#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-04-21

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[00:52:11] <ReadError> alex4nder
[00:52:14] <ReadError> i figured out that "
[00:52:20] <ReadError> "cog" thing
[00:52:24] <ReadError> its when i switch directions
[00:52:34] <ReadError> but if i twist in the same, its smooth
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[02:31:12] <alex4nder> ReadError: then the cog thing is backlash
[02:32:09] <ReadError> as long as its consistent and i can account for it, its ok right?
[02:32:52] <alex4nder> yah, and you can play around with bearing preload
[02:33:06] <alex4nder> how many degrees of dead space are you seeing?
[02:34:05] <ReadError> about 1/50th of a circle
[02:34:11] <ReadError> kinda useless that little ring
[02:34:23] <ReadError> since 50 does not go into 360 very well
[02:35:37] <ReadError> i got everything going, motor and Z axis mounted and squared
[02:35:40] <ReadError> didnt take long at all
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[02:38:34] <alex4nder> which ring? you mean the dial?
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[02:38:38] <ReadError> i guess i should rig up a dial indicator
[02:38:47] <ReadError> and actually step by step move it
[02:38:49] <ReadError> and see
[02:38:58] <alex4nder> just read the dial
[02:39:00] <ReadError> i was using my thumbnail which probably isnt very accurate
[02:39:34] <alex4nder> there's a reason that dial is 0-50
[02:39:47] <alex4nder> because that's how many thousandths the table moves
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[02:40:02] <ReadError> ah yea 20TPI
[02:40:04] <ReadError> that makes sense
[02:40:06] <alex4nder> any back and forth on that dial that doesn't move the table, is your backlash
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[02:55:54] <ThadiusB> hello everyone
[02:56:02] <djdelorie> hi
[02:56:25] <ThadiusB> when i home my axis' all set to 0.0 but z axis, is that something to do with offset in linuxcnc?
[02:56:45] <djdelorie> your .ini file says what the coordinates are of the "home" location and the home switches, yes
[02:57:25] <djdelorie> it may also depend on whether your Z is at 0 when it's up (coordinates are negative) or down (coordinates are positive)
[02:58:13] <ThadiusB> also, as of right now i'm still machining "air" and i'm noticing on a file that has depth set equally over course of project, my z axis decides to plunge further after each "letter" i'm cutting, any thoughts?
[02:58:39] <djdelorie> when mine did that, it turned out the double nut was loose and the axis was falling down
[02:58:50] <ReadError> backlash ThadiusB ?
[02:59:39] <ReadError> gotta give it to ThadiusB
[02:59:44] <ReadError> me might have set a record
[02:59:50] <ReadError> got his machine goin in a couple of hours ;)
[02:59:58] <ThadiusB> :)
[03:00:42] <ReadError> here i am, barely able to figure out how to configure this dang program
[03:00:43] <ReadError> lol
[03:01:16] <ThadiusB> I do not believe its hardware, but more so in the configuration and setup in linuxcnc, of course the only basis i have is that each move looks more precise and planned when the z actually moves
[03:01:43] <ReadError> got any vids of it yet?
[03:01:53] <ThadiusB> it could also be the files i'm using as a jump off point, as i have yet to fully master the CAM programs i'm using
[03:01:58] <ReadError> curious to see one in action
[03:02:08] <ReadError> maybe that could help djdelorie figure out whats goin on
[03:02:15] <ReadError> he seems to be a god amoung routing men
[03:02:29] <djdelorie> hey, I only learned all this a few weeks ago
[03:02:29] <ThadiusB> and the one that's giving me fits is an open source letter engraving program
[03:02:56] <djdelorie> have you tried air-milling the "EMC2.4/AXIS" demo?
[03:03:11] <ThadiusB> ya, i noticed it on that too
[03:03:20] <djdelorie> it's not the gcode then ;-)
[03:03:34] <ThadiusB> there in lies my problem then lol
[03:03:43] <jdhnc> did you try fengrave?
[03:03:48] <djdelorie> that leaves hardware problem, or backlash problem
[03:04:06] <ThadiusB> Fengrave is the program i was referring to
[03:04:17] <ThadiusB> known issues with it jdhnc?
[03:04:39] <jdhnc> not that I know of. I tried it for something and it generated ok code
[03:05:11] <ThadiusB> i'm thinking my problem lies within the fact that all axis except z zero out when i home, z sets itself to 1.0
[03:05:28] <djdelorie> put your ini file on pastebin and post a link ?
[03:05:34] <jdhnc> doesn't matter, when you touch off, that becomes zero
[03:05:51] <ThadiusB> sure, just as soon as i find out where the .ini file is located
[03:06:02] <ThadiusB> i just started using ubuntu last week
[03:06:13] <jdhnc> either under linuxcnc/configs or emc2/configs
[03:06:13] <ThadiusB> and linuxcnc for that matter
[03:06:17] <ThadiusB> ty
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[03:10:14] <ThadiusB> would that be under /ect/linuxcnc??
[03:10:26] <djdelorie> on my pc, it's in my home directory
[03:10:38] <ReadError> try
[03:10:39] <djdelorie> ~/emc2/configs/
[03:10:41] <ReadError> ya
[03:10:48] <ReadError> cd ~/emc2/
[03:11:00] <ReadError> ~ will reference your $HOME
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[03:11:50] <ThadiusB> when you say .ini file you mean my stepconfig?
[03:12:21] <djdelorie> should be something like ~/emc2/configs/dj1/dj1.ini
[03:12:33] <djdelorie> it's the *.ini we want, it's generated by stepconfig
[03:12:43] <ThadiusB> ok, looking now
[03:12:46] <ReadError> djdelorie, what kinda jitter do you have?
[03:12:54] <djdelorie> about 30k
[03:13:09] <djdelorie> I still get the jitter error in axis, I ignore it, the machine seems to work OK anyway
[03:13:11] <ReadError> on servo or base?
[03:13:16] <djdelorie> yes
[03:13:27] <ThadiusB> ok, found it
[03:13:32] <ReadError> heh which?
[03:13:35] <ThadiusB> let me go paste and grab a link
[03:13:36] <djdelorie> both
[03:13:38] <ReadError> ohh
[03:13:45] <ReadError> i have a big difference between mine
[03:13:51] <djdelorie> it's an 800 MHz pentium III machine
[03:13:53] <ReadError> servo is like 4x what base is
[03:14:12] <ThadiusB> crap, something else i just noticed, i cant hear any of my computers fans running :(
[03:14:27] <ReadError> my GPU fan burned out today ;(
[03:14:39] <ReadError> had to swap a few PSU's and gfx cards to get it running again
[03:14:40] <ThadiusB> yay, best buy trip, walk in looking for 2 15.00 fans, walk out with that, + stuff for gaming i dont need
[03:14:54] <ReadError> lol
[03:15:01] <ReadError> ThadiusB, diablo3 open beta
[03:15:01] <ReadError> free
[03:15:08] <ReadError> dont waste your money on other stuff
[03:15:24] <ThadiusB> there we go, http://codepad.org/ojTR1RDy
[03:15:37] <ThadiusB> i couldnt get into diablo after the first one
[03:15:45] <ReadError> its pretty cool
[03:15:49] <ReadError> fun hack and slash
[03:15:51] <ThadiusB> i'm more a old school fps player, and an mmo called Rift
[03:16:32] <jdhnc> You must have touched off previously at 1" on the Z?
[03:17:09] <djdelorie> do you really have a separate home sensor in the middle of your Z ?
[03:17:14] <ThadiusB> i did mess around with the "touch-off" because i was completely wrong about what it did
[03:17:34] <jdhnc> home the Z, then hit z/end/enter
[03:17:58] <djdelorie> homing and the info in the ini file tells linuxcnc what the *absolute* location of your Z axis is, and the physical limits of its motion.
[03:18:14] <djdelorie> touching off sets the *relative* location of the Z axis for the subsequent job
[03:18:34] <djdelorie> but linuxcnc keeps track of the absolute position as well, to avoid smashing into an end
[03:19:22] <ThadiusB> homed z still reads at 1.0021 and not 0.0
[03:19:32] <jdhnc> hit z/end/enter
[03:19:44] <ThadiusB> did, right after homing
[03:20:15] <ThadiusB> did it once more to be sure, still at 1.0021
[03:20:29] <djdelorie> did it *look* like it did a home operation?
[03:20:32] <jdhnc> when you hit end, does it say g54?
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[03:21:12] <ThadiusB> p1 g54
[03:21:20] <djdelorie> also, if the machine is "on" you can Machine->Homing->Z
[03:21:47] <jdhnc> doesn't matter if it is homed, if you touch off, it should say 0
[03:21:56] <jdhnc> assuming you enter 0 for the touch off
[03:22:05] <djdelorie> jdhnc: my machine won't let me touch off until after you home
[03:22:13] <ThadiusB> ya, did exactly as you said jdhnc, and still reading 1.0021 on z
[03:22:25] <jdhnc> mine either, but it says that.
[03:22:34] <ThadiusB> wait, let me home other axis again
[03:22:52] <ThadiusB> now i'm at 0.0 on z axis
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[03:23:40] <ThadiusB> let me air cut a piece and see whats kickin with all those z plunges on a piece that has same depth through out
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[03:23:53] <djdelorie> the startup logo is like that
[03:25:05] <ThadiusB> lol, i meant to load some code i had, and just started up the logo, and was like really?
[03:25:23] <ThadiusB> till i read you djdelorie, and look at what i was cutting
[03:26:03] <ThadiusB> anyone else have issues when you choose "open recent" ?
[03:28:30] <ReadError> i wish x11 was more lightweight
[03:28:43] <ReadError> and they had an option that wasnt gnome ;/
[03:28:54] <djdelorie> X11 is, it's all the toolkit stuff that weighs it down
[03:29:25] <ReadError> yea gnome is the real killer
[03:30:38] <ThadiusB> ok, here's what i'm seeing now
[03:31:22] <ThadiusB> i did a standard Fengrave cut, and on linuxcnc i read a steady z depth of -.050 but watching the actualy machine the travel gets closer and closer to the limit
[03:31:39] <djdelorie> upper limit, or lower limit?
[03:31:44] <ThadiusB> lower
[03:31:56] <djdelorie> do you have a dial indicator?
[03:32:03] <ThadiusB> i do not
[03:32:35] <djdelorie> use a ruler then. Set your jog (F3) to 0.1, jog up ten times, measure, jog down ten times, measure, make sure it's moving as much as it's supposed to
[03:32:38] <jdhnc> weight? nodding?
[03:33:10] <ThadiusB> ok djdelorie, ..... jdhnc, just cutting air if that helps?
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[03:36:37] <djdelorie> er, if your system is set to metric, set your jog to something suitable ;-)
[03:36:47] <jdhnc> who would do metric?
[03:37:55] <ThadiusB> ok, jogged, and -/+ on z axis measures good, based on 7 steps at .1in both ways
[03:38:26] <djdelorie> now jog X and Y for a while and see if Z stays where it's supposed to
[03:38:46] <ThadiusB> i'm wondering, if being the n00b master that I am, if its bad code from the CAM programs i've been using, or oversight on actualy tool paths
[03:38:55] <ThadiusB> ok djd
[03:39:04] <djdelorie> that's why you should try the logo - it's a known good gcode
[03:39:10] <jdhnc> write some code by hand to draw a rectangle
[03:40:39] <jdhnc> my 100khz pwmgen from the 7i43 reads 100.0khz on my scope
[03:40:51] <ThadiusB> the linuxcnc logo?
[03:41:04] <ThadiusB> btw, jogging x and y, z stays put
[03:41:07] <ReadError> is a PWM controller viable?
[03:41:09] <djdelorie> when you first start it, the code that's already loaded mills "EMC2.4/AXIS"
[03:41:10] <ReadError> using audio out?
[03:41:30] <jdhnc> huh?
[03:42:04] <ThadiusB> when i start it djd, it read "Linuxcnc" that one?
[03:42:13] <jdhnc> Thad: that one.
[03:42:13] <djdelorie> you must have 2.5 then
[03:42:56] <ThadiusB> whichever one was for download with 10.04
[03:43:06] <ThadiusB> installed from disk i burned on other pc
[03:43:10] <jdhnc> you have to get 2.5 via updates
[03:43:26] <ThadiusB> linuxcnc was in my apps after i finished installing
[03:43:49] <ReadError> ThadiusB: did you by chance install with your ethernet hooked up?
[03:44:35] <djdelorie> I thought the latest iso had 2.5 on it?
[03:44:43] <ThadiusB> i have not done any updating
[03:45:03] <ThadiusB> i did not Read, my install was stand alone
[03:45:25] <ReadError> well i mean
[03:45:28] <ReadError> when you installed
[03:45:36] <ReadError> was the computer connected to the internet?
