#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-04-15

[00:00:00] <Jymmm> pfred1: heh
[00:00:03] -!- reder has quit [Quit: Saindo]
[00:00:21] <pfred1> the demo business is pretty lucrative
[00:00:24] <Jymmm> what was the material wolverine was made from again?
[00:00:36] <Jymmm> pfred1: demolition?
[00:00:38] <WillenCMD> aniridium or something like that
[00:00:42] <pfred1> yes
[00:00:46] <Jymmm> WillenCMD: yeah, that's it.
[00:01:06] <Jymmm> pfred1: Cool, if he has any spare fuse laying aorund send me some
[00:01:08] <WillenCMD> <==Nerd
[00:01:27] <pfred1> I knew mazochhi too
[00:01:27] <Jymmm> pfred1: the yellow stuff =)
[00:01:34] <pfred1> or however his name is spelt
[00:01:44] <pfred1> you saw his equipment on the WTC site
[00:02:06] <pfred1> he was the lead demo on that job
[00:02:14] <Jymmm> cool,
[00:02:24] <pfred1> sammy was an asshole
[00:02:30] <Jymmm> I'd HOPE he make $1M+///day for risking lives
[00:02:30] <pfred1> but most in the demo racket are
[00:02:55] <pfred1> petie was OK though
[00:03:50] <pfred1> a buddy of mine lived in one of sammy's rentals and I've worked for him too
[00:06:33] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:07:54] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Client Quit]
[00:09:29] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:14:45] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
[00:17:19] -!- cylly2 [cylly2!cylly@p54B13CB0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:19:08] -!- Loetmichel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[00:21:04] <Jymmm> If I worked with explosives daily, I'd be an asshole too, not enough time for anyone's bullshit
[00:21:34] * Tecan is ircing with amber safty glasses
[00:21:35] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:21:37] <Tecan> cool effect
[00:22:08] <Jymmm> try irc via telnet and it'll be like you're on acid
[00:26:38] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[00:29:28] <Tecan> try it !~ ? ive been on acid for the last 8 years
[00:29:35] <Tecan> lol j/k
[00:32:07] <Tecan> ouch that coffee is hot
[00:33:06] <pfred1> I used to MUD in a telnet session
[00:35:51] <Jymmm> I'd love to toss up a telnet/ssh BBS, muds, doors, tradewars, etc
[00:36:14] <Jymmm> FidoNet!!!
[00:36:27] <pfred1> telnet how it scrolls makes it tough
[00:37:01] <Jymmm> really based on your terminal config though
[00:37:19] <pfred1> raw telnet is raw telnet
[00:37:29] <Jymmm> and funny thing is I used xmodem in january too
[00:37:50] <Jymmm> no, telnet still has some temrinal emulaton to it
[00:37:59] <pfred1> oh it is a terminal
[00:38:15] <pfred1> but if the server is scrolling then so are you
[00:38:58] <pfred1> which is why people write mud clients
[00:39:30] * pfred1 used to use tt++
[00:40:36] <djdelorie> just finished milling three more brackets: http://www.delorie.com/photos/cnc/bldc-bracket-1.html
[00:40:59] <djdelorie> is cnc milling really this boring? Insert blank, press play, wait 25 minutes, remove part...
[00:41:16] <pfred1> only when you're good at it
[00:41:21] <djdelorie> ;-)
[00:41:27] <ReadError> hey djdelorie
[00:41:30] <djdelorie> hi
[00:41:33] <ReadError> where did you get your PCBs made?
[00:41:36] <pfred1> when it gets exciting it can get expensive too
[00:42:03] <djdelorie> dorkbotPDX - http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
[00:42:27] <pfred1> it had to have taken them some time to come up with that name
[00:42:34] <djdelorie> but the prototype was at pcb-pool.com as part of a panel with some other boards, as they include a free solder paste stencil
[00:42:34] <ReadError> wow
[00:42:38] <ReadError> 1$ PSI
[00:42:54] <ReadError> they all purple?
[00:42:57] <djdelorie> read more carefully :-)
[00:43:03] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[00:43:29] <djdelorie> $5 PSI for three, $1 PSI if you're making a huge batch. Yes, they're all purple.
[00:44:02] <ReadError> they look nice
[00:44:09] <ReadError> how much did your 3pcbs run?
[00:44:22] <djdelorie> $75
[00:48:07] * djdelorie returns to the shop...
[00:51:15] <ve7it> Jymmm, http://www.lememe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/thunderthighs.gif
[00:52:20] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[00:57:41] -!- ve7it has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[01:00:31] -!- stevegt_1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[01:02:48] -!- syyl_ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[01:03:22] -!- ve7it [ve7it!~LawrenceG@S0106001c10b7770f.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:04:23] <Tecan> no fn way a whole flat
[01:04:55] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:09:11] <r00t4rd3d> who uses threaded rod for lead screws?
[01:09:53] -!- cevad [cevad!~davec@host-174-45-229-40.bln-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[01:32:31] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[01:44:35] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgHpWVHXl4U
[01:45:00] <Jymmm> ve7it: Talented =)
[01:47:27] <Jymmm> ve7it: Extra creative http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKQhqPJlfIU&feature=related
[01:51:43] <Jymmm> Even the lil old lady gets in on the act... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvenpZZc50Q&NR=1&feature=endscreen
[01:54:01] -!- WillenCMD [WillenCMD!~customer@174-125-13-238.dyn.centurytel.net] has parted #linuxcnc
[01:56:11] <joe9> djdelorie: do you have any pics on how you held the bracket down?
