R> that is what I will end up doing. Not my house to begin with
[00:43:54] <djdelorie> JT-Shop: that was the plan. The GS2 will eventually be shared with the lathe, once it has a 3-phase motor, to give it reversibility too.
[00:44:34] <ReadError> hey anyone here done a will-call order with mcmaster?
[00:44:37] <JT-Shop> ah it is a step pulley model
[00:44:43] <djdelorie> The BP is a potential CNC target, if I get to that point the GS2 will get to show its full functionality...
[00:44:46] <ReadError> ssi ?
[00:45:03] <jdh> Read: I have a friend in atlanta that does it, just goes and picks it up.
[00:45:17] <jdh> but, he also gets same-day UPS delivery if he orders early
[00:45:39] <ReadError> jdh
[00:45:42] <ReadError> i placed an order
[00:45:49] <ReadError> was just wondering if they send you an email
[00:45:53] <ReadError> like ohai its ready to be picked up
[00:45:56] <JT-Shop> djdelorie: nice clean BP
[00:45:57] <ReadError> or you just show up
[00:45:59] <jdh> oh, never asked.
[00:46:09] <djdelorie> I'd say "thanks" but it wasn't my doing ;-)
[00:46:12] <ReadError> i should throw in some endmills and stuff
[00:46:17] <ReadError> g10 kills them
[00:46:19] <ReadError> (fast)
[00:46:24] <JT-Shop> good score then
[00:46:33] <djdelorie> It was a one-owner machine, he took good care of it. Lots of oil throughout, too :-)
[00:46:48] <JT-Shop> lucky score then
[00:46:58] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[00:46:58] <djdelorie> and it was nearby, although it still took four hours and heavy equipment to move it to my shop
[00:47:15] * JT-Shop heads inside for the night
[00:47:20] <JT-Shop> see you guys later
[00:47:58] <ReadError> how much was shipping djdelorie?
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[00:50:26] <djdelorie> $425 to move it 10 miles or so, from his garage to my basement (the excavator guy again). Well worth it. it was a beast to lift and manage, and my basement is not a walk-in.
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[00:51:36] <Bigun913> hello all
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[00:54:08] <s1dev> djdelorie: what all was involved in moving it?
[00:54:16] <s1dev> how do you get it on the truck?
[00:54:33] <djdelorie> it had to be pulled out of they other guy's garage into the open, and he had a dirt driveway.
[00:54:51] <djdelorie> it had to be lifted onto a trailer, and it exceeded the strength of the excavator so it was done in two parts.
[00:54:52] <s1dev> how was that managed?
[00:55:17] <djdelorie> er, rollers, boards to slide on, and an expert touch with an excavator
[00:55:33] <Bigun913> Sorry to interrupt Can anyone here help me with tool touchoff
[00:55:34] <s1dev> and how was it moved into the basement?
[00:55:46] <djdelorie> then the two parts were lowered into my bulkhead, and shifted out of the way with an engine hoist
[00:56:03] <djdelorie> like this: http://www.delorie.com/photos/southbend-lathe/img_2418.html
[00:56:25] <djdelorie> (that stairwell is removable as a module, the excavator set it aside on the lawn)
[00:56:31] <jdh> Bigun: ask the question, someone might answer
[00:58:30] <Bigun913> I dont understand how to set up tool touchoff. I am new to linux. I have the machine running and cutting but would love to be able to do auto z setting. Can anyone point me to any resources or help?
[00:59:26] <Tom_itx> http://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/g-code/gen05.html
[00:59:29] <Tom_itx> yes
[01:00:35] <Bigun913> Tom_itx is that yes for me
[01:00:45] * Tom_itx nods
[01:02:33] <Bigun913> Would you chat
[01:03:25] <djdelorie> Bigun913: you *are* chatting...
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[01:04:26] <jdh> do you have fixed tool holders?
[01:04:38] <Bigun913> Ok I guess I am I meant Tom_itx would you like to chat privately so I dont tie up the channel?
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[01:05:33] <Tom_itx> no need
[01:05:36] <Tom_itx> just ask here
[01:05:38] <Bigun913> ok
[01:05:44] <Tom_itx> i'm in and out
[01:05:56] <Bigun913> ok
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[01:07:55] <Bigun913> I have a 48 by 48 cnc mill that I built from scratch. I have it up and running. I would like to do auto z setting but cant figure out the tool touchoff. I am new to linux and dont understand the process to setup touchoff.
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[01:08:32] <jdh> do you have a tool height setter, or do you have fixed tool holders?
[01:09:03] <Bigun913> I have a fixed tool holder
[01:09:22] <Bigun913> I am using a router
[01:09:36] <Tom_itx> so you need to reset the tool each tool change
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[01:10:05] <Tom_itx> you should read jt's guide
[01:10:07] <Bigun913> That is correct I would like to use a plate on the surface of the material and reset the z dim.
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[01:10:25] <Bigun913> where do i find it?
[01:10:34] <Tom_itx> in the link i gave you
[01:10:53] <Bigun913> the gnipsel.com?
[01:11:16] <Tom_itx> yup
[01:11:17] <jdh> that doesn't do auto setting.
[01:11:56] <jdh> http://softsolder.com/2010/04/14/emc2-ugliest-tool-length-probe-station-ever/
[01:12:08] <jdh> that uses a touch-off switch
[01:12:18] <Bigun913> I came from mach 3 and like linuxcnc much more but could never get the linits or toolsetting to work
[01:12:36] <djdelorie> limits are easy to do, but not as obvious to understand
[01:13:24] <Bigun913> I have changed to a c10 board and I think that was my major problem I had was the first board I used
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[01:14:51] <Bigun913> This new board was much simpler and seems to work much better
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[01:17:33] <Bigun913> Thanks for the pointers I am gonna go read those thanks!!
[01:18:07] <skunkworks__> logger[psha]:
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[01:35:33] <L33TG33KG34R> if I just want to control 4 steppers, a hitachi x200 or some vfd, coolant pump, mister along with inputs for e-stop, 6 limit switches
[01:35:42] <L33TG33KG34R> is the 7i76 enough for that?
[01:37:14] <jdh> should be.
[01:37:27] <jdh> do you really need individual limit switches?
[01:38:01] <jdh> plenty of inputs, but more wiring hassle
[01:38:23] <Valen> home switches perhaps
[01:38:46] <L33TG33KG34R> home switch + limit switch
[01:38:51] <L33TG33KG34R> for each axis
[01:39:06] <L33TG33KG34R> I am an ENT student so wiring isn't a problem
[01:39:15] <jdh> ear nose & throat?