[03:45:41] <ThadiusB> nope
[03:45:42] <ReadError> i noticed since mine was
[03:45:46] <ReadError> it auto updated
[03:45:46] <ThadiusB> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_10_04_using_precompiled_EMC2_packages
[03:45:48] <ReadError> w/o asking me
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[03:50:12] <ThadiusB> i dont get this, ran the logo and it reads steadily at -0787 but i can physically see my z axis plunging down with each new letter it attempts to cut
[03:50:28] <jdhnc> sounds like a mechanical Z issue
[03:50:51] <ThadiusB> but it steps just fine, when manual jogging it, doesnt miss a beat
[03:51:16] <jdhnc> noise maybe?
[03:51:31] <jdhnc> what kind of spindle?
[03:51:48] <ThadiusB> no spindle attached yet, i'm cutting air till i get more adept
[03:54:43] <djdelorie> not enough power supply to drive all three axes at once?
[03:57:02] <ThadiusB> hmm
[03:59:53] <ThadiusB> it appears its driving just fine when x/y are in use
[04:02:25] <ReadError> can you have x/y stop
[04:02:28] <ReadError> before it plunges
[04:03:20] <ThadiusB> looking at it it moves to next letter, stops, plunges then begins cutting out the letter
[04:03:31] <djdelorie> a test program that alternates between (0,0,0) and (1,1,1) might be useful
[04:05:27] <ThadiusB> how about this? http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/common_Stepper_Diagnostics.html
[04:05:31] <ThadiusB> 1.3 Testing
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[04:22:41] <ThadiusB> well, after 200 cycles over 1" to .5" z axis stopped dead on at .5"
[04:29:58] <ReadError> niiiice
[04:29:59] <ThadiusB> running all axis with a test on z to see if it still holds while other x/y are moving
[04:30:04] <ReadError> video time ;)
[04:30:31] <djdelorie> last time mine did that, it was because the controller thought it had overheated
[04:30:38] <ThadiusB> soon as i take all the vids and pics of my camera of my daughter i'll have room
[04:32:05] <ThadiusB> testing acceleration now with z
[04:36:42] <ThadiusB> i'm at a loss now, did that whole test, and z measures out exactly where it should have ended
[04:37:35] <djdelorie> if you turn the whole machine upside-down, does Z tend towards the bed, or towards the planet?
[04:38:02] <ReadError> ThadiusB: that sounds good though?
[04:38:10] <djdelorie> (assuming you *can* turn the whole machine over ;)
[04:38:25] <ReadError> djdelorie cant do that with his massive setup
[04:38:28] <ReadError> ;p
[04:40:43] <djdelorie> another idea - run one of the failing tests (like the logo) at half speed (50% speed override) and see if it still fails
[04:40:58] <djdelorie> That's probably easier than flipping the machine over ;-)
[04:41:58] <ThadiusB> how would i go about cutting my speed down by 50%?
[04:42:09] <djdelorie> use the feed override slider in the AXIS gui
[04:42:34] <djdelorie> or change the "max speed" for each axis in stepconf
[04:42:51] <djdelorie> at least the Z one
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[04:43:14] <djdelorie> I'm thinking, if the max speed is marginally too high, you'll miss some steps, and more likely to miss in the against-gravity direction
[04:43:37] <Jymmm> anti-gravity???
[04:43:38] <djdelorie> so rapid Z travel will be affected, but not feed Z travel.
[04:44:09] <djdelorie> hmmm... given that thought, changing the feed rate via the slider wouldn't affect the rapid travel parts, which is what you want to change
[04:44:25] <djdelorie> so change the max speed in stepconf's Z to half, see if it still fails
[04:44:38] <ThadiusB> change max accel or max velocity?
[04:44:49] <djdelorie> both
[04:47:02] <djdelorie> although a max velocity of 0.4 is pretty slow...
[04:47:12] <djdelorie> but we'll see! :-)
[04:47:25] <ThadiusB> ok, this time doing the logo, it never stepped up
[04:47:47] <ThadiusB> did a letter, then position for the next, then plunged, finish, move to next then plunge again
[04:48:01] <ThadiusB> with no step up, i guess is what you call it
[04:48:15] <ReadError> what are you testing on?
[04:48:16] <ReadError> air?
[04:48:58] <djdelorie> are your steppers strong enough to lift your Z axis?
[04:49:44] <ThadiusB> ya, just did that test, 200 times from .5 to 1 inch,
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[04:51:41] <djdelorie> weird. I'm out of ideas to try, other than flipping the machine over (or at least the Z axis)
[04:52:41] <ThadiusB> ya, i'm stumped
[04:58:03] <ThadiusB> wow, loaded up this prototype file and it appears to be running it just fine
[04:58:20] <ThadiusB> didnt want to start with my other extensive files because i assumed the logo would be cake
[04:58:36] <ThadiusB> this is confusing to say the least
[04:59:00] <djdelorie> maybe the logo is broken?
[05:01:09] <djdelorie> try copying the logo file to somewhere else, and change all G0 to G1 and run that
[05:04:21] <ThadiusB> ok, gonna let this file keep running see what it does
[05:11:45] <freespace> axis should give you a 3D view of the toolpath
[05:12:02] <freespace> does it show the retraction?
[05:12:18] <djdelorie> on mine, it shows a rapid up but a feed down
[05:12:27] <djdelorie> and the up moves all three axes at once
[05:13:42] <mrsun> ThadiusB, the axle is moving when you manualy feed it up ?
[05:13:50] <mrsun> so there isnt a bad connection to the dir signal
[05:14:16] <ThadiusB> ya its moving fine
[05:14:23] <mrsun> and the right direction ? :)
[05:14:28] <ThadiusB> actually appears to be "air" cutting this part
[05:14:49] <ThadiusB> yes, before i had it inverted but changed that last night
[05:15:29] <mrsun> and the gcode actualy steps it up to a safe height or whatever? :)
[05:15:34] <ThadiusB> for some reason, when i try to do the linuxcnc logo and this other lettering from Fengrave, it will continuously plunge down, never traveling back up
[05:15:56] <djdelorie> have you tried replacing the G0 with G1 ? maybe it has a problem with rapid-up
[05:16:01] <ThadiusB> ya, it actually stepped it up to move to my pocketing from the roughing on the outside
[05:16:02] <mrsun> ThadiusB, does the motor make a sound when its supposed to go up ? :)
[05:16:28] <ThadiusB> did not try replacing G0 with G1 yet
[05:16:51] <ThadiusB> and the motor does not seem to be recieving a signal to step up, nor does it sound bound
[05:17:34] <mrsun> ThadiusB, but does it make sounds on the up ? :)
[05:17:47] <ThadiusB> when it actually goes up, yes :)
[05:17:58] <djdelorie> another thing to try is to increase your jitter
[05:18:04] <djdelorie> er, jitter measurement input :-)
[05:18:21] <ThadiusB> thats whats weird, i thought maybe it was a signal issue, or motor binding, but on this latest file, its humming along w/o a worry
[05:18:32] <mrsun> ThadiusB, set the machine into whatever mode it can run in, but do not press run, go into MDI and type in G0 Z-20 if that works try G1 Z-20 F<insert some feed rate>
[05:18:37] <mrsun> and see if both works? :)
[05:18:47] <mrsun> incase the accel etc is far to high for G0
[05:19:02] <djdelorie> maybe not -20 on Z if you're inches :-)
[05:19:12] <ThadiusB> cut the accel in half on my stepconfig earlier
[05:19:15] <Jymmm> z-2
[05:19:17] <djdelorie> and if you want to test up, likely you'll want a positive Z
[05:19:18] <ThadiusB> but ya i'll give it a whirl
[05:19:20] <mrsun> djdelorie, haha :P
[05:19:45] <mrsun> djdelorie, haha .... sorry ... =)
[05:19:57] <mrsun> a tad of time since i was in the machine :P
[05:20:24] <Jymmm> wasn't that a movie?
[05:20:32] <Jymmm> "In the machine"
[05:20:45] <djdelorie> there was a book "soul of the machine"
[05:20:47] <mrsun> never heard of it =)
[05:21:16] <Jymmm> and "Ghost in the machine"
[05:22:19] <ThadiusB> i ran this earlier to test the z axis and positioning......http://codepad.org/UsjNPHNf
[05:22:27] <ThadiusB> came out fine from that one
[05:23:30] <mrsun> ThadiusB, it tests the rapids, but not the liner moves =)
[05:23:46] <mrsun> maybe ordenary linear moves is the problem? :)
[05:24:23] <djdelorie> alternate between "G0 Z0" and "G1 Z-1" many times in a test file?
[05:24:44] <ThadiusB> got an error from typing in "G0 Z-20"
[05:25:12] <djdelorie> hopefully it told you that would exceed the table limits :-)
[05:25:19] <ThadiusB> "Linear move in MDI would exceed joint 2's negative limit"
[05:25:34] <djdelorie> good! :-)
[05:25:47] <ThadiusB> didnt feel good lol :P
[05:25:50] <ThadiusB> :)
[05:25:56] <djdelorie> good that it knew it shouldn't do that
[05:26:22] <mrsun> ThadiusB, hehe, it should be positive =)
[05:26:29] <mrsun> G0 Z2 or something insted
[05:26:38] <mrsun> less risk for it to go bad :P
[05:26:54] <mrsun> dont want to ruine your machine =)
[05:27:00] <djdelorie> even 0.5 at a time
[05:27:11] <mrsun> inches are stupid
[05:27:34] <mrsun> G0 Z2 would be 2mm for me... but like alot in inches :P
[05:27:36] <djdelorie> it's what's in his ini file
[05:29:00] <ThadiusB> ok, i went G0 Z2
[05:29:05] <ThadiusB> what am I looking for?
[05:29:09] <mrsun> ThadiusB, that it moves
[05:29:50] <djdelorie> g0 is "rapid travel" and g1 is "feed" so G0 Z1 is "travel up quickly" (I hope) and "G1 Z-1" is "feed down" (slowly). The G0 one might be harder for the machine to do
[05:30:33] <djdelorie> so, go to the MDI tab and type G0 Z-1 then G0 Z0 and back and forth. It's like jogging, but at max speed
[05:31:04] <ThadiusB> G0 Z1 jogged it down
[05:31:49] <ThadiusB> "cannot go G1 Z1 with zero feedrate
[05:32:04] <djdelorie> just use G0 then
[05:34:40] <ThadiusB> ok thats working
[05:34:50] <ThadiusB> its jogging fine
[05:35:16] <djdelorie> now something a little more complex: alternate between "G0 X0 Y0 Z0" and "G0 X1 Y1 Z-1"
[05:35:55] <ThadiusB> so GO then XO or that whole string in there?
[05:36:14] <ThadiusB> i mean each individually or all three?
[05:36:27] <djdelorie> first command: G0 X0 Y0 Z0
[05:36:32] <ThadiusB> ok
[05:36:38] <djdelorie> second command: G0 X1 Y1 Z-1
[05:36:47] <djdelorie> that way, all three steppers are moving at max speed at the same time
[05:37:23] <ThadiusB> did it, but it seemed slow
[05:37:37] <djdelorie> it's limited by your MAX_VELOCITY settings in your .init
[05:37:40] <djdelorie> or stepconf
[05:37:43] <ThadiusB> ok
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[05:38:00] <djdelorie> but it should at least move up (diagonally) and down (diagonally) the between the same two points every time
[05:41:07] <ThadiusB> ok, now something weird is happening
[05:42:09] <ThadiusB> i try to jog it back along -X and it wouldnt move. Tried other axis, and none would move on negative. Jogged Y over a lil and then they all jogged again
[05:42:55] <djdelorie> hmmm... invert all your DIRECTION output lines. See if the problem follows the machine, or the software.
[05:43:30] <djdelorie> you might have a marginal parallel port, that can only reliably drive LOW signals
[05:44:06] <ThadiusB> ok, this is upsetting
[05:44:08] <ThadiusB> lol
[05:44:57] <ThadiusB> jog to home out, then my negative jog wont work on any axis, then i move x or y some on the positive and they all work again
[05:44:59] <djdelorie> find out what's wrong, then decide if you're going to be upset or not ;-)
[05:45:21] <djdelorie> post your .hal file? Should be in the same place as your .ini
[05:45:42] <ThadiusB> honestly i shouldnt be upset, 3 weeks ago i knew nothing about ubuntu, CAM, Linuxcnc, so....
