#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-06-09

[00:01:48] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kerry-Screwcutting-Metal-Lathe-5-radius-x-23-Excellent-Condition-/160815288194?_trksid=p4340.m1374&_trkparms=algo%3DUPI.GIROS%26its%3DI%252BC%252BS%26itu%3DUCI%252BUCC%26otn%3D15%26pmod%3D180898700821%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D9000633016097279094
[00:01:53] <Tom_itx> lathe anyone?
[00:03:08] <andypugh> "I used this lathe 1 time,with 110 v motor, and everything worked" I wonder why he stopped?
[00:04:03] <andypugh> But it does look nice, you can still see the frosting.
[00:04:44] <Tom_itx> vintage 14 x 72" also for $500
[00:04:56] <Tom_itx> celtic
[00:06:52] <Tom_itx> mori seki for $29k
[00:07:45] <andypugh> Curious tailstock on the Kerry, not seen that before.
[00:08:46] <Tom_itx> side driven instead of rear end?
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[00:10:53] <andypugh> YES.
[00:11:03] <Tom_itx> i've never seen one
[00:11:08] <andypugh> More info on the world's best web site: http://www.lathes.co.uk/kerry/index.html
[00:12:59] <syyl_> lathes.co.uk is what i read before i go to sleep
[00:13:42] <Jymmm> archivist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0VXYBc6PPQ&feature=fvwp&NR=1
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[00:17:30] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Is that a cannon in your pocket? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0VXYBc6PPQ&feature=fvwp&NR=1
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[01:10:13] <andypugh> Same milll as mine. I want the slotting head. I don't want all of it though. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170853001738
[01:13:18] <Tom_itx> the collet or the rotary table?
[01:14:05] <andypugh> the slotter
[01:14:23] <Tom_itx> i've got a small one for my sherline
[01:14:35] <Tom_itx> i don't think i've used it yet
[01:14:47] <Tom_itx> i got some used slitting saws that fit it though
[01:14:51] <andypugh> Oh, I doubt I would ever _use_ it!
[01:15:04] <andypugh> ?
[01:15:38] <andypugh> Are we talking at srossed porpoises?
[01:15:57] <Tom_itx> ?
[01:16:17] <andypugh> On the table of that miller is a slotting head. That has no relationship to slitting saws.
[01:17:16] <Tom_itx> on the left side?
[01:18:12] <Jymmm> andypugh: I think I've asked you a few times but missed if you ever responded about the mobo
[01:18:23] <andypugh> Tom_itx: Yes
[01:18:50] <andypugh> Jymmm: Go on?
[01:18:55] <Tom_itx> ok i was looking at the collet on the right
[01:19:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: Are you unhappy with the mobo?
[01:19:19] <andypugh> which one?
[01:19:31] <Jymmm> newest DC one
[01:19:49] <andypugh> I haven't got it working yet, no memory.
[01:20:17] <andypugh> it looks promising though.
[01:20:33] <Jymmm> andypugh: Oh, I thought I saw you taking to someone (pcw?) about it and you had seemed a tad disappointed.
[01:20:37] <andypugh> It also has Mystery Ports not on the sticker, with many pins.
[01:20:49] <Jymmm> andypugh: LVDS?
[01:20:52] <Tom_itx> andy i thought that was a rotary head
[01:21:23] <andypugh> Well, I bought it thinking that PCIe to PCI was easy, when in fact it is hard. But then a 6i25 appeared, and all is good again.
[01:21:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: It has LVDS, RS232,422,485 selectable, paraport,
[01:22:15] <andypugh> LVDS might be interesting, I have an LVDS touchscreen.
[01:22:34] <Tom_itx> that broken screen i have is LVDS
[01:23:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: iirc, it also have 6 GPIO pins on an 8 pin header
[01:24:01] <andypugh> Hmm, I wonder why?
[01:24:10] <Jymmm> System intergration
[01:24:16] <Jymmm> embedded
[01:25:01] <andypugh> It is remarkably thin
[01:26:30] <Jymmm> It also has backlight control for the lcd
[01:27:21] <Tom_itx> http://www2.electronicproducts.com/Transparent_double_sided_smartphone_demonstrated_at_2012_Wireless_Japan_expo_video-article-fajb_transparent_phone_jun2012-html.aspx
[01:30:07] <Jymmm> andypugh: I take that back, I might have been confusing which mobo had the GPIO pins
[01:31:03] <Jymmm> andypugh: Technical product specs http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CGsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdownloadmirror.intel.com%2F20714%2Feng%2FDN2800MT_TechProdSpec02.pdf&ei=56XST9nhCqnO2AXj8sW5Dw&usg=AFQjCNFUtUTLNasgpEt02mJC0UQF9rnu1Q
[01:33:11] <Jymmm> andypugh: That also has part numbers for the connectors
[01:36:34] <andypugh> Sorry, distracted
[01:37:53] <andypugh> How the heck do I make Xp realise that its fisk just got a lot bigger?
[01:38:12] <Jymmm> ?
[01:38:30] <Jymmm> did you resize a partition? new hdd?
[01:39:00] <andypugh> The latter, mainly. Sort of.
[01:39:10] <Jymmm> what was it, what should it be now, what does it think it is
[01:39:37] <andypugh> wa 30GB, now 200GB, thinks it is 30GB
[01:39:58] <Jymmm> sata or ide?