[01:39:18] <Valen> you say that
[01:39:24] <Valen> but your wrong lol
[01:40:27] <L33TG33KG34R> you're* and no. You have no idea what they put us through
[01:40:35] <jp_> one limit signal per axis is more than enough
[01:41:07] <L33TG33KG34R> but in that extreme is the 7i76 enough? Also how would I interface the 7i76 with a VFD?
[01:41:14] <jdh> it has 32 inputs
[01:41:33] <jp_> analog perhaps or modbus if you have it
[01:41:51] <jdh> it has an analog spindle output also.
[01:42:02] <jp_> the &i76 has analog out for spindle purpose
[01:42:04] <jdh> it's like they designed the card just for this!
[01:42:08] <djdelorie> I wired all six limit switches to just one input
[01:42:40] <djdelorie> I think.... maybe one input per axis...
[01:42:48] <jdh> I did one per axis
[01:43:18] <jp_> looking at the machine can tell yo what one tripped anyways
[01:43:26] <skunkworks__> Valen: your idea of lsof | grep media worked great
[01:44:10] <jp_> anyone used kelling's stepper drives?
[01:44:41] <jdh> I have some
[01:44:49] <jp_> how do you like them
[01:45:08] <jdh> I got the cheap ones. Might have preferred the slightly better ones, but they work fine.
[01:45:16] <Tom_itx> i've used em
[01:45:25] <Tom_itx> the 282 in oz ones
[01:45:32] <Tom_itx> on my sherline work good
[01:45:37] <jdh> drives, or motors?
[01:45:39] <jp_> they are just re branded imports anyways aren't they
[01:45:43] <jp_> drives
[01:45:54] <jdh> they are rebranded leadshines?
[01:46:00] <Tom_itx> oh, i got gecko drivers
[01:46:05] <Tom_itx> probably
[01:46:11] <Tom_itx> they all look the same
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[01:46:58] <Tom_itx> i like the geckos
[01:47:06] <jp_> jdh, what do you use for a PSU?
[01:47:22] <jdh> generic 48v switcher. Same as the one keling sells, but from ebay
[01:47:41] <jp_> geckos seem over priced
[01:47:51] <jdh> I'd rather have a gecko
[01:47:53] <jdh> but, I'm cheap.
[01:47:56] <jp_> probably last forever
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[01:48:11] <Tom_itx> yeah but that was one thing i didn't want 'cheap' on
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[01:48:55] <jp_> can say much the drives i have are not cheap by any means
[01:48:57] <Tom_itx> and i can use them on a bigger mill
[01:49:12] <jp_> just looking for low cost units for small stuff
[01:49:27] <jdh> I thought about replacing mine, the better ones are cheap enough but the ones I have seem to work fine.
[01:49:28] <Tom_itx> they're probably fine for that
[01:50:11] <jp_> im sure they are i bought one of those small side steps for my extruder and they work great
[01:51:02] <Tom_itx> probably a better choice than the pololu's
[01:51:14] <Tom_itx> i hear they blow alot
[01:51:27] <Tom_itx> probably from stupidity but still
[01:52:00] <jp_> all that reprap stuff seems lightweight hate to try a nema 23 on it
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[01:55:15] <Tom_itx> that little gear drive stepper looks ok
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[01:55:29] <jp_> Tom_itx, have you tested out your hotend?
[01:57:04] <Tom_itx> no
[01:57:36] <Tom_itx> i made those for the heck of it and slowly may collect parts to make one
[01:57:42] <jp_> my 3mm one works great. 1.75 however is a pain in the ass
[01:57:59] <Tom_itx> i won't use 1.75 from what i hear
[01:58:39] <jp_> dont its not worth it spent 2 days and no i plan to give up on it
[01:59:00] <jp_> 3mm just worked out of the gate
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[02:15:52] <skorket> do you guys suggest geda over kicad? Or something else entirely?
[02:16:05] <djdelorie> I prefer geda, but I'm biased...
[02:16:22] <skorket> why is that?
[02:18:16] <archivist_> I started the #kicad channel next door that probably makes me biased too
[02:18:53] <djdelorie> skorket: I'm one of the maintainers
[02:18:54] <jdh> pcb-ware-wars!
[02:19:13] <djdelorie> nah, try both and use whatever you want.
[02:19:25] <L84Supper> skorket, the pro world is pretty much Cadence vs Altium
[02:20:38] <archivist_> the last pro I used was dos PCAD, I still prefer it fo rease of use
[02:20:42] <L84Supper> I've been using Capture and Allegro for years for the most complex designs, but the cost is >$10K
[02:21:13] <skorket> yeah, I'm an amateur/hobbyist/poor person, so nothing that expensive for me
[02:21:28] <L84Supper> use whatever you like
[02:21:38] <jdh> eagle?
[02:21:41] <skorket> I remember picking geda a while ago but now I'm not sure why and I wanted to get some opinions
[02:21:52] <archivist_> eagle is limited pcb size
[02:22:02] <L84Supper> I see more open hardware designs that use Kicad
[02:22:10] <jdh> yeah, but I'm pretty limited.
[02:22:17] <L84Supper> for schematic capture
[02:22:33] <archivist_> watching the irc channel and I see steady growth in use
[02:23:47] <L84Supper> i hear that some people actually suffer through using it for hand routing very dense 3 mil trace/space PCB's
[02:26:05] <Tom_itx> i use eagle
[02:26:09] <L84Supper> the pro tools have lots of utils for automating, simulating and design rule checking
[02:26:36] <Tom_itx> i looked at pads
[02:26:57] <L84Supper> I'm also spoiled by large libraries vs virtually none for Kicad
[02:27:18] <Tom_itx> i've got well over 300 eagle libs
[02:27:58] <Tom_itx> majority of them are in the package now though
[02:31:11] <Thetawaves> did you get eagle standard?
[02:31:45] <Thetawaves> i have eagle light
[02:32:04] <Tom_itx> i paid for it years back and still use that ver for most of my stuff unless someone is asking for help
[02:32:05] <Thetawaves> i probably won't spend 600$ for 6 signal layers
[02:32:10] <Tom_itx> i have 2 or 3 ver loaded
[02:32:54] <Tom_itx> i've probably used it since ver 2 or so
[02:32:55] <Thetawaves> i make the footprint for roughly half my parts anyway, so switching to kicad shouldn't be that difficult
[02:33:02] <L84Supper> Eagle Light is only 2 layers max ?!
[02:33:07] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:33:24] <Tom_itx> how many do you need?
[02:33:25] <L84Supper> oh only $69
[02:33:29] <Thetawaves> 'only two'
[02:34:00] <Tom_itx> if you're making 4 layer boards you're likely above the hobby level
[02:34:31] <Tom_itx> it's rather reasonable compared to pads or altium
[02:34:40] <djdelorie> I do many 4-layer boards, and it's hobby...
