#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-05-01

[00:00:25] <Tom_itx> this is all i use it for
[00:00:38] <r00t4rd3d> how you do that with no parallel port?
[00:00:44] <Tom_itx> it has one
[00:01:02] <Tom_itx> i have an atom for linuxcnc
[00:01:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/intel_atom/atom_index.php
[00:01:54] <r00t4rd3d> does it work good?
[00:02:00] <jdhNC> how much space do you use on the SS drive?
[00:02:12] <Tom_itx> i'm not using the ssd currently
[00:02:20] <Tom_itx> there's a hdd in it
[00:02:41] <r00t4rd3d> what model atom is that?
[00:02:44] <Tom_itx> i loaded it on the ssd onece though
[00:02:52] <Tom_itx> d525
[00:02:53] <jdhNC> I stuck a salvaged 160gb disk in my atom
[00:03:18] <Tom_itx> not sure what size it has, i think a 320g
[00:03:49] <Tom_itx> ha, yeah: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/intel_atom/atom2.jpg
[00:04:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ECS-Atom-CPU-Dual-Core-D525-Intel-NM10-A-V-L-Mini-ITX-Motherboard-/230779575541?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35bb88dcf5
[00:04:10] <r00t4rd3d> 52 bucks :/
[00:04:59] <jdhNC> ECS?
[00:05:26] <ReadError> sounds kinda bootleg
[00:05:33] <ReadError> rather go with the intel one for a bit more
[00:05:43] <jdhNC> intel is $75 and known good.
[00:05:43] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[00:05:45] <r00t4rd3d> newbs
[00:05:52] <r00t4rd3d> intel is the chipset
[00:05:59] <ReadError> right
[00:06:03] <ReadError> but they make a board as well
[00:06:14] <ReadError> newb ;p
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[00:06:18] <jdhNC> heh, newb.
[00:06:26] <Tom_L> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
[00:06:34] <Tom_L> that's the one i have
[00:06:43] <jdhNC> me too, so it must be good.
[00:07:10] <ReadError> what kinda jitter you getting?
[00:07:13] <Tom_L> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154091
[00:07:17] <Tom_L> with that box
[00:07:20] <Tom_L> psu included
[00:08:00] <andypugh> D525MW is about 6k jitter
[00:08:14] <r00t4rd3d> is that bad?
[00:08:21] <jdhNC> I can get mine higher than that.
[00:08:23] <asdfasd> are these boards suitable for driving motors via LPT, if the video is integrated?
[00:08:24] <andypugh> It's excellent
[00:08:37] <andypugh> asdfasd: Yes, absolutely
[00:08:47] <Tom_L> i'd suggest mesa cards though
[00:08:51] <r00t4rd3d> i fking buying one
[00:09:26] <andypugh> Tom_L: Aye, so would I, but only really because 25 pins isn't really enough.
[00:09:35] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d; you finished the cnc router?
[00:09:37] <Tom_L> yup
[00:09:55] <jdhNC> I'm only using 24 pins on my yi43
[00:10:04] <Tom_L> so far
[00:10:37] <JT-Shop> yep I have a D525MW and get sub 10k latency... nice compact board
[00:10:49] <Tom_L> add a pendant, touch probe, coffee maker timer....
[00:11:02] <JT-Shop> hey your good to go then
[00:11:04] <jdhNC> can you use a mesa3x20 in linuxcnc?
[00:11:28] <PCW> Yes its supported
[00:11:58] <PCW> not that it makes a lot of sense
[00:12:11] <ReadError> so lower latancy = faster cuts with less lost steps?
[00:12:23] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, not yet. Close.
[00:12:32] <ReadError> 1 of Aluminum 6061-T6511 Square Bar, AMS QQ-A-200/8, ASTM B221, 1" Thick, 1" Width, 36" Length $20.35
[00:12:44] <ReadError> 1 of Aluminum 6061-T6 Sheet, ASTM B209, AMS 4025, 1/8" Thick, 12" Width, 12" Length $19.73
[00:12:52] <ReadError> 1 of Acetal Sheet, Black, 1/8" Thick, 12" Width, 24" Length $23.43
[00:12:54] <ReadError> awwwwwwww yea
[00:13:02] <r00t4rd3d> I need one more paycheck to get it going and finally be able to cut and try to cut something
[00:13:06] <asdfasd> Im asking for the shared video because I read that: Many onboard video chips cause bad realtime performance. The ones that use some of the system RAM for video ("shared memory") are the worst
[00:13:09] <ReadError> pics r00t4rd3d?
[00:13:13] <asdfasd> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Hardware_Requirements
[00:13:18] <Tom_L> ReadError you should visit my scrap yard
[00:13:21] <r00t4rd3d> i dont have any new ones atm
[00:14:01] <PCW> I think that (local RAM video causeing high latency) used to be true but is no longer true
[00:14:13] <roycroft> so i got the kiln today - it's gonna work out fine
[00:14:19] <ReadError> i figure the aluminum bar will last me a while
[00:14:22] <roycroft> it doesn't have a thermostat, but it has a duty cycle timer
[00:14:25] <roycroft> and a pyrometer
[00:14:33] <ReadError> i can cut it in to segments
[00:14:37] <skunkworks__> pcw: that is what I am seeing also.. (onboard video not causing problems)
[00:14:42] <roycroft> so i will run it at 100%, and when it approaches the temp i want i can dial it down
[00:14:56] <roycroft> and adjust it so that it holds the temperature i want, so i can soak big pieces
[00:14:58] <skunkworks__> *on newer motherboards
[00:15:23] <asdfasd> that is nice then...
[00:15:47] <PCW> Probably older shared RAM video was a bandwidth bottleneck but DDR SDRAM has enough to go around
[00:16:56] <asdfasd> I tried several boards (a bit old, but DDR) with integrated video they dont work with mach3
[00:17:09] <asdfasd> but I didnt have a chance to try many with emc2
[00:18:29] <PCW> you probably wouldn't know until you run the latency test as its video driver related as well
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[00:19:29] <PCW> but both the Atoms and the Hudsons seem to be fine with integrated video
[00:19:37] <shdhdfghd> If you have it you can try but if you are looking to buy.... then it will be a risk
[00:20:37] <andypugh> ReadError: Lower latency = lower step-rate granularity. It's rare to run out of absolute stepper speed (except with enormous numbers of microsteps) but at high step rates you might be asking for instantaneous 20% speed increases between 5-thread-cycles-per step and 4-thread-cycles-per-step. A hardware generator (Pico or Mesa) has megahertz rather than khz base frequency.
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[00:22:25] <PCW> if brute computing performance is not an issue, the Atoms seem pretty reliable latency wise (someone just posted the latest Atom 2800 numbers and they looked good as well)
[00:25:04] <PCW> The Intel Atom motherboards I should say (at least there seems to be more experience the the Intel MBs)
[00:25:31] <Tom_itx> i think they're price popular
[00:26:09] <JT-Shop> and fit in a bread box
[00:27:08] <Tom_itx> i put a backup server on mine
[00:27:43] <Jymmm> PCW: Intel brand or intel chipsets?
[00:27:55] <PCW> intel brand
[00:28:30] <Jymmm> My biggest gripe with intel barand desktop boards is they ALWAYS limit ram capacity.
[00:28:39] <A0Sheds> we are starting to use Gentoo + Linuxcnc + AMD APU's for everything
[00:29:52] <Jymmm> PCW: I kinda like alex4nder's thin atom mbo, but I also like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[00:29:59] <A0Sheds> memleak is working on a Gentoo + RTAI + Linuxcnc install script, should be posted sometime soon
[00:30:12] <andypugh> Jymmm: But then LinuxCNC doesn't need much RAM, at all.
[00:30:29] <PCW> the dn2800t looks nice power wise (~10W) a noticeable improvement on the d525
[00:30:33] <ReadError> anyone compiled custom modules for the RTAI kernel?