[05:46:27] <djdelorie> by the time you get it working, you'll appear to be an expert, just like I do... I was going through the same thing a few weeks ago, and I'm still just guessing at things that might be going wrong for you ;-)
[05:47:29] <ThadiusB> http://codepad.org/7HHTOa97
[05:48:20] <ThadiusB> ya, i shouldnt be getting upset, its only been a total of about 8 hours since i started putting my machine together
[05:48:27] <djdelorie> try this. Invert ONLY X. See if the problem changes direction for X but not Y or Z
[05:48:34] <djdelorie> mine took about two years
[05:50:25] <ThadiusB> ok, reconfigured the stepconfig, gonna smoke then try it out
[05:52:00] <ThadiusB> ok, inverting z axis drove it crazy
[05:52:20] <ThadiusB> it would be stopped physically while linuxcnc showed toolpaths being cut
[05:52:59] <djdelorie> check the voltage on your parallel port outputs, that would be pins 2 to 9
[05:53:08] <djdelorie> (ground is pins 18-25)
[05:53:30] <djdelorie> the ones you're using for DIRECTION are easier to check as they'll stay set in the last direction you moved in
[05:54:46] <ThadiusB> nights getting better........dont have my needle leads
[05:54:49] <ThadiusB> awesome
[05:55:06] <ThadiusB> =/
[05:57:42] <ThadiusB> just checked my latency/jitters.....max was 11k
[05:57:49] <ThadiusB> that bad or ok?
[05:57:59] <djdelorie> mine is 20-30k
[05:58:01] <archivist> ok
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[06:00:02] <ThadiusB> well i cant test voltage
[06:00:05] <ThadiusB> blah
[06:00:29] <djdelorie> no paper clips?
[06:00:46] <ThadiusB> actually no
[06:01:26] <ThadiusB> the thing i keep going back to is watching it cut out one of my more elaborate files, and doing it seemingly as programmed
[06:01:37] <ThadiusB> but going all retarded on the logo
[06:02:10] <djdelorie> that might imply that the electrical isn't "robust" so we're trying to track down what part needs help.
[06:02:22] <djdelorie> If you invert the other two axes, does everything "go wrong" in the other direction"
[06:03:19] <ThadiusB> so invert all axis and see if it mirrors the problem ?
[06:03:36] <djdelorie> right
[06:03:43] <djdelorie> but you already mirrord Z
[06:04:01] <archivist> can you hear a cogging noise when movement fails
[06:04:19] * djdelorie is thinking either weak HIGH on parallel, or EMI
[06:04:55] <archivist> some parallel ports need external pull ups adding to 5v
[06:05:33] <djdelorie> what's the controller connected to the parallel port?
[06:05:34] <ThadiusB> think i could google up the specs on my parallel card and see if it produces the required voltage for signal?
[06:06:17] <djdelorie> unlikely these days
[06:06:40] <ThadiusB> my controller was rtr assembly
[06:06:43] <ThadiusB> from probotix
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[06:07:15] <djdelorie> more likely, you'll get specs for tolerance for *that* than output specs for your parallel port
[06:10:31] <archivist> some of the parallel port issues were discussed on the mailing list the other day the thread was G540 Test Update
[06:11:34] <ThadiusB> the thing that gets me, is when i run the start up logo file, all axis move just fine, only thing is it wont step up. it just keeps traveling down into the material
[06:12:27] <ThadiusB> it doesnt run slow, or bind up, or anything. For all intents and purposes it seems to be running as expected, just no step up from letter to letter
[06:12:31] <djdelorie> example: if all three axes are trying to move in the positive direction, you might be trying to drive all three DIRECTION pins high at the same time, and run out of power in the parallel port chip
[06:12:49] <djdelorie> or, perhaps, you have DIR and STEP swapped on one or more axis
[06:13:04] <ThadiusB> so wouldnt it stall, or perform badly even when they all move and its driving down?
[06:13:23] <djdelorie> dunno. EMI and electrical problems don't always make sense
[06:13:30] <ThadiusB> very true
[06:14:40] <ThadiusB> i'll crap a gold brick if i find out thats how the logo is programmed 0_o
[06:14:56] <archivist> when you say wont step up does it make a cogging noise
[06:15:25] <ThadiusB> no, it just moves on to the next letter, likes its not recieving a command to step up
[06:15:29] <archivist> is this a simple steppers set to accelerate and run too fast for the machine
[06:15:53] <ThadiusB> we already tried it with 50% less accel
[06:16:10] <archivist> do you have a real oscilloscope
[06:16:16] <ThadiusB> man i wish
[06:16:32] <archivist> you need to check pin voltages
[06:17:24] <ThadiusB> i think one thing i will do is make a very basic design, cam it, and then run it to how it does
[06:17:32] <ThadiusB> maybe a set of 3 with various z steps
[06:18:14] <djdelorie> or... with that GXYZ example, keep swapping signs until you see some correlation between signs, pin voltages (high/low), and problems
[06:19:59] <ThadiusB> that too, once i find my needle leads
[06:20:19] <ThadiusB> well, its probably time for some sleep, big day at the zoo with the little one tomorrow :)
[06:20:24] <djdelorie> you know what the pin polarity *should* be at least
[06:20:49] <ThadiusB> greatly appreciate all the help guys, i'm sure i'll be rattling your brains tomorrow night lol
[06:20:59] <ThadiusB> take it easy
[06:21:09] <alex4nder> hey
[06:21:09] <djdelorie> ok
[06:21:24] <ThadiusB> hey
[06:21:42] <ThadiusB> later
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[07:22:21] <DJ9DJ> moin
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[08:01:33] <cylly2> mornin'
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[08:01:53] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[08:02:30] <Loetmichel> grrr, that is unsatifying. anyone has seen a 12" tft display with VGA in?
[08:03:08] <Loetmichel> the panels are there (laptops)... why noone makes a decent small monitor for Linuxcnc?
[08:07:59] <awallin> just use 24" :)
[08:08:18] <archivist> you need a bigger bench for 24"
[08:09:25] <Loetmichel> awallin: no room
[08:09:41] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569 <- thats a 15" and ists to big already
[08:09:42] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[08:37:41] <archivist> rob_h, to answer about mach, yes a few ideas for making tooling
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[08:38:59] <archivist> tooling that fits er series holders was a good idea
[08:44:31] * Loetmichel is sitting in the bathtub relaxing ;-)
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[09:33:23] <mazafaka1> Loetmichel: pardon, youtube or bathtube?
[09:33:59] <Loetmichel> bathtub
[09:34:35] <mazafaka1> it's with water!
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[09:35:02] <Loetmichel> so what?
[09:35:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=173
[09:36:32] <DJ9DJ> :D
[09:44:25] <mazafaka> ha, never thought of anything particularly special. I have only invented to eat fruits in the bathtub
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[09:54:49] <mazafaka> http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759860 some Russian shares photos on Uralling in snow, and others
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[10:37:48] <Loetmichel> *ha* wife has bought/brought eggs... breakfeast with 3 minute brownies... surprisingly tastey for something out of the Microwave... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13119
[10:39:39] <archivist> hmm pass one over kplsthnks
[10:40:21] * Loetmichel throws a plate of brownies in the channel ;-)
[10:40:28] * Loetmichel geht mal in die Küche, stellt die Tasse unter die Saeco. *Knöbbscher drügg* *RUUUIIIIIIIII* *KlackKlack* *KlackKlack* *Miiiieeerrrrk* *Brrrrrrr* *Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr* *Miiiiiiiifubb* ... Karamelsirup rein, Milch hinterher... *nipp* "aahh, guuuuut!"
[10:40:52] <Loetmichel> oh, sorry, that was a german autopost ;-)
[10:40:53] * archivist grmbls only got crumbs
[10:41:34] <Loetmichel> i have still 4 pounds of wheat and sugar and cacao here...
[10:41:56] * Loetmichel makes a whole oven full of brownies for the channel ;-)
[10:42:39] <Valen> I want to get a rasberry pi to run my oven
[10:42:45] <Valen> mice ate the wires in the controllers
[10:42:52] <Valen> so i want to make a new controller
[10:47:01] <TekniQue> does the assberry pi have any I/O you can use for purposes like that?
[10:48:35] <Valen> has 8 I/O without use of expansion
[10:48:43] <Valen> but expansion is pretty easy
[10:49:31] <Jymmm> Valen: how much power is that cpu?
[10:49:52] <Valen> .5w or so i think
[10:50:00] <Valen> 700mhz arm
[10:50:12] <Jymmm> Valen: Sorry, I mean like a p3?
[10:50:25] <Valen> cellphone roughly
[10:50:32] <Valen> probably on par with a P3
[10:50:40] <Valen> has hardware video decoding though
[10:52:19] <Jymmm> Too bad just hdmi, I have a dead 17" laptop I could just rip the display from and repurpose.
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[12:32:59] <mazafaka> Me throws some dates and bags with green tea into Loetmichel who hides in the channel
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[12:51:31] <Loetmichel> hrhr
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[13:09:42] <archivist> certificate has run out 3 years ago http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WATER-COOLE-MOTOR-SPINDLE-1-5KW-MATCHING-INVERTER-e9-/110638281841?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Automation_Control_ET&hash=item19c28e3471
[13:12:02] <fliebel> homepage is white for me.
[13:12:31] <fliebel> back to normal. weird.
[13:12:56] <freespace> glitch in the matrix
[13:13:33] <fliebel> What do you use for generating gcode? Everything I tried so far is a 404 page or a crash.
[13:14:09] <freespace> pcb2gcode
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[13:14:30] <fliebel> I tired practically all the milling software under http://replicat.org/generators only Inksacpe worked for 2D.
[13:14:35] <freespace> and the built in image to gcode
[13:14:54] <fliebel> freespace: That's for generating.. well pcbs, I assume?
[13:14:59] <freespace> yes
[13:15:15] <fliebel> I'm looking for something that does 3D.
[13:15:33] <freespace> the build in image to gcode works
[13:15:45] <Loetmichel> archivist: that looks identical to mine, just that i have the 800W variant ;-)
[13:16:10] <fliebel> freespace: an image is 2d, right? Or is a depth map?
[13:16:16] <freespace> depth map
[13:16:31] <archivist> Loetmichel, funny how the postage is so high as it claims to be in Portsmouth
[13:16:45] <Loetmichel> freespace: i use CorelDraw (8) and a soft called "BoCNC"
[13:16:52] <Loetmichel> its only 2.5D, though
[13:16:57] <Loetmichel> archivist: hrhr
[13:17:08] <freespace> Loetmichel: thanks, but i think you mean fliebel :)
[13:17:17] <Loetmichel> sorry
[13:17:20] <Loetmichel> tabfail
[13:17:20] <fliebel> Loetmichel: What is 2.5D exactly?
[13:17:30] <freespace> i think depthmaps
[13:17:47] <freespace> it isn't true 3d b/c you cant't do voids
[13:17:49] <Loetmichel> fliebel: draw 2d in different colours, then assing colours to tools/milling depths
[13:19:30] <fliebel> Not the easiest thing to do... I'd rather just export a 3D file, but it's a start.
[13:19:55] <freespace> if your design is already in 3D
[13:20:03] <Loetmichel> you can do something like this with it: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12766
[13:20:18] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12760
[13:20:28] <freespace> you should be able to render it into a depthmap easily enough
[13:21:06] <fliebel> freespace: Great, how?
[13:21:20] <freespace> depends on your pckage
[13:21:40] <freespace> but generally, something like top-down ortho rendering
[13:21:54] <freespace> and assign a black/white graident so the bottom of the model is white and the top of black
[13:21:55] <cpresser> fliebel: good 3D-Milling CAM is quite expensive :/ there are some opensource alternatives (mostly drop-cutter), but for complex parts they are just to simple or dont work (this is my personal option, perhaps i didnt look well enough)
[13:22:04] <freespace> once up on a time, i knew how to do this in maya
[13:22:06] <freespace> not nay more
[13:22:21] <cpresser> i use 'desk proto' for medium size 3D jobs
[13:22:29] <fliebel> freespace: I'm not sure what's my package anymore. I spent the last 2 days installing crap on my Mac, and the removing it again.
[13:24:37] <fliebel> cpresser: Ok, maybe milling is just to non-trivial for free software to do it properly or something. Maybe I should try commercial solutions.
[13:25:26] <cpresser> it depends on the geometry :)
[13:25:37] <archivist> commercial for 3d on a 5 axis £17000 iirc
[13:26:03] <fliebel> More like 3 axis DIY.
[13:26:32] <cpresser> some kinds are quite easily done with open-source solutions. but 'free form' is quite hard. right now i am milling the swiss alps in necuron
[13:27:13] <archivist> if the shapes suit, hand code
[13:28:13] <Valen> rhino + rhinocam is ok
[13:28:14] <Valen> not good
[13:28:16] <Valen> but ok
[13:28:19] <fliebel> cpresser: I would be quite happy milling.. a pyramid or disk or something. I just canlt get anything to work.
