#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-08-13

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[00:32:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://dazzlepod.com/gifiles/search/?q=TrapWire
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[00:34:59] <r00t4rd3d> thats some fucked up shit right there.
[00:37:46] <ReadError> allow me to top that.
[00:37:46] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/Lpx5w.jpg
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[00:44:48] <alex4nder> yoh
[00:45:14] <alex4nder> ReadError: they reproduce quickly
[00:45:20] <alex4nder> because they got from hot to shot in 5 years
[00:45:37] <ReadError> he got screwed on that deal
[00:46:01] <alex4nder> dude, white trash burns out so quickly
[00:46:54] <ReadError> even the 17 year old daughter looks like trash lol
[00:46:59] <ReadError> shes already busted @ 17
[00:47:28] <ReadError> oh well after the money from the show gets spent on new pickup trucks they will be getting my tax dollars again im sure..
[00:47:33] <alex4nder> haha
[00:47:38] <alex4nder> well you do live in Atlanta, right?
[00:47:41] <ReadError> yea
[00:47:43] <alex4nder> : |
[00:47:47] <ReadError> lol
[00:47:53] <ReadError> im not really a redneck though
[00:47:56] <ReadError> i drive a sedan
[00:48:01] <ReadError> and work in the computer field ;)
[00:48:02] <alex4nder> yah, I'm not generalizing
[00:48:05] <alex4nder> I'm just saying there's a lot there.
[00:49:00] <ReadError> well in atlanta
[00:49:03] <ReadError> its more so the bums
[00:49:16] <ReadError> all drunk and stuff trying to hustle money out of you at 7am
[00:49:41] <alex4nder> the only memory I have of "the South" is being in Florida, and seeing a bunch of shirtless rednecks buy a keg at 7am
[00:50:06] <ReadError> we dont count florida as the south
[00:50:25] <alex4nder> northern florida is southern georgia though, right?
[00:50:27] <ReadError> its our redheaded step child
[00:50:32] <alex4nder> haha
[00:50:37] <alex4nder> florida is so .. florida.
[00:51:01] <r00t4rd3d> i lived their for years, loved it,
[00:51:09] <r00t4rd3d> s/,/.
[00:51:42] <alex4nder> no place I've ever been has 'sucked ass' as much as florida.
[00:52:06] <r00t4rd3d> gotta be in the right spot
[00:52:06] <alex4nder> I don't have it in me.
[00:52:12] <ReadError> florida blows
[00:52:16] <ReadError> unless you know spanish
[00:52:22] <alex4nder> well yah, that shit would be cool
[00:52:23] <ReadError> then you can read the autozone signs
[00:52:29] <alex4nder> Cuban food is the bomb.
[00:54:02] <alex4nder> but I'm from Northern Mexico.
[00:54:06] <alex4nder> so I guess that makes sense.
[00:54:41] <r00t4rd3d> New Mexico or donkey mexico?
[00:54:50] <alex4nder> Mexico the country
[00:55:07] <alex4nder> i.e. California
[00:55:13] <r00t4rd3d> did you jump the fence?
[00:55:15] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[00:55:44] <alex4nder> it's all just politics
[00:56:25] <alex4nder> people who get pissy about immigrants never had to roof a house in the summer sun
[00:56:35] <alex4nder> those guys are my fucking heroes
[00:56:46] <r00t4rd3d> Iam not a fan of mexicans and I have roofed in 90+
[00:57:01] <r00t4rd3d> many times
[00:57:16] * alex4nder shrugs.
[00:57:19] <alex4nder> that sucks.
[00:58:00] <ReadError> THEY TOOK ERRR JERRRBBBS
[00:58:03] <alex4nder> yah dude
[00:58:15] <alex4nder> shit is so dumb.
[00:58:30] <alex4nder> I have illegal alien friends that pay taxes on someone else's social, because they can't become legal.l
[00:59:46] <r00t4rd3d> ironic
[01:00:31] <alex4nder> it's not ironic, you just can't paint them all with one brush.
[01:01:26] <alex4nder> I like mexicans,. their food is rad, and all of the ones I know personally are hard workers.
[01:01:57] <alex4nder> well, except for my neighbors: they suck.
[01:02:00] <alex4nder> but they're americans.
[01:02:21] <r00t4rd3d> where you live now?
[01:02:26] <alex4nder> middle of california
[01:02:28] <alex4nder> on the coast
[01:03:35] <r00t4rd3d> i like tacos and weed
[01:03:42] <r00t4rd3d> thats about it though
[01:04:03] <alex4nder> that's a cultural relationship if I ever heard one
[01:04:45] <ReadError> fortunately not many mexicans know linux
[01:04:51] * ReadError has job security
[01:04:55] <r00t4rd3d> i want to move to humboldt county
[01:05:01] <alex4nder> humboldt sucks
[01:05:16] <r00t4rd3d> farm living is the life ya see.
[01:05:19] <alex4nder> laf.
[01:05:26] <alex4nder> wait, where do you live now?
[01:05:37] <r00t4rd3d> Ny
[01:05:38] <ReadError> he wants to live on a pot farm
[01:06:00] <alex4nder> roycroft: upstate, or city?
[01:06:02] <alex4nder> er r00t4rd3d
[01:06:08] <r00t4rd3d> upstate
[01:06:12] <alex4nder> werd
[01:06:17] <alex4nder> upstate is nicer than northern california
[01:06:21] <alex4nder> just grow weed there
[01:06:28] <r00t4rd3d> illegal
[01:06:32] <alex4nder> it's illegal here
[01:06:43] <alex4nder> 3 letters... D E A
[01:07:31] <r00t4rd3d> they only mess with the big guys
[01:07:37] <r00t4rd3d> doing dumb shit
[01:07:48] <ReadError> hows your wooden gun biz r00t4rd3d /
[01:08:29] <alex4nder> making guns is more legal than smoking weed
[01:08:34] <alex4nder> welcome to america
[01:10:24] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/1N5VB.png
[01:10:29] <ReadError> AMUUURRIKAAA
[01:10:46] <alex4nder> haha
[01:10:53] <alex4nder> well we can only live off of WWII for so long
[01:11:32] <r00t4rd3d> im glad that olympic shit is over
[01:12:05] <r00t4rd3d> i do like how 420 phelps wins gold medals though
[01:12:53] <r00t4rd3d> the best olympian ever
[01:12:58] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[01:14:04] <Tom_itx> he took home more than alot of the countries
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[01:15:59] <r00t4rd3d> he probably has enough gold medals to melt them down and make a solid gold one.
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[01:17:16] <ReadError> the US pays them like 25 or 50k per medal
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[01:41:20] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/JuGum.jpg
[01:44:30] <r00t4rd3d> karma whoring bitch:
[01:44:30] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/gcLZb.jpg?1
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[01:57:29] <ReadError> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCiY1y3uJ3o&feature=b-mv AHAHAH
[01:57:32] <ReadError> off topic
[01:58:52] <alex4nder> we're so off the reservation at this point
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[02:25:38] <r00t4rd3d> i was wondering where all the indians went
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[02:53:47] <tjb1> Anyone experienced with outboard motors?
[02:56:11] <r00t4rd3d> boat motor?
[02:56:16] <tjb1> yes
[02:56:19] <r00t4rd3d> nope.
[02:56:29] <tjb1> bloody pigs is what they are.
[02:56:38] <r00t4rd3d> whats it doing?
[02:56:44] <r00t4rd3d> or not doing
[02:57:15] <tjb1> Barely starts, sputters in reverse
[02:57:28] <tjb1> Im thinking the fuel pump needs rebuilt and the carb torn off and rebuilt
[02:57:30] <r00t4rd3d> how long the gas been in the tank?
[02:57:31] <tjb1> It is a 1989
[02:57:37] <tjb1> Brand new
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[02:57:53] <r00t4rd3d> before that
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[02:58:14] <r00t4rd3d> did it have old gas sitting it for some period of time?
[02:58:21] <r00t4rd3d> in it*
[02:58:44] <tjb1> Nope, always run out of gas when done
[02:59:42] <r00t4rd3d> well this great ethanol they put in gas is horrible for small 2 stroke engines.
