#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-07-27

[00:00:17] <skunkworks__> hooked a 1 micron linear scale into the pluto today. Seemed to work
[00:00:24] <skunkworks__> well - it did confirm that there is a problem with it..
[00:00:36] <skunkworks__> *it did seem to confirm
[00:01:04] <andypugh> With the scale or the Pluto?
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[00:01:54] <skunkworks__> scale
[00:03:16] <skunkworks__> I could slide it slowly back and forth and indicate it. the actual position would vary up to .010"
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[00:04:45] <skunkworks__> we have a new head coming... as it seems to do this over the whole travel. (plan to take it apart and clean it too - with the blessing of the scale company)
[00:04:55] <WillenCMD> this is such a vague question but, whats a good alternative to solidworks/solidcam, preferably open source or free
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[00:07:27] <skunkworks__> it has galil motion control with amc drives
[00:09:10] <skunkworks__> it * large format exposing machine that exposes screens for screen printing
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[00:18:50] <andypugh> WillenCMD: I don't think there are any _good_ alternatives, but freeCAD probably comes closest. Alibre is good for the price, but closed-source and windows-only.
[00:19:29] <Tom_itx> is rihno any good for this sort of thing?
[00:19:33] <Tom_itx> never used it myself
[00:19:41] <Tom_itx> probably not cheap either i dunno
[00:19:45] <Tom_itx> rhino
[00:19:50] <andypugh> You could have a look at AutoDesk Inventor Fusion, as that is free and rather slick (but also rather intended as a companion to Inventor)
[00:20:08] <andypugh> (free rather then Free, I should point out)
[00:21:25] <WillenCMD> rhino is great for 3dmodeling but dimiension's can be a pain
[00:21:37] <WillenCMD> thhey do have an add on
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[00:24:05] <r00t4rd3d> 2013 is on the piratebay
[00:24:18] <r00t4rd3d> autodesk
[00:24:23] <WillenCMD> off the coast of florida?
[00:24:45] <WillenCMD> sounds dangerous
[00:26:42] <andypugh> I have a fully-legit Inventor here.
[00:27:09] <WillenCMD> albre doesn't look that bad
[00:27:12] <WillenCMD> alibre*
[00:27:38] <andypugh> I think you can download a trial.
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[00:32:27] <WillenCMD> anyone know what the expert version price is?
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[00:33:24] <WillenCMD> nevermind found it
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[00:35:51] <WillenCMD> wow solidworks professional is 5300, and solidcam is 5k to 15k, i never knew that
[00:36:09] <Tom_itx> yep
[00:36:10] <r00t4rd3d> solidworks sucks too
[00:36:20] <Tom_itx> driven by a limited market
[00:36:41] <WillenCMD> what, i love solidworks, it runs non stop on my computer, i would boot into it with no operating system if possible
[00:37:01] <r00t4rd3d> i didnt like it
[00:37:07] <WillenCMD> i designed my entire house in it, so that i could i design a deck
[00:37:50] <WillenCMD> i even did the grade on the lot
[00:38:24] <Tom_itx> did you cnc a model then?
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[00:38:49] <WillenCMD> lol no, my wife looked at me and just shook her head when she sat down while i wasdoing it
[00:39:34] <WillenCMD> i should though, scale it down buy a block of wood and through into the VMC at work
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[00:40:02] <Tom_itx> i'm sure they'd love sawdust in their coolant
[00:40:12] <WillenCMD> oh, i do it all the time
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[00:41:38] <WillenCMD> dries really nice :), you could almost make another solid block from it
[00:42:49] <WillenCMD> what kills me is the maintanence fee, what are they maintaining?
[00:43:05] <WillenCMD> i haven't updated solidworks and it still runs fine
[00:43:21] <r00t4rd3d> did u pirate it?
[00:43:49] <Tom_itx> we don't condone that here
[00:44:22] <r00t4rd3d> updating pirated software never normally ends up well
[00:44:38] <WillenCMD> i may have accidently done it, it was popup i didn't know what i was doing it said i wwon a free ipod and next thing i know i had soliworks
[00:44:50] <WillenCMD> crazy
[00:45:16] <WillenCMD> my dads compay has it so you could say im borrowing it
[00:45:27] <WillenCMD> company*
[00:45:31] <r00t4rd3d> im sure the licensing is for single computers
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[00:45:56] <WillenCMD> true, bu that single computer s portable
[00:46:04] <WillenCMD> :)
[00:46:40] <WillenCMD> but i leave it there, the copy i have at home i found on the ground at a machine show
[00:46:55] <WillenCMD> someone most of dropped it
[00:48:01] <Tom_itx> and you hunted all over for the owner
[00:48:14] <Tom_itx> just happened they weren't anywhere around :)
[00:48:15] <r00t4rd3d> physically stealing it is probably more of a crime then digitally stealing it.
[00:48:35] <r00t4rd3d> more of a penalty atleast
[00:48:41] <cpresser> those things happen. you cant help it
[00:48:44] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't know
[00:49:22] <WillenCMD> funny story, a local teenage girl here found a money clip with $5000 dollars in it
[00:50:19] <WillenCMD> so here parent's told her to turn it into the police in case someone lost it(of course someone lost it). no one claimed it. So the police kept it, for the police department
[00:50:37] <WillenCMD> she learned a valuble lesson
[00:50:52] <WillenCMD> finder's keeper's looser's weeper's
[00:51:22] <WillenCMD> it was on the news, people were mad that the police department kept it
[00:51:33] <Tom_itx> well some feel they can live above the law and others just abuse their position
[00:52:05] <WillenCMD> i often think that the law is like the spoon in the matrix, extremely flexible
[00:52:16] <WillenCMD> :)
[00:52:54] <WillenCMD> thats why i got so many tickets when i was younger, i wanted to contribute to my local community
[00:53:05] <WillenCMD> im a giver what can i say
[00:56:54] <Jymmm> so are hookers with STD's to share.