[01:41:20] <andypugh> SCSI. Or so it thinks. It's a VM
[01:41:54] <Jymmm> Is the VM setup to expand as needed?
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[01:43:17] <andypugh> It's complicated. And I am making it more so.
[01:43:25] <Jymmm> lol
[01:43:35] <Jymmm> you have fun with that then =)
[01:43:56] <andypugh> It was set to expand, but got to its limit. So I increased the limit, but XP hasn't noticed.
[01:44:27] <Jymmm> did you shutdown the VM completely and restart your computer?
[01:45:03] <Jymmm> not pause, but a full shut down of the vm
[01:45:18] <andypugh> I restarted the VM. Restarting the host seems unnecesary?
[01:45:36] <Jymmm> Not restart, shut down.
[01:45:57] <Jymmm> that's power off, pause, power on.
[01:46:03] <andypugh> Yes, I had to.
[01:46:36] <andypugh> In fact I cloed the VM so that it could be it's own helper VM to mount and resize it's partition..
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[01:51:43] <Jymmm> andypugh: Did you shut down your VM host software
[01:51:52] <andypugh> No.
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[01:54:56] <andypugh> Now the original VM is in a boot/close down loop. Which is musical, but annoying.
[01:55:07] <Jymmm> heh
[01:56:03] <Jymmm> Did you shut down XP properly before resizing?
[01:56:04] <andypugh> I had nevr heard of Kerry lathes until this evening, and now there is one on eBay uk too.
[01:56:15] <andypugh> Jyhmm
[01:56:19] <andypugh> Jymmm: Ys
[01:56:21] <andypugh> Yes
[01:56:23] <Jymmm> k
[01:56:29] <andypugh> VMware enforces thay
[01:56:31] <andypugh> that
[01:56:59] <Jymmm> You have to or XP NTFS will seriously bitch and not boot
[01:57:22] <Jymmm> has nothign to do with VM in the least
[01:57:53] <andypugh> Hmm, now what.
[01:58:35] <Jymmm> shut down your VM host software?
[02:00:00] <andypugh> Not hopeful
[02:05:44] <Jymmm> As I dont know what yoursetup is or what your did, I'm out of ideas
[02:05:57] <andypugh> Yeah, me too.
[02:06:08] <andypugh> But sleep is high on the list
[02:06:26] <Jymmm> or tequilia =)
[02:07:28] <andypugh> Lets see if a Ubuntu VM can rescue the data at least
[02:08:59] <Tom_itx> i feel a lathe in andy's future
[02:09:59] <andypugh> I already have two
[02:11:42] <Tom_itx> can never have too many toys
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[03:38:01] <mozmck> andypugh: you have to boot from a gparted ISO image and resize the partition. I've done this with VMware and VirtualBox.
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[04:11:07] <Jymmm> mozmck: So when he resized the VM space, it allocated it as "free space" instead of the existing partition?
[04:12:03] <Jymmm> I guess that makes sense. You would have thought it would have given an option of how to allocate it.
[04:14:01] <Jymmm> mozmck: But I don't think that explains why the xp vm is trying to reboot upon startup. Unless the resize fubared the MBR, but I dont know how andypugh did the resizing either.
[04:15:26] <Jymmm> ROTF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LLgqv2XgiA&feature=endscreen&NR=1#
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[04:26:35] <archivist> Jymmm, that video shows the wrong design graver, and its noisy as hell, something too loose
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[05:03:34] <Jymmm> archivist: Yeah, it didn't sound too pretty at all. Just I know you're into miniture type works, so I thought I'd pass it along is all =)
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[06:52:49] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[07:41:42] <Jymmm> hola
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[08:50:44] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:51:56] <micges> hi
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[10:38:33] <andypugh> I meant to log out of this
[10:38:53] <andypugh> Anyway, thanks mozmck, that is the thing I am going to try now.
[11:05:07] <Loetmichel> sooo, first segment soldered, 4 milled, 12 to go... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13296 http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13299
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[11:05:38] <Loetmichel> ... *twinkle* bah, i have overdone it again... thats WAY to bright ;-)
[11:17:44] <andypugh> Hmm, so, Gparted thinks that the virtual disk is one 200GB partition. Windows XP (installed in it) thinks it is 40GB. I don't see a way round this.
[11:19:26] <archivist> Loetmichel, add some opalescent sheet behind the red to scatter the light a bit
[11:20:49] <Loetmichel> archivist: thete is
[11:20:51] <Loetmichel> tehre
[11:20:54] <Loetmichel> grr
[11:20:56] <Loetmichel> there
[11:21:35] <Loetmichel> a sheet of sandwich paper ;-)
[11:22:16] <archivist> add sheets till ok :)
[11:23:08] <archivist> actually some distance would help led to front
[11:23:32] <Loetmichel> i will try to fill the segment pockets with opaque melting glue
[11:23:50] <Loetmichel> and maybe add a second 3mm layer of grey frame
[11:25:33] <Loetmichel> btw: thats roughly 300mm of digit height
[11:28:12] <Loetmichel> wie gesagt: wenn die da ein bissi nachgedacht haben glaube ich NICHT daß da mehr als die karosserei zerfetzt wird
[11:28:23] <Loetmichel> der rahmen wird durchfedern und dann halten
[11:28:33] <Loetmichel> sorry, wrong window
[11:34:40] <andypugh> Any ideas chaps? The partition is 200GB but the C drive is 30GB. Gparted gave the same info, this is a Windows tool that I am trying too. http://imagebin.org/215748
[11:38:34] <archivist> Im to worried about my data to ever play with partition tools on live data
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[11:49:42] <micges> andypugh: what is the problem?