[00:30:40] <ReadError> ive only done kernels from scratch
[00:30:48] <ReadError> not this .deb jibba jabba stuff
[00:31:13] <andypugh> ReadError: define "custom modules"
[00:31:17] <Jymmm> andypugh: No, but cad/drawing does.
[00:31:18] <ReadError> wifi
[00:31:29] <ReadError> no standard module compiled
[00:31:50] <andypugh> Ah, kernel driver modules?
[00:31:59] <andypugh> Yes, but really no.
[00:32:33] <ReadError> i figured i could DL the source
[00:32:37] <ReadError> patch, rebuild
[00:32:39] <jdhNC> I just pulled up a web page and all the ad links have that mini-itx case tom posted
[00:32:41] <ReadError> but jeeze thats a PITA
[00:32:53] <andypugh> Well, that's not really "custom"
[00:33:15] <andypugh> I thought you meant writing the driver from scratch :-)
[00:33:28] <ReadError> no
[00:33:33] <ReadError> but its not compiled for this kernel
[00:33:47] <ReadError> aka, no precompiled binary/module
[00:33:55] <andypugh> That shouldn't be all that hard then. Is there a makefile?
[00:36:11] <andypugh> This motion planner looked really hard until I tried to make it move at negative velocities, then all my maths breaks down.
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[00:39:44] <PCW> Ah theres a d525 follow on: D2700MUD
[00:40:23] <PCW> also d2800 based so a little lower power and perhaps a little faster
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[00:43:04] <PCW> also Intel MAC like the DN2800MT which is nice
[00:43:30] <andypugh> MAC?
[00:43:42] <PCW> Ethernet
[00:44:01] <PCW> Media Access Controller
[00:44:23] <andypugh> Ah, OK. Could be useful. ;-)
[00:45:02] <PCW> looks just like an updated D525
[00:45:50] <PCW> http://www.mo-co-so.com/Intel-D2700MUD-Mount-Union-DVI-Mini-ITX-Motherbo-p/mcs-int-mud.htm
[00:47:23] <Jymmm> PCW: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BOXDN2800MT-Desktop-Board-DN2800MT/dp/B006XFIK08
[00:47:34] <Jymmm> PCW: Runs on 8-19V directly
[00:47:58] <andypugh> Now that's a big win
[00:48:07] <Jymmm> and half height
[00:48:26] <Jymmm> thank alex4nder for that find, and he says he's getting 5000 jiter on it
[00:49:21] <PCW> also lower power and a little faster than the previous Atoms
[00:49:33] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: That one Jymmm just posted will save you the price of a PSU
[00:49:53] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BOXDN2800MT-Desktop-Board-DN2800MT/dp/B006XFIK08
[00:51:07] <Valen> sounds like it wants to be a carputer
[00:51:31] <Jymmm> car, embedded, custom application, vesa mounted, etc
[00:51:52] <Valen> outside a car a regulated 12v supply is easy to come by
[00:51:57] <Valen> generally
[00:52:20] <PCW> too bad they wont run on 24V
[00:52:24] <Jymmm> Valen: 8-19VDC, who cares, just grab one and 80% would work =)
[00:52:26] <andypugh> It would be an unusual CNC machine without 12V
[00:52:39] <Jymmm> andypugh: 24 instead of 12 maybe
[00:52:45] <djdelorie> there's no 12v in mine
[00:52:49] <Valen> andypugh: though would you hook the controller to that 12v? ;->
[00:52:58] <andypugh> My touchscreeen needs 12V
[00:53:11] <Jymmm> andypugh: It has LVDS connector too
[00:53:17] <djdelorie> 120v, sure, but no 12v...
[00:53:42] <Jymmm> eh 24 to 12 step down pcb, easy enough
[00:54:36] <Jymmm> hell 24 to 19 if it's adjustable =)
[00:56:48] <r00t4rd3d> i dont see a parallel port
[00:56:57] <r00t4rd3d> does it have a header for one i guess?
[00:57:02] <PCW> it has a header
[00:57:05] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: It's on a header on the mobo, along with two serial ports
[00:57:52] <andypugh> I think I want to withdraw my previous statement.
[00:57:55] <Jymmm> there is also a connector on the mobo for internal power connection if you dont want to use the external coax connector.
[00:58:11] <Jymmm> andypugh: whys that?
[00:58:25] <PCW> if you have (and have room for) a standard PS the D2700MUD may make more sense
[00:58:39] <andypugh> I was making a statement about all CNC controllers, despite limited experience of any but my own.
[00:58:57] <Jymmm> andypugh: oh, and the logs never lie. You said we have proof! =)
[00:59:05] <andypugh> I have a PicoPSU in mine, but that needs 12V
[00:59:43] <Valen> andypugh: 12 or 13?
[01:00:12] <Jymmm> Valen: My PicoITX want 12V, no battery to charge.
[01:00:30] <andypugh> 12V but I don't think it is particularly fussy
[01:01:55] <andypugh> Hmm, I think I need to consider both roots of this quadratic equation, for both possible jerk signs. That's a job for tomorrow then.
[01:02:04] <andypugh> Night all.
[01:02:12] <Valen> that sounds like the start of a bad porno
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[01:02:18] <PCW> 'nite
[01:05:47] <r00t4rd3d> so what do you power that with, a 9v battery?
[01:06:38] <r00t4rd3d> I got some tenergy's and a battery holder that puts them in series and they output 12v
[01:07:03] <PCW> that would work (~1A)
[01:07:57] <r00t4rd3d> hmm
[01:10:03] <r00t4rd3d> im about to test my m10000
[01:10:18] <r00t4rd3d> and see what the latency test says
[01:10:36] <r00t4rd3d> it will probably say : GTFO!
[01:11:06] <r00t4rd3d> it runs windows 7 okay though
[01:12:15] <r00t4rd3d> i really hate ubuntu too
[01:12:33] <PCW> some earlier VIA MBs with Unichrome graphics were OK with LinuxCNC so maybe its OK
[01:12:35] <djdelorie> there's a zillion other linux distros, pick something else :-)
[01:12:47] <r00t4rd3d> thats what i got, unichrome
[01:13:14] <r00t4rd3d> djdelorie, Im not sure what im going to do for software yet
[01:14:01] <r00t4rd3d> so the live cd with everything i will have to suffer through
[01:14:23] <elmo000> why suffer?
[01:14:31] <r00t4rd3d> ubuntu sucks balls
[01:15:06] <elmo000> indeed
[01:15:21] <elmo000> so use Debian.
[01:15:32] <elmo000> apt-get emc :)
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[01:21:23] <r00t4rd3d> whats the best way to do the latency test
[01:21:41] <r00t4rd3d> rm -f / ?
[01:22:14] <Tom_itx> run it from the menu?
[01:22:17] <roycroft> watch four hd pr0n films simultaneously
[01:22:48] <roycroft> while calculating pi to 10^17 decimal places
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[01:23:30] <Valen> dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda bs=1M is much more effective r00t4rd3d
[01:23:46] <Valen> (note don't actually do that)
[01:24:00] <roycroft> oh, you're no fun anymore
[01:26:28] <r00t4rd3d> my nick is a lie
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[01:32:57] <Tecan> http://linuxappfinder.com/blog/create_photo_mosaics_with_metapixel
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[01:40:41] <joe9> ReadError: you around?
[01:40:47] <ReadError> sup
[01:40:49] <ReadError> joe9,
[01:40:55] <ReadError> want to shoot for like
[01:41:01] <ReadError> 1pm tomorrow?
[01:41:06] <joe9> ReadError: i am back in atlanta.
[01:41:08] <ReadError> should be least amount of traffic
[01:41:13] <joe9> ReadError: ok, sounds good to me.
[01:41:21] <joe9> readerror: where?
[01:41:39] <ReadError> can you get down by where i work?
[01:41:43] <ReadError> we stagger our lunch to keep ppl there
[01:41:50] <joe9> ok.