[02:34:57] <Tom_itx> i can do 16
[02:35:02] <Tom_itx> but haven't
[02:35:07] <L84Supper> whats PADS cost these days? <$10K
[02:35:10] <djdelorie> I've tested pcb with 56 layers
[02:35:22] <Tom_itx> that's just nuts
[02:35:38] <djdelorie> yes it was. I did a test board that was 0.25 miles on a side too. My house was very small on that one...
[02:35:45] <Tom_itx> but you get into BGA and that's what you get
[02:36:39] <djdelorie> on a 64-bit machine, I think pcb can do a board the size of our solar system...
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[02:38:34] <L84Supper> PCB 100,000:1 scale?
[02:38:46] <djdelorie> 2^63 nanometers
[02:40:39] <L84Supper> PCB's with 1 atom res
[02:41:16] <djdelorie> it gave us 1E-5 inch resolution without rounding issues
[02:42:07] <djdelorie> on a 32-bit build, you're limited to PCBs up to 6 feet across ;-)
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[02:44:39] <Valen> the lack of libs for kicad are what sucks
[02:44:49] <Valen> apart from that it does the job well enough
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[02:46:18] <L84Supper> does kicad have a util for flooding areas with copper based on some spacing rule from traces of holes?
[02:46:46] <L84Supper> of/or
[02:48:00] <L84Supper> last time i checked I didn't see a nice way to handle ground and power planes
[02:53:29] <L84Supper> well the PCB software is going to start looking a bit different soon when you can 3D print PCB's with no machining or plating required
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[03:09:54] <Thetawaves> that sounds stupid
[03:10:09] <Thetawaves> when i can etch a thousand boards at a time
[03:10:49] <s1dev> Thetawaves: at what cost?
[03:11:02] <L84Supper> etch 1-2 layers
[03:11:24] <Thetawaves> huh?
[03:11:26] <L84Supper> then you stil have to plate the vias and holes
[03:13:17] <s1dev> I wonder if anyone has looked into electroplating boards
[03:13:34] <s1dev> instead of etching
[03:15:37] <L84Supper> thats how multilayer boards are done, they sandwich core that's been plated and prepreg, then also plate the through holes and vias
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[03:17:56] <Tom_itx> ever been thru a board house?
[03:18:02] <Tom_itx> they got big vats to plate in
[03:20:19] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXcRXo0tdU&feature=related 30+ minute vid of all the steps
[03:21:16] <Valen> they don't electroplate the copper onto the boards, its glued on
[03:21:19] <Valen> well epoxy
[03:21:32] <Valen> very hard to electroplate to stuff thats non conductive
[03:21:45] <Valen> i spose you might be able to do some kind of metal spraying
[03:23:27] <L84Supper> for microwave we use PCB cores made of teflon and fibergalss plated with copper
[03:23:53] <Valen> sure its plated not glued foil?
[03:25:00] <Tom_itx> my understanding is it's plated
[03:28:17] <L84Supper> I'm currently working on printing the traces directly onto 3d printed core layers, a 3d PCB printer that only uses fluids
[03:30:11] <L84Supper> Valen: http://www.polyflon.com/Plating%20Plastics.htm re your question about plating vs bonding
[03:30:52] <L84Supper> not that all teflon pcb's are made this way, some are plated and some are laminates
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[03:45:06] <L84Supper> http://ideas.repec.org/a/wsi/srlxxx/v14y2007i02p241-253.html here's an abstract on the electroless copper plating of PTFE, I can't a free version yet
[03:46:27] <L84Supper> basically they exposing the PTFE films to a sodium naphthalenide (Na/naphtha) etchant, and esterification of 4,4'-azobis(4-cyanopentanoic acid) (ACP) with the hydroxyl groups covalently linked to the surface, followed by the surface-initiated free radical polymerization of 4-vinylpyridine (4 VP)
[03:47:05] <L84Supper> it's not really plated directly to the PTFE since they modify the surface of the PTFE quite a bit first
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[04:44:20] <tjb1> sheetz run!!!
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[05:39:48] <Kirk_Wallace> Hello. I asked on the list, but I thought I might get a faster response here, what is the status of 64-bit LinuxCNC? I seem to recall only the simulator runs in 64-bit?
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[05:59:38] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[05:59:47] <Kirk_Wallace> Is it rude to bump? Status of 64-bit?
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[06:03:54] <Kirk_Wallace_> Did I just get knocked off IRC?
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[06:33:22] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[12:14:42] <jthornton> how does this page look? http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/7i77.html
[12:15:24] <s1dev> don't know about the information there, but the actual page itself looks nice
[12:15:43] <jthornton> thanks
[12:15:49] <s1dev> (I don'tk now about the information as in I have no clue)
[12:15:56] <jthornton> btw, the info should be correct
[12:15:58] <s1dev> *know
[12:16:26] <s1dev> I imagine it is
[12:18:00] <toudi_> page is nice and info is correct
[12:18:29] <jthornton> thanks
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[12:18:43] <micges> :)
[12:20:15] <micges> analog pins have two digits after 7i77 name?
[12:20:29] <Jymmm> There is no date or file size listed for the zip file. Example: linuxcnc_5i25-7i77_sample_config_2012-09-18.zip
[12:21:16] <jthornton> I copied the pin name from my config
[12:21:20] <Jymmm> The HAL file is missing the GPL license text;
[12:21:44] <micges> I see
[12:21:57] <Jymmm> jthornton: ^^^^^^
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[12:26:18] <Jymmm> The 7i77 needs BOTH 5VDC and 10+VDC ?!
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[12:29:06] <micges> 7i77 can get 5V from 5i25
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[12:37:50] <TVCas> Can anyone point me to something to read on using either python or glade to make a button to touch off my joints in g54, I mainly need help on the postguide.hal file and the commands to link such actions.
[12:39:21] <TVCas> It's a strange request to want to touch off multiple joints at once, but I'm running a complex setup and trying to make it easy for the end user. I'm hoping to get some video up soon to the forums so everyone can see exactly what I'm running.
[12:39:53] <sliptonic> jthornton: Very timely and helpful. My 5i25 and 7i77 came yesterday. You might just be my new best friend. :-)
[12:42:23] <jthornton> lol
[12:43:00] <cpresser> TVCas: take a look at "G10 L20"
[12:53:01] <TVCas> cpresser: that is interesting, do you know if the coordinate systems p0-p9 relate to the g54 though g59, I need to swap between the g54 and g55 in a manner that is not normally used that actually uses the machine in different ways.
[12:54:14] <TVCas> In 54 for instance my mill is referenced, in 55 another mill head is used...
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[12:56:51] <cpresser> TVCas: the answer is yes. but thats also in the documentation :)
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[13:05:22] <sliptonic> jthornton: I'm looking at some of the other docs on your site. Do you have a wiring diagram for the 7i77 / mill like the one you did for the lathe?