[01:58:24] -!- atom1 [atom1!~tom@ip68-102-193-26.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:01:56] -!- Tom_L [Tom_L!~Tl@unaffiliated/toml/x-013812] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:07:38] -!- atom1 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
[02:12:49] -!- Tom_L has quit []
[02:22:35] <djdelorie> joe9: it was cut from a bigger piece, I drilled holes in each corner and used screws
[02:22:54] <joe9> ok, thanks.
[02:23:05] <djdelorie> heekscnc has an option to leave little tabs along the perimiter to keep the finished piece from flying away when it's cut out
[02:23:22] <joe9> djdelorie: another question, you spend a lot of time on the computer. Do you have wrist issues? rsi, and such?
[02:23:27] <djdelorie> nope
[02:23:50] <joe9> djdelorie: lucky you. any thing to do with your posture or keyboard?
[02:23:59] <djdelorie> football accident in high school
[02:24:05] <djdelorie> learned to type the "wrong" way
[02:24:14] <joe9> what is the wrong way?
[02:24:15] <djdelorie> also, I use a 1984 IBM Model M keyboard :-)
[02:24:23] <djdelorie> wrists *straight* not *parallel*
[02:24:51] <Thetawaves> i heard that rsi has nothing to do with typing
[02:24:53] <joe9> wrists "straight"? to what?
[02:25:01] <Thetawaves> its caused by too much *furious* masturbation
[02:25:02] <djdelorie> to your forearm
[02:25:17] <djdelorie> or golf ;-)
[02:25:55] <Thetawaves> :P
[02:26:09] <djdelorie> too much *furious* "golfing" ;-)
[02:26:15] <pfred1> I have a monster old IBM keyboard
[02:26:21] <joe9> djdelorie: i am not able to distinguish between "parallel" vs "straight" to the forearm. would you mind explaining it in a few more words, if you do not mind.
[02:26:32] <pfred1> thing is heavy like a hawaiian sufrboard
[02:26:42] <djdelorie> but really, I learned touch typing in high school while wearing a splint, learned to keep my wrists straight and my fingers more "hovering" over the keys rather than resting on the home row.
[02:26:53] <djdelorie> joe9: DON'T BEND YOUR WRISTS
[02:27:07] <djdelorie> that kind of straight
[02:27:08] <pfred1> know what makes my writs hurt?
[02:27:12] <djdelorie> lawyers?
[02:27:17] <pfred1> jackhammering
[02:27:21] <pfred1> man that messes me up
[02:28:19] <joe9> djdelorie: thanks for that good advice.
[02:28:44] <alex4nder> or you could do what I did when I had RSI,.. switch to a Kinesis Classic in Dvorak mode
[02:28:48] <alex4nder> keeps people off your workstation
[02:28:50] <joe9> djdelorie: i will stackup on keyboard pads.
[02:29:01] <joe9> i use dvorak.
[02:29:02] <djdelorie> wrist pads? I don't use them
[02:29:17] <joe9> tried datahand for a while, till it broke.
[02:29:58] <freespace> use a trackball might help too
[02:30:02] <freespace> *using
[02:30:34] <joe9> can i use dremel bits on my mill?
[02:30:44] <djdelorie> depends on what you're using them for
[02:30:57] <joe9> just some cutting and practicing.
[02:31:01] <pfred1> or how fast your mill goes
[02:31:15] -!- demacus [demacus!~demacus@erft-d932f77e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[02:31:15] <djdelorie> I'm using a CNC router bit that fits my dremel, although I'm not actually using the dremel itself...
[02:31:17] <joe9> it is a taig. about 10k rpm, i think
[02:31:25] <pfred1> top spindle speed on my mill is 2,500 RPM
[02:31:29] <pfred1> oh well then
[02:31:39] <pfred1> dremel bits it is!
[02:33:29] -!- demacus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[02:34:23] <djdelorie> at 56k rpm and 0.125" diam cutter, I'm feeding about 30 IPM with 0.040" depth, in case anyone wants a comparison... but that's in birch plywood.
[02:35:39] -!- zlog has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[02:36:11] <alex4nder> nice
[02:36:43] <pfred1> djdelorie what are you using as a spindle?
[02:37:06] <djdelorie> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Micro-Air-Grinder-17-pc-Kit/H8212
[02:37:21] <pfred1> ah you went pneumatic
[02:37:30] <djdelorie> inline oiler, high RPM, less runout than a dremel, mounts in 5/8" hole
[02:37:41] <djdelorie> uses a LOT of air, but I have one of those big stand-up air compressors
[02:37:47] <pfred1> yeah dremals are OK hand tools
[02:38:02] <djdelorie> 6 thou runout on a dremel, though. Not good when you're drilling 13 thou holes...
[02:38:33] <djdelorie> oh! Did some measurements. Backlash on X and Y around 4-5 thou, Z is less than 1 thou
[02:38:41] <djdelorie> once the plywood stops shaking :-)
[02:38:50] <pfred1> djdelorie do you know what a process that looks like sd(EXEC) might be?
[02:39:11] <djdelorie> never heard of "sd(EXEC)"
[02:39:16] <djdelorie> context?
[02:39:19] <pfred1> yeah me either
[02:39:57] <djdelorie> systemd?