[00:57:07] <djdelorie> there is no spoon
[00:57:33] <WillenCMD> so there are no laws?
[00:58:24] <Jymmm> only chaos
[00:58:34] <WillenCMD> how is it that even when my wife is at work, she controls what i watch on tv. Its b.s.
[00:59:01] <Jymmm> WillenCMD: You KNOW you like to watch the soaps... ADMIT IT!!!
[00:59:23] <WillenCMD> 2 shows recording at the same time, project runway and big brother so now i can't watch what i want
[00:59:51] <Jymmm> only one tv?
[01:00:03] <WillenCMD> there is a free 8 axis motion control software, yet my directTV box can only record 2 shows at once..... hmmmm something funny there
[01:00:35] <cpresser> WillenCMD: check VDR (www.tvdr.de). mine does record 8 streams :)
[01:00:51] <skunkworks__> WillenCMD: 9 axis
[01:01:18] <WillenCMD> Yesterday a major glitch in my gladevcp custom machine controller caused a crash that destroyed an 800 dollar encoder
[01:01:23] <Jymmm> WillenCMD: go strem something off the net
[01:01:28] <Jymmm> stream
[01:01:28] <WillenCMD> encoder i mean cutter
[01:02:08] <WillenCMD> of course its in its early early alpha testing, but the operator typed in 48 instead of .048
[01:02:21] <Jymmm> WillenCMD: Blame the QA Dept for it.
[01:02:27] <WillenCMD> he's more of the setup guy not the operator
[01:02:51] <Jymmm> Blame the creator of the custom setupthen
[01:03:43] <Jymmm> I hear he's a TV-Less slimeball anyway =)
[01:03:55] <WillenCMD> so my dad, the owner my company's first customer starts yelling at me, thats not going to work we can't have that... i looked at him and laughed we have 6 cnc lathes, 2 citizen swiss lathes. all are more than happy to run into the spindle or the machine wall when a wrong z move is given and those machines are $300k
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[01:04:59] <alex4nder> yah, seriously
[01:05:51] <WillenCMD> i told him since this machine i designed for him was only $5000 and a cutter is $800 i can break 368.7 more cutters
[01:06:04] <WillenCMD> its only fair
[01:06:22] <alex4nder> what is he doing with it?
[01:06:37] <WillenCMD> its a gear shaper, shapes cluster gears and internal gears
[01:06:45] <alex4nder> ag
[01:06:46] <alex4nder> er ah
[01:07:20] <WillenCMD> the one they originally had was, hand operated and made about 6 - 15 parts an hour depending on the part
[01:07:42] <WillenCMD> the one today used to get 8 an hour, now it gets 22 and the operator is doing something secondary
[01:07:53] <WillenCMD> pretty good savings
[01:08:48] <WillenCMD> i have to admit thoug, it was my first and still is the guinea pig for new features, before i implement them on the other machines i designed for customer's who aren't my father
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[01:13:49] <WillenCMD> wow alibre is very very similar to solidworks
[01:15:07] <Jymmm> My alcohol stove arrrived... I like it!!! 1/2oz of alcohol burned for 6m =)
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[01:24:23] <r00t4rd3d> do you camp or something?
[01:24:29] <r00t4rd3d> in the mountains
[01:24:47] <Tom_itx> he's stocking up for bad times
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[01:25:49] <r00t4rd3d> did you acutally buy one?
[01:25:49] <r00t4rd3d> they can be made super simple
[01:25:49] <skunkworks__> from what I understand - you can have the 1 solid works licsence on 2 computers - your work and your personal
[01:25:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: only till dec =)
[01:26:15] <Tom_itx> Jymmm did you stock up in 1999 too?
[01:26:44] <Tom_itx> my friend's dad in law did :)
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[01:27:11] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I did, with all the contract work for y2k, made a buttload of money =)
[01:27:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Actually, I dont buy into any of that hype
[01:28:21] <Jymmm> I frown upon it actually
[01:28:56] <Tom_itx> money was made on it
[01:29:04] <TheLarch> the DRM on those tools are generally fixed pretty easily once you know where to look
[01:29:36] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=431851&highlight=stove
[01:29:46] <r00t4rd3d> i remember reading about those some time ago
[01:30:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: shitloads. But NOW, it's not so much Myan calendar crap as much as the emergency services that we've always dependant upon, just won't be there any more.
[01:31:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Federal, State, County and City all say to have a kit. Why? Cause they know you'll be up shit creek =)
[01:31:23] <Jymmm> http://ready.gov/ is a good example.
[01:31:41] * r00t4rd3d ushers Jymmm back to the hospital
[01:32:08] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: No need, I have all the meds I could ever need =)
[01:32:22] <r00t4rd3d> well you have to take them for them to be effective.
[01:32:31] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: And an embroidered straight jacket too biotch!
[01:32:51] <r00t4rd3d> try it on
[01:33:00] <Jymmm> perfect fit
[01:33:41] <r00t4rd3d> i need to vacuum
[01:34:07] <Jymmm> During Loma Pirita EQ, the stores were selling a gallon of water for $20. There were no emergency services available. broken galss everywhere
[01:34:26] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna build a near silent vacuum with a smallish blower motor i got
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[01:35:31] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loma_Prieta_earthquake
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[01:36:42] <TheLarch> http://greenecon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/table1b.jpg why not just burn oil?
[01:36:54] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com/BillsWing/BillsSandingTable.html
[01:37:03] <Jymmm> just last month, the subway tunnel that goes under the Bay had a fire. Shut down the subway for 8 hours, and all the freeways were backed up for about 10 hours.
