#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-29

[00:04:12] <andypugh> Guest35689: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Parallel_Port_Tester
[00:04:16] <Guest35689> No errors. I'm using a fresh LiveCD install, parallel port (PCI SIIG) using 0xdcd8.
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[00:05:03] <andypugh> But, that aside, how are you connecting the DVM?
[00:07:25] <Guest35689> I've tried but willing to give it another try. This is what I have at this point: used stepconf wiz to set up a basic Sherline. Pin1 is 0V. Load LinuxCNC. Pin1 goes to 5V. Estop can be pressed to change pin1 to 0 or 5V no problem. Pin 2 also goes from 0 to 5 but when estop is pressed. No big deal I think but the forward and reverse jog do nothing with estop out and power on.
[00:08:30] <andypugh> So, you can see inputs changing? That's a good sign.
[00:09:18] <andypugh> This is a bare parport, or do you have a break-out connected?
[00:09:31] <Guest35689> I rang out the cable (its good) 25 pin D connector to 25 conductor flat cable to a breadboard. Reading the voltage from the breadboard. I've tried pull up (to 5) and pull down. Nothing I have done is producing the voltage expected at the xdir, ydir etc. pins.
[00:09:56] <Tom_itx> breadboards are flakey at best
[00:10:11] <Guest35689> hal meter and scope show the pins responding (on the screen) but nothing is getting to the physical pins
[00:10:18] <andypugh> Is parport.0.write added to the base thread?
[00:10:48] <andypugh> If you only have read, then inputs will work, but not outputs
[00:11:31] <Guest35689> from my-mill.hal: addf parport.0.read base-thread
[00:11:31] <Guest35689> addf stepgen.make-pulses base-thread
[00:11:31] <Guest35689> addf pwmgen.make-pulses base-thread
[00:11:32] <Guest35689> addf parport.0.write base-thread
[00:12:00] <andypugh> That looks fine
[00:12:08] <Guest35689> I think I have read and write correct
[00:12:37] <Guest35689> I thought it was but appreciate the confirmation
[00:13:35] <andypugh> When you checked the cable, did you just check continuity or also for a slipped cable? (I did that once, every pin on the Mesa card was shorted to 0v)
[00:13:39] <Guest35689> I'm new to XChat but I would be happy to send the .hal file and sudo dmesg -c dumps if that would help
[00:14:01] <andypugh> put them on www.pastebin.com
[00:14:23] <Guest35689> give me a second, i haven't used that yet
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[00:16:31] <Guest35689> I just "posted" (I guess) my-mill.hal
[00:16:58] <andypugh> You need to give us the URL
[00:17:14] <Guest35689> http://pastebin.com/AExiUzDp
[00:17:44] <andypugh> (I found some interesting pastes, but not yours)
[00:18:37] <andypugh> Which pin are you setp-ing?
[00:18:53] <Guest35689> pin1
[00:19:31] <Guest35689> and tried 2-7 separately. hal meter recognizes the change but the pins dont
[00:19:42] <andypugh> That is netted to estop-out, so I wouldn't expect setp to work
[00:20:41] <andypugh> But that is a detail,
[00:20:49] <Guest35689> I spent three weeks in linuxcnc and got nowhere so I have been using the terminal window - halrun
[00:21:27] <andypugh> I admire your patience.
[00:21:35] <andypugh> Halrun is a good tool.
[00:21:47] <Guest35689> I thought my ignorance of the details of linuxcnc were hindering me so I took my frustration out on the terminal
[00:22:21] <Guest35689> Thank you. I have my cnc built, motors working with the home brew driver boards.
[00:22:32] <Guest35689> I can run it manually but that's not much fun
[00:22:38] <andypugh> So, what are you doing in the terminal? halrun / source somefile.hal ?
[00:22:46] <Tom_itx> which sherline do you have?
[00:23:02] <Tom_itx> i just updated mine from my old control to a mesa card setup
[00:23:52] <Tom_itx> andy the opening was cool i thought
[00:23:59] <andypugh> Guest35689: I assume you are loading threads/motion and doing addf with parport read/write. But are you starting the threads?
[00:24:02] <Guest35689> I don't have a sherline control, I home brewed the drivers borrowing heavily from Tom Mcguires page (pardon the spelling tom
[00:24:41] <Guest35689> No I don't believe I'm loading threads/motion unless I am and don't know it
[00:25:16] <andypugh> Can you describe the sequence of things you are doing?
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[00:27:01] <Guest35689> Yes. Initially I ran stepconf wizard selecting other for driver, selecting the sherline config (three or four screens into the wiz). Run it, estop (pin1) responds as expected. Nothing else,
[00:27:48] <andypugh> So, starting linuxcnc from the GUI or the command-line?
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[00:28:30] <Guest35689> did a fresh LiveCD install. Opened terminal, entered lspci -vv to determine the address of the parport (0xdcd8). typed loadrt hal_parport cfg=0xdcd8. hit enter.
[00:29:01] <Guest35689> typed setp parport.0.pin-01-out 1 and hit enter
[00:29:22] <Guest35689> typed show pin (in the halcmd prompt)
[00:29:53] <Guest35689> pin1 was high (on the screen) no dvm change though
[00:30:19] <Guest35689> typed setp... to set 01-out to 0 and hit enter
[00:30:54] <Guest35689> show pin indicated pin 1 was low, again no change to the actual voltage output.
[00:31:56] <andypugh> halrun?
[00:32:04] <Guest35689> I saw that someone out there had abandoned the my-mill.hal file completely and is running in custom.hal
[00:32:15] <Guest35689> yes, sorry halrun
[00:32:44] <andypugh> OK, try : loadrt threads
[00:32:56] <andypugh> add parport.0.read thread1
[00:33:05] <andypugh> add parport.0.write thread1
[00:33:09] <andypugh> start
[00:33:50] <andypugh> (sorry, addf, not add there)
[00:33:59] <Guest35689> okay closing some window, on sec.
[00:34:29] <Tom_itx> andypugh how long have you been messin with linuxcnc?
[00:34:31] <andypugh> My own HAL files are generally completly hand-written.
[00:34:45] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Oh, I don't know, a few months?
[00:34:51] <Tom_itx> that's it?
[00:35:08] <andypugh> It seems like that, it is probably a few years.
[00:35:25] <Tom_itx> yeah time flies when you're havin fun
[00:35:35] <andypugh> How long have you been here?
[00:36:09] <Tom_itx> i was interested in it back in it's infancy but just recently started using it
[00:36:19] <Tom_itx> long before it was emc2
[00:36:33] <andypugh> I have been on IRC pretty much from the beginning, as I came here through the javascript and cradek explained to me that my problem was SMI.
[00:36:35] <Tom_itx> my sherline conversion was the first useage
[00:36:59] <Guest35689> addf parport.0.read thread1 gave the following error: HAL: ERROR: function 'parport.0.read' not found
[00:37:02] <Tom_itx> i started irc on chatjunkies back before 2000
[00:37:15] <Tom_itx> somehow landed on freenode
[00:37:24] <andypugh> Guest35689: That's interesting.
[00:37:27] <Tom_itx> oh, chatjunkies folded so we moved
[00:37:37] <Tom_itx> spelling?
[00:37:48] <Tom_itx> maybe a bad install?
[00:37:54] <andypugh> Guest35689: You have loadrt-ed parport in the current window?
[00:38:19] <Guest35689> typed halrun - enter
[00:38:20] <andypugh> (what I suggested was in addition to what you had already done)
[00:38:30] <Guest35689> typed loadrt threads - enter
[00:38:55] <andypugh> OK, you need all the other stuff you already showed above
[00:39:08] <Guest35689> typed addf parport.0.read thread1
[00:39:43] <andypugh> You can't addf the parport without loadrt-ing it
[00:39:47] <Guest35689> got it. I'll restart from a fresh term
[00:41:51] <andypugh> useful things: show pin / show funct / show thread
[00:42:02] <Guest35689> so I need to loadrt threads or thread1 or both
[00:43:58] <andypugh> (Sorry, debugging. When I halcmd start at the moment, the machine crashes hard. So it is hard to check stuff)
[00:44:08] <andypugh> try loadrt htreads
[00:44:12] <Guest35689> show pin and funct showed nothing show thread shows
[00:44:12] <andypugh> then show thread
[00:46:28] <Tom_itx> you don't need to load it in base thread?
[00:46:36] <Guest35689> show thread produced: Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
[00:46:37] <Guest35689> 999994 YES thread1 ( 0, 0 )
[00:47:02] <Guest35689> LOL - that's something at least.
[00:47:22] <andypugh> loadrt threads by default creates a single floating point thread
[00:48:11] <andypugh> So now loadrt hal_parport {some optins go here}
[00:49:42] <Tom_itx> so loadrt loads the driver and addf adds the functions to a thread?
[00:49:58] <Guest35689> alright - typed loadrt hal_parport cfg=0xdcd8 and hit enter...