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[12:37:41] <r00t4rd3d> whats this tool ?
[12:37:42] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/jNsTe.jpg
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[13:07:57] <andypugh> micges: The problem is that XP only thinks it has 40GB, but everything else thinks it is a 200GB partition.
[13:08:37] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: How big is it?
[13:22:13] <archivist> almost looks like a crude self adjustable spanner
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[13:23:42] <archivist> similar principle behind ebay item 120928200314
[13:24:22] <Jymmm> band strap wrench of some sort maybe?
[13:24:53] <andypugh> micges: mozmck: Got it, the trick was to first shring the partition to the apparent, then increase it back up…
[13:25:58] <archivist> I dont have one of those in my collection yet :)
[13:26:41] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, close up of the label?
[13:27:18] <mozmck> andypugh: that's interesting. I resized my virtual disk first with vmware, and windows still thought it was the old size.
[13:28:02] <ScribbleJ> mozmck, no, it's that you resised the disk but not the file system.
[13:28:09] <andypugh> Yes, I had the same problem, but in my case gparted thought it was already the new size
[13:28:13] <mozmck> then when I booted from the gparted ISO it saw a larger disk with the smaller partition.
[13:28:23] <ScribbleJ> You can change the size of the partition however you like and that's not going to change the size of the filesystem one bit.
[13:28:58] <andypugh> I had a semi-succesful attempt with diskpart in XP from a clone of the original disk..
[13:29:10] <mozmck> ScribbleJ: I'm aware of that. I resized the *disk*, and then resized the partition using gparted and it worked perfectly.
[13:30:06] <ScribbleJ> OK, you say you're aware of it but I just want to be clear... you can resize the 'disk' and the 'partition' and you still need to resize the 'filesystem' too.
[13:30:31] <ScribbleJ> resizing the partition is not the last step and if it was the last thing you did, it will produce exactly the symptom you describe.
[13:30:37] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, and the place to search is http://www.datamp.org/
[13:30:46] <andypugh> It was the filesystem I was struggling with. XP (under Vmware 4) is _meant_ to automatically increase the filesystem.
[13:31:00] <ScribbleJ> I've never heard that.
[13:31:12] <ScribbleJ> I'm skeptical, but I'll admit I'm no Windows user.
[13:31:45] <andypugh> I try not to be.
[13:31:49] <mozmck> Ok, well I'm not sure what you mean there. How do you resize the file system? I've done it just like I said about a dozen times with dual boot systems, and twice with a VM.
[13:32:35] <ScribbleJ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#Resizing <- Andy, added in 7 but not really useable.
[13:32:40] <mozmck> I just resize the partition and XP,Vista, Win7 runs a scandisk on the first boot and gives me the new size.
[13:33:21] <ScribbleJ> mozmck, this is how I've resized ntfs in the past, but you have many options. I think gparted even has an option to do it.
[13:33:25] <ScribbleJ> Since you mentioned that earlier
[13:33:26] <mozmck> This is all outside of windows completely. I boot from a Linux ISO or CD that has Gparted on it.
[13:33:27] <ScribbleJ> http://linux.die.net/man/8/ntfsresize
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[13:34:16] <andypugh> To be honest, I have done it now. I don't intend to do it again, and so have completely lost interest in the technicalities :-)
[13:34:33] <mozmck> I guess Gparted does that all automatically when resizing a partition. Glad you got it working andy.
[13:36:00] <Jymmm> andypugh: what did you use initially to resize the partition?
[13:36:29] <SWPadnos> a hammer and chisel
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[13:36:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: HEY!!!!! LTNS
[13:36:43] <andypugh> I don't know. I think the _partition_ automatically increased when VMWare increased the disk size.
[13:36:45] <SWPadnos> hi
[13:37:06] <mozmck> hi SWPadnos!
[13:37:12] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: How the hell are ya?
[13:37:13] <SWPadnos> hi mozmck
[13:37:31] <SWPadnos> jymmm, OK, a little tired. been working late to prepare for a trip tomorrow
[13:37:49] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Haven't seen you in weeks!
[13:37:54] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:38:12] <SWPadnos> and the funny thing is, I've actually been at home (at least in my home town) the whole time
[13:38:23] <SWPadnos> haven't gone anywhere for at least 4 or 5 weeks!
[13:38:32] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I emailed you some time ago, never got a reply back (bastard)
[13:38:51] <SWPadnos> well, I guess I'm a bastardthen
[13:38:56] <Jymmm> lol
[13:39:24] <SWPadnos> I miss a lot of emails - I get a ton on my "personal" account, but I'm at a client site for 8-15 hours a day
[13:39:39] <SWPadnos> so they're off the bottom by the time I get home (or they don't appear in the web interface)
[13:40:30] <Jymmm> Note: Email SWPadnos every 30m till he replies as it's scrolled off screen
[13:40:31] <SWPadnos> about the Jetway NF99?