[01:41:53] <ReadError> but if i tell them like 1
[01:42:00] <ReadError> then ill lock it in
[01:42:05] <ReadError> but ill be on IRC in the morning
[01:42:15] <joe9> yeah, let's stick with 1pm.
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[01:47:20] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/sign.jpg
[01:48:33] <pfred1> why is diesel more than everything else?
[01:48:43] <pfred1> I always thought diesel was less refined
[01:49:39] <toastydeath> http://www.factcheck.org/2008/05/diesel-fuel-and-gasoline-costs/
[01:50:00] <r00t4rd3d> I went to Applications, CNC, Latency Test and click and nothing happen. Is there a log file or something I have to look at?
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[01:50:18] <pfred1> when that well blew up in the gulf and filled the Atlantic ocean with oil i became suspicious about this whole oil is a limited resource conspiracy
[01:50:19] <r00t4rd3d> or does it run in the background, should i run from a term?
[01:50:27] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d check /var/log/syslog
[01:51:11] <pfred1> tail -f /var/log/syslog
[01:52:02] <pfred1> you should run that command from a term
[01:55:19] <r00t4rd3d> Im getting a APIC error, available but not enabled :/
[01:55:55] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d you think that is what is causing you problems?
[01:56:18] <r00t4rd3d> i dont see how but thats the error that comes up when i click the latency test
[01:56:35] <pfred1> nothing in syslog huh?
[01:56:42] <r00t4rd3d> yeah, thats it
[01:57:32] <r00t4rd3d> i think i seen something in the quickstart about apic
[01:57:54] <pfred1> well at least you have something to investigate now
[01:58:13] <pfred1> you can check /var/log/messages too but it is a lot like syslog
[01:58:15] <elmo000> http://www.industrycortex.com/
[01:59:25] * pfred1 is so happy!
[02:09:13] <r00t4rd3d> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#RTAI_Latency_test
[02:09:18] <r00t4rd3d> 4.1.3
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[02:27:05] <pfred1> where is that Jymmm rat?
[02:27:20] <pfred1> telling me my ethernet controller is no good
[02:27:48] <pfred1> Realtek is da bomb!
[02:29:45] <ReadError> lol
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[02:29:58] <ReadError> realtek always works
[02:30:07] <pfred1> ReadError fuckin a right!
[02:30:22] <ReadError> linux, osx, win....
[02:30:37] <ReadError> esxi host
[02:30:56] <pfred1> that Jymmm was trying to feed me some cock and bull story that Realtek had issues in Linux
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[02:33:41] <alex4nder> hey
[02:35:31] <pfred1> hey you
[02:35:52] <pfred1> one more of these and I'll be crawling across the floor
[02:36:25] <pfred1> http://www.dogfish.com/brews-spirits/the-brews/occassional-rarities/burton-baton.htm
[02:36:51] <pfred1> aww heck it is only 10.0 ABV that isn't so bad
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[02:39:09] * ReadError no like DFH
[02:39:20] <ReadError> two hearted is where its at
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[02:58:39] <pfred1> ReadError DFH doesn't send good beer out of state
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[03:07:53] <r00t4rd3d> latency test error but linuxcnc starts okau
[03:09:33] <pfred1> until you fire up the rtai module you're not really doing the LinuxCNC thing
[03:10:20] <pfred1> once that module kicks in things change
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[03:25:56] <r00t4rd3d> pfred1, me?
[03:26:28] <r00t4rd3d> I read I should do a latency test to see if my computer was worthy
[03:26:40] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d yes when LinuxCNC starts it doesn't automatically load the RTAI kernel extensions only when yo udo something like latency test or start a front end does the module load
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[03:29:32] <r00t4rd3d> so looks like this computer is gonna be no good
[03:29:52] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d unless there is a solution
[03:30:13] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: Did you sacrafice a case of quality beer to each of the demi gawds?
[03:30:34] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: that would be us
[03:30:45] <pfred1> Jymmm When enjoying the Burton Baton, you'll find an awesome blend of the citrus notes from Northwestern hops melding with woody, vanilla notes from the oak. The wood also tends to mellow the 10% ABV of Burton, so tread cautiously!
[03:31:14] <pfred1> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168 B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller [10ec:8168] (rev 02)
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[03:31:17] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: See, pfred1 knows what I speak of
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[03:31:55] <Tecan> last time :)
[03:32:24] <r00t4rd3d> if i search for my error i get a bunch of garbage
[03:32:43] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d start sifting
[03:32:44] <r00t4rd3d> looks like its mach3
[03:32:50] <Jymmm> Roguish: no sacrfice, no worky cnc
[03:33:02] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: : no sacrfice, no worky cnc
[03:33:10] <r00t4rd3d> thats why i hate linux
[03:33:15] <r00t4rd3d> shit just cant work
[03:33:23] <r00t4rd3d> gottta fuck with it constantly
[03:33:33] <pfred1> r00t4rd3d some stuff in Linux is a pain to setup but once you have set it up it'll run until the wheels fall off your PC
[03:34:05] <djdelorie> pfred1: my servers are like that. I have to clean the dust out annually, other than that, they "just work"
[03:34:12] <r00t4rd3d> my usb wifi works under live cd but I installed the os to my hard drive and now it dont work lol
[03:34:19] <pfred1> least that has been my limited experience with Linux since 1995
[03:34:51] <A0Sheds> the wheels fell off my Linux box and it still works
[03:35:16] <pfred1> djdelorie I've heard tale told of Linux servers getting built into walls and for years no one even knows where they are but the ykeep on working
[03:35:42] <A0Sheds> or that kid that swallowed a small server
[03:36:11] <A0Sheds> years later he's getting an xray....
[03:37:43] <pfred1> once I get my Linux systems setup the only thing that reboots them is my power company
[03:38:01] <Jymmm> and who's fault is that
[03:38:09] <djdelorie> not here, I make my own power
[03:38:20] <Jymmm> djdelorie:
[03:38:23] <Jymmm> natural
[03:38:27] <Jymmm> gas doesn't count.
[03:38:28] <pfred1> since a line guy moved in down the street its gotten better
[03:38:49] <pfred1> he is my favorite neighbor
[03:38:50] <djdelorie> Jymmm: nope, seven day supply of propane on-site
[03:39:10] <Jymmm> djdelorie: That's not the "natural" I was speaking of =)
[03:39:36] <Jymmm> djdelorie: as in organic
[03:39:41] <djdelorie> whole house generator, automatic switchover, UPS... the power *doesn't* go out for the servers.
[03:39:56] <pfred1> this is Jymmm --> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Mr_Natural.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Natural_(comics)&usg=__k9EwJLQtAEhXWAblqyHEVMno5Vw=&h=145&w=200&sz=19&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=fCrws2jTHM75hM:&tbnh=75&tbnw=104&ei=8lqfT_nONOHa0QHEzciIAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DMr.%2Bnatural%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D1%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1
[03:40:01] <Valen> I reboot mine rather more often, security updates
[03:40:17] <Valen> but my servers are clustered, so theres no actual downtime ;->
[03:40:32] <pfred1> Valen I don't run any public servers
[03:41:51] <Jymmm> djdelorie: how many kw is the gen?
[03:41:56] <djdelorie> 17
[03:42:07] <r00t4rd3d> linuxcnc wont work on ubuntu 11 ?
[03:42:11] <Jymmm> djdelorie: just propane?
[03:42:22] <djdelorie> just propane
[03:42:54] <Tecan> SysInfo: uname: Linux 3.0.0-13-lowlatency Distro: DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[03:42:54] <Tecan> 32 bpp) Netinfo: eth0: In: 2.12G Out: 173.19M
[03:42:55] <Tecan> SysInfo: Linux 3.0.0-13-lowlatency | Dual AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor 1600.000 MHz | Mem: 1987/4060M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 947G Free: 10G | Bogomips: 38574.4 | Screen Res: 3200x1080 | Procs: 272 | | Up: | eth0: In: 2.12G Out: 173.19M
[03:42:59] <Jymmm> djdelorie: k. There's a tru-fuel kit for my Honda EU2000i I'd like to get, unleaded, NG, and LPG
[03:43:06] <Jymmm> tri-fuel
[03:43:14] <djdelorie> I don't have NG available here, and gasoline goes bad over time
[03:43:16] <r00t4rd3d> or 12.04 i guess its upto now
[03:43:21] <djdelorie> even with stabilizers
[03:43:44] <pfred1> diesel doesn't
[03:43:44] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Yeah, now you know why I want the kit =) Plus I now have 3x 20# tanks
[03:44:11] <djdelorie> mine's a 330
[03:44:28] <djdelorie> I think. Big horizontal "submarine" shaped tank.