[00:50:12] <Guest35689> no errors yet
[00:50:25] <Guest35689> not that I'm trying
[00:50:47] <andypugh> By the way, halrun is very good at tab-completion. you can actually type "add(tab)(space)p(tab)r(tab)(space)(tab)" and "get addf parport.0.read thread1"
[00:51:56] <andypugh> if you type "show funct" you will now see the parport, and "show pin" will show the pins
[00:52:07] <Guest35689> i did stumble across the tab trick.
[00:52:08] <djdelorie> quick question: in general, better to have position/rpm/torque PID loops, or jut position/torque ?
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[00:53:02] <Guest35689> YES! - halcmd: show funct
[00:53:02] <Guest35689> Exported Functions:
[00:53:02] <Guest35689> Owner CodeAddr Arg FP Users Name
[00:53:02] <Guest35689> 00005 fa41a000 fa3990c0 NO 0 parport.0.read
[00:53:02] <Guest35689> 00005 fa41a219 fa3990c0 NO 0 parport.0.reset
[00:53:03] <Guest35689> 00005 fa41a2fa fa3990c0 NO 0 parport.0.write
[00:53:05] <Guest35689> 00005 fa41a0ac fa3990c0 NO 0 parport.read-all
[00:53:09] <Guest35689> 00005 fa41a488 fa3990c0 NO 0 parport.write-all
[00:53:51] <andypugh> djdelorie: Not a very general answer, I don't think.
[00:54:25] <djdelorie> well, I got the torque loop written, I'm trying to decide which way to go next
[00:54:32] <Guest35689> shoot. I dropped out of my hal window and lost it. Give me a sec.
[00:54:45] <andypugh> Guest35689: Now addf the read and write functions to thread1
[00:55:14] <djdelorie> although, it's amusing watching it work - the power supply can't actually maintain the test current, so once the motor is spinning it falls off anyway.
[00:55:21] <djdelorie> obviously, it will need to be re-tuned once it's in the real machine
[00:55:36] <andypugh> Guest35689: "save" will save the config to file, and then you can "source" it next time.
[00:56:40] <andypugh> djdelorie: I think a lot of people work with a simgle position/current loop.
[00:56:55] * djdelorie wonders what's inside the mesa loops...
[00:57:51] <andypugh> I don't know if there is any value in nesting more loops than you have feedback devices. So if you have a torque-mode drive and position encoders then I don't think that a velocity loop adds much if the velocity is from the same encoders.
[00:58:16] <Guest35689> Okay, I'm not sure if this is "okay" to post this much but here goes:
[00:58:23] <Guest35689> halcmd: show funct
[00:58:24] <Guest35689> Exported Functions:
[00:58:24] <Guest35689> Owner CodeAddr Arg FP Users Name
[00:58:24] <Guest35689> 00005 fab46000 faae50c0 NO 0 parport.0.read
[00:58:24] <Guest35689> 00005 fab46219 faae50c0 NO 0 parport.0.reset
[00:58:24] <Guest35689> 00005 fab462fa faae50c0 NO 0 parport.0.write
[00:58:26] <Guest35689> 00005 fab460ac faae50c0 NO 0 parport.read-all
[00:58:28] <Guest35689> 00005 fab46488 faae50c0 NO 0 parport.write-all
[00:58:30] <Guest35689> halcmd: show pin
[00:58:32] <Guest35689> Component Pins:
[00:58:34] <Guest35689> Owner Type Dir Value Name
[00:58:38] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-01-out
[00:58:40] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-02-out
[00:58:42] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-03-out
[00:58:44] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-04-out
[00:58:46] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-05-out
[00:58:48] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-06-out
[00:58:50] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-07-out
[00:58:52] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-08-out
[00:58:54] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-09-out
[00:58:56] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-10-in
[00:58:58] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-10-in-not
[00:59:00] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-11-in
[00:59:02] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-11-in-not
[00:59:04] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-12-in
[00:59:05] <andypugh> I think that the pin list was a bit much
[00:59:08] <djdelorie> I was just thinking "one loop per derivative" made more sense
[00:59:08] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-12-in-not
[00:59:10] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-13-in
[00:59:13] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-13-in-not
[00:59:14] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-14-out
[00:59:16] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-15-in
[00:59:18] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-15-in-not
[00:59:20] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-16-out
[00:59:22] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-17-out
[00:59:40] <andypugh> djdelorie: Don't mistake me for someone knowledgable on control theory.
[01:00:01] <djdelorie> at this point, I don't think anyone's knowledgable. Just experienced :-)
[01:00:35] <Guest35689> Got excited. I feel like I am making some progress instead going over the same old ground
[01:01:59] <andypugh> Guest35689: So, you now have pins, and functions that will read and write them. "show thread" will probably show you an empty thread with 0 execution time?
[01:02:01] <Guest35689> So, this is the critical point now - getting the info on the screen to actually become useful signals
[01:02:51] <Guest35689> This is what I get:
[01:02:53] <Guest35689> michael@michael-dell:~$ halrun
[01:02:53] <Guest35689> Realtime already running. Use 'halrun -U' to stop existing realtime session.
[01:02:53] <Guest35689> michael@michael-dell:~$ halrun -U
[01:02:53] <Guest35689> michael@michael-dell:~$ halrun
[01:02:53] <Guest35689> halcmd: loadrt threads
[01:02:54] <Guest35689> halcmd: show thread
[01:02:56] <Guest35689> Realtime Threads:
[01:02:58] <Guest35689> Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
[01:03:00] <Guest35689> 999994 YES thread1 ( 0, 0 )
[01:03:02] <Guest35689> halcmd: loadrt hal_parport cfg=0xdcd8
[01:03:04] <Guest35689> halcmd: show funct
[01:03:08] <Guest35689> Exported Functions:
[01:03:10] <Guest35689> Owner CodeAddr Arg FP Users Name
[01:03:13] <Guest35689> 00005 fab46000 faae50c0 NO 0 parport.0.read
[01:03:14] <Guest35689> 00005 fab46219 faae50c0 NO 0 parport.0.reset
[01:03:16] <Guest35689> 00005 fab462fa faae50c0 NO 0 parport.0.write
[01:03:18] <Guest35689> 00005 fab460ac faae50c0 NO 0 parport.read-all
[01:03:20] <Guest35689> 00005 fab46488 faae50c0 NO 0 parport.write-all
[01:03:22] <Guest35689> halcmd: show pin
[01:03:24] <Guest35689> Component Pins:
[01:03:26] <Guest35689> Owner Type Dir Value Name
[01:03:28] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-01-out
[01:03:30] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-02-out
[01:03:32] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-03-out
[01:03:32] <andypugh> Enough already!
[01:03:34] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-04-out
[01:03:38] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-05-out
[01:03:40] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-06-out
[01:03:42] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-07-out
[01:03:44] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-08-out
[01:03:46] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-09-out
[01:03:48] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-10-in
[01:03:50] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-10-in-not
[01:03:52] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-11-in
[01:03:54] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-11-in-not
[01:03:56] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-12-in
[01:03:58] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-12-in-not
[01:04:00] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-13-in
[01:04:02] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-13-in-not
[01:04:04] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-14-out
[01:04:08] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-15-in
[01:04:10] <Guest35689> 5 bit OUT FALSE parport.0.pin-15-in-not
[01:04:12] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-16-out
[01:04:14] <Guest35689> 5 bit IN FALSE parport.0.pin-17-out
[01:04:16] <Guest35689> shoot sorry
[01:04:18] <Guest35689> halcmd: show thread
[01:04:20] <Guest35689> Realtime Threads:
[01:04:22] <Guest35689> Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
[01:04:24] <Guest35689> 999994 YES thread1 ( 0, 0 )
[01:04:26] <Guest35689> I know, I'm sorry I didn't hit copy and pasted the prev. data
[01:04:56] <andypugh> Now addf parport.0.read and parport.0.write to the thread1 thread
[01:05:20] <Guest35689> BTW, I'm copying this info to gedit so I have a record to refer to, hence the error
[01:05:50] <andypugh> Then when you "show thread" you will see them listed.
[01:06:12] <andypugh> Guest35689: It's all logged too:
[01:06:13] <Guest35689> just by typing addf parport.0.read ?
[01:06:15] <andypugh> logger[mah]:
[01:06:16] <logger[mah]> andypugh: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2012-07-29.html
[01:06:27] <Guest35689> awesome. thank you
[01:06:31] <andypugh> addf parport.0.read thread1
[01:07:20] <Guest35689> dangit! I dropped out of hal again, sorry a couple of secs needed
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[01:10:18] <Guest35689> addf'ed them both
[01:11:26] <Guest35689> A little perplexed, these already appeared when I typed show funct?