[02:59:58] <tjb1> Horrible for all engines...
[03:00:09] <r00t4rd3d> or any 2 stroke really
[03:00:11] <tjb1> I almost have to tear down my fourwheeler carbs yearly
[03:00:29] <r00t4rd3d> take the bowl off atleast is good practice
[03:01:08] <r00t4rd3d> with the boat engine i would clean the carb and put a new plug in it
[03:01:13] <r00t4rd3d> for starters
[03:01:19] <tjb1> Has new plugs
[03:01:29] <tjb1> All this talk about de-carbing it
[03:01:35] <tjb1> Try that tomorrow if I can
[03:01:41] <tjb1> Seaform
[03:01:43] <Tom_itx> fuel filter
[03:01:44] <tjb1> *seafoam
[03:01:53] <r00t4rd3d> i use seafoam, just add it to my gas
[03:02:04] <tjb1> We did add it to the gas
[03:02:28] <tjb1> but this method they use like 1 gallon of gas and 3/4 seafoam, then run until warm, spray it in sparkplug holes, run and then spray in carb
[03:02:37] <tjb1> 3/4 can of seafoam
[03:02:55] <r00t4rd3d> it will never run with that much
[03:03:27] <tjb1> http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?p=2648076#post2648076
[03:04:38] <r00t4rd3d> have you ever cleaned the carb on it?
[03:04:45] <r00t4rd3d> or done a compression test
[03:05:08] <tjb1> It runs great once you get it running
[03:05:13] <tjb1> runs good forward wide open
[03:09:01] <r00t4rd3d> back to have you ever cleaned the carb
[03:09:49] <tjb1> no
[03:10:59] <r00t4rd3d> you should, and just dumping or running seafoam through it dont count as cleaning
[03:11:21] <tjb1> I know this...
[03:11:28] <r00t4rd3d> bread tie wire and air compressor
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[03:11:32] <tjb1> The seafoam isnt for the carb
[03:12:02] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt there is enough carbon built up in the cylinder to effect how it runs.
[03:12:39] <r00t4rd3d> a 4 stroke maybe, valves wont close all the way, etc
[03:14:59] <r00t4rd3d> if you take the carb off you should be able to look down the intake and see what the carbon situation is
[03:15:59] <r00t4rd3d> if it is bad, just dump some seafoam down in there while you clean the carb
[03:16:34] <tjb1> Ill see tomorrow
[03:16:53] <tjb1> Need to get a service manual for this thing…cant find any information on how to sync the timing on it but everyone talks about doing it
[03:17:49] <r00t4rd3d> not sure how you time a 2 stroke :/
[03:18:14] <tjb1> ?
[03:19:03] <r00t4rd3d> "sync the timing"
[03:19:33] <r00t4rd3d> i dont know boat engines so i guess its something I dont know
[03:20:05] <tjb1> Most of the information about this motor includes something having to do with the tiller handle which this motor doesnt have as it is controlled by controls on the console...
[03:21:23] <r00t4rd3d> tiller to remote
[03:21:41] <r00t4rd3d> probably has an adapter of some kind
[03:22:41] <tjb1> But the throttle is now controlled by the lever that also does the shifting
[03:22:49] <tjb1> I cant just change the throttle like a lot of them say
[03:23:32] <r00t4rd3d> no neutral ?
[03:23:47] <tjb1> Yes
[03:24:53] <tjb1> " The twist grip does have a position marked as "START". "
[03:27:15] <tjb1> I just hate working on this boat motor...
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[03:34:42] <jdh> how big is the motor, how many cylinders, how many carbs?
[03:35:23] <r00t4rd3d> im guessing small, 1,1
[03:35:32] <r00t4rd3d> 75ish
[03:36:01] <r00t4rd3d> built in 1972
[03:36:18] <tjb1> 9.9
[03:36:22] <tjb1> 9 . 9
[03:36:24] <tjb1> 1989
[03:36:26] <tjb1> 1 carb
[03:36:28] <tjb1> 2 cylinder
[03:36:42] <r00t4rd3d> wow i was way off
[03:37:11] <r00t4rd3d> and thats why i dont play the lottery
[03:38:04] <jdh> low speed jets clog easily
[03:38:17] <r00t4rd3d> pilot jet
[03:38:39] <jdh> the seafoam/gas really does work well for decarb'ing. look for "dunks method"
[03:39:01] <tjb1> Do you know where to find info on how to link and sync?
[03:39:14] <jdh> it's in the service manual
[03:39:19] <tjb1> of course :)
[03:39:34] <jdh> there are tutorials on the web too.
[03:39:58] <jdh> what kind of motor?
[03:40:20] <jdh> I have some omc & merc manual
[03:40:24] <tjb1> johnson
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[03:40:31] <r00t4rd3d> big johnson?
[03:41:07] <jdh> I don't know if you really sync&link a single carb
[03:41:11] <r00t4rd3d> they are trying to sell Journey tickets where i live for 75 bucks lol
[03:41:34] <tjb1> Well it has the roller on top
[03:41:54] <tjb1> and the plastic ramp on the timing part but thats about all I can find, no real info on how to set them
[03:43:50] <jdh> my previous boat had a 200hp johnson, I don't miss it.
[03:44:09] <tjb1> Do you put the 16oz into the 3/4 gallon?
[03:44:27] <tjb1> or run it off the 3/4 and then suck the seafoam in while running?
[03:44:28] <jdh> but, for a little motor, I'd not touch the linkages/timing until I cleaned the carb.
[03:44:52] <jdh> I get a gallon jug, put a bottle of seafoam in, fill to 1 gallon with premix
[03:45:05] <tjb1> alright
[03:45:13] <tjb1> Should the bulb lose pressure after running?
[03:45:16] <jdh> them I pour part of that in a spray bottle.
[03:45:17] <tjb1> or stay tight
[03:45:22] <jdh> should stay firm
[03:45:29] <tjb1> Problem number 2...
[03:45:54] <jdh> not much suction on those. The fuel pickup can't be a lot lower than the motor
[03:45:56] <tjb1> Brand new hose and tank
[03:46:08] <tjb1> pickup is higher
[03:46:12] <tjb1> bulb is even higher
[03:46:46] <jdh> new ventless tank?
[03:46:51] <tjb1> No, it has vent
[03:46:55] <tjb1> and opened
[03:46:59] <jdh> wow, where did you find one with a vent?
[03:47:07] <tjb1> Well its not "new"
[03:47:15] <tjb1> Couple years old but hasnt been used a lot
[03:47:31] <tjb1> The hose is brand spankin new
[03:47:53] <tjb1> My dad clamping the hose onto the rail to keep it out of the way of the steering arm, could that be why it is losing pressure?
[03:47:57] <tjb1> *clamped
[03:48:20] <tjb1> The bulb is now about 12" higher than the tank and and about 18" higher than the motor connection
[03:48:22] <jdh> shouldn't if it doesn't compress the hose
[03:48:49] <jdh> it won't stay hard like you pumped it, but should stay full.
[03:49:21] <tjb1> Couldnt hurt to rebuild the pump either
[03:49:31] <jdh> heh, not much to rebuild.
[03:49:44] <jdh> but, if it isn't leaking it's probably fine
[03:49:58] <tjb1> Thats good, doesnt look easy to get off
[03:50:29] <jdh> gummed up carbs are pretty common.
[03:50:33] <tjb1> The idle speed knob doesnt seem to do much of anything
[03:50:52] <tjb1> Its either stumbling or barely running
[03:51:15] <jdh> idle air, or the set screw that holds the throttle open?
[03:52:03] <tjb1> idle air
[03:52:26] <jdh> does it have a shift selector switch that kills one of the cylinders when you go between idle and forward/reverse?
[03:52:42] <tjb1> Got a picture?
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[03:53:43] <jdh> no, it would be a cam operated switch hit by the shifter. As it just goes out of neutral, it trips a switch.
[03:54:09] <jdh> both plugs get hot? same color?