[13:28:57] <cpresser> try heeks-cad. its drop-cutter function works fine for geometry like this
[13:29:07] <Valen> yeah heeks is worth a go
[13:29:36] <fliebel> Will try.
[13:29:49] <fliebel> cpresser: What is drop-cutter?
[13:30:19] <cpresser> thats a toolpath-strategy.
[13:30:40] <cpresser> -> how the programm will route the milling-bit moves
[13:32:36] <cpresser> another popular strategy is called waterline. you have to choose the optimal strategy based on the geometry
[13:33:22] <fliebel> cpresser: Ah... I heard waterline before. cool
[13:34:17] * fliebel is getting his ubuntu laptop, which is more resistant against badly written OS software.
[13:34:35] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[13:34:44] <Loetmichel> strange
[13:35:09] <Loetmichel> just unplugged the network switch accidentally...
[13:35:18] <Loetmichel> wy i didnt log off?
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[13:38:23] <joe9> alex4nder: do you see the full 5.5 inches on your Y axis? I can only get 5 inches on it.
[13:38:25] <fliebel> Loetmichel: I don't suppose you are connected via a bouncer?
[13:40:13] <freespace> Loetmichel: the connection hasn't timed out yet
[13:40:21] <freespace> i used to be able to do this trick using dialup
[13:40:57] <joe9> alex4nder: there are some websites which say that the travel is just 4.75 inches. http://www.super-tech.com/root/itm.asp?p1=itm-taig-micromill and it seems to be the same model too.
[13:42:02] <fliebel> yay, pycam has an ubuntu package.
[13:43:24] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzSEE5hxxck
[13:43:28] <Valen> mmmmm
[13:43:38] <Valen> doeth
[13:43:57] <Valen> I thaught it was spraying blue sparks, damn nvidia bug
[13:48:47] <cpresser> without liquid cooling... impressive
[13:52:22] <Valen> cooling would break everything
[13:52:25] <Valen> ceramic cutters
[13:52:35] <Valen> they work by making the stuff your trying to cut red hot
[13:52:37] <Valen> its soft then
[13:54:31] <Loetmichel> fliebel: no
[13:55:57] <Loetmichel> freespace: maxybe i was to fast with replugging the switch to let mIRC recognize the connection loss...
[13:56:54] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[13:57:02] <Loetmichel> i thoght a taig would be bigger
[13:57:18] <Loetmichel> then MY mini mill has more travel than a taig?
[13:57:28] <freespace> Loetmichel: most likely :)
[13:57:34] <Loetmichel> (200mm x 110mm y 110mm z)
[13:57:47] <Loetmichel> and its not big either ;-)
[13:58:29] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12569
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[15:18:25] <pfred1> hey everybody
[15:19:06] * pfred1 just got back from trash picking AKA garage saling
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[15:23:28] <Tom_L> any goods?
[15:23:54] <pfred1> let me take some pictures hard to describe it
[15:27:24] <pfred1> this isn't even all of it I pulled out the ball points and the hi-lighter pens http://i.imgur.com/WCRO5.jpg
[15:27:31] <pfred1> I got that whole tub for $3
[15:28:01] <pfred1> there was even an old gameboy game in there
[15:28:20] <pfred1> 40 hi-lighter pens
[15:29:18] <pfred1> I got this bucket of wrenches for $2 http://i.imgur.com/EMHrC.jpg
[15:29:44] <pfred1> the stuff on the lower right is USA
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[15:30:32] <pfred1> this I'm really proud of http://i.imgur.com/ieMSq.jpg
[15:30:52] <pfred1> when I first plugged it in it didn't work so I thought the guy beat me but then i hit the reset button on the side of it
[15:31:00] <pfred1> so he got beat!
[15:32:05] <pfred1> I still have to take it all apart and clean it and paint it up but at least now i know it does in fact work
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[16:01:39] <ThadiusB> hello all
[16:02:42] <pfred1> hi
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[16:09:22] <fliebel> What is the "correct" way for my Z axis to move? is Z10 down or up?
[16:10:29] <Tom_itx> g1 z -1 is down
[16:10:54] <fliebel> ok, let me verify that, before I blame my tools :P Thanks
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[16:17:26] <djdelorie> fliebel: typically, "max" Z is 0 at the top, and "min" Z is some negative value at the bottom
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[16:23:23] <mazafaka> hah, have just fixed action cam to the fullface motocross helmet. It's not really hidden but it is not fixed so vaguely as e.g. GoPro cams.
[16:23:54] <mazafaka> I will fix it to the basebal cap when I ride my mountain bike
[16:35:03] <ReadError> you dont wear a helmet?
[16:36:55] <mazafaka> on usual rides on mountain bike - no
[16:40:55] <pfred1> I hit a car once riding a bicycle
[16:41:22] <ReadError> was it parked?
[16:41:32] <pfred1> I was wearing toe clips and I somersaulted over the hood
[16:41:41] <pfred1> nah he made a left and I hit his front fender
[16:42:01] <pfred1> when I came down I bent my rear chainstays
[16:42:10] <pfred1> also cracked my head on the curb pretty good
[16:42:11] <mazafaka> what did he said?
[16:42:18] <pfred1> well I didn't crack it but i hit pretty hard
[16:42:26] <pfred1> oh he thought he'd killed me
[16:42:36] <pfred1> kid goes flying over the hood of your car
[16:42:38] <mazafaka> Dis you had to pay to him?
[16:42:44] <pfred1> me?
[16:42:45] <mazafaka> *did
[16:42:49] <pfred1> he turned I was going straight
[16:42:56] <mazafaka> yes, you. Oh
[16:42:56] <pfred1> he was totally in the wrong
[16:42:59] <mazafaka> ok then
[16:43:09] <pfred1> I could have owned him like a cheap whore
[16:43:23] <pfred1> he knew it too
[16:44:05] <mazafaka> I also once hit a standing car a little, with my leg. It has simply stopped me, I looked onto the gears of my bibycle.
[16:44:41] <pfred1> I wsa into biking when I was younger
[16:44:48] <pfred1> until that accident
[16:45:24] <mazafaka> With this camera for something like 30 USD I probably can record my work in the garage using its fixture with magnet base. Although the angle of the camera isn't wide
[16:46:44] <mazafaka> At current mometn, there are so many cars on the road here in Russia, that I have stopped commiting any rides involving usual roads. Right side of the road is dangerous as hell.
[16:47:24] <mazafaka> One car follows another car, and if you fall on the road, they will kill you.
[16:49:09] <pfred1> I almost got run over when I fell on a busy highway once hit a nasty crack in the road
[16:50:40] <mazafaka> yeah. I would stop anyone thinking it's a good idea, biking using the roads at present time, here. Same would say to kids and offer skateboarding in parks and regular rides somewhere in safe areas. (Because kids will not listen or will listen to their friends.)
[16:51:11] <mazafaka> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilyagalkin/6953244014/in/photostream
[17:10:18] <Loetmichel> soooo... i think this CNC has now enough I/O to the world... now the three IEC320 (1C13 two C14) on the other side and the Computer part is done... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13122
[17:10:45] <pfred1> I have a lifetime supply of pens
[17:11:21] <ReadError> you go to the flea market or something pfred1?
[17:11:36] <pfred1> ReadError flea market then a few yard sales
[17:11:46] <pfred1> I bought a plastic bin full of pens for $3
[17:12:22] <Jymmm> pfred1: how many actually work though?
[17:12:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I don't see the nero-interface?
[17:12:42] <pfred1> this is about half of htem I took most of the ball points and all of the hi-lighters out http://i.imgur.com/WCRO5.jpg
[17:12:59] <pfred1> Jymmm out of 40 hi-lighters 4 were bad
[17:13:09] <pfred1> and they weren't that bad
[17:13:18] <Jymmm> pfred1: Not bad, and you got GLITTER GLUE TOO! woohoo
[17:13:22] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: you mean: "neuro"?
[17:13:34] <pfred1> yup and bubbles too
[17:13:43] <Jymmm> pfred1: LOL, right on!!!
[17:13:49] <pfred1> half a sleeve of blank CD-Rs
[17:14:01] <pfred1> there was even an ancient gameboy in there
[17:14:02] <Jymmm> maxell?
[17:14:12] <Jymmm> pfred1: , nah, seriously?
[17:14:17] <pfred1> verbatim
[17:14:27] <pfred1> yes has tetris and mario bros
[17:14:31] <Jymmm> pfred1: I like verbatium
[17:14:38] <Jymmm> pfred1: OH man....
[17:14:44] <pfred1> crapload of postit notes
[17:14:58] <pfred1> heck a little pair of fiscars scissors
[17:15:03] <pfred1> fiskars even
[17:15:05] <Jymmm> pfred1: I'd lamost want to buy the gameboy off ya
[17:15:08] <Jymmm> almost
[17:15:15] <pfred1> heh it is B7W from 1989
[17:15:20] <pfred1> b&W
[17:15:21] <Jymmm> yeah
[17:15:26] <Jymmm> no backlight
[17:15:31] <pfred1> I put batteris in it it works
[17:15:46] <pfred1> I also died with only 100 points
[17:15:57] <Jymmm> the fiskars arelifetime warranty
[17:15:57] <pfred1> I managed to jump one thing that could kill me
[17:16:15] <Jymmm> you have to kill a kill into them
[17:16:18] <Jymmm> kick
[17:16:22] <pfred1> yeah I'd do deal like the pen deal all day long
[17:16:38] <Jymmm> few sharpies too
[17:16:41] <pfred1> then I got a bucket of wrenches for $2
[17:16:50] <pfred1> that is what i bought the pens for the sharpie markers
[17:16:52] <Jymmm> yard sale?
[17:16:54] <pfred1> I use those to mark steel
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[17:17:22] <pfred1> easier then dykem blue
[17:17:33] <Jymmm> cheaper too
[17:17:40] <pfred1> which I have but I hate waiting for it to dry
[17:18:09] <pfred1> so I usually just use a sharpie
[17:18:27] <pfred1> but using them on steel beats the crap out of them
[17:18:44] <pfred1> grease oil rust
[17:18:57] <Jymmm> pfred1: have you tried wax pens?
[17:19:05] <pfred1> grease pencils?
[17:19:08] <Jymmm> yeah
[17:19:20] <pfred1> no i need to scribe lines i use the ink to highlight it
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[17:19:27] <Jymmm> ah
[17:19:33] <pfred1> you ink it then scribe marks
[17:19:56] <pfred1> I have keel sticks too
[17:20:05] <Jymmm> never heard of them
[17:20:10] <pfred1> they are like a chalk for marking steel for buring it
[17:20:19] <pfred1> burning it even
[17:20:35] <pfred1> stuff doesn't burn off when you torch the steel
[17:20:47] <Jymmm> really?
[17:21:08] <Loetmichel> if its chalk: it wouldnt. but it will change colour
[17:21:16] <pfred1> yeah it is chalk bound in wax or something
[17:21:20] <Jymmm> ah
[17:21:24] <pfred1> I don't know seems a little slippery to me
[17:21:31] <pfred1> might be some kind of a rock
[17:21:52] <pfred1> I just heard of them as keels
[17:22:03] <Loetmichel> there are "wax crayons" especially for marking steel which are basically a chalk infused with bees wax
[17:22:32] <pfred1> of course google is completely braindead of all things mechanical
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[17:24:04] <Tom_itx> soap stone
[17:24:04] <pfred1> ah but google can find keel holders
[17:24:21] <pfred1> is that what it is?
[17:24:25] <pfred1> it is kind of slippery
[17:25:12] <pfred1> hrmm I've always heard the stuff just called keels some things like that are regional
[17:25:33] <pfred1> though it is odd i can find keel holders easily
[17:26:39] <pfred1> I can remember when I was yound and all the old timers kept on talking about the power pits so I was looking for sunken areas with like electrical equipment in them
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[17:26:47] <pfred1> turns out they were saying parapit
[17:27:36] <ssi> soapstone
[17:27:47] <pfred1> keel!
[17:27:48] <Tom_itx> that's what i said
[17:28:14] <pfred1> OK then how come you put soapstone into keel holders?
[17:28:18] <ssi> yes, yes apparently you did
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[17:28:53] <ReadError> awwww yeaaa
[17:28:56] <ReadError> motors turn ;)
[17:29:04] <pfred1> well that is what i use to mark steel if I don't use a sharpie
[17:29:11] <ssi> yea
[17:29:16] <ReadError> anyone else here have a g540 ?