[01:11:28] <andypugh> so, now show thread should show them
[01:11:49] <Guest35689> got it, thread not funct (i think)
[01:11:59] <andypugh> the functs exist as soon as you loadrt them, but nothing actually polls them until they are added to a thread
[01:12:32] <Guest35689> I'm not going to pretend to understand but I am following you
[01:12:39] <Guest35689> halcmd: show thread
[01:12:39] <Guest35689> Realtime Threads:
[01:12:40] <Guest35689> Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
[01:12:40] <Guest35689> 999994 YES thread1 ( 0, 0 )
[01:12:40] <Guest35689> 1 parport.0.read
[01:12:40] <Guest35689> 2 parport.0.write
[01:13:11] <andypugh> "show funct" is all the stuff that could be running in the realtime threads. "show thread" is the stuff that actually is running
[01:13:35] <andypugh> You will, however, notice that your threa time is zero?
[01:13:37] <Guest35689> You need to write the manual
[01:13:50] <Guest35689> yes it is 0
[01:14:07] <andypugh> That is because the thread isn't running
[01:14:24] <andypugh> now type "start" and show thread afgain
[01:14:32] <Guest35689> start
[01:14:37] <Guest35689> wrong window...
[01:14:49] <andypugh> :-)
[01:15:00] <r00t4rd3d> who can tell me what this is:
[01:15:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/4VUf9.jpg
[01:15:38] <Guest35689> Okay- halcmd: start
[01:15:38] <Guest35689> halcmd: show thread
[01:15:38] <Guest35689> Realtime Threads:
[01:15:38] <Guest35689> Period FP Name ( Time, Max-Time )
[01:15:38] <Guest35689> 999994 YES thread1 ( 9310, 28686 )
[01:15:39] <Guest35689> 1 parport.0.read
[01:15:41] <Guest35689> 2 parport.0.write
[01:15:59] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: microwaved polystyrene?
[01:16:34] <r00t4rd3d> nope. Hash.
[01:16:35] <andypugh> Guest35689: _Now_ setp parport.0.pin-02-out ought to do what you expect
[01:17:18] <Guest35689> setp parport.0.pin-02-out 1
[01:17:31] <andypugh> DVM says?
[01:17:38] <Guest35689> Hmmm nothing changed... LOL
[01:18:11] <andypugh> 0 the same?
[01:18:49] <Guest35689> yes. Nothing is changing
[01:19:03] <Guest35689> 0 for both:
[01:19:08] <Guest35689> halcmd: setp parport.0.pin-02-out 1
[01:19:08] <Guest35689> halcmd: setp parport.0.pin-02-out 0
[01:19:43] <Guest35689> I said nothing changed because I again typed in the wrong window
[01:19:50] <andypugh> can you show pin , then change an input, then show pin again (we don't need to see it, just tell us the result)
[01:20:21] <Guest35689> but seriously, I the halcmd window, neither 0 or 1 changed it from 0V
[01:20:32] <Guest35689> sure
[01:23:46] <andypugh> another useful halcmd command: loadusr halmeter
[01:23:48] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d, i think you are doing it wrong
[01:24:07] <r00t4rd3d> whats that?
[01:24:12] <ReadError> hash
[01:25:03] <r00t4rd3d> you thinked wrong
[01:25:43] <ReadError> exterior seems like a bubble hash
[01:25:49] <ReadError> why is the interior all gooey
[01:26:00] <r00t4rd3d> bho or something, i didnt make it
[01:26:03] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExtracts/
[01:26:14] <ReadError> why would someone put bho inside a ball of buuble ?
[01:26:22] <r00t4rd3d> handling
[01:26:33] <r00t4rd3d> reddit karma
[01:26:44] <r00t4rd3d> etc
[01:27:42] <r00t4rd3d> toss that in a bowl and you could shut down the whole party
[01:27:44] <Guest35689> okay show pin reflected the setp "command" 1 - TRUE and 0 FALSE, but no change on the dvm
[01:29:38] <andypugh> Either the parport base address is wrong, or the DVM is hooked upp wrong. I don't see many other options.
[01:30:08] <andypugh> Any life from the inputs? You had those working?
[01:31:26] <Guest35689> ok, the dvm is show a 9v batt at 9+V so I'm okay there
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[01:32:46] <Guest35689> any thoughts on ferreting out the address. No I haven't even looked at the inputs (thinking that was for later down the road)
[01:33:35] <andypugh> I thought you said that the e-stop button worked?
[01:33:48] <andypugh> I assumed that was a hardware button?
[01:35:37] <Guest35689> I'm sorry, the estop I was referring to was the gui button in axis
[01:35:39] <andypugh> Anyway, the way I like to find the parport address is "cat /proc/ioports" and look for parport0
[01:36:26] <andypugh> The GUI button is more of a "Polite Stop"
[01:36:57] <Nick001> will that find multiple parports?
[01:37:06] <andypugh> I assume so
[01:37:37] <Guest35689> I only have one. From cat - d000-dfff : PCI Bus 0000:04
[01:37:37] <Guest35689> dcd4-dcd7 : 0000:04:00.0
[01:37:37] <Guest35689> dcd4-dcd6 : parport0
[01:37:38] <Guest35689> dcd8-dcdf : 0000:04:00.0
[01:37:38] <Guest35689> dcd8-dcda : parport0
[01:37:38] <Guest35689> dcdb-dcdf : parport0
[01:37:40] <Guest35689> dce0-dcff : 0000:04:00.0
[01:37:46] <Nick001> I'll have to try an find out - I do lspci -vv now
[01:38:15] <andypugh> Yes, I am not sure that proc/ioports sees PCI parports
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[01:39:43] <Guest35689> It does show two if there are two. I've tried the ob port as well as the SIIG I am using now and previously I used a StartTech. I don't sound too desperate do I?
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[01:41:59] <Nick001> is there a sample working ini and hal file for etch-servo?
[01:43:29] <andypugh> I rather thought that example _was_ a working config
[01:44:03] <Nick001> dont think it has the ini with the PID info
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[01:44:40] <andypugh> This is becoming irritating
[01:45:12] <Nick001> bet it is
[01:45:19] <Nick001> dont think it has the ini with the PID info
[01:45:53] <Tom_itx> Jymmm
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[01:47:00] <Tom_itx> bad connection?
[01:47:16] <ReadError> dont ddos me bro
[01:47:43] <andypugh> I don't know what the problem is. It's a recent development.
[01:48:27] <andypugh> I have a cable connection, so my connection ought to be as good as it gets.
[01:48:53] <Tom_itx> me too but my router has been giving me grief for some time now
[01:49:08] <Tom_itx> we also get squirrels chewing on the cable line alot
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[01:52:18] <Guest35689> Hi Andy - I don't know if you caught my response to the cat request: d000-dfff : PCI Bus 0000:04
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[01:52:18] <Guest35689> dcd4-dcd7 : 0000:04:00.0
[01:52:18] <Guest35689> dcd4-dcd6 : parport0
[01:52:18] <Guest35689> dcd8-dcdf : 0000:04:00.0
[01:52:18] <Guest35689> dcd8-dcda : parport0
[01:52:19] <Guest35689> dcdb-dcdf : parport0
[01:52:21] <Guest35689> dce0-dcff : 0000:04:00.0
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[01:52:28] <andypugh> speedtest.net says I have 20Mb down and 2Mb up, so the connection looks OK
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[01:53:34] <Tom_itx> try another freenode server
[01:53:56] <Tom_itx> probably not the problem though
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[01:56:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx:
[01:56:35] <andypugh> I am going to try sleeping instead
[01:56:40] <andypugh> Night alll
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[02:02:01] <Guest35689> Thank you for the help
[02:02:44] <Jymmm> Guest35689: In the future, use a pastebin if more than three lines
[02:03:00] <Jymmm> instead of flooding the channel
[02:03:54] <Guest35689> Thank you. I'm new to this.
[02:04:09] <Tom_itx> i know, that's one reason i didn't mention it
[02:04:13] <Jymmm> Guest35689: https://codepad.org is one.
[02:05:32] <Guest35689> just run it a plain text, then post the url?
[02:06:03] <Guest35689> should have been "run it as plain text"
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[02:23:31] <Guest35689> exit
[02:29:23] <Tom_itx> Guest35689 register a nick and you won't get stuck with guest(random number)
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[03:14:08] <Jymmm> Is there some kind of manual way to form a 1/4" bend in a round disc without notching nor fold-overs?
[03:14:17] <Jymmm> 90 deg bend
[03:14:26] <Jymmm> 1/8" might work too
[03:21:33] <Tom_itx> roll form maybe?
[03:24:47] <Tom_itx> generally if you don't want notching you need to hold the piece and stamp it
[03:25:05] <Tom_itx> then trim the excess off
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[04:04:30] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I forgot about the trimming part.
[04:05:05] <Jymmm> maybe I can live with a little fold over =)
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[06:51:11] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:58:18] <zunnoorain> hello
[08:58:24] <zunnoorain> every one
[08:59:02] <zunnoorain> hi
[08:59:09] <archivist> allo
[08:59:11] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:59:22] <archivist> in irc just ask the real question :)
[08:59:24] <zunnoorain> morning
[08:59:33] <zunnoorain> ok sory i m new
[09:00:29] <zunnoorain> i need to know can we use delcam,edgecam, or power shape etc to program CNC?
