#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-08-11

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[00:02:40] <linux-cnc-bob> hi
[00:03:12] <linux-cnc-bob> i am making a circular pocket 1" deep, but my cutter effective length (end mill) is only 3/4".. is it ok to use it still for delrin?
[00:06:02] <alex4nder> the shank isn't 'back cut'?
[00:06:22] <alex4nder> "undersized"
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[00:16:15] <linux-cnc-bob> nope
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[00:26:14] <alex4nder> linux-cnc-bob: well I hope you like friction then
[00:26:35] <alex4nder> or overcut the top 1/4"
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[00:36:14] <linux-cnc-bob> ok thx
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[00:43:03] <ReadError> anyone know a good source of colored g10 ?
[00:43:09] <ReadError> i found one but cant find it anymore :(
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[00:57:17] <Tom_itx> ReadError g10?
[00:57:27] <ReadError> yea
[00:57:29] <ReadError> fr4
[00:57:38] <Tom_itx> oh
[00:57:39] <Tom_itx> no
[00:57:43] <ReadError> phenolic resin
[00:57:45] <Tom_itx> you mean production?
[00:57:48] <ReadError> idk it has alot of names
[00:57:58] <Tom_itx> what color?
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[00:58:02] <ReadError> its basically just fiberglass sheet ;)
[00:58:07] <ReadError> black or so
[00:58:10] <ReadError> quit follow me toner !
[00:58:30] <Tom_itx> you want a fab house that does color?
[00:58:45] <ReadError> well i just need a couple 12x24" sheets
[00:58:51] <ReadError> ive seen a site a bit back, that had them
[00:58:56] <ReadError> but cant for the life of me find it
[00:59:23] <Tom_itx> the fr4 is copper color until you etch and mask it
[00:59:33] <ReadError> nah
[00:59:39] <ReadError> thats copper clad FR4
[00:59:44] <ReadError> but FR4 alone is just the fiberglass
[01:00:00] <Tom_itx> ok so you just want the fiberglass with no copper on it
[01:00:05] <ReadError> yessir
[01:00:11] <ReadError> i currently get it from amazon
[01:00:14] <ReadError> but its ugly yellow
[01:00:46] <Tom_itx> can't help you with that
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[01:02:57] <ReadError> i do need some 60degree carving endmills though
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[02:29:37] <Jymmm> ReadError: thickness?
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[02:50:21] <ReadError> Jymmm: around 0.090 ish
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[03:16:13] <jy76> whats everyone building?
[03:25:09] <ssi> excuses for not getting machines done
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[04:33:59] <ReadError> http://i1122.photobucket.com/albums/l535/iamrot/fatandstupid.png
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[05:03:11] <ssi> god windows is a pile
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[06:15:41] <tjb1> Some good horror stories about getting routers/lasers from china
[06:16:40] <toner> ReadError: haha
[06:16:41] <toner> nice
[06:16:58] <toner> tjb1: fslaser.com good so far :D
[06:17:25] <tjb1> Ill make one myself before I buy it direct from china :)
[06:17:45] <toner> hehe
[06:18:15] <toner> dealextreme.com does have some nice cheap shit, tho, if you are willing to wait the 6-8 weeks for delivery
[06:18:48] <Jymmm> 4-5
[06:19:11] <tjb1> You mean 6-8 months?
[06:19:15] <toner> yeah it doesn't take tooo long
[06:19:21] <tjb1> Dont order from them around chinese new year
[06:19:29] <Jymmm> 4-5 weeks on avg
[06:19:54] <tjb1> Does china mail really just get that overloaded during chinese new year?
[06:20:08] <Jymmm> shuts down 100%
[06:20:14] <Jymmm> for 7 days
[06:20:25] <tjb1> Oh they stop?
[06:20:54] <tjb1> I dont get too excited ordering from China
[06:21:10] <tjb1> Takes 3-4 days to hit the US and another 2 to get through customs
[06:22:00] <toner> heh
[06:22:10] <toner> I had planned out this big led project years ago
[06:22:20] <toner> designed PCBs and wrote up a communication protocol
[06:22:33] <toner> spec'd out these cool Piranha LEDs from some factory in China
[06:22:48] <toner> bright, wide-angle, cheap, cool package
[06:23:12] <toner> so I try to order like 2 of each color I was gonna use, just to make sure they are roughly what I wanted
[06:23:27] <toner> 'ok fine. shipping will be $150'
[06:23:39] <tjb1> Hahaha
[06:23:48] <toner> so I e-mail back going WHAT? it's like a handfull of LEDs. can't you just throw it in an envelope and send it my way??