[13:40:43] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: That was one =)
[13:40:45] <SWPadnos> April 23
[13:40:46] <SWPadnos> ok
[13:41:03] <SWPadnos> I actually saw that one, but didn't respond ;)
[13:41:55] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: 8-19V DC DIRECT only 0.75" tall http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-DN2800MT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
[13:41:57] <SWPadnos> for my (camera) purposes, it doesn't work. It only has 3 USB2 ports on MB headers
[13:42:16] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: headers?
[13:42:36] <SWPadnos> yeah, the 2xxx series looks interesting. I haven't bought any yet, but I have checked out the specs
[13:42:47] <SWPadnos> yeah, like for front panel connectors
[13:43:02] <SWPadnos> the 2x5 or 1x5 pin headers on the MB
[13:43:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: The jetway has 6 internal, 3 front
[13:43:48] <SWPadnos> I found some SATA DOM (Disk On Module) that look good, 32GB is $85 or so
[13:44:03] <SWPadnos> yeah, I need 4 "front" ports
[13:44:04] <SWPadnos> or more
[13:44:09] <Jymmm> ah
[13:44:16] <SWPadnos> since I have custom cables to connect to the cameras
[13:44:31] <SWPadnos> uh-oh - my wife says the food's getting cold. bbiab (maybe :) )
[13:44:38] <mrsun> would casted alu parts stand up to the forces bending sheet metal ... hmm =)
[13:44:51] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Well if you have custom cables, shouldn't be an issue. enjoy the grub!
[13:45:24] <norias> mrsun: think it depends alot on the design and directions of the forces
[13:45:34] <Jymmm> andypugh: Here's another mobo for ya... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[13:45:35] <Tom_itx> mrsun, there's a reason they make tooling from hardened steel
[13:46:35] <Jymmm> andypugh: That's the one with the 6 GPIO on it too.
[13:47:24] <andypugh> DN2800 has a "System Integration" port.
[13:47:44] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, you seem to like jetway boards
[13:47:58] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: it has 6 sata ports
[13:48:26] <Tom_itx> my older mb had 4 but only 2 work reliably at once
[13:48:55] <Jymmm> 6 sata + INTEL gig nics
[13:49:06] <Jymmm> perfect combo for NAS box
[13:50:00] <Jymmm> well, almost perfect. Perfect would be ECC ram.
[13:56:59] <archivist> machine level on fleabay 350572905797
[14:00:33] <andypugh> Pretty, but I don't hink I need it.
[14:01:58] <archivist> I already have one :)
[14:02:13] <archivist> and its baby brother
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[14:42:34] <pcw_home> looks like even the cheap new Atom MBs have a Intel NIC now (D2500HN) $69.00
[14:49:33] <Tom_itx> keep all the parts inhouse
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[14:53:51] <pcw_home> the 2500 looks like is has fewer parts overall than the D525
[14:55:06] <Loetmichel> sooo, 6 segments done, 10 to go... and i got a 2mm white translucent sheet PS for the segments also at the hardware store... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13302
[14:58:55] <norias> hmpf
[14:59:12] <norias> this chan seems alot more like computers than machining
[15:00:28] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, know any linux program that does bvh file creation without crashing?
[15:01:45] <Loetmichel> norias: hmm?
[15:02:03] <norias> i've been just sorta hanging out the past couple days
[15:02:06] <Tom_itx> or machining with computers
[15:02:10] <norias> and i see alot of computer talk
[15:02:13] <norias> less machining
[15:02:22] <norias> which is all well and cool, not a complaint
[15:02:26] <norias> just an observation
[15:02:35] <Loetmichel> maybe thats because of this channel being about a linuxCNC solution?
[15:02:43] <Tom_itx> it's about the hardware and software to do the machining
[15:02:45] <norias> yeah. makes sense
[15:02:47] <Loetmichel> COMPUTER numerical controlled ;-)
[15:03:03] <norias> i just used to work in shops with lots of machinists to chat with
[15:03:09] <norias> and now it's just me and an apprentice
[15:03:18] <norias> so most of the talking is... one directional
[15:03:21] <Loetmichel> sounds familliar
[15:03:24] <norias> and i miss chatting about machining
[15:03:25] <Tom_itx> there are machinists here
[15:03:30] <Tom_itx> just ask a question
[15:03:32] <Loetmichel> just that i am the production manager
[15:04:17] <norias> bought some "reversed jaw" vices a while back
[15:04:24] <Loetmichel> and all my (whats the correct word for the ppl who are reporting to me?) are gone, only 2 workers and a apprentice left...
[15:04:29] <norias> and thinking back on that purchase, i'm really happy i did
[15:04:47] <Loetmichel> ... but i hope it will be better soon, we got a big order just yesterday ;-)
[15:04:51] <norias> Loetmichel: i think you are looking for "subordinates"
[15:05:12] <norias> well, I run the prototype shop in a startup
[15:05:28] <norias> so, i keep pretty busy
[15:05:43] <norias> but most of the people i deal with are all engineers, chemists, etc
[15:06:07] <Tom_itx> what a combination
[15:07:34] <norias> it's alot of fun really
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[15:08:19] <Loetmichel> EVERY job made with dedication is fun!