[03:54:26] <tjb1> We just replaced plugs, I will check them
[03:54:38] <tjb1> I know when in reverse it sputters
[03:54:47] <tjb1> like its on a limiter or something, but forward it runs great
[03:55:21] <jdh> dunno about ones that small. Bigger ones kill half the cylinders when shifting to make getting in gear easier
[03:55:27] <tjb1> http://www.marineengine.com/parts/johnson-evinrude-parts.php?year=1989&hp=9.9&model=E10SELCES&manufacturer=Evinrude&section=Ignition
[03:55:30] <tjb1> That part on there?
[03:56:16] <jdh> don't see it.
[03:56:59] <tjb1> http://www.leeroysramblings.com/OB%20images/broken_cam.JPG
[03:57:02] <jdh> I think OMC calls it a shift interupter
[03:57:11] <tjb1> It has that thing I can adjust, the red arrow is pointing to it
[03:57:18] <tjb1> This is part of the link and sync
[03:57:25] <tjb1> Not broken of course
[03:57:34] <jdh> is that the timing adavance adjustment?
[03:58:22] <tjb1> This is a position where the timing plate's cam positions the carburetor arm to where the ideal setting is for starting in relationship to the flywheel magnets & points or CDI sensors.
[03:59:07] <tjb1> So im guessing its just syncing the plate with the timing
[04:00:14] <jdh> dunno, my knowledge only involves things that have gone wrong on mine :)
[04:00:42] <tjb1> I shall try to get carb off tomorrow
[04:00:46] <tjb1> See how that goes
[04:01:05] <tjb1> I hope it is a carb problem
[04:01:16] <jdh> when my little merc starts doing that, I tilt the motor up, pump fuel through it, cycle it up and down a few times, and it usually helps.
[04:01:37] <jdh> or backflush the carbs with gas.
[04:01:50] <jdh> almost always crapped up carbs. I
[04:01:53] <tjb1> Ill just tear it all the way down and pull everything out
[04:02:18] <jdh> I kill the motor by pulling the fuel line off and sucking all teh gas out of the carbs
[04:02:38] <tjb1> yeah when we load it, we take full line off and then run it full throttle until out
[04:03:15] <jdh> there are tiny passages in those carbs
[04:03:46] <tjb1> air and carb cleaner
[04:03:47] <jdh> I have a pair of 4-stroke suzukis on my current boat. They are so much ncier.
[04:03:48] <tjb1> :)
[04:04:11] <jdh> air, carb cleaner, and maybe a strand of wire
[04:05:07] <tjb1> That would be just lovely if that is all I have to do
[04:05:14] <jdh> http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=294072
[04:08:15] <tjb1> up into 70s
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[04:15:45] <tjb1> jdh: do you know if it is normal for water to come out of #5 when the motor is hot - http://www.marineengine.com/parts/evinrude-johnson-parts-diagrams/JOHNSON/49869.gif
[04:17:14] <jdh> no clue, I cant' even tell what that would be.
[04:18:03] <tjb1> its got 8-10 holes in it
[04:18:51] <jdh> does it have through-hub exhaust?
[04:19:19] <tjb1> yes
[04:20:37] <tjb1> #5 is called the muffler
[04:20:43] <jdh> could it be spitting water out of there due to exhaust prssure?
[04:20:50] <jdh> whack
[04:21:00] <tjb1> Dunno
[04:21:06] <tjb1> This motor just drives me nuts
[04:21:50] <jdh> are the internal fuel hoses ethanol rated?
[04:21:53] <tjb1> Ill update you tomorrow if you're on
[04:22:02] <tjb1> Not sure
[04:22:20] <jdh> might check. ethanol sucks.
[04:22:33] <tjb1> Well thanks for the info
[04:22:34] <jdh> not so bad for external tanks with easily replaceable fule lines though
[04:22:38] <tjb1> Ill try the dunks method
[04:22:51] <jdh> I'd clean the carbs first.
[04:22:59] <tjb1> Im doin both ;)
[04:23:14] <jdh> dunks method is really for de-carb'ing the motor but I've only noticed that due to losing top end
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[04:43:28] <ktchk> Hi want to print the "Axis quick reference" from file, does any one know the fle name?
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[05:08:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Keyboard_Shortcuts
[05:08:47] <r00t4rd3d> i think that is what you desire?
[05:10:20] <archivist> I think he wants us to give him a filename.pdf
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[05:24:59] <ktchk> r00t4rd3d: thanks but the list is only part of the list. If the quick reference is on the screen I can print the screen but not able to change the charector size
[05:26:57] <ktchk> r00t4rd3d: I can reedit the link you supplied and can make a big print with bigger key charector . Better view in distance.
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[08:02:49] Cylly2 is now known as Loetmichel
[08:03:32] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[08:08:08] <Loetmichel> sooo, two hrs quality check from customer done, no we have to shrinkwrap 18 pallets of computers and wait for the truck... and then the next order, so we dont get lazy... but this one has a bit more time in int, hopefully now overtime ;-)
[08:08:57] <Loetmichel> -w
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[08:16:34] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[13:58:34] <jthornton> Tom_itx, do you want more glade fun?
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[14:52:15] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: when I restart networking I get postconf: fatal: open /etc/postfix./main.cf: No such file or directory
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[17:05:08] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[17:14:03] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: I wouldn't worry about it unless you're running a mail server.
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[17:17:45] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i'm not sure what that is. i got it too this time
[17:18:29] <Tom_itx> i was also having issues with the static ip in interfaces
[17:18:44] <Tom_itx> it's an 'ubuntu' thing i believe
[17:21:05] <r00t4rd3d> sudo apt-get install postfix
[17:23:12] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: I'm not sure he actually *wants* to run postfix.
[17:23:49] <alex4nder> yah, who wants to run postfix?
[17:24:08] <FinboySlick> Well, as a mail exchanger it's pretty cool.
[17:24:19] <alex4nder> exim||die
[17:24:46] * Jymmm throws the sendmail book (all three volumes) at alex4nder
[17:24:48] <FinboySlick> I prefer postfix. It's a few orders of magnitude more complicated than exim however.
[17:24:49] <r00t4rd3d> also learning postfix makes you valuable.
[17:25:56] <r00t4rd3d> become a spammer!
[17:26:28] <FinboySlick> r00t4rd3d: That's actually easier to do when you *don't* know what the hell you're doing with postfix ;)
[17:27:10] <r00t4rd3d> sending out emails from your own server is cool too.
[17:27:45] <Jymmm> Exim = more security options, but a bit painful and long winded to put up. Great if you really really really hate spam. Postfix = Can install and config it in one line of syntax.Its pretty easy. Fantastic for massive deployment or quick management.
[17:28:26] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/751/c43/2da/resized/bee-beard-meme-generator-i-have-a-bee-beard-your-argument-is-invalid-f6e458.jpg
[17:28:52] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: goony goo goo
[17:29:10] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Your wife is half bigfoot too? ;)
[17:29:26] <r00t4rd3d> you know what they say about girls with big feet
[17:29:30] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: and so are your kids!
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[17:29:40] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: and your car!
[17:29:46] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: I guess the reference wasn't so obscure.
[17:29:53] <FinboySlick> Makes me feel old though.
[17:29:54] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: =)
[17:30:24] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: You are the 2nd person that I have ever heard that knew wth that was =)
[17:30:57] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: funny thing, NOBODY, and I mean NOBODY ever questions wth it is either! lol
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[17:31:36] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: It's an awesome show.
[17:32:00] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: In a couple decades, we'll likely do the same with Louie CK material.
[17:32:04] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Yeah, funny when he drops the mic too.
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[18:04:57] <JT-Shop> I couldn't get the static ip to work either
[18:05:49] <IchGuckLive> uploading new tutorial on heekscadCNC
[18:05:49] <IchGuckLive> attach a stl to get detailed milling
[18:07:11] <JT-Shop> would this be a faster way to install the components sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[18:07:14] <IchGuckLive> static on homeserver
[18:08:00] <JT-Shop> yea
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[18:12:14] <data34876> hi
[18:12:33] <data34876> can anyone help me with build and header files for kernel
[18:12:40] <JT-Shop> http://localhost/ works
[18:13:00] <IchGuckLive> data go to the ubiuntu channel
[18:13:18] <data34876> ok
[18:13:29] <data34876> thanx
[18:13:33] <cradek> data34876: I think headers for your running kernel are always linux-headers-`uname -r`
[18:13:51] <data34876> and what are build files for kernel
[18:14:11] <cradek> need more details
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[18:14:37] <cradek> what are you trying to do?