[06:24:36] <toner> and they mail me back this ultrabitchy email basically saying HAHAHA if you are concerned about paying $100 for shipping, you are obviously so small that your order volumes will never ever ever be worth our time. go to radio shack. fuck off.
[06:24:43] <toner> the project died ;(
[06:24:52] <tjb1> I like how I can buy something off ebay with free shipping and they paid more to ship it to me than the thing was worth
[06:25:17] <toner> I was gonna buy like $300 of LEDs and who knows what afterwards\
[06:25:24] <toner> fuckers
[06:25:34] <tjb1> That one of those that you have to western union the money to?
[06:25:42] <toner> haha yup
[06:26:00] <tjb1> Yeah, some of those router companies you read about on cnczone couldnt handle selling on ebay
[06:26:06] <tjb1> Paypal would tear them a new ass
[06:26:18] <toner> I stil <3 austriamicrosystems for overnight shipping me free samples of their magnetic rotary sensor chips
[06:26:20] <toner> TWICE
[06:26:22] <toner> <3
[06:26:30] <toner> that must not have been cheap
[06:26:39] <toner> from austria to usa overnight
[06:26:59] <toner> really nice chips, too
[06:27:07] <tjb1> Nice
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[06:33:00] <tjb1> anyone seen willencmd?
[06:33:27] <tjb1> !seen WillenCMD
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[06:45:57] <tjb1> !help
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[06:55:33] <DJ9DJ> moin
[06:56:21] <tjb1> hello
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[11:19:06] <jthornton> weee I can poll errors now
[11:20:02] <micges> jthornton: hi
[11:20:17] <jthornton> micges, hi
[11:20:23] <DJ9DJ> hi guys :)
[11:20:33] <micges> on what machine you'll use your gui
[11:20:37] <micges> hi DJ9DJ
[11:20:53] <jthornton> the plasma I think
[11:21:39] <jthornton> I'd like to be able to make a couple of selections on a tab and get cut height, pierce delay, cut speed, voltage, and amperage settings
[11:21:57] <jthornton> and put them into my subroutine
[11:22:08] <micges> great
[11:22:14] <Jymmm> you forgot blood type
[11:22:30] <jthornton> that is only needed on the mill
[11:23:11] <micges> how can you set amperage? some digital input on plasma gen?
[11:23:16] <jthornton> I do get a strange error WARNING **: expected enumeration type GtkEntryIconPosition, but got GtkPositionType instead
[11:23:17] <jthornton> emcTaskInit: using builtin interpreter
[11:23:38] <jthornton> not second line
[11:26:15] <micges> here we have only manual amperage selections available
[11:27:36] <jthornton> me too, but I will pop up or display what the amps should be based on my choice of nozzle
[11:27:45] <jthornton> as a reminder to me
[11:29:53] <micges> ah
[11:31:12] <jthornton> maybe even get tricky and if the nozzle amp has changed pop up a window saying "Set Machine Amps at 40"
[11:32:07] <jthornton> so my idea is to pick the material, the thickness and based on a table pick a nozzle that will work with the material and thickness combination
[11:32:36] <Jymmm> you forgot temp and humidity
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[12:15:52] <ktchk> In the afternoon I test using alt3, alt4 to change speed to 30% 40% and found it very usefall
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[13:15:14] <Tom_itx> jthornton if it notices amps has changed it could automatically adjust it too
[13:15:36] <Tom_itx> test for good working ranges
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[14:31:46] <jthornton> Tom_itx, no it is a dial on my plasma torch
[14:36:16] <Tom_itx> oh ok
[14:36:37] <jthornton> so the wife and I go for a 2 mile walk down the bike hike trail this morning and to my surprise there is another vehicle there with Arkansas tags and a bike rack
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[14:37:39] <jthornton> when we get back the car is gone so they had to take the road back from some point. When the dogooders get back they must have found an empty cookie bag on the ground
[14:38:12] <geo01005> boy pycam is slooooow....
