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[00:07:52] <taiden> mahalo
[00:07:56] <taiden> or however you spell it
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[00:31:23] <r00t4rd3d> http://youtu.be/otK1ROFzf6s
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[01:35:33] <taiden> r00t4rd3d: oh man, i lolled
[01:37:21] <r00t4rd3d> ha
[01:46:31] <ReadError_> asshole kid
[01:46:36] <ReadError_> breaks mailbox
[01:46:40] <ReadError_> no attempt to fix it
[01:49:36] <alex4nder> ReadError_: yes
[01:49:38] <alex4nder> fuck that kid
[01:49:55] <Jymmm> other than a m80, how does a kid break a mailbox?
[01:50:19] <ReadError_> ran into it with his face?
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[01:51:31] <Jymmm> and how is a kids face strong than a mailbox?
[01:51:39] <Jymmm> stronger
[01:52:00] <ReadError_> well look at the vid
[01:52:03] <ReadError_> its sideways
[01:52:25] <Jymmm> what video?
[01:53:12] <ReadError_> <r00t4rd3d> http://youtu.be/otK1ROFzf6s
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[01:56:25] <Jymmm> eh, the kid is bawling his eyes out. Had the mailbox been installed in concrete he'd be passed out. "Mailbox rotation upon impact is a built it safety feature"
[01:57:06] <Jymmm> Mailbox 1, Kid 0
[01:57:31] <ReadError_> well
[01:57:34] <ReadError_> if he didnt hit the mailbox
[01:57:39] <ReadError_> he would have obviously ran into the car
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[02:01:58] <andypugh> Right, it's been a ling day, time to log.
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[03:15:07] <FinboySlick> That reminds me of the poor kid on a ramp.
[03:15:21] <FinboySlick> Oh my, I'm late to the party.
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[05:11:31] <Jymmm> party, funeral, same diff.
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[05:30:59] <tjb1> r00t4rd3d: http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/621117_4222139027715_1959523718_o.jpg
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[05:44:14] <theos> people use facebook as photo uploading site... cool
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[07:03:01] <DJ9DJ> moin
[07:03:18] <Jymmm> yes, yes it is =)
[07:04:01] <DJ9DJ> ug Jymmm :)
[07:04:09] <Jymmm> grig
[07:04:11] <Jymmm> grog
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[08:16:02] <r00t4rd3d> Apple is the biggest rip off of them all.
[08:16:29] <r00t4rd3d> with their osx
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[08:21:25] <r00t4rd3d> freebsd should sue the shit out of them
[08:25:09] <r00t4rd3d> or att, who ever owns the licensing to that garbage.
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[08:37:20] <mrsun> to get a bond with a bolt in alu as strong as it would be in steel using threads, say i have a M8 grade 8.8 bolt and i want the threads as strong as it would be when i put it in steel insted of alu .. how thick would the thread have to be ? :)
[08:37:32] <mrsun> in steel from what i know its the same thickness as the bolt is wide
[08:38:35] <mrsun> but that rule cant be true with steel bolt vs alu "nut" :P
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[08:50:38] <r00t4rd3d> use a nut
[08:54:14] <andypugh> By "thick" do you mean the thread depth?
[08:57:49] <mrsun> yeah
[08:58:17] <mrsun> if i thread into alu, and a want a steel bolt to have the same holding strength as it would have if it was threaded in steel how deep would the thread have to be =)
[08:58:42] <andypugh> That probably depends on the steel and the Alu
[08:59:13] <mrsun> yeah true ... but in general, would it have to be 3 times as deep ... 5 times as deep etc ... =)0
[09:00:52] <r00t4rd3d> probably cant be deep enough
[09:01:16] <andypugh> I am not sure it is even always possible, due to the stress distribution and elastic deformations.
[09:05:43] <Jymmm> torqued down? extreme force on the bolt? "shearing action"?
[09:07:43] <Jymmm> vibration from equipment/aircraft?
[09:10:18] <r00t4rd3d> aircraft?
[09:11:09] <Jymmm> I find that using a higher thread count gives a strong "hold". It seems that the added threads distribute any load on the bolt across a larger surface area
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[09:14:30] <andypugh> Jymmm: I thought you were the guy who considered metric threads to be too fine? Or by "high thread count" do you mean "coarse"?
[09:15:17] <Jymmm> andypugh: no, fine threads. like 10-32 instead 10-24 as example.
[09:16:20] <Jymmm> andypugh: as far as metric threads, that wasn't me who made that comment.
[09:16:38] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a10_1345861205
[09:16:41] <r00t4rd3d> NYS video
[09:16:48] <r00t4rd3d> NYC
[09:18:42] <Jymmm> andypugh: We had to switch from course to fine threads once, as we were stripping out thread inserts. Hitting 7G's (log) didn't help much either.
[09:21:48] <Jymmm> Made it a PITA, but eh.
[09:25:07] <andypugh> Jymmm: Sorry, I seem to have randomly confused you with pfred1 who said: [22:50:21] <pfred1> frallzor I like hardware with pitch
[09:25:59] <andypugh> Back in 2009? What is wrong with my memory? Why can't I remeber important stuffs instead?
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[09:46:38] <archivist> old age :)
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[10:46:33] <r00t4rd3d> what are things that thyristor's are in?
