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[04:33:29] <Jymmm> tap tap tap... is this thing on?
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[09:47:25] <archivist> hmm has someone made a sbc version of linuxcnc http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/cncusb-mk2-axis-cnc-controller-p-492.html?cPath=15
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[10:36:05] <awallin> archivist: rasPI and/or beagleboard were discussed on the list at some point
[10:36:38] <awallin> I guess it depends on having the rtai kernel. most of those boards are ARM-based.
[10:37:05] <awallin> but it's hard to compete with an ITX/Atom board + mesa PCI-card for both performance and price I think
[10:40:37] <archivist> for me I think that is cheaper than an atom plus mesa cards
[10:41:28] <archivist> the manual link is dead so cant read more
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[12:55:38] <L84Supper> archivist, http://www.robosan.com.tr/pdfs/CNCUSB%20manual.pdf looks like this might be the manual that covers the MK2
[12:57:38] <L84Supper> page #14 has the 9 axis version, there is a sticker covering the micro on the PCB, still not sure what part number it is
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[12:57:53] <archivist> the fact that it is 9 axis and has emc2 compatible gcode
[12:58:30] <L84Supper> probably an FPGA
[12:59:08] <archivist> no O codes
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[13:15:17] <archivist> help menu apparently points at the EMC2 g code reference
[13:15:56] <jdh> they seem to be made by planet-cnc.com. Manuals and demo software are available.
[13:16:03] <jdh> the Mk1 seems to be a PIC
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[13:34:19] <L84Supper> so it looks like it doesn't run EMC, and it's limited by USB interrupt latency
[13:35:49] <jdh> so, the controller doesn't run on the board, it is just an IO interface?
[13:36:27] <L84Supper> not the PIC version
[13:37:26] <L84Supper> and it would be possible to use an FPGA with a hard ARM cpu core to run EMC but that board doesn't have an FPGA that size or any external RAM
[13:39:00] <jdh> the boat is drifting with you.
[13:39:09] <L84Supper> http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/ you could do something like this with http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/epp/zynq-7000/index.htm
[13:39:13] <jdh> is there an emc/rtai for arm?
[13:39:18] <L84Supper> yes
[13:39:26] <L84Supper> well there is RTAI
[13:39:51] <L84Supper> checkout the google code link ^^
[13:40:44] <L84Supper> they used Xenomai vs RTAI
[13:42:37] <L84Supper> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931 I've been waiting to see how they wired the IRQ's on these
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[13:44:07] <L84Supper> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G134032695534 the ARM COM modules are supposed to be <$100
[13:46:54] <Jymmm> http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G133999328931
[13:47:37] <L84Supper> the dev board + COM is $129
[13:47:48] <Jymmm> Heh, uses 50pin header, JUST LIKE MESA!
[13:48:18] <L84Supper> the COM are rumored <$100
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[13:49:15] <joe9> is there any mechanism in axis gui that will enable me to call "Home All" after a M6?
[13:49:16] <L84Supper> not sure how fast the GPIO are as well
[13:50:22] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6DWnwMZxIW0
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[13:51:01] <jdh> MESA uses the same 50 pin layout that has been used by others for years.
[13:51:13] <L84Supper> the Freescale imx6 are delayed until next year for availability for mere mortals, those might be a possibility as well since the prices are in the $15-30 range
[13:51:42] <L84Supper> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?code=IMX6X_SERIES
[13:53:55] <Jymmm> But if you're ging to do ARM, might as well hack a tablet instead; LCD and touch screen all built in.
[13:53:59] <Jymmm> going
[13:54:25] <L84Supper> the problem with tablets has been locked down bootloaders and lack of fast GPIO or PCIe
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[13:54:39] <L84Supper> it's been frustrating
[13:54:57] <Jymmm> locked down bootloaders?
[13:56:23] <L84Supper> the boot process is secured with hardware encryption
[13:56:44] <Jymmm> encryption or obfuscated?
[13:57:04] <L84Supper> you could use one of the rooting tools to live the the factory bootloader and run Linux
[13:57:11] <L84Supper> encryption
[13:58:17] <Jymmm> link?
[13:58:27] <L84Supper> but the you're still left with GPU driver issues and no fast IO
[13:59:03] <Jymmm> and why ARM?
[14:00:51] <L84Supper> heh, it's more of an obsession or game now. A couple of years ago the ARM tablets to come looked great since they were to have PCIe along with the low cost UI
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[14:02:07] <jdh> what has pcie?
[14:02:15] <L84Supper> that never happened, the majority of tablets have locked bootloaders and the ARM SOC's with PCIe never became the popular devices for tablets or they didn't route the PCIe signals in the case of the Tegra's
[14:02:16] <Jymmm> Also, check out the PanDigital 'Novel' (white), it has an internal uSD card slot that is some how used as a secondary/alternative boot process I believe. There is an external uSD card slot too for user stuff.
[14:02:50] <L84Supper> the allwinner A10 tablets have an open boot process
[14:03:35] <jdh> what does a consumer tablet need pcie for?
[14:03:51] <Jymmm> but beyond the the obsession, again why ARM?
[14:04:13] <jdh> cheap, fast, runs linux
[14:04:30] <L84Supper> yeah, that was the idea a couple of years ago
[14:04:50] <Jymmm> there are x86 that meet that as well.