[14:38:55] <jthornton> using both brain cells they assumed I dropped it so without any looking at all (they would seen my trash can between the seats with my trash in it) they decide to show this pig and put the empty trash bag under my wiper
[14:39:37] <jthornton> so no matter where you go there are stupid a@@ h@les
[14:39:52] <jthornton> I did put the trash in my trash can...
[14:39:54] <Tom_itx> how nice of them
[14:41:38] <jthornton> that's almost what I said
[14:42:10] <jthornton> we did have a nice walk in some finally cooler temps...
[14:44:32] <jy76> is it cooling off down there jthornton, Im in ny helping family now but my pad is about 30 min from west plains
[14:46:12] <jthornton> it was 57f last night with a high of 86f for the day but it won't last long
[14:49:22] <jy76> Thats pretty comfy for semo in august, my si s is in malden, I sure do miss it down there stupid a--h---s and all :) (note it may well have to do with the arkansas tags)
[14:50:30] <jy76> thats actually pretty close to what it is here
[14:51:16] <jthornton> I didn't want to say anything about their heritage...
[14:52:01] <jy76> good point I should have gathered just by the inference
[14:52:18] <jthornton> lol
[14:52:27] <jy76> wacha been building?
[14:52:46] <jthornton> a custom gui from scratch
[14:53:00] <jthornton> pretty neat, I'm making a tutorial of it as I go
[14:54:31] <jy76> ahhh cool i just realized my ignorance over this whole tool table and found that it will scroll from axis last nite thus eliminating my bouncing between tool lib and axis much easier
[14:54:52] <jthornton> cool
[14:55:04] <jy76> making a tutorial of gui building? awesome
[14:56:44] <jthornton> yea, using Glade3, Python, GladeVCP, and the LinuxCNC Python Interface
[14:56:56] <jthornton> want a link?
[14:57:27] <jy76> do a bear crap in the woods ? shoot yes
[14:57:31] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/glade/index.html
[14:58:01] <jthornton> sometimes they crap on the porch when they are eating your dog food from the trash can
[14:58:39] <jthornton> then http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/gui-tutorial/index.html
[14:59:32] <jy76> it happens :)
[15:06:56] <Tom_itx> almost daily anymore
[15:08:19] <jy76> nice tutorials john, I want to extend gratitude for your efforts, and the help given me in the forums
[15:08:33] <jthornton> welcome
[15:09:58] <jy76> ive been building stepper mounts, fixtures and a sub plate for my mill, have x,y installed well enough for now and trying to get z going
[15:10:24] <jthornton> cool, got any progress photos?
[15:11:17] <jy76> yes yes i do none recnt mostly of the electronics do we have a place for them?
[15:11:45] <jthornton> here I just use imagebin.com or something like that
[15:12:36] <jy76> not familiar i post them to yahoo groups though I really need to set up a website was that a large undertaking for you?
[15:15:39] <Tom_itx> it's something that grows
[15:17:24] <jthornton> what Tom_itx said you start small and grow
[15:18:53] <jy76> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=search now im familiar the dalton my son and i restored over the winter
[15:19:46] <jthornton> bad link
[15:20:17] <jy76> doh
[15:20:46] <Tom_itx> i host mine on a local pc for free
[15:21:10] <jy76> i cant get better so search jy76 on image bin
[15:22:39] <Tom_itx> http://imagebin.org/224187
[15:22:58] <jy76> The matson started life as a post war edm was converted to a mill and now ive converted to cnc the nice thing is its large, solid and not very worn as an edm has almost no tool pressure
[15:23:44] <jy76> thats it I will get some better ones soon they were all cell phone pics and not the best light
[15:24:09] <jthornton> nice
[15:24:11] <Tom_itx> http://imagebin.org/224188 http://imagebin.org/224185 http://imagebin.org/224190
[15:26:08] <jy76> thanx althouhg it took a year ive only got 800 bucks in the whole thing, oicked the mill up for 350 and the controls for 300 on ebay
[15:27:08] <jy76> I do wish I had painted and reconned before conversion but it will come apart for ballscrews some day
[15:28:55] <jthornton> I wish Tom_itx would write a tutorial on hosting on a local pc
[15:29:02] <Tom_itx> ?