[02:39:59] <pfred1> oh it popped up after I did xrandr and installed a bunch of 32 bit compat libs and it just ate one of my CPUs
[02:40:13] <pfred1> like 13 system load
[02:40:17] <djdelorie> ouch
[02:40:23] <pfred1> yeah and climbing
[02:40:28] <pfred1> before I shut down
[02:40:39] <pfred1> kind of hard to google sd
[02:41:03] <pfred1> well the system was so messed up I mean I couldn't do anything was like working in molassass
[02:43:25] -!- koax has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[02:56:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3GiFo1aXiQ
[03:03:09] -!- mozmck has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[03:05:21] -!- mozmck [mozmck!~moses@client-] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:14:17] -!- crib has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[03:16:56] -!- mozmck has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[03:17:01] -!- crib [crib!~chris@port-92-202-122-47.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:18:49] -!- mozmck [mozmck!~moses@client-] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:31:40] -!- cmorley has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[03:34:29] -!- Valen [Valen!~Valen@c122-108-45-139.blktn6.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[03:39:31] -!- pfred1 has quit [Quit: now its time to say goodbye to all our company ...]
[04:26:32] -!- phantoxe has quit []
[04:35:31] <MattyMatt> djdelorie, my dremels are a different runout every time I tighten the nut
[04:35:59] <MattyMatt> I'm gonna try making my own collets when I'v got something to slit them
[04:38:32] <MattyMatt> or I'll try that trick for truing things in a lathe chuck, by pressing a bearing on the side while running it with the nut a bit loose
[04:41:55] <r00t4rd3d> or buy a real spindle :)
[04:41:58] <alex4nder> haha
[04:42:01] <MattyMatt> for the dremel I use as a mill spindle I could mount the bearing near the home position for that
[04:42:27] <MattyMatt> I've got an ER16 chuck on an 8mm shaft for my next spindle :)
[04:42:40] <Tecan> http://postimage.org/image/vognk96z7/
[04:42:45] <Tecan> yaay
[04:43:04] <Valen> wassat?
[04:43:18] <MattyMatt> 8mm shaft for obvious reasons. 608 of them
[04:44:07] <r00t4rd3d> tecan , meet http://imgur.com
[04:44:35] <MattyMatt> that reminds me of a cartoon. GWB saying there's 710 reasons for invading Iraq, then he spots the slide is upside down
[04:46:41] <Tecan> root they changed the way the image links are processed
[04:46:57] <Tecan> my nautilus scripts are broked
[04:50:18] <r00t4rd3d> http://zentoolworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=16&products_id=122
[04:50:24] <r00t4rd3d> think that would be any good?
[04:50:40] <r00t4rd3d> or is there something similar thats cheaper?
[04:50:53] <Tecan> Imgur is over capacity!
[04:51:08] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: that runout is horrible.
[04:52:03] <alex4nder> like like.. 6 times more than a factory ER16 taig spindle
[04:53:32] <r00t4rd3d> well they have a A+ model too :/
[04:53:35] <r00t4rd3d> http://zentoolworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=16&products_id=135
[04:53:58] <alex4nder> yah, they 'tune' that one.. the runout is still not great.
[04:54:31] -!- Tecan has quit [Quit: live long and phosphor]
[04:55:02] <alex4nder> r00t4rd3d: what's this for?
[04:55:48] <r00t4rd3d> hobby
[04:56:02] -!- mazafaka1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[04:56:08] <r00t4rd3d> but i want something decent
[04:56:08] <alex4nder> but I mean, what are you milling with it?
[04:57:14] <r00t4rd3d> yet to be determined
[04:57:41] <r00t4rd3d> wood, plastic, pcb's who knows...
[04:58:29] <alex4nder> maybe it's good enough then
[04:59:15] -!- ve7it has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[05:00:31] <MattyMatt> ER16 chucks & collets cost little more than ER11 and are more flexible
[05:01:50] <MattyMatt> I'll use a round belt to the motor, so I don't need to worry too much about motor quality
[05:02:43] <MattyMatt> I just need 2 of the best skate bearings I can afford, and a tbe to spearate them, and the pulleys
[05:03:06] <alex4nder> hah
[05:05:31] <MattyMatt> I've just looked for the british equiv of the hong kong one I got. iirc it was 3x the price but 0.0005" runout
[05:06:08] <MattyMatt> that's just from the chuck. collets and bearings not considered
[05:08:14] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: some pregnant girls come by looking for you
[05:10:08] <MattyMatt> they all do once the psycho who knocked them up has run away
[05:10:32] <MattyMatt> they alll think I'm good stepdaddy material
[05:10:46] <MattyMatt> too late, biotch!
[05:12:27] <MattyMatt> r00t4rd3d, mine's for wood plastic and alu, but I'd have spent more if I wanted it for pcb
[05:13:31] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: they ALL had DNA papers
[05:13:52] * MattyMatt has a sharpened coathanger
[05:14:04] <MattyMatt> rusty
[05:14:57] <MattyMatt> if I could afford to have sex, I could afford a decent sppindle
[05:15:06] <MattyMatt> ipso facto, quid pro quo
[05:15:16] <MattyMatt> so little time, so much to know
[05:18:32] <MattyMatt> good job I didn't donate to the "brainy sperm" bank before they changed the anonymity laws
[05:18:59] <MattyMatt> it was a bit mean making that retrospective
[05:19:17] <MattyMatt> laws aren't supposed to ever be retroactive in UK
[05:19:40] <MattyMatt> in England(and Wales) rather.
[05:23:23] * MattyMatt hopes neither wife nor girlfriend reads this
[05:23:49] <MattyMatt> nor wife's sister >:)
[05:24:12] <MattyMatt> and gf's horse
[05:24:18] <MattyMatt> while I'm at it
[05:25:01] * MattyMatt fertilises a lot of roses at least
[05:25:07] <MattyMatt> prime
[05:35:39] <alex4nder> I think you can convert the CNC Taig mill to a CNC lathe for like $200 in parts
[05:35:47] <alex4nder> with an upgraded quick-change tool holder
[05:36:17] <alex4nder> what would be really cool is to setup the lathe spindle as a 4th axis.