[14:05:06] <Jymmm> atom d525 is cheaper even
[14:05:26] <L84Supper> but all the ARM vendors with cortex a8 >1ghz and better decided to not sell devices through distributors
[14:05:58] <L84Supper> Jymmm: if you don't mind the buggy closed BIOS on the Atom boards
[14:06:56] <Jymmm> buggy?
[14:07:07] <L84Supper> AMD SBC's are under $100 now as well with support for coreboot
[14:08:56] <joe9> what is SBC?
[14:09:29] <L84Supper> SBC = single board computer
[14:11:09] <Jymmm> Here ya go... size of a dime with wifi http://www.logicpd.com/products/system-on-modules/dm3730-torpedo-wireless-som/
[14:12:38] <Jymmm> and has GPIO, JTAG, etc
[14:12:41] <L84Supper> IIRC those came up here before. But I forget the prices
[14:13:11] <L84Supper> and only 512MB RAM.... but it's enough for EMC
[14:14:38] <L84Supper> any idea what the prices are for 1K-10K/year?
[14:17:49] <Jymmm> 308 in qty 1
[14:18:05] <Jymmm> http://avnetexpress.avnet.com/store/em/EMController/Embedded-Boards-Industrial/Logic/SOMDM3730-30-2780AKCR/_/R-5001739600136/A-5001739600136/An-0?action=part&catalogId=500201&langId=-1&storeId=500201&listIndex=-1&page=1&rank=4
[14:18:33] <L84Supper> so maybe ~$200 in what they would consider high volume
[14:21:13] <Jymmm> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SOMDM3730-20-1780AGIR/460-3513-ND/2708829
[14:21:46] <L84Supper> http://cubieboard.org/ $49
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[14:24:57] <Jymmm> no docs?
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[14:30:40] <L84Supper> docs are in progress....
[14:30:50] <Jymmm> http://www.isee.biz/products/processor-boards/igep-com-module
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[14:32:15] <jdh> looks like a gunstix http://www.gumstix.com/
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[14:33:01] <jdh> https://www.gumstix.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=262
[14:33:34] <L84Supper> http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 too bad these is a patent on the reuse of the PCMCIA connectors in the hands of people I'd rather not help
[14:33:51] <L84Supper> these/ there's
[14:34:28] <jdh> Nov 17th?
[14:35:34] <L84Supper> LPC1769, ARM Cortex-M3
[14:35:56] <L84Supper> somebody is using similar for a all in one reprap board
[14:38:07] <Jymmm> Eh, just hack a WD LiveTV =)
[14:39:20] <L84Supper> lots of devs have been hacking the Mele A1000 with the A10 http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/532332455-Mele-A1000-TV-box-Allwinner-A10-hackable-device-wholesalers.html
[14:40:07] <L84Supper> Tom Cubie works for allwinner, they have posted all their Linux source and also help with ports/drivers/info
[14:40:42] <Jymmm> vga too, nice
[14:40:57] <Jymmm> and REAL sata!
[14:41:08] <L84Supper> http://liliputing.com/2012/03/mele-a1000-is-a-70-hackable-linux-friendly-arm-based-pc.html
[14:41:26] <L84Supper> yeah, Sata is missing from most ARM boards, but not these
[14:42:17] <Jymmm> with remote http://www.dealextreme.com/p/mele-1080p-android-2-3-internet-tv-set-top-box-w-wifi-optical-3-x-usb-hdmi-av-lan-sd-119913
[14:43:47] <Jymmm> and 2.5" sata hdd port on top
[14:44:30] <L84Supper> hmm... how to connect it to Mesa cards?
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[14:48:55] <Shadowtec> o/
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[14:53:21] * jthornton remembers wanting to change how EMC worked before I knew anything about running a CNC machine
[14:53:46] <jthornton> how dumb that seems now...
[14:54:32] <Jymmm> what did you want to change?
[14:54:45] <jthornton> g53 iirc
[14:55:02] <Jymmm> ah
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[14:55:29] <jthornton> but like I said at that time I knew nothing and have since learned to know something first... then try and change
[14:55:52] <Jymmm> L84Supper: that mele runs linux, is that a custom build/complied or "off the shelf" iso ?
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[14:56:39] <Jymmm> L84Supper: or more like copy iso over and make bootable sorta thing?
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[14:57:22] <L84Supper> Jymmm, there are a few builds available, IIRC somebody even has a version of Red Hat called Red Sleeves Linux :)
[14:57:42] <L84Supper> let me find the links for you
[14:57:53] <Jymmm> k
[14:58:42] <L84Supper> heh and Puppy http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02808
[14:59:46] <L84Supper> oh no's Ubuntu http://www.cnx-software.com/2012/06/22/ubuntu-12-04-server-armhf-image-for-mele-a1000a2000/
[15:01:33] <L84Supper> xbmc http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Allwinner_A10
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[15:02:53] <Jymmm> heh... "Allwinner has lied to the XBMC development community about supporting XBMC and open source software. As such, don't expect XBMC to run smoothly on any of this hardware."