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[09:01:49] <zunnoorain> helo?????? am i connected? and am i talking to a real person or to a computer?
[09:02:01] <archivist> we are bots
[09:02:05] * Loetmichel was just on the road buying breakfeast... Fact: the spontaneous purchase i made yesterday has to get some attention: the speedo doesent work, the battery wont get charged, one side plate is gone and the air intake box sounds like empty... bur otherwise: i dont regret buying this toy... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13465
[09:02:38] <zunnoorain> what?
[09:02:48] <archivist> pulling your leg
[09:03:18] <zunnoorain> oh my god i think u r not a real person just a computer
[09:03:35] <archivist> there are 90ish people in here
[09:03:38] <zunnoorain> ok bye
[09:03:51] <DJ9DJ> lol
[09:04:23] <zunnoorain> hi
[09:05:43] <zunnoorain> hi
[09:06:37] <zunnoorain> hi
[09:06:41] <zunnoorain> every one
[09:06:41] <archivist> I see you are confused
[09:06:53] <archivist> do not keep repeating
[09:07:05] <zunnoorain> i dnt know how to use IRC
[09:07:23] <zunnoorain> it is not like Yahoo, or MSN messanger
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[09:08:01] <archivist> you ask a sensible question and lork, hoping for an answer or three
[09:08:08] <archivist> lurk
[09:08:55] <archivist> yes you can use a cam package to program a cnc
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[09:09:19] <archivist> in here many of us hand write the gcode though
[09:09:37] <Thetawaves> or try to write code to write gcode for us.
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[09:10:41] <Allied> hi
[09:10:58] <archivist> Thetawaves, I am doing that with apt360 when I have learnt enough about it
[09:11:55] <archivist> Allied, it is bad form in irc to pm, ask in open channel then many can answer
[09:12:49] <Poincare> archivist: you just said what I wanted to say...
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[09:14:49] <Allied> hi i am new to IRC, can we have private chat?
[09:15:25] <Poincare> just say/ask what you want to say/ask in the channel
[09:15:40] <Poincare> I'll have privave chat's with my spouse(s)...
[09:15:46] <archivist> Allied, better to ask in channel, you get better answers that way as each has different experience
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[09:16:43] <Allied> ok i am using MOTENC-Light PCI card with EMC2 do anyone have any experience ?
[09:17:46] <Allied> why do i need breakout cards and I/O cards along with PCI card?
[09:18:37] <archivist> usually for the opto isolation and the connectors
[09:19:20] <Poincare> archivist: now you did it again!
[09:19:27] <Allied> ok what is Sherline, and Xylotex?
[09:19:59] <Poincare> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherline
[09:21:05] * archivist lets Poincare take the heat for a bit :)
[09:21:27] <Poincare> http://duckduckgo.com/?q=xylotex
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[11:08:33] <Zunnoorain> What is the difference between I/O cards and breakout cards??
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[11:11:03] <Zunnoorain> What is the difference between I/O cards and breakout cards
[11:20:17] <Zunnoorain> anybody there???
[11:20:33] <Zunnoorain> anybody there????/
[11:22:49] <Zunnoorain> ??????????
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[11:24:37] <Allied> hi any one there????/
[11:29:53] <ReadError> Allied: dont pm me
[11:30:13] <ReadError> quick way to get the ban hammer brought down if you randomly start pm'ing people that arent here
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[11:44:19] <syyl> some people might think that this channel is a service-hotline ;)
[11:44:40] <syyl> and you have to be available 24/7
[11:48:43] <archivist> I did try to teach him/her the ask and lurk part...seem to have failed there :)
[11:49:09] <syyl> you cant always have success ;)
[11:50:30] <syyl> ha, we were casting alumium yesterday again :D
[11:50:30] <syyl> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/Grillen%26Gie%C3%9Fen/IMG_0802.JPG
[11:50:35] <syyl> untill darkness felt..
[11:53:05] <jthornton> I recognize that crucible
[11:54:59] <syyl> its the "square tube with welded bottom" crucible
[11:55:01] <syyl> :D
[11:55:14] <jthornton> and two rings
[11:55:21] <syyl> jep
[11:55:25] <syyl> the melt off sometimes...
[11:55:36] <archivist> I went on an ebay trip for someone else but stopped by to see stonemasons at work http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_07_27_York_Stonemasons/
[11:56:36] <r00t4rd3d> ebay trip?
[11:56:40] <r00t4rd3d> to pick something up
[11:57:05] <r00t4rd3d> ur server is too slow for large pics.
[11:57:38] <archivist> server is fast, adsl is slow
[11:58:00] <r00t4rd3d> something
[11:58:09] <syyl> something is slow, yes :D
[11:58:31] <jthornton> yes it is slow over here too
[11:58:49] <syyl> maybe we shouldnt click all the pictures the same time..
[11:59:00] <jthornton> lol
[11:59:07] <syyl> na, cracy idea
[11:59:09] <syyl> ;)
[11:59:10] <r00t4rd3d> or just upload the album to imgur
[11:59:51] <r00t4rd3d> 25% and i give up
[12:00:11] <syyl> i am patient :D
[12:00:34] <andypugh> They are very large photos too.
[12:00:56] <andypugh> I am seeing a Rocket, not a stonemason.
[12:01:16] <syyl> img_1280 is the first with stone..
[12:01:22] <r00t4rd3d> i could make all those pics less the 100k and still look good
[12:02:05] <andypugh> Hmm, not the Rocket, now I see more of it.
[12:03:35] <syyl> nice pictures
[12:03:46] <archivist> oops I just moved the yrm pics into a subdire
[12:03:53] <r00t4rd3d> you mean picture cause i know you only got 1 to load in this time
[12:04:06] <syyl> i got almost all :D
[12:04:16] <syyl> sucking away all the bandwith
[12:04:16] <syyl> :D
[12:04:21] <r00t4rd3d> must be
[12:07:22] <r00t4rd3d> archivist, your original 2.4mb, Mine, 70KB http://i.imgur.com/JG7zC.jpg
[12:08:01] <syyl> thats because your parts the picture shows are much smaller
[12:09:04] <r00t4rd3d> well i didnt get too touchy feely with it
[12:10:19] <archivist> stonemason in pic ending 1280 saw me taking pics and came over and got the camera and took pics of the gargoyle he is carving
[12:10:37] <r00t4rd3d> 21kb http://i.imgur.com/B60Et.jpg
[12:10:40] <r00t4rd3d> hows that syyl
[12:10:44] <archivist> he said six weeks for that block
[12:11:04] <archivist> so far
[12:11:09] <syyl> i am impressed by that gear(?) ;)
[12:11:11] <andypugh> These are working on the Minster?
[12:11:33] <archivist> andypugh, yes, open day on the 10th of aug
[12:11:47] <archivist> so one can go up the scaffolding
[12:12:01] <andypugh> Ooh.
[12:12:14] <archivist> I sure am thinking about it
[12:14:00] <andypugh> I made the ball finial, the kneelers and the chimneys here: http://www.bodgesoc.org/Slaithwaite2/Cottage_end.JPG
[12:14:40] <andypugh> (The righ-hand chimney pot is terrcacotta, I didn't make that)
[12:22:32] <r00t4rd3d> i do roof top work occasionally too http://i.imgur.com/Y64T8.jpg
[12:22:36] <archivist> Im on the 1:20 pm trip :)
[12:27:39] <archivist> andypugh, they charge for trips up the scaffold 7.50 but I think the stonemasons yard/s are free. will see on the 10th
[12:29:23] <andypugh> That's a Friday isn't it? I am on a trackday in Louth that day.
[12:30:10] <archivist> choices for fun days out.....
[12:31:21] <archivist> I just hope nobody asks me to do something else around that time
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[12:53:26] <r00t4rd3d> so you can ride scaffolding?
[12:55:02] <syyl> just because you can do something, its not always a good idea..
[12:58:16] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, yes http://www.yorkminster.org/history-and-conservation/works-department.html
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[13:44:52] * Loetmichel has just engraved the next 70 Slot Plates... -> http://youtu.be/v59vyLhvj78
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[13:46:33] <Loetmichel> Note to self: modifying the max. accel. from 200 to 500mm/s^2 reduces the milling time to the half ;-)
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[13:49:27] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That is just SO wrong! (that you had to make those in the first place)
[13:49:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: !
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[13:50:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: why?
[13:51:54] <Jymmm> BILLIONS stamped out in china for less that $0.0001 each, yet you had to design and fabricate them
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[14:14:15] <Tom_itx> Jymmm iirc i suggested making one stamp may be quicker than milling all 400
[14:14:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, the point I was trying to make, is having to make them at all.
