#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-04-28

[00:01:14] <andypugh> You could risk trying the fix first. Perhaps tell the vendor first?
[00:01:35] <roycroft> i already contacted the seller
[00:01:48] <andypugh> (i hate it when look back and find I have used the same word twice in a sentence)
[00:01:48] <roycroft> i'm going to wait for her reply before doing anything
[00:02:09] <roycroft> i have to test the display it self, of course
[00:02:15] <roycroft> if the whole thing is dead it's going back
[00:02:23] <roycroft> and i need to go get a cable for that, which i'll be doing presently
[00:02:37] <roycroft> i'm sure i can repair this controller board, but i'd rather she sent me a replacement
[00:02:47] <roycroft> then i can repair the damaged one at my convenience, and have a spare
[00:03:12] <roycroft> interestingly, this touch screen interface is usb, not rs232
[00:03:23] <andypugh> So is mine.
[00:03:24] <roycroft> hopefully the x11 that ships with ubuntu can deal with that
[00:03:48] <andypugh> I know that the Eeti driver works OK with EMC2
[00:03:52] * roycroft heads off to the recycle store to procure a cable for $2
[00:04:02] <roycroft> the elo driver works with emc2 - i've tested with my crt display
[00:04:13] <roycroft> as along as that driver works with this controller i'll be fine
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[00:43:27] <roycroft> the display itself works great
[00:44:33] <roycroft> and i bet i could get the touch screen interface working, for testing, by putting the crystal back on with a hot glue gun
[00:44:54] <jdhNC> no solder?
[00:44:58] <andypugh> I love my new display, but that might be justifying how much I spent on it :-) But is does have an excellent viewing angle and an awful lot of pixels.
[00:45:06] <jdhNC> if it came off, what else might be wrong.
[00:45:13] <roycroft> i spent $46 on mine :)
[00:45:19] <jdhNC> andypugh: a big screen is nice, two of them is better.
[00:45:39] <roycroft> jdhnc: i just want to see if the touchscreen controller works
[00:45:45] <roycroft> if it does i'll fix it properly
[00:46:02] <roycroft> but especially until i hear back from the seller i don't want to solder anything
[00:46:11] <andypugh> jdhNC: Well, this is 2560x1440
[00:46:34] <roycroft> that seems somewhat excessive for touchy
[00:46:38] <jdhNC> right, so 5120x1440 would be even better.
[00:47:02] <andypugh> Well, there is a port for an external monitor, so it could be done.
[00:47:26] <jdhNC> I have thrown away quite a few working elo screens due to bad inverters on the lcd
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[00:47:50] <andypugh> roycroft: This isn't my LinuxCNC machine.
[00:48:30] <roycroft> i figured not
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[00:51:26] <andypugh> For fun, checking latency in a LinuxCNC VM… 7594541nS. I think that might be the worst ever?
[00:53:13] <roycroft> that's suboptimal, certainly
[00:54:01] <andypugh> Wierdly, before I upgraded to the 64-bit VMware that was giving a rather unfeasible (for a VM) 7000nS latency. I doubt either are true.
[00:54:46] <Valen> I want a ~5" lcd with touch screen
[00:54:49] <Valen> bare
[00:54:59] <Valen> and for less than the price of a 16" tv
[00:55:01] <andypugh> I think they exist
[00:55:04] <Valen> not looking promising
[00:55:06] <jdhNC> I have some lilliput 7" ones, they were $100ish
[00:56:15] <Valen> touch?
[00:56:25] <jdhNC> yeah,never used the touch part though
[00:56:33] <Valen> i want it to run my oven
[00:56:44] <andypugh> Thorw away the GPS part? http://www.ebay.co.uk/ctg/Binatone-X350-Automotive-GPS-Receiver-/63409631
[00:56:58] <jdhNC> these ran a convoluted bar code reader
[00:57:10] <Valen> andypugh: 3.5" smaller than i wanted
[00:57:26] <Valen> I was going to hook it up to mythtv as well
[00:57:34] <Valen> oven can watch TV = made of win lol
[00:57:50] <andypugh> Ah, yes, stupid eBay search
[00:58:33] <jdhNC> looks like tehy are 175ish now
[00:58:38] <Valen> ouch
[00:59:19] <Valen> because these exist http://www.dealextreme.com/p/7-0-resistive-touch-screen-android-2-3-tablet-pc-with-camera-wi-fi-tf-hdmi-silver-black-107320?item=1
[01:00:23] <Valen> I spose i could just use one of those (or similar) but I want something thats going to last for many years and i have my doubts about tablets
[01:00:30] <theorbtwo> Careful with oven -- needs to run reliably when hot, and grease + touchscreen seems like bad idea.
[01:00:58] <Valen> nah there is a cooling fan there, sucks outside air in past the electrical area
[01:01:06] <theorbtwo> Oh, handy.
[01:01:17] <roycroft> if this touch screen works out i'm going to buy a bunch more
[01:01:30] <Valen> i think its mainly to keep the skin temp of the oven down
[01:01:34] <roycroft> i have other machines that i want to cnc, and at the price i paid i can afford a few spares
[01:01:51] <Valen> otherwise I get a 19" screen and put it in the kitchen and run the oven headless
[01:03:06] <Valen> this is closer http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/556530265/8_0_inch_lcd_display_with.html
[01:07:32] <andypugh> Valen: Do you need colour? http://www.ledsee.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=125&category_id=23&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
[01:07:59] <Valen> I spose i don't but I would really like it
[01:08:29] <andypugh> That's 5.147" by my reckoning
[01:09:31] <andypugh> The 12" touchscreen is cheaper, though
[01:10:06] <andypugh> Ah, bit doesn't include a display, it is just the touch part...
[01:18:22] <andypugh> Valen: Interesting, the description doesn't say it is a touchscreen, but the review does…. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lilliput-UM70-Display-USB-powered-Monitor/dp/B003DPW5IY/ref=/ref=cm_cd_t_pb_t (yes, it's a bit bigger)
[01:18:47] <Valen> usb connection though, no chance of video
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[01:20:13] <Valen> hdmi would be ideal
[01:26:02] <andypugh> I found a 7" HDMI touchscreen. Not cheap though
[01:26:16] <Valen> 4x the price of an android tablet?