[06:09:52] -!- FinboySlick [FinboySlick!~shark@squal.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:19:17] -!- psha [psha!~psha@] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:19:45] -!- iwoj has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/]
[06:20:03] -!- FinboySlick has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[06:29:44] -!- asdfasd [asdfasd!~grgrgrgrg@87-194-58-242.bethere.co.uk] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:40:44] -!- jepler has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[06:44:07] -!- Thetawaves has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[06:53:26] -!- jepler [jepler!~jepler@emc/developer/pdpc.professional.jepler] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:54:26] -!- DJ9DJ [DJ9DJ!~Deejay@unaffiliated/dj9dj] has joined #linuxcnc
[06:54:54] <DJ9DJ> moin
[06:55:53] -!- Valen has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[07:18:36] -!- jepler has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
[07:22:04] -!- H264 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[07:32:59] -!- jepler [jepler!~jepler@dsl.unpythonic.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:33:01] -!- jepler has quit [Changing host]
[07:33:01] -!- jepler [jepler!~jepler@emc/developer/pdpc.professional.jepler] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:35:34] <mrsun> http://www.youtube.com/user/KEF791?feature=watch nice videos =)
[07:52:16] -!- vladimirek [vladimirek!~vladimire@adsl-dyn-153.95-102-102.t-com.sk] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:52:48] -!- stevegt_ [stevegt_!~stevegt@64-130-244-2-gracehospitalitygroup.bwg.phx.sparkplugbb.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[07:56:57] -!- GeorgeH has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[07:57:09] <archivist> mrsun, something similar for polishing clock parts with a series of finer grit papers stuck to glass some come with sticky back http://www.cousinsuk.com/catalog/7/0/1561.aspx
[07:57:59] -!- GeorgeH [GeorgeH!~George@c-69-141-105-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:04:38] -!- jepler has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[08:07:49] <MattyMatt> that's how I turned my helping hands into a ghetto surface gauge
[08:08:53] <MattyMatt> and a piece of scrap steel angle into an angle plate
[08:22:35] -!- Thetawaves [Thetawaves!~Thetawave@7-139-42-72.gci.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:39:06] -!- acemi [acemi!~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi] has joined #linuxcnc
[08:49:07] -!- vladimirek has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[09:10:14] -!- gambakufu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
[09:16:52] -!- gambakufu [gambakufu!~mooznach@bzq-82-81-229-74.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:18:21] -!- WalterN [WalterN!~walter@host-174-45-122-145.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:26:43] -!- jepler [jepler!~jepler@emc/developer/pdpc.professional.jepler] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:29:11] -!- A0Sheds has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[09:33:48] -!- A0Sheds [A0Sheds!~ly@unaffiliated/l84supper] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:41:02] -!- vladimirek [vladimirek!~vladimire@adsl-dyn-153.95-102-102.t-com.sk] has joined #linuxcnc
[09:52:01] -!- gambakufu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
[10:03:43] -!- DanteTDI [DanteTDI!~quassel@host70-241-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:04:33] -!- reader1 [reader1!~tiago@84-166.192-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:06:31] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:06:31] -!- isssy [isssy!~isssy@78-83-51-185.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:07:27] -!- tiago__ [tiago__!~tiago@84-166.192-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:07:54] -!- tiago__ [tiago__!~tiago@84-166.192-178.cust.bluewin.ch] has parted #linuxcnc
[10:10:04] -!- DanteTDI has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[10:13:38] -!- DanteTDI [DanteTDI!~quassel@host70-241-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:16:17] -!- syyl [syyl!~syyl@p4FD139B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:19:49] -!- gambakufu [gambakufu!~mooznach@bzq-82-81-168-136.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:29:36] -!- cncbasher [cncbasher!~quassel@cpc15-hart9-2-0-cust101.11-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:32:55] <cncbasher> anyone clarify if this is valid .. G43 Z0.2 H1 , i'm getting the error "cannot use axis values without a gcode that uses them "
[10:33:18] -!- acemi [acemi!~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi] has parted #linuxcnc
[10:34:21] <archivist> well the error means just that
[10:34:42] <archivist> did you read g43 doc
[10:35:06] <cncbasher> to me that line is valid gcode
[10:35:37] <archivist> why, what g code does the z refer to
[10:37:29] <cylly2> cncbasher: if you want to have the offset in the gcode, not in the tooltable you have to use g43.1
[10:37:38] <archivist> where is z mentioned http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/gcode.html#sec:G43-G43.1
[10:37:43] -!- gambakufu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[10:37:48] <cncbasher> arh! ok cheers
[10:39:22] <jthornton> cncbasher, file:///home/john/emc2-dev/docs/html/gcode/overview.html#_common_error_messages
[10:39:30] <jthornton> ahhh that won't work
[10:39:47] <cncbasher> g43.1 errors also
[10:39:55] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode/overview.html#_common_error_messages
[10:40:11] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[10:40:17] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:40:58] -!- maximilian_h [maximilian_h!~bonsai@] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:41:02] <jthornton> what is the g43.1 line that errors
[10:41:48] <archivist> he had g43 not g43.1
[10:43:27] -!- cncbasher_ [cncbasher_!~quassel@cpc15-hart9-2-0-cust101.11-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:43:31] -!- adb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[10:44:48] -!- WillenCMD1 [WillenCMD1!~customer@174-125-24-231.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:46:11] <cncbasher_> john even g43.1 errors also
[10:46:46] <archivist> error message?