[01:37:22] <Jymmm> TheLarch: Can't really use indoors.
[01:37:39] <Jymmm> TheLarch: lot of soot
[01:37:46] <r00t4rd3d> use HEET
[01:37:48] <r00t4rd3d> no soot
[01:38:06] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: denatured alcohol by the gallon =)
[01:38:14] <TheLarch> ah, i thought this was for outdoor use
[01:38:22] <Jymmm> TheLarch: both actually
[01:39:00] <Jymmm> I also have haxamine, trioxane, propane, gasoline, mineral oil
[01:39:20] <Jymmm> butane
[01:39:21] <TheLarch> indoors without any natural gas? or during Armageddon or something?
[01:39:28] <Jymmm> kerosene
[01:39:28] <Tom_itx> they might mistake you for a terrorist
[01:39:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: pyro yes, terrorist/arsonist no.
[01:40:17] <Jymmm> TheLarch: Did you read the damaged that was done? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Loma_Prieta_earthquake
[01:40:53] <Jymmm> TheLarch: Lots of services/utilities not available or in limited supply.
[01:41:20] <Jymmm> TheLarch: This isn't a "what if", as much as a "will it happen again"
[01:41:26] <Jymmm> or WHEN not will
[01:42:05] <Tom_itx> well it _is_ Calior n i a
[01:42:09] <Jymmm> Then there's "The Big One" that is suppose to happen every 100 years and is over due.
[01:42:14] <Tom_itx> +f
[01:42:29] <TheLarch> New Madrid
[01:42:50] <Tom_itx> we had one in okc that i felt and that has never happened here
[01:43:08] <Jymmm> We have had torandos touch down in the last few years
[01:43:20] <Jymmm> tornados, in Calif!? wth
[01:46:56] <r00t4rd3d> the worlds ending dude, run!
[01:47:31] <Jymmm> Catch it!
[01:48:03] <Tom_itx> catch the next ride
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[01:48:58] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d, where the cuts, brah
[01:49:43] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/U6jsG.jpg
[01:49:46] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[01:50:14] <r00t4rd3d> 9mm OSB
[01:50:34] <r00t4rd3d> i modeled that myself!
[01:50:49] <TheLarch> has anyone in the US ever had to pay import duties on any machine tool parts from China?
[01:50:55] <r00t4rd3d> no
[01:51:53] <ReadError> i think only if declared value is over 1k
[01:51:56] <ReadError> you gotta pay
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[01:52:43] <ReadError> the hell you gonna do with a wooden gun ? lol
[01:53:25] <r00t4rd3d> sell them to the crackheads
[01:53:53] <r00t4rd3d> for robberies and what no
[01:53:55] <r00t4rd3d> not
[01:54:41] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna make it layered with more detail
[01:54:53] <r00t4rd3d> that was just a practice one
[01:54:58] <r00t4rd3d> in scrap
[01:55:11] <alex4nder> wooden gun?
[01:55:21] <alex4nder> haha
[01:55:24] <alex4nder> I see.
[01:55:37] <ReadError> crack heads can get real guns, for $50
[01:55:47] <ReadError> same charge for a wooden one
[01:55:53] <r00t4rd3d> i will undercut them and sell for 10
[01:56:06] <r00t4rd3d> mines safer too
[01:56:08] <TheLarch> harmonized code 848340 ballscrews
[01:56:51] <r00t4rd3d> alex4nder, http://www.cncguns.com/downloads.html
[01:57:02] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: yah, I've built .. several.
[01:57:05] <r00t4rd3d> if you have a machine that will do metal...
[01:57:35] <alex4nder> that was part of the reason I got my mill.
[01:57:53] <ReadError> lol
[01:57:58] <ReadError> to make wooden guns?
[01:58:04] <alex4nder> the metal kind
[01:58:44] <r00t4rd3d> they got a wooden gatlin rubberband gun plans somewhere
[01:59:38] <r00t4rd3d> wow i wrote that well
[02:00:54] <Connor> jdh: You around ?
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[02:05:13] <jdh> somewhat
[02:05:40] <r00t4rd3d> you watching porn?
[02:05:47] <jdh> did I mention that 24,000 BTU's does wonders for my garage
[02:06:06] <r00t4rd3d> you need heat?
[02:06:08] <jdh> nope, tearing down my rebreather and swapping some oxygen sensors
[02:06:09] <Jymmm> jdh: I hope that's in AC
[02:06:27] <jdh> yep
[02:07:01] <Jymmm> jdh: Jsut think if it like this, in the winter time, just reverse the AC and you'll have heat too =)
[02:07:07] <Jymmm> s/if/of/
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[02:07:20] <jdh> it doesn't get that cold here
[02:07:36] <Jymmm> it does here
[02:07:46] <jdh> I'd move.
[02:07:57] <jdh> ocean temp is 82F :)
[02:08:17] <Jymmm> jdh: FL ?
[02:08:25] <TheLarch> the import duty on ballscrews into the US is 3.8%, most machine parts seem to be in the 2-4% range
[02:08:29] <jdh> .nc.us
[02:08:45] <jdh> TheLarch: I paid no duty on mine, but they were only $200
[02:08:46] <Jymmm> jdh: Eeeesh, all that humitity, no thanks!
[02:08:47] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.kids-coloring-pages.info/image/mario-coloring-pages-8.jpg
[02:09:16] <TheLarch> under $250 is free
[02:09:16] <Tom_itx> rather have hurricanes over earthquakes?
[02:09:44] <jdh> I'd prefer neither, but I've been through plenty of hurricanes
[02:09:57] <Jymmm> ditto for EQ's
[02:10:15] <TheLarch> I was just looking at the costs for importing $200K would be
[02:10:28] <Jymmm> the thing about hurricanes is you have a warning, EQ no warning
[02:10:52] <jdh> probably a little more than my $200 :)
[02:11:12] <jdh> what are you going to do with $200k worht of cheap chinese ball screws?