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[13:20:35] <skunkworks> going quite well... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/55882-CnC-programs-Turbo-Mach3
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[13:41:12] <jdh> what operations do you do with this type of tool? http://www.shars.com/files/products/404-1860/404-1862E.jpg
[13:44:14] <Tom_itx> it's just an insert endmill
[13:44:18] <Tom_itx> non centercutting
[13:44:29] <jdh> so all you can do is facing cuts?
[13:44:56] <Tom_itx> no, you can side cut with it, it appears.. just not very deep
[13:45:07] <Tom_itx> pockets etc
[13:45:20] <Tom_itx> alot of them will have rows of inserts
[13:46:29] <jdh> I can't see cutting a pocket with that.
[13:46:52] <Tom_itx> maybe not the best suited for it
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[13:50:32] <jdh> some have round inserts, what are they used for?
[13:52:50] <jdh> ok, against my better judgement, I will ask again about the 'sex in college' thing
[13:53:02] <jdh> sure wish I would have typed that in the correct window.
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[13:55:49] <sliptonic> jdh: I'm sure it's well documented on the internet. Perhaps a simple google search :-)
[13:56:01] <jdh> for the end mill?
[13:56:21] <sliptonic> Sex in college.
[13:56:43] <jdh> for the other... it was actually about vocabulary usage. The connection was tenuous at best.
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[13:58:15] <jdh> I haven't touched my mill in a week or two so I feel the need to buy it tooling.
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[14:00:13] <cradek> skunkworks: "with typical EMC geekness no one needs metric"
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[14:01:38] <FinboySlick> jdh: Heh, you do that too? I thought I was sort of weird for a while.
[14:01:49] <jdh> Fin: you are.
[14:01:51] <jdh> but, it's ok.
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[14:07:37] <skunkworks> cradek, Yes. I sort of ignored that.. (other than saying they are user writerable..)
[14:15:56] <skunkworks> cradek, I like sparky ;)
[14:25:39] <cradek> he sounds like he's actually tried both systems
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[14:29:30] <skunkworks> yes - refreshing
[14:30:22] <cradek> I just can't get my head around how some people say the mach default screen looks more like commercial controls. maybe I've just seen/used very old machines and they really do look like that now?
[14:30:50] <skunkworks> not a 'I tried linuxcnc but it wasn't exactly like mach so it sucks'
[14:31:21] <skunkworks> cradek, my thoughts exactly.. reminds me of a flash game.
[14:32:17] <cradek> I wonder if we could somehow emphasize that the mouse is the worst way to interact with AXIS
[14:33:09] * FinboySlick drowns his sorrows by going to Maritool and buying more stuff for his mill.
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[14:33:28] <cradek> I've liked every single thing I've bought from maritool
[14:33:55] <FinboySlick> cradek: They're pretty awesome. And service is top notch.
[14:35:01] <jdh> mouse is the worst way to interact with a computer.
[14:35:14] <FinboySlick> I don't know if it's that they're small or simply fanatical but anytime I've called, they knew who I was, were ready with all the answers, super helpful.
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[14:55:42] <JT-Shop> sliptonic: no, just the graphics on the web page showing how to connect I/O
[14:56:16] <FinboySlick> Mesa 5I25 is what I need if I just want something better than my board's parallel port, right?
[14:56:31] <JT-Shop> if it ain't right Maritool will make it right
[14:56:58] <JT-Shop> toss a 7i76 and a cable in and you have way more than a parallel port
[14:57:31] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: didn't read the source of the file when he downloaded it...
[14:59:10] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: I'm still a bit confused as to which bit does what. I know mesa will go all the way to driving steppers. I don't think I'm up to replacing all the drivers in my mill yet but I'm looking into hardware stepgen.
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[15:07:24] <skunkworks> with just the 5i25 you get 2 printer ports in effect but with high speed pwm/step-dir/encoder counters/ i-o
[15:08:01] <FinboySlick> That's pretty much what I need too. They're around 90 bucks, right?
[15:08:35] <skunkworks> with the daughter boards you get a lot more.
[15:08:57] <FinboySlick> Daughterboard would connect directly to my stepper drivers?
[15:09:04] <skunkworks> urd
[15:09:36] <FinboySlick> urd?
[15:09:41] <skunkworks> yes
[15:09:44] <skunkworks> and yes
[15:10:30] <FinboySlick> Hmmm, that would allow me to control a bunch of other things I guess.
[15:10:33] <skunkworks> daughter board gives you 5 axis step/dir outputs, 1 analog, 1 encoder interface and 48 i/o
[15:10:36] <skunkworks> and it is expandable
[15:21:04] <JT-Shop> what Sam said
[15:22:46] <JT-Shop> sliptonic: I'll post my BP config when done, it will be sorta like a road map
[15:32:58] <tjb1> its rainin cats and dogs here!
[15:36:32] <JT-Shop> that must be tough on an umbrella
[15:36:53] <jdh> especially when they hit the pointy part.
[15:36:59] <JT-Shop> lol
[15:39:47] <tjb1> blood everywhere
[15:39:54] <tjb1> people knocked out all over the sidewalks
[15:40:00] <tjb1> free chinese food ;)
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[15:41:02] <tjb1> Made the brackets for my homing switches and bumper stops today
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[15:45:47] <tjb1> http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s480x480/284274_4327266695841_1336454635_n.jpg
[15:46:35] <JT-Shop> your target passes over the prox?
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[15:48:46] <tjb1> The prox is gonna ride with the carriages
[15:48:56] <tjb1> have a stud or something at each end to trigger for homing and limit
[15:49:50] <r00t4rd3d> dork
[15:50:13] <tjb1> Shhhhh
[15:50:33] <r00t4rd3d> wtf you gonna use that thing for?
[15:50:38] <tjb1> What thing
[15:50:44] <r00t4rd3d> your router setup
[15:50:51] <tjb1> its a plasma cutter dork
[15:51:02] * FinboySlick entertained.
[15:51:28] <r00t4rd3d> like whats one of your future projects?
[15:51:36] <tjb1> Anything I want ;)
[15:52:17] <r00t4rd3d> i would make some fire place mantels
[15:52:18] <sliptonic> JT-Shop: Cool. Thanks.
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[15:52:32] <tjb1> fire rings
[15:53:01] <r00t4rd3d> cut all my wood parts in aluminum for me
[15:53:04] <JT-Shop> sliptonic: if you need what I have so far I can upload them
[15:53:21] <tjb1> How thick are they r00t
[15:53:34] <r00t4rd3d> the wood is 3/4
[15:53:53] <sliptonic> It would be helpful. I'm working my way through things but yours would provide a real sanity check.