[18:14:42] <data34876> am installing vmwareplayer on my backtrack linux
[18:14:58] <tjb1> jdh: cam follower roller was broken
[18:15:04] <data34876> am getting error that build and header files for your kernel are not installed
[18:15:39] <cradek> ok, now I agree you're asking in the wrong place, but installing linux-headers might fix it
[18:16:08] <data34876> when i type apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.38
[18:16:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You dont happen to have any 10-15 mil SS shim stock laying around do you?
[18:16:28] <data34876> it says the headers are already at newest version
[18:16:30] <JT-Shop> no ss shim stock at all
[18:16:36] <jdh> tjb1: replaceable?
[18:16:45] <cradek> you may need to ask vmware support for help then
[18:17:07] <cradek> this channel is for linuxcnc, the machine tool control software
[18:17:08] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ok, thanks. Seems nobody does, I only have aluminum and 2mil SS shim stock.
[18:17:14] <tjb1> jdh: Yep, $22 part. The plastic roller broke off of it and allowed the throttle butterfly to close another 1/8"
[18:17:33] <data34876> ok
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[18:17:45] <JT-Shop> php works...
[18:18:03] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ...most of the time.
[18:18:36] <JT-Shop> just testing my lamp and trying to get my home server up and going from Tom_itx instructions
[18:18:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Oh, heh. you mean is operational. gotcha =)
[18:19:26] <JT-Shop> following this atm http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/42480/how-to-turn-your-home-ubuntu-pc-into-a-lamp-web-server/
[18:20:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I thought you were talking about the quirks in php, such as: 0 == FALSE, but 0 !== FALSE. Some functions, such as strpos(), can return 0 as a valid result. For these, you must explicitly check === (or !==) FALSE.
[18:20:32] <JT-Shop> nope, trying to set up a home server thingy
[18:21:00] <tjb1> jdh: I would like to find the guy who decided where the carb bolts went….had to custom make a wrench for it
[18:21:18] <IchGuckLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3m5Liw8LVY DONE upload STL Mill
[18:21:27] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: and this http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/JT-Shop/personal_webserver.txt
[18:21:28] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: In php, '==' operator compares values, but '===' compares values AND types.
[18:22:31] <IchGuckLive> so many 3020 from china are sold now to the USA
[18:22:43] <Jymmm> 8020?
[18:22:54] <IchGuckLive> cnc router
[18:22:59] <Jymmm> ah
[18:24:07] <jdh> tjb1: I had a similar part break on my 200hp johnson. I stuck a piece of a BIC pen on it and ran it for years.
[18:24:16] <IchGuckLive> http://stores.ebay.de/Chinamedshop88-online/_i.html?_nkw=3020&submit=Finden&_sid=782672685
[18:25:20] <IchGuckLive> see the shipping it double's the price
[18:26:25] <jdh> tjb1: the red part in here: http://www.artichoke.org/boat/boat010.jpg
[18:26:28] <tjb1> jdh: This thing was about a 1/2" in diameter, dont know why they just didnt make the whole thing one piece but instead put another piece of plastic on it
[18:27:03] <tjb1> jdh: 11-12-13 here - http://www.marineengine.com/parts/evinrude-johnson-parts-diagrams/JOHNSON/47292.gif
[18:27:14] <IchGuckLive> by for today
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[18:28:38] <tjb1> jdh: http://www.marineengine.com/parts/images/hg/omc/0396236.jpg
[18:29:19] <jdh> all that is plastic? (other than the roller)
[18:30:16] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I know this is 'post mortem', but... http://www.rei.com/product/799003/steripen-adventurer-opti-water-purifier
[18:32:14] <tjb1> All of it is plastic
[18:32:17] <tjb1> The roller is just clear palstic
[18:32:20] <tjb1> *plastic
[18:32:39] <tjb1> I dont understand why it is 2 pieces to begin with...
[18:32:45] <Jymmm> tjb1: "Yo momma is plastic!"
[18:32:51] <jdh> did I mention that I love my four-strokes :)
[18:33:01] <tjb1> Jymmm: Not as much as yo momma!
[18:33:02] <Jymmm> jdh: thats what she said
[18:33:15] <tjb1> It still shakes and sputters some but I think thats because its a 2 stroke
[18:33:25] <jdh> and smokes and stinks
[18:33:30] <tjb1> Saturday will tell whether the damn thing is working right
[18:33:43] <Jymmm> which one do you have to mix oil in the fuel?
[18:33:46] <jdh> changed he impeller and lower unit lube?
[18:34:09] <jdh> Jymm: stinky smelly coughy loud 2-strokes
[18:34:17] <Jymmm> ah
[18:34:21] <Jymmm> ty jdh
[18:34:50] <jdh> http://www.artichoke.org/boat/cat1.jpg ( my current boat, a few years ago when I first got it)
[18:35:22] <tjb1> Yes, impeller was done 3 weeks ago, lower lube looks good
[18:35:47] <tjb1> I spun the motor by hand and it pumped fuel out so I didnt play with that today
[18:35:57] <Jymmm> tjb1: that pic you showed looks like glass impregnated nylon
[18:36:11] <jdh> I wouldn't screw with it.
[18:36:13] <tjb1> Jymmm: The one that broke had turned orange and basically fell apart
[18:36:17] <Jymmm> it's usually good stuff overall
[18:36:19] <jdh> I would try flushing out the carbs though
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[18:36:50] <Jymmm> tjb1: turned orange? Sound liek there were no UV inhibters added
[18:37:01] <jdh> it sees no UV
[18:37:03] <tjb1> I took the carb off jdh
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[18:37:15] <tjb1> Clean, needle valve was working fine also
[18:37:29] <Jymmm> jdh: Doesn't matter, they add a durability to polymers overall
[18:37:37] <jdh> what kind of boat?
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[18:38:23] <tjb1> 20' pontoon
[18:39:16] <jdh> that's not a lot of motor for that.
[18:39:43] <tjb1> Not telling me anything new
[18:39:58] <tjb1> Me and my dad wanted to put a 50 mercury on it
[18:42:07] <JT-Shop> how do you tell if your isp blocks port 80?
[18:42:28] <Tom_itx> it won't work
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[18:42:31] <Tom_itx> i asked mine
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[18:42:50] <JT-Shop> ok so just change it to 81 then
[18:42:53] <Tom_itx> also i looked on the ubuntu site about the static ip and can't figure out why it won't work
[18:43:13] <Tom_itx> if you restart networking it will take effect but on a reboot it reverts to the dynamic one
[18:43:21] <Tom_itx> 81 82
[18:43:27] <Tom_itx> there are several ppl can use
[18:44:35] <jdh> for 'several' being many thousands.
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[18:45:51] <Tom_itx> not all are for http though
[18:45:53] <Tom_itx> i have the list
[18:46:03] <jdh> the list!
[18:46:11] <Tom_itx> yes there is a list
[18:46:15] <jdh> heh
[18:46:19] <Connor> What are you talking about?
[18:46:24] <jdh> craque
[18:46:29] <Tom_itx> some are actually privately owned
[18:46:55] <jdh> you can run http on any port you want.
[18:46:58] <Connor> No ISP is going to block port 80. Port 80 is www
[18:47:06] <jdh> Connor: incoming 80
[18:47:34] <Tom_itx> Connor you don't know what you're talking about
[18:47:36] <JT-Shop> when I do step 10 I get could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name using for ServerName
[18:47:39] <Connor> I would find a new ISP if they blocked any port other than outgoing port 25 (except to their own mail servers)
[18:48:01] <Connor> Tom_itx: I was a Systems Administrator for a ISP for over 13 years.
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[18:49:09] <archivist> Connor, they are talking serving from home
[18:49:28] <Connor> port 80 for home use is often used on the modem/router.. but lots of times that port can be re-assigned and port 80 opened up for use on machine behind it.