[02:11:25] <jdh> saturate the market for mediocre hardware?
[02:11:32] <TheLarch> $7600 for $200K
[02:12:40] <jdh> connor: whatcha working on?
[02:13:38] <r00t4rd3d> probably a beer buzz
[02:13:57] <TheLarch> jdh: comparing the costs between lead screws and ball screws for low duty consumer devices
[02:14:40] <TheLarch> the machine tools in China are the same they use in the US
[02:15:25] <Jymmm> Whats a cheap source for SS rod? 2mm would be fine.
[02:15:54] <TheLarch> ball screws and lead screws are not very labor intensive to produce, it's mostly automated
[02:16:56] <TheLarch> the US hasn't run out of scrap steel yet
[02:17:54] <TheLarch> yet USA vs China pricing is ~20-50% apart
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[02:24:55] <r00t4rd3d> anyone live in kansas?
[02:25:07] <r00t4rd3d> and if so can I come live with you?
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[02:26:13] <r00t4rd3d> i would probably allow myself to be abused somewhat for 1gb/sec.
[02:26:34] <theorbtwo> r00t4rd3d: Kansas City, not Kansas.
[02:27:08] <r00t4rd3d> im sure it will spread quickly
[02:27:14] <r00t4rd3d> like a good vd
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[02:31:43] <tjb1> still sittin in the damn dark
[02:32:07] <r00t4rd3d> light a candle
[02:32:57] <ReadError> a crackhead told r00t4rd3d once after purchasing a wooden handgun, a rock glows with the light of 1000 candles
[02:32:58] <r00t4rd3d> are you sure they know there is an outage in your area?
[02:33:20] <r00t4rd3d> dont make me fucking shoot you
[02:33:24] <r00t4rd3d> BANG
[02:33:30] <r00t4rd3d> to late
[02:33:43] * ReadError dies of splinter
[02:34:01] <r00t4rd3d> it would probably hurt if i threw it at you
[02:36:05] <tjb1> yes im sure
[02:36:09] <tjb1> i have called and told them
[02:36:20] <tjb1> but sadly I can toss a bowling ball and hit a house with power...
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[02:36:57] <ReadError> generator ;)
[02:37:21] <tjb1> Nope
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[02:39:43] <tjb1> I went up the road and all the houses that pull from the one phase of power have power
[02:39:49] <tjb1> ours pulls from a different one and no power...
[02:40:32] <Tom_itx> backup gen
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[02:41:57] <tjb1> We have called them, they arent using a generator
[02:42:09] <Tom_itx> you should have one
[02:42:20] <tjb1> We lose power once a year if that
[02:45:00] <uw> lol onewire power?
[02:45:05] <uw> wow you must live out there
[02:45:09] <uw> they still do that
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[02:46:19] <tjb1> 1 wire power?
[02:48:08] <uw> i thought you ment 1 wire power
[02:48:25] <tjb1> There are 4 wires on the pole
[02:48:33] <tjb1> 3 phase correct?
[02:48:50] <uw> for y grid yes
[02:48:58] <uw> delta grid is 3 wires?
[02:49:16] <uw> some places only have 1 wire power though
[02:49:24] <tjb1> Well our transformer taps off the middle wire
[02:49:29] <tjb1> we did until last year
[02:49:39] <tjb1> the places with power tap off the left wire
[02:50:00] <uw> ok gotcha
[02:50:05] <tjb1> Wouldnt that screw up a machine if all 3 phases arent on?
[02:50:28] <tjb1> Or do they install something for 3 phase customers that shuts the power off if all 3 phases arent working
[02:50:33] <uw> ive ran stuff off of 2 of 3 phases?
[02:51:00] <uw> not recommened though
[02:51:15] <uw> probably what you mentioned there
[02:52:05] <uw> transformers at the pole or wherever might have a way of detecting shorted or down line, and would break the rest
[02:52:08] <uw> eh forget that
[02:52:17] <uw> too much speculation, i really dont know
[02:52:35] <tjb1> There was a tornado not too far away
[02:52:42] <tjb1> Probably gonna be a while before I get power back
[02:52:56] <Tom_itx> where are you?
[02:53:00] <uw> yea i lost it a few hrs ago too
[02:53:02] <tjb1> http://www.unitedpa.com/Outage_Status.htm
[02:53:05] <tjb1> central pa
[02:53:17] <uw> ha nj here
[02:53:27] <uw> generator is working thankfully
[02:53:36] <tjb1> No major outages at this time, hahaha
[02:55:14] <Connor> jdh got the adapter for the regulator. HP hose is messed up though.. leak is at the crimp..
[02:59:18] <jdh> that's a weird place for a leak. Sure it isn't just the inner o-ring on the spool?
[02:59:21] <tjb1> uw: looks like were in for some more trouble
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[03:00:00] <uw> the next 5 days looks terrible
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[03:00:19] <uw> i just pulled the motor in my truck on tuesday too...
[03:00:34] <tjb1> i really hope i have power when i wake up
[03:00:45] <ReadError> you wont sleep without AC
[03:00:55] <tjb1> i know :(
[03:01:44] <jdh> I have a little non-electronic A/C that will run off my generator for post-hurricane bliss
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[03:03:57] <uw> yea im just going to take a shower before i go to bed, the wake up tomorrow and take another shower
[03:04:02] <uw> poor mans a/c
[03:04:14] <jdh> better than nothing!
[03:04:24] <jdh> supposed to be 100+ here tomorrow
[03:04:46] <uw> where are you jdh?