[03:44:41] <pcw_home> r00t4rd3: did you fix your lapic issue?
[03:44:46] <Jymmm> djdelorie: Yep, I'm fully aware of it, been there, done that
[03:45:06] <Tom_itx> is it a good idea to run a shielded signal wire to your step and directon signals?
[03:45:10] <djdelorie> quiet, reliable, automatic power... worth every penny
[03:45:29] <Jymmm> djdelorie: As long as the gas man is on time =)
[03:45:37] <pfred1> I worked on a job where we built a data center for wall st. they weren't messing around they had 3 generators on site the size of freight locomotives and a room the size of a basketball court filled with racks of batteries
[03:45:40] <r00t4rd3d> pcw_home, nope
[03:45:46] <djdelorie> Tom_itx: on mine, I ended up putting a pretty small load resistor at the controller end of those, to absorb EMI
[03:46:00] <djdelorie> Jymmm: they need up to three days to refuel, hence the seven day supply :-)
[03:46:09] <Jymmm> pfred1: Sounds liek a typical DC to me
[03:46:18] <Jymmm> djdelorie: ah
[03:46:26] <pfred1> Jymmm an electrician burnt the place to the ground
[03:46:26] <pcw_home> r00t4rd3d: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting#emc2_doesn_t_run_missing_lapic
[03:46:41] <r00t4rd3d> tried that, same
[03:46:53] <Jymmm> pfred1: There's a DC here, where the gens are on the roof
[03:47:02] <djdelorie> pfred1: best story like that was my dad's. He worked on a tugboat, was taking a class at the engine factory. They had seven or so boxcar-sized engines in a "cold standby" state for power backup, went from cold to online in about seven seconds.
[03:47:17] <pfred1> Jymmm no way could you have put these things on the roof they needed 3 foot thick concrete pads int othe ground
[03:47:28] <Jymmm> pfred1: if they dont have fire supression to put ot any fire, they fubared on the design.
[03:47:52] <Jymmm> pfred1: I have nfc how they do this crap sometimes
[03:47:58] <Tom_itx> djdelorie like a pulldown type setup?
[03:47:58] <pfred1> djdelorie hospitals have huge flywheels
[03:48:07] <pfred1> Jymmm we were building the place
[03:48:27] <djdelorie> Tom_itx: yes. I tried various resistors until I found one still big enough to leave a useful "high" level
[03:48:53] <Tom_itx> ok, i'll see how 'noisy' it is first
[03:49:03] <Tom_itx> 10k?
[03:49:06] <pfred1> Jymmm the electrician wanted 3 more months of solid work
[03:49:13] <Jymmm> heh
[03:49:21] <djdelorie> Tom_itx: I don't recall the value, it depends on what kind of a logic high you need
[03:49:26] <Tom_itx> yeah
[03:49:35] <Tom_itx> i'll be using 5v logic i think
[03:49:38] <pcw_home> smart drives use differential step/dir
[03:49:45] <Jymmm> pfred1: he got busted I hope
[03:49:49] <djdelorie> Mine is 5V logic, but a "high" is anything from 2.2v up
[03:50:05] <pfred1> Jymmm he might have I mean i heard it was an electrician so someone must have known who it was
[03:50:24] <pfred1> there was a garbage pile on the site and he fired it up
[03:50:34] <djdelorie> CMOS 5v logic might need 4v or more, for example.
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[03:50:59] <pfred1> I thought 2.7 was a solid high?
[03:51:28] <djdelorie> pfred1: for TTL, sure. Modern ICs are CMOS. You need to read the spec for your controller.
[03:51:50] <pfred1> that is the problem they have with CPUs you can only lower thevoltage so much before you don't have enough ratio beat the S/N
[03:52:06] <Tom_itx> i've got some nice shielded aircraft wire i may use
[03:52:12] <djdelorie> right, but your controller might have an opto input, so it's current that matters, etc.
[03:52:22] <pfred1> Tom_itx twisted pairs
[03:52:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: teflon coated?
[03:52:38] <pfred1> that is how you beat noise
[03:52:43] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/small_probe7_small.jpg
[03:52:43] <djdelorie> differential over twisted pairs is best, assuming your PC has that as output and your controller has that as input.
[03:52:46] <Tom_itx> Jymmm yes
[03:53:08] <Tom_itx> fine strand stranded shielded
[03:53:12] <pfred1> though shielding never hurts
[03:53:31] <Tom_itx> Jymmm also surplus :D
[03:54:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Just a BITCH to strip is all =)
[03:54:34] <Tom_itx> takes some patience
[03:54:51] <Jymmm> or a $200 electric stripper =)
[03:54:56] <pfred1> sharp scissors and then it is all in the wrist :)
[03:55:13] <Jymmm> pfred1: not teflon coated
[03:55:16] <pfred1> yup
[03:55:25] <pfred1> teflon coated that is how yo udo it with scissors
[03:55:27] <Jymmm> jacketed I mean
[03:55:54] <pcw_home> some drives with OPTO inputs leave them uncommitted (no common) so they can be driven differentially
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[04:29:46] <alex4nder> hey
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[04:41:16] <Jymmm> ho
[04:41:51] <alex4nder> sup
[04:42:17] <A0Sheds> anyone looking for a wire edm unit?
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[04:55:30] <memleak> Hello. I'm building RTAI and EMC from scratch, all by hand, I spent the past few hours modifying the ipipe kernel patches and I went to run latency-test and I have two unknown symbols in rtapi.
[04:55:52] <memleak> floor and frexp. I'm using the EMC v2.5_branch tree from git.
[04:57:14] <memleak> kernel version is and the problem in EMC seems to be in src/rtapi/rtapi_math.h
[04:59:08] <pfred1> I don't think rtai works on a kernel that new
[04:59:42] <A0Sheds> it does now :)
[05:00:16] <A0Sheds> now his problem is with EMC
[05:00:25] <pfred1> half the time it doesn't work to oswift on kernels it is supposed to work on
[05:00:58] <A0Sheds> thats why he's doing what he's doing :)
[05:02:55] <pfred1> I used
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[05:27:59] <KimK> A0Sheds: What kind of wire edm unit? Tell us about it.
[05:29:48] <Jymmm> $8500 one
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[05:34:40] <A0Sheds> KimK: old Elox unit
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[05:37:33] <A0Sheds> http://imagebin.org/210436
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[06:10:08] <KimK> A0Sheds: Thanks. But I thought you said wire unit. Isn't that a sinker?
[06:10:36] <KimK> A0Sheds: Or am I looking at it wrong?
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[06:32:18] <KimK> A0Sheds: Oops, got to go, I'll check back later.
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[09:49:24] <DJ9DJ> tag
[09:49:45] <DJ9DJ> good day! ;)
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[10:09:40] * archivist looks out at the rain and disagrees
[10:19:02] <r00t4rd3d> http://millionshort.com/
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[11:10:10] <archivist> does seem to find smaller sites
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[11:12:36] <IchGuckLive> hi all i did it today in a matter of ... the Airfoil G-code generator for my XYUV Foam cutter ->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApZLjXWWC6k
[11:12:54] <IchGuckLive> the collor is read but on youtube its blue ? ! O.O
[11:14:26] <IchGuckLive> i thik this will overrun my channel as the foamcutter modification to linuxcnc is requestet over 2K times
[11:14:51] <IchGuckLive> see you 19000 MESZ
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[11:31:09] <r00t4rd3d> Error when I try and run latency test
[11:32:50] <r00t4rd3d> Why on earth is so much personal information required to register on the forums?