[10:46:52] <cylly2> cncbasher: so give us the line so we can look
[10:47:01] <cylly2> and the error message ;-)
[10:47:27] * DJ9DJ did the update to linuxcnc2.5 today
[10:47:44] <cylly2> hmm
[10:47:48] cylly2 is now known as Loetmichel
[10:47:50] <DJ9DJ> but this did not work for me: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UpdatingTo2.5
[10:48:10] <DJ9DJ> i had to change the packet source line ...
[10:48:30] <DJ9DJ> to "deb http://linuxcnc.org/linuxcnc lucid base linuxcnc2.5"
[10:48:33] <Loetmichel> Mornin', btw ;-)
[10:48:36] <DJ9DJ> moin Loetmichel
[10:50:31] <cncbasher_> here's a link http;//dl.dropbox.com/u/48903110/Roughing%20Toolpath%20-%20Top.ngc
[10:51:26] <jthornton> I think there is a typo in the link
[10:51:56] <DJ9DJ> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/48903110/Roughing%20Toolpath%20-%20Top.ngc
[10:51:59] <cncbasher_> arh ; instead of :
[10:52:18] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[10:52:22] -!- sumpfralle1 [sumpfralle1!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[10:53:13] <cncbasher_> i'm just writing a postprocessor for a friend and this is the only line giving me a problem now
[10:54:00] <archivist> its still g43 not g43.1
[10:54:13] <jthornton> you can drop the line numbers as they are not needed
[10:54:26] <cncbasher_> yea but change to g43.1 and it's still the same
[10:54:35] <cncbasher_> yea i know
[10:54:47] <jthornton> yes you can't have h with g43.1
[10:55:03] <cncbasher_> it's just easier to find errors
[10:55:38] <jthornton> its either g43.1 z0 or g43 h1 but not both
[10:56:34] <archivist> note the example chooses a tool before using g43.1
[10:57:20] <cncbasher_> thanks .. missed that one
[10:58:45] -!- sumpfralle1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
[10:58:49] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:07:24] <ReadError> mornin yall
[11:09:33] <cncbasher_> thanks guys , all working now
[11:23:17] -!- isssy has quit [Quit: Bye Bye]
[11:27:01] -!- DanteTDI has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[11:34:41] -!- DanteTDI [DanteTDI!~quassel@host70-241-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[11:57:52] <reader1> hallo, I just compiled linuxcnc only with simulation
[11:59:20] <reader1> and I'm trying test the program, but it says that the machine is not referenced
[11:59:53] <jthornton> what is the exact error?
[11:59:55] <DJ9DJ> reference it! ;)
[11:59:59] <reader1> how can I reference the machine
[12:00:15] <DJ9DJ> using axis, i have a reference button..
[12:00:25] * jthornton wonders if he means home the machine
[12:00:40] <reader1> I try in help, but I did not find this button
[12:00:51] <DJ9DJ> i think he means exaclty that :D
[12:01:34] -!- rob_h [rob_h!~rob_h@5ace703d.bb.sky.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:02:07] -!- DanteTDI has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[12:02:57] <jthornton> reader1, are you using the Axis GUI and not in English?
[12:04:13] <reader1> I pressed ctrl+home
[12:04:31] <reader1> true, is not in english :(
[12:04:42] <DJ9DJ> Referenzfahrt!
[12:05:00] <jthornton> ok then some translation errors perhaps
[12:05:38] <DJ9DJ> eh, reader1, what exactly are you doing?
[12:05:54] <jthornton> yes, F1, F2, ctrl+home should get you ready to run a G code file
[12:05:54] <DJ9DJ> i am also using emc 2.4.6 for testing my g-code
[12:05:56] <DJ9DJ> using simulation
[12:06:15] <DJ9DJ> and there is a button called "Referenzfahrt" in the german translation
[12:06:25] <jthornton> I use 2.5 on all my machines
[12:06:48] <DJ9DJ> yeah, i updated my cnc to 2.5 this morning :)
[12:06:56] <DJ9DJ> but my simulation not yet
[12:08:12] <reader1> i made F1, F2, ctrl+home, but a error appears, something like "is not possible do homing sequence while a shared home switch is close"
[12:08:44] <reader1> version 2.6.0~pre
[12:09:11] <jthornton> are you using the sim-axis or another config
[12:10:04] -!- MaWaZiK [MaWaZiK!~Mourad@] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:10:05] <jthornton> is there some feature in 2.6 that you have to have?
[12:10:43] -!- sumpfralle1 [sumpfralle1!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:10:43] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[12:11:14] -!- MaWaZiK [MaWaZiK!~Mourad@] has parted #linuxcnc
[12:12:39] <reader1> axis.ngc, have I answered your question?
[12:14:01] <jthornton> axis.ngc is a G code file
[12:14:32] <jthornton> is there some feature in 2.6 that you need? or are you thinking the higher the number the better?
[12:16:36] <reader1> jthornton no, I never used this before, I just compile from the source code
[12:17:14] <jthornton> 2.5 is the latest stable branch and is much better to use than the sometimes broken 2.6 or master
[12:17:44] <reader1> ha ok,
[12:17:50] <jthornton> are you using Ubuntu 10.04?
[12:18:34] <reader1> has the same kernel, but is Kubuntu
[12:19:06] <jthornton> you want pure simulator? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Pure_Simulator
[12:19:27] <reader1> in the start menu I chose sim>axis>axis
[12:19:34] <reader1> is this right?