[03:04:58] <jdh> wilmington.nc.us
[03:05:19] <uw> oh yea, i bet 100
[03:05:28] <uw> supposed to be low/mid 90s up here
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[03:09:08] <tjb1> i cant even use water :)
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[03:19:49] <Connor> jdh No. I took it to the shop.. It's at the rear of the chrimp.
[03:19:52] <Connor> crimp
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[03:30:23] <jdh> what shop?
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[04:27:16] <r00t4rd3d> jt shop
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[04:44:18] <Connor> jdh: Dive Show.. Took it to Rheas dicing.
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[06:54:50] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:26:21] <pingufan> Good morning. My harddisk in my CNC mill died and now I want to replace it with a SD-card -> IDE Converter or a CF-card -> IDE converter plus card. Is ths working fine? All data (CNC jobs) come over Ethernet, I only have the system on the card. What is the minimum size the card must have?
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[07:30:34] <pingufan> Is 2GB SD-Card or CF-Card sufficient to install and run Linux-CNC?
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[07:39:05] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[13:35:31] <amaldo> Anyone from Europe around? I would like to get a small 3 axis CNC machine for light robotics work, and was looking at the Tormach, but it seems they don't have CE markings. So any other options? Or has anyone been able to import one?
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[13:40:06] <jdh> Syil claims CE
[13:40:33] <jdh> http://www.syilamerica.com/product_docs/MachineDocs/X4/X4_series_CE_Certification.pdf
[13:40:50] <amaldo> jdh: thanks for the info. Will look into the brand.
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[13:41:28] <jdh> I could engrave "CE" on my G0704 and send it to you.
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[13:42:10] <amaldo> jdh: :) If that works for the import officers, why not?
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[14:48:26] <tjb1> Power is back :D
[14:48:48] <jdh> cool
[14:48:53] <jdh> crank up the a/c :)
[14:50:07] <tjb1> I woke up and heard the ac was like no way, am I dreaming?
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[14:51:03] <tjb1> http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/304707_4343706232174_1033791622_n.jpg
[14:51:14] <tjb1> Thats not too far away from me
[14:52:16] <jdh> humidity was 92% when I left this morning
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[14:52:48] <tjb1> I slept on the kitchen floor
[14:54:10] <tjb1> I am stiff.
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[14:58:20] <Tom_itx> funny how the wind pushes the lightening as well as the tornado
[15:00:27] <tjb1> Im just surprised we got power back this fast
[15:01:02] <Tom_itx> i was out over 2 weeks during an ice storm once
[15:01:18] <Tom_itx> generally hail/tornados don't take quite as long
[15:01:28] <Tom_itx> maybe 2 to 4 days
[15:01:48] <tjb1> We use to lose power when it rained before then ran the new lines
[15:01:51] <Tom_itx> we're generally one of the last to get power back
[15:02:35] <amaldo> Tom_itx: tjb1: Just out of curiosity, where are you guys located? I live in Munich, and there has not been one power outage in the building in the 7 years that I've been here.
[15:02:46] <Tom_itx> central US
[15:02:48] <tjb1> clearfield, pa
[15:02:48] <syyl> amaldo?
[15:02:50] <syyl> munich?
[15:03:05] <syyl> im near regensburg...
[15:03:11] <amaldo> syyl: Yes? In Germany.
[15:03:24] <amaldo> syyl: Cool. I'm working at the TUM (Technische Universitaet Muenchen)
[15:04:09] <amaldo> Tom_itx: tjb1: Amazing. How big are the cities? Here all hell would break loose if there was no power for more than a couple of hours.
[15:04:22] <Tom_itx> 500k
[15:04:35] <tjb1> I dont live in a city
[15:05:36] <tjb1> 20 houses on my 4 mile road
[15:05:58] <amaldo> tjb1: I was expecting that... Then it takes longer for the companies to fix things, they first have to reach you.
[15:06:14] <amaldo> Tom_itx: How was it when you had no power for 2 weeks? Sounds like a zombie apocalipse. :)
[15:06:23] <tjb1> It was nothing around here but I didnt drive far enough to see where it was
[15:06:29] <syyl> sounds like a lot of candles ;)
[15:06:38] <tjb1> Tom_itx: at least when the power goes out in the winter you can sleep
[15:07:35] <amaldo> syyl: Do you have a machine running linuxCNC? I'm new to this (coming from EE, robotics) and I am curious to see which machines people have in Europe.
[15:07:47] <syyl> of course :)
[15:07:59] <syyl> i run a retrofitted deckel g2 engraving machine..
[15:08:11] <syyl> linuxcnc, mesa and closed loop steppers
[15:08:53] <amaldo> syyl: closed-loop steppers? Do they have an optical encoder on the axe? Sounds like a well done setup.
[15:09:08] <syyl> a linear scale on the axis
[15:09:20] <syyl> i am pretty happy with it
[15:09:22] <syyl> :)
[15:10:00] <syyl> http://gtwr.de/werkstatt_panorama.jpg
[15:10:02] <amaldo> syyl: Is your machine older than 90 years?
[15:10:09] <syyl> on the very right you can see the machine
[15:10:24] <syyl> mh, 1927 if i remember correct..
[15:10:39] <amaldo> syyl: I was almost right. What a jewel!
[15:10:43] <tjb1> tile floor in the workshop eh
[15:10:54] <syyl> its like hell, tjb1
[15:11:03] <syyl> horrible to keep clean
[15:11:07] <amaldo> syyl: I guess you posted to madmodder before. Google found the machine there.
[15:11:10] <tjb1> Did you lay it? :P
[15:11:19] <syyl> of course :D
[15:11:24] <tjb1> That sucks doesnt it
[15:11:24] <syyl> yes, amaldo
[15:11:29] <syyl> a bit :D
[15:11:43] <amaldo> syyl: Niiice setup. :)
[15:12:09] <syyl> thank you :)
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[15:13:24] * amaldo hopes to someday have a workshop like that at work.