[01:26:39] <Valen> hah! http://www.omnivisionusa.com/monitors/replacement-crt/crt-monitors/5-inch-low-profile-kit-.html rock it old school
[01:27:17] <andypugh> Valen: Basicall, yes. £160
[01:28:16] <djdelorie> Valen: I have two of those (not *exactly* the same of course)
[01:28:17] <Valen> found this http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/416182780/5_7_Sunlight_Readable_Open_Frame.html nfi on price though
[01:28:43] <andypugh> Valen: Not touchy?
[01:28:57] <Valen> i could put a touch panel in front of it i guess
[01:29:32] <djdelorie> the front isn't flat, a touch panel wouldn't work on it
[01:29:54] <Valen> djdelorie: oh your talking about the CRT?
[01:29:58] <djdelorie> yeah
[01:30:03] <Valen> that was a joke ;->
[01:31:29] <roycroft> there are flexible touch panels :)
[01:31:36] <andypugh> Valen: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sharp-5-7-TFT-LCD-w-Touch-Screen-High-Bright-w-Cable-/400293266302
[01:31:41] <Valen> steam punk it up you think
[01:33:06] <Valen> andypugh: dunno what interface that is
[01:33:11] <andypugh> Valen: Aha! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-3-TFT-LCD-Module-Touch-Screen-Panel-480-x-272Pixels-/170739460176
[01:33:29] <Valen> thats looking more like it
[01:35:52] <Valen> http://www.ebay.nl/itm/4-inch-Raw-LCD-Screen-Monitor-Universal-RCA-Composite-Video-Input-4-inch-/400271639404?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d320c836c#ht_2507wt_1398 perhaps
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[01:38:06] <andypugh> Not touchy?
[01:38:17] <Valen> yeah i know
[01:38:40] <Valen> Its really feeling like the easiest option is going to be a 15" touch screen for the kitchen
[01:38:47] <Valen> but i really don't like that idea
[01:38:56] <Valen> control should be on the device
[01:44:44] <Valen> ahh well time to go crawl around in the roof i guess
[01:45:33] <Valen> http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Apple-iPad-2-2nd-Gen-Compatible-LCD-Display-Screen-Replacement-Parts-Repair-/230754449862#ht_3724wt_1165 now thats an oven !
[01:45:33] <Valen> lol
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[01:51:54] <Valen> yeah it looks like I'll have to get a composite input car reverse screen and rip it apart
[01:51:57] <Valen> add a touch screen
[01:56:26] <djdelorie> buy a cheap android tablet and connect over wifi ?
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[02:02:47] <jdhNC> connor: where are the direct drive Z plans?
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[02:14:07] <r00t4rd3d> anyone got a tip on a nema23 2.0a motor on the cheap?
[02:14:21] <jdhNC> how cheap is cheap
[02:14:27] <r00t4rd3d> 34.16
[02:14:32] <r00t4rd3d> is max
[02:15:15] <r00t4rd3d> the one i want that matches my others, 50 cents over on shipping :/
[02:15:39] <r00t4rd3d> anyone got a sparkfun promo code :)
[02:16:40] <r00t4rd3d> the 2 motors i have now are 57BYGH420
[02:19:29] <jdhNC> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221008429799
[02:21:17] <Tom_itx> motor or stepper?
[02:29:00] <r00t4rd3d> stepper
[02:29:12] <r00t4rd3d> jdhNC, 1.8a
[02:31:43] <r00t4rd3d> Rated Voltage: 3V
[02:31:43] <r00t4rd3d> Rated Current: 2A/Phase
[02:32:05] <r00t4rd3d> is what I have now, 2 of them. Want to match it with one more.
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[02:42:24] <Tom_itx> http://www.kelinginc.net/PK266-02A.pdf
[02:43:10] <Valen> rebooting mothers tv computer, over wifi, after kernel updates, 600km away
[02:43:14] <Tom_itx> http://www.kelinginc.net/NEMA23Motor.html
[02:43:18] <Tom_itx> #6
[02:43:19] <Valen> why does it always seem to take sooo long
[02:43:46] <Tom_itx> tell her to stop messin with the cables
[02:44:04] <Valen> the wifi is at her end :-<
[02:44:19] <jdhNC> the machine won't care if they are identical
[02:45:40] <Tom_itx> price seemed to matter
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[02:46:14] <Tom_itx> although it'll cost more than $5 to ship it
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[02:47:01] <jdhNC> I saw that one first since I was already on the page
[02:47:07] <Valen> kernel panic
[02:47:09] <Valen> awesome
[02:47:55] <Tom_itx> #4 is cheaper
[02:48:03] <Tom_itx> but more Amps
[02:48:26] <jdhNC> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-23
[02:48:33] <jdhNC> the new web site is prettier
[02:48:43] <Tom_itx> i'm hoping to get my new geckos wired up soon
[02:49:25] <jdhNC> so... my saga last night with the C41 speed controller. I got a new rev 2 board, the manual is only for Rev1.1 and this one also requires 5vdc along with 12-24vdc
[02:50:05] <Tom_itx> i wondered what you were talking about since i didn't know what a C41 was
[02:50:05] <jdhNC> but, it doesn't say anything about 5v in the docs, it just says 'power requirements 12vdc 200mA' (and other places 300mA)
[02:50:21] <Tom_itx> got it working?
[02:50:22] <jdhNC> pwm->0-10vdc board
[02:50:34] <jdhNC> yeah, after hooking up 5V.
[02:51:02] <Tom_itx> i gotta find a cabinet to put all this stuff in
[02:51:34] <jdhNC> The board in the docs had a 7805 so I assumed the 5V was outputs for something
[02:52:00] <jdhNC> I got 3 cheap keling drives, they are going to take up a lot of space
[02:52:13] <Tom_itx> get a smps for it
[02:52:13] <Tom_itx> the linear will run hot
[02:52:13] <Tom_itx> with very much v drop on it
[02:52:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/psu_index.php
[02:52:18] <Tom_itx> started a page finally
[02:52:28] <Tom_itx> need to add a bunch of stuff to it
[02:52:33] <Tom_itx> lucked into that heatsink
[02:52:37] <Tom_itx> scrap yard
[02:53:38] <jdhNC> 'hoss' should have removed his week old dishes from the machine before taking these pics.