[17:29:23] <ssi> ReadError: I've got two!
[17:29:25] <ssi> one's not even in use
[17:29:29] <pfred1> ReadError I just got a GT 520
[17:29:39] <ReadError> i get fault with charge pump on
[17:29:44] <ReadError> i turn it off, it boots green
[17:29:45] <fliebel> djdelorie: Weird, if max Z is 0. That's what it says in the comments at the top, but then it moves to Z25 O_o
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[17:39:25] <archivist> ReadError, read the mailing list specially thread "G540 Test Update"
[17:41:19] <archivist> ReadError, the charge pump input is a little strange so can be hard to drive with some parallel ports
[17:43:12] <djdelorie> fliebel: min/max are absolute limits of the machine, but in most cases, the coordinates you see in gcode are *part* relative, not *machine* relative
[17:44:45] <fliebel> djdelorie: So it all depends on the origin/starting position of the file/machine. Kind of confusing.
[17:45:16] <Loetmichel> *shit* not enough room for the second LPT port... now i have to solder the ribbon cable in directly... :-( -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13125
[17:46:35] <Tom_itx> would a 1/2" plate be enough heatsink for the gecko 203v's running midrange current?
[17:48:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: can you git it some fins http://www.pmdx.com/Heatsink-01
[17:48:38] <Jymmm> give it
[17:48:51] <archivist> Tom_itx, depends on airflow
[17:50:28] <Tom_itx> Jymmm that's a $100 heatsink
[17:50:47] <Tom_itx> that's just stupid
[17:51:22] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I didn't suggest you BUY it, just if you can give your 1/2" plate some fins sorta LIE it
[17:51:30] <Jymmm> LIKE
[17:51:36] <Tom_itx> i figured as much too
[17:51:51] <Tom_itx> i may try out my slitting saw on it
[17:53:04] <Tom_itx> or drill holes thru it and watercool it :)
[17:53:21] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Large-Rectangle-Heatsink-/251035594780?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a72e3301c
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[17:53:53] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=large+heat+sink
[17:54:02] <pfred1> I've cut 1/2" plate aluminum on a table saw
[17:54:16] <pfred1> just hang onto it
[17:55:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-ALUMINUM-HEAT-SINK-12-x-6-x-1-5-8-12-FINS-/200748403564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebd898b6c
[17:56:08] <Tom_itx> mmm gecko seems to be offline here
[17:57:31] <Tom_itx> it there a better recomended driver than the 203v?
[17:57:37] <Tom_itx> for steppers
[17:58:00] <Jymmm> Gecko or Parker
[17:58:02] <Tom_itx> beside the 4 in 1 one
[17:58:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: heh... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSIBILb2Cc
[17:59:07] <djdelorie> fliebel: safer to have Z's 0 be up, so tool changes don't smash the tool into the bed. Otherwise, most of your machining operations are relative to wherever the part is
[17:59:26] <Tom_itx> gawd you think he has enough z clear there?
[18:00:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Just curious, why nt the G540?
[18:00:29] <Jymmm> *not
[18:00:50] <Tom_itx> umm
[18:00:52] <Tom_itx> i forget
[18:01:02] <Jymmm> you using paraport?
[18:01:06] <pfred1> it is weak compared to the separate drives
[18:01:10] <Tom_itx> with mesa cards yes
[18:01:24] <Jymmm> pfred1: how so?
[18:01:30] <pfred1> amps
[18:01:35] <Jymmm> ah
[18:01:40] <pfred1> 540 is 3.5 amps isn't it?
[18:01:46] <Jymmm> I believe so
[18:01:49] <Tom_itx> 203 is 7 iirc
[18:01:55] <pfred1> stand alone geckos are 7 or 8
[18:01:55] <Jymmm> gotcha
[18:02:12] <Tom_itx> so even if i don't use 7 it would be more rugged
[18:02:16] <pfred1> they make some cheesewhiz 3.5 stand alone now
[18:02:26] <Jymmm> If Tom_itx is using a mesa card, then there's no benefit in the 540's breakout
[18:02:46] <Tom_itx> i wasn't planning to get a 540
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[18:02:53] <pfred1> yeah the stand alones are a lot more powerful
[18:03:08] <Jymmm> heh cheezwiz
[18:03:22] <Jymmm> cheezwiz cnc!
[18:03:30] <pfred1> well 3.5 compared to 7
[18:03:50] <pfred1> in this case double is a lot
[18:04:06] <Jymmm> The nice thing about the 540 is it's built in BOB, chargepump, relay control, opto, etc.
[18:04:14] <Jymmm> no wiring etc
[18:04:21] <pfred1> true it is all in one and it is all most need
[18:04:36] <Jymmm> and in a tiny pkg
[18:04:44] <pfred1> yup neat install
[18:04:51] <Tom_itx> but i might need 3.6A
[18:04:56] <Tom_itx> instead of 3.5
[18:05:06] <pfred1> you never going to miss a tenth of an amp
[18:05:17] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: If you are going to use a mesa card, I wouldn't even think of using a G540.
[18:05:22] <Tom_itx> so at what point do you add them and you would miss one?
[18:05:33] <ReadError> ;o
[18:05:38] <ReadError> mock up is working great
[18:05:51] <pfred1> Tom_itx when it is double
[18:05:53] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i never did
[18:05:59] <Tom_itx> ok i gotta run
[18:06:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is this going on a BP or somethign with big ass steppers?
[18:06:15] <Tom_itx> no
[18:06:19] <Tom_itx> sherline :)
[18:06:28] <pfred1> 540 run a sherline
[18:06:48] <pfred1> TB6560 run a sherline
[18:07:07] <pfred1> $22.95 done
[18:08:39] <ReadError> i think it supports higher than 3.5
[18:08:47] <pfred1> amps?
[18:08:50] <ReadError> since, in the manual they say you can run above 3.5 w/o a resistor
[18:09:02] <pfred1> yeah because that is all it'll ever put out
[18:09:09] <ReadError> ahh ok
[18:09:23] <ReadError> well im just glad everything works the 1st time ;)
[18:09:26] <ReadError> thats always lovely
[18:09:45] <pfred1> you never have to worry about it putting out more tha n3.5 because it can't
[18:10:09] <Jymmm> I LOVE the BRB, and the "Extreme" controller... Oh skunkworks... You need to put this guy to shame!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqYdawHScI&feature=related
[18:10:11] <ReadError> what if a motor tries to pull more?
[18:10:15] <ReadError> its current limiting?
[18:10:29] <pfred1> doesn't matter all a stepper driver is is a current limiter
[18:10:45] <pfred1> pull all you want
[18:10:55] <pfred1> it ain't gonna give it to you
[18:11:39] <ReadError> ahh
[18:11:46] <ReadError> so no risk burning anything up, which is good ;)
[18:12:15] <pfred1> well running the drive full is strain
[18:12:55] <pfred1> but it is designed to do it so shouldn't be a problem probably has 50 amp mosfets in it
[18:15:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Here ya go, he's runing 203v and 540oz steppers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqYdawHScI&feature=related
[18:15:55] <pfred1> I've seen this goof
[18:15:57] <Jymmm> That's the BEST estop I've ever seen!
[18:16:10] <pfred1> I hope that isn't an estop
[18:16:19] <Jymmm> pfred1: It is =)
[18:16:22] <pfred1> oh OK switch on the side
[18:16:33] <Jymmm> estop on the side
[18:16:42] <Jymmm> pwr on front
[18:16:44] <pfred1> I saw the on off twist switch
[18:17:13] <pfred1> ah how does his fan draw air?
[18:17:17] <Jymmm> pfred1: I think he was too lazy to drill a hoel in the fornt for the BRB
[18:17:31] <Jymmm> pfred1: The two 1/2" punch out holes of course
[18:17:47] <Jymmm> ok 3/4" maybe
[18:17:57] <pfred1> this guy has aspergers doesn't he?
[18:18:20] <Jymmm> pfred1: I think more like WTFergers
[18:19:05] <pfred1> did he just call mach mack?
[18:19:57] <Jymmm> I still say skunkworks needs to give a video reply to his "EXTREME" controller
[18:21:20] <Jymmm> Would GPIO trump paraport dramatically?
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[18:31:43] <pfred1> it is extreme in the realm of mach controllers
[18:32:03] <Jymmm> eh, ok
[18:32:20] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: is that a PCI riser card I see?
[18:32:26] <pfred1> only hobbiests run mach
[18:32:41] <Jymmm> pfred1: and TurboCNC?
[18:33:00] <pfred1> turbo baby
[18:33:03] <alex4nder> what's up
[18:33:15] <Jymmm> pfred1: I like TCNC, but I like DOS too.
[18:33:22] * pfred1 would rather be blown than injected
[18:33:42] * Jymmm steps away from pfred1
[18:33:51] <alex4nder> haha
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[18:37:37] <pfred1> oh yeah that'd work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_del_mar/4588435110/
[18:39:06] <Jymmm> pfred1: Where do you plugin the recharging station?
[18:39:25] <A0Sheds> anyone have a cnc lathe for sale?
[18:39:29] <pfred1> I donno I'm still trying to figure out why they put the belt on backwards
[18:40:02] <Jymmm> pfred1: how is it backwards?
[18:40:14] <pfred1> you should be able to read it from the front
[18:40:22] <Jymmm> it is
[18:40:38] <pfred1> it is a Gates
[18:40:46] <pfred1> the G should be on the top
[18:41:24] <Jymmm> Ah, so it is. I was reading the "BOS"
[18:41:28] <pfred1> :)
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[18:42:10] <pfred1> probably doesn't matter but if I was taking a pic I'd make sure it was you know the visual right way around
[18:43:10] <pfred1> that and it really doesn't have a mr. Gasket sitting on top of it so I'm not completely in love
[18:43:16] <Jymmm> pfred1: They probably had other issues when putting on the belt
[18:43:34] <pfred1> anyone that builds that motor has deep seated issues
[18:43:45] <pfred1> thing probably makes 2,000 HP
[18:44:05] <Jymmm> I didn't read the specs on it
[18:44:08] <pfred1> that is a blown 426 hemi
[18:44:15] <pfred1> you don't need any specs
[18:44:29] <Jymmm> I doubt 2K, maybe 800
[18:44:43] <pfred1> bwahaha the motor is 600 HP stock
[18:44:58] <Jymmm> Nuh uh
[18:45:08] <Jymmm> well 71 might
[18:45:28] <pfred1> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080228030510AAyAXdw
[18:45:52] <Jymmm> SOB
[18:45:54] <pfred1> Ok only 500 stock
[18:45:59] <ReadError> alex4nder: you tore up any belts yet?
[18:46:01] <Jymmm> yeah, same diff
[18:46:18] <Jymmm> pfred1: pre electronic ignition bs =)
[18:46:30] <pfred1> E ignition is no BS
[18:46:33] <alex4nder> ReadError: not yet
[18:46:35] <pfred1> way better than points
[18:47:03] <Jymmm> pfred1: sure, but 71 didn't have the smog regs iirc other than a PCV valve I thought
[18:47:07] <alex4nder> hah points
[18:47:10] <pfred1> I dropped electronic ignition into my buddy's 327 and we took it out for a spin he looked ove at me and screamed, 'Twice the powah!"
[18:47:26] <pfred1> he had to scream he was running open headers
[18:48:22] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: ping
[18:48:44] <pfred1> Jymmm the PCV on my 66 is a pipe that dumps under the oil pan
[18:48:58] <Jymmm> pfred1: heh
[18:49:03] <pfred1> it is funny
[18:49:27] <pfred1> keeps the dust down on the roads
[18:49:38] <Jymmm> hahahahahahahaha
[18:49:53] <pfred1> I remember when they used to spray roads with oil
[18:50:05] <pfred1> the good old days ...
[18:50:06] <Jymmm> I have a dead 17" laptop and I'd like to repurpose the LCD. 1) Do most/all use LVDS or some propritary cabling. 2) Are they pretty much universal or require some voodoo to repurpose HW/SW wise?
[18:50:26] <alex4nder> there's a lot of LVDS cross-over
[18:50:31] <alex4nder> but you better be lucky
[18:50:34] <pfred1> I was looking for another flat screen today
[18:50:49] <Jymmm> alex4nder: cross-over?
[18:50:51] <pfred1> I been picking htem up at sales for $5 and $10
[18:51:05] <Jymmm> pfred1: what size?
[18:51:20] <alex4nder> Jymmm: compatibility between models and vendors
[18:51:26] <pfred1> one is an acer AL1916
[18:51:46] <Jymmm> alex4nder: and queston #2 ?