[14:15:24] <Jymmm> It's like making your own pencil; just not worth the time or effort.
[14:15:45] <Tom_itx> not worth seinding 400 units back either
[14:15:51] <Tom_itx> sending*
[14:16:10] * Tom_itx turns the light on so he can see the kbd
[14:16:12] <Jymmm> ?
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[14:17:05] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: hrhr
[14:17:16] <Loetmichel> yes, i contemplated making a stamp
[14:17:44] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: what is the purpose in making these in the first place?
[14:17:46] <Loetmichel> but i have no experience doing tha for STEEL, even if its very mild steel.
[14:18:14] <Loetmichel> and the 500 systems have to be in the same optics, so making a stamp no wouldnt be good
[14:18:30] <Tom_itx> i guess the ones we did were for aluminum sheet. all we did was flame harden the cutting edge
[14:18:45] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: mounting an external usb Soundstick internally in a PC. and getting the 2 audio plugs out
[14:18:46] <Tom_itx> that way it could easily be resharpened as well
[14:19:00] <Loetmichel> that are the slotplates of the gbit nics, there was enough room ;-)
[14:19:05] <Tom_itx> a couple were like 2' wide
[14:24:01] <r00t4rd3d> time for my router to make me some cash
[14:24:01] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/abuuv.jpg
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[14:29:44] <Loetmichel> r00t4rd3d: bah. didnt got a piece of wood without a branch?
[14:31:45] <r00t4rd3d> was scrap to use as example
[14:36:44] <r00t4rd3d> i bet i can sell it on craigslist with the knot
[14:36:50] <r00t4rd3d> for 20 bucks
[14:36:51] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/uNo75.jpg
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[15:34:42] <Tom_itx> what would most likely be minimal hardware linuxcnc would run on?
[15:34:52] <Tom_itx> 286 probably too slow?
[15:34:57] <Tom_itx> 386?
[15:36:09] <r00t4rd3d> i got 8.04 to run on a via m10000
[15:36:26] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.viaembedded.com/en/products/boards/81/1/EPIA_M_%28EOL%29.html
[15:37:13] <Tom_itx> i'd rather stick with 10.04 +
[15:37:36] <r00t4rd3d> well i updated all the emc2 stuff to the latest linuxcnc stuff
[15:38:00] <r00t4rd3d> just the ubuntu was version 804
[15:38:02] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/itx/EPIA-MII-45.jpg
[15:38:07] <Tom_itx> i'm running that one here
[15:39:05] <Tom_itx> can you run 2.5 on 8.04?
[15:39:15] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
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[15:39:35] <Tom_itx> upgrade from the live cd?
[15:39:41] <r00t4rd3d> net
[15:39:48] <r00t4rd3d> just add the right repo
[15:40:12] <Tom_itx> i bet it's slow
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[15:40:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
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[15:40:52] <Tom_itx> i think i've looked at that
[15:40:55] <r00t4rd3d> at the bottom
[15:41:01] <r00t4rd3d> On Ubuntu Hardy 8.04
[15:41:42] <r00t4rd3d> my d525 came before i had a chance to cut anything with it
[15:42:16] <r00t4rd3d> but it was all working
[15:42:42] <Tom_itx> i wonder if my current setup would work on it as far as hal and ini stuff. i can't see why it wouldn't
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[16:00:47] <JT-Shop> For the record, the newest versions are in:
[16:00:47] <JT-Shop> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:librecad-dev/librecad-daily
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[16:08:08] <r00t4rd3d> thats for the daily build
[16:08:21] <JT-Shop> yea 2.x I think
[16:08:25] <r00t4rd3d> bleeding edge, untested
[16:08:29] <r00t4rd3d> or unstable
[16:08:38] <JT-Shop> or neither or both
[16:08:48] <JT-Shop> just depends on how lucky you are
[16:11:34] <r00t4rd3d> that would get old real quick though if you have your "Other" sources set to auto update
[16:12:01] <r00t4rd3d> even though ubuntu has updates itself just about daily
[16:13:48] <r00t4rd3d> An Angry Father's Mission:
[16:13:48] <r00t4rd3d> 'You Sold My Kid Bath Salts
[16:13:48] <r00t4rd3d> and I'll Kill You'
[16:13:57] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[16:14:29] <jdh> if my kids are that stupid, it's not the seller's fault.
[16:15:06] <r00t4rd3d> the "kid" was 24
[16:17:07] <r00t4rd3d> jdh do you make shit and sell it?
[16:17:38] <r00t4rd3d> on your router*
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[16:23:06] <archivist> I make quality and occasionally sell it
[16:23:54] <archivist> never admit to seling shit look what happened to Gerald Ratner
[16:24:47] <archivist> google "ratner effect"
[16:30:01] <jdh> if the kid is that old and that stupid... it's even less the seller's fault.
[16:30:19] <jdh> I don't sell anything. I have been paid for some stuff though.
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[17:02:49] <IchGuckLive> hi all
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[17:13:09] <mazafaka> a
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[17:36:33] <Guest29049> Good morning. Has anyone experienced the following:
[17:37:23] <JT-Shop> must be a survey
[17:37:37] <Tom_itx> how's things JT-Shop?
[17:37:37] <archivist> yes,no,maybe
[17:37:46] <Guest29049> more than one physical pin (in my case pin 01, 02, 04, etc) being controlled by more than one hal pin
[17:37:48] <Jymmm> or a pharmacutical commercial
[17:37:48] <Guest29049> sorry,
[17:38:08] <Guest29049> LOL. I like the pharm question
[17:38:15] <JT-Shop> like a parallel port pin?
[17:38:26] <jdh> try a pullup/down
[17:38:51] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: doing good just got up from a nice nap while it rained
[17:38:56] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: you can just put out every halsignal to every pin
[17:38:56] <Guest29049> Yes. Let me rephrase: clicking estop on axis changes the pin1 phy pin, but also 2, 4, 6, ets
[17:39:01] <Jymmm> "Lasting more than four hours..." That's not a medical issue, that's a scheduling issue!
[17:40:08] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: just copy the hal word to all of your wanted pins
[17:40:22] <JT-Shop> "kindly let me know if you still have this for sale as you just posted it on CL
[17:40:22] <JT-Shop> thanks" now that is a dumb question
[17:40:25] <Guest29049> yes. I have been using halrun to attempt to change the physical pin state (0 or 5 V),. Let me back up and try to rephrase the question. On minute.
[17:40:27] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop send some rain this way
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[17:41:05] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: is it only the e-stop or do you also use mahine on
[17:41:26] <JT-Shop> sorry my sprinkler won't reach that far
[17:41:38] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: where are you from ? Contionent Country
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[17:42:06] <Guest29049> I configed "my-mill" using stepconf wizard using the stepconf wiz. Halmeter shows that axis is responding (in manual mode) properly, but the only physical pin actually changing according to my dvm.
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[17:42:19] <Tom_itx> i water some but to look at it you'd not know
[17:42:32] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: you need to do this by hand
[17:42:57] <Guest29049> Would you be interested in reviewing my hal file?
[17:43:18] <IchGuckLive> yes we will do
[17:43:26] <Tom_itx> post it somewhere
[17:43:30] <IchGuckLive> but its not clear what you expect
[17:43:37] <Guest29049> thank you. I'll brb with url
[17:43:48] <IchGuckLive> e-stop out on 4 pysical pins Why
[17:43:50] <jdh> floating
[17:44:46] <r00t4rd3d> Guest29049, type /nick MikeCNC
[17:45:23] <IchGuckLive> r00t4rd3d: do you know him
[17:45:28] <r00t4rd3d> no
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[17:46:03] * JT-Shop is looking at the begginings of LibreCAM
[17:46:46] <r00t4rd3d> look at sketchup and the phlat script plugin
[17:46:50] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: same as pycam engrave
[17:47:32] <IchGuckLive> sketchup via blender 2 linuxcnc wars my university diploma
[17:47:35] <JT-Shop> what is the same as pycam engrave?
[17:47:48] <IchGuckLive> ibrecam
[17:48:26] <JT-Shop> I'm confused LibreCAM is not released anywhere yet
[17:48:44] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: do you work with mazak components therfore you need a e-stop chain
[17:49:16] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: libecad team is working on it
[17:49:38] <IchGuckLive> with the code of pycam engrave
[17:50:25] <JT-Shop> I've not used pycam engrave so I don't reconize the code as that
[17:51:21] <IchGuckLive> will it be a librecad plugin from you
[17:51:32] <Guest29049> i need to reboot
[17:51:33] <IchGuckLive> Guest29049: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
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[17:51:50] <JT-Shop> I'm looking at it at the moment
[17:53:12] <JT-Shop> phlatscript looks like it is for making model airplanes
[17:53:14] <IchGuckLive> your own code and glade3 code
[17:53:38] <JT-Shop> librecad is done with Qt Creator
[17:55:03] <JT-Shop> the EMC post is in python and the rest is in C++
[17:55:40] <Tom_itx> is there a downside to running 2.5 in ubuntu 8.04?