[15:08:29] <Loetmichel> (IMO)
[15:08:32] <norias> the engineers tend to give some degree of a design
[15:08:38] <norias> the rest... i end up doing the design
[15:08:42] <norias> which i enjoy
[15:08:52] <Loetmichel> norias: that sounds familliar, too ;-)
[15:09:23] <Loetmichel> most jobs i did lately were prototypes... with no engineer envolved at all... ;-)
[15:09:27] <Tom_itx> the engineers can tell you if it will break though
[15:09:50] <norias> most the engineers i work with are top-notch
[15:10:01] <norias> MIT and CMU types
[15:10:10] <norias> at least on the product design side
[15:10:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13140 <- a air filter for a Dell computer for example ;-)
[15:10:19] <norias> not so much with the pilot operations guys
[15:10:43] <norias> i have a feeling that they consistently outsource their machining
[15:10:57] <norias> because they get tired of me telling them why their designs will fail
[15:11:17] <norias> which seems to me to be a key difference between the really smart engineers
[15:11:28] <norias> and the standard line engineers
[15:11:40] <norias> the really smart guys enjoy and welcome collaboration
[15:11:52] <norias> i've learned alot from them
[15:11:57] <Loetmichel> or copying some shielding casings for a keyboard controller board... (right: mine, left, original) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12885
[15:13:30] <norias> Loetmichel: looks like almost the same toolpaths
[15:13:37] <norias> almost
[15:14:44] <Loetmichel> maybe the CNC shop who did that uses a similar CAM?
[15:14:45] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:14:53] <norias> heh
[15:15:01] <norias> i have a heck of a time with CAM
[15:15:05] <norias> i tried mastercam
[15:15:10] <norias> but honest to goodness
[15:15:18] <norias> i can usually write a program
[15:15:30] <norias> faster than I can convince mastercam to do it the way i want it done
[15:15:57] <norias> most likely a failing on my part
[15:16:12] <Tom_itx> i use smartcam
[15:16:35] <Tom_itx> it was a little more user friendly at the time
[15:16:43] <norias> how much did that cost?
[15:16:55] <norias> i just downloaded HMSWorks
[15:17:01] <norias> but haven't had time to play with it
[15:17:53] <norias> i dunno, makes me feel a little stupid
[15:18:04] <norias> but logicaly, i know i'm computer literate
[15:18:24] <norias> i've compiled openBSD kernels from the freebsd docs
[15:18:28] <norias> etc
[15:18:33] <norias> i used to write software
[15:19:46] <norias> i kinda feel that an intermediary language
[15:19:52] <norias> that looks like mazatrol
[15:19:57] <norias> would be more useful
[15:20:08] <norias> with something to embed G-code in it
[15:20:21] <norias> like you can embed ASM in to C
[15:20:39] <norias> i kinda feel like mastercam etc jumps the gun
[15:22:51] <archivist> maybe you want to try an APT type of cam where you are more in control
[15:23:06] <norias> i've heard of APT
[15:23:14] <norias> but haven't actually seen/used it
[15:23:26] <norias> is there something I can download and try?
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[15:23:54] <archivist> the only current one out in the free wild is apt360 on sourceforge
[15:24:26] <archivist> only runs on 32 bit systems at the moment
[15:24:39] <norias> hmm
[15:24:40] <norias> bummer
[15:25:09] <norias> oh, wait
[15:25:17] <norias> i have a 32 bit machine in the shop
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[17:41:33] <andypugh> One bit of good news, the DN2800, with a 10.04 install, "just works" with a generic Dell WiFi mini-PCI card.
[17:42:03] <andypugh> The D510 fails to boot with the same card installed, so the behavour could hardly be more different.
[17:46:25] <micges> thi board also works with mPCI SSD disks (525/510 also fails to support it)
[17:47:39] <micges> andypugh: you have DN2800MT board?
[17:47:57] <andypugh> Yes
[17:48:27] <Tom_itx> what's the cost of those compared to the D525?
[17:48:41] <andypugh> A bit more, at the moment
[17:49:00] <Tom_itx> bleeding edge always costs
[17:49:13] <Tom_itx> either monitary or support
[17:49:18] <micges> andypugh: more than 100 euro?
[17:49:36] <Loetmichel> *grrr, that was the last 0,6mm two flute mill bit... so i will use 0,8mm, the circuit traces are 1mm, so the will be 0,8, thats enough also.
[17:56:16] <andypugh> micges: http://www.logicsupply.eu/mainboards/intel-atom/dn2800mt/
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[18:14:29] <IchGuckLive> hi all miling around the globe
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[18:18:01] <alex4nder> IchGuckLive: hey
[18:18:21] <IchGuckLive> B)
[18:18:26] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: with the DN2800MT the bleeding edge doesn't cost that much
[18:18:39] <alex4nder> the video performance just hurts a bit.
[18:19:22] <IchGuckLive> whats the main diference between this board and the D525
[18:19:54] <alex4nder> better power consumption, PCIe, onboard power supply
[18:19:58] <alex4nder> thinner
[18:20:03] <alex4nder> digital video
[18:20:23] <alex4nder> parallel and serial on pin headers.
[18:20:56] <alex4nder> bbl
[18:20:58] <IchGuckLive> is this realtime proven
[18:21:19] <IchGuckLive> what latacy does it has
[18:26:24] <IchGuckLive> its not in here ? -> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
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[18:30:13] <IchGuckLive> we shoudt all fix this side and take more interest as i speek i got around 50 mashines running on linuxcnc
[18:30:40] <IchGuckLive> aspechel the Education ones that are ibm A50 at 30Eur
[18:38:05] <skunkworks__> my coworker just read an article about the newer intel boards not supporting linux very well
[18:38:45] <micges> new intel mb graphic chipset isn't properly supported under any os
[18:39:01] <skunkworks__> I should have him email the link
[18:39:36] <micges> but maybe few last months made this problem fixed
[18:40:02] <r00t4rd3d> what
[18:40:12] <r00t4rd3d> what chipset is it?