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[15:03:03] <Jymmm> lol
[15:03:59] <L84Supper> yeah, they haven't shared the video hardware accel support
[15:04:33] <L84Supper> #arm-netbook for the drama
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[15:05:13] <Jymmm> no thanks, if I want drama I'll just /unignore jthornton
[15:05:28] <L84Supper> but the open Mali GPU driver is being developed
[15:06:18] <L84Supper> http://www.malideveloper.com/developer-resources/drivers/open-source-mali-gpus-linux-exadri2-and-x11-display-drivers.php
[15:07:15] <Jymmm> It's nice/cute and all, but I think I'd go one of the atom 3/4" height board instead mostly due to the I/O
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[15:08:44] <L84Supper> yeah, IO is what is still missing from ARM boards/modules/tablets whatever...
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[15:09:45] <Jymmm> coule of ppl here have these already http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-DN2800MT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
[15:09:55] <Jymmm> a couple of ppl...
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[15:11:02] <L84Supper> I haven't used Intel in years, mostly due to coreboot and hardware development....
[15:11:08] <Jymmm> and they lie, it's an intel nic chipset, not realtek
[15:11:32] <Jymmm> but takes 8-19vdc directly, no PC PS
[15:11:59] <L84Supper> but since Google hired 3 coreboot devs they now support Sandybridge
[15:12:08] <pcw_home> Only problem with the 2800 is graphics support
[15:12:22] * Shadowtec wishes he wote down the tuning info before he sold his cnc computer fo a new one
[15:12:24] <Jymmm> pcw_home: on cpu?
[15:12:35] <pcw_home> (power VR Fiasco)
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[15:12:45] <Shadowtec> going to give emc2 a go when I get home
[15:13:02] <Jymmm> pcw_home: what about pwr?
[15:13:28] <pcw_home> proprietary video with no/broken Linux drivers
[15:13:40] <pcw_home> (ok for simple stuff though)
[15:13:57] <Jymmm> ah, I was gonna wait till next gen anyway =)
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[15:14:57] <Jymmm> intel ins't being open about the LVDS connector and it's requirements either.
[15:15:01] <Jymmm> isn't
[15:15:57] <Jymmm> cute http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akp2hYE1dZ0&feature=related
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[15:16:58] <L84Supper> why not just use AMD APU mini-itx boards? they are <$100, GPU's are supported, have coreboot support and low latency jitter with the onboard GPU
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[15:18:31] <L84Supper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157228
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[15:19:53] <Jymmm> 6, count em 6 GPIO pins! (lol) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[15:20:30] <Jymmm> I want that one to make a new NAS box
[15:21:07] <L84Supper> yes, unusual for an x86 MB to have onboard GPIO, and why only 6?
[15:21:36] <Jymmm> intended for management purposes
[15:21:36] <Connor> 6 GPIO or 6 SATA3 ?
[15:21:54] <Jymmm> 6 GPIO and 6 SATA3
[15:22:17] <Jymmm> sata 3Ghz
[15:22:40] <Jymmm> intended for management/monitoring purposes
[15:22:45] <L84Supper> last time I checked the electrical AC spec for the GPIO was TBD
[15:23:35] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: Do you have one of those AMD boards?
[15:24:26] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, not in my hands but the latency jitter with the GPU accel running was <10uS
[15:25:12] <FinboySlick> Comparable to mine, but I suspect the GPU has a lot more punch than what I have.
[15:25:40] <FinboySlick> No onboard LPT though, right?
[15:25:57] <L84Supper> http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards#Mini-ITX_.2F_Micro-ITX_.2F_Nano-ITX
[15:26:55] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, yes, NO LPT
[15:27:31] <FinboySlick> I ought to get coreboot on one of my alix at some point.
[15:27:33] <FinboySlick> Just to see how fast it really boots.
[15:27:35] <L84Supper> old geode?
[15:27:42] <FinboySlick> Geode LX.
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[15:28:20] <FinboySlick> I just discovered buildroot.net too, might give running EMC on one another go.
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[15:28:59] <L84Supper> we might make an alix -ish board with the AMD apu's later this year
[15:29:15] <L84Supper> we need them for machine controllers
[15:29:24] <jdh> why?
[15:29:34] <jdh> why not a plain old cheap pc?
[15:29:35] <FinboySlick> L84Supper: You sound suspiciously like a2shed
[15:30:05] <jdh> Connor: any word on the new motor?
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[15:30:33] <Connor> jdh Grizzly going to replace it... just waiting on it to show up... was told 4-6 weeks..
[15:30:35] <L84Supper> jdh: reliability and control over the supply
[15:30:44] <Connor> Someone on the zone has been waiting 3 months for it.
[15:31:09] <L84Supper> jdh: not just for 2 or 3 machines, for several thousand
[15:31:09] <Connor> fellow zonner offered (and I accepted) to loan me his that he wasn't using.
[15:31:20] <jdh> nice
[15:31:45] <Jymmm> Heh, I'd call the CC company and do a chargeback if they don't get it within a couple of weeks
[15:31:46] <Connor> In fact, it should be here today.
[15:31:58] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, whatever do you mean?!
[15:34:09] <L84Supper> pcw_home, is that new PCIe IO board available yet?
[15:34:40] <Connor> Jymmm: It's a warranty replacement..
[15:35:43] <Jymmm> Connor: no comment.