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[03:13:27] <Tom_itx> gotta get some boards done up to mount the caps to and find a box to put all that and 2 mesa cards in and maybe the atom pc.. i'm not sure about it
[03:13:36] <Tom_itx> i may leave it standalone
[03:14:05] <Tom_itx> i wish i had another one of them
[03:14:17] <jdhNC> buy one
[03:14:33] <Tom_itx> it's not at the top of the list currently
[03:15:06] <jdhNC> If I can get to the back of this closet, I have a bigass PC case that could hold everything.
[03:15:19] <Tom_itx> i was lucky to get the geckos
[03:15:29] <jdhNC> they look nice and are very compact.
[03:15:37] <Tom_itx> i have another pc i could use for it
[03:15:39] <Tom_itx> that would hold the mesa cards etc
[03:15:41] <jdhNC> but, my 5amp drives were $49/each
[03:15:51] <Tom_itx> yeah
[03:16:19] <Tom_itx> do the chinese ones lower the current when idle?
[03:16:24] <jdhNC> I have the mesa boards mounted on a piece of plexi that I can mount vertically.
[03:16:39] <jdhNC> not these, the $70 ones do.
[03:17:08] <jdhNC> I sure how low current would do on the Z with a ballscrew
[03:17:13] <jdhNC> err.. not sure
[03:18:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/pendant.jpg
[03:18:39] <Tom_itx> i did finally stick mine on some plexi to keep from shorting em out
[03:18:52] <Tom_itx> and to mount some D25's to
[03:18:55] <jdhNC> I need a shorter 50-pin ribbon cable
[03:19:37] <Tom_itx> it's gettin pretty filled up now
[03:19:48] <jdhNC> that's a 7i47?
[03:20:26] <jdhNC> heh, took a while for the pic to finish loading, now I can see the label
[03:21:16] <Tom_itx> yes
[03:21:16] <Tom_itx> i made the cable
[03:21:16] <Tom_itx> i need to restart my router
[03:21:16] <Tom_itx> lemme do that
[03:21:27] <jdhNC> does it run windows?
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[03:22:15] <Tom_itx> not the router
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[03:22:23] <Tom_itx> brb
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[03:24:48] <Tom_itx> should load quick now
[03:25:37] <jdhNC> you can drive leds straight with no resistor?
[03:25:50] <Tom_itx> those have builtin resistors
[03:25:59] <Tom_itx> some i had on hand
[03:28:05] <Tom_itx> my local guy has those 50 pin connectors
[03:28:25] <Tom_itx> and i had a bunch of old scsi cables
[03:28:42] <jdhNC> I found tons of 50pin IDC male connectors at work
[03:28:55] <jdhNC> only two females, and they didn't have the back part
[03:29:21] <Tom_itx> the ends are easy to crack off
[03:29:27] <Tom_itx> making them useless
[03:30:23] <Thetawaves> jdhNC, what kind of leds do you have and what kind of power are you feeding them?
[03:30:51] <Tom_itx> mine are just there for testing
[03:31:04] <Thetawaves> in pendant.jpg?
[03:31:04] <jdhNC> I have thousands, doesn't everyone?
[03:31:11] <Tom_itx> yeah
[03:31:14] <Tom_itx> that's an old pic
[03:31:24] <Thetawaves> whats this 'without resistors' bit
[03:31:38] <Tom_itx> you can get leds with builtin resistors
[03:31:48] <Tom_itx> that's what those are
[03:31:56] <Thetawaves> oh oh oh red and yellow
[03:32:04] <Thetawaves> i was looking at the smd leds
[03:32:16] <Tom_itx> no, those are part of the mesa board
[03:32:53] <Tom_itx> using an led is better than burning something up
[03:33:08] <jdhNC> too bad, I was hoping the board had current limiting built in.
[03:33:17] <Tom_itx> it may
[03:33:19] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[03:33:41] <Tom_itx> i dunno what those driver chips are
[03:33:43] <jdhNC> stick a few in and find out for me on your board.
[03:33:52] <jdhNC> supposed to do 24mA max
[03:34:23] <Tom_itx> i run a few of the ouputs single ended too
[03:34:42] <Tom_itx> you can see the resistors on the connectors
[03:35:06] <Tom_itx> err inputs..
[03:36:05] <jdhNC> does it have internal pull-ups?
[03:36:52] <Tom_itx> i don't remember now, i think you can set it in software
[03:38:14] <Tom_itx> it's been a while since i set all that up
[03:38:39] <jdhNC> The /TX(N) and /RX(N) signals are the noninverted
[03:38:41] <jdhNC> RS-422 signals.
[03:38:55] <jdhNC> that explains why the PWM signal was backwards
[03:39:13] <Tom_itx> yup
[03:39:59] <Tom_itx> i probably could have gotten by with just a buffer board
[03:40:20] <jdhNC> me too, but not much difference.
[03:40:21] <Tom_itx> it's nice for encoders though
[03:41:49] <jdhNC> I was planning on adding a spindle encoder, but the spindle seems to have a single channel one already
[03:42:00] <Tom_itx> this'll go on my sherline for now but i'm getting it all set up for a bigger mill
[03:43:44] <ReadError> backlash compensation is AWESOME
[03:44:02] <jdhNC> ReadError: it's a kludge, it only looks awesome
[03:44:02] <ReadError> got it dialed in PERFECT
[03:44:18] <ReadError> how when i press it
[03:44:21] <ReadError> the motor jumps
[03:45:07] <ReadError> controlling this thing down to 0.0001" is pretty awesome
[03:45:24] <ReadError> one ten THOUSANDTH
[03:45:38] <Tom_itx> i can read
[03:45:48] <Tom_itx> heat will change it more than that
[03:45:53] <ReadError> yea im just amazed
[03:46:09] <Tom_itx> it's better to fix it in hardware as much as possible
[03:46:10] <ReadError> sorry noob here :)
[03:46:20] <ReadError> yea i think theres something i can do
[03:46:25] <ReadError> im going to talk to alex4nder
[03:46:45] <Tom_itx> you can preload the screws
[03:47:03] <Tom_itx> but a nice tight fit is better yet
[03:47:24] <ReadError> i havnt seen any off the shelf solution for this taig
[03:52:54] <ReadError> with chrome and all that running
[03:53:02] <ReadError> my max jitter on base is 16k
[03:53:04] <ReadError> acceptable?
[03:53:14] <ReadError> doesnt seem to change depending on what i have open
[04:17:33] <jdhNC> try running it then dd if=/dev/zero of=foo.bar bs=1024 count=10000
[04:18:02] <Jymmm> jdhNC: WTH?