[12:19:55] <jthornton> yes
[12:21:01] -!- syyl_ws [syyl_ws!~sg@p4FD139B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:21:04] <jthornton> should say on the top bar axis.ngc - AXIS 2.5.0 on EMC-HAL-SIM-AXIS or in your case 2.6
[12:23:16] <jthornton> reader1, the error your getting is not for a sim as it is reading the parallel port I assume and the sim does not
[12:25:11] <reader1> axis.ngc - AXIS 2.6.0~pre on LinuxCNC-HAL-SIM-AXIX
[12:25:47] <jthornton> that looks correct
[12:27:03] <jthornton> anyone know if the instructions on this page are current? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_Pure_Simulator
[12:30:36] <archivist> 6.06 users are stuffed with ubuntu itself support as the reposs have stopped
[12:31:46] -!- bedah [bedah!~bedah@g224154063.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:31:55] <reader1> i'm checking it out
[12:32:46] <reader1> but some troubles with python, becaus emc is looking for 2.6 python version
[12:32:56] -!- Tectu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[12:34:46] <Loetmichel> hmm... That looks like the electronics will fit completely in the base of the CNC mill... Transformers ad Stepper drivers will fit... and maybe i even have room on the left side for a µatx-Board with C2d... anyone knows of a board with 120mm max. width? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13083
[12:35:57] <archivist> longer feet could allow a bigger board
[12:36:13] -!- cncbasher_ [cncbasher_!~quassel@cpc15-hart9-2-0-cust101.11-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has parted #linuxcnc
[12:36:59] <DJ9DJ> just installed linuxcnc-2.5-sim and everything works fine
[12:37:32] <archivist> but on bigger machines electrics under mean a lot of space needed for servicing and tipping the beast
[12:38:12] <archivist> my little starturn is underneath pia
[12:42:55] <reader1> I restarted the program, and it comes one step forward,
[12:44:36] <Loetmichel> archivist: the whole machine will bie desktop
[12:44:38] <reader1> but say that "in line 9, the (Linear) movimmnt will exceed the positive limit for axis 2"
[12:44:39] <Loetmichel> be
[12:45:23] <reader1> how do I can change the limits?
[12:45:42] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11648 <- the segments of the measurement stick (whats it called in english?) are 10cm long
[12:46:07] <ReadError> whats the risk of having stepper motors that are too strong?
[12:46:39] <jthornton> too slow
[12:47:06] <Loetmichel> breaking parts it runnung in to mechanical limits, possible resonances at certain speeds with step loss
[12:47:18] <Loetmichel> @ ReadError
[12:47:45] <ReadError> but better too strong than too weak?
[12:47:50] <archivist> yes
[12:48:08] <archivist> to weak can lose steps
[12:48:19] -!- phantoxe [phantoxe!~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:48:22] <jthornton> better is just right
[12:48:29] <ReadError> and too strong can step loss too?
[12:48:45] <archivist> you need a bit extra power for safety
[12:49:45] <archivist> you should not lose steps unless you accelerate too quickly
[12:50:39] <archivist> you need enough torque to over come friction,acceleration and cutting forces
[12:51:19] <jthornton> ReadError, have you seen this page? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Mechanical_Spreadsheet
[12:52:29] <ReadError> nosir
[12:52:44] <TekniQue> yes, on a stepper without position feedback
[12:52:57] <TekniQue> there is no tolerance for the machine slowing down when it gets loaded
[12:53:04] <ReadError> sounds like i should just go with some 280s
[12:53:14] <jthornton> archivist, what is a "dry pipe" on a boiler?
[12:53:48] <ReadError> 12.5A PSU
[12:53:57] <ReadError> looks nicer than their 10A
[12:54:03] <ReadError> hmm TekniQue
[12:54:06] <ReadError> im not an EE
[12:54:12] <ReadError> but if I have a ATX PSU
[12:54:23] <ReadError> cant i just throw like 4 12v rails together
[12:54:28] <ReadError> for 48V
[12:54:32] <archivist> jthornton, I think that is a "merican" term probably the collector of steam in the steam dome
[12:54:50] <jthornton> ok thanks
[12:55:06] <archivist> jthornton, or another word for super heater
[12:55:21] <Loetmichel> ReadError: atx psu is much to low voltage
[12:55:50] <ReadError> but if it has 4, 12v rails
[12:55:59] <ReadError> wouldnt that combine to 48v?
[12:56:00] <Loetmichel> doubel voltage: double speed at same torque as a rule of thumb
[12:56:29] <ReadError> oh wait
[12:56:33] <ReadError> i would have to run them in series
[12:56:38] <Loetmichel> no, the 12V rails are all grounded. they cant put in series without heavy modifying the PSU
[12:56:44] <archivist> reader1, you cannot series supplies from one psu
[12:56:48] <ReadError> if i run them into 1 that would be same voltage extra amps
[12:56:50] <ReadError> derp
[12:57:00] <ReadError> parallel vs series
[12:57:04] * ReadError facepalms
[12:57:13] <Loetmichel> archivist: Oh, you can... but not without half a degree in electronics ;-)
[12:57:51] <Loetmichel> s/half/ at least half
[12:57:54] <archivist> Loetmichel, most pc supplies I have seen just run more wires from ONE supply
[12:58:25] <TekniQue> 12:54:23 < ReadError> cant i just throw like 4 12v rails together
[12:58:27] <TekniQue> no
[12:58:28] <Loetmichel> i have a ATX2.0 psu hrere with 2 windings and rectifiers
[12:58:32] <Loetmichel> for 12V
[12:58:43] <Loetmichel> so it would be possible to make it a 24V
[12:58:49] <TekniQue> but what you can do is take several atx power supplies, isolate their grounds
[12:58:51] <archivist> if you are luck then 2 12v supplies never seen more
[12:58:52] <TekniQue> and connect them in series
[12:59:01] <Loetmichel> but thats MUCH work, and you dont klow if the isolation holds that
[12:59:10] -!- r00t4rd3d_ [r00t4rd3d_!~XX@cpe-67-249-21-218.twcny.res.rr.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[12:59:11] <skunkworks__> there is a -12v supply usually but only a few amps if that.