[17:55:59] <IchGuckLive> ok you know that librecam is a espanoel tradmark
[17:56:27] <JT-Shop> no, not sure what that means
[17:57:15] <IchGuckLive> the librecad team wanted to name the cam plugin
[17:57:38] <IchGuckLive> and not going with separate install
[17:59:17] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: im with you at the cam i use heekscnc for dxf 2 emc
[17:59:45] <IchGuckLive> as i did alotoff postprocess work
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[18:00:27] <IchGuckLive> as speceal the CRC stuff for my education lessons
[18:04:56] <IchGuckLive> ok im off
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[18:08:23] <Tom_itx> anyone run their D525 atom 24/7?
[18:08:28] <Tom_itx> wondering about heat issues
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[18:09:26] <ReadError> i do
[18:09:28] <ReadError> no issues
[18:09:36] <ReadError> i have it in a midtower ATX though
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[18:19:54] <JT-Shop> both of my 525's are on all the time unless there is a power out
[18:20:11] <JT-Shop> they are in compact cases desined for that board
[18:20:25] <Tom_itx> i think i'm gonna try 8.04 on this via board and see if it works
[18:20:48] <Tom_itx> then i may use the atom for this for a while
[18:24:48] <jdh> my 525 has been on since I got it.
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[18:43:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Most focus on the CPU, but you really have to worry about the N/S bridges as they get hotter usually.
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[18:44:22] <Jymmm> or at least a significant failure point.
[18:46:58] <JT-Shop> dang he left before I could understand what he said
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[19:10:27] <michaelgrogan> test
[19:10:42] <djdelorie> test failed
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[19:21:23] <Jymmm> pregnancy? STD? SAT?
[19:21:34] <djdelorie> PID!
[19:21:42] <Jymmm> ah, bummer
[19:22:06] <djdelorie> actually, my pid stuff seems to be starting to work...
[19:22:52] <Jymmm> From everything I've heard in hear, servo tuning sounds more like voodoo to me.
[19:23:00] <Jymmm> s/hear/here/
[19:23:20] <djdelorie> yup
[19:23:36] <djdelorie> there's a lot of math in the code, and even more math in reality...
[19:23:48] <Jymmm> What I dont get is why can't it be scoped?
[19:24:01] <djdelorie> the fun at the moment is that I'm testing the code with a 48v power supply and no motor load, instead of the 120v power supply and CNC machine load...
[19:24:11] <djdelorie> scoped?
[19:24:46] <Jymmm> Yeah, I can toss my car on a scope, an engine on a scope, why not a servo motor?
[19:25:15] <djdelorie> http://www.delorie.com/cnc/rpm-PI-1.html
[19:25:30] <djdelorie> that's my RPM pid loop on a scope...
[19:26:10] <Jymmm> Ok, so there's no proggy to read the scope results and start going thru the process?
[19:26:21] <djdelorie> that's another whole level of voodoo
[19:26:38] <Jymmm> eh
[19:27:00] <djdelorie> search for "automatic pid tuning"
[19:31:46] <Tom_itx> Jymmm yeah, my graphic chip starts crapping out when it gets too dusty inside
[19:33:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Use a HVAC filter on the air intake
[19:33:14] <Jymmm> cheap and easy to replace
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[19:40:19] <alex4nder> YOH
[19:40:29] <alex4nder> er
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[19:51:28] <JT-Shop> I need some of those cut to fit filters for the computers in the shop
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[19:52:22] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Might be easier to just make a three sided frame using Z-channel aluminum
[19:52:32] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: the MB in the hardinge don't like to be closed up
[19:52:33] <Jymmm> or U chanel
[19:52:38] <JT-Shop> for?
[19:52:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: to just slip in a hvac filet as is
[19:52:59] <Jymmm> filter
[19:53:06] <JT-Shop> much too big
[19:53:07] <Jymmm> or filet if you like the smell
[19:53:17] <Jymmm> more air == good
[19:53:41] <cylly> *buring swarf flying* ... 15kRPM and F200 seems a bit much for a 6mm TC drill bit in sheet steel ;-)
[19:53:44] <JT-Shop> I need like 6 x 6
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[19:54:10] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: car air filter?
[19:54:39] <JT-Shop> I have a tractor air filter on my VMC
[19:57:04] <Jymmm> there ya go =)
[19:57:15] <Jymmm> Maybe a yugo filter =)
[19:57:26] <Jymmm> or 1972 Honda =)
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[20:51:22] <Tom_itx> the 8.04 iso download link gives a 'Forbidden' warning. the mirror seems to work
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[20:52:57] <Tom_itx> ok time to clean this box
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[21:05:38] <JessicaRN> just gen'd a 13M gcode file... sheesh
[21:06:46] <r00t4rd3d> how many lines?
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[21:07:36] <skunkworks__> JessicaRN: still going with linuxcnc?
[21:07:52] <JessicaRN> 797,000 lines... omg
[21:08:10] <r00t4rd3d> hope you got a fast machine or are real patient
[21:08:14] <djdelorie> 3-D carving or something?
[21:08:16] <JessicaRN> at this point I'm going with whatever will cut my parts
[21:08:30] <JessicaRN> yeah, it's a sculptural part
[21:08:46] <JessicaRN> fast??? lol
[21:09:01] <JessicaRN> I think the mill will be working for a week
[21:09:18] <jdh> longer run times are bad IMO
[21:09:31] <Tom_L> it goes thru lines quick on surfaces
[21:09:36] <JessicaRN> i'm gonna try and break it into smaller parts and run each seperatly
[21:09:47] <r00t4rd3d> what are you making? pic?
[21:09:58] <r00t4rd3d> show us something...
[21:10:23] <JessicaRN> no pic yet. it's a sun motif, but there are no flats to it. all curves
[21:10:29] <jdh> why is it that on irc, guys are always trying to get girls to give them pics of their parts.
[21:10:37] <JessicaRN> lol
[21:10:43] <djdelorie> she's a girl?
[21:10:49] <r00t4rd3d> show me your parts!
[21:11:08] <r00t4rd3d> djdelorie, in usa, jessica is a popular female name.
[21:11:14] <jdh> dj: it's there interwebbes... all girls are guys, unless they are 14, then then they are fbi agents.
[21:11:20] <djdelorie> or dogs
[21:11:22] <JessicaRN> i want to ultimately cut 3d scans. those are gonna be huge
[21:11:46] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:11:48] <djdelorie> r00t4rd3d: on the web, your "name" doesn't mean squat about you. It's all fake, right? ;-)
[21:11:49] <r00t4rd3d> are you a registered nurse?
[21:11:54] <JessicaRN> yeah
[21:12:03] * skunkworks__ looks at his nick
[21:12:05] <JessicaRN> i work in the ER of a local hospital
[21:12:20] <Tom_L> i would never have guessed
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[21:12:21] <skunkworks__> I figured rn was registered nurse...
[21:12:34] <JessicaRN> you guys are quick
[21:13:10] <r00t4rd3d> am not!
[21:13:28] <r00t4rd3d> what did you generate that code with?
[21:13:44] <JessicaRN> hmmm... i think pycam
[21:13:56] <JessicaRN> i've tried 57 things
[21:14:15] <r00t4rd3d> use sketchup and phlatscript if you are new.
[21:14:15] <JessicaRN> it might have been a "borrowed" mastercam 9.1
[21:14:18] <skunkworks__> heh - join the club. from what I have heard - pycam is a bit slow.
[21:14:24] <skunkworks__> but works decent
[21:14:49] <JessicaRN> i drew the part in 123d and outputted it as an stl.
[21:15:11] <r00t4rd3d> with sketchup you can do it all in one program and its pretty easy to use
[21:15:14] <JessicaRN> I ultimately want to scan parts and send them to 123d create
[21:15:25] <Tom_L> hmm this is 10.04... didn't realize that
[21:15:25] <r00t4rd3d> make your part, do the tool path, output the gcode
[21:15:28] <JessicaRN> sketchup makes gcode?
[21:15:34] <Tom_L> it must be an old emc2 install
[21:15:45] <r00t4rd3d> yeah with the phlatscript plugin
[21:15:51] <JessicaRN> wow.
[21:15:56] <JessicaRN> didn't know that
[21:16:09] <JessicaRN> is it good g'code? optimized?
[21:16:11] <Tom_L> JT-Shop will that get me into trouble?
[21:16:20] <Tom_L> not sure the date on this cd
[21:16:39] <Tom_L> i thougt it was 8.04 but it's not
[21:16:46] <r00t4rd3d> JessicaRN, yeah its good
[21:17:04] <JessicaRN> with a name like phlatscript (flat?) does it only make slices? i need tool paths
[21:17:35] <r00t4rd3d> it does tool paths
[21:17:37] <JessicaRN> you know if you can import stl's into sketchup?