[15:35:51] <L84Supper> oh yeah, 6i25
[15:37:06] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Buy one of these and tell me how it works http://www.dealextreme.com/p/90w-notebook-universal-car-charger-w-8-adapters-140399
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[15:39:30] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: If it doesn't melt instantly, it would be great for my netbook
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[15:40:36] <Connor> Jymmm: Really ? WOW ? About time.
[15:40:54] <Jymmm> Connor: ?
[15:41:02] <Connor> (11:35:33 AM) Jymmm: Connor: no comment.
[15:41:47] <Jymmm> Connor: Ah. Well that is only because I'm not in the mood to express the legalese to get a fire under their asses is all.
[15:42:20] <Jymmm> Connor: and you seem content with the current situation.
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[15:45:20] <L84Supper> Jymmm, these are well worth the $27 if you need an extra battery http://www.gearxs.com/HYPE-Universal-External-Netbook-Notebook-Battery?filter_name=battery
[15:46:28] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Ah, no my network will start/run from as low as 9VDC, but will only charge the internal battery at 15.001 VDC
[15:47:28] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Do you know the physical dimensions of that battry by chance?
[15:47:34] <Jymmm> battery
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[15:50:58] <Jymmm> 7 x 5 x 0.5
[15:51:03] <Jymmm> inches
[15:51:17] <Jymmm> 185 x 126 x 13.5 mm
[15:51:35] <Jymmm> L84Supper: http://www.buy.com/prod/hype-universal-external-netbook-notebook-battery/221152931.html same I think
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[15:54:07] <Jymmm> netbook is apx 10" x 7". wire up two of those suckers =)
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[15:54:56] <Jymmm> 11Ah =)
[15:59:50] <L84Supper> they make much larger versions but that small model is really marked down in price
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[16:00:47] <Jymmm> Yeah, I just did some numbers using 18650's, that is a REALY good price if it is what it says it is. do you have one?
[16:03:15] <L84Supper> yeah, it gives me an extra 4-5 hours on my netbook when I get stuck in coach flying to Asia
[16:03:44] <Jymmm> link to manual?
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[16:11:32] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Does it come with it's own pwr adapter for charging it, or uses the laptops PS for that?
[16:12:11] <L84Supper> Jymmm, you use the laptop (or whatever) power supply to charge it
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[16:13:11] <Jymmm> L84Supper: have you opened it up yet?
[16:15:39] <L84Supper> Jymmm, charge input 15-25V
[16:16:04] <L84Supper> output from battery 5V, 16V or 19V
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[16:16:50] <L84Supper> it's a hunk of lithium polymer and switching power supply in a nice aluminum enclosure
[16:17:08] <Jymmm> That's not bad at all; I bet it could power my radio too.
[16:17:26] <L84Supper> max continuous output power is 60W
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[16:18:18] <Jymmm> I'm checking pwr draw now.
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[16:20:19] <L84Supper> http://www.dealwizard.net/Energizer-Rechargeable-Notebooks-Batteries-Portable/dp/B002K8M9HC?traffic_src=froogle&utm_medium=organic&utm_source=froogle these are on ebay for far less 18000mAH
[16:20:55] <L84Supper> http://www.amazon.com/Energizer-XP18000-Universal-External-Netbooks/dp/B002K8M9HC
[16:21:25] <Jymmm> $213.34 is less?
[16:21:27] <Jymmm> lol
[16:21:37] <L84Supper> oh wow, I might get one http://www.amazon.com/i-Sound-Portable-Power-iPhone-BlackBerry/dp/B00439G3WS/ref=pd_sim_e_1/190-5475333-0985317
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[16:22:28] <L84Supper> but 5V only for output
[16:24:16] <Jymmm> hawt damn... radio accepts 5-16vdc!!!
[16:24:33] <L84Supper> 3 x 5500 mAH = 16500mAH for only 3 x $27 = $81 if you use the Hype
[16:24:53] <Jymmm> Yeah, i was thinking 2x but still
[16:25:19] <Jymmm> My gps is a whore though, accepts 3-36VDC =)
[16:27:16] <L84Supper> they don't you on the planes with these http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=powerpack+duracell&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=2011012012199353301&sa=X&ei=I2UyUObyIsLrygGXnoCwCA&ved=0CF8Q8wIwAA
[16:27:36] <Jymmm> heh
[16:28:04] <Jymmm> does the idiot like really work?
[16:28:14] <Jymmm> for battery level
[16:28:25] <L84Supper> yeah, close enough
[16:28:32] <Jymmm> that works.
[16:29:15] <Jymmm> transmit on high is 24W
[16:29:24] <Jymmm> at 13.8vdc
[16:30:33] <L84Supper> a few years back I built a PS2 and 15" LCD into a laptop case with controller, they let my son take it on board, after a few chuckles from security
[16:31:02] <Jymmm> heh
[16:31:39] <Jymmm> Yeah, I had a RC battery pack "wired" to a camera, they let me on too.
[16:31:56] <Jymmm> but it did look like something out of a movie bomb
[16:32:21] <Jymmm> velcroed tothe bottom etc
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[16:33:36] <Jymmm> L84Supper: I've been wanting to get an ottebox or the like and setup the netbook, gps, radio, battery/charger all in one
[16:34:00] <L84Supper> they let this on board http://paparisa.unpatti.ac.id/linux_journal_archive_1994_2007/LJ/139/8177f13.large.jpg
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[16:34:15] <L84Supper> linux cluster in a toolbox
[16:34:23] <Jymmm> lol
[16:35:01] <L84Supper> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8177
[16:36:44] <Jymmm> L84Supper: how long have you had the battery for?