[15:53:53] <tjb1> How thick of aluminum do you need
[15:54:00] <r00t4rd3d> but for alum i could probably do 1/4
[15:54:16] <tjb1> Plasma?
[15:54:36] <r00t4rd3d> i really wouldnt care what you used
[15:54:47] <tjb1> I can probably do that
[15:55:15] <r00t4rd3d> its really only 2 pieces i need cut weird
[15:55:22] <r00t4rd3d> my side gantry pieces
[15:55:28] <tjb1> got a picture ?
[15:55:47] <JT-Shop> ok, give me a few minutes to upload and create a link
[15:56:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/Jttts.jpg
[15:56:23] <r00t4rd3d> i could probably do it
[15:56:23] <tjb1> Those are easy bud
[15:56:36] <tjb1> Your router doesnt have that much travel?
[15:56:42] <r00t4rd3d> it does
[15:57:25] <tjb1> whats the hold up then
[15:57:42] <r00t4rd3d> im scared
[15:57:45] <r00t4rd3d> lol i dont know
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[15:57:47] <tjb1> low and slow
[15:57:55] <r00t4rd3d> yeah girl
[15:58:08] <tjb1> girl? >:(
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[15:59:07] <L84Supper> some of the reprap devs have made 2 new motion control boards using ARM cortex M3's
[15:59:31] <tjb1> L84Supper: That gonna make them cheaper?
[15:59:35] <r00t4rd3d> im doing the paradise box thing atm
[15:59:57] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d, whats the paradise box?
[16:00:13] <L84Supper> https://0xfb.com/shop.html is the SAM 3 U board
[16:00:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc_wood_router_project_log/118739-carveones_steel_channel_rebuild-152.html
[16:00:36] <r00t4rd3d> look at #1823
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[16:00:49] <L84Supper> http://smoothieware.org/smoothieboard is the NXP LPC1769 board
[16:01:17] <tjb1> Here - http://www.cnczone.com/forums/cnc_wood_router_project_log/118739-carveones_steel_channel_rebuild-46.html#post1165731
[16:01:23] <tjb1> r00t is noob at linking ;)
[16:02:03] <r00t4rd3d> i did that incase you wanted to look through the previews pages and see the rest
[16:02:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/projects/march-2011/paradise-box.htm
[16:02:10] <L84Supper> tjb1, it doesn't appear to be the case since the boards aren't made in high volumes
[16:02:21] <r00t4rd3d> thats the original plans
[16:02:32] <tjb1> Hmm…well maybe I will have enough to make a prusa in the spring
[16:02:45] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: nice excuse
[16:03:06] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/1165430-post1804.html
[16:03:10] <L84Supper> tjb1, the lowest cost kits http://printrbot.com/
[16:03:35] <L84Supper> tjb1, the lowest cost fully assembled http://www.mbot3d.com/
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[16:03:55] <tjb1> How is the Printrbot jr?
[16:04:06] <L84Supper> toy class machines
[16:04:21] <jdh> aren't they all?
[16:04:27] <L84Supper> very poor extruders
[16:04:29] <tjb1> Whats the print area of a prusa mendel
[16:05:17] <L84Supper> not sure, i don't follow them too closely
[16:06:28] <L84Supper> I'm working on some new extruder designs now for production printers
[16:07:28] <L84Supper> even the $10K FDM printers don't have very good extruders
[16:08:53] <ScribbleJ> 8"x8"x4"
[16:09:17] <L84Supper> http://www.mojo3dprinting.com/ at $10K I can't believe they sell many, but maybe they do
[16:10:12] <ScribbleJ> Would you like to see the output of my home-built <$1k machine against a $10k+ stratasys?
[16:10:37] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, I'm sure it's better than the $10k machine
[16:10:39] <ScribbleJ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/sets/72157629199797710/
[16:10:58] <ScribbleJ> It's the same, not better. The 10k machine might actually have done marginally better, but it took 14 hours to my 5, also.
[16:11:15] <ScribbleJ> If I took 14 hrs to do a single print I'm sure it'd look marvelous, but who has the time?
[16:11:16] <L84Supper> almost 3x yours, wow
[16:11:59] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, are you working with the 4Pi or Smoothie yet?
[16:12:32] <ScribbleJ> Not quite yet, but I was plannning on getting started today. I have an LPC here for Smoothie, but couldn't previously get the dev toolchain to work.
[16:12:40] <ScribbleJ> And I just ordered a 4pi now that they are available.
[16:12:59] <ScribbleJ> Did you see those articles about how 3D printers are being used to make prosthetics for people, and that eagle, and stuff?
[16:13:11] <ScribbleJ> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:30635
[16:13:20] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: what do you do about speed on the dwp611
[16:13:22] <jdh> are the printed parts stronger in different planes? or mostly homogenous?
[16:13:49] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, heh yeah saw your injured pig
[16:13:53] <ScribbleJ> jdh, I'm sure they are slightly weaker in the Z direction, but not so you'd ever notice really.
[16:15:40] <L84Supper> ScribbleJ, somebody we supply is printing prosthetics for humans
[16:15:53] <jthornton> sliptonic, http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/configs/7i77.html
[16:16:29] <ScribbleJ> My dentist replaced part of my tooth with a UV-curable resin.
[16:16:38] <ScribbleJ> But he did it by hand, not using any kind of cool machine.
[16:16:44] <ScribbleJ> And some kind of UV LED on a stick.
[16:16:45] <ScribbleJ> heh
[16:17:06] <L84Supper> yeah, spot curing of the photopolymer
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[16:21:13] <L84Supper> the medical co's in the US seem to be dragging their feet on tissue engineering
[16:22:14] <L84Supper> it's a combination of polymer printing for porous structures and then printing live cells to grow around them to form actual organs and tissues
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[16:23:28] <JT-Shop> I hate the way flashplayer tries to suck you into using macafree
[16:23:49] <L84Supper> a Java update yesterday was trying the same thing
[16:24:29] <JT-Shop> makes me wonder if they don't have the spammers on their payroll to generate intrest in their product
[16:24:35] <L84Supper> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1949073.stm why would a mouse need an ear there?
[16:26:26] <jdh> that was 10 years ago
[16:27:05] <L84Supper> jdh, yeah, and there's been lots of progress but nothing available to really help anyone
[16:27:28] <L84Supper> print organs vs wait for transplants
[16:27:56] <jdh> if the interwebbes were in charge, they would be printing boobs.
[16:29:19] <L84Supper> like a Chia Pet, watch em grow?
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[17:00:01] <mrsun> gah i was hoping for my components for the vfd controller Rev B to come today .. but no :/
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[17:08:11] <sliptonic> jthornton: Thanks. Is it the link to your bp/anilam configuration files that you added?