[15:29:16] <Tom_itx> i got it working with the live cd install as well just to see
[15:29:34] <Tom_itx> seems every linux ver varies a bit
[15:29:42] <jthornton> hosting?
[15:29:45] <Tom_itx> yes
[15:29:56] <Tom_itx> my isp blocks port 80 so i have to use 81
[15:30:07] <Tom_itx> it annoys some but it's free
[15:30:19] <jthornton> do you need a dedicated box to host with?
[15:30:27] <Tom_itx> yeah, debian
[15:30:36] <Tom_itx> well not really but mine is
[15:30:54] <Tom_itx> it's minimal traffic so it could multitask
[15:31:20] <jthornton> I have a spare box but don't have a clue where to start
[15:31:26] <Tom_itx> it's not too hard but there are steps you can't miss
[15:31:29] <archivist> jthornton, nothing special about hosting just install apache and get dns to point at your ip
[15:31:55] <Tom_itx> you need to set up a user with a public_html directory
[15:32:03] <Tom_itx> everything below that is visible
[15:32:16] <Tom_itx> then if you have 'executable' stuff it has to have proper rights
[15:32:24] <archivist> this box is hosting :)
[15:32:33] <jthornton> so the public_html directory is like the www directory
[15:32:39] <Tom_itx> yes
[15:32:59] <jthornton> I played with apache before to do some php stuff
[15:33:15] <Tom_itx> then just ssh in to copy stuff
[15:33:28] <Tom_itx> mine has no monitor or kbd :)
[15:33:29] * jthornton thinks it is time for my favorite activity
[15:33:37] <Tom_itx> heh
[15:33:46] <archivist> booze or snooze or both
[15:34:10] <Tom_itx> mine is under /home/username/public_html
[15:34:12] * jthornton hopes to see a step by step tutorial when he wakes up from the nap
[15:34:35] <archivist> all my stuff is in www
[15:34:41] <Tom_itx> yeah
[15:34:50] <Tom_itx> there's a default directory but i don't use it
[15:35:04] <jthornton> var/www?
[15:35:13] <archivist> I do keeps externals from user dir
[15:35:14] <Tom_itx> yes
[15:35:22] <Tom_itx> i don't use that one on mine
[15:36:02] <Tom_itx> that way you can have multiple separate sites
[15:36:15] <archivist> I do have multiple sites!
[15:36:39] <Tom_itx> are they all listed under the /var/www directory?
[15:36:56] <Tom_itx> i'm a fairly noob linux user
[15:36:57] <archivist> just learn apache virtual hosts
[15:37:03] <jthornton> be back in a bit or three
[15:37:44] <archivist> each virtual has its own root directory in www
[15:38:44] <Tom_itx> do you still need the public_html under that?
[15:38:49] <archivist> no
[15:39:00] <Tom_itx> i don't remember why i did it like i did now
[15:39:06] <archivist> I do host my domains dns too
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[15:40:19] <archivist> too lazy to ask the isp for the reverse dns to be set correctly
[15:45:28] <r00t4rd3d> they do that on purpose.
[16:18:52] <r00t4rd3d> i highly doubt you pay for a static ip either
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[16:20:04] <IchGuckLive> hi all around the planet
[16:20:17] <r00t4rd3d> and running web services on home accnts is pretty much never allowed with any isp
[16:20:38] <IchGuckLive> but comon sense
[16:21:01] <IchGuckLive> with dynamic dns ip scratch !
[16:22:02] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, I do pay for a static :)
[16:22:21] <Tom_itx> i don't
[16:22:28] <Tom_itx> i would be up against the same problem with my isp
[16:22:35] <archivist> Im not on a home account either
[16:22:58] <Tom_itx> you can control it better
[16:23:20] <archivist> but I am on a crap adsl line which is scheduled for an upgrade in 2 weeks time
[16:27:37] <IchGuckLive> B) O.O if it is upgradig
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[17:24:33] <IchGuckLive> have a nice suturday whre ever you are
[17:24:41] <IchGuckLive> shooting stars night today !!!
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[17:25:06] <jthornton> do you guys use the Ubuntu Server for your local hosts?
[17:25:09] <awallin> just looking at the cloud forecast... not looking very good..
[17:26:19] <awallin> jthornton: ubuntu desktop at home, but I only occasionally ssh or sftp to the home machine from work. I'm not sure if there are that big differences btw server and desktop?