[10:47:51] <archivist> speed controllers, power supplies and a few other things
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[10:57:35] <r00t4rd3d> does it matter if you feed the gate + or - ?
[10:59:51] <archivist> yes
[11:00:34] <r00t4rd3d> what should it be?
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[11:12:54] <archivist> depends what you want to happen, reverse bias to keep switched off, forward to switch on
[11:14:18] <r00t4rd3d> ahh
[11:18:02] <archivist> and they remain on while current flows, you cannot switch off by the gate, you also need to stop current flow(easy on AC)
[11:18:59] <r00t4rd3d> i was reading the evidence against ramzi yousef
[11:19:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://peterlance.com/wordpress/?p=682
[11:21:34] <r00t4rd3d> making bomb timers out of watches :/
[11:21:43] <r00t4rd3d> crazy arabs
[11:22:43] <r00t4rd3d> i want to make a replica that flashes a led but doesnt blow any thing up
[11:23:28] <r00t4rd3d> like the defusable arduino clock
[11:24:55] <r00t4rd3d> http://arduino.cc/forum/index.php?topic=76850.0
[11:25:01] <r00t4rd3d> take that on a plane
[11:25:39] <r00t4rd3d> duct taped to your chest
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[11:41:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://nootropicdesign.com/defusableclock/gallery.html
[11:41:38] <r00t4rd3d> im not even sure how you could explain some of those :/
[11:42:26] <r00t4rd3d> its just for halloween occifer.
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[13:30:53] <joe9> what is the deal with this? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Cp1
[13:31:03] <joe9> why is it called "controversial"?
[13:31:14] <joe9> what was "controversial" about it?
[13:32:39] <archivist> re read, conversational
[13:32:52] <joe9> oops, sorry.
[13:33:02] <joe9> archivist: thanks.
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[13:37:14] <joe9> what is the most uptodate of the gcode generators in this http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators
[13:37:29] <joe9> i just want to generate gcode for simple circles
[13:37:36] <archivist> try them all and tell us
[13:38:51] <archivist> you do know you can use an editor and just write plain gcode missing all the broken generators step
[13:39:30] <joe9> yes, but using/finding a good gcode generator helps in not having to do that all the time.
[13:40:25] <archivist> I learnt early on that writing gcode was the quick way for me
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[13:54:14] <r00t4rd3d> thats just crazy
[13:54:40] <r00t4rd3d> and really not practical
[13:55:19] <archivist> all depends on the stuff you make
[13:55:27] <r00t4rd3d> detailed parts that are 100k +
[13:55:36] <r00t4rd3d> take you a week to do by hand
[13:55:49] <r00t4rd3d> probably longer to error check
[13:58:30] <r00t4rd3d> joe9, are trying to do image to gcode?
[13:58:56] <joe9> i have a .step file, with a bunch of circular pockets that I am trying to mill.
[13:59:13] <r00t4rd3d> cut2d
[13:59:19] <joe9> what archivist says is not practical for me. I tried writing the gcode route and it takes me a lot longer to write/debug
[13:59:24] <r00t4rd3d> not sure if it will open step files though
[13:59:28] <joe9> easier to get gcode generated.
[13:59:41] <r00t4rd3d> error wise a lot safer too
[13:59:53] <joe9> i created the .step files from freecad using a python script.
[14:00:03] <r00t4rd3d> do you have the dxf?
[14:00:08] <joe9> no
[14:00:16] <r00t4rd3d> can u generate one?
[14:00:21] <joe9> r00t4rd3d: i am just installing pycam. let me try it.
[14:00:28] <joe9> r00t4rd3d: have you used pycam?
[14:00:41] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
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[14:01:15] <r00t4rd3d> to slow for me
[14:01:21] <joe9> oh, ok. what do you use then?
[14:01:35] <r00t4rd3d> cut2d
[14:01:46] <joe9> let me google that.
[14:01:48] <joe9> thanks.
[14:01:51] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[14:02:16] <r00t4rd3d> you are probably not going to like what you find
[14:02:24] <joe9> do you have a url then?
[14:04:21] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.vectric.com/
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[14:20:52] <ReadError_> joe9
[14:20:56] <ReadError_> in visualmill
[14:21:03] <ReadError_> i can do a toolpath in ~5-10mins
[14:22:20] <archivist> but can you make a .2 module helical gear...
[14:23:00] <joe9> ReadError_: ok, thanks. let me check up on visualmill too.
[14:23:22] <archivist> a class of work needs a certain class of tool
[14:23:34] <ReadError_> solidworks + visualmill seemed to be my ultimate power combo
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[14:45:00] <r00t4rd3d> sketchup+cut2d for me :D
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[14:46:06] <joe9> r00t4rd3d: what is the jessica.zip, the url that you sent me?
[14:47:08] <joe9> pycam does not install on my machine. so, next step is try cut2d
[14:48:43] <r00t4rd3d> try the stand alone version of pycam
[14:49:35] <r00t4rd3d> Windows standalone executable (no requirements)
[14:51:11] <joe9> i am on linux. do not have a windows version.
[14:51:20] <joe9> let me try their download instead of the git repo.