[11:39:30] <jthornton> which forums?
[11:40:13] <r00t4rd3d> linuxcnc
[11:41:11] <jthornton> because we get from 50 to 100 spammers that try and register each day and we need a way to filter them out...
[11:41:22] <r00t4rd3d> come on
[11:41:37] <r00t4rd3d> thats a line of shit
[11:41:39] <jthornton> not much personal about city, state, country and zipcode
[11:42:05] <r00t4rd3d> then i fill it all out and the page just resets and blanks the entries
[11:42:14] <r00t4rd3d> when i clicked register lol
[11:43:04] <jthornton> what's your ip address? I can check for banned ip's
[11:43:16] <r00t4rd3d> holy shit now you want my ip ?
[11:43:41] <jthornton> not really I have other things to do
[11:43:58] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, I dont think you realise how bad the spam problem is
[11:44:36] <r00t4rd3d> a spammer can fill out first name last name address state city and country too
[11:44:48] <jthornton> hmmm very slow the last 10hrs only 27 spammers to filter out this morning
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[11:45:17] <jthornton> LOL and you should see what they put in there
[11:45:49] <r00t4rd3d> on google search it says linuxcnc.com might be compromised
[11:45:54] <archivist> I think the wrong forum software was used, mine gets filtered automatically a bit
[11:46:26] <jthornton> yea it is a PIA to manage since we upgraded Joomla
[11:46:42] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, it was hacked a few days ago, not sure if fixed yet
[11:47:09] <r00t4rd3d> that makes me feel even better about entering all my personal data.
[11:47:15] <jthornton> r00t4rd3d, you also might be using one of the spam blocked usernames
[11:47:23] <r00t4rd3d> <----
[11:47:45] <jthornton> nope that's not on the list
[11:48:15] <archivist> does it look for partial like r00t
[11:48:32] <jthornton> looking
[11:49:05] <jthornton> ok, I see the problem it is the 00
[11:49:18] <r00t4rd3d> aww
[11:49:18] <jthornton> r00t4rd3d, stand by for a moment
[11:49:48] <archivist> jthornton, who is fixing the current hack, anybody?
[11:50:09] <jthornton> ok, I have removed that from the restricted registration you can register with numbers now
[11:50:24] <jthornton> I'm not even aware of the hack
[11:50:40] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/ncbCh.jpg
[11:51:02] <archivist> was reported by a few of us to alex_joni a week or two ago
[11:53:03] <r00t4rd3d> lol it went through
[11:53:08] <jthornton> I only have access to the front end
[11:53:15] <r00t4rd3d> i doubt a moderator is going to approve me though
[11:53:21] <jthornton> why?
[11:53:22] <r00t4rd3d> i lied in some fields
[11:53:42] <r00t4rd3d> obvious lies
[11:53:58] <jthornton> really I look for links to boots and porn and such and zip code of 123456
[11:54:13] <r00t4rd3d> i used 69696
[11:54:33] <jthornton> lol
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[11:55:01] <jthornton> did you get the conformation e-mail?
[11:55:04] <archivist> there seems an assumption that all countries have zip codes!
[11:55:05] <r00t4rd3d> yeah
[11:56:47] <jthornton> ok, as soon as I finish blocking spammer ip's I'll take care of it
[11:59:09] <r00t4rd3d> i think i am beat with my error though
[11:59:50] <jthornton> ?
[12:00:11] <r00t4rd3d> I try and run the latency test and get a error.
[12:00:32] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, have you but a question on the mailing list too
[12:00:48] <r00t4rd3d> no
[12:01:06] <jthornton> that sounds familiar as soon as I'm done blocking spammers I'll try and find that... I think it is on the wiki
[12:01:13] <r00t4rd3d> it is
[12:01:29] <r00t4rd3d> says to add lapic to grub for an option
[12:01:45] <r00t4rd3d> did it and still the same error
[12:02:58] <archivist> hmm I remember cradek talking someone through a similar thing in here a week or three ago, should be in the logs
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[12:05:19] <ReadError> yo
[12:05:28] <r00t4rd3d> do you have a log and can you paste bin what he said?
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[12:07:23] <jthornton> logger[mah], log
[12:07:23] <logger[mah]> jthornton: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2012-05-01.html
[12:07:31] <jthornton> you can search it iirc
[12:07:50] <jthornton> logger[psha], log
[12:07:55] <jthornton> or this one I forget
[12:08:20] <Tom_itx> r00t4rd3d i want your cc number too
[12:08:26] <Tom_itx> and the security code for it
[12:08:32] <jthornton> lol
[12:08:46] <jthornton> Tom_itx, you need the expiration date for Willy too
[12:10:12] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, cradek | 2012-04-20 21:17:52 | no APIC, boot with the "lapic" boot parameter to force-enable it.
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[12:10:45] <r00t4rd3d> yeah i tried that
[12:11:50] <r00t4rd3d> i think the mini itx motherboard i was trying it on is just junk
[12:12:03] <r00t4rd3d> old
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[12:12:11] <r00t4rd3d> is a better term i guess
[12:12:51] <jthornton> try 8.04 on older hardware
[12:12:55] <r00t4rd3d> it does run windows 7 and mach3 just fine though
[12:13:10] <r00t4rd3d> yeah i downloaded that this morning
[12:13:12] <jthornton> mach will run on anything without complaining
[12:13:26] <r00t4rd3d> make emc2 do that
[12:13:34] <jthornton> welcome to the forum Willy Wonka from tub lover
[12:13:40] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[12:14:27] <jthornton> emc has to actually work so it is a bit more picky than winblows and mack
[12:15:20] <jthornton> then there is Ubuntu which is ok most of the time with most hardware
[12:15:21] <r00t4rd3d> Now I am all for agrument but windows 7 and mach 3 are working fine here, Ubuntu and LinuxCNC, not so well.
[12:15:55] <r00t4rd3d> I am a Ubuntu master, google r00t4rd3d+Ubuntu
[12:16:51] * jthornton goes to cook a piece of toast
[12:16:52] <r00t4rd3d> I normally can get anything to work.
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[12:19:19] <Tom_itx> maybe you're trying too hard. it's pretty simple to install
[12:19:35] <r00t4rd3d> it installed fine
[12:19:36] <Tom_itx> even i did it
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[12:20:08] <r00t4rd3d> running linuxcnc stuff is another story
[12:22:49] <jthornton> I had one computer that I had to install 8.04.4 on as 8.04.0 would not work
[12:23:00] <jthornton> then install the real time kernel
[12:24:41] <r00t4rd3d> im trying 8.04 now
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[13:27:06] * JT-Shop needs to practice not getting sucked into kindergarten logic arguments...
[13:30:29] <ReadError> hello
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[13:32:00] <pcw_home> olleh
[13:34:20] <JT-Shop> hall
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[13:34:40] <JT-Shop> 你好
[13:35:32] <A0Sheds> JT-Shop, "I'm rubber you're glue..."
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[13:36:27] <JT-Shop> LLOOLLL
[13:37:44] <ctjctj> I've looked through most of the docs but can't find the concise answer. I want to place a file of o subroutines where AXIS will read it every time it starts. Does everything that SUBROUTINE_PATH points to get read in?
[13:38:18] <micges> cześć :)
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[13:40:34] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La21jYGIQ8k
[13:41:11] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: no
[13:41:19] <JT-Shop> only when called
[13:43:30] <ctjctj> How do I load those subroutines to work with another ngc file? I.e. CAM program produces tons of gcode type stuff, but I want to do some things via the mdi(?) such as o100 call which is suppose to do some setup stuff for me.?