[17:26:53] <jthornton> ok, thanks
[17:27:06] <pcw_home> I know the default ubuntu server does not install a gui
[17:27:42] <jthornton> that could be interesting until you know all the commands
[17:27:55] <pcw_home> (I have ubuntu 12.04 server for a test machine at work)
[17:28:07] <awallin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq#What.27s_the_difference_between_desktop_and_server.3F
[17:33:18] <awallin> pcw_home: I was thinking about lot's af ADC and DAC for an application. Can mesa fpga-cards talk I2C or some other serial protocol to multiple DACs? I think the audio hifi-people use about 24bit and 96kHz which would probably be OK but I would need 8 channels ADC and 8 channels DAC or so
[17:35:52] <ssi> awallin: the mesa resolver converter uses ADCs, so certainly it's possible
[17:36:19] <awallin> over some simple 2-wire serial interface?
[17:36:36] <ssi> I'm not sure how exactly it communicates with the fpga
[17:37:05] <ssi> but fpgas by definition can do any of these things... just depends what there's firmware written to do
[17:37:24] <awallin> right..
[17:45:29] <pcw_home> SPI is easier and already supported (I2C is to slow if you need 48 KHz sample rate)
[17:46:40] <pcw_home> How fast a sample rate do you really need ? and what resolution?
[17:48:52] <awallin> I don't know yet :) The hifi audio chips seem like a good option, so that would be 24-bits. I don't know if they need to be clocked at 96kHz or 192kHz (they are built for that) or if they can run slower
[17:49:41] <pcw_home> Those are AC coupled, is that OK?
[17:50:43] <awallin> oh... yikes, hadn't thought about that :)
[17:51:19] <pcw_home> They also typically have unstable gain characteristics (but ears cannot tell a .1 DB change)
[17:51:40] <awallin> well my plans are all very preliminary but it's good to know that there is SPI
[17:51:56] <awallin> I guess on the linuxcnc driver side there is support for SPI also?
[17:53:02] <pcw_home> Yes
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[17:56:20] <pcw_home> For slow stuff (servo thread update rate) you could use our 7I65 or sserial Analog I/O
[17:56:22] <pcw_home> (7I83 7I87)
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[17:58:23] <pcw_home> Analog devices also has some nice 8 channel 16 bit ADCs with +-10V in and ~20 KHz bandwidth
[17:58:42] <pcw_home> (these are pretty new SPI devices)
[17:59:12] <pcw_home> simple single 3.3V supply as well
[17:59:41] <awallin> I think I'll need 16 bits minimum.. but this is probably way in the future so we'll see
[18:00:08] <pcw_home> AD has a 18 bit version as well
[18:02:48] <pcw_home> bbl, got to tackle the weeds down the hill the the sheep wont eat...
[18:02:52] <Tom_itx> jthornton, no you don't need the server
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[18:29:23] * JT-Shop starts pulling useless crap from the BP drive panel
[18:30:37] <archivist> conversion time?
[18:32:41] <JT-Shop> yea, I think it is time
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[18:47:15] <pcw_home> Well crap where do you get small (1/8 ID? fuel line on saturday
[18:48:28] <JT-Shop> hobby shop
[18:48:54] <JT-Shop> RC hobby shop
[18:49:35] <pcw_home> Ahh didn't think of that: Brush cutter fuel line leak just when I need it
[18:50:39] <pcw_home> Thanks there should be one close by
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[19:15:09] <skunkworks__> JT-Shop: are you which bp are you converting?
[19:16:44] <archivist> I didnt think his manual BP had a drive panel :)
[19:17:30] <archivist> but then I may have lost count of BPs he has
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[19:26:22] <JT-Shop> skunkworks__, it's my Series 1 knee mill that came with an Anilam 1100m 3 axis CNC converstion on it
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[19:26:44] <JT-Shop> I have a manual Enco knee mill
[19:27:06] <skunkworks__> ah - I was thinking you started the other one
[19:27:12] <JT-Shop> so the only other BP is the Discovery 308 VMC
[19:27:51] <JT-Shop> no, it still works... well this does too but awkward to use
[19:31:47] <ssi> https://p.twimg.com/A0Cnl2XCAAAhJdK.jpg:large
[19:31:59] <ssi> 3d printed encoder adapter for keling nema 23s
[19:32:09] <ssi> for the AMT102 encoder
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[19:33:16] <skunkworks__> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/spindle/Spindlemotorenc.JPG
[19:34:08] <skunkworks__> ssi: neet
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[19:34:24] <skunkworks__> ssi: you have a 3d printer?