[18:52:04] <pfred1> another is a dell I can't see the number
[18:52:13] <pfred1> let me see i think i have it in a file here
[18:52:18] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that answer applies to both questions
[18:52:27] <alex4nder> you see alot of compatilbityy
[18:52:31] <alex4nder> especially on the low-end
[18:52:48] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Right, but what would a mobo see at that point?
[18:53:02] <Jymmm> alex4nder: the LVDS is built into a mobo in this case
[18:53:11] <Jymmm> not laptop
[18:53:19] <alex4nder> what?
[18:53:46] <alex4nder> I mean, LVDS is just a way to move bits
[18:53:47] <pfred1> (II) RADEON(0): Monitor name: DELL SE198WFP
[18:54:01] <Jymmm> alex4nder: I found a mobo that has LVDS on it. What does it see as the display if I conect an LCD panel to it?
[18:54:13] <Jymmm> alex4nder: does it need drivers?
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[18:54:30] <alex4nder> Jymmm: the LCD doesn't, but the video controller has to be configured properly
[18:54:39] <pfred1> all monitors need is EDID right?
[18:54:52] <alex4nder> if the EDID is telling the truth, it's a start
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[18:55:23] <Jymmm> alex4nder: There is also a brightness baklight header on the mobo, is that usually part of the video driver?
[18:55:24] <pfred1> in Linux you can make it work no matter what with modelines
[18:55:43] <alex4nder> Jymmm: it depends
[18:56:03] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[18:56:11] <alex4nder> the board I'm working on right now has it external to the video chipset
[18:56:45] <Jymmm> that mobo also has GPIO too
[18:56:58] <Jymmm> and paraport header
[18:59:53] <pfred1> why not just get a new motehrvoard?
[19:00:07] <pfred1> motherboard
[19:00:09] <Jymmm> pfred1: I was thining of buying that mobo
[19:00:26] * pfred1 is fading fast got up like 4 AM
[19:00:40] <Jymmm> same here
[19:00:50] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that looks like some standard pineview LVDS .. there's Linux support.. look at the drivers, see if there's a backlight
[19:00:54] <pfred1> you're on the waste coast though right?
[19:01:08] <alex4nder> s/waste/best/
[19:01:13] <Jymmm> pfred1: yes, it's noon now
[19:01:23] <pfred1> well you 4 AM comes 4 hours after mine does
[19:01:51] * pfred1 could have used an extra 4 hours sleep ...
[19:02:05] <Jymmm> G'Night =)
[19:02:14] <pfred1> pretty soon I'm beat
[19:02:25] <alex4nder> late
[19:02:48] <alex4nder> I'm just eating breakfast.
[19:02:59] <alex4nder> at noon
[19:03:35] <Jymmm> alex4nder: so either way, there's no reason it shouldn't work?
[19:04:04] <Jymmm> Not looking for performance of anything,
[19:04:24] <alex4nder> should be ok
[19:04:34] <alex4nder> but like I said, it depends on a lot of factors
[19:04:39] <pfred1> alex4nder if you're eating at noon it is lunch
[19:04:47] <alex4nder> pfred1: I disagree
[19:04:51] <alex4nder> I'm breaking the fast.
[19:04:52] <Jymmm> cool, as long as it doens't default to 640x480or some nonsense
[19:04:52] <pfred1> lunch!
[19:05:01] <alex4nder> haha
[19:05:06] <alex4nder> pfred1: and it's dim sum
[19:05:10] <alex4nder> over here on the waste coast
[19:05:37] <pfred1> buncha pot heads we should give that state back to mexico
[19:05:55] <alex4nder> if california left the US, it'd have the GDP of some third worlds
[19:06:07] <alex4nder> it's why the flyover states are so angry
[19:06:08] <pfred1> I thought cali was in debt
[19:06:22] <alex4nder> the government is
[19:06:33] <alex4nder> when have you ever seen a useful politician?
[19:06:39] <pfred1> well they have to start tapping that GDP then
[19:06:55] <alex4nder> too many republicans own businesses here
[19:07:02] <pfred1> I also thought companies were leaving cali in droves
[19:07:13] <alex4nder> not from what I've seen
[19:07:18] <pfred1> I hear texas is a better business climate
[19:07:19] <Jymmm> alex4nder: What do you thik of that mobo overall?
[19:07:24] <alex4nder> Jymmm: looks pretty cool
[19:07:28] <alex4nder> pfred1: but then you have to be in texas
[19:07:39] <Jymmm> alex4nder: did you see the daughtercards?!
[19:08:12] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/Mini_PCIE.html
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[19:08:47] <alex4nder> Jymmm: yah; that's just mini-PCIe though. ;)
[19:08:48] <Jymmm> alex4nder: the serial ports can be set to RS-232, 422, 488(?)
[19:08:59] <Jymmm> onboard, not the addin ones
[19:09:08] <alex4nder> nice
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[19:09:21] <Jymmm> has 8 GPIO too and c source code
[19:09:27] <Jymmm> exampel file
[19:09:38] <Jymmm> I'll pastbin it
[19:10:11] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://codepad.org/1jVKvhbL
[19:10:37] <Jymmm> err maybe 6 GPIO
[19:10:38] <pfred1> #include <dos.h>
[19:10:41] <pfred1> ?!?
[19:10:48] <Jymmm> yeah
[19:10:53] <Thetawaves> how much do the jetway shit cost?
[19:10:59] <Jymmm> $180
[19:11:07] <alex4nder> pfred1: haha outp, son!
[19:11:15] <alex4nder> we're coding like it's 1985
[19:11:24] <pfred1> goto
[19:11:49] <Jymmm> it's just sampel code fro the chipset mfr I believe
[19:12:30] <pfred1> this is C++?
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[19:12:39] <mrsun> C
[19:12:42] <mrsun> i guess? :P
[19:12:49] <pfred1> how come C++ comment style?
[19:13:05] <alex4nder> why not
[19:13:06] <pfred1> can C deal with // ?
[19:13:13] <alex4nder> any modern C can.. it's in the standard
[19:13:24] <pfred1> OK didn't know C could do both
[19:13:40] <pfred1> I thought it could only handle /* */
[19:14:04] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NF99.html
[19:14:07] <pfred1> if C can handle // then what makes C++ ++?
[19:14:18] <Jymmm> LOVE that it has intel nics
[19:14:19] <alex4nder> classes, the STL, etc.
[19:14:49] <alex4nder> templates
[19:15:28] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that's a pretty nice combination of ports
[19:15:49] <pfred1> alex4nder I bet that is what you say to all the mobos
[19:16:10] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Yeah, I thought so. intel nics, 6 sata, lvds
[19:16:31] <Jymmm> alex4nder: too bad it wasn't i5 instead of atom
[19:16:33] <alex4nder> Jymmm: get one, and I'll copy you
[19:16:38] <alex4nder> I need to upgrade my controller
[19:16:45] <pfred1> what is wrong with atom?
[19:16:47] <Jymmm> alex4nder: =)
[19:17:06] <Jymmm> pfred1: No hypervisor support
[19:17:12] <pfred1> atoms are only 32 bit aren't they?
[19:17:19] <Thetawaves> hypervisor cnc machine?
[19:17:21] <Thetawaves> wtf?
[19:17:31] <pfred1> what is a hypervisor?
[19:17:40] <pfred1> like a boss that should switch to the decaff?
[19:17:42] <Thetawaves> you can run your db server on your lathe!! great idea!!
[19:17:45] <Jymmm> pfred1: Virtual Machine support in the CPU
[19:18:07] <alex4nder> Jymmm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107095 <- even with that case it might be nice
[19:18:19] <pfred1> Jymmm when do you use that?
[19:18:44] <Jymmm> pfred1: Lets say you want to have windows CAd program runnign on the same machine
[19:19:02] <pfred1> no way
[19:19:20] <pfred1> I ran some 3D file viewer in wine once
[19:19:34] <alex4nder> brb
[19:19:45] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Ah shit, even has PS hawt damn
[19:19:53] <pfred1> trash filetype had no native Linux viewer
[19:20:10] <Jymmm> pfred1: VM's are the best thign ever
[19:20:25] * pfred1 is 100% native
[19:20:47] <Jymmm> pfred1: you really should check some out.
[19:20:53] <pfred1> what for?
[19:21:04] <Jymmm> Oh man, for everything (almost).
[19:21:07] <Thetawaves> just buy another computer instead
[19:21:16] <pfred1> I have almost everything on Linux now
[19:21:25] <Jymmm> If you want to backup a base os so you don't have to do a full install.
[19:21:45] <Jymmm> If you install soemthing and it fucks up everything you just do a rollback and you're good to go
[19:21:59] <pfred1> I need to take one more crack at getting KDE 3.5 going on my new junker
[19:22:08] <Jymmm> If you need to test something, just copy a VM and create a new one in like 3 minutes
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[19:22:22] <Jymmm> you just copy the VM to make a backup of it
[19:22:29] <Jymmm> no need to reinstall
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[19:23:38] <Jymmm> You can have (for example) xp running ie7, ie8, ie9 in diferent VM's all runnging at the same time testing websites (if your a dev)
[19:23:48] <Jymmm> same goes with testing other sw/hw
[19:23:48] <pfred1> eeewww
[19:24:02] <Jymmm> it was just an example silly
[19:24:09] <pfred1> last windows i ran was windows 95
[19:24:32] <Jymmm> That's fine, you can have a W95 VM if you wanted
[19:24:39] <Jymmm> and a W98 along side it too
[19:24:41] <pfred1> I been running linux 24/7/365 since 1996
[19:25:13] <Jymmm> Hell you can have a DOS VM so you can play your old schools too =)
[19:25:19] <Jymmm> games
[19:25:22] <Jymmm> video games
[19:25:23] <pfred1> I can do that now
[19:25:40] <Jymmm> there I guess you're good to go.
[19:25:46] <pfred1> those game run natively in Linux
[19:25:54] <pfred1> Doom Quake
[19:26:11] <Jymmm> I said OLD school. Remember the TURBO button?
[19:26:22] <Thetawaves> did you guys know that Call of duty modern warfare 3 is based on quake 3 engine?
[19:26:23] <pfred1> heck I got the code for battlezone off a 5.25 floppy i found in the back of a book and ran it
[19:26:38] <Jymmm> 4.77MHz vs 12MHz Turbo button
[19:27:03] <pfred1> Jymmm you ever run xmame?
[19:27:33] <Jymmm> *X*mame, no. But I barly use mame to much either these days
[19:27:35] <pfred1> it is an emulator
[19:28:04] <pfred1> I don't know if it needs a hypervisor or not
[19:28:08] <Jymmm> pfred1: Heh, how many ROMs do you have?
[19:28:23] <pfred1> I donno I have a half a CD of them somewhere
[19:28:37] <Jymmm> pfred1: Nah, MAME doens't do HV
[19:28:47] <pfred1> robotron joist defender all the classics
[19:28:55] <pfred1> joust even
[19:29:05] <Jymmm> pfred1: I mean the older than that
[19:29:15] <pfred1> what is older than that pong?
[19:29:22] <Jymmm> XT/286/386 days
[19:29:31] <pfred1> those are arcade games
[19:29:44] <Jymmm> PC games, not arcade
[19:29:48] <pfred1> they're pretty much second gen ones
[19:30:08] <pfred1> 1st gen arcade games were pretty lame
[19:30:28] <Jymmm> Hey, leace space invaders outta this ! ;)
[19:30:30] <Jymmm> leave
[19:30:33] <pfred1> I was in 7th grade when Pong came out
[19:30:53] <Jymmm> I had pong
[19:31:03] <pfred1> oh yeah i had to have it I had a telstar
[19:31:19] <Jymmm> dont know what that is
[19:31:21] <pfred1> it played pong handball and hockey
[19:31:26] <Jymmm> oh
[19:31:35] <Jymmm> I mean an Atario Pong console
[19:31:44] <pfred1> yes it was a console
[19:31:57] <Jymmm> http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/100_3318-sm.jpg
[19:32:02] <Jymmm> that is what I had
[19:32:25] <pfred1> http://www.pinkgorillagames.com/retro_reviews/coleco_telstar_1976.php
[19:32:34] <pfred1> that was the year 1976
[19:33:00] <Jymmm> i only remember colecovision with thee keypad on the controllers
[19:34:37] <pfred1> ah wait i guess I did get mine in 1977
[19:35:03] <pfred1> this is the exact one I had http://www.pinkgorillagames.com/retro/coleco telstar classic-thumb.JPG
[19:35:37] <Jymmm> =)
[19:36:27] <pfred1> I must have been in 9th grade
[19:36:39] <alex4nder> yoh
[19:36:40] <Jymmm> alex4nder: It just KILLS ME when I see a pwr adapter instead of a built-in PS =(
[19:36:57] <pfred1> Jymmm man that was high tech
[19:37:15] <Jymmm> pfred1: Yes, yes it was.