[14:51:21] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[14:51:51] <r00t4rd3d> cut2d is windows
[14:52:05] <r00t4rd3d> not sure if you can wine it or not, never tried
[14:53:08] <jdh> never tried, but when I asked vectric, they said people were running it in wine.
[14:53:18] <joe9> r00t4rd3d: ok, thanks.
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[15:11:46] <bpuk> fifth power cut of the day, guess I'm not going to get any machining done
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[15:18:07] * JT-Shop hands bpuk a file
[15:19:18] <bpuk> heh, stuff that - I've fired up linuxcnc-sim and carried on fiddling with G71 (on a machine with a UPS)
[15:20:04] * Jymmm tosses bpuk some thermite, have fun!
[15:20:22] <bpuk> still bewildered as to what the UW axes are on a lathe in linuxcnc though ;)
[15:21:06] <Jymmm> anyone use unipunch before?
[15:21:37] <jdh> bpuk: not linuxcnc, but: The "U" letter address relates to X-axis incremental moves and the "W" letter address relates to Z-axis incremental moves.
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[15:22:14] <uw> ??
[15:22:30] <uw> you rang?
[15:22:42] <Jymmm> wrong number
[15:22:58] <bpuk> thanks jdh - unless I get someone telling me they're used differently in linuxcnc I'll work with that
[15:23:31] <bpuk> uw: sorry, asking about the axes :P
[15:25:57] <jdh> bpuk: no clue. That is listed as Haas SL and maybe Fanuc
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[15:26:47] <bpuk> alternatively, I could simply not implement them at all, and throw up an error if someone tries to use them for a cycle. Once someone complains that it doesn't work as expected I can fix it then
[15:27:14] <jdh> what are you writing?
[15:27:27] <bpuk> G71 roughing cycle
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[15:28:23] <bpuk> To forestall the next question - type 1 only at this point (no pockets)
[15:28:26] <jdh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?HaasRoughingFinishing
[15:28:31] <jdh> that U/W?
[15:29:23] <bpuk> nope, can't use them as they are classes as axis words - U/W on a haas will be J/L in this implementation
[15:33:30] * archivist wonders what bpuk is making/converting
[15:34:44] <bpuk> archivist: I have a converted denford easiturn 3 running on linuxcnc - the router is on mach3 (and will be converted), the mill is a bridgeport on a heidenhain control (that wont be converted unless something major breaks)
[15:35:14] <archivist> I have done a denford starturn
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[15:35:55] <archivist> and a "5 axis thing"
[15:36:14] <archivist> and next on the list is a hobbing machine
[15:36:26] <bpuk> heh, plenty of machines in your shop then :)
[15:37:08] <archivist> shop!..garage, kitchen, upstairs bedroom
[15:37:39] <bpuk> ah-ha - I know that feeling
[15:43:24] <joe9> for circular pockets, conventional milling or climb milling? with a taig?
[15:43:44] <joe9> ReadError_: what does your toolpath generate? climb or conventional milling?
[15:44:07] <archivist> conventional unless machine is beyond reproach
[15:44:11] <r00t4rd3d> joe conventional
[15:44:23] <joe9> ok, thanks.
[15:46:46] <r00t4rd3d> "Police: All Empire State shooting victims were wounded by officers"
[15:46:57] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/25/justice/new-york-empire-state-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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[15:47:41] <r00t4rd3d> funny when the police are more dangerous then the people they are trying to take down.
[15:50:31] <joe9> quick question, when the spindle is clockwise, should I be moving clockwise or counterclockwise for conventional milling?
[15:51:41] <joe9> i am trying to make a circular pocket
[15:51:53] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milling_cutter#Conventional_milling_versus_climb_milling
[15:52:45] <joe9> yes, I read that and from that I think clockwise, but, am not very sure.
[15:52:53] <Jymmm> =)
[15:53:02] <joe9> just wanted to check if there is some trick to figuring that out.
[15:53:15] <Jymmm> http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCCNCMillFeedsSpeedsClimbConventional.htm
[15:56:12] <Jymmm> joe9: From these illustrations, conventional is like a table saw. if you in front of the saw (dont actually do that =), the blade is spinning towards you, while you feed material away from you. http://web.mit.edu/2.670/www/Tutorials/Machining/mill/Description.html#5
[15:56:29] <joe9> so, I figure spindle == clockwise, direction of the cutter == clockwise, then conventional milling
[15:57:01] <joe9> so, I figure spindle == clockwise, direction of the cutter == COUNTERclockwise, then climb milling
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[16:01:24] <JT-Shop> conventional milling is for manual machines or machines with sloppy lead screws
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[16:02:15] <JT-Shop> conventional cutting the cutting force pushes the end mill back and takes out slack but produces a poor finish due to the scraping of the first part of the cut
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[16:02:41] <archivist> or small springy machines!
[16:02:46] <JT-Shop> yes
[16:03:12] <Jymmm> joe9: Per that link, as I see it, if your material came loose from it's clamps, If you were using conventional, then the material could be shot back at you. With climb, it could potentially "bind" the cutter. If you are just trying to find a way to remember the differences that is. (someone correct me if I'm mistaken)
[16:04:25] <joe9> " spindle == clockwise, direction of the cutter == clockwise, then conventional milling " -- is this correct?