[15:14:10] <syyl> :)
[15:14:19] <syyl> i want to expand some day :D
[15:14:29] <syyl> more room and serious machinery..
[15:14:31] <amaldo> syyl: and what do you do with such nice tools? Are you contracting?
[15:14:39] <syyl> naa, just for hobbie
[15:15:00] <syyl> model engineering and random tinkering :D
[15:15:09] <syyl> more the later..
[15:16:53] <amaldo> syyl: awesome. Just so you know, you are better equipped that most labs here at the university doing robotics. We often have to hire shops for parts.
[15:17:05] <syyl> what? realy?
[15:17:20] <syyl> the workshop at our university is very well equiped
[15:17:27] <syyl> with 10 machinists or so
[15:17:46] <amaldo> syyl: We are doing robotics in the computer science faculty, that is the source of the problem. The people over at mechanical engineering have it good.
[15:17:57] <syyl> ah, ok
[15:18:03] <syyl> that explains something :D
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[15:18:44] <amaldo> syyl: yep, but something very similar happens also to the people over at electrical engineering, they have a shop for the whole faculty, so it is hard to get parts done.
[15:19:24] <amaldo> syyl: and the funny/sad thing is that most people doing robotics are either in CS or EE.
[15:19:43] <syyl> :(
[15:21:03] <tjb1> Are the mounts on the back of a monitor standard?
[15:21:19] <syyl> yes
[15:21:25] <syyl> the four-bolt-pattern?
[15:21:32] <syyl> google for vesa mount
[15:21:33] <tjb1> Yes and the opening
[15:22:51] <tjb1> http://d3d71ba2asa5oz.cloudfront.net/43000231/images/et1515l%20(4).jpg
[15:23:00] <tjb1> That is standard syyl ^
[15:23:30] <syyl> :)
[15:23:54] <tjb1> Thanks
[15:24:00] <tjb1> Off to find a mount now :)
[15:24:07] <syyl> make one!
[15:24:21] <syyl> heavy steel, plasmacutter, some welding.. :D
[15:24:33] <jdh> or buy one dirtcheap from monoprice.com
[15:24:45] <syyl> thats the easy way :D
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[15:26:07] <jdh> $8-10 for a mount... sure.
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[15:26:34] <tjb1> Anything like this jdh? http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-TV-Monitor-Tilt-Articulating-Arm-Wall-Mount-Bracket-15-17-19-21-22-23-1E9-/360397146995?pt=US_TV_Mounts_Brackets&hash=item53e9580b73#ht_3067wt_1165
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[15:27:37] <jdh> sure, but about the same price.
[15:28:56] <tjb1> I want one that fits the 75x75 only so it will fit in the hole
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[16:01:54] <joe9> i am deciding on which step block to buy from here http://www.te-co.com/Default.aspx?CategoryID=PG1012 It appears that I should buy the biggest available.
[16:02:08] <joe9> Is there any reason to go for the smaller size step block?
[16:02:32] <joe9> I am thinking of 40104, though for my purposes now 40102 will suffice.
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[16:02:46] <joe9> other than cost, is there something else that goes into this decision?
[16:04:44] <cradek> they have a minimum height - see the range it shows in the table
[16:04:54] <cradek> so no, the biggest available is not necessarily what you want
[16:05:07] <cradek> you probably want a full clamping set, which will have a nice useful variety
[16:06:06] <cradek> http://www.te-co.com/Machinist+Clamp+Kits-C-PG1005-C-.aspx
[16:06:39] <cradek> get the kit that matches your T slot size (which is proportional to your machine size) and you'll have a useful set for most tasks
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[16:07:17] <joe9> cradek, my T-slot size is 6mm and I am getting the t-slots separately, as I could not find a vendor with clamping kits for a taig.
[16:07:30] <joe9> cradek: i am checking up on the minimum height and they do not seem to have one.
[16:07:51] <joe9> the range is the max height availability
[16:07:59] <joe9> when vertical on horizontal.
[16:08:30] <joe9> cradek: i am not questioning what you said just trying to understand where/what the minimum height is.
[16:09:32] <joe9> "Height Adj. Range" is what they are calling it.
[16:09:38] <joe9> the more the better, it seems.
[16:10:02] <joe9> and all the step blocks have steps of 1/16inch or 1/8 inch (the other way).
[16:11:35] <alex4nder> joe9: http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1943&category=
[16:11:54] <alex4nder> probably as close to a kit as you'll find for the taig.
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[16:15:59] <joe9> alex4nder: that is a good find. thanks. I was checking out their clamping kit and noticed that it was on backorder.
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[16:43:52] <Jymmm> This is pretty good... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ4k7wxYqCo&feature=share
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[16:52:50] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[16:54:18] <Jymmm> Is shellac the ONLY alcohol based clear coat?
[16:54:46] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Is shellac the ONLY alcohol based clear coat?
[16:56:35] <IchGuckLive> every guitar stor has shellac in its storige
[16:57:23] <Jymmm> It's expensive though. And I can't find shellac powder locally
[16:59:58] <djdelorie> Jymmm: I don't know
[17:00:11] <djdelorie> I get mine at the paint store, by the gallon
[17:00:23] <Jymmm> djdelorie: shellac?
[17:00:27] <djdelorie> yu
[17:00:30] <djdelorie> yup
[17:01:10] <djdelorie> our local hardware store carries it too
[17:01:11] <Jymmm> djdelorie: I need very little, so I was thinking powder. Especially since prepared shellac has a 3yr shelf life.
[17:01:32] <IchGuckLive> shellac is not delivert as a fluid
[17:01:35] <djdelorie> so buy a quart instead :-)
[17:01:47] <djdelorie> shellac is often delivered as a fluid
[17:01:49] <Jymmm> $15 per qt.