[17:08:20] <jthornton> yes
[17:08:50] <jthornton> I've not connected the MPG and selector switches yet but other than that it is fully functional
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[17:09:20] <jthornton> there are also X,Y, and Z halscope saved files
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[17:09:41] <sliptonic> Cool. I'll study it. Do you have anything on physical wiring between the 7i77 and the amps/encoders?
[17:09:41] <IchGuckLive> hi all B)
[17:10:10] <sliptonic> This is my first go at something like this so please forgive the n00b questions.
[17:10:24] <jthornton> what kind of drives do you have?
[17:11:05] <sliptonic> Servo Dynamics. I think PCW posted a link to the PDF the other day.
[17:11:11] * sliptonic searches for it.
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[17:12:24] <jthornton> I assume they take +-10v velocity input?
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[17:12:40] <jthornton> if so the connections are pretty clear in the 7i77 manual
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[17:13:53] <sliptonic> This was the pdf: https://acrobat.com/app.html#d=x59x38dzNQftieH6cSt4Lw
[17:13:57] <sliptonic> Yes, I believe so.
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[17:15:15] <tjb1> NPN pulls to ground right
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[17:19:03] <jthornton> similar to my boards but different, you might want to verify with Peter the correct pins to connect up for the velocity input
[17:20:51] <jthornton> be back in a bit
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[17:42:25] <IchGuckLive> you are all bidding on ebay for the 1525 of Servo Dynamics B) O.O
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[17:44:28] <IchGuckLive> MarkusBec: that sounds German are You ?
[17:49:06] <tjb1> IchGuckLive: What are you bidding on? I want to bid against you :)
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[17:55:45] <IchGuckLive> im to far away to get the part
[17:56:11] <FinboySlick> IchGuckLive: Get it anyway.
[17:56:24] <r00t4rd3d> IchGuckLive, http://i.imgur.com/wGfOk.jpg
[17:56:42] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: That's pretty cool.
[17:56:56] <IchGuckLive> http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html;jsessionid=5189F239E46E23A4A34F5ED027101DEB?_sacat=0&_nkw=servo+dynamics&_nkwusc=sevo+dynamics&_rdc=1
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[17:57:25] <FinboySlick> sheesh, 20 euros?
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[17:58:40] <nmz787> hi
[17:58:59] <IchGuckLive> nmz787: Hi
[17:59:22] <IchGuckLive> are you gone mill yourself a Dreamliner nmz787
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[18:04:57] <nmz787> dreamliner?
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[18:10:35] <IchGuckLive> nmz787: airplane
[18:12:10] <Jymmm> http://player.vimeo.com/video/40935850
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[18:14:45] <IchGuckLive> by im off 1
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[18:35:34] <micges> first approach to linux-preempt-rt + linuxcnc (master) : http://snag.gy/XBDJI.jpg
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[18:42:09] <jdh> micges: looks pretty. No clue what it means :)
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[18:43:04] <micges> jdh: different realtime patch for linux
[18:44:41] <Kirk_Wallace> Hello, what is the status of the 64-bit LinuxCNC? I seem to recall only the simulator works in 64-bit.
[18:44:50] <jdh> I gathered that. Isn't that from like 10 years ago though?
[18:46:19] <Kirk_Wallace> jdh: Is that a reply to me? KW
[18:46:25] <jdh> nope
[18:46:31] <Kirk_Wallace> Sorry.
[18:46:35] <jdh> afaik, 64bit is still sim only
[18:47:03] <tom3p> micges, what difference in latency happens with the same hardware have running 'regular' linuxcnc?
[18:47:10] <jdh> but, speaking of realtime... I still have this sytem running: 2.2.18-rtl #5 Wed Dec 19 11:56:34 EST 2001 i686 unknown
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[18:48:32] <plc5_250> Question about the Celerra: is it managed via a web service a la Navisphere?
[18:48:52] <plc5_250> crap - wrong channel
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[18:49:14] <micges> tom3p: iirc rtai had about 20us
[18:49:46] <Kirk_Wallace> Is there documentation on 64-bit that I could refer someone to, to support my claim of the status?
[18:50:25] <micges> jdh: no it's quite different than rtlinux
[18:50:46] <tom3p> micges, whats the hoped for result? stability/simplicity/latency?
[18:50:54] <jdh> I know.... I think Ingo was working on re-preempt back when I installed that
[18:52:40] <micges> tom3p: target is to get stable 50us
[18:54:16] <micges> tom3p: results will be known in few days
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[18:55:11] <nmz787> anyone in here ever used grbl?
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[18:55:19] <nmz787> i'm thinking of porting it to a parallax propeller
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[18:57:32] <tom3p> wow, theres a linuxcnc3 log http://psha.org.ru/irc/%23linuxcnc3/2012-09-13.html
[18:58:51] <Kirk_Wallace> nmz787: G-code interpreter?
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[19:08:56] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[19:10:10] <skunkworks> pcw_home, I think they may think we are on your payrol... http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/55882-CnC-programs-Turbo-Mach3?highlight=linuxcnc
[19:10:35] <skunkworks> payroll
[19:10:43] <skunkworks> wow - that sentence sucked
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[19:18:19] <skunkworks> heh
[19:20:55] <JT-Shop> seems like all the comments about EMC being hard to learn and install come from the BDI era
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[19:21:06] <Kirk_Wallace> Just in case there are new eyes here since a few minutes ago. What is the status of 64-bit LinuxCNC?
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[19:24:16] <micges> Kirk_Wallace: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[19:24:38] <micges> seems that for 8.04 they are available
[19:24:59] <JT-Shop> now I have to post
[19:25:21] <micges> Kirk_Wallace: I have no idea about 10.04 64 bit status
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[19:26:47] <Kirk_Wallace> Thanks micges, JT
[19:26:55] <skunkworks> JT-Shop, heh
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[19:28:37] <skunkworks> JT-Shop, do you know anything about modbus or pokeys from macona?
[19:28:56] <skunkworks> * maconas post
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[19:29:56] <JT-Shop> I have a pokeys and played with it a bit about a year ago
[19:30:43] <JT-Shop> which post is that?
[19:31:52] <Kirk_Wallace> From the buildbot, it looks like only Hardy has real-time 64-bit. Thanks the buildbot link is a new link for me.
[19:32:07] <Jymmm> cradek: When doing a PCB, what is the narrowest area you've been able to get and with what tool? I need a clean/consistant 0.5mm or less gap
[19:34:19] <skunkworks> .007 with think/tink cutters..
[19:34:46] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Is that trace width, or space between traces?
[19:35:06] <skunkworks> space between traces
[19:35:07] <Jymmm> and is that in or mm?