[16:04:30] <joe9> archivist: any thoughts on the above?
[16:04:42] <JT-Shop> no
[16:04:58] <JT-Shop> inside or outside profile?
[16:04:59] <joe9> archivist: you probably must be pretty good at this given that you write gcode manually. can you please help?
[16:05:03] <archivist> depends which side of the cutter is cutting
[16:05:05] <joe9> inside profile.
[16:05:45] <JT-Shop> inside you go CW for conventional
[16:06:17] <joe9> ok, thanks. inside profile + spindle CW + movement CW = conventional milling.
[16:06:30] <joe9> outside profile + spindle CW + movement CW = climb milling.
[16:06:45] <JT-Shop> unless you have a funny end mill the spindle will always be CW
[16:06:57] <joe9> outside profile + spindle CW + movement CCW = conventianl milling.
[16:07:08] <JT-Shop> last two are backwards
[16:07:56] <joe9> jt-shop, are you sure? I think they are correct.
[16:08:14] <archivist> for fun, think about work mounted on a rotary
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[16:09:09] <joe9> jt-shop, i think you are mistaken. do you agree?
[16:11:08] <JT-Shop> no outside profile CW is climb and CCW is conventional
[16:11:14] <JT-Shop> no,
[16:11:49] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Final Answer?
[16:11:57] <joe9> JT-Shop: isn't that what I said? or, did I miss something? not trying to question you, just want to understand.
[16:12:00] <JT-Shop> joe9: do you understand what climb and conventional mean?
[16:12:25] <joe9> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milling_cutter jt-shop, I am looking at the wiki diagrams for the climb vs conventional.
[16:12:51] <JT-Shop> climb start out with a big bite and taper off to nothing, conventional start out with nothing and progress to big bite
[16:13:35] <joe9> outside profile + spindle CW + movement CW = climb milling -- isn't this what you are saying too?
[16:13:46] <JT-Shop> the diagrams are correct but your interperting them wrong
[16:14:14] <joe9> that's very probable.
[16:14:31] <JT-Shop> yes outside CW = climb
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[16:15:03] <JT-Shop> assume normal milling tools where the spindle is always CW
[16:15:38] <joe9> inside profile + spindle CW + movement CW = conventional milling
[16:15:43] <joe9> outside profile + spindle CW + movement CW = climb milling
[16:15:50] <joe9> outside profile + spindle CW + movement CCW = conventianl milling
[16:16:22] <JT-Shop> yes
[16:16:28] <joe9> JT-Shop: thanks.
[16:16:44] <joe9> for the sake of completeness, inside profile + spindle CW + movement CCW = climb milling
[16:17:30] <JT-Shop> yes
[16:17:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Would it be safe to say that conventional (be it inside or outside) is where the cutter and material move in opposite directions, and climb in where they move in the same direction?
[16:18:05] <JT-Shop> see point A where the cutter starts cutting for conventional?
[16:18:06] <archivist> no
[16:18:17] <JT-Shop> no
[16:18:31] <archivist> depends if there is any pulling in action or not
[16:18:53] <Jymmm> Are these drawigs correct? http://web.mit.edu/2.670/www/Tutorials/Machining/mill/Description.html#5
[16:19:17] <archivist> yes
[16:19:24] <Jymmm> (they inverted the cutter in the climb )
[16:20:18] <archivist> now think about that cutter diving vertically into the work
[16:20:19] <joe9> Jymmm : "inside profile + spindle CW + movement CW = conventional milling " the cutter and material are not moving in opposite direction, correct?
[16:20:26] <Jymmm> In climb, the cutter is moving right to left, and the material is moving left to right, or 'opposite' as I mentioned above.
[16:20:45] <Jymmm> err conventional I mena
[16:21:31] <joe9> i do not know if anyone has access to wiki pages of linuxcnc, but I think this needs to be added there.
[16:21:51] <archivist> it is about what the forces do to the system as a whole
[16:22:50] <JT-Shop> <JT-Shop> see point A where the cutter starts cutting for conventional?
[16:23:03] <JT-Shop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milling_cutter
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[16:24:44] <archivist> if deep enough, the conventional pulls the cutter downward rather than backwards and out of the cut
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[16:28:02] <joe9> summary of the above conversation: http://codepad.org/x0FFUEqt
[16:28:33] <Loetmichel> *grrr* that HAD to happen... *note to self:* Cable ties that have been 2 jears in the sun on the balcony cant hold ANY force... but the break edges are sharp enough to slit the thumb... *putting on a bandaid* *bleed*
[16:29:16] <archivist> joe9, last line no it depends!
[16:29:21] <Jymmm> is a cable tie cut worse than a paper cut?
[16:29:52] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: deeper... more blood ;-)
[16:30:22] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: and the pain level?
[16:30:36] <archivist> not, I cannot feel a thing
[16:30:51] <Loetmichel> cant tell, dont feel THAT much pain anyways
[16:31:00] <Jymmm> heh
[16:31:23] <Loetmichel> i.E i am good in ignoring pain ;-)
[16:32:25] <Jymmm> paper cuts always seem to sting really bad compared to other cuts which sometimes I dn't even know I've been cut except for the pool/trail of blood and I'm like "What did I get cut on?"