[19:35:51] <Loetmichel> looks like a reprap or similar
[19:35:55] <Loetmichel> the print
[19:36:12] <ssi> yea a couple of them
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[19:39:00] <JT-Shop> skunkworks__, new spindle encoder?
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[19:41:25] <skunkworks__> it has been on a while. it is what does the checking rpm for gear shifting and lock.
[19:41:42] <skunkworks__> I like the amt encoders for things like that
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[19:43:26] <JT-Shop> ah cool
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[19:55:19] <jp_> ssi: how do you find the amt encoders?
[19:55:35] <ssi> I haven't used them yet
[19:55:45] <Jymmm> who/what industry/application typically uses SS shim stock?
[19:55:48] <jp_> oh oh
[19:56:07] <ssi> I've had two of them for a long time, and I'm just now getting around to figuring out how to mount them
[19:56:37] <jp_> I had no luck with the 303's
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[19:59:24] <ssi> what kind of problems?
[19:59:59] <jp_> the output was all over the place
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[20:00:11] <jp_> missed counts
[20:00:19] <jp_> no counts
[20:00:24] <ssi> interesting
[20:00:29] <jp_> that kind of stuff
[20:00:31] <ssi> my primary need for them is a homing index
[20:00:41] <ssi> I'd prefer they work well so I can play with closed loop stepper systems,
[20:00:47] <ssi> but mostly I want the index for homing
[20:01:02] <jp_> Some one else here has used them as well i just forget who andypugh knows
[20:01:43] <awallin> jon elson was posting on the list saying there were some problems?
[20:02:00] <awallin> they are capacitive in contrast to the 'normal' (us digital etc) that are optical
[20:02:37] <jp_> Thats it
[20:02:40] <archivist> and a delay of its number iirc
[20:03:11] <ssi> all of the amt ones?
[20:03:13] <ssi> or just the 303s you used
[20:03:30] <jp_> They work fine on the demo board. but once i hooked them up to my mesa hardware they were all over the place
[20:03:34] <ssi> looks like the 102 is capacitive too
[20:03:42] <jp_> yes they are
[20:04:08] <jp_> the 303's are programmable versions of the 102's i think
[20:04:43] <ssi> did you have them wired directly to the mesa, or through a schmidt trigger or something?
[20:04:46] <jp_> they also had programmable hall tracks as well that could of been handy for servos
[20:04:56] <jp_> direct
[20:05:11] <ssi> I'll likely take them through a schmidt trigger, fwiw
[20:05:12] <ssi> might help
[20:05:22] <ssi> and have the buffers right in the stepper covers
[20:05:29] <ssi> that way I'm just moving TTL over long wires
[20:05:34] <ssi> might help quite a lot
[20:06:25] <jp_> they are supposed to have a line driver version but i haven spent any more time with them
[20:09:59] <archivist> jon elson email about amt was sent on Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:21:41 -0600
[20:16:17] <archivist> crappy sourceforge interface to find a message! http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28533434
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[21:18:17] <skunkworks__> I have not had problems with missed/no counts.
[21:18:36] <skunkworks__> It has worked just great for the spindle motor feedback.
[21:19:28] <skunkworks__> I have a line driver hooked in series thought.. (amt brand - they are like 6 dollars from digikey
[21:19:44] <skunkworks__> that is what you see plugged into the amt encoder
[21:21:33] <skunkworks__> according to the specs and jonE - they do have lag during accelleration.. but you don't lose anything
[21:21:53] <skunkworks__> I have not tried to close a servo loop with them
[21:22:39] <skunkworks__> well - I did - but only a servo on the bench. So not real world
[21:23:02] <andypugh> Oh, hi chaps. I wasn't here.
[21:23:39] <andypugh> jp_: It's WillenCMD who likes the closed-loop steppers.
[21:24:03] <jp_> thanks andy
[21:24:30] <andypugh> I am feeling a bit second-hand after crashing my bike yesterday.
[21:24:40] <skunkworks__> ouch - are you ok?