[13:44:05] <JT-Shop> you should be able to do o100 call in the MDI
[13:44:55] <JT-Shop> the subroutine gets loaded when you call it
[13:45:12] <ctjctj> I'm sorry, I'm being unclear. I have "project.ngc" and "library.ngc" library.ngc resides in SUBROUTINE_PATH. when does library.ngc get loaded? (I'm now very confused)
[13:48:13] <ctjctj> nvm. Tested and got something to work the way I wanted it to. Thank you anyway.
[13:49:05] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: glad you got it to work
[13:49:43] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: was this unclear? http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode/o-code.html#_calling_files
[13:49:49] <ctjctj> answer: in a directory in your SUBROUTINE_PATH place files. Each file contains exactly one subroutine. The files name should match the subroutine name (o100 becomes 100.ngc). Then call this as "o100 call" documented sort of in 16.6
[13:50:35] <ctjctj> JT-Shop: Yes, it was unclear as it doesn't explain what the search path is. Nor that you can not load a "library file" per say"
[13:51:21] <JT-Shop> darn, I can't link to the ini confg section from there but I'll put a note
[13:51:42] <JT-Shop> not sure what you mean by a library file???
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[13:52:25] <ctjctj> Plus the sim/axis/axis.ini does not contain a SUBROUTINE_PATH. SUBROUTINE_PATH only appears in *.ini files where other panels or interfaces are used.
[13:52:56] <JT-Shop> yea, sims may not contain all possible options
[13:53:29] <ctjctj> As a programmer a library is a collection of functions/subroutines. I expected to be able to place a single file with all of my defined subroutines someplace and have AXIS load it or search it when I make o calls.
[13:54:10] <JT-Shop> it will load subroutines as called but not every subroutine
[13:54:17] <JT-Shop> this is G code not C
[13:54:58] <ctjctj> Understood. But "load as called" does not express how the subroutines are found and the section does not even mention SUBROUTINE_PATH.
[13:55:11] <ctjctj> Got to run, I'll check back when I am back to the keyboard.
[13:55:21] <JT-Shop> right that is an ini item
[13:55:43] <JT-Shop> best I can do atm is to put a note about subroutine paths
[13:56:30] <JT-Shop> now we have exploding transformers on the forum
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[14:03:17] <JT-Shop> archivist: http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=www.linuxcnc.org
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[14:05:05] <archivist> JT-Shop, but google is seeing viagra on the site
[14:06:13] <archivist> may not be serving malicious stuff it is serving spam
[14:06:58] <archivist> ttp://support.google.com/websearch/bin/answer.py?hl=en&sqi=2&ei=ae2fT7T_BIiu8APzu6maAQ&answer=190597&?sa=X&ved=0CCsQpwgwAA
[14:07:04] <archivist> +h
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[14:10:48] <jthornton> where do you see that it sees viagra?
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[14:16:47] <archivist> a google search http://www.archivist.info/cnc/Screenshot-v.png
[14:17:32] <jthornton> oh I see it now
[14:17:33] <cradek> I set my user agent to googlebot, which made it show up for me last time. it's not there now. maybe there was something but it's fixed now?
[14:18:04] <archivist> that pict was just now for me
[14:19:12] <jthornton> my google turned up a cialis one
[14:19:16] <archivist> jymm and pcw also tried changing user agent the other day and saw the problems
[14:19:37] <cradek> ok but I'm trying to understand whether there's a problem right now
[14:20:15] <cradek> I think the answer is no?
[14:20:21] <pcw_home> Pretty sure it was fixed a week or so ago at least the massive breakage
[14:20:37] <cradek> ok thanks
[14:21:08] <archivist> who fixed and did they say they fixed!
[14:21:23] <archivist> else /me is sceptical
[14:21:24] <cradek> I think alex did something
[14:21:26] <pcw_home> unless someone can find a non-cached link thats bad
[14:21:31] <jthornton> the cialis link is this http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=linuxcnc&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CEkQjBAwBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxcnc.org%2Findex.php%2Fdownload%2F21%2F&ei=PvGfT8zxGeKoiAKahqnEAQ&usg=AFQjCNEsRUuQyXnxoEBkdzElvhAP8Nw-eQ&cad=rja
[14:22:26] <jthornton> index.php/download/21
[14:23:16] <jthornton> linuxcnc.org/index.php/download/21/ seems to be the infected file
[14:23:19] <pcw_home> looks ok to me (googlebot user agent)
[14:23:25] <cradek> same here
[14:23:42] <cradek> I actually used "Googlebot"
[14:23:59] <jthornton> I just used a regular google search and it came up
[14:24:11] <cradek> yes but that reports the past
[14:24:55] <Jymmm> alex_joni worked on it, but I dont' recall when
[14:26:36] <jthornton> if google bot crawls your website every few seconds why is a google search so old?
[14:28:49] <cradek> I don't think it does that
[14:28:50] <archivist> in the old days google took a few months to updates its caches and indexes, it is faster now but not instant
[14:29:19] <archivist> for news sites it's exceedingly fast
[14:30:14] <jthornton> if alex_joni fixed a week or two ago shouldn't the caches and indexes be updated by now
[14:30:35] <Jymmm> jthornton: not necessarily
[14:31:04] <Jymmm> jthornton: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/features_list.html#cached
[14:31:06] <archivist> depends on the allowed crawl rate and how google feels etc
[14:31:17] <jthornton> lol
[14:32:11] <archivist> I watch googles rates on my pages, from a few hundred pages a day to 30k pages a day
[14:32:20] <jthornton> well it's above my pay scale to try and fix that
[14:33:52] <archivist> I have google webmaster tools setup on my stuff
[14:35:01] * jthornton heads back to the shop
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[14:36:06] <Jymmm> Ok, I was helping alex_joni on April 22, and google indexed it on April 26. So cradek, I'm guessing we missed something and that there is still some infection somewhere.
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[14:37:36] <FredrikHson> hi i was wondering if its possible to run a forth axis without having to home it just manually zeroing it out or if theres some reliable way to make a homing switch for a rotary axis that does not require an encoder or something similar
[14:37:52] <cradek> Jymmm: thanks
[14:38:08] <cradek> FredrikHson: if you set homing velocities to zero, you can home by just manually positioning it
[14:38:34] <cradek> if you have index, you can home ONLY to index too
[14:38:44] <Jymmm> cradek: I'd manually walk thru the db for backdoors.
[14:38:57] <FredrikHson> ok good building my forth axis from some old robot arms using harmonic drives :D
[14:39:01] <cradek> I've let alex know and I hope he works on it soon
[14:39:42] <Jymmm> k
[14:42:43] <Jymmm> alex_joni: grep 'insideblock'
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[14:47:05] <JT-Shop> wow joomla current version is 2.5 and we are using 1.5.25
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[14:51:19] <JT-Shop> Joomla! 2.5 will be a so called long term release and it will be the Joomla! state of the art until July 2013
[14:51:56] <JT-Shop> User registrations with CAPTCHA
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[14:56:52] <archivist> FredrikHson, I currently use a machine level and jog to level then home one of my rotaries, the other is generally a dont care where 0 is
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[15:01:02] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop did you find the problem with your psu?
[15:01:15] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Just FYI... http://docs.joomla.org/Vulnerable_Extensions_List
[15:02:06] <FredrikHson> archivist: might do something simpler actually just mill a thin line or something in the casing and the plate that holds the chuck and manually jog it till its close enough
[15:02:51] <FredrikHson> its really only relevant if i shut the machine down before i am done not that i plan on doing that
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[15:13:06] <Jymmm> alex_joni: you can also grep for 'eval' and 'iframe'
[15:13:50] <ctjctj> What is "inverse time feed mode" and what sets it?
[15:15:44] <JT-Shop> g code changes to inverse time feed mode
[15:16:36] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode/gcode.html#_g93_g94_g95_feed_rate_mode_a_id_sec_g93_g94_g95_mode_a
[15:16:53] <ctjctj> thank you.