[18:40:39] <IchGuckLive> ok i got to go Soccer EM germany is starting
[18:40:46] <skunkworks__> that could be.. He just mentioned it yesterday.
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[18:43:10] <r00t4rd3d> guess the tool:
[18:43:11] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/0vJVs
[18:43:55] <archivist> no close up of the label!
[18:44:03] <r00t4rd3d> dont have one
[18:45:05] <archivist> erm you got the camera and the tool :)
[18:46:43] <r00t4rd3d> actually I dont
[18:46:59] <r00t4rd3d> its from a post on reddit trying to figure out what the hell it is
[18:47:08] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[18:47:21] <r00t4rd3d> and now its driving me nuts not knowing either
[18:47:46] <archivist> post it to the datamp mailing list
[18:48:04] <archivist> or better oldtools mailing list
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[18:50:58] <r00t4rd3d> i was really just hoping some old timer in here knew what it was
[18:51:38] <archivist> the oldtools mailing list has a surplus of old timers :)
[18:52:05] <r00t4rd3d> for reasons unknown I am anti mailing lists
[18:52:15] <archivist> and has a lot more tool collectors than here
[18:55:06] <r00t4rd3d> this is not man made:
[18:55:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/nvjNw.jpg
[18:55:40] <r00t4rd3d> stibnite i guess its called
[18:56:41] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, I sent a message to the old tools list /me waits
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[19:04:33] <r00t4rd3d> lol
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[19:19:52] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: And this isn't photoshop! http://www.akademifantasia.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Naica-Giant-Crystal-Cave-9.jpg
[19:22:20] <andypugh> (More pictures, but you might want adblock etc set to max) http://www.akademifantasia.org/south-america/magnificent-giant-crystal-cave-at-naica/
[19:25:24] <archivist> something dumb about making a site unusable by ad content
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[19:43:20] <skunkworks__> it looks like it is made to turn a small diameter shaft.. but I don't know what the extra do-dad in the upper right is for
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[19:49:47] <andypugh> I suspect something to do with manipulating rail.
[19:53:03] <andypugh> Or possibly doing something unspeakable to livestock
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[19:57:03] <andypugh> Google images search is no help:
[19:57:03] <andypugh> http://images.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuUSm21GIM0GezYUe_1W7aZkSjDDvKIaRTHxYZLHRwzv3ThpCGczCtsiIwlc8d2LSnv_14coUvj3zFxcLKm4N-egzQDHLXTuCsy8SFGda15MKl1rq22ECnQkXgwE1ftjTl5DXTQMolCKPDFmPnic6CinxtVLPuYDUhG9JZZwUgNLo1UJNsaYSKKPqwS18jI14kGIkIdvU6qPH7eolE0t7ra8JR_1Qsuag-rjRTkf-J_1vVtyZUO9jNFopkx1qUTjEqX_1rtEf6Vt3vVqV3tiNEw9cTtMYLAN1Gf5SX3CqJg8btS4Q2viJV5tQ-8IRRA90hkiVv5hXDJO0tbOI8xanJL1t3tJirCEiq1KKa1Wmrws3mn8mrW-gHWPBYV
[19:57:04] <andypugh> kangMOvXJKQRwEvdtiX7udR1n0qMqqVsmu5VIoCWZ3ZYoZYfICRIQxO4WSbcG9DUaIUDJTn_1_1s6j63oXSBt7QfNEdJH81aQ1B95zz235_1PTydNcAHZSpajPq_1YOPzeKLNVIkxZlvKVIl38sJVLFZ_1iGECSNvImONDe9V-tnKfyLSG9bKCndkM_1bcfmQr_1ZID1aTuUk90s4_17gwv8Xm1rpbWWaGZ05S8iKGnR6Pg2oyMLc93BZp2as-ovaV4aYL9q9RjsQ_1GXH1-2ZMeAC48GkmSWBD1B1Ui_1vkYqlZirYscKhWkt0nTp4cLNX5ZHBKArkKs59DuciGNqGcrjg1DqzQPM2kKUi0iYZIX-aKydK9mm7eQAs0kqbfpMpmweW2h9Rj236N86Q9g0mctMLwCkFKnw2xgbFo
[19:57:05] <andypugh> uAmoIqt8z7elUV9CP_1BaCwWtId7-WpfdHPSU_1TM1mTr1SWdwb7xaNfPsq9t7hLDL7880Ukx-LW_1bHNQXZUBXncXr94XpTlddjeX1VmdAH66TV6e3zT17LZyQDrF-VINxo6S2mW5rCUJCeI6xK6NJk&num=10&hl=en&bih=1287&biw=1695
[19:57:11] <andypugh> (Yikes!)
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[20:06:46] <archivist> first oldtools reply is wire tensioner ...nah
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[20:15:45] <andypugh> I think it hinges the wrong way for that.