[17:01:56] <Jymmm> Yes, I know.
[17:02:08] <Jymmm> but there is also flake and powde
[17:02:11] <Jymmm> r
[17:02:31] <IchGuckLive> shellac is not stable as fluid under air
[17:02:53] <djdelorie> IchGuckLive: you can just add more alcohol to restore it
[17:03:01] <djdelorie> Jymmm: $8 a gallon
[17:03:02] <Jymmm> djdelorie: do you find your settles alot, meaning you have to mix it well?
[17:03:10] <djdelorie> I haven't mixed mine yet
[17:03:30] <Jymmm> djdelorie: veryexpensive here for some reason. $8/gal would be great.
[17:03:31] <djdelorie> shellac is a solution, not a suspension
[17:04:03] <djdelorie> Zissner $10/qt
[17:04:14] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Ok. Just when I shook the can in the store it didn't feel right =)
[17:04:40] <Jymmm> Yep, but $14/qt instead of $8/gal
[17:04:42] <djdelorie> you can get shellac in spray cans too
[17:04:49] <Jymmm> I need liquid
[17:05:12] <Jymmm> I'd love powder
[17:05:38] <jdh> probably wouldn't be good for your nasal passages.
[17:06:15] <Jymmm> jdh: come on man, go do a line of baking powder!
[17:06:45] <TheLarch> why the need for an ancient biopolymer?
[17:07:08] <Jymmm> I need an alcohol based clear coat
[17:07:29] <jdh> why alcohol
[17:07:53] <Jymmm> fast drying
[17:08:11] <pcw_home> because it easy to remove for repairs? same reason you don't glue violins with epoxy
[17:08:14] <jdh> acetone is fast dring
[17:08:27] <Jymmm> leaves a residue
[17:09:02] <Jymmm> and is toxic compared to alcohol
[17:11:10] <archivist> I just need alcohol :)
[17:11:36] * jdh hands out a few liters of EverClear(tm)
[17:11:57] <jdh> aged over 30 minutes in glass bottles.
[17:12:08] <TheLarch> Jymmm: are you brushing this on?
[17:12:10] <alex4nder> jdh: the burn lets you know it's workig.
[17:12:17] <djdelorie> everclear is the solvent of choice for making food-safe shellac finishes.
[17:12:47] <Jymmm> djdelorie: and 190 proof is ILLEGAL in Calif, 151 proof is legal
[17:13:01] <jdh> .ca.us is so protective.
[17:13:02] <Jymmm> TheLarch: no, dipping.
[17:13:28] <Jymmm> jdh: s/protective/fubared/
[17:13:31] <djdelorie> CA is such a nanny state
[17:13:41] <djdelorie> NH is "Live Free Or Die" :-)
[17:14:09] <Jymmm> We have legal pot! (alot of good that's gonna do me...not)
[17:14:17] <jdh> Connor: where did you get your R8 3-jaw chuck?
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[17:14:30] <Connor> Ebay
[17:14:36] <TheLarch> yet CA has a smoking ban in most places yet cannabis is available by prescription
[17:14:46] <jdh> I can't find one.
[17:14:54] <Connor> VERY hard to find
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[17:15:09] <alex4nder> TheLarch: you can't smoke weed the same places you can't smoke tobacco
[17:15:09] <jdh> I used to see them all the time when I didn't want one.
[17:15:40] <TheLarch> alex4nder, otherwise it might make sense
[17:15:53] <Jymmm> And get this.... IF you have kids and smoke in the house you can be cited for CHILD ENDANGERMENT
[17:16:46] <TheLarch> and no bans on fast food yet i CA?
[17:16:52] <TheLarch> i/in
[17:17:04] <Jymmm> TheLarch: Oh, there are. By City based.
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[17:17:36] <alex4nder> kids should just be able to sue their parents
[17:17:40] <Jymmm> TheLarch: http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2011/11/happy_meal_ban_mcdonalds_outsm.php
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[17:17:52] <Jymmm> alex4nder: kramer vs kramer
[17:18:05] <alex4nder> yes
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[17:21:28] <TheLarch> Jymmm: UV cured coating are available in 100% solids with zero VOC's, think of the children
[17:23:07] <Jymmm> lol
[17:23:42] <Jymmm> Anyone want to make fireworks? http://www.skylighter.com/mall/chemicals.asp
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[17:24:27] <TheLarch> http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9923955 ethanol msds
[17:25:08] <Jymmm> jdh: DUDE! Check it out... Pharmaceutical grade!!! http://www.skylighter.com/calcium-carbonate.htm
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[17:29:53] <Connor> jdh: Whatcha thinking of doing with the R8 3 Jaw ?
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[17:37:07] <jdh> making TTS type holders
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[17:38:03] <Connor> Ahh.
[17:38:14] <Connor> Yea. I might try that at some point too.
[17:38:20] <jdh> I can turn the shank down in the lathe, then drill/bore in place on the mill.
[17:38:35] <Connor> How are you going to center it ?
[17:38:38] <jdh> but, turning the shank would be much easier on a cnc'ed platform.
[17:39:07] <jdh> good question. I'm open to suggestions :)
[17:39:17] <Connor> I never came up with one.
[17:40:08] <Connor> Almost as if you need a collet holder on the table.. and you do a similar alignment procedure that you would on a lathe using a bar between centers.. ?
[17:40:09] <Jymmm> Woof? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i4gzIeMOfQ&feature=player_embedded
[17:40:09] <jdh> could center drill in the lathe, then use that as the reference.
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[17:41:11] <DJ9DJ> re
[17:44:21] <Jymmm> SAY WHAT?! (Read the description) http://www.skylighter.com/nitrocellulose-lacquer-1-pint.htm
[17:46:16] <jdh> connor: http://www.jtsmach.com/jtswebshop/Workholding/LC134.asp?prodcode=LC134 Yours look like that?