[19:35:12] <skunkworks> in
[19:35:44] <Jymmm> 0.2mm that's not bad at a..
[19:36:18] <Jymmm> skunkworks: do you know which tink tool?
[19:37:49] <Spida> 0.2mm is what I get from my pcb manufacturer (etched)
[19:38:49] <skunkworks> Jymmm, give me a second
[19:38:57] <syyl> 0,5mm on pcbs is more than easy to obtain
[19:39:00] <syyl> by milling
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[19:39:20] <syyl> most time my gaps are below 0,1mm
[19:41:09] <syyl> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/Deckel%20G2/port4_1.jpg
[19:41:21] <syyl> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/Deckel%20G2/port4_2.jpg
[19:41:30] <syyl> not so much of a miracle ;)
[19:41:54] <Jymmm> syyl: using what tool?
[19:42:05] <syyl> single lip engraving cutter..
[19:42:11] <syyl> 60deg
[19:42:12] <Jymmm> syyl: link?
[19:42:17] <syyl> what?
[19:42:32] <Jymmm> link to buy
[19:43:53] <syyl> http://www.zecha.de/de/zerspanungswerkzeuge/uhren-schmuckindustrie/stichel/153-515-518-vhm-gravierstichel
[19:43:58] <syyl> i get mine here
[19:44:31] <skunkworks> EM2E8-0625-60V
[19:44:45] <skunkworks> http://www.thinktink.com/products/Mechanical_Etching_Bits.asp
[19:44:47] <skunkworks> what I used
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[19:50:46] <JT-Shop> what is a 'Depth Ring'?
[19:51:09] <cradek> collet stop on the tool shank to give matching tool lengths
[19:51:27] <cradek> supposedly they all come set the same
[19:51:38] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[19:52:16] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Thanks, I might give it a try if I can find an 1/8th adapter =)
[19:52:34] <Jymmm> same bit for score-n-snap?
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[19:55:19] <Jymmm> I can't take a chance and bow the PCB using a paper cutter.
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[19:56:09] <Jymmm> syyl: thanks
[19:58:47] <Jymmm> Spida: who do you use?
[20:00:29] <mrsun> can linuxcnc generate some kindof "timing file" or whatever one should call it, times etc that a stepper should step to to get the right velocity etc? :)
[20:09:06] <Spida> Jymmm: f-l.de
[20:09:27] <Kirk_Wallace> mrsun: If I understand your question, it seems you need to come up with the timing based on the manufacturer's data or you own testing.
[20:10:01] <Jymmm> Spida: thanks
[20:10:14] <mrsun> Kirk_Wallace, i mean like a for a buffer card that does all the stepping etc of the motors later
[20:10:42] <mrsun> sure motherboards still usaly have a header for parport but isnt it being kinda phased out ? :)
[20:10:56] <mrsun> thinking like usb stuff, i know this has been discussed before :P
[20:10:58] <mrsun> but dont remember
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[20:14:48] <Kirk_Wallace> mrsun: So you want LinuxCNC to pass data to a smart controller and you need to make sure LinuxCNC doesn't ask the controller to do something it can't do?
[20:18:46] <t12_> i read that more as
[20:18:51] <t12_> blind record/playback
[20:18:55] <t12_> for open loop ?
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[20:23:26] <Kirk_Wallace> Well I gotta go, so I may never know. Keep up the good work guys. Ciao.
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[20:45:29] <tjb1> http://vimeo.com/46857169
[20:45:32] <tjb1> That is sex.
[20:49:10] <ScribbleJ> Stuck pixel at 0:36
[20:49:58] <tjb1> lol
[20:50:03] <tjb1> 1'x1' pixel
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[21:00:38] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn-T70SoNjM
[21:01:16] <skunkworks> pretty neat when he starts running the program.. You can see it do a strait line.
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[21:03:25] <tjb1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m308kfhO2Yo
[21:03:29] <tjb1> I programmed that one ^
[21:04:04] <tjb1> I got further but never finished
[21:04:15] <tjb1> I also had it up to full speed but whoever made the end effector failed
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[21:08:45] <andypugh> Followed a link and found: http://youtu.be/SOESSCXGhFo
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[21:11:08] <tjb1> Yep, added that to my favorites a long time ago
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[21:20:29] <FinboySlick> skunkworks: Programming error and he gets punched in the face though.
[21:20:52] <FinboySlick> And that thing looks fast enough to deliver a pretty good KO.
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[21:22:27] <tjb1> Haha, verizon called to "review" my account
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[21:22:38] <tjb1> I told him im not upgrading unless I can get 4g Unlimited…that shut him up
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[21:23:23] <tjb1> Im never giving up my unlimited data.
[21:23:34] <tjb1> They didnt want to offer it, shouldnt started it
[21:23:44] <tjb1> shouldnt have started offering it...
[21:23:50] <Jymmm> unlimited what?
[21:24:06] <tjb1> data
[21:24:15] <Jymmm> specifically
[21:24:29] <Jymmm> edge?
[21:24:29] <tjb1> specifically?
[21:24:33] <Jymmm> EDGE?
[21:24:39] <tjb1> 3g
[21:24:44] <tjb1> I have unlimited 3g
[21:24:52] <tjb1> I cant upgrade to 4g and keep unlimited
[21:25:05] <Jymmm> is it downrated when you exceed 5GB?
[21:25:10] <s1dev> how much are you paying for that 3g unlimited?
[21:25:12] <tjb1> Its throttled
[21:25:16] <tjb1> $30 a month
[21:25:22] <s1dev> nice
[21:25:42] <FinboySlick> Well, time for food.
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[21:26:00] <Jymmm> Dont the ipads have something like that?
[21:26:02] <tjb1> 4gb of "shared" data is $70 a month
[21:26:04] <tjb1> Suck my nuts
[21:26:12] <tjb1> I use 8gb a month alone
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[21:26:38] <Jymmm> how bad is it throttled?
[21:26:43] <tjb1> Well with verizon...lol
[21:26:49] <tjb1> I dont notice a difference
[21:26:49] <andypugh> tjb1: That's a serious porn habit
[21:27:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: tiny screen too
[21:27:11] <tjb1> I tether it to my laptop and it never seems that the speed changes
[21:27:25] <tjb1> Its actually faster to use the internet on my laptop than my phone...
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[21:27:49] <tjb1> We have 2 dumb phones and a smart phone with unlimited data, its $170 a month
[21:27:56] <Jymmm> tjb1: So, you use an attachment to make it seem bigger
[21:28:09] <tjb1> That same thing with the shared data would be $200
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[21:35:37] <s1dev> Jymmm: he could stream in 1080p on the go
[21:36:00] <Jymmm> heh
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[22:27:39] <L84Supper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rjPFqkFyrOY#! that's what was missing from machine tools and robots! A LCD that displays face.