[21:17:44] <r00t4rd3d> the name comes from the phlatformer they sell
[21:18:31] <r00t4rd3d> they have a stl imported plugin
[21:18:44] <r00t4rd3d> a export dxf plugin also
[21:19:34] <JessicaRN> hmmm.... wish i woulda known this sooner. I've been jerkin around with a ton of other tools. any serious limitations to that setup?
[21:19:49] <r00t4rd3d> not for me
[21:20:02] <r00t4rd3d> i was in the same boat, 800 different cad/cam programs
[21:20:06] <r00t4rd3d> now i use just a couple
[21:20:20] <JessicaRN> will the free sketchup do the job or do i need pro?
[21:20:33] <r00t4rd3d> sketchup+phlatscript plugin, microcarve, cut2d
[21:20:38] <r00t4rd3d> i use the free
[21:21:01] <r00t4rd3d> but have pro on my cnc's computer
[21:21:11] <JessicaRN> what are you cutting on? a hobby mill?
[21:21:18] <r00t4rd3d> sure
[21:21:23] <r00t4rd3d> you could call it that
[21:21:31] <r00t4rd3d> diy
[21:21:33] <JessicaRN> just 3 axis?
[21:21:37] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[21:22:14] <JessicaRN> did google sell sketchup? shite.
[21:22:18] <r00t4rd3d> nah
[21:22:24] <JessicaRN> I liked it better when it was a google product
[21:22:29] <JessicaRN> nah?
[21:22:31] <r00t4rd3d> it still is
[21:22:33] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/jSTZv.jpg
[21:22:38] <r00t4rd3d> thats my machine
[21:23:00] <JessicaRN> floating gantry?
[21:23:09] <r00t4rd3d> it is made from wood
[21:23:23] <r00t4rd3d> i think the motors would sink it though
[21:23:40] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[21:23:41] <r00t4rd3d> ya
[21:24:19] <JessicaRN> chuckles
[21:24:26] <JessicaRN> looks like a fireball
[21:25:35] <JessicaRN> my homebuilt is a float also. you lose a little rigidity, but save a lot of footprint
[21:27:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/uNo75.jpg
[21:27:16] <JessicaRN> the gerber machine I own is a rigid gantry over a moving x-y. I'm gonna mod that machine to go from z 1/2" to a 6" plunge. I hope to cut metal on that
[21:27:28] <r00t4rd3d> i cut that today with Cut2D and a dxf file from this place : http://mydxf.blogspot.com/
[21:27:38] <JessicaRN> nice
[21:27:59] <JessicaRN> i need to be cutting a sign soon. I just opened an art gallery with my partner.
[21:29:09] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a logo yet?
[21:29:19] <JessicaRN> yeah
[21:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> http://mydxf.blogspot.com/2008/12/design-127.html
[21:32:00] <JessicaRN> nice. i wish i had a plasma cutter! that would be fun! I found one for $1500, but the guy was a creeper.
[21:32:04] <skunkworks__> I had converted a gerber machine to linuxcnc before I sold it..
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[21:32:29] <JessicaRN> i'm psyched about the gerber cuz it is so solid.
[21:33:13] <skunkworks__> http://youtu.be/a_OUNLruaVQ
[21:35:47] <JessicaRN> that your machine?
[21:36:17] <skunkworks__> 'was my machine.. sold it - paid for quite a bit of a garage ;)
[21:36:57] <JessicaRN> nice. which phlatscript do i need to d/l?
[21:37:06] <JessicaRN> sketchucam?
[21:38:29] <r00t4rd3d> yeah same thing
[21:38:35] <r00t4rd3d> they are sorta renaming it
[21:38:49] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.phlatforum.com/
[21:39:13] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.phlatforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=98&t=2
[21:39:25] <JessicaRN> not gonna install a rootkit with this thing?
[21:39:47] <r00t4rd3d> no
[21:39:51] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchup.google.com/training/videos.html
[21:40:07] <JessicaRN> maybe it is YOUR rootkit???
[21:40:09] <r00t4rd3d> first watch some of them if you are not use to sketckup , i watched only the first
[21:40:11] <JessicaRN> *grins*
[21:41:10] <JessicaRN> will it work on sketchup8?
[21:41:17] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[21:42:42] <r00t4rd3d> pro too
[21:43:05] <r00t4rd3d> with pro you can export to dxf without the dxf export plugin i think
[21:46:00] <JessicaRN> hmmm... i made my original on 123d and exported it to .stl to make my first gcode tool path. sketchup doesnt wanna read either the 123d file or the .stl
[21:46:06] <JessicaRN> do i need another plugin?
[21:51:10] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: what?
[21:53:04] <r00t4rd3d> stl plugin
[21:53:11] <r00t4rd3d> import plugin
[21:53:38] <JessicaRN> i just found one on sourceforge. i'll try that unless you know of a better one.
[21:53:47] <JessicaRN> microcarve is also a plugin?
[21:54:06] <r00t4rd3d> no a app
[21:54:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/2010/03/sketchup-stl-importer-redo.html
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[21:54:13] <r00t4rd3d> that is the stl import plugin i use
[21:54:35] <r00t4rd3d> he also makes other useful plugins
[21:54:44] <r00t4rd3d> http://sketchuptips.blogspot.com/p/my-plugins.html
[21:55:16] <JessicaRN> i'll check it out. the sourceforge one is both an importer and an exporter
[21:57:18] <JessicaRN> is microcarve a paid app?
[21:57:43] <Skullworks> Have not had a chance to put v2.5 on real hardware yet, but I assume we still have the accel/decel limit of running no faster than what can be stopped within 1 block.
[21:58:09] <JessicaRN> what about cut2d? is that a paid app also?
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[21:59:51] <Tom_L> JT-Shop i just wondered if the old 10.04 probably 'emc2' era would present a problem but it's rather moot now as i restarted with the newer cd
[22:00:11] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: Still there?
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[22:04:34] <r00t4rd3d> yeah paid, its only like 32 bucks though
[22:05:00] <JessicaRN> sheesh! you must think I'm RICH!
[22:05:03] <JessicaRN> damn...
[22:05:10] <JessicaRN> *grins*
[22:05:12] <r00t4rd3d> well , microcarve is 32, cut2d i didnt buy
[22:05:26] <DaViruz> whaat
[22:05:27] <JessicaRN> cut2d trial any good?
[22:05:32] <DaViruz> i paid $150 får my cut2d
[22:05:32] <r00t4rd3d> didnt try it
[22:05:37] <DaViruz> they have lowered it that much?
[22:05:52] <r00t4rd3d> i got in my boat and put my eye patch on
[22:06:06] <r00t4rd3d> ARGGGGGGGGGG!
[22:06:10] <DaViruz> arrrrr!
[22:06:12] <Tom_L> we don't promote that here either
[22:06:46] <r00t4rd3d> you dont like sailing?
[22:06:59] <Tom_L> seriously doubt that was the reference
[22:08:13] <r00t4rd3d> i wast promoting anything either.
[22:08:16] <JessicaRN> you know of a good 123d importer for sketchup?
[22:08:18] <r00t4rd3d> wasnt*
[22:08:27] <r00t4rd3d> never messed with 123d
[22:08:37] <Skullworks> The .gov loves PIRACY - They just call it Due Process of Asset forfieture.
[22:08:58] <DaViruz> 123 dimensions, i have trouble with the nine dimensions of string theory
[22:09:30] <DaViruz> sorry
[22:12:08] <r00t4rd3d> DaViruz, do you have cut3d?
[22:12:22] <r00t4rd3d> i got it but havent messed with it
[22:12:36] <JessicaRN> r00t4rd3d: phlatscript saved a blank file...
[22:12:53] <r00t4rd3d> you didnt view the tutorial now did you?
[22:12:58] <DaViruz> r00t4rd3d: nope, just 2d
[22:13:01] <JessicaRN> rtfm???
[22:13:02] <r00t4rd3d> did you drop your safe zone?
[22:13:08] <JessicaRN> What me???
[22:13:09] <DaViruz> used it quite a lot though
[22:13:14] <r00t4rd3d> no zone, no gcode
[22:13:21] <JessicaRN> heheh
[22:13:23] <JessicaRN> cool
[22:13:26] <andypugh> JessicaRN: You might find that the G-code you have is made from lots of tiny short lines. That makes LinuxCNC run rather slowly. You might get better results on sculptural parts by decreasing the fidelity of the CAM (longer line segments) and then setting LinuxCNC to smooth things out. ie, if you set the accuracy tolerance in the CAM to be the same as the G64 tolerance in LinuxCNC you should get the intended geometry but
[22:13:26] <andypugh> faster-running code.