[16:35:02] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i know that feeling
[16:35:27] <Loetmichel> "shi*, where did i get THAT cut... lets see hof far the blood trail goes!"
[16:35:28] <archivist> joe9, and the thing that upsets the apple cart is cam software assumes a good machine and it can climb mill for a better finish
[16:36:07] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: then I ignore the cut itself and go crazy running around trying to figure out what I got cut on in the first place =)
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[16:37:21] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i am a bit more responsible. i put on a bandaid first, so i dont have to clean the whole workshop of the blood, and THEN go searcing for the culprit
[16:38:37] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Eh, there's usually enough blood already and a little more isn't going to change that much from me having to mop it up
[16:39:59] <Loetmichel> *giggle*
[16:40:15] <Loetmichel> it seems we are two of a kind ;-)
[16:40:52] <Loetmichel> the thumb is in the way all the time anyways...
[16:41:28] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: legs usually.
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[16:41:50] <Loetmichel> got a 3mm mill bit through, got the tip severed by a bandsaw, multiple cuts deep enough to leave a scar, it seems this thumb wants to die ;-)
[16:42:43] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Put a Titanium Thumb sleeve on your xmas list =)
[16:43:03] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[16:43:21] <Jymmm> thumb armor!
[16:46:28] <Loetmichel> ... the bandsaw was a BLODDY mess, though... (warning, bit blood) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11133
[16:46:55] <Loetmichel> (and that was AFTER i removed the REAL oversized bandage from the doc)
[16:47:51] <Loetmichel> really, how did they think i coud work with this? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11130
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[17:23:41] <IchGuckLive> hi all
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[17:36:17] <tjb1> afternoon all!
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[17:45:46] <IchGuckLive> B) its late here in Germany
[17:46:07] <tronwizard> what's your offset from GMT ?
[17:46:50] <jdh> TIME response from IchGuckLive: Sa 25 Aug 2012 19:46:23 CEST
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[18:01:19] <IchGuckLive> +2 i guess
[18:01:26] <tjb1> Here is a good video showing a belt on belt drive system...just mute it before you play it though - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9QU3YQe-Sc&feature=related
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[18:04:22] <IchGuckLive> for wood you can use also chain from bicycle thats good pricise
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[18:04:55] <IchGuckLive> there ae cheep 2,5m bullnuts around
[18:05:04] <IchGuckLive> around 250Euros
[18:07:21] <IchGuckLive> pk im off by it is always a plesure to talk to you Folks
[18:07:32] <IchGuckLive> B) :D O.O
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[18:07:56] <ReadError_> ScribbleJ: ever get the machine running?
[18:08:35] <tjb1> Latest progress - http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/621117_4222139027715_1959523718_o.jpg
[18:09:58] <ReadError_> wow nice
[18:11:17] <tjb1> The enclosure just happens to fall on the frame pieces so I dont have to make any frame for it :D
[18:13:48] <ReadError_> hows the lead screws going to be attached?
[18:14:47] <tjb1> rack and pinion
[18:20:46] <tjb1> Rack should be here monday
[18:25:15] <ReadError_> plasma ?
[18:27:32] <tjb1> both
[18:30:12] <tjb1> still waiting on ahren to ship my order
[18:33:43] <tjb1> Anyone in here have a Snap N' Cut on their plasma?
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[19:50:25] <jthornton> I see a lot of torn up belt in the belt on belt close up
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[20:20:03] <Jymmm> tjb1: Where's the beer dispenser?
[20:24:20] <tjb1> in the fridge
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[21:04:17] <Jymmm> tjb1: how far is that from the recliner?
[21:04:26] <Jymmm> or hammock
[21:04:52] <tjb1> the fridge is the recliner
[21:05:19] <Jymmm> lol
[21:05:41] <Jymmm> and the coils of the frig is the hammock?
[21:05:51] <tjb1> no those are the ass warmers
[21:06:21] <Jymmm> hot waffle butt huh?
[21:07:11] <tjb1> waffle butt?
[21:10:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=852_1345923451
[21:12:23] <tjb1> Have you ever watched the jesus chatline stuff on youtube?
[21:17:31] <bpuk> For the lathe linuxcnc users - still buggy, non-robust, but working for OD front tool lathes:
[21:17:33] <bpuk> http://www.bpuk.org/linuxcnc/g71_finish_allowances.png
[21:18:32] <bpuk> now for the annoying bit (writing test profiles to cover all the major use cases and breaking stuff)
[21:22:20] <r00t4rd3d> what should i charge for 20 of these
[21:22:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/Tpj4f
[21:22:37] <r00t4rd3d> they 4x3.5"
[21:23:31] <r00t4rd3d> they take 2 minutes to cut out
[21:24:27] <archivist> setup time +cutting time+materials +profit+overheads
[21:24:51] <r00t4rd3d> i told the lady probably $75
[21:26:03] <r00t4rd3d> i can do them all in an hour
[21:27:54] <r00t4rd3d> anyone got a free domain name coupon?
[21:27:55] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[21:27:59] <bpuk> depends on your hourly charge rate - I typically charge about £40/hr - which covers overhead+profit+my time. $75 seems pretty reasonable - but the customer could be expecting anything really. Last place I worked had a base charge rate of £100 ($160?) /hr on mdf.