[15:16:59] <JT-Shop> np
[15:18:04] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: btw I updated the call section http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode/o-code.html#_calling_files
[15:19:30] <ctjctj> Thank you JT-Shop. That is very helpful. (I'm working from the PDFs mostly but I see the change on your HTML)
[15:20:31] <JT-Shop> the pdf's would have to be downloaded again to get the update which is automagic
[15:20:52] <ctjctj> And I'm beginning to see how you(plural) sort of divide things up. G code is over here in user space. HAL stuff is over there in the integrators side of things.
[15:21:44] <JT-Shop> yes, the plan is to consolidate all info to one pdf so links can be made to anywhere
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[15:40:03] <ctjctj> Ok, is there a simulated probe input configuration somewhere? (sorry for being so noob)
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[15:46:29] <micges> PCW: hi
[15:47:21] <micges> PCW: what's the version of webpack used for linuxcnc firmwares?
[15:51:42] <pcw_home> I use 13.x for Spartan3 and above and 9.2 for old Spartan 2 stuff
[15:52:05] <micges> thanks
[15:53:34] <pcw_home> I think 13.4 is current
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[15:55:21] <micges> yes
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[16:03:14] <alex4nder> hmm, building all of the RTAI bits on Debain testing wasn't actually that hard.
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[16:10:59] <Jymmm> alex_joni: FYI... there's also the #joomla channel for help as well.
[16:14:42] <Tom_itx> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Touch_Probe
[16:15:10] <Tom_itx> mmm he left
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[16:23:20] <joe9> ReadError: you around?
[16:25:29] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: yea it is broke!
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[16:31:47] <ReadError> hey joe9
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[16:55:32] <IchGuckLive> hi all around the globe
[16:55:54] <Jymmm> which globe?
[16:56:04] <djdelorie> we only have the one...
[16:56:09] <Tom_itx> Jymmm is on his own planet
[16:56:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: DAMN RIGHT! (Scotty beamed me up, cuz this place sucks!)
[16:56:46] <IchGuckLive> did you all see my new airfoil generator ? -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApZLjXWWC6k
[16:57:23] <IchGuckLive> but on windows its read on linux it is a blue frame dident know why on youtube
[16:58:10] <Jymmm> djdelorie: We HAD 9 planets, then some bastard fscked it all up and we now only have 8!
[16:58:27] <jthornton> IchGuckLive, cool
[16:58:43] <skunkworks__> eh - pluto wasn't a planet.
[16:58:46] <IchGuckLive> the ninth wars not weart to be a planet Jymmm
[16:58:46] <djdelorie> http://shirt.woot.com/friends.aspx?k=26291
[16:58:51] * skunkworks__ waits
[16:59:04] <Tom_itx> pluto is an alien drone
[16:59:10] <IchGuckLive> jthornton: thanks did you see the color red or blue
[17:00:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Nah, Pluto is fscking goofy is all <rimshot>
[17:01:11] <jthornton> I'm not sure
[17:01:19] <Jymmm> red
[17:02:00] <jthornton> pj oy
[17:02:10] <jthornton> oh it's nap time then
[17:02:40] <IchGuckLive> thanks i need to overcome some issues with the fata differences of the profiles where to ad the Extra points
[17:02:54] <IchGuckLive> but it works so far
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[17:12:49] <IchGuckLive> Folks i need your help as you all know im not the perfect english man are the Data Files on the edu page free of use ? ->http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/coord/
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[17:32:59] <pcw_home> pointy sheep: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/animals/stories/photo-sheep-parade-through-hungarian-village
[17:34:51] <andypugh> You wouldn't want to argue with them.
[17:38:55] <pcw_home> supposedly a quite friendly breed (but not available here)
[17:42:12] <pcw_home> http://bayarea.ebayclassifieds.com/livestock/petaluma/american-blackbelly-sheep-rams/?ad=18405421
[17:42:13] <pcw_home> are the rams of the type of sheep we have, but I am forbidden to have a ram here by SO
[17:42:15] <pcw_home> (she thinks I will get careless and butted)
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[17:45:38] <andypugh> I assume that "hydraulic rams" are called that for a reason.
[17:46:55] <Jymmm> andypugh: Sounds better than "hydraulic goats"
[17:47:18] <andypugh> OK, i back tracked and founs some very cute piglets.
[17:48:16] <alex4nder> sup
[17:50:04] <Jymmm> andypugh: Bringing on the cuteness... http://i39.tinypic.com/6jhvkl.jpg
[17:50:04] <archivist> large hydraulic rams needed for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderton_Boat_Lift
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[17:50:36] <andypugh> Not to be confused with the Anderton Boar Lift
[17:51:04] <archivist> I went on it the last year of electric operation
[17:57:36] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://i42.tinypic.com/2vueqgi.jpg
[17:57:55] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://i43.tinypic.com/s3g60h.jpg
[17:58:13] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://i42.tinypic.com/35cptee.jpg
[17:58:43] <andypugh> Jymmm: ?
[17:58:54] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://i41.tinypic.com/2ykaqo1.jpg
[17:59:05] <Jymmm> andypugh: I told you the cuteness was coming
[17:59:54] <Jymmm> http://i41.tinypic.com/33esu4m.jpg
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[18:01:47] <Jymmm> http://i43.tinypic.com/ef52f.jpg
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[20:16:57] <sliptonic_shop> After upgrading to 2.5.0 the custom config I'm using to do raster engraving on my laser broke. It's giving me this error: http://pastebin.com/fahMe9Qs
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[20:18:00] <sliptonic_shop> The config is based on one documented on buildlog. Code is here: https://github.com/bjj/2x_laser
[20:19:30] <micges> sliptonic_shop: stat.origin was splitted into stat.g5x_offset and stat.g9x_offset
[20:21:40] <sliptonic_shop> micges: Thanks. I'm not much of coder so I might need a bit more to go on. Can you point me to some documentation?
[20:22:15] <micges> I'll look
[20:22:37] <micges> for now just simply rename stat.origin to stat.g5x_offset and it should work
[20:24:16] <micges> I think there is no documentation about this module
[20:24:20] <micges> only source code
[20:24:33] <sliptonic_shop> o.k. I'll try. Thanks.
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[20:42:34] <rob_h> nice new video of chnc in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLSZy5pwI4
[20:43:41] * Jymmm and JT-Shop would much rather see a nice old chnc in action!
[20:43:45] <syyl_> are you running it with oil as a cooleant?
[20:44:07] <rob_h> yes
[20:44:18] <syyl_> isnt that a horrible mess? :D
[20:44:26] <andypugh> g54x_offset
[20:44:26] <rob_h> depends on oils
[20:44:37] <syyl_> but its running nice
[20:44:46] <rob_h> this one not too bad.. not quite sure on it, might try something else later
[20:44:52] <rob_h> but i had a 205 drum of it, was free so
[20:44:53] <andypugh> Ignore me, typing in the wrong window
[20:45:08] <Jymmm> \ignore andypugh
[20:45:21] <Jymmm> done =)
[20:45:44] <andypugh> I like the idea of oil as coolant, no need to worry about tramp oil skimming.
[20:45:50] <rob_h> that it
[20:45:55] <rob_h> that lthe sits for month some times no use
[20:46:01] <rob_h> so coolant always goes off in it
[20:46:02] <alex4nder> aww yah, the PS3 controller is acting as LinuxCNC pendant and mouse replacement.
[20:46:04] <rob_h> was a pain
[20:46:09] <andypugh> I think Mobil do one meant for spindle lube, way lube and coolant. Sounds ideal.
[20:46:27] <rob_h> yea not made no more
[20:46:32] <rob_h> 400 number one i think 401
[20:46:42] <rob_h> was on mailing list talked about
[20:46:54] <JT-Shop> did you sort out the spindle?
[20:47:04] <rob_h> no not yet
[20:47:16] <rob_h> its doing 3000rpm in that vid
[20:47:18] <JT-Shop> using blood for coolant?