[12:59:14] <TekniQue> but you know you can get 36 or 48V supplies from china
[12:59:20] <TekniQue> for a small amount of cash
[12:59:36] <ReadError> ya, 129 here
[12:59:37] <Loetmichel> skunkworks__: more like a few hundred milliamps
[12:59:40] <ReadError> for a 12.5A
[12:59:42] <TekniQue> Loetmichel: the isolation holds hundreds of volts
[12:59:55] <Loetmichel> TekniQue: more or less
[13:00:00] <TekniQue> so 48 is no problem
[13:00:14] <TekniQue> it's still a bit dodgy
[13:00:28] <TekniQue> because you're removing the EMI grounding
[13:00:29] <Loetmichel> the windings on the secondary are not necessarily isolatet like the primary -> secondary
[13:00:43] <Loetmichel> the can have a breakdown voltage <100V
[13:00:46] <Loetmichel> BTDT
[13:01:07] -!- fatpanda1 [fatpanda1!~fatpandas@c-98-219-42-32.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:01:22] <TekniQue> Loetmichel: that's not a concern
[13:01:30] -!- theorb [theorb!~theorb@] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:01:32] -!- The_Ball_ [The_Ball_!~The_Ball@] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:01:38] <TekniQue> because you're not changing anything internal to the secondary circuit
[13:01:56] <TekniQue> you're just offsetting the secondary circuit with respect to the primary
[13:02:02] <TekniQue> a dc offset
[13:02:30] <Loetmichel> hmm, i qwould go for a single big ATX supply with wide range input (90-250V) and change the caps on the 12V and then change the sensor for regulating to the double/triple
[13:02:34] <Loetmichel> can work
[13:03:12] <Loetmichel> but is also much inside knowledge required because the ohter voltages double/triple also
[13:03:41] <Loetmichel> and frankly: i dont loke SMPS for steppers and motors
[13:04:01] <TekniQue> I went the route of buying a 36V supply from china
[13:04:03] <TekniQue> on ebay
[13:04:12] <Loetmichel> i am more fond of conventional transformers and rectifiers because they can beo overloaded at least 100% for short periods of time
[13:04:28] <Loetmichel> s/loke like)
[13:06:35] <Loetmichel> the supply in the photo i have just posted is 30V for the steppers, 5V and 12V for electronics/switches on one Toroid and 12V 20A onthe other fopr the little spindle
[13:06:43] <ReadError> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/switching-power-supply/kl-600-48-48v12-5a
[13:06:44] <ReadError> or
[13:06:53] <ReadError> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/switching-power-supply/48v12-5a-switching-cnc-power-supply-kl-600-48-duplicate
[13:07:13] <Loetmichel> ReadError: what drivers do you have?
[13:07:24] <ReadError> getting g540
[13:07:36] <Loetmichel> be careful: there are not many drivers whioch can cope with 48 V
[13:07:39] <Loetmichel> gecko?
[13:07:53] <Loetmichel> hmm , dont know their voltage limit
[13:08:11] -!- r00t4rd3d has quit [*.net *.split]
[13:08:12] -!- tronwizard has quit [*.net *.split]
[13:08:12] -!- theorbtwo has quit [*.net *.split]
[13:08:12] -!- The_Ball has quit [*.net *.split]
[13:08:12] -!- fatpandas has quit [*.net *.split]
[13:08:23] theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[13:08:45] -!- tronwizard [tronwizard!~tronwizar@] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:08:59] -!- syyl_ [syyl_!~syyl@p4FD136C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:11:57] -!- syyl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[13:12:08] -!- syyl_ws has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
[13:21:36] <JT-Shop> 50v
[13:23:35] <ReadError> ya it should be able to handle it
[13:24:31] -!- syyl_ws [syyl_ws!~sg@p4FD136C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[13:28:04] <Loetmichel> grrr, a mini-itx would fit DIAGONALLY inside the mill chassis... but only if the height were 0mm :-(
[13:34:41] <reader1> I Fixed my problem, i the start menu I choose "vismach" which is a virtual CNC, and after I was able to simulate
[13:35:08] -!- mozmck has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[13:36:32] -!- mozmck [mozmck!~moses@client-] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:07:48] -!- r00t4rd3d_ [r00t4rd3d_!~XX@cpe-67-249-21-218.twcny.res.rr.com] has parted #linuxcnc
[14:08:24] -!- r00t4rd3d [r00t4rd3d!~XX@unaffiliated/r00t4rd3d] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:12:33] -!- mhaberler [mhaberler!~mhaberler@host27-71-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:28:10] -!- WillenCMD1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[14:40:16] -!- skunkworks__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[14:44:18] * Loetmichel is experiencing theodor fontanes "jockel"... i wanted to solder some new L298 in the Stepper driver... trigger of the desolder pump broken... ok, i will turn aq new one from aluminium ... started to turn: the tool holder is not in right angle... so take the holder to the mill, true it ... now i will have to grind a new lathe bit because my cutoff-tool has broken... THEN i can tunr
[14:44:18] * Loetmichel the trigger and THEN i can solder ;-)
[14:44:53] -!- mhaberler has quit [Quit: mhaberler]
[14:45:23] -!- mshaver [mshaver!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[14:48:59] -!- mozmck has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[15:14:11] -!- mozmck [mozmck!~moses@client-] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:16:20] -!- jtr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[15:18:26] e-ndy|afk is now known as e-ndy
[15:19:59] <mrsun> archivist, i ment the whole video collection he has =)
[15:21:56] <archivist> I only watched one as I get stung if I go over my download limit
[15:22:42] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[15:24:29] <r00t4rd3d> Bandwidth limits. Why people tolerate that is beyond me.