[21:29:46] <tjb1> hey r00t4rd3d
[21:29:52] <tjb1> You can host for free at www.000webhost.com
[21:29:58] <tjb1> but I don't know where you can get a domain for free
[21:30:09] <archivist> another thing to take into account is the amount of time you can be working and not conversing/getting jobs
[21:30:11] <tjb1> Godaddy has ones like .info for like $2 for a year
[21:30:54] <archivist> run your own dns and subdomains are free :)
[21:31:47] <tjb1> I hate working on websites :)
[21:31:56] <r00t4rd3d> i dont mind
[21:32:22] <r00t4rd3d> i imagine running my own dns would involve headaches
[21:32:56] <r00t4rd3d> something ive never done
[21:32:59] <tjb1> what do you plan on building the site with
[21:33:01] <archivist> you need a friend running secondary dns
[21:33:18] <r00t4rd3d> tjb1, notepad
[21:33:29] <tjb1> oh someone got skills
[21:33:51] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:33:55] <r00t4rd3d> gmoin
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[21:34:33] <r00t4rd3d> i have dreamweaver somewhere on disk too
[21:34:48] <archivist> ew
[21:34:54] <r00t4rd3d> an old version
[21:34:57] <r00t4rd3d> when it was cool
[21:35:02] <archivist> wetdream
[21:35:15] <tjb1> I won't say what I use
[21:35:25] <r00t4rd3d> now you have to
[21:35:27] <archivist> always produced code that needs cleaning
[21:35:29] <bpuk> dreamweaver was never cool ;)
[21:35:38] <r00t4rd3d> 10 years ago it was
[21:35:50] <tjb1> Cant r00t
[21:36:01] <tjb1> I use to use rapidweaver
[21:36:19] <r00t4rd3d> what do you use now man? they have some linux ones that are not too bad
[21:36:21] <archivist> you only need an editor
[21:36:30] <tjb1> wordpress :P
[21:36:31] <bpuk> I'll stick with vi :P
[21:36:47] <r00t4rd3d> thats blog, not "site"
[21:36:53] <archivist> wot! another vi user?
[21:37:03] <tjb1> You don't have to make a blog
[21:37:10] <tjb1> lol
[21:37:13] <r00t4rd3d> vi is the worst app i ever had the pleasure to run
[21:37:17] <tjb1> It has a bunch of plugins
[21:37:27] <bpuk> well, vim
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[21:37:48] <bpuk> you can always use emacs if you don't enjoy vi
[21:37:59] <r00t4rd3d> i use nano on linux
[21:37:59] <archivist> I stick with vi commands, never got used to vim extras
[21:38:13] <r00t4rd3d> or gedit
[21:38:22] <r00t4rd3d> for gui
[21:38:58] <bpuk> tbh, pretty much everything I use command-wise is from vi - I can't think of a single case I've used a vim extra - but... it tends to be the only one available as a package now
[21:39:13] <archivist> I do use gedit and meld these days
[21:39:34] <bpuk> you have X on your development system? ye gods (btw, I'm mostly kidding here, gedit is pretty solid)
[21:40:05] <archivist> I am on my dev box which is serving etc
[21:40:40] <r00t4rd3d> u run a dns service?
[21:40:44] <archivist> yes
[21:41:00] <r00t4rd3d> hmm, so you can do like archivist.org
[21:41:24] <r00t4rd3d> dont you still need to register then name some place?
[21:42:05] <bpuk> not for subdomains - archivist.org would need registering - but root4rd3d.archivist.org wouldn't
[21:42:19] <archivist> yes I use a cheapo registrar then http://www.collection.archivist.info/
[21:42:45] <archivist> there is also gears.archivist.info and a few others
[21:43:25] <r00t4rd3d> those are virtual domains right?
[21:43:34] <r00t4rd3d> what do you run for dns software?
[21:43:47] <archivist> bind
[21:44:06] <r00t4rd3d> hmm i think i have screwed with that before
[21:45:07] <r00t4rd3d> at one point in time i ran forum/irc/web server
[21:45:28] <r00t4rd3d> but i just used no-ip.com for domain crap
[21:45:33] <archivist> so if one has a strange hobby one can keep it quiet on another domain http://www.adjustable.archivist.info/
[21:46:28] <archivist> or develop something on an unpublished subdomain
[21:46:54] <r00t4rd3d> you need to better optimize your images for web
[21:47:15] <bpuk> which oddly seem to get spidered by google on a routine basis - despite not being published anywhere
[21:47:38] <r00t4rd3d> you can stop that with a txt file
[21:48:01] <archivist> because its damned hard not to accidently put it somewhere
[21:48:18] <r00t4rd3d> google would still find it
[21:48:20] <bpuk> I have, but it's odd that they find any subdomain - even completely unpublished
[21:48:31] <bpuk> and there are some nice AJ's there :)
[21:49:33] <r00t4rd3d> im sure they search with ips looking for open port 80
[21:50:02] <bpuk> well rats, my code so far doesn't work for boring at all - debug time
[21:50:20] <r00t4rd3d> spray some coolant
[21:50:23] <bpuk> and dunno, they might just do a lookup, or query each server asking for subdomains or something
[21:51:19] <archivist> more like they scan your email when you talk to customer
[21:51:48] <bpuk> by unpublished I mean: set up, never mentioned, not in e-mail, not on web. just... setup - not even with a site on it
[21:54:02] <archivist> I dont remember google finding any of my real unpublished ones
[21:55:54] <r00t4rd3d> i see all your domains
[21:56:05] <r00t4rd3d> wench
[21:56:10] <r00t4rd3d> camlog
[21:56:14] <r00t4rd3d> le65
[21:56:17] <r00t4rd3d> manx
[21:56:42] <r00t4rd3d> marialog
[22:00:05] <r00t4rd3d> you log some weird shit
[22:03:12] <r00t4rd3d> bristol night race on tonight
[22:05:12] <r00t4rd3d> i need to get my redneck pants on
[22:06:56] <bpuk> redneck pants? I'm almost afraid to ask
[22:07:52] <r00t4rd3d> tighty whitey
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[22:13:49] <r00t4rd3d> ahh the lady jumped on my 75 #
[22:14:50] <bpuk> :D
[22:16:06] <r00t4rd3d> of course after she requested a slight change in the design that forces me to start from scratch.