[18:49:42] <Connor> archivist: I know. and as I said, I would find a new ISP if they blocked port 80.
[18:50:19] <jdh> most people don't have a lot of choice for non-craptastic ISP
[18:51:14] <JT-Shop> now it won't connect to the router
[18:51:23] <archivist> with the lack of ip addresses fixed ip for serving is getting a cost plus option
[18:51:26] <Connor> Most is either DSL or Cable.. if your lucky you might have 2 cable company's to choose from.
[18:51:29] <Tom_itx> http://ww2.cox.com/residential/kansas/support/internet/article.cox?articleId={cacf82f0-6407-11df-ccef-000000000000}
[18:51:55] <Connor> Tom_itx: I wouldn't use COX. They're dicks. :)
[18:52:12] <Tom_itx> the alternate is much slower
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[18:53:27] <Connor> That's too "big brother" for my taste. I pay for a Internet connection. Not a filtered watered down version of it. :)
[18:53:30] <Connor> Just saying.. :)
[18:54:12] <jdh> my uplink speed is so pathetic it doesn't really matter.
[18:54:28] <Tom_itx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_TCP_and_UDP_port_numbers
[18:54:29] <Connor> Yea, I have like 35 down, 6 up.
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[18:54:49] <jdh> I have 20 down, .9ish up
[18:55:19] <JT-Shop> when I rebooted then I could get to the router
[18:55:40] <jdh> tom_itx: cat /etc/services
[18:56:00] <JT-Shop> does the name in port forwarding mean anything?
[18:56:16] <Tom_itx> not to me
[18:56:18] <Connor> no.
[18:56:22] <jdh> depends on the router.
[18:56:31] <Connor> typically not.
[18:56:47] <Connor> What type of router ?
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[18:56:50] <jdh> one of mine does forwarding for known protocols with names, but you can put in whatever you want.
[18:57:11] <JT-Shop> dlink
[18:57:15] <Connor> model ?
[18:57:25] <JT-Shop> DIR-632
[18:57:52] <Connor> grabbing the manual.. one sec
[18:58:06] <JT-Shop> mine doesn't have start end just TCP and UDP
[18:58:34] <JT-Shop> on step 11 Tom_itx
[18:58:34] <Connor> Virtual Server is what your want.
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[18:58:53] <JT-Shop> ok
[18:59:33] <Connor> oh wait. one sec..
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[18:59:44] <Connor> they had port forwarding under that page.. wtf..
[19:00:22] <Connor> okay, yea.. virtual server.
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[19:00:54] <Connor> give it a name, and ip, specify the www or http for application name. port 80, TCP
[19:01:12] <Connor> schedule for always.
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[19:01:48] <Connor> port forwarding lets you do a range of ports.. you just need port 80.
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[19:01:51] <JT-Shop> 80 on public port only?
[19:01:58] <Connor> for http yes.
[19:02:09] <DJ9DJ> namd
[19:02:12] <Connor> unless your doing SSL (cecurity certificate)
[19:02:20] <Connor> then you need 443 also..
[19:02:26] <Connor> but, for home use, probably not.
[19:02:44] <JT-Shop> no, just want to do a local web page
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[19:02:53] <Connor> yea, so, port 80
[19:03:30] <JT-Shop> it gives me an error about the private port not being in the range of 1-65535
[19:03:42] <Connor> private port should be 80 also
[19:03:48] <Tom_itx> what router do you have?
[19:03:56] <Connor> http://www.dlink.com/us/en/home-solutions/connect/routers/-/media/Consumer_Products/DIR/DIR-632/Manual/DIR-632_Manual_US.ashx
[19:04:07] <JT-Shop> dlink dir-632
[19:04:35] <Connor> must be a different firmware, because they don't give a option for private port..
[19:04:45] <Connor> that's more advanced..
[19:04:50] <Connor> which is nice.
[19:05:29] * Jymmm would suggest using a public port other than the norm (80, 8080, etc) as it wil help reduce the traffic of bot port scanners)
[19:05:32] <JT-Shop> page 32 shows the virtural server screen
[19:05:47] <Connor> JT-Shop that's the page I'm looking at.
[19:06:15] <Connor> Oh. I see private now.. it's really small on my screen.. strange how they've stacked them..
[19:06:19] <JT-Shop> crappy screen capture
[19:06:19] <jdh> my dlink would only forward to the same port... piece of shit
[19:06:48] <Connor> looks like you have a inbound filter too.. you want allow all..
[19:07:00] <JT-Shop> ok how to I access my web page?
[19:07:02] <Jymmm> all what?
[19:07:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop is the router port set the same as your ports.conf?
[19:07:23] <Jymmm> all protocols? all traffic?
[19:07:46] <JT-Shop> tom no, I need to go back and change that or change the router to 81
[19:07:52] <Connor> Jymmm: Looking at the manual.. you could restrict IP's and such.
[19:07:54] <Tom_itx> right
[19:07:56] <JT-Shop> easier to change router
[19:08:01] <Tom_itx> or it won't be visible
[19:08:23] <JT-Shop> ok both are the same
[19:08:30] <Connor> what's your external IP ?
[19:08:33] <Tom_itx> what's the ip?
[19:08:48] <JT-Shop> external IP?
[19:08:53] <Tom_itx> the one the router uses
[19:09:08] <JT-Shop>
[19:09:11] <Connor> ?
[19:09:18] <Tom_itx> 192 is local i think
[19:09:24] <Connor> No No. Goto whatismyip.com
[19:09:25] <JT-Shop> from your example Tom_itx
[19:09:38] <Jymmm> Connor: The issue *I* have is that once you open a port to a box, there is the possibility if the box gets comprimised that they can use the box to access everything on the LAN. thus when I hear "ALLOW ALL" it can be some scarry shit.
[19:09:41] <Tom_itx> that's to view it on your local network
[19:09:48] <Tom_itx> public needs the router's ip
[19:10:13] <Connor> Jymmm: Just going on what the manual says. you can look it over if you want.. :)
[19:10:13] <Tom_itx> 192 is private i believe
[19:10:19] <JT-Shop> Connor: yes
[19:10:32] <Jymmm> Connor: No thanks, VLANS FTW!!! =)
[19:10:41] <Tom_itx> look for a 68.xx something
[19:10:45] <Connor> okay, so.
[19:10:47] <Connor> is his IP
[19:11:08] <Connor> /whois JT-Shop
[19:11:10] <Connor> :)
[19:11:19] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop what's your user name for the webpage?
[19:11:35] <JT-Shop> webpage
[19:11:52] <Tom_itx>
[19:11:55] <Tom_itx> try that
[19:12:05] <Jymmm> 10, 172.16-172.31, and 192.168 are private subnets IPv4
[19:12:12] <Tom_itx> it timed out here
[19:12:17] <Connor> Yea. me too.
[19:12:24] <Tom_itx> you need a index.html there
[19:12:35] <JT-Shop> give me a sec
[19:12:51] <Tom_itx> there's a default one in /usr/www
[19:13:00] <Tom_itx> you could use that if you want
[19:13:10] <Jymmm> Doesn't NEED it, usually will just show an index of files otherwise.
[19:13:39] <Connor> might want to check the access control..
[19:13:51] <Connor> If you don't have a rule for port 81.. then it won't work.
[19:15:26] <JT-Shop> yea I have on in var/www how do I use that one
[19:15:31] <Connor> add a rule, call it www, policy Alwys, type, IP, put in your PRIVATE ip of your macine,
[19:15:49] <Tom_itx> shold resolve to that one
[19:15:54] <JT-Shop> where is the rule?
[19:15:58] <Tom_itx> unless your router is still blocking it
[19:16:02] <Connor> Apply Advanced Port filter rule checked.,
[19:16:07] <Tom_itx> i didn't need a rule on mine
[19:16:17] <Connor> JT-Shop: page 37
[19:16:20] <Tom_itx> i just sent the port to the ip
[19:16:42] <Connor> Tom_itx: That should be correct..but.. who knows.. some of these routers do funny things.
[19:17:03] <JT-Shop> application rule in advanced?
[19:17:03] <Tom_itx> it should be open by default unless you set a rule
[19:17:21] <Connor> Not sure.