[16:37:05] <L84Supper> Jymmm, few months, no problems so far
[16:37:27] <L84Supper> it's always in my laptop bag or getting charged
[16:37:30] <Jymmm> oh just months. bummer
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[16:41:41] <L84Supper> I had 2 travel batteries for my old HP laptop, and got 10 hrs with a core 2 duo and 17" screen and 8GB DDR2
[16:42:05] <Jymmm> different ones?
[16:42:21] <Jymmm> than the one you linked to
[16:42:36] <L84Supper> HP has the external travel batteries that snap under the standard battery so you can swap without powering down
[16:42:44] <Jymmm> ah
[16:43:17] <L84Supper> I don't run CAD on the plane anymore so I just use a 12" laptop now
[16:45:02] <Jymmm> well shit, it could charge the internal battery, when ext bat dies, just swap it
[16:45:33] <Jymmm> my netbook nags at mains pwr loss, so I would know when to switch.
[16:46:08] <L84Supper> yeah, that's how I use it
[16:51:20] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Hell, I bought one of these for $12 http://www.buydig.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=SNCPELS&ref=froogle&omid=103&CAWELAID=1503879872&cagpspn=pla
[16:52:07] <Jymmm> L84Supper: before I even tested it it worked I opened it up. It uses an 18650 battery and outputs 5.0VDC (actual)
[16:52:20] <L84Supper> yeah, for 5V devices there is quite a wide selection
[16:54:00] <Jymmm> oh, and they are US based
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[17:03:19] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
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[17:13:39] <FinboySlick> IchGuckLive: Yo German dude.
[17:14:40] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[17:15:01] <IchGuckLive> iss EVA Live
[17:15:09] <FinboySlick> EVA?
[17:15:13] <IchGuckLive> Russion outside what a miss
[17:15:51] <FinboySlick> You have a russian miss outside? She hot?
[17:16:21] <IchGuckLive> jurie B)
[17:16:37] <FinboySlick> Darn, now I've confused myself.
[17:16:50] <FinboySlick> Picking on Swedish people is a lot easier.
[17:17:06] <FinboySlick> This channel needs more Swedes.
[17:17:15] <Jymmm> nuh uh
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[17:17:30] <Jymmm> less scandinavians
[17:17:45] <IchGuckLive> there are alot here
[17:17:46] <Jymmm> NO LUDIFISK
[17:17:49] <jthornton> more nuts maybe
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[17:20:23] <Jymmm> jthornton: we need more nuts? I think we got enough of those already
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[17:21:32] <IchGuckLive> i will count next weekend howmany mashines of the EXPO are on linuxccn
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[17:31:00] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, where is the Expo?
[17:31:29] <IchGuckLive> Pairis
[17:31:35] <IchGuckLive> Paris
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[17:32:12] <IchGuckLive> and later Stuttgard Geramny and frankfurt also this Year
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[17:34:31] <IchGuckLive> http://www.messestuttgart.de/cms/amb12_besucher_messe000.0.html
[17:35:34] <IchGuckLive> http://www.euromold.com/
[17:38:21] <L84Supper> we have shows in China all the time, but Chicago has IMTS this year, always fun
[17:39:22] <IchGuckLive> agree but this is internationall the world shows there best
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[17:41:24] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, how many vendors from China would expect to see at AMB?
[17:41:44] <IchGuckLive> arond 100+
[17:42:45] <L84Supper> IMTS is the week before AMB, maybe it's worth stopping by
[17:43:35] <IchGuckLive> AMB is shure worth a stop B)
[17:44:26] <IchGuckLive> its wright on the Airport sight
[17:44:40] <L84Supper> not too far from Frankfurt
[17:44:58] <IchGuckLive> no about 200km
[17:45:08] <IchGuckLive> 1:10 by train
[17:45:22] <IchGuckLive> Airport2AMB
[17:45:25] <L84Supper> not bad, in the US a train that far would be 3 hrs
[17:45:41] <L84Supper> China ~1hr
[17:45:52] <IchGuckLive> agree on that took me 6hr from NY to Vancover
[17:46:20] <L84Supper> by plane
[17:46:32] <IchGuckLive> train
[17:46:50] <L84Supper> NY to Toronto or Vancouver?
[17:47:01] <IchGuckLive> Toronto Sorry
[17:47:08] <FinboySlick> IchGuckLive: In Canada, we have to run the trains slower because of the giant bears
[17:47:10] <IchGuckLive> i went off at niagra fals
[17:47:35] <IchGuckLive> and back from Rochester
[17:48:04] <L84Supper> FinboySlick, are they on the loose again up there?
[17:48:08] <IchGuckLive> oh no it ewars buffalo 50km soth of Niagra
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[17:48:56] <IchGuckLive> back in 92
[17:51:08] <FinboySlick> I'm reminded of Henry Rollins' story about his time on the Trans-Ciberian express.
[17:51:29] <FinboySlick> If you guys have never heard Rollins speak, he's pretty captivating.
[17:51:42] <L84Supper> he used to have a TV show
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[17:56:06] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: are you in china ?