[04:19:44] <Jymmm> jdhNC: who are you telling that to and why?
[04:20:32] <Valen> thats not going to do anything paticularly bad
[04:20:39] <Jymmm> jdhNC: If that's suppose to be a joke, it's not funny in the least.
[04:20:44] <Valen> just make a large file
[04:20:55] <Valen> actually its only 100mbyte
[04:21:03] <Jymmm> doesn't matter
[04:21:04] <Valen> whats the problem
[04:21:19] <Valen> its a decent way of causing some disk load
[04:23:12] <ReadError> jdhNC, 19k
[04:23:27] <Jymmm> there are burnin utils that do far better
[04:23:44] <Valen> ReadError: starting glxgears do anything? it often causes a ~30k spike
[04:24:14] <Valen> still not seeing what the OMG indignation is about
[04:24:27] <ReadError> 16.5k with glxgears running
[04:24:32] <ReadError> and xchat, chrome
[04:24:46] <ReadError> and flash
[04:24:54] <Valen> just to be sure, you *started* glxgears after starting the latency test?
[04:25:13] <ReadError> yea
[04:25:28] <ReadError> thats on base
[04:25:30] <Valen> nifty
[04:25:36] <ReadError> 49k on servo
[04:25:52] <Valen> our intel board runs ~4k i think but has 30K spikes when starting openGl stuff
[04:25:56] <ReadError> for max jitter
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[04:36:52] <jdhNC> geez d00d... it just makes a file, not a particularly huge one either.
[04:38:44] <Tom_itx> you mustuv hit Jymmm's funny bone
[04:54:23] <alex4nder> yoh
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[04:56:52] <jdhNC> I guess I should mention 'rm foo.bar' afterwards for completeness.
[04:57:34] <alex4nder> Valen: which intel board?
[04:58:21] <Tom_itx> jdhNC why? microsoft doesn't
[05:13:00] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Initially, I misread the of= as /dev/sdx, BUT my biggest bitch was that you randomly gave a dangerous command not directed to anyoen specifically and more so that you gave no hint that one should be careful not to typo the command as they could fuck things up. People on irc will see some command and just try it out not knowing. A little warning would have been nice for those that have no clue.
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[05:14:17] <ReadError> alex4nder
[05:14:22] <ReadError> what kinda backlash you get?
[05:14:33] <jdhNC> someone got you to read mail really fast one time didn't they.
[05:14:35] <ReadError> im at like 0.0034
[05:15:13] <ReadError> Jymmm: im a linux system admin
[05:15:24] <ReadError> i know _alot_ about linux
[05:15:37] <ReadError> not so much about CNC/machining
[05:16:05] <ReadError> and i noticed the of= didnt output to any device
[05:16:08] <ReadError> but rather a file
[05:16:59] <Jymmm> jdhNC: No, just when you have a channel of 500+ on a somewhat learning irc network there have been times that system went poof becasue the person gave no warning. You wouldn't put a knife/gun in the table and walk away for a few moments, would you?
[05:17:23] <ReadError> when in doubt, rm -rf /
[05:17:44] <Tom_itx> it would thin out the fools
[05:17:44] <Jymmm> ReadError: That too you shouldn't just put on irc
[05:17:52] <jdhNC> yeah, that's "read mail really fast"
[05:18:13] <Jymmm> ReadError: and you KNOW better, some don't
[05:18:22] <Tom_itx> irc cops are doing a random drug test tonight
[05:19:10] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'll remember that the next time you might need some help and I give a command for you to try.
[05:19:13] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't be foolish enough to try something i didn't first understand
[05:19:25] <Jymmm> Uh huh
[05:19:38] <Tom_itx> so i wouldn't try your command without finding out what it did
[05:19:52] <Jymmm> only out of fear now
[05:19:57] <Tom_itx> nope
[05:20:01] <Tom_itx> just how i roll
[05:20:32] <alex4nder> ReadError: sup
[05:20:56] <alex4nder> ReadError: I'm at about 2 thou on X and Y and .. pretty much nothing on Z
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[05:21:26] <Tom_itx> i ask questions here and expect good advice but i'd be a fool if i didn't follow up and find out for myself first
[05:21:41] <ReadError> alex4nder: did you adjust the nuts?
[05:21:42] <ReadError> or stock
[05:21:54] <alex4nder> I adjusted the nuts.
[05:22:03] <alex4nder> well, the nuts that preload the bearings
[05:22:09] <alex4nder> I also broke a set of bearings because of it
[05:22:09] <ReadError> oh i havnt done anything yet
[05:22:15] <ReadError> ide rtfm
[05:22:19] <ReadError> but there is nothing ;/
[05:22:30] <alex4nder> I'd spend some time milling
[05:22:42] <alex4nder> the only reason I even touched mine is because my mill came with handles
[05:22:43] <Tom_itx> are there springs behind the preloaded nuts?
[05:22:46] <alex4nder> no
[05:23:08] <Tom_itx> that would be a good start
[05:23:18] <alex4nder> there is bearing, spacer, bearing, dial bearing, coupler half, nut
[05:23:19] <ReadError> alex4nder: I got it dialed in using compensation
[05:23:25] <alex4nder> ReadError: yah
[05:23:31] <alex4nder> just use your mill
[05:23:32] <ReadError> where i can move it .0001
[05:23:39] <ReadError> with the compensation
[05:23:47] <ReadError> but thats w/o a load
[05:24:03] <alex4nder> what are you measuring 1/10 of a thou with?
[05:24:10] <ReadError> well
[05:24:18] <ReadError> i move it 10x 0.0001
[05:24:23] <alex4nder> sure
[05:24:26] <alex4nder> cool
[05:24:26] <ReadError> and it goes moves 0.001
[05:24:38] <ReadError> i just press it 10 times @ 0.0001
[05:24:45] <ReadError> and it end up being 0.001
[05:25:05] <alex4nder> next you'll be freaking out about your runout. ;)
[05:25:56] <Tom_itx> absolutely
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[05:26:24] <alex4nder> ReadError: what're you going to mill this weekend?