[22:16:22] <bpuk> of course
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[22:42:09] <tjb1> archivist: You have a whole website about adjustable wrenches?
[22:42:27] * archivist admits nothing :)
[22:42:49] <archivist> I have a "few" spanners
[22:42:50] <Jymmm> If you created a (lets say) 4" round bead in a piece of 6" x6" sheet metal, does it serve any purpose? or does the bead have to cross (x) to give it strength?
[22:43:08] <Jymmm> shallow bead
[22:43:43] <tjb1> The bead would give it strength from bending across it
[22:44:03] <Jymmm> ty
[22:46:49] <tjb1> archivist: a few?
[22:47:05] <tjb1> Like 20 on page 2
[22:47:23] <archivist> a couple of hundred, website is way behind reality
[22:48:41] <archivist> Im thinking wordpress was a bad idea for that as was mediawiki, they get spammed too much
[22:49:18] <tjb1> spammed in what?
[22:49:20] <tjb1> the comments?
[22:49:22] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/N9rSm.jpg
[22:49:24] <r00t4rd3d> heh
[22:49:27] <archivist> yup
[22:50:43] <tjb1> I think there are plugins for it
[22:50:46] <tjb1> let me check mine
[22:51:44] <tjb1> Try this archivist Akismet
[22:52:30] <archivist> I have it installed
[22:52:50] <archivist> and tightened up a lot
[22:54:11] <tjb1> hmm
[22:55:08] <archivist> there are other reasons to hate wordpress as well :)
[22:56:03] <archivist> shows up in my slow query log due to the way it works
[22:57:46] <tjb1> Do you have captcha on
[22:58:31] <tjb1> "Cleantalk. Spam protect" looks good
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[23:00:55] <archivist> I get far fewer than I used to, looks like 9 since I last had a clean 6 months ago
[23:03:15] <tjb1> I haven't touched mine since I moved it
[23:04:24] <tjb1> I was on rapid weaver but all the cart options sucked
[23:05:00] <tjb1> Do you use any carts on wordpress?
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[23:05:27] <archivist> I wonder if I should just carry on in my collection system instead http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=adjustable
[23:06:34] <r00t4rd3d> weirdo
[23:06:38] <archivist> not so well isolated though, as its being a picture database there
[23:07:09] <r00t4rd3d> first ive ever seen a spanner fetish
[23:07:12] <tjb1> What do you do with all these
[23:07:42] <r00t4rd3d> not sure we want to know
[23:07:58] <archivist> use some, research the failures
[23:08:27] <archivist> far more productive than stamp collecting I think
[23:08:31] <r00t4rd3d> do you goto auctions looking for them?
[23:08:54] <archivist> only fleabay
[23:09:13] <r00t4rd3d> anyone watching nascar?
[23:10:42] <r00t4rd3d> a channel full of rednecks and i am the only one?
[23:15:42] <r00t4rd3d> bristol night race is one of the best their is
[23:19:17] <tjb1> yes you are the only one
[23:19:27] <tjb1> left turns are boring
[23:20:09] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/LIMRk.jpg
[23:20:43] <bpuk> alas, nascar insist on driving with 4 wheels... I only watch races with 2 :P
[23:23:23] <tjb1> You mad r00t4rd3d ?
[23:23:43] <tjb1> They won't even race in the rain
[23:24:36] <tjb1> http://www.amaproracing.com/images/content/story/SuperSport6.jpg
[23:27:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://lowdownblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/nascar-rain.jpg
[23:27:59] <r00t4rd3d> they have rain setups, just never use thm
[23:28:01] <archivist> mere drizzle
[23:30:10] <archivist> men ride the Isle of Man TT
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[23:36:13] <taiden> evening gents
[23:36:21] <taiden> just got the d525 built, about to start it up
[23:36:29] <taiden> any tricks to making a usb bootable linuxcnc distro?
[23:36:31] <Tom_itx> nice
[23:36:40] <Tom_itx> just set it in the bios
[23:36:51] <Tom_itx> i made one work pretty easy
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[23:37:01] <taiden> do you just "burn" the disk image to the usb drive?