[20:17:30] <archivist> it has jaws for something and the upper right thing has..not a lot
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[20:28:46] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[20:33:35] <syyl__> mh unusual to me
[20:33:36] <syyl__> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0558.jpg
[20:33:50] <syyl__> no cad, no cnc machined part, just jigsaw and welder ;)
[20:34:30] <syyl__> and against all odds, it even fits :D
[20:34:30] <syyl__> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0560.jpg
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[20:37:48] <r00t4rd3d> archivist, any more replies?
[20:38:59] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, not yet, you can monitor list archive at http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=230844&submit_thread=1#message
[20:41:58] <toner> syyl__: nice :)
[20:42:47] <r00t4rd3d> i think its a locomotive firebox door opener :)
[20:44:01] <r00t4rd3d> or a tool to open/close some sort of furnace
[20:45:12] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/0vJVs
[20:45:22] <r00t4rd3d> incase anyone hasnt seen it, name this tool
[20:46:45] <toner> it looks like a crimper of sorts
[20:46:47] <toner> but no idea
[20:48:16] <r00t4rd3d> its a cow tooth puller
[20:48:33] <syyl__> looks a bit like a pipebendr
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[21:00:37] <Loetmichel> soo, all segments milled ans soldered. The poor camer is nearly blinded ;-)
[21:00:48] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13305
[21:00:51] <Loetmichel> camera
[21:01:35] <Loetmichel> tomorrow i woll make the ohter translicent segment caps and then the AVR board to drive it.
[21:01:38] <Loetmichel> will
[21:01:41] <Loetmichel> other
[21:03:43] <pcw_home> Looks like a tool that grabs a bead or rim of something and prys it into position
[21:04:44] <JT-Shop> what a nice ride today with friends
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[21:11:49] <r00t-Shed> whats half of 3/8's
[21:11:51] <r00t-Shed> lol
[21:11:58] <r00t-Shed> i should know this
[21:12:16] <JT-Shop> 3/?
[21:12:27] <JT-Shop> 3/8/2
[21:12:49] <r00t-Shed> 16.
[21:12:53] <r00t-Shed> ?
[21:13:09] <JT-Shop> 0.1875"
[21:13:47] <r00t-Shed> and on a tape measure that is ?
[21:14:01] <JT-Shop> 3/16"
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[21:17:00] <Tom_itx> somebody should write a speed/feed calc bot for the channel
[21:17:15] <micges> heh
[21:17:18] <Tom_itx> oh and a metric conversion one
[21:17:45] <r00t-Shed> mm to inches
[21:18:11] <r00t-Shed> i could probably do that with an eggdrop, just have it get the result from a online converter
[21:18:21] <Tom_itx> fathoms to meters
[21:18:38] <JT-Shop> eggdrop soup?
[21:19:09] <Tom_itx> ok, pizza run.. bak in a few
[21:20:05] <JT-Shop> ok, make mine extra pepperoni
[21:23:00] <Tom_itx> done
[21:23:24] <Tom_itx> they charge extra for delivery to your area though
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[21:24:13] <JT-Shop> well crap, I guess I'm not hungry after two brats at lunch
[21:26:13] <pcw_home> beat on the brat, beat on the brat, beat on the brat with a baseball bat yeah yeah
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[21:29:09] <JT-Shop> Vietnam Vets Poker run today http://imagebin.org/215781
[21:32:10] <JT-Shop> I don't think I've heard that song before Peter
[21:37:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Bimba 50¢
[21:37:12] <JT-Shop> lol
[21:37:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Tubing 50¢
[21:38:12] <JT-Shop> now your being clever
[21:38:37] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: sorry, I lied... got a bimba fo 33¢ today
[21:38:53] <JT-Shop> close enough for gvmnt workt
[21:38:55] <Jymmm> with 2 brass elbows
[21:39:14] <JT-Shop> be back in a bit
[21:39:17] <Jymmm> Yeah, I thought so
[21:39:18] <Jymmm> k
[21:44:54] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: no leathers?????????
[22:05:20] <Jymmm> I feel like I made out like a bandit at the flea market today =)
[22:10:22] <Jymmm> entrance fee, crock pot, hot air popcorn popper, glass marbles, ceramic bowl, 5gal gas can, two hot water heater blankets, windup toy, plastic wreath box, TENS Unit, 9v/aa/aaa Ni-MH battery charger, Turquoise sea turtle necklace, baguette for $25
[22:11:02] <Tom_itx> quite a variety
[22:13:03] <r00t-Shed> how do I center my graphic in the center of my work space ?
[22:13:09] <Jymmm> Oh, I also got a Bimba cylinder, 25ft of tubing, and a roll of duuuuct tape
[22:13:44] <Tom_itx> r00t-Shed that's a rather vague question
[22:14:06] <r00t-Shed> in linuxcnc, the example is at the top left of my workspace
[22:14:25] <Tom_itx> set a fixture offset?
[22:14:28] <Jymmm> r00t-Shed: which is usually XY 0,0
[22:15:02] <Jymmm> oh, I also got two pints of 1,1,1 too =)
[22:15:10] <Jymmm> banned for the last 20+ years =)
[22:15:17] <Tom_itx> wtf is that?
[22:15:42] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1-Trichloroethane
[22:15:48] <Tom_itx> i wondered
[22:15:57] <r00t-Shed> i cant manually move the image around?
[22:16:00] <r00t-Shed> or scale it
[22:16:18] <Tom_itx> we used trichloroflorothane sp?