[22:13:28] <JessicaRN> i'll rtfm
[22:13:37] <r00t4rd3d> just watch the basic tut
[22:14:00] <JessicaRN> thx andypugh
[22:14:08] <JessicaRN> k, root
[22:14:11] <JessicaRN> will do
[22:14:25] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9f-bC3hpHQ&feature=player_embedded
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[22:14:27] <r00t4rd3d> thar
[22:14:31] <r00t4rd3d> thats what i watched
[22:14:47] <andypugh> Talking about CAM, I got sent an ArtCAM Demo CD last week. It seems to be a rather inexpensive product (£100). I might get the chance to have a look at it by the middle of October.
[22:15:03] <r00t4rd3d> i got artcam
[22:15:11] <r00t4rd3d> thats a weird one
[22:15:19] <r00t4rd3d> artcam 2008
[22:15:22] <jthornton> JessicaRN, do you want the link to the relevant section of the manual?
[22:15:45] <JessicaRN> jthornton: yes, tyvm
[22:15:51] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[22:15:57] <JessicaRN> you can read it too me as well!
[22:16:00] <r00t4rd3d> jthornton, we talking google sketchup
[22:16:18] <r00t4rd3d> oh wait nvm
[22:16:22] <jthornton> no, setting Linuxcnc G64
[22:16:48] <andypugh> <ponder> Here in the UK "RN" would normally mean "Royal Navy"
[22:17:04] <r00t4rd3d> in usa it means registered nurse
[22:17:45] <Tom_L> andypugh what do they title the nurses there?
[22:17:53] <JessicaRN> I knew a guy in the Royal Navy... his name was roger. I think he was a cabin boy.
[22:17:56] <r00t4rd3d> head nurse
[22:18:03] <andypugh> Reminds me of someone a friend claimed to have met working in a University department who was a monk, with a high-level nursning qualification, and a chair. He was Professor Brother Sister…..
[22:18:25] <JessicaRN> you can always tell the head nurse... she wears kneepads
[22:18:43] * jthornton waits for a definitive answer for the link
[22:19:02] <JessicaRN> jt, sorry... yes, please
[22:19:22] <andypugh> I think that they use "SRN" for State Registered Nurse.
[22:19:26] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html
[22:19:40] <JessicaRN> tyvm
[22:19:57] <jthornton> this also may be of interest to you http://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/tutorial/index.html
[22:20:54] <JessicaRN> hmmm... somehow I gather you are familiar with that material.
[22:26:08] <JT-Shop> Tom_L: ok
[22:26:24] <JT-Shop> I think he is for sure
[22:28:35] <skunkworks__> jthornton has been key on heh
[22:29:53] <Tom_L> JT-Shop i'm just not sure it will run on this itx is all
[22:32:57] <JT-Shop> if it don't back down to 8.04
[22:33:15] <Tom_L> i'm getting beeps from the bios right now
[22:33:21] <JT-Shop> hey skunkworks__
[22:34:00] <skunkworks__> Hi jt
[22:34:11] <skunkworks__> bathroom remodel in full swing...
[22:34:18] <JT-Shop> yikes!
[22:34:21] <JT-Shop> what fun
[22:34:35] <skunkworks__> yes. Atleast I am not tiling this time
[22:35:12] <JT-Shop> that hurts my knees to do that
[22:36:40] <skunkworks__> yes - smallish room - most of the tile is on the walls
[22:39:17] <JT-Shop> I found the smaller the room the longer it took it seemed like all corners and no room...
[22:40:35] <skunkworks__> lots of cuts ;)
[22:41:13] <jdh> artcam looks cheap until you get the add-ons that let it actually do things
[22:46:12] <Tom_L> latency test doesn't load from the menu
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[22:54:32] <JessicaRN> anyone used fluidimporter?
[22:54:37] <JessicaRN> any good?
[22:59:12] <skunkworks__> Tom_L: what are you trying to do?
[23:00:02] <Tom_L> i'm putting 2.5 on an old epia board
[23:00:15] <Tom_L> but the latency test won't start from the menu
[23:00:28] <skunkworks__> there is an issue with the livecd that if you have internet access during the install - the ubuntu update that happens during install borks linuxcnc
[23:00:30] <Tom_L> the rest loaded on the hdd and appears to run so far
[23:00:40] <Tom_L> i'm aware of that one i think
[23:00:45] <skunkworks__> ok
[23:00:51] <Tom_L> i had that issue on the atom
[23:00:55] <Tom_L> with 4g ram
[23:01:30] <Tom_L> it will also bork with 4g ram
[23:01:40] <Tom_L> either / or
[23:02:54] <JT-Shop> the MB on the Hardinge I had to install 8.0.4 then install EMC from the script... only way I could get it to work
[23:03:41] <Tom_L> the install appears to have worked and loaded the hm2-stepper conf
[23:04:25] <Tom_L> i'd rather use it if it will work
[23:04:39] <Tom_L> at least until i can get another atom setup
[23:04:40] <JT-Shop> cool
[23:04:58] <Tom_L> it's been my irc client machine for a long time
[23:05:16] * JT-Shop goes back to the smoker
[23:05:16] <Tom_L> i'll copy over my hal stuff once the update is done
[23:05:32] <Tom_L> what's smokin tonight?
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[23:24:51] <andypugh> Spindle encoder: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/pIX99XXyplXGFZIsyTV2Y9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:27:36] <skunkworks__> andypugh: what is it sensing?
[23:27:46] <skunkworks__> (I know a gear - but could we see that?)
[23:29:28] <andypugh> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/50sU9lCdX6QIFUW_s5hL5tMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[23:30:03] <skunkworks__> screw is the endex?
[23:30:08] <andypugh> (I tapped a tommy-bar adjuster hole to put that screw in as a once-per-rev index
[23:30:23] <skunkworks__> neat
[23:30:44] <andypugh> I might make something without the driver recess if that double-hits
[23:31:00] <skunkworks__> I thought about doing that on the k&t but didn't think there was enough teeth..
[23:31:50] <skunkworks__> for rigid tapping.
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[23:32:23] <andypugh> I will see how it goes, the other mill only has a few slots (45 I think)
[23:32:51] <skunkworks__> how many theeth?
[23:32:56] <skunkworks__> heh - teeth
[23:33:03] <andypugh> I haven't counted.
[23:33:23] <skunkworks__> looks to be 20ish
[23:33:30] <skunkworks__> (guestimate)
[23:34:03] <andypugh> I think it is more than that.
[23:34:37] <andypugh> But looking at the photo, that's what I guess too.
[23:34:51] <skunkworks__> What did you end up for a sensor?
[23:35:25] <andypugh> ATS667. It seems to be the only one that there is, really.
[23:35:58] <Tom_L> you'd think there would be a competing part
[23:36:04] <Tom_L> i couldn't find one
[23:36:18] <andypugh> Strange, isn't it?
[23:36:27] <Tom_L> yup
[23:36:31] <skunkworks__> maybe it iis hard to get right...
[23:36:39] <andypugh> Maybe they don't work..
[23:37:15] <skunkworks__> heh - I think jonE has it on his bridgeport and claims it works perfectly
[23:37:20] <Tom_L> maybe other apps add a magnet
[23:37:43] <skunkworks__> he drilled a hole for the index iirc
[23:38:57] <andypugh> Mine is all full of oil and expensive spindle bearings. I didn't want to contaminate it. (I smeared the taps with grease to catch the swarf)
[23:41:11] <Skullworks> live CD with 2.5 installed without eth0 connected - still pooched. - Going with the normal Ubuntu and will run the script.
[23:41:56] <Tom_L> Skullworks how much ram do you have?
[23:42:17] <Tom_L> too much will cause the same thing
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[23:44:03] <Skullworks> 2GB
[23:44:41] <Skullworks> HP d530 3GHZ hyper disable
[23:45:18] <Skullworks> single core :(
[23:45:27] <skunkworks__> can you take out 1gb?
[23:45:36] <Skullworks> really!
[23:46:02] <skunkworks__> (you can put it back once installed)
[23:46:25] <jdh> I thought it did that at 4gig
[23:47:31] <Skullworks> hmm - this load is almost done - I'll grab another HDD and try again - I just brought home about 30 40gb hdd that we don't need as spares at work anymore.
[23:47:50] <Tom_L> 2 gb should be ok
[23:48:04] <Tom_L> well crap, after all that i can't use this pc anyway
[23:48:11] <Tom_L> no parport
[23:48:20] <Tom_L> i'd have sworn it had one
[23:48:48] <r00t4rd3d> get a usb controller :)
[23:48:58] <Tom_L> no
[23:49:50] <Tom_L> i may have a legacy card i can put in it
[23:50:21] <Tom_L> it'll be the wrong buss though
[23:50:56] <Tom_L> it may have one on the mb that needs a plug
[23:51:10] <Skullworks> USB is a dirty word
[23:52:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ncstudio-CNC-3-Axis-USB-Hand-Held-Controller-2-4G-Wireless-/130700398343?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6e59cf07
[23:52:48] <r00t4rd3d> want
[23:53:16] <Skullworks> I need to order a IDC cable for my DM510 to my 7i43
[23:56:51] <Skullworks> other than for a touch probe - wireless on a cnc scares me.
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