[05:27:43] <ReadError> probably just some engraving'
[05:27:50] <ReadError> took some time learning the software
[05:27:57] <ReadError> and getting it set up
[05:28:00] <alex4nder> nice
[05:28:03] <ReadError> but now i think im good too go
[05:28:21] <alex4nder> time to go break something
[05:28:23] <alex4nder> maybe an endmill
[05:28:31] <ReadError> hah yea
[05:28:38] <ReadError> i got some cheap dremel bits
[05:28:40] <ReadError> to test with
[05:28:53] <ReadError> the ball and cone style one
[05:29:19] <Tom_itx> get some real cutters
[05:29:57] <alex4nder> one thing worth noting about those ER16 collets: you can run undersized tools in them, but don't go oversized.
[05:30:39] <alex4nder> there's a range for a reason
[05:31:39] <ReadError> i dont understand why the CR/ER has a different spindle
[05:32:15] <alex4nder> because the threads/size is different
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[05:43:56] <ReadError> but why the difference?
[05:45:24] <alex4nder> wait
[05:45:28] <alex4nder> CR means computer ready
[05:45:40] <alex4nder> are you sure you're not talking about the old Taig spindle that the lathe still uses?
[05:45:52] <alex4nder> the 3/4"-16 threads
[05:46:13] <ReadError> nah i remember seeing the CR and ER spindles though
[05:46:24] <alex4nder> there is no CR spindle
[05:47:25] <alex4nder> there's the ER non-CR model, which has an ER16 spindle with a non-continuous duty motor
[05:47:33] <alex4nder> and then there's the actual 3/4"-16 taig spindle
[05:47:46] <alex4nder> which the old mills used, and the lathes still use
[05:48:16] <alex4nder> (which is one of the reasons I waited so long to buy a taig)
[05:53:54] <ReadError> ohhh ok
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[07:20:08] <Jymmm> Valen: Just FYI... google MCP73831/2
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[07:29:17] <Jymmm> Valen: It has a "Automatic Recharge" if vBAT goes below factory threshold, so may not be good for solar charging in case a cloud goes by and starts a new charge cycle.
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[09:14:04] <Valen> Jymmm: they all generally do have that
[09:14:16] <Valen> I have used that charger IC quite recently
[09:14:35] <Valen> its not going to be a big issue for you i don't think
[09:15:25] <Jymmm> Valen: I just wouldn't want to excessively kill the cell due to patchy cloud cover.
[09:16:01] <Valen> whats the voltage the auto recharge starts again? i think it varies for different sub models in that line
[09:16:29] <Jymmm> most do , what, 500 cycles or so. pathcy cloud cover over 6 hours could mean 10-30 (restart) cycles I'm guessing.
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[09:16:45] <Valen> well probably not i'm thinking
[09:16:46] <Jymmm> Valen: it's sensative as all hell... 50mV
[09:17:03] <Valen> because the voltage won't actually sag a great deal as a rule
[09:17:49] <Jymmm> You know, I have a cheap data logging DMM. Maybe I just need to toss out my solar blanket and see what it does
[09:18:00] <Valen> its a good place to start
[09:18:11] <Valen> those IC's will be happy with 5V at 500ma
[09:18:18] <Valen> if you can provide that at all times its good
[09:18:55] <Jymmm> I really should get a solar controller, just not sure if the one I'm looking as would be good for charging Li-Ion as it does PWM charging of Gelcells
[09:19:17] <Valen> pwm is just a control scheme
[09:19:28] <Valen> 99% of all modern power electronics is pwm
[09:19:54] <Jymmm> Well, it's intende to help prevent sulfication in LEadAcid gelcells
[09:20:26] <Jymmm> Valen: This is the one I'm considering... http://www.morningstarcorp.com/en/sun-guard
[09:20:28] <Valen> so they presumably boost the voltage output of the PWM stage up somewhat from time to time
[09:21:25] <Valen> their "100% pwm duty cycle" thing is because most of the pwm systems use ringing on the fet to generate voltage to drive the fet
[09:21:33] <Valen> so they cant run at 100% duty cycle
[09:22:40] <Jymmm> PWM Setpoint 14.1 V
[09:25:37] <Jymmm> Valen: Heh, maybe I can find a 10 Farad (not uF), cap to balance out the clouds =) lol
[09:25:58] <Jymmm> Valen: and no bigger than 4 stacked US Quarters or so =)
[09:25:59] <Valen> perhaps not
[09:26:29] <Valen> the problem is when you suck 50% of the charge out of them the voltage is half what you started with
[09:26:29] <Jymmm> Well, maybe not 10F, but I have seen 1F that size
[09:26:45] <Valen> you can get 55F in small packages
[09:26:56] <Jymmm> WOOHOO!!!
[09:27:08] <Jymmm> and less than $4 USD, right? lol
[09:27:52] <Valen> somewhere around that price actually
[09:28:38] <Jymmm> Oh, cool. Maybe that might add some benefit. I have a "shake flashlight" that uses a super cap like that instead of a battery for storage.
[09:30:59] <Jymmm> Valen: did you check out that sony battery?
[09:31:08] <Valen> no?
[09:31:12] <Jymmm> hang on
[09:32:01] <Jymmm> Valen: I got my on sale for $10 USD... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDwQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DCxO-_E8uqN4&ei=-LibT7raH-3YiALO69hx&usg=AFQjCNGSi-wUyvhScHSE1C1jAZRnIRJYUA
[09:32:33] <Jymmm> Valen: First thing I did was crack it open. It uses an 18650 battery
[09:32:46] <Valen> again thats kinda like saying its a D size battery
[09:32:52] <Valen> doesn't describe the chemistry
[09:33:24] <Jymmm> Valen: Well, I've never seen an 18650 in anythign other than Li-Ion tyvm
[09:34:05] <Valen> theres lithium ion, lithium ion polymer, lithium nano-phosphate and life
[09:34:11] <Jymmm> Valen: just check out the video
[09:34:21] <Valen> eh its somebody flogging some crap
[09:34:34] <Valen> they have a lipo cell and a boost converter
[09:34:39] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxO-_E8uqN4
[09:34:42] <Valen> aka minty-boost but "professional
[09:35:20] <Valen> and knowing sony if you plug something non sony into it it'll catch fire or be incompatible
[09:35:54] <Jymmm> LOL,well they show a ipad, blackberry, and a sony phone being used.