[19:37:32] <Jymmm> pfred1: saved me a lot of quarters is all I remember =)
[19:37:42] <pfred1> watch the unmodified star wars first movie and check out the targeting computers
[19:38:09] <pfred1> we were all like oh and ah in 1976 when we saw a tic tac toe grid
[19:38:20] <Jymmm> alex4nder: At least they were kind enough to include the 6 sata cables in the chassis =)
[19:38:28] <pfred1> we were like wow look the future!
[19:38:57] <alex4nder> Jymmm: haha yah
[19:39:09] <pfred1> I need a short sata cable
[19:39:28] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that might be a good box to throw under my mill
[19:39:35] <alex4nder> to replace the P3 1GHz I have right now
[19:39:40] <Jymmm> pfred1: I remember watchign star trek and spock with shove a square thing into the science console, a few years later the 3.5" fdd came out =)
[19:39:41] <pfred1> oh yeah that was another thing I got in my $3 pen bin a USB to sub USB cord
[19:40:17] <pfred1> heck spock was like 1968
[19:40:25] <pfred1> they didn't have floppy drives back then
[19:40:33] <pfred1> they had HDDs the size of washing machines
[19:40:37] <Jymmm> alex4nder: There are much cheaper atom board if you dont need the 6 data or require the intel nics
[19:40:45] <Jymmm> s/data/sata/
[19:40:47] <pfred1> you had to load platters with an engine hoist
[19:41:16] <Jymmm> heh
[19:41:22] <pfred1> I'm not kidding
[19:41:33] <pfred1> they had engine hoists for changing the platters in the things
[19:41:34] <Jymmm> I know you're not, that's why I'm chuckling
[19:41:48] <alex4nder> Jymmm: I like the port combination.. the cost is no big deal
[19:41:49] <pfred1> I think the disk assembly weighed like 300 pounds
[19:42:15] <pfred1> you could drop them right in though
[19:42:30] <Jymmm> alex4nder: The 6 GPIO sunds very interesting if emc can take advantage of it. thent he paraport header for limit switches etc
[19:42:52] <Jymmm> alex4nder: LVDS for a display in a single enclosure
[19:44:16] <alex4nder> yup
[19:44:31] <Jymmm> alex4nder: this dead laptop has a slim DVD sata drive too and uses standard connectors
[19:44:47] <Jymmm> brb
[19:48:28] <alex4nder> Jymmm: it looks like a 12v supply to.. and I already have one of those under my mill, alongside the 48v
[19:48:29] <pfred1> man I had a leet fortune cookie database
[19:59:20] <pfred1> I cannot figure out how to count the output of my fortune database though
[20:00:09] <pfred1> you think something as simple as fortune -f | wc -l would work but it doesn't
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[20:07:47] <pfred1> ha this works fortune -f 2>&1 | wc -l
[20:26:17] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that NF96FL doesn't have the ethernet you want, but it has a built-in power supply, which looks sick
[20:30:03] <ReadError> either im doing something really wrong
[20:30:08] <ReadError> or that motor went on really easily
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[20:30:27] <ReadError> gap set perfect, even all about
[20:30:47] <ReadError> i set the grap by screwing/unscrewing the collar
[20:31:09] <alex4nder> take a picture
[20:31:17] <ReadError> 1sec
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[20:36:55] <alex4nder> Jymmm: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html
[20:36:58] <alex4nder> that board looks great
[20:38:39] <Loetmichel> sooo, rear left side (Power panel) done also... waiting for delivery of the IEC 320 C14 panel mount sockets... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13128
[20:39:01] <ReadError> http://p.twimg.com/ArCE8QJCIAEswM2.jpg:large
[20:39:07] <ReadError> sorry camera phone
[20:39:11] <Loetmichel> done for now, going to bed (its 22:39 over here, my wife starts to complain)
[20:39:15] <ReadError> but i tried to get the table in the background
[20:39:33] <ReadError> seem acceptable gap wise?
[20:39:49] <ReadError> i dont have a feeler guage
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[20:48:58] <joe9> ReadError: seems too close, imho.
[20:49:29] <alex4nder> ReadError: you want more gap
[20:49:36] <alex4nder> double that would be good
[20:50:00] <ReadError> ah i can just loosen that ring and back it out a few turns
[20:51:53] <alex4nder> it's not a deal breaker, you'll just put strain on bearings if the coupling isn't loose enough
[20:52:29] <ReadError> i put my drill on the nut, and move the x axis around
[20:52:33] <ReadError> got it going really nice
[20:52:36] <ReadError> needed a little oil
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[21:00:10] <ReadError> alex4nder: got a link to your ps3 controller configs?
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[21:03:01] <Jymmm> alex4nder: mobo warranty 2yr, mobo in that case 1yr =)
[21:03:25] <alex4nder> ReadError: no.. but you can find some config files around on the net
[21:03:29] <alex4nder> there's also a video somewhere
[21:04:42] <alex4nder> Jymmm: I think I'm going to order a DN2800MT
[21:04:58] <Jymmm> link?
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[21:06:29] <alex4nder> Jymmm: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html
[21:07:24] <alex4nder> and just power it off of the second 12v supply I've got
[21:08:33] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[21:08:48] <alex4nder> late
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[21:11:51] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Heh, it ranks about the same as the 525
[21:11:57] <alex4nder> 'ranks'
[21:12:18] <alex4nder> except it's thin and has PCIe
[21:12:28] <Jymmm> 723 vs 714
[21:14:11] <Jymmm> alex4nder: I think this is what a few ppl are running emc on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
[21:14:32] <alex4nder> yup
[21:14:40] <Jymmm> $75 usd
[21:15:01] <alex4nder> the 2800 is the 2/3-gen replacement for the D525MW
[21:15:28] <Jymmm> I understand, just when I looked at the benchmarks for cpu, about the same
[21:15:32] <alex4nder> well more the D945
[21:16:01] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
[21:16:32] <alex4nder> right, but if CPU performance were a prime concern, none of these boards would be any good
[21:16:40] <alex4nder> the only thing I really care about is latency and I/O
[21:17:16] <alex4nder> the I/O of the DN2800MT is great, but I don't know anyone who has run one for RTAI
[21:17:39] <Jymmm> i didnt see anythign speiacl IO wise on it
[21:17:54] <Jymmm> except hdmi
[21:18:13] <alex4nder> it has intel ethernet, built in power regulation, HDMI, LVDS, eDP, parallel, RS232, two mini-PCIe, and PCI express
[21:18:35] <Jymmm> eDP ?
[21:18:42] <alex4nder> embedded display port
[21:18:47] <Jymmm> ah
[21:19:13] <alex4nder> and it supports mSATA on one of the mini-PCIes
[21:19:48] * alex4nder shrugs.
[21:19:59] <Jymmm> oh, I didn't realize the PS was on-board
[21:21:30] <Jymmm> nice voltage range
[21:25:03] <Jymmm> .79" tall
[21:25:15] <Thetawaves> actually, CPU performance is paramount with the atom board, just not the performance metric you are used to looking at.
[21:26:33] <alex4nder> Thetawaves: useless statement is useless
[21:26:42] <alex4nder> or in other words: no shit. ;)
[21:31:26] <ReadError> http://p.twimg.com/ArCQoV8CMAERK-t.jpg:large
[21:31:47] <alex4nder> sick
[21:31:55] <ReadError> yea shop is a mess heh
[21:32:14] <alex4nder> how's she working?
[21:32:27] <ReadError> just gotta bring the box down there
[21:32:30] <ReadError> and hook it up :)
[21:32:48] <alex4nder> cool
[21:33:08] <Jymmm> ReadError: You might consider using a panle mount IEC connectore instead of just mountng the stub in a j box
[21:33:52] <Jymmm> ReadError: the molding on those is just not any good
[21:34:50] <Jymmm> ReadError: oh, and it's WAY TOO CLEAN =)
[21:35:54] <ReadError> Jymmm
[21:36:07] <ReadError> im going to mount the connectors with these 12' cables
[21:36:13] <ReadError> using velco wraps around the motors
[21:36:16] <ReadError> i think..
[21:37:06] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that j-box setup is the stock Taig wiring
[21:37:27] <Jymmm> alex4nder: seriously? cheap bastards
[21:37:47] <alex4nder> Jymmm: it's not cheap if you they don't charge you for something you're not getting. :D
[21:38:52] <Jymmm> O_o
[21:39:17] <alex4nder> what?
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[21:39:23] <Jymmm> thats what I say
[21:40:17] <alex4nder> plus anyone who is going CNC should be rewiring it with a spindle control relay
[21:40:53] <alex4nder> which is on my list
[21:41:51] <Jymmm> Man, $180 for an atom mobo, that's a bit rough
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[21:42:16] <ReadError> i think they are like 80$ on newegg
[21:42:28] <Jymmm> ReadError: Special one
[21:42:36] <Jymmm> ReadError: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[21:43:07] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119037
[21:43:30] <ReadError> whats special about that one?
[21:43:49] <Jymmm> 6 sata and dual INTEL nics
[21:44:13] <ReadError> aww lame no onboard parallel?
[21:44:43] <Jymmm> the one I linked to has a paraport header, LVDS, and 5 GPIO pins
[21:44:50] <Jymmm> 6 GPIO
[21:44:53] <Thetawaves> jetway compatible
[21:45:04] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: ?
[21:45:21] <Thetawaves> Jetway Daughter Board Compatible
[21:45:28] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: ah, yeah
[21:45:28] <Thetawaves> which is these right
[21:45:29] <Thetawaves> http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/Mini_PCIE.html
[21:45:47] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: so I can have 85 sata ports =)
[21:45:51] <Thetawaves> i saw an pc104 atom computer
[21:45:59] <Jymmm> all off an atom mobo =)
[21:46:24] <Thetawaves> how?
[21:46:29] <Thetawaves> only one pci port
[21:46:33] <Jymmm> 6 sata should be fine. homefully I can bond the dual nics for 2Gbps
[21:46:59] <Thetawaves> for what reason!
[21:47:23] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: I think the daughterboard was 2 or 4 sata ports, for a total of 8
[21:47:31] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: nas box
[21:47:53] <Thetawaves> nas + cnc controller?
[21:47:55] <Jymmm> but, If i was to get that mobo, I'd do the latency test on it
[21:48:22] <Jymmm> nas | cnc
[21:48:38] <Jymmm> its overkill for cnc
[21:49:06] <Thetawaves> i would just buy an old computer on ebay for nas
[21:49:09] <Jymmm> I want a replacement for my current NAS
[21:49:19] <Thetawaves> actually i would buy two old computers on ebay, one for nas and one for cnc
[21:49:31] <Thetawaves> :P
[21:49:56] <Jymmm> I have that already and then some (server mobo's), but too big, too pwr hungry to run 24/7, etc
[21:50:10] <Jymmm> and I want more sata ports
[21:50:21] <Jymmm> 8TB is just not enough
[21:52:29] <Jymmm> I dont think I could saturate a gig link on mech drives though
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[21:56:14] <ReadError> is there a linuxcnc 'cheat sheet'
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[21:56:24] <ReadError> like one i can print
[21:56:47] <Jymmm> sure, it's 200 pages long though
[21:57:05] <Jymmm> unless you do 12 up per page
[21:57:08] <ReadError> *sad panda*
[21:57:37] <Jymmm> what did you ant specifically?
[21:57:40] <Jymmm> want
[21:57:44] <ReadError> well
[21:57:57] <ReadError> just a quick reference
[21:58:00] <ReadError> with hotkeys and such
[21:58:15] <Jymmm> keyboard commands?
[21:58:33] <ReadError> http://linuxfordummies.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vim-cheatsheet.png
[21:58:36] <ReadError> yessir
[21:58:53] <Jymmm> ReadError: Did you search the wiki, like this http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Keyboard_Shortcuts
[22:00:37] <ReadError> yea somethin like that thanks, printing
[22:01:28] <Jymmm> ReadError: Also, you could MAKE one and post it on the wiki for others as well
[22:02:27] <ReadError> yea for sure
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[22:32:02] <Tom_itx> what happened to the gecko website?
[22:32:20] <Tom_itx> i get a not found now
[22:32:39] <ReadError> magento error ;)
[22:33:24] <KimK> Jymmm: That looks like a nice motherboard, do you have it yet? What's the latency looking like? How many D525's have a PCI connector? I've been thinking I should look around for a good "universal" MB, but haven't done anything about it yet.