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[17:58:29] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, not right now, 1/2 here and there
[17:58:48] <IchGuckLive> weather is very bad lots of rain, another Taifun hedding towards china
[17:59:17] <L84Supper> 3 in one week about 2 weeks ago
[17:59:25] <L84Supper> I just missed them :)
[17:59:36] <IchGuckLive> O.O 500mm rain and more
[18:01:38] <L84Supper> this one looks headed for Taiwan and Hong Kong
[18:02:43] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Do you have a variable PS by chance?
[18:02:45] <L84Supper> IchGuckLive, didn't Germany get some really hot weather recently?
[18:02:59] <IchGuckLive> yes
[18:03:11] <IchGuckLive> last 4 days african headwave
[18:03:11] <L84Supper> Jymmm, did you want to test the pack?
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[18:03:50] <IchGuckLive> L84Supper: you cabn travel to stuttgard direct from the world dot need to go to frankfurt
[18:03:52] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Kinda, I wanted to know if it will charge the (mostly dead) battery at 12VDC
[18:04:30] <Jymmm> L84Supper: and how long it takes.
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[18:05:27] <Jymmm> L84Supper: and it at all possible, the current draw during charging at 12V
[18:05:33] <Jymmm> s/it/if/
[18:06:31] <L84Supper> Jymmm, the spec is 15V min input for charge, but it might work with less, not sure how well or much below
[18:06:58] <Jymmm> L84Supper: I have a 15W solar blanket that is about the same size folded up as the battery pack. It be great if it could charge it, else I could use a stepup I suppose, but not sure of the current draw.
[18:07:19] <L84Supper> next time it is dead I'll try it at <15V
[18:07:32] <Jymmm> L84Supper: thanks.
[18:07:49] <Jymmm> L84Supper: do you know the current draw at any input voltage by chance?
[18:07:57] <Jymmm> charging that is
[18:08:43] <L84Supper> the output is 5V fixed and 16 or 19 selectable
[18:08:58] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Right, but I'm taking INPUT.
[18:09:21] <Jymmm> talking
[18:09:27] <L84Supper> charge time is ~5Hrs
[18:09:46] <L84Supper> figure 90% efficiency
[18:10:00] <Jymmm> L84Supper: I foudn specs here, but not really a CHARGING amperage http://www.brilliantstore.com/other-external-chargers-wintop-bpa-268.html
[18:10:19] <Jymmm> Just an INPUT amperage
[18:10:50] <Jymmm> that could just be a pass-thru for all I know.
[18:10:57] <L84Supper> next time it dies I put a meter on it but you should be able to estimate
[18:13:09] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Yeah, but the lowest it says is 15V@2.5A, if that is the spec for charging in 5hrs that would be awesome. But it that's the "optimum" charge time for 25V@4A, it won't work for what I need.
[18:14:41] <L84Supper> my netbook charger is only 19V 2.15A
[18:15:02] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Figure solar charging from about 1100 to 1600 for best results
[18:16:02] <L84Supper> ok, back to gloves and a chem hood, BBL
[18:16:14] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Well, my solar blanket raw full summer sun outputs about 24V@1A no load.
[18:16:25] <Jymmm> L84Supper: Got Hazmat Suit?
[18:16:43] <L84Supper> it's not that hazardous
[18:16:52] <Jymmm> heh
[18:17:07] <L84Supper> hard to type with gloves on
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[18:17:20] <L84Supper> and from the next room
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[18:55:28] <JT-Shop> anyone use MapMyRun on their eye phone?
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[19:04:44] <FredrikHson> has anyone here refitted a boxford duet by any chance?
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[19:10:58] <FredrikHson> nm i was just over thinking things what i wanted to know was what voltages the spindle encoder was at but i don't need to know i can just move the encoder lines and not the power for it to the parallel port since the other cards have a shared ground anyway
[19:13:47] <jdh> ok
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[20:58:56] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, http://www.reddit.com/r/radiocontrol/comments/yj18p/nano_quad_build_complete/
[20:59:06] <r00t4rd3d> check that tiny biatch out
[20:59:57] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/9orG8.jpg
[21:00:59] <r00t4rd3d> 25 bucks for that frame
[21:01:00] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.myrcbuild.com/DiaLFonZo--MicroQuadV2_p_61.html
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[21:04:50] <JT-Shop> got a screw missing...
[21:05:28] <r00t4rd3d> we know you do
[21:05:41] <r00t4rd3d> no need to call out the obvious
[21:06:19] <JT-Shop> but it is fun sometimes
[21:06:31] <r00t4rd3d> i think his control board is in the way for that one screw
[21:06:45] <JT-Shop> ah
[21:06:58] <JT-Shop> what kind of gyro do you use in such a tiny thing?
[21:07:09] <r00t4rd3d> that top plate is basically for protection only
[21:07:25] <JT-Shop> I used to fly .60 size choppers
[21:07:46] <r00t4rd3d> it has a satellite receiver in it.
[21:08:23] <JT-Shop> gps?
[21:08:32] <r00t4rd3d> OpenPilot Copter Control board
[21:08:43] <r00t4rd3d> that has the gyro built in
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[21:10:18] <JT-Shop> cool
[21:11:03] <r00t4rd3d> you can build that for like 200 i guess
[21:11:12] <r00t4rd3d> minus the transmitter
[21:11:17] <L84Supper> r00t4rd3d, what motors are used?