[15:25:07] <r00t4rd3d> Prices go up, service goes down.
[15:25:19] <r00t4rd3d> Heres my money!
[15:25:55] <alex4nder> #occupy archivists' ISP
[15:26:09] <r00t4rd3d> If people said FUCK YOU! the isp companies would not set caps/limits.
[15:28:03] <alex4nder> the people are just happy they get to play angry birds
[15:28:46] <archivist> funny thing is a letter last week from same isp asking me to rejoin for less for unlimited!
[15:28:51] -!- atom1 [atom1!~tom@ip68-102-193-26.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[15:29:04] -!- atom1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[15:29:09] <archivist> not actually left them yet
[15:29:51] <ReadError> hey alex4nder
[15:29:54] <ReadError> finalizing my order now
[15:30:05] <ReadError> what risk would i assume going with the 380's over the 270s ?
[15:30:09] <ReadError> (oz/in)
[15:30:27] <ReadError> i have smaller ones in the cart currently
[15:31:55] <archivist> your wallet will be emptier
[15:32:18] <archivist> bigger motors need bigger supplies and drivers
[15:36:06] <alex4nder> ReadError: the 270s are already 'too large' for the machine
[15:36:19] <ReadError> ah ok
[15:36:23] <ReadError> so i should be ok with them
[15:36:28] <alex4nder> no
[15:36:29] <ReadError> seems thats what deepgrove sells
[15:36:33] <alex4nder> bigger isn't better for stepper motors
[15:36:38] <ReadError> what do you run?
[15:36:41] <alex4nder> they should be sized to the application
[15:36:43] <alex4nder> 166 oz/in
[15:36:47] <ReadError> oh wow ok
[15:37:02] <alex4nder> on the taig you want speed
[15:37:07] <alex4nder> the screws are 20 TPI
[15:37:13] <ReadError> yea TPI so high
[15:38:08] <ReadError> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-23/nema-23-bipolar-stepper-motor-185-oz-in-quarter-inc-dual-shaft-with-a-flat
[15:38:13] <ReadError> those should do it
[15:38:58] <alex4nder> with a G540?
[15:40:20] <ReadError> yessir
[15:40:27] <ReadError> 12.5A PSU
[15:40:39] <ReadError> (bit much but it gives me some leway")
[15:41:11] <alex4nder> seems fine
[15:42:50] <ReadError> i think ill use a ps3 controller also
[15:42:57] <ReadError> until i get everything dialed in
[15:43:02] <ReadError> and get a PCI parallel card
[15:44:10] <ReadError> not sure if i want to mess with switches
[15:44:14] <ReadError> after all joe9 has been through
[15:44:23] <alex4nder> get a nice big kill switch
[15:46:33] <ReadError> well i mean limit switches
[15:47:06] <ReadError> and homing switches
[15:47:14] <alex4nder> right, but I'm saying: make sure you get a kill switch
[15:47:29] <alex4nder> something you can panic and hit
[15:55:32] <ReadError> yea for sure
[15:55:35] <ReadError> big ole button
[15:55:45] <ReadError> and i can wire that into the g540
[16:09:10] <joe9> ReadError: get the limit/home switches. it is not a big deal, and helpful, imho.
[16:09:24] <ReadError> oh you got yours working nicely?
[16:09:30] <ReadError> if so i can base my config of yours
[16:10:07] -!- mhaberler [mhaberler!~mhaberler@host27-71-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:15:23] -!- Tectu [Tectu!tectu@irc.ipv6.kunsmann.eu] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:21:37] -!- Tectu has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[16:22:54] -!- mhaberler has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[16:29:20] -!- mozmck has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
[16:29:57] <joe9> ReadError: yes, I have mine working properly. let me know when you are setup, I can share the config.
[16:30:13] <joe9> ssi, alex4nder is mcmaster a good place for buying endmills?
[16:30:30] -!- isssy [isssy!~isssy@78-83-51-185.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:30:31] <ReadError> you done any cutting yet?
[16:30:34] <ReadError> emc demo?
[16:42:34] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:42:34] -!- sumpfralle1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[16:48:13] -!- ve7it [ve7it!~LawrenceG@S0106001c10b7770f.pk.shawcable.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:50:10] -!- gambakufu [gambakufu!~mooznach@bzq-84-110-102-27.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:50:10] -!- maximilian_h has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[16:50:44] -!- maximilian_h [maximilian_h!~bonsai@] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:53:29] <JT-Shop> they have some good quality end mills... I use Lakeshore Carbide for all of my non-insert type of cutting tools
[16:55:06] <JT-Shop> they also have some cheap crappy chinese junk for the price shopper who don't care if it works or not
[16:55:30] -!- Tectu [Tectu!tectu@irc.ipv6.kunsmann.eu] has joined #linuxcnc
[16:56:17] * JT-Shop wanders off to take a nap
[16:57:05] <archivist> this should help you sleep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkQ2pXkYjRM
[17:01:52] -!- GeorgeH has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[17:02:39] -!- GeorgeH [GeorgeH!~George@c-69-141-105-145.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:02:47] -!- WillenCMD [WillenCMD!~customer@174-125-24-231.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:04:40] -!- IchGuckLive [IchGuckLive!~chatzilla@95-89-236-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:06:22] -!- cncbasher has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[17:15:43] <Loetmichel> sooo, stepperdriver fitted with new