[19:18:07] <Tom_itx> i can't ping
[19:18:26] <Tom_itx> check your router ip again
[19:18:46] <Connor> that might just mean the ISP has ping blocked..
[19:18:54] <Connor> which IS fairly common on residential
[19:19:02] <JT-Shop> private ip is the one I set in the virtual ?
[19:19:15] <Tom_itx> yes i believe so
[19:19:28] <Tom_itx> also what range does your router allow?
[19:19:33] <Tom_itx> it may be a different ip range
[19:19:40] <Tom_itx> than what i gave in the example
[19:19:53] <JT-Shop> how do I see the range
[19:20:21] <Tom_itx> under dhcp?
[19:20:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: many routers have a setting to not to respond to ping, aka stealth mode.
[19:21:06] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, P.27
[19:21:16] <Tom_itx> your ip needs to be within that range
[19:21:28] <Tom_itx> or change the range
[19:21:55] <Tom_itx> i think i changed my range
[19:22:13] <JT-Shop> it's - .199
[19:22:28] <Tom_itx> so change that or change your local static ip assignment
[19:22:37] <JT-Shop> ok
[19:22:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: does your sattellite block ports?
[19:22:42] <Tom_itx> so it fits in the range
[19:23:01] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: dunno
[19:23:21] <Tom_itx> we'll find out. if he can view it locally on his network and not public...
[19:23:33] <JT-Shop> ok
[19:23:46] <Tom_itx> for a local view use the 192. address
[19:24:00] <Tom_itx>
[19:24:02] <Tom_itx> or such
[19:24:16] <Jymmm>
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[19:24:57] <JT-Shop> should I do that on the same computer or a different one on the same network
[19:25:16] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: is the same computer, always.
[19:25:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: what is your sat ISP?
[19:25:24] <JT-Shop> wildblue
[19:26:29] <JT-Shop> 127 works on the same computer and the it works! page shows up but does not work
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[19:28:48] <Jymmm>
[19:29:19] <Tom_itx> what did you set the port to be?
[19:30:24] <JT-Shop>
[19:30:28] <JT-Shop> :81
[19:30:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: your modem black or blue?
[19:31:23] <JT-Shop> black I think
[19:36:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: BTW, setting up a public web server is against the acceptable use policy. Item: XIV http://www.wildblue.com/legal/acceptable-use-policy
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[20:00:38] <Connor> His freakign router rebooted..
[20:00:53] <jdh> I thought it might help, so I rebooted it for him.
[20:01:07] <Connor> ROFL
[20:01:13] <Connor> waiting for him to come back up..
[20:01:32] <Connor> I hope their isn't somethign else in the config he changed on it that's causing him issues.
[20:01:32] <archivist> isp will be reflashing his router to make him comply
[20:01:52] <jdh> no need, they will just block anything they don't like.
[20:02:04] <jdh> wonder how bad sat. uplink speed is?
[20:02:09] <Connor> I had it working.
[20:02:17] <Connor> His IP may have changed though..
[20:03:05] <jdh> RR almost always gives me the same ip.
[20:03:23] <Connor> I've had the same IP for like 2.5 years now.
[20:03:28] <jdh> 80/tcp open http
[20:03:38] <archivist> if my ip changes, BT has failed in its obligations :)
[20:03:46] <Connor> okay, anyone have a phone # for him ?
[20:03:49] <jdh> 81 is open also
[20:03:52] <Tom_itx> Jymmm are you the webserver police?
[20:04:01] <Connor> or way to get in touch with him..
[20:04:12] <Connor> I'm afraid he's done something to trash his router config.
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[20:04:49] <jdh> it's still working on :81
[20:04:55] <Tom_itx> guess again
[20:05:12] <Connor> He's back!
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[20:06:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No I'm not, but I dont want jthornton's internet shut off because it's agaist the AUP either, he's had such a bitch of a time over the years even getting anything other than dialup.
[20:06:39] <Tom_itx> oh
[20:06:40] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: do you think they will care?
[20:07:02] <Tom_itx> i asked mine to unblock 80 for me and they said no. i told them i'd do what i needed to do then
[20:07:19] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It depends on how much of a prick they are. satellite bandwidht is expenseive, they might care moreso than say dsl or cable internet.
[20:07:35] <archivist> some just charge a bit more for the privilege
[20:07:45] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: there are forums for them if you want to ask
[20:07:46] <Tom_itx> if your traffic is minimal they won't say anything i doubt
[20:07:50] <JT-Shop> their bandwidth meter is broken and they don't care if it works or not
[20:08:04] <Tom_itx> if you start getting alot more traffic they may not like it
[20:08:31] <Tom_itx> mine hasn't ever been alot
[20:08:47] <Tom_itx> you can use google analytics on your pages if you wanna monitor it
[20:08:52] <Tom_itx> or some such thing
[20:08:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: it's not you little traffic, it's the scammers that port scan that added extra usage that may throw soem flags (potentially)
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[20:09:45] <JT-Shop> that part worries me a bit
[20:10:03] <jdh> I ran a cross an article by texasmicrocircuits.com in an old digital machinists magazine. Most badly written article ever...then I checked their web site, and it is the worst web site I've ever seen.
[20:10:13] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I'd toss it on an oddball public port ( > 10000+)
[20:10:44] <Connor>
[20:10:45] <JT-Shop> pick a number
[20:10:47] <Jymmm> most only scan the common ports
[20:10:48] <Tom_itx> i don't think many use 81 or 82
[20:10:50] <Connor> got it working for him now.
[20:10:51] <Jymmm> 43882
[20:10:58] <Jymmm> 23953
[20:11:05] <Jymmm> 39248
[20:11:08] <Jymmm> all random
[20:11:13] <Jymmm> (I hope =)
[20:11:18] <Tom_itx> yeah that's the default /usr/www directory
[20:11:31] <Tom_itx> but it is working
[20:11:49] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, now get a name from dyndns or such for free
[20:11:51] <JT-Shop> the default var/www is ok
[20:11:56] <Tom_itx> yeah
[20:12:01] <Tom_itx> i have multiple ones
[20:12:17] <Connor> His ubuntu was DHCP and was on .109
[20:12:22] <Jymmm> jt-is-such-a-whore.dynadns.org
[20:12:24] <Tom_itx> if you just have one that's fine and probably alot easier for ubuntu
[20:12:29] <Tom_itx> heh
[20:12:36] <Connor> we set it to reserve that IP for the machine and changed the mapping to reflect.
[20:12:51] <Tom_itx> is his static ip working now?
[20:13:00] <Connor> I don't think so.
[20:13:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: You can also only run it when you need it if that helps any.
[20:13:07] <Tom_itx> i need to figure out what it takes to make that work in ubuntu
[20:13:15] <Connor> I just told the router to reserve that IP for his LAMP machine.
[20:13:16] <Tom_itx> i'm using debian on my server
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[20:16:08] <JT-Shop> can I switch it off on the computer somehow?
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[20:16:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: easier to just close the port on the router when not needed
[20:16:30] <Connor> switch what off ?
[20:16:45] <JT-Shop> the web page access
[20:16:56] <Connor> Ah.. Schedule thingie in the router might be of some help.
[20:17:05] <JT-Shop> ok
[20:17:06] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: err... disbale the port forwarding on your router when not in use
[20:17:32] <Tom_itx> that would be the easiest probably
[20:17:39] <Tom_itx> or change the port in ports.conf
[20:17:42] <Jymmm> usually there's an option to enable/disable port forwarding entries without having to add/remote it.
[20:17:45] <Jymmm> remove
[20:18:05] <Connor> stop the http service.
[20:18:11] <Connor> number of ways to do it.
[20:18:33] <Connor> just depends on were your at and how you want to do it.
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[20:19:06] <JT-Shop> the computer is right next to me and I don't know how I want to do it :)
[20:19:16] <Tom_itx> unplug it?
[20:19:26] <Tom_itx> that always works
[20:20:11] <JT-Shop> well I write programs for my CNC machines on this box... maybe I should use another for this now that I know how
[20:20:16] <Connor> sudo service apache2 stop
[20:20:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop so you're using a dynamic ip right now?