[21:11:29] <r00t4rd3d> Hobby King C10 2900kv micro brushless motors
[21:11:35] <L84Supper> they look familiar
[21:11:42] <r00t4rd3d> DialFonzo micro frame V2.0
[21:11:42] <r00t4rd3d> Turnigy Plush 6 amp speed controllers
[21:11:42] <r00t4rd3d> Hobby King C10 2900kv micro brushless motors
[21:11:42] <r00t4rd3d> OpenPilot Copter Control board
[21:11:42] <r00t4rd3d> Turnigy Nano Tech 850mah 2s 40c Lipo
[21:11:43] <r00t4rd3d> Spektrum satellite RX with adapter module.
[21:11:47] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:11:54] <r00t4rd3d> MOIN
[21:12:32] * JT-Shop wonders what wd5jwy is up to
[21:13:12] <DJ9DJ> good night, r00t4rd3d
[21:13:16] <r00t4rd3d> tuning in Tokyo
[21:13:22] <r00t4rd3d> :D
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[21:38:01] <JT-Shop> HELLO Tow Kay Yo
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[22:27:28] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/n7Tx4.jpg
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[22:27:49] <JT-Shop> what no hot dogs?
[22:29:15] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://nozama.typepad.com/.a/6a00e54ed05fc288330148c77ec7ff970c-350wi
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[22:30:43] <JT-Shop> yea, been in one before... weird mobile
[22:30:57] <Jymmm> how so?
[22:32:58] <JT-Shop> well how many hotdog mobiles are out there?
[22:34:01] <Jymmm> Actually, quite a few. I heard they retired the previous one last year, big ol gas gusseler
[22:34:57] <Jymmm> google images: wienermobile
[22:34:59] <JT-Shop> I've not followed them that close
[22:35:27] <Jymmm> http://hotdoggerblog.com/wp-content/themes/hotdogger/downloads_images/OscarMayer_MiniWienermobile.jpg
[22:35:30] <Jymmm> minicooper
[22:36:26] <JT-Shop> I just remember going inside one in the Piggly Wiggley and getting a wiener whistle once
[22:36:26] <Jymmm> Full size and mini weinni http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/non-make/ns/ns_527109_717.jpg
[22:37:49] <Jymmm> lol http://hotdoggerblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/IMG_15561-300x225.jpg
[22:38:09] <Jymmm> National Mustard Day
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[22:39:21] <r00t4rd3d> hold the mus
[22:39:39] <r00t4rd3d> extra tard please
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[22:44:06] <jp__> JT-Shop: what Ver of python r is good to use with glade and linuxcnc 2.7?
[22:44:56] <JT-Shop> the one that come with Ubuntu 10.04
[22:45:08] <jp__> K
[22:45:10] <JT-Shop> 2.7 well that is in the future
[22:45:24] <jp__> thanks
[22:45:34] <JT-Shop> jp__: whatcha working on?
[22:45:59] <jp__> Just starting did a simple hello world
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[22:46:18] <jp__> might try to embed your facing .py into axis
[22:46:35] <r00t4rd3d> do you know C/C++ yet?
[22:47:03] <JT-Shop> you find a simple glade tutorial?
[22:47:07] <jp__> havent used C in a while
[22:47:19] <jp__> yah yours and some others on the web
[22:47:58] <JT-Shop> embed using gladevcp?
[22:49:23] <jp__> thats what i was thinking or is that not possible?
[22:49:51] <JT-Shop> should be possible, I'm not sure how you send the output to Axis atm
[22:50:38] <jp__> i use the facing and pocketing .py all the time on my fanuc damm freaking macro b option.
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[22:52:23] <jp__> ngcgui woud serve the same purpose just thought id take a kick at it
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[22:52:45] <JT-Shop> yea, I like ngcgui
[22:53:12] <jp__> me too!!
[22:53:39] <jp__> use it all the time for probing
[22:54:10] <JT-Shop> I wrote the simple G code generators while I was building my plasma in the beer cave as an excersise for python but now I use Gtk so Tkinter is all fuzzy now
[22:54:41] <jp__> should be easy to convert the apps to gtk
[22:54:55] <JT-Shop> yea
[22:54:57] <jp__> from what iv'e seen so far
[22:55:19] <JT-Shop> I added another page to the gui tutorial this morning
[22:55:25] <jp__> Thats why i asked you about scada software
[22:55:47] <jp__> the scada package i use now uses python for all of the scripting
[22:55:57] <JT-Shop> cool
[22:56:06] <jp__> reminds me of python and gtk
[22:56:18] <JT-Shop> I was talking to a plant engineer the other day about his robots
[22:56:43] <jp__> and?
[22:57:26] <JT-Shop> pretty cool how they program them and if you change a servo out you have to reprogram the whole thing
[22:58:06] <jp__> ah then hes keeping it to simple
[22:58:29] <jp__> changing a motor screws up the mastering
[22:58:48] <jp__> robots have workoffsets just like cnc
[22:58:53] <JT-Shop> yea screws up your position info
[22:59:59] <jp__> if you program a robot using a workoffset then you should just have to remaster and reset you workoffset and the back in action
[23:00:02] <JT-Shop> on the crank line each robot serves two lathes, pretty cool to watch them
[23:00:29] <JT-Shop> he said you have to start with each joint and reprogram it
[23:00:45] <jp__> What kind of robot?