[17:47:22] <Connor> not really, but, that picture is generic.. That might be the 5C shank..
[17:47:43] <Connor> Mine did come with both inside and outisde jaws.
[17:47:46] <jdh> looks like it.
[17:48:15] <jdh> wonder why the 4" is $30 more than the 3"
[17:48:40] <Connor> Huh?
[17:48:51] <Connor> Oh.
[17:49:06] <Connor> I'm noticing that the 3" is more than the 4"
[17:49:22] <Connor> 3" is 125. 4" is 95.
[17:49:38] <jdh> heh... I said it the wrong way.
[17:55:00] <jdh> I can't find any 800watt anymore
[17:59:30] <Jymmm> 800W what?
[17:59:50] <Jymmm> (heh, try saying that fast 3x)
[18:01:35] <Connor> 800watt was ebay seller.
[18:01:52] <Connor> who carried 4" 3aw chucks with R8 shanks.
[18:01:56] <IchGuckLive> 800w spindle ?
[18:02:04] <Connor> No.
[18:02:08] <Connor> that was his alias
[18:02:17] <jdh> http://www.ebay.com/itm/130733406389
[18:02:49] <jdh> guess I woudl need a tiny borign bar too
[18:02:59] <Connor> Why does it say Digital ?
[18:03:24] <Connor> That looks very much like a analog to me. :)
[18:04:38] <Connor> jdh: Or Reamer. I think the holes go all the way through too.. I'll look in just a few
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[18:07:21] <IchGuckLive> ok olympia is starting in Europ have a nice weekend
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[18:08:25] <archivist> this man needs a cnc http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2012/2012_07_27_York_Stonemasons/IMG_1280.JPG six weeks work so far
[18:09:04] <archivist> York Mister stonemasons at work
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[18:09:09] <archivist> minster
[18:14:30] <jdh> or a mold
[18:15:07] <Connor> jdh: http://www.shars.com/products/view/2119/12quot_Electronic_Height_Gage
[18:16:10] <jdh> I just liked the title/description.
[18:18:54] <Connor> AH.
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[20:14:48] <andypugh> This Olympic opening ceremony is quite good. I am vaguely surprised.
[20:15:32] <Tom_itx> i don't think we get to see it until later, i'm not sure
[20:18:32] <cpresser> http://olympia.ard.de/apps/java/london2012/liveplayer/index.html (might now work outside germany)
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[20:25:10] <TheLarch> "For legal reasons, access to the desired medium from a location outside of Germany is not possible."
[20:25:19] <TheLarch> time for a VPN
[20:26:33] * cpresser will trade a VPN access. i offer germany and want US :)
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[20:28:29] <Jymmm> For future reference US Only http://www.nbcolympics.com/online-listings/live/index.html
[20:32:14] <Jymmm> fucking search engine spam or places that thought they would benefit by offering live streams but dont have the bandwidth
[20:34:07] <Jymmm> This is fucked up http://londonolympic2012tv.com/
[20:34:25] <Jymmm> it's just to sell you some software DVR
[20:35:49] <Jymmm> On NBC will air at 7:30 p.m. Pacific and Eastern time in the U.S.
[20:36:00] <Jymmm> till midnight
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[21:03:31] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[21:09:49] <andypugh> Tim Berners-Lee live on stage was a surprise!
[21:11:24] <Jymmm> No, him DEAD on stage would be a surprise!
[21:12:28] <cpresser> or somebody dressed as batman on the stage
[21:12:48] <Jymmm> Joker would be cool though
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[21:50:31] <Tom_itx> anybody know a good source for bicycle shifer assembly drawings?
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[22:36:27] <r00t4rd3d> shhhh, im hunting wabbit
[23:00:41] <ReadError> be vewy vewy qwuet
[23:07:27] <alex4nder> sup
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[23:14:06] <ReadError> nm nm
[23:14:18] <ReadError> trying to find some surface mount RGB LEDs that arent a rip off
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[23:31:11] <andypugh> ReadError: What do you consider a rip off?
[23:31:12] <andypugh> http://uk.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Cree-Inc/CLV1A-FKB-CHMKPEHBB7A363/?qs=3AcK5DacLbrSSGpSW8Ip0pI3gefxnUxBZreuBUtaT4c%3d
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[23:55:01] <WillenCMD> stupid quesiton but im sitting here with a 4n38 optocoupler, wondering how to tell what pins are what.
[23:55:17] <r00t4rd3d> datasheet
[23:55:20] <WillenCMD> i have the schematic, but it just says top view. there are two ways to view it
[23:55:51] <WillenCMD> there is a notch on one side
[23:55:54] <r00t4rd3d> what are the pins, out puts, in puts?
[23:56:37] <WillenCMD> http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/toshiba/2211.pdf
[23:57:39] <r00t4rd3d> look at the chip, is one side angled more?
[23:57:41] <andypugh> It has one sloping side
[23:58:12] <r00t4rd3d> newbs i tell ya
[23:58:16] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[23:58:30] <WillenCMD> isn't everyone new at one point in time?
[23:58:32] <WillenCMD> :)
[23:58:38] <r00t4rd3d> you see it now?
[23:58:54] <WillenCMD> no
[23:58:59] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[23:59:00] <andypugh> I haven't seen one marked that way before, though.
[23:59:26] <WillenCMD> it stands straight up, they can write all those numbers on it, but they can't put the number one above one pin
[23:59:29] <WillenCMD> seriously
[23:59:37] <r00t4rd3d> look at the datasheet, top page, the side view
[23:59:56] <andypugh> The edge with pin 1 is chamfered at a different angle.