[20:20:26] <Tom_itx> no need really
[20:20:31] <JT-Shop> no, can't find out how
[20:20:41] <Connor> in the command line will shut down the webserver.
[20:20:42] <Tom_itx> i had it working once
[20:20:43] <JT-Shop> kill apache2 would work
[20:20:50] <Tom_itx> if i figure it out i'll let you know
[20:21:17] <Tom_itx> they probably changed something in one of the updates
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[20:21:34] <Tom_itx> it's a bit different on debian too but debian works
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[20:23:38] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, where is gnipsel hosted?
[20:23:39] <JT-Shop> damm screen just went black again on the ubuntu computer
[20:23:52] <JT-Shop> website4life
[20:24:15] <Tom_itx> is it bandwidth limited?
[20:24:20] <JT-Shop> no
[20:24:22] <DJ9DJ> screensaver? ;)
[20:24:46] <JT-Shop> it does not recover from it
[20:25:18] <JT-Shop> I have to hold the power button in for 15 sec then press again to start
[20:28:45] <Tom_itx> what does self.error_channel() return?
[20:28:54] <Tom_itx> what does self.error_channel.poll() return?
[20:29:07] <JT-Shop> in the gui tutorial?
[20:29:35] <JT-Shop> the second one updates the error list if any
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[20:47:20] <wd5jwy> I have a couple of questions for anyone out there familiar with GladeVCP
[20:47:40] * jthornton runs and hides
[20:48:33] <wd5jwy> jthornton - can I ping you in a separate chat - do you have a minute?
[20:49:06] <jthornton> yea
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[20:49:34] <Tom_itx> it might be useful to us all though
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[20:50:42] <jthornton> that's what I thought
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[20:52:33] <Tom_itx> jthornton did you find anything left out in that file i linked you?
[20:53:24] <jthornton> not really, just the router stuff and I used lamp to install everything so faster
[20:54:12] <Tom_itx> what is lamp?
[20:54:38] <jthornton> linux apache3 mysql php
[20:54:44] <jthornton> one install does it all
[20:54:50] <Tom_itx> oh
[20:54:50] <Connor> Yup.
[20:55:20] <Tom_itx> well i'm still a rookie
[20:55:21] <jthornton> sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[20:56:00] <Jymmm> sudo makemeasandwich
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[21:00:34] <wd5jwy> So my current config.ini already has a POSTGUI_HALFILE = custom_postgui.hal statement in it
[21:00:54] <wd5jwy> do I replace that or just add another to make my custom panel work?
[21:00:55] <jthornton> are you using the custom_postgui.hal file?
[21:01:04] <wd5jwy> not that I know
[21:01:17] <jthornton> then just change the name to what you want to use
[21:01:18] <wd5jwy> I just start axis after running the stepconfig
[21:01:37] <wd5jwy> ok, so that's what I did and got the errors
[21:01:39] <jthornton> I usually just call it postgui.hal
[21:01:43] <jthornton> less typing
[21:01:57] <wd5jwy> let me do it again and I'll post the exact error I'm getting
[21:02:00] <jthornton> so you have some stuff in the other file
[21:02:10] <wd5jwy> yes, just one statement
[21:02:20] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:02:33] <jthornton> say goodnight Gracie
[21:02:37] <wd5jwy> setp gladevcp.hal_table1 1
[21:02:47] <wd5jwy> that's all that's in the .hal file
[21:03:05] <wd5jwy> to make the table active on startup
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[21:04:22] <jthornton> comment that out and run your config
[21:04:44] <wd5jwy> ah, ok
[21:04:48] <wd5jwy> just a sec
[21:06:39] <jthornton> now look in show hal configuration for the gladevcp pin names
[21:07:01] <wd5jwy> ok, it ran that time with that statement commented out
[21:07:20] <wd5jwy> do I need to change the name of the Hal_Table1 to something else maybe
[21:08:04] <jthornton> did you look at the pins?
[21:08:13] <wd5jwy> I'm looking now
[21:08:40] <wd5jwy> OK, I see them - what am I looking for?
[21:09:30] <wd5jwy> pin name for the Hal table is Coil_Winder.hal_table1
[21:09:30] <jthornton> do you have any gladevcp pins?
[21:10:17] <wd5jwy> well, I have Pins/Coil_Winder - then all the pins listed - aren't those the GladeVCP pins?
[21:10:23] <jthornton> kinda long don't you think?
[21:10:30] <wd5jwy> yeah
[21:10:43] <wd5jwy> but, I'm just trying to get something working
[21:11:10] <jthornton> if it is under gladevcp it is
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[21:11:40] <wd5jwy> well, I don't see anything that says GladeVCP
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[21:11:48] <jthornton> click on the pin so it shows up in the show window
[21:12:02] <wd5jwy> Just Components Pins Parameters etc
[21:12:03] <jthornton> then you don't have it loaded
[21:12:19] <wd5jwy> hmmmm
[21:13:01] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/224466
[21:13:18] <jthornton> click on the + in front of pins
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[21:13:55] <wd5jwy> I did
[21:14:22] <wd5jwy> it expands to Coil_Winder - the name of the ui
[21:14:32] <wd5jwy> and then the pin names below it
[21:14:40] <r00t4rd3d> sweet, another shooting
[21:15:11] <jthornton> wd5jwy, this is a stepconf config?
[21:15:12] <Tom_itx> we had a local one today
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[21:16:06] <wd5jwy> yeah created with the stepconfig tool
[21:17:00] <jthornton> show me a screen shot like the one I just posted
[21:17:07] <wd5jwy> http://imagebin.org/224467
[21:17:59] <jthornton> ok, you renamed it then
[21:18:15] <wd5jwy> yes
[21:18:50] <wd5jwy> so just wondering why the setp command in the .hal file doesn't work
[21:19:12] <jthornton> what was the command?
[21:19:52] <wd5jwy> # setp gladevcp.hal_table1 1
[21:19:56] <wd5jwy> oh, I see
[21:20:02] <wd5jwy> god, I'm such a dumbass
[21:20:09] <wd5jwy> so, it should be
[21:20:25] <wd5jwy> setp coil_winder.hal_table1 1
[21:20:28] <wd5jwy> geeeze
[21:20:44] <jthornton> well close you do have some humpyback
[21:20:55] <jthornton> best to change the name to all lower case
[21:21:12] <wd5jwy> ok - to avoid what exactly?
[21:21:17] <Tom_itx> problems
[21:21:27] <wd5jwy> we don't like problems
[21:21:34] <wd5jwy> will do
[21:22:01] <wd5jwy> thanks guys
[21:22:06] <wd5jwy> sorry to waste your time
[21:22:12] <wd5jwy> on something so stupid
[21:22:15] <Tom_itx> put a quarter in the jar
[21:22:19] <wd5jwy> will do
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[21:22:23] <jthornton> no waste if you learned something
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[21:22:34] <jthornton> and some lurker might have learned as well
[21:22:53] <wd5jwy> it's always the same with code - 1+1 does not equal 3
[21:25:29] <jthornton> now you have to work through my glade tutorial and look for mistooks
[21:26:10] <Tom_itx> zz
[21:27:45] <wd5jwy> Yes, I've been playing with that one too
[21:27:53] <wd5jwy> I do have one question on that
[21:27:58] <wd5jwy> in the python file
[21:28:11] <jthornton> I've fixed a lot today and yesterday
[21:28:14] <wd5jwy> you have a string variable that seems to never be used
[21:28:25] <wd5jwy> eval_string = ""
[21:28:29] <wd5jwy> what is that for?
[21:28:34] <wd5jwy> where is it used?
[21:28:35] <jthornton> copy and paste error
[21:28:40] <wd5jwy> ah, ok
[21:28:45] <wd5jwy> thot that might be it
[21:29:02] <wd5jwy> I learned a lot just trying to find out why that was there
[21:29:29] <jthornton> searching the web for answers on that?
[21:29:37] <wd5jwy> yes
[21:29:55] <wd5jwy> thot maybe it was inherited from some other class
[21:29:59] <jthornton> did you find the calculator tutorial?