[23:00:52] <JT-Shop> yellow
[23:00:58] <jp__> fanuc
[23:01:01] <JT-Shop> yea
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[23:01:39] <JT-Shop> they have them mostly in the machining areas of the plant for cranks, sumps, and cylinders
[23:03:01] <jp__> when a motor gets changed the offset stored in the controller from the encoder no longer is true for that new motor. You should just have to re zero or "Master that axis and touch up a coord frame
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[23:04:28] <jp__> had the same issue happen last month on a brand new fanuc so i put a probe tool on the end of the arm to make frame touch ups quicker
[23:05:57] <jp__> can you believe that fanuc makes you pay for a probing function on a robot. standard on a fanuc cnc controller.
[23:09:03] <jp__> JT-Shop: what do you make at your plant?
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[23:16:41] <JT-Shop> I have an automation company and design and build automation equipment
[23:17:33] <JT-Shop> most of my work is for Briggs & Stratton
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[23:20:28] <jp__> cool. I'm sort of in the same boat except i have a full time job and then do small jobs on the side
[23:22:45] <jp__> I mainly deal with automation system integration PLC's HMis drives robots vision that kind of stuff
[23:23:09] <JT-Shop> same here but no robots yet
[23:24:02] <jp__> ah there easy if you can prog a cnc a robot is a piece of cake
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[23:24:39] <JT-Shop> I'd like to get a small one to work with
[23:26:15] <jp__> i had one but i think it was too big for you shop lol
[23:26:37] <jp__> abb irb 6400
[23:26:38] <JT-Shop> yea I only have 2k sq feet here
[23:27:47] <jp__> i wish i could of kept it but i have even less room
[23:28:21] <r00t4rd3d> i got a 3'x8' table.
[23:29:23] <JT-Shop> I started out with a 2' x 2' closet top shelf only
[23:29:54] <r00t4rd3d> lol well you shouldnt have been in there
[23:30:08] <jp__> thats why i havent built my router yet!! a 9x48 knee a kitamura mycenter zero and a 13 x 40 all in a 2 car garage!!
[23:30:34] <jp__> my wife is less tha pleased her car is not allowed in lol
[23:32:25] <JT-Shop> my wife can always park her Honda in the garage even if I have to triple stack things
[23:32:43] <r00t4rd3d> aww
[23:33:08] <r00t4rd3d> she must make all the cash
[23:33:29] <JT-Shop> no, but I'm on her insurance
[23:33:48] <r00t4rd3d> does she use that as leverage?
[23:33:56] <JT-Shop> nope, never
[23:33:58] <r00t4rd3d> ill take your ass off my policy
[23:34:16] <r00t4rd3d> too bad, thats fun.
[23:34:18] <JT-Shop> never a harsh word from either of us
[23:34:39] <r00t4rd3d> born agains?
[23:34:54] <JT-Shop> LOL
[23:37:20] <r00t4rd3d> not swearing at each other occasionaly is unhealthy.
[23:37:47] <Nick001-Shop> Using Pncconfig wizard with a 5i20 and 7i30 card - it comes up listing a 7i33 card instead. Is this a default checkmark and I have to change it to 7i30?
[23:38:05] <jp__> yes
[23:40:27] <Nick001-Shop> HM2-Servo says only y axis has an index - use that info to generate an index for x and z axis?
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[23:43:06] <jp__> what firmware did you pick?
[23:43:41] <PCW> 7I30 and 7I33 firmware is the same
[23:43:43] <Nick001-Shop> SVST8_4 was the default
[23:44:14] <r00t4rd3d> are those mesa cards controllers?
[23:44:21] <PCW> same pinout/firmware but different PWM setup
[23:44:48] <Nick001-Shop> Any sample files somewhere?
[23:45:06] <PCW> hm2-servo should work
[23:45:51] <Nick001-Shop> I also don't see a spindleline in the hal
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[23:46:12] <Nick001-Shop> Using hm2-servo
[23:46:20] <PCW> hm2-servo is pretty bare bone
[23:47:12] <Nick001-Shop> Just moving slowly to keep from frying anything AGAIN
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[23:48:21] <JT-Shop> What's the guys name on first base?
[23:48:36] <Nick001-Shop> When I find some spindle info - will pwm work to control it
[23:48:38] <PCW> PWM frequency should be 20 KHz normal PWM/DIR mode
[23:48:40] <PCW> (frequency is global modes need to be set per axis)
[23:48:41] <PCW> WHO?
[23:48:53] <JT-Shop> Who do you pay the money to?
[23:49:14] <PCW> sounds like a trick
[23:49:19] <Nick001-Shop> OK
[23:50:28] * JT-Shop is listening to Abbott and costello whos on first recording
[23:55:10] <jp__> JT-Shop: have you just played with glade in linux or windows as well?
[23:56:05] <JT-Shop> Gtk in linux only but python in windows with tkinter
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[23:57:44] <jdh> what scada package uses python?
[23:58:03] <jp__> K. igintion by inductive automation
[23:59:02] <jp__> used to be called factory PMI
[23:59:49] <jdh> haven't heard of that one.