[22:37:41] <Tom_itx> anybody have the pdf for the 203v since the gecko site is down?
[22:41:39] <KimK> Other Vim cheatsheets: http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html http://michael.peopleofhonoronly.com/vim/
[22:43:44] <KimK> Tom_itx: I have something called G203V-REV-6-MANUAL.pdf but it's only four pages. Is that what you want?
[22:43:59] <Tom_itx> well it's more than what i have now :)
[22:44:22] <KimK> How shall I get it to you?
[22:44:45] <Tom_itx> dcc?
[22:44:47] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[22:45:35] <KimK> DCC doesn't work for me so well here, firewall, maybe? How about email attachment? PM me if you like.
[22:45:43] <ReadError> KimK: i was just posting that as an example
[22:45:51] <ReadError> i was thinkin it would be nice if linux cnc had one as well
[22:47:24] <KimK> ReadError: The D525? OK, thanks. Yes, it would be nice to find a motherboard that is likely to stay in production for awhile and does not have a lot of latency-bothering devices attached.
[22:50:33] <ReadError> huh?
[22:50:39] <ReadError> i was talking about the vim cheat sheet ;)
[22:51:19] <KimK> ReadError: Oh, OK.
[22:52:08] <KimK> Tom_itx: Here's just the text, sorry it's so goofed up, still looking for a "filebin.com" substitute. http://pastebin.com/07TYcXbw
[22:53:05] <Tom_itx> thanks
[22:53:44] <Jymmm> KimK: Hi LTNS. No, I don't have it, just found it last night. then alex4nder foudn the same in a case as well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107095
[22:54:23] <Tom_itx> i like the one for 45 better
[22:54:24] <Jymmm> KimK: Thought eh mobo alone has a 2yr warranty, and the mobo+case has a 1yr. Go figure
[22:54:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you want soem for free?
[22:55:09] <KimK> Jymmm: Hi back, thanks.
[22:55:47] <Jymmm> KimK: or were you talking abut the intel mobo?
[22:58:26] <KimK> Well, I'm talking about whatever kind of MB looks like it will be around for awhile and has reasonably high speed and good latency. Well, no latency surprises, anyway. And has at least one PCI slot. No on-board parallel port is probably OK too.
[22:59:22] <Jymmm> KimK: There's the $75 USD one too tht a few on here have used
[22:59:23] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119037
[22:59:30] <ReadError> check that out
[22:59:38] <ReadError> mobo, case, psu
[22:59:40] <ReadError> 120$
[23:00:19] <KimK> Too bad there isn't some kind of SATA-to-parallel-I/O-bits (not a parallel port) adapter. That would be pretty useful, I'll bet.
[23:00:50] <KimK> It could be expanded to DAC outputs, encoder inputs, etc.
[23:00:52] <Jymmm> ReadError: melted cables, read the reviews
[23:00:55] <Jymmm> KimK: hang on
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[23:01:59] <Jymmm> KimK: JT has this one and good latency I iirc http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
[23:02:24] <Jymmm> KimK: verify with JT to be sure that sthe correct model
[23:02:45] <KimK> Jymmm: OK, thanks, I will.
[23:05:01] <Jymmm> KimK: there's this that alex4nder found but no idea on the latency http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-DN2800MT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
[23:06:14] <Jymmm> KimK: it's only 20mm tall (0.78")
[23:07:17] <KimK> I don't quite get that 2800, does the PCI card plug in flat to the board? No card guides?
[23:08:51] <Jymmm> There is no PCI slot on the 2800 mobo.
[23:09:01] <pcw_home> no PCI but PCIE x1
[23:09:32] <KimK> Oh, OK, I misunderstood, thanks.
[23:09:33] <Jymmm> It's a standrd PCIe slot, you use the case to fasten the card
[23:09:54] <Jymmm> hi pcw_home
[23:10:17] <pcw_home> hi jymmm
[23:10:30] <KimK> Well, maybe PCIe would work, I'd have to look (3x20?) but I'm not that seriouos about it yet, full plate right now.
[23:10:38] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Hey, you shoudl tremble in fear.... This mobo has SIX, count em *SIX* GPIO on it... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107095
[23:10:49] <KimK> s/seriouos/serious/
[23:11:13] <pcw_home> 6I25 will work as well
[23:11:26] <Jymmm> wuts that?
[23:11:39] <pcw_home> PCIE version of 5I25
[23:11:47] <Jymmm> ah
[23:11:52] <Jymmm> any mPCIe ?
[23:12:18] <Jymmm> pcw_home: sorry, this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[23:12:28] <Jymmm> has 6 gpiopins
[23:12:51] <pcw_home> not yet. mPCIE would be pretty easy but needs _real_ mini pci slot (many are just USB)
[23:12:59] <Jymmm> ah
[23:13:12] <Jymmm> ethernet sounds better to me
[23:14:18] <Jymmm> pcw_home: LOL, I just had an epiphany... With IPv6, and your ethernet board. the toaster and toilet REALLY can have it's own ip subnet now
[23:14:44] <pcw_home> I'm already about 5 time faster then the EPP 7I43 with the 7I80 with just a 8 bit Ethernet chip interface (next version will be 16 bit)
[23:15:04] <KimK> Hi pcw_home, what do you think, would a SATA-to-parallel-I/O-bits (not a parallel port) adapter card be of any use. Yes, it would need a driver, but that shouldn't be too bad. The concept could be expanded from GPIO to DAC output, encoder input, etc. As David Letterman asks, "Is this anything?"
[23:15:07] <pcw_home> sorry im not going to bother with IPV6...
[23:15:43] <Jymmm> pcw_home: no no, I mean http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324
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[23:16:34] <Jymmm> pcw_home: err http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt
[23:16:47] <pcw_home> KimK Ive thought about it and we already use SATA/PATA bridge chips but it does seem the long way around
[23:18:02] <Jymmm> ethernet just makes sense
[23:18:07] <KimK> OK, I understand. SATA ports are so often seen, though.
[23:18:08] <Jymmm> to me
[23:18:10] <pcw_home> Jymmm: pretty funny. Isn't there a carrier pigeon RFC as well
[23:18:58] <Jymmm> pcw_home: yep, and someone implemented it in REAL LIFE too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
[23:19:00] <pcw_home> I also worry that the hosts SATA hardware is shared somehow
[23:19:33] <Jymmm> pcw_home: note the ping tim... time=6388671.9 ms
[23:19:49] <pcw_home> :-)
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[23:20:18] <Jymmm> pcw_home: so it's been done in RL, what I was saying is use yours to make the coffee pot come to RL
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[23:32:22] <robin_sz> so, anyone know Haas G code ?
[23:32:45] <robin_sz> in particular, why does :
[23:33:02] <robin_sz> O 1234 (my program name)
[23:33:13] <robin_sz> throw a "bad number" error>>
[23:33:42] <Tom_itx> try O (1234)
[23:33:52] <Tom_itx> err nevermindk
[23:34:32] <alex4nder> hey
[23:34:39] <Tom_itx> O word doesn't use a N number
[23:34:52] <Tom_itx> so yeah, try O (program name)
[23:35:48] <Tom_itx> or O (1234 program name)
[23:35:52] <Tom_itx> if you need the number
[23:37:00] <Tom_itx> do i need 1/4 W resistor for current sense or will 1/8 be ok?
[23:37:07] <Tom_itx> on the 203v
[23:38:18] <robin_sz> nope
[23:38:41] <robin_sz> the bit in (brackest) will end up as the program name in the program list
[23:38:53] <mazafaka> robin_sz: hello, can you explain me something about the moto gloves?
[23:38:53] <Tom_itx> what's the number for?
[23:38:54] <robin_sz> the number ends up as the program number
[23:39:05] <Tom_itx> mmm
[23:39:15] <robin_sz> and it *does* work
[23:39:23] <robin_sz> but it throws that "bad number" alarm
[23:39:58] <mazafaka> robin_sz: Do they usually have carbon or plastic protecting inserts, or they are very different and some may only provide protection to the skin?
[23:39:58] <robin_sz> i just wonderee if it needed a certain style eg 6 digits or something,
[23:40:08] <Tom_itx> try it and see
[23:40:20] <jdhnc> do you have a duplicate number?
[23:40:25] <robin_sz> nope
[23:40:46] <robin_sz> mazafaka, some do, but only the ones worn by posers
[23:40:56] <robin_sz> mazafaka, goat leather is good
[23:41:18] <robin_sz> mazafaka, some back of hand protections *can* be good, but most is useless
[23:41:28] <robin_sz> studs, waste of time
[23:41:28] <Tom_itx> hmm i don't have any haas templates for my cam either
[23:41:35] <jdhnc> robin: none of mine have spaces between the O and the number, not sure if that matters though
[23:41:49] <robin_sz> we got Visual Mill with this mill, but its not been set up right
[23:41:59] <robin_sz> jdhnc, ah ha, no spaces
[23:42:05] <robin_sz> will try that 2mrw thanks!!
[23:42:08] <Tom_itx> :)
[23:42:28] <robin_sz> we finally had it running code from viusal mill today
[23:42:55] <robin_sz> after we fixed a drive amp
[23:42:58] <robin_sz> and the tool changer
[23:43:05] <robin_sz> and the overvolt protect fuses
[23:43:07] <robin_sz> and ...
[23:43:24] <robin_sz> wanna make chips nao!
[23:43:55] <Tom_itx> where's that JT-xxx guy when you need him anyway
[23:44:15] <robin_sz> mazafaka, some stitch with kevlar threads etc, but again, dunno if that actually helps at all
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[23:45:26] <robin_sz> mazafaka, and finally, just remember that many top racers who wear xxx branded leathers actually wear hand made leather from their trusted race leather guru, made up to look like the brand xxx leathers they are being sponsored to wear, but wotn wear because they fall apart on impact :)
[23:46:51] <robin_sz> jobs left to do on the Haas include "bolt the coolant pump to something so it doesnt fall over in the coolant trough and go all sparky
[23:47:00] <robin_sz> dont ask me how I know this ...
[23:48:36] <Tom_itx> is this a retro you're working on?
[23:49:03] <robin_sz> nope
[23:49:09] <robin_sz> a VF2 we picked up cheap
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[23:50:12] <robin_sz> not sure I understand the Haas tool length procedure though ...
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[23:52:48] <mazafaka> robin_sz: I just thought of protection. What do you think of jeans and jackets with buil-in protection?
[23:53:35] <mazafaka> I am about to buy relatively cheap mountain bike gloves with some plastic stuff on them
[23:53:57] <robin_sz> for road riding?
[23:54:15] <robin_sz> srlsy?
[23:54:25] <robin_sz> its up to you, I wouldn't
[23:54:44] <robin_sz> not designed for high speed impact.
[23:54:47] <robin_sz> use leather
[23:54:51] <robin_sz> nothing else
[23:54:55] <mazafaka> for riding on MTB, and for slow riding on ground roads on motorbike
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[23:55:21] <robin_sz> "ground roads" ?
[23:55:25] <robin_sz> dirt roads?
[23:55:29] <mazafaka> what gloves would you put on using your trial bike?
[23:55:42] <mazafaka> dirt roads, dirt after rain
[23:55:53] <robin_sz> ah, trials gloves :)
[23:56:02] <robin_sz> yeah OK MTB will be fines for that
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[23:56:19] <robin_sz> mtb or mx gear
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[23:56:40] <robin_sz> road gear, totally different
[23:56:41] <mazafaka> 'mx gear' ??
[23:56:46] <robin_sz> motocross
[23:57:06] <mazafaka> I want road gear then...
[23:57:26] <robin_sz> road gear is always leather, and designed for high speed impact
[23:57:31] <robin_sz> are you in the EU?
[23:57:37] <mazafaka> I do not want to look like amateur being barehand using an action cam with my helmet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilyagalkin/6953244014/in/photostream
[23:57:59] <mazafaka> robin_sz: I don't know if our Russia is in EU or not
[23:58:05] <robin_sz> hehe
[23:58:08] <robin_sz> not yet :)
[23:58:35] <robin_sz> for off-road, you need comfort, ability to move easy
[23:58:51] <robin_sz> tough boots to take rocks
[23:59:08] <mazafaka> maybe, but... When I will choose them I will have found it out
[23:59:29] <robin_sz> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=mx+boots
[23:59:38] <robin_sz> just look on ebay for mx boots
[23:59:43] <robin_sz> mx jacket
[23:59:51] <robin_sz> it will give the right idea
[23:59:57] <robin_sz> even if yo ubuy locally in russia
[23:59:58] <mazafaka> I'm riding relatively slowly, it's just like on a heavy SUV, because tyres are rather A/T tham M/T