[21:30:03] <wd5jwy> yes
[21:30:09] <wd5jwy> same variable there too
[21:30:12] <jthornton> that is where that came from I think
[21:30:30] <wd5jwy> makes sense
[21:30:37] <wd5jwy> easier to copy-n-paste
[21:30:42] <jthornton> but he used it in his code
[21:30:47] <wd5jwy> ah
[21:31:21] <wd5jwy> I thot you just created it and then never put it to use
[21:32:15] <jthornton> no, I was searching for how to calculate the RPM for my example and found the calculator one so I snipped a couple of lines from it
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[21:32:56] <jthornton> I changed the status one quite a bit if you want to do it over again it makes more sense now
[21:33:04] <wd5jwy> will do
[21:33:29] <wd5jwy> I actually couldn't get it work with Hal widgets instead of the common widgets
[21:33:35] <wd5jwy> I know I was doing something wrong
[21:33:44] <wd5jwy> but, I'm not going to bug you on that
[21:33:50] <wd5jwy> I'll keep playing with it
[21:34:08] <jthornton> after doing the glade tutorial you might want to do the gui tutorial it has a mix of gladevcp in it
[21:34:29] <wd5jwy> ok
[21:34:48] <wd5jwy> so I know this is another stupid question
[21:35:11] <jthornton> you shouldn't lead the audience
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[21:35:44] <wd5jwy> what is the difference between using gladevcp and creating a panel with .ui extension vs a .glade extension?
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[21:36:46] <jthornton> if you use .ui and click on the file name then Qt will open it, if you use .glade then Glade3 will open it that is why I use .glade
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[21:37:55] <wd5jwy> so the widget functionality is the same either way?
[21:38:12] <jthornton> yea
[21:39:19] <jthornton> I use several gladevcp widgets in my gui tutorial
[21:39:26] <jthornton> and actions
[21:40:25] <wd5jwy> yes, and when I tried Hal widgets, I couldn't get it to work - but I'll work on that til I figure out why - I'll learn something.........maybe
[21:41:13] <jthornton> I think if you do the gui tutorial it will shed some light on the gladevcp widgets for you
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[21:42:53] <wd5jwy> yep, what I'm really trying to do is create a control that will allow me to precisely set the RPM on a couple of stepper motors.
[21:43:38] <wd5jwy> and maybe provide some feedback as to completed shaft rotation - turns count
[21:44:43] <wd5jwy> I wouldn't think it would be that difficult once I get a handle on the scripting - never played with Python before, so I'm new at it
[21:45:30] <JT-Shop> so your using a velocity input to the stepgen?
[21:46:01] <wd5jwy> I haven't gotten that far yet - so don't know how I'm going to do it
[21:46:06] <wd5jwy> but it must be possible
[21:46:54] <wd5jwy> the stepconf utility does it with the Test motor function - it allows you to set the motor speed with a spinbutton
[21:47:02] <wd5jwy> that's all I'm trying to do
[21:48:04] <wd5jwy> basically, I want to use a spinbutton to set the speed (RPM) on one motor and then input a ratio - the ratio would then calculate the speed (RPM) of the other motor
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[21:48:58] <wd5jwy> so, I would then have one motor running at say 60 RPM while the other motor runs at 90 RPM with a ratio of 1:1.5
[21:49:01] <JT-Shop> sounds like it should work
[21:49:53] <wd5jwy> I want the input ratio to calculate and then set the speed of the other motor based on the set speed of motor number 1
[21:50:01] <wd5jwy> I'm trying to build a coil winding machine
[21:50:47] <wd5jwy> motor 1 would control the traverse mechanism by using a cam-driven shaft - the other motor (motor2) would wind the wire on the coil bobbin
[21:51:02] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[21:51:17] <JT-Shop> good to read this page http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[21:51:25] <JT-Shop> what is working so far?
[21:51:34] <wd5jwy> the actual ratio of speeds between the two motors is what is critical
[21:52:03] <wd5jwy> nothing so far - just got the stepper motors and controller working - just starting on trying to write the code to control them
[21:52:18] <wd5jwy> I've already built a hand-cranked model that works
[21:52:49] <JT-Shop> well you can turn your table on now
[21:53:12] <wd5jwy> I'm trying to duplicate how the old mechanical coil winders worked - they used numerous cams but they achieved the speed ratio through the use of gears
[21:53:36] <wd5jwy> so instead of using gears, I thought of using stepper motors instead
[21:53:40] <wd5jwy> nothing new about that
[21:53:51] <wd5jwy> but commercial winders cost well over 5 figures
[21:53:57] <wd5jwy> can't afford one of those
[21:53:59] <JT-Shop> seems to me you just need the velocity of the second motor from the ratio
[21:54:10] <wd5jwy> exactly correct
[21:54:39] <wd5jwy> so I'll have one spinbutton to set the speed for the first motor - then a text box for entering the ratio
[21:54:48] <wd5jwy> which would set the speed of the second motor
[21:55:06] <wd5jwy> then a start/stop button
[21:55:11] <JT-Shop> yep and toss in a little python math and your set
[21:55:24] <wd5jwy> maybe also some controls for acceleration as well
[21:55:36] <JT-Shop> you can do that in stepgen
[21:55:41] <wd5jwy> cool
[21:55:46] <wd5jwy> I'll look at the link
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[22:21:28] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: did you get your web server to keep the same ip?
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[22:30:41] <Tom_itx> haven't messed with ubuntu anymore yet but my main one works fine
[22:31:28] <JT-Shop> we had to set the router to reserve that address so it would not reassign it during a reboot
[22:31:58] <Tom_itx> i just picked one high enough it wouldn't get assigned
[22:32:09] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[22:33:13] <Tom_itx> about half of the stuff here is wireless
[22:33:29] <Tom_itx> just got a new wireless access point for that
[22:33:57] <Tom_itx> so far it's working a helluva lot better than the linksys
[22:34:00] <JT-Shop> ah ok, I'm almost all wired Cat6e
[22:34:17] <Tom_itx> me too but there are 3 or 4 laptops etc here
[22:34:23] <Tom_itx> game consoles...
[22:34:58] <Tom_itx> i have a 24 port switch under my desk
[22:35:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.ubnt.com/unifi
[22:35:49] <Tom_itx> and one of those for wifi
[22:39:00] <JT-Shop>
[22:39:10] <JT-Shop> neat
[22:39:15] <L84Supper> http://www.micromanufacturing.com/content/micromanufacturing-lab-tour-northwestern-univ nice granite benches
[22:39:31] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop now go sign up at dyndns and get a name for it
[22:39:37] <JT-Shop> where?
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[22:40:03] <Tom_itx> http://dyn.com/dns/
[22:41:05] <JT-Shop> those seem to be all pay for services
[22:41:25] <Tom_itx> there's a free one there somewhere... i'm looking
[22:41:37] <JT-Shop> me too
[22:41:43] <L84Supper> yeah, it's free but you have to renew every 30 days
[22:41:48] <Tom_itx> if you set your router up to ping them you don't have to keep resigning
[22:41:59] <Tom_itx> L84Supper ^^
[22:41:59] <L84Supper> it's ~$25 for a whole year
[22:46:02] <L84Supper> http://dyn.com/dns/dns-comparison/ Pro vs Standard, I've been using them for ~10 years with no real problems so far
[22:46:05] <Tom_itx> maybe they don't offer free now
[22:46:14] <Tom_itx> i still get mine free
[22:48:07] <L84Supper> yes, they used to have a free version that would expire if you didn't login every 30 days
[22:48:28] <Tom_itx> they email me now
[22:48:41] <Tom_itx> but my router used to ping them so i never used to get bothered
[22:49:32] <L84Supper> I use it for VOIP so I just paid for 5 years with some special offer
[22:49:51] <L84Supper> ~$10 a year
[22:50:59] <Tom_itx> You can cancel the trial before 14 days and still receive one free hostname
[22:51:56] <Tom_itx> If you do not have a hardware update client, you can install a software update client on a computer anywhere in the network (typically your server computer). We recommend using a software client whenever possible, since they are easier to troubleshoot and configure than hardware update clients.
[22:53:19] <Tom_itx> Linux/Unix: ddclient
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