[22:32:51] <andypugh> Actually, I think that realy isone of the missing things.
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[22:37:38] <L84Supper> if you cut too hard or fast the face should start to cringe
[22:39:37] <andypugh> The eyeballs give easy feedback about what it's going to do
[22:40:40] <L84Supper> it would easy enough to convert error codes to facial expressions
[22:41:41] <L84Supper> or a WTF face when you enter too high a velocity or rotational speeds
[22:48:46] <ink_> lol interesting point to jump into the conversation ;P
[22:50:18] <L84Supper> ink_, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rjPFqkFyrOY#!
[22:51:53] <ink_> interesting
[22:52:49] <ink_> very cool
[22:53:12] <Loetmichel> i am asking myself how he detects when something is in his way
[22:53:21] <Loetmichel> just by motor current?
[22:53:43] <Loetmichel> looks like it in the video, i see no contact sensors
[22:54:17] <L84Supper> I'd go one step farther and add Mr Potatoehead options like ears and a hat
[22:54:53] <L84Supper> http://phys.org/news/2012-09-lines-baxter-pick-up-video.html here's where I found the story
[22:55:38] <L84Supper> force sensors to feels bumps into things
[22:57:39] <L84Supper> it doesn't mention any ultrasonic sensors for distance or foreign object detection
[22:58:19] <ink_> hm, isn't it some kind of force sensor in each joint?
[22:58:33] <L84Supper> 360 deg sonar and front camera
[22:58:40] <ink_> oh when something is in the way I see
[22:59:46] <L84Supper> Quick and easy ‘training’ by moving arms and joints as needed, with no programming required
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[23:10:11] <tjb1> the face makes it a little weird
[23:10:49] <Loetmichel> the face is a good idea to work with non.trained personal
[23:11:12] <tjb1> adds a lot of cost too
[23:11:26] <JT-Shop> I love questions like this one "I am having problem getting the steppers to move any ideas, I am lost.
[23:11:26] <JT-Shop> "
[23:11:40] <Loetmichel> so it can express errors or needs in a intuitive way, no need to study a programmers handbook
[23:11:57] <tjb1> JT-Shop: I am having trouble understanding what you type, any ideas?
[23:12:07] <JT-Shop> not a one, sorry
[23:12:10] <tjb1> No need for a screen to make things simple Loetmichel...
[23:12:10] <Loetmichel> tjb1: no, the screen with camery looks like a std tablet pc, maybe 100$ in extra cost and a bit soft
[23:12:52] <Loetmichel> tjb1: but need for a screen (and eyes) for a convenient Human user interface
[23:12:55] <tjb1> Plug in laptop hit teach
[23:13:15] <tjb1> move it around and such, unplug laptop...done
[23:13:41] <L84Supper> baseball or table tennis coach
[23:13:44] <tjb1> I dont see why it needs a face and expensive screen to make it stupid proof
[23:13:48] <Loetmichel> and that helps in which way when expressing "get out of my way, i have to work"?
[23:14:07] <Loetmichel> i dont see the expensive
[23:14:13] <Loetmichel> the screen ist dirt cheap
[23:14:28] <Loetmichel> cheaper than a dedicated laptop anyway
[23:14:31] <tjb1> Dirt cheap is a 1x2 screen
[23:14:44] <tjb1> Not cheaper when you have 1,2,10,20 of these things
[23:14:54] <tjb1> 1 laptop versus 20 screens
[23:15:06] <L84Supper> they sell for $22K ea
[23:15:16] <Loetmichel> even then the laptop would be more expensive
[23:15:34] <tjb1> Laptops are $400...
[23:15:36] <Loetmichel> the screen will cost less than 20$ in quantities
[23:15:47] <tjb1> Yeah less than $20 to the company
[23:15:53] <tjb1> Not less than $20 to the person buying it
[23:16:04] <tjb1> Switch on my car cost me $13
[23:16:11] <tjb1> Cost to make? Probably $.20
[23:16:34] <Loetmichel> tjb1: i give up, one cant argue with ppl who wont accept any reason
[23:17:01] <L84Supper> what if you combine one with Big Dog? http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/darpas-4-legged-robot-17211919
[23:17:20] <tjb1> Its cheaper to dump the screen and whatever software and time they have in it and make it where you plug a laptop in or hit a button on the arm and teach it
[23:17:35] <tjb1> They are going to be trained for it anyway, simple light on it flashing can mean "Go away"
[23:18:20] <Loetmichel> [01:16] <Loetmichel> tjb1: i give up, one cant argue with ppl who wont accept any reason
[23:19:01] <tjb1> I give up, cant explain to someone why it costs more to have a 6x9 color screen when a simple $20 light can do the same thing and why it will never work in industry ;)
[23:20:16] <L84Supper> http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/03/starleth-robot-big-dog/ improved Swiss version
[23:21:22] <L84Supper> it's odd seeing a 4 legged robot with no head
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[23:25:59] <JT-Shop> after you finish cutting with the torch is a bad time to remember where your cutting goggles are
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[23:27:02] <L84Supper> JT-Shop, oxy-acetylene or oxy propane?
[23:27:17] <JT-Shop> acetylene
[23:27:51] <L84Supper> I started using propane for cutting
[23:28:20] <JT-Shop> I use it so seldom that my small tanks last forever
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[23:33:45] <L84Supper> I picked up 3 330 cu ft certified tanks for $50 each this summer
[23:33:57] <JT-Shop> I didn't feel like wrestling a 6x6x1/4 x 20' square tube to the saw or the saw to the tube... so the torch came to the rescue
[23:34:36] <L84Supper> 20 inch or foot? :)
[23:34:41] <Tom_itx> foot
[23:34:42] <JT-Shop> foot
[23:35:06] <JT-Shop> I have 900 gallons of propane when all the tanks are full
[23:35:24] <JT-Shop> it's a 400lb beast
[23:35:53] <L84Supper> I just use the small propane tanks
[23:36:27] <L84Supper> the 330's are oxygen
[23:36:44] <JT-Shop> it would not be cost effective for me to switch, I might use it twice a year
[23:37:02] <L84Supper> my local menards always has stray tanks sitting out by the swap area
[23:37:42] <L84Supper> I get new full fresh tanks for the price of refills
[23:38:13] <L84Supper> not sure if people don't know how exchanges work or if they just drop of old tanks
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[23:47:13] <TVCas1> Can anyone help me connect the coolant to a glade panel
[23:48:55] <TVCas1> I want to be able to toggle it on or off
[23:57:57] <JT-Shop> halui
[23:58:36] <JT-Shop> TVCas1: http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=47&id=10494
[23:59:18] <TVCas1> Thank you!!