[09:36:09] <Jymmm> They are FINALLY changing their attitude it seems
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[09:37:23] <Jymmm> Valen: It's slick enough to keep in the glovebox in a pnch
[09:37:41] <Jymmm> pinch
[09:38:02] <Valen> http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/
[09:38:57] <Jymmm> Valen: http://www.suntekstore.com/goods-14002287-lm2577s_dc-dc_adjustable_step-up_power_supply_module.html
[09:39:41] <Valen> eh something like that
[09:40:00] <Jymmm> I'm still trying to figure out how to MOUNT it before buying it
[09:40:15] <Jymmm> the fours holes are where you solder the leads
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[09:40:57] <Jymmm> Valen: Heh, 18V@2A from a pair of AA's =)
[09:42:17] <Jymmm> Valen: that site has couplers and some other linear rail stuff too in the DIY section.
[09:42:32] <Jymmm> Alright, I'm outta here for a while laters!
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[10:53:55] <DJ9DJ> tag
[10:54:14] <DJ9DJ> hi everyone
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[13:44:24] <JT-Shop> morning
[13:45:20] <archivist> bit of a late morning!
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[14:00:55] * Tom_itx watches the sun rise over the hills in swampeast Mo
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[14:02:24] <archivist> 3 in the afternoon and not seen the sun yet
[14:02:46] * Tom_itx wonders if all the birds awoke to cannon fire
[14:04:19] <JT-Shop> not yet but today is a good day to install the elevator
[14:07:00] <JT-Shop> no sun here either
[14:08:52] <Tom_itx> hauled a load to the dump and mowed, now i'm sitting here hacking up the weeds
[14:10:50] <archivist> been ground clearing here, space for wood delivery eventually
[14:11:25] <archivist> and digging in the shed for a motor, cant find details on it though
[14:13:38] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Got Boom?
[14:13:45] <archivist> identifying bldc types seems a black art
[14:14:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Got KaBoom?
[14:16:14] <Jymmm> archivist: they look kinds black box'ish
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[14:21:32] <Jymmm> I guess this is one of those spam websites... http://dcelectricmotorss.com/brush-dc-motor/
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[14:29:08] <andypugh> archivist: I think you can probably figure them out using logic, but it is quicker just to run through the patterns and see which works.
[14:30:37] <archivist> this one I have here looks like a stepper, but feels like there is no magnetism, but the rotor is magnetised, 5 wire no sensors and 16 slots in the stator
[14:31:20] <archivist> not got a meter on it yet, label states 12v dc
[14:32:33] <andypugh> No sensors is a bit funny.
[14:34:20] <archivist> well the model aircraft outrunner types are sensorless
[14:34:42] <andypugh> But only 3 wires.
[14:35:56] <archivist> I feel this is a strange unipolar stepper
[14:37:03] <archivist> andypugh, have you seen this one http://www.raynerd.co.uk/?p=1562
[14:39:15] <andypugh> That's rather neatly done. He might need an air-stirrer, but I can see it working very well.
[14:42:07] <archivist> does look nice, motor and driver are not that expensive perhaps fleabay motor 110855214840 mounted on shaft and collet holder 150802219480
[14:52:07] <andypugh> Those eBay collet holders are good for all sorts of things like that.
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[15:18:23] <skunkworks__> we did something similar on a bigger scale... http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/spindle/DSC03425.JPG
[15:18:50] <skunkworks__> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/spindle/DSC03427.JPG
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[15:19:23] <skunkworks__> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/spindle/DSC03429.JPG
[15:19:32] <skunkworks__> iirc - it was a wheel balancing motor
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[15:21:23] <andypugh> High speed spindle for the K&T?
[15:21:51] <skunkworks__> higher - yes. It does about 10k just plugged in the wall.. (universal motor)
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[15:25:54] <skunkworks__> bbl
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[15:37:43] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: not yet, but soon
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[15:47:30] <alex4nder> hey
[15:52:12] <JT-Shop> http://www.raynerd.co.uk/?p=1557
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[16:12:30] <andypugh> That's vaguely similar to my faster CNC dividing head (that I made for gear hobbling)
[16:13:18] <andypugh> <turns off spell-checking>
[16:14:04] * archivist wants to see a hobbled gear up close
[16:17:08] <archivist> I need to cnc http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010213.JPG, pic when at work, buried here too , a barber coleman hobbing machine
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[16:20:54] <andypugh> Looks interesting
[16:22:19] <skunkKandT> andypugh: did you use a bushing or ball bearings?
[16:23:11] <andypugh> Tapir rollers
[16:24:24] <archivist> did the tapir mind
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[16:29:03] <andypugh> He was a little Morose.
[16:29:51] <andypugh> (Sorry, in the Motor Club we always talk about "morose tapirs" rather than "Morse tapers"
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[18:05:46] <tom3p> hello, how would i find source for visiteur's offset in kinematics?
[18:05:47] <tom3p> ""I have it for the nozzle height control - customized thc HAL module calculates the offset and then I feed it in kinematics module.""
[18:06:03] <cradek> ask him, I guess
[18:06:29] <tom3p> i see i edited that from 'where would i to how would i, shame on me
[18:06:32] <cradek> we have some thc type stuff in our distribution, but I don't know if it's what he's talking about
[18:07:45] <tom3p> its a different approach from John Thorntons (next line in quote makes that specific), i'll try to catch him online thx
[18:08:06] <cradek> is he here sometimes? I'm not sure
[18:08:18] <cradek> I think he might be list only
[18:08:51] <tom3p> old irc history ""<viesturs> Peter, thanks for the explanatio..."" not often tho
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[18:10:09] <tom3p> btw i got openSCAM running the CDS.ngc, now if i could virtually mike it, i could virtually certify the virtual machine :)
[18:10:36] <tom3p> there a new .deb on openSCAM site
[18:10:46] <andypugh> You only see Visteurs here when he is on a customer site and horribly stuck.
[18:10:52] <cradek> cool!
[18:11:03] <cradek> I ran it but didn't really see it working right
[18:11:10] <cradek> andypugh: oh right, that guy, I forgot :-)
[18:15:21] <tom3p> http://imagebin.org/210144
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[18:16:12] <andypugh> You mean there is a FOSS CAM package that actually works?