[21:24:48] <jp_> owch
[21:24:51] <andypugh> I will be OK, I think.
[21:26:49] <andypugh> Just have two bruised hands, one of which is also grazed because my glove came off, bruising around my back and one hip, and the general stifness you might expect from being flipped over the high side at about 60mph.
[21:27:33] <skunkworks__> ouch again
[21:27:38] <andypugh> It's all my own fault, I really should have known not to try to stick with someone I know is a multiple national champion at a track-day on my road bike :-/
[21:27:51] <skunkworks__> oops
[21:28:02] <skunkworks__> bike came around?
[21:28:39] <andypugh> Yes, two hard and early on the power, the back came round, then snapped back into line, and threw me off.
[21:29:25] <skunkworks__> take it easy - but not too easy
[21:29:49] <Tom_itx> bones hurt?
[21:30:08] <andypugh> I think I pushed my hands down between the levers and the bars as I went over the front. Which kind of explains why one glove was way back at the site of the crash, and me and the bike were 100yards or so further.
[21:33:29] <andypugh> The bike came off very lightly, all in all, and I will heal. It's been coming for a few years this has.
[21:33:43] <andypugh> You can only spot the edge from the wrong side, after all.
[21:34:38] <cradek> andypugh: glad you're in approximately one piece. jeez.
[21:35:11] <ssi> I'm still recovering from my bike wreck 5 years ago
[21:35:13] <ssi> do be careful :)
[21:36:32] <andypugh> In the track the only thing to hit is the floor. I was just unlucky to hit it from quite high up.
[21:37:11] <ssi> ah good... track riding is about as safe as it gets I suppose :)
[21:37:29] <ssi> in fact, my wreck on a track would have been disappointing, but not life threatening
[21:37:36] <ssi> on the street, I hit a damn guard rail with my torso :(
[21:39:49] <andypugh> Eek, that's not good at all.
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[21:40:13] <ssi> no, not good
[21:40:19] <ssi> but I actually fared way better than you might expect
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[21:41:59] <andypugh> Well, yes, you are here typing, which is better than I would expect.
[21:42:17] <ssi> yeah
[21:42:26] <ssi> I broke four ribs and my shoulderblade, all on my right side
[21:42:34] <ssi> it still gives me pain, but it's tolerable
[21:42:41] <ssi> the real problem was that I got gangrene after the fact
[21:42:45] <ssi> and then had to have a bunch of surgery for that
[21:42:50] <ssi> and then got MRSA in the hospital
[21:43:47] <andypugh> Yeah, I am holding off going to the hospital..
[21:44:34] <Tom_itx> andypugh you should be more careful. we need you around here
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[21:56:13] <pcw_home> Wow sorry to hear you got in a motorcycle accident Andy. I rode motorcycles for many years but had my worst accident on a bicycle.
[22:04:59] <andypugh> I am not sure I would call this as "accident" as such. :-)
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[22:16:35] <Jymmm> andypugh: the back end slipped out from under you and you tried to compensate, or ???
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[22:17:33] <archivist> you dont get chance to compensate
[22:17:44] <Jymmm> Maybe not in your case, but gotta love asphalt pizza.... NOT!
[22:18:09] <Jymmm> archivist: I dont know what hapened specifically
[22:18:21] <jp_> https://picasaweb.google.com/103502607515689372041/LinuxcncStuff#5775543138858686274
[22:18:29] <Jymmm> if it's sand, soft shoulder, or whatnot.
[22:18:54] <Jymmm> jp_: whats that?
[22:19:05] <jp_> hopefully a 3d printer
[22:19:06] <Jymmm> 4 axis router?
[22:19:09] <Jymmm> oh
[22:19:46] <andypugh> I was leaning over more than I thought, and gave it more power than was appropriate. This is a reasonably good example of what a High-side looks like, and mine was probably quite similar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qi2sq94aKA&feature=fvwrel
[22:21:11] <archivist> my fastest "off" , I forgot about a bend and went for a tumble about 30 mph on a grass verge, got back on and carried on to destination
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[22:26:07] <andypugh> If I get disconnected again, I will quit.
[22:26:35] <jdh_> heh
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[22:27:10] * archivist wonders what is aram rambling about on the list
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[22:47:08] <pfred1> I have youtube running accelerated without smurf vision!
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