[23:37:17] <Tom_itx> i use that program... to do it.. i forget the name
[23:37:25] <taiden> alright
[23:37:27] <taiden> i'll give it a go
[23:37:40] <taiden> fingers crossed that i can leave this latency nightmare behind
[23:37:44] <Tom_itx> i'm sure someone here will pipe up and tell you what it's called
[23:37:47] <ries> good evening… questin for you… I want to install emc2 on a Debian Squeeze system. Does anybody know a easy route to install rtai on Squeeze? Additionally, if I need to install rtai myself (compile etc…) should I use 3.7, 3.8 or 3.9 of rtai?
[23:38:18] <taiden> Tom_itx: do you prefer hardy or lynx for the d525?
[23:38:19] <r00t4rd3d> unrybootin
[23:38:21] <r00t4rd3d> err
[23:38:24] <r00t4rd3d> unetbootin
[23:38:28] <Tom_itx> yean
[23:38:33] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:38:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[23:38:41] <Tom_itx> i used 10.04
[23:38:47] <Tom_itx> works great
[23:38:54] <archivist> ries, what kernel is on that
[23:38:58] <Tom_itx> oh, how much ram do you have?
[23:39:03] <ries> archivist:
[23:39:24] <Tom_itx> you may not have to worry if you're loading from the usb
[23:39:37] <taiden> ram is an awkward story
[23:39:44] <taiden> i bought 4gb on a single stick by mistake
[23:39:45] <Tom_itx> but there is an issue on the install with networking being plugged in or 4g ram
[23:39:45] <archivist> ries, I think the wiki has docs somewhere
[23:39:51] <taiden> who knows if it will work
[23:39:59] <Tom_itx> either will trigger the install to get screwy
[23:40:02] <r00t4rd3d> taiden, did it reconize all 4 on one stick?
[23:40:12] <taiden> i'm about to find out
[23:40:14] <taiden> havne't booted it up yet
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[23:40:27] <r00t4rd3d> you might have to update the bios to get it too see all of it
[23:40:32] <taiden> alright
[23:40:35] <taiden> i'll check it out
[23:40:41] <taiden> Tom_itx: what's that noise about 4gb and installation?
[23:40:44] <archivist> ries, start here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_EMC2
[23:40:45] <r00t4rd3d> i know there is a updated bios for that board
[23:41:32] <ries> archivist: I was looking at some docs, but they are confusing I was looking at : http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Squeeze_Compile_RTAI
[23:41:32] <r00t4rd3d> taiden just dont plug in the internet till you get it installed
[23:41:40] <ries> amd then all of a sudding it talks about lenny
[23:41:47] <r00t4rd3d> or dont let it update during install
[23:42:03] <ries> And some guy sayd : I've made a patch of my own, available at http://dl.coldelectrons.com/rtai_3.7.1-2.1.diff.gz but that's not for download
[23:42:38] <taiden> alright
[23:42:39] <taiden> thanks all
[23:42:41] <taiden> here we go!
[23:42:42] <Tom_itx> taiden it ignores the linuxcnc install if you have 4g ram or if you're connected to the internet
[23:42:55] <Tom_itx> 2g works fine
[23:42:56] <ries> archivist: I will follow that..
[23:42:58] <taiden> Tom_itx: that's awkward
[23:43:01] <Tom_itx> yeah
[23:43:08] <Tom_itx> it took a bit to figure that out
[23:43:09] <taiden> Tom_itx: I only have a single 4gb card so we'll see what happens, for science!
[23:43:09] <archivist> ries, why do you think most of use use the livecd's
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[23:44:00] <ries> archivist: this computer doesnt't have a CD-ROM, not a floppy disk and doesn't support notting from USB. I found a bootable HD that booted into Win2K, then I used a windows installer of Debian to get Linux on the HD :D
[23:44:12] <tjb1> That was a great finish - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOWUjO-fkvI
[23:44:21] <ries> additionally, the liveCD of ubuntu didn't work 2 years ago on this computer…
[23:44:48] <archivist> ries, I had a similar problem a week ago, I built the hard disk on another machine
[23:45:16] <ries> I only have computers that have the serial IDE HD style, not the parallel
[23:48:28] <r00t4rd3d> simple. install windows then 10.04 with the wubi feature then add linuxcnc repos
[23:48:54] <r00t4rd3d> rip the kernel and sources off the live cd
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[23:52:18] <ries> r00t4rd3d: I just got rit of windows :D
[23:52:52] <ries> I will figure it out… will go for a 2.6.30 kernel with rtai 3.7.1, I though I used that before
[23:54:35] <archivist> I used my win2k to get my livecd, chucked that in the 5axis machine with a blank hd then moved the hd to the target machine
[23:55:25] <archivist> I missed all the fails I had in that sentence
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[23:56:55] <taiden> 4gb recognized by the board
[23:56:59] <taiden> according to BIOS
[23:57:01] <taiden> go figure
[23:57:31] <taiden> i plugged in both the ATX power header and the 2x2 power header, was that the correct method?
[23:57:46] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[23:58:40] <r00t4rd3d> not sure why that board needs the 2x2 though
[23:59:02] <taiden> i thought it might be an either/or kind of thing
[23:59:09] <taiden> 2x2 for mobile installs for example?