[18:16:54] <tom3p> a strange new usage of the word 'work' that i was previously unaware of ( A Dent )
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[18:17:06] <tom3p> works pretty good so far
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[18:17:50] <archivist> wrong to call it cam as it is a visualiser http://openscam.com/
[18:18:09] <tom3p> or is it 'WORK?!?' ( M G Krebs )
[18:18:16] <tom3p> SimulatedCAM
[18:18:40] <archivist> simulated cnc
[18:19:30] <tom3p> yes thats better
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[18:20:50] <tom3p> 5 min ETA till done 'cutting'
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[18:39:46] <tom3p> http://imagebin.org/210149 didnt render , then did, and crazy angle to try to get light better ( hey its new software )
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[18:44:06] <andypugh> Pretty
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[20:33:10] <andypugh> I just realised, my Youtube channel has 55 subscribers. That's a little scary.
[20:38:25] <jdhNC> you r0ck.
[20:40:05] <andypugh> hmm, skunkworks has a lot more views (100,000) and 35 subscribers.
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[20:40:41] <MrZulu> mmm
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[20:45:41] <alex4nder> hey
[20:45:49] <DJ9DJ> gn8
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[20:48:42] <Tecan> nitric acid eats steel ? neat brb
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[20:55:18] <archivist> andypugh, there seems no logic to the number of views one gets
[20:56:47] <archivist> hmm 65 subscribers, I should make more vids
[20:57:01] <andypugh> Sounds like you should, you are a star!
[20:57:28] <archivist> one of the vids has huge numbers
[21:01:38] <andypugh> link?
[21:03:14] <archivist> my channel is davethearchivist
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[21:07:29] <archivist> I wonder about pulling the final gcode test cut of an escape wheel as I get dislikes because it shows the previous test cuts
[21:08:08] <andypugh> Half a million views of the helical gear is a lot.
[21:08:49] <archivist> youtube keeps wanting me to add adverts probably because of the qty
[21:09:05] <pfred1> yeah monetize!
[21:09:05] <andypugh> Yeah, you could be a hundredaire
[21:09:18] <archivist> pence maybe
[21:09:36] <pfred1> google cashed in that is for sure
[21:10:15] <ReadError> pfred1: what did you grab today at the flea market?
[21:10:33] <pfred1> ReadError flea market tomorrow garage sales today
[21:11:06] <pfred1> ReadError it was slim pickins out there today though I did get this http://i.imgur.com/xXo9K.jpg
[21:11:26] <ReadError> lol nice cant beat free
[21:11:34] <pfred1> yeah the price was right
[21:11:38] <ReadError> break it down for the steppers ;)
[21:11:45] <pfred1> if it doesn't work
[21:11:49] <CareBear\> I'd like free storage space
[21:12:10] <pfred1> I nessed up the cartridge on my other one running PNP Blue through it for making PCBs
[21:12:32] <pfred1> so I won't be doing that with this one
[21:13:26] <archivist> I bid a pound on a colour laser today got beat 1,20 !!
[21:13:37] <pfred1> CareBear\ this wasn't free but it was extremely cheap http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8210/72363334.jpg
[21:14:37] <ReadError> i forsee pfred1 on an episode of hoarders in the future
[21:14:40] <Loetmichel> pfred1: looks like some work to do there
[21:14:55] <pfred1> Loetmichel how so?
[21:14:56] <Loetmichel> but could be a nice place to live ;-)
[21:15:07] <pfred1> yeah i have seen folks living rougher
[21:15:12] <archivist> hoarders++
[21:15:17] <Loetmichel> pfred1: roof, walls for example
[21:15:19] <pfred1> luckily I can't see that thing form my house
[21:15:52] <andypugh> Did you see the laser printer I bought from eBay? It looked smaller in the advert. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MgB989_mA9lWpQyLHLqPodMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[21:15:53] <pfred1> it took me over 300 feet of extension cords to get power down there to build it
[21:16:01] <pfred1> through dense woods
[21:16:08] <Loetmichel> i would like to live in a house more sturdy and with a more durable roof, and WHITE walls
[21:16:23] <archivist> hoarding is a fine hobby, always have something to play with...just cannot find it
[21:16:27] <pfred1> andypugh that is a pallet
[21:16:28] <andypugh> What's your roof?
[21:16:39] <Loetmichel> (or a light color, nothing dark, especially in non isolated wood walls)
[21:17:00] <Loetmichel> archivist: get som memory training
[21:17:06] <syyl_> you could use that little printer as a anchor
[21:17:08] <pfred1> this is my house it is kind of plain http://i.imgur.com/leC6i.jpg
[21:17:27] <archivist> Loetmichel, nah, its called a database and a search engine
[21:17:39] <Loetmichel> i am a "messie"... but i KNOW whre my stuff is... "this pile over there, about 20cm from top"
[21:18:04] <pfred1> I can't think in terms of metric
[21:18:08] <Loetmichel> archivist: dont need that, have enough internal "grey" memory
[21:18:12] <Loetmichel> 8"
[21:18:23] <pfred1> 8" I can understand
[21:18:27] <archivist> I moved half a ton up the garden today
[21:18:42] <pfred1> I've been doing a lot of gardening lately
[21:19:09] <pfred1> my garden is the size of a lot of people's whole back yards
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[21:20:29] <pfred1> my solar pond pump is in the blink
[21:20:30] <Loetmichel> archivist: some time in the pas i had do clean up because it was TOO messy at work. my bos came in the workshop, stopped, looked startled... cam slowly and with an unbelieving face to my desk...
[21:20:34] <archivist> my house circa 1960's http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/house/page0073.jpeg
[21:20:35] <pfred1> on the blink even
[21:21:05] <Loetmichel> ... knocks on the table... "There is a desk unterneath that? Never seen that before!"
[21:21:06] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[21:21:18] <archivist> Loetmichel, tidying is fatal, never can find anything afterwards
[21:21:21] <pfred1> archivist is that Norman Bates i spy in the top window?
[21:22:30] <pfred1> we don't have street lights around here
[21:25:07] <Loetmichel> archivist: me in the old company where that happened: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=3610
[21:27:37] <archivist> I see everything gets taped up
[21:27:42] <pfred1> this is part of the street I live on no street lights http://i.imgur.com/VtlOd.jpg
[21:27:52] <Loetmichel> archivist: stage rental company
[21:27:59] <pfred1> I just don't drive here at night
[21:28:37] <Loetmichel> pfred1: coward ;-)
[21:28:48] <archivist> you can make a noise at night I cannot
[21:28:57] <pfred1> Loetmichel if you knew how many deer lived around me
[21:29:11] <Loetmichel> so you get a sunday dinner free
[21:29:12] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[21:29:17] <pfred1> Loetmichel when i say herds shoulder ot shoulder for acres I am not exagerrating
[21:29:31] <pfred1> I've seen it
[21:29:54] <Loetmichel> i've hit a wild hog some time ago with my old car...