[20:47:32] <rob_h> yea when u out just pop down to local blood bank
[20:47:41] <JT-Shop> LOL
[20:49:48] <rob_h> oil is much cleaner to work with on the parts i find.. and better finish finding too. unless just new ac servos and all the TLC it has had
[20:50:19] <andypugh> It seems that Mobilmet 404 replaced Mobilmet Omicron.
[20:50:45] <andypugh> That was a document from 2010
[20:51:50] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[20:55:03] <andypugh> Ah, looks like you now want 440 for a tri-purpose oil: http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENINDMOMobilmet_440.aspx
[20:56:05] <rob_h> just what it is like on misting too on steel, i found on steel what i got there would produce abit of mist
[20:56:13] <rob_h> but filter mist on machine took care of that
[20:58:10] <Tom_itx> what is that crap red lube in the video?
[20:58:14] * JT-Shop is fly cutting a piece of 3" wide steel to taper from 3/8" to 1/8" thick
[20:59:22] <rob_h> Tom_itx, its neating cutting oil that happens to be a red colour.. others are clear. some other shades.. depends what you buy
[20:59:38] <syyl_> i like the red :D
[21:02:27] <JT-Shop> I have a small 1/4hp steam engine kit to build from castings. I've machined cast iron very little any suggestions are welcome.
[21:03:12] <andypugh> It's easy to machine, but makes a mess.
[21:03:50] <syyl_> vac cleaner is nice when machining cast iron
[21:04:01] <syyl_> and you can machine it dry
[21:04:12] <JT-Shop> I have a vac next to the BP
[21:05:02] <Tom_itx> i've seen red oil before just wondered
[21:05:19] <JT-Shop> iirc it makes little tiny chips
[21:05:29] <Tom_itx> the stuff we used was water based and blueish in a concentrate and milky when mixed
[21:06:10] <Tom_itx> i forget what it was
[21:06:24] <Connor> I need to clean out my shop vac before it explodes. :)
[21:06:49] <Jymmm> Connor: toss a match in it, that' clean it out easiest
[21:07:10] <Connor> Yea, but, I want to be able to use after.
[21:07:13] <Connor> :)
[21:07:28] <syyl_> seems like it needs a blowout hatch ;)
[21:07:38] <syyl_> for save exploding
[21:07:39] <Jymmm> You can, as an example of how NOT to clean out a shop vac
[21:07:44] <Connor> Anyone use a vortex infront of their shopvac ?
[21:08:06] <JT-Shop> the base http://imagebin.org/210551
[21:08:26] <Jymmm> syyl_: anybody can make something explode, buy purrrty colors is an art!
[21:08:34] <Jymmm> but
[21:08:46] <Connor> I was thinking of getting one, but, I think I need to get a metal one vs a plastic one.. I think the plastic would be scared up and torn to shreds after a while of being used.
[21:09:02] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: base of?
[21:09:15] <andypugh> Do pay attention Jymmm
[21:09:34] <Jymmm> andypugh: too po, see I can't even afford the 'or'
[21:12:00] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: Model No 6 Steam engine
[21:12:13] <Jymmm> ah
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[21:13:11] <Jymmm> all I have is a bench grinder with a so-so wheel, whats the easiest way to thin the edge of a blade?
[21:13:50] <Jymmm> iirc 1065 carbon steel
[21:17:48] <andypugh> I don't think you have the right tool for the job, if you want a neat result.
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[21:20:47] <JT-Shop> now to figure out how to hold the base to flatten the bottom
[21:21:47] <andypugh> machine vice and toolmakers jacks?
[21:23:17] <JT-Shop> I have some edge clamps that might work... I need some toolmakers jacks
[21:24:24] <andypugh> You can use nuts and bolts. But you only get so much adjutment, obviously. Do you have long-connector nuts as part of a hold-down set?
[21:26:34] <JT-Shop> no, just the run of the mill hold down set
[21:26:59] <JT-Shop> would you machine the bottom flat first then the top?
[21:27:16] <JT-Shop> seems the bottom is a bit out of level compared to the top
[21:27:32] <andypugh> I would definitely make a reference face of the bottom.
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[21:57:49] <alex4nder> sigh
[21:58:08] <alex4nder> hal_input is consuming 50% of this machine's CPU
[21:58:56] * JT-Shop hands alex4nder a cold beer
[21:59:35] <alex4nder> this playstation controller is outputting multi-touch events (?)
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[22:04:31] <alex4nder> ... sure enough.. the HID description calls them out as such.
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[22:16:24] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: cardboard wheels
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[22:46:10] <JT-Shop> what a mess that was
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[23:29:16] <andypugh> Am I stil here?
[23:29:36] <micges> yes, you don't ;)
[23:31:19] <micges> (my friend after 6 years of learning english could only say 'Yes, I don't' and 'Do you wanna eat my plane?' :))
[23:31:52] <andypugh> Not a gifted linguist then?
[23:32:10] <micges> rather not
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[23:33:42] <skunkworks__> houston...
[23:34:05] <JT-Shop> I'd have to say that is more than I can say in French, Spanish and Portuguese... I do know a couple of words in each
[23:34:29] <skunkworks__> I can count to 20 in french
[23:34:38] <skunkworks__> maybe
[23:34:56] <JT-Shop> I can order 3 eggs and ask for my buddies steak to be well cooked in french
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[23:35:35] <JT-Shop> turn off the water in Poruguese... count to 3 and say yo caro taco bell
[23:36:25] <JT-Shop> and my wife an the MIL both speak Spanish all the time...
[23:36:52] <JT-Shop> Sam how is the ... going?
[23:37:52] <skunkworks__> other than the flu... good.
[23:38:10] <skunkworks__> how about you? Internet still working?
[23:38:24] <micges> after 3 days in hungary I could say only one word: 'barlang' - cave
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[23:39:24] <JT-Shop> yea, most bugs have been worked out of the satellite connection
[23:39:56] <djdelorie> my son just came back from a week in Italy. He said they all speak English over there. "You know, like spaghetti, lasagna, rigatoni..."
[23:40:22] <micges> heh
[23:40:29] <JT-Shop> in Italy they don't eat Italian food I here
[23:41:13] <JT-Shop> that was invented by Chef Boyardee
[23:42:12] <skunkworks__> sure
[23:43:10] <JT-Shop> micges: what was the connection with a cave?
[23:43:24] <JT-Shop> hear
[23:43:33] <JT-Shop> crap can't speeellll
[23:43:52] <djdelorie> Bad spellers of the world, untie!
[23:44:03] <Connor> Hey guys, question about spindle control and spindle speed.
[23:44:25] <micges> we looked some caves near balaton
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[23:44:43] <Connor> I want to take rpm count from my spindle and feed it into emc, and have it "adjust" the PWM output to compensate for being off a bit..
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[23:45:23] <Connor> so, my first question is, what do I need to do to read the input from the RPM sensor?
[23:45:57] <Connor> 2nd, how do I adjust the PWM output to compensate for the difference in target speed vs current speed ?
[23:46:16] <JT-Shop> RPM sensor?
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[23:46:31] <micges> Connor: what rpm sensor? tick per rotation or encoder?
[23:46:43] <Connor> tick's per rotation.
[23:46:48] <Connor> I think it's like 16
[23:47:25] <JT-Shop> any of this have any merit? http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/examples/spindle.html#_spindle_feedback_a_id_spindle_feedback_a
[23:47:58] <JT-Shop> micges: diving in the lake caves?
[23:49:23] <micges> no, man made caves
[23:49:41] <micges> I like caves and I'm afraid of diving
[23:49:49] <JT-Shop> just googled it and it looks like a nice place
[23:50:32] <micges> it's great
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[23:52:59] <micges> Tihany, on biggest peninsula of balaton
[23:53:25] <JT-Shop> yea, I see it
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[23:54:25] <JT-Shop> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tihanycivertanlegi3.jpg
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[23:55:04] <JT-Shop> not a cheap place to buy a house
[23:56:01] <micges> Budapest is at least twice cheaper that this
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[23:59:23] <micges> JT-Shop: http://www.panoramio.com/photo/11724027