[22:16:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yeah, iirc this is the stuff that can even remove silicone =)
[22:16:50] <Tom_itx> this is a degreaser
[22:17:00] <Tom_itx> also used to dry coffee beans iirc
[22:17:28] <Jymmm> Well, I couldn't beat it for $1/pint
[22:17:40] <Jymmm> Labeld as "IBM Tape Cleaner" =)
[22:19:06] <Jymmm> but all that for $25 works for me =)
[22:20:07] <Tom_itx> resell it on ebay and double your money
[22:20:17] <Jymmm> the 111 ?
[22:20:25] <Tom_itx> all of it
[22:20:36] <Tom_itx> oh i suppose you can keep the marbles
[22:20:45] <Jymmm> nah, I need most of it.
[22:20:52] <Jymmm> Marbles are not cheap anymore
[22:21:15] <Tom_itx> you seen how they make em?
[22:21:16] <Jymmm> kinda rare actually. Had some tiny ones in it too maybe 1/4" diameter
[22:21:26] <Jymmm> I have never seen those before ever
[22:21:28] <Tom_itx> it was a 'how it's made' or some such show
[22:21:50] <Jymmm> Glass rod, snipped off and rolled?
[22:22:07] <Tom_itx> it pours in from the top
[22:22:15] <Jymmm> thats how bearing balls are made
[22:22:16] <Jymmm> ah
[22:22:24] <Tom_itx> and snipped automatically iirc
[22:22:35] <Tom_itx> then rolls down a pair of screw rollers
[22:22:39] <Jymmm> The marbles and necklace were for the gf anyway =)
[22:23:06] <Jymmm> Told her she lost her marbles long ago and I just found them for her =)
[22:25:55] <Jymmm> The necklace is actually pretty nice, and I NEVEr buy jewlery. I just dont know enough about soilver/gold/diamond/emerald/gems to know if I'd be getting ripped off or not.
[22:27:37] <r00t-Shed> linuxcnc thinks my axis are moving alot faster then they actually are, so do I slow down the acceleration in stepconf?
[22:28:28] <r00t-Shed> i wish pfred was here
[22:29:01] <r00t-Shed> he is never here when i am trying to use my machine and he has the same driver
[22:31:30] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I Since I have two pints, maybe I could sell one for $100 =)
[22:31:38] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:32:29] <Jymmm> You can't get it anymore, so it's kinda rare.
[22:32:37] <Jymmm> kinda like freon
[22:32:50] <Jymmm> or halon
[22:33:01] <Tom_itx> what's the name of those good enclosures sometimes on ebay?
[22:33:04] <Tom_itx> i forgot the brand
[22:33:10] <Jymmm> all the good ozone depleating chemicals =)
[22:33:15] <Jymmm> ZERO Cases?
[22:33:21] <Jymmm> Pelican Cases?
[22:33:26] <Tom_itx> no begins with R i think
[22:33:32] <Jymmm> metal?
[22:33:36] <Tom_itx> i could search the logs
[22:33:38] <Tom_itx> yes metal
[22:33:44] <Tom_itx> quality enclosure
[22:33:53] <Jymmm> for electrial?
[22:34:00] <Tom_itx> yes
[22:34:13] <Tom_itx> i'll check the logs
[22:34:27] <Jymmm> Raco?
[22:34:43] <Jymmm> hoffman
[22:34:46] <Jymmm> rittal
[22:34:52] <Tom_itx> that's it
[22:34:54] <Tom_itx> i think
[22:35:05] <Jymmm> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&q=electrical+enclosure+boxes&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1000&bih=760&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1667526396911734003&sa=X&ei=e8_TT_r2MOfW0QHO3Zn1Ag&ved=0CI8BEPMCMAI
[22:35:48] <Jymmm> hoffman are nice too, especially the SS ones
[22:36:14] <Tom_itx> 18 x 18 x 8 is approx what i want
[22:36:21] <Tom_itx> maybe slightly bigger
[22:36:42] <Tom_itx> i may end up making one
[22:37:53] <Tom_itx> where do you get NEMA sizes for enclosures?
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[22:39:43] <Tom_itx> for $235 i can make one
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[22:40:17] <Tom_itx> and have change for a 4th axis stepper and drive
[22:42:33] <Tom_itx> http://www.hammfg.com/pages/s1_ind_encl/p018_eclipse1dr.htm
[22:42:35] <Tom_itx> haha
[22:42:48] <Tom_itx> i got free samples from them once. wonder if i can do it again :)
[22:45:25] <Tom_itx> http://www.hammfg.com/downloads/pdf/EN4SD20208GY.pdf
[22:45:36] <Tom_itx> i use their plastic boxes
[22:46:53] <Tom_itx> digikey lists it
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[22:51:06] <andypugh> Broadband is down. It took me hours to realise I could connect using my phone.
[22:51:41] <Tom_itx> bugger
[22:53:11] <andypugh> Well, this is working so well I am not entirely sure that I am connected via the phone.
[22:54:28] <pcw_home> traceroute?
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[23:34:13] <andypugh_> This is annoying, I can't figure out how to connect to the internet via the phone, and my other computers through the WiFi
[23:34:56] <andypugh_> I think I will call it a day. Goodnight.
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[23:36:54] <Tom_itx> well between his hdd and the interweb andy's having a rough couple days
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