[21:30:05] <Loetmichel> i know what that means.
[21:30:10] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/lNYra.jpg
[21:30:15] <Loetmichel> @ 50MPH or so
[21:30:35] <pfred1> on top of it there is nowhere around here to go at night anyways
[21:30:50] <Loetmichel> result: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5453
[21:30:58] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5456&g2_imageViewsIndex=1
[21:31:16] <Loetmichel> and the hog wasnt in better condition
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[21:31:51] <pfred1> I knew a kid that hit a 7 point buck in a 71 Nova and bent the hood over the roof of the car
[21:32:02] <pfred1> it looked like he hit a brick wall
[21:32:08] <Loetmichel> i can imagine
[21:32:20] <pfred1> I saw it and I can't imagine
[21:32:21] <Loetmichel> 1000 pounds of pure muscle and bone
[21:32:34] <Loetmichel> that IS like hitting a wall
[21:32:49] <pfred1> this car was bent in the shape of a J
[21:33:08] <pfred1> kid was alright though tough bugger
[21:33:28] <pfred1> I think well he says he was only doing 65
[21:33:31] <Loetmichel> congrats to him/her
[21:34:23] <Loetmichel> my accident was on a street to the woods from work home
[21:34:26] <Loetmichel> in the dark
[21:34:38] <pfred1> it gets super foggy around here a lot too
[21:34:43] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5480
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[21:35:52] <pfred1> I think for a while the English settled here and they must have felt right at home
[21:35:54] <Loetmichel> the last ting i remember before the chras was "what the f*** does the sheep in the middle of the street?" *BANG*
[21:36:29] <pfred1> they delay school because of fog here
[21:36:33] <Loetmichel> (realized that tas was a hog not a sheep i had only when the police came and shoot it)
[21:37:04] <Loetmichel> pfred1: so what?
[21:37:19] <pfred1> it points out how bad it is
[21:37:26] <Loetmichel> drive slower, only so fast that you can break in the rest-visibility
[21:37:33] <pfred1> this area is really prone to the stuff
[21:37:39] <Loetmichel> brake
[21:37:56] <pfred1> ah it gets so bad you can't see over your own hood
[21:38:21] <pfred1> I mean we really get fog
[21:40:08] <Loetmichel> so buy a pair of IR googles ;-)
[21:40:22] <pfred1> I think that would be a viable solution
[21:41:51] <pfred1> I live between Hollyville and Angola on this map http://g.co/maps/4e7z9
[21:42:24] <pfred1> so I might as well live on a houseboat
[21:42:28] * Loetmichel in the middle of germany
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[21:42:56] <Loetmichel> THAT is an option i was contemplating before i got married
[21:43:08] <pfred1> actually i think i might just be in Hollyville
[21:43:33] <pfred1> although I am in the Angola phone exchange
[21:44:00] <pfred1> which is sweet because that means i have fios
[21:44:30] <pfred1> they had to run over 900 feet of fiber from the pole to my house
[21:44:55] <pfred1> just to go through my front yard
[21:46:28] <pfred1> Loetmichel we're very proud of our watchtowers we still have keeping an eye out for Germans here
[21:47:16] <pfred1> Loetmichel http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/photo144245.htm
[21:47:37] <pfred1> I hear it wasn't a cushy assignment in the war either the flies were terrible!
[21:47:37] <Loetmichel> pfred1: not really useful...
[21:48:00] <Loetmichel> IF the germans would invade the us you wuoldnt see them... until its to late ;-)
[21:48:13] <pfred1> ah we caught the bunch that tried
[21:49:22] <pfred1> but yeah there are committies to save the towers now a days and everything
[21:49:41] <pfred1> personally i htink they're eyesores
[21:50:26] <andypugh> Not as weird as these
[21:50:27] <andypugh> http://subterrain.org.uk/maunsell/part4.html
[21:50:42] <pfred1> andypugh you guys have Sealand
[21:50:50] <pfred1> which is on a WW2 gun platform
[21:51:55] <pfred1> at least no one has ever tried to turn any of our towers into a sovereign nation
[21:53:05] <pfred1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand
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[21:54:14] <pfred1> I wonder how that guy from washington state is doing?
[21:54:42] <pfred1> ah ha they found a body
[21:56:16] <pfred1> I think this guy is going to put the nail into the whole prepper movement
[21:56:52] <andypugh> I haven't the slightest idea what you are on about.
[21:57:01] <pfred1> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iM5TtetRXKQIF_ljSVAe0buRTAag?docId=3f19b0be80a7442ead91d5e49437c97f
[21:57:16] <pfred1> andypugh prepping is an American thing I think
[21:58:23] <andypugh> I think I can guess what it is about. "Preparedness"?
[21:58:45] <pfred1> andypugh those nuts belong in rubber padded cells
[21:58:54] <andypugh> They are the major bad-guys in "The Postman" and the saviours of the world in "Out of the Dark"
[22:00:12] <pfred1> you can't prepare for doomsday
[22:00:15] <andypugh> "Out of the Dark" makes a convincing case why everyone should have at least two Barratt rifles. Though to be honest a rather promising book is ruined by the arrival of vampires.
[22:01:06] <pfred1> this guy triggered hos own personal doomsday and he didn't last 2 days
[22:02:17] <pfred1> I read a book by Dean Ing called Pulling Through that was about the topic
[22:03:01] <pfred1> OMG I'm rich! http://www.amazon.com/Pulling-Through-Dean-Ing/dp/0441690505
[22:03:33] <pfred1> apparently it is a much sought after tome
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[22:45:26] <andypugh> pfred1: I have a copy of this: http://www.amazon.com/Some-Unusual-Engines-L-Setright/product-reviews/0852982089
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[22:47:44] <pfred1> andypugh I cannot agree with this review
[22:48:14] <pfred1> "many neat things have happened since 1971" yeah who walked on the Moon?
[22:48:16] <andypugh> How about http://www.amazon.co.uk/Some-Unusual-Engines-L-Setright/product-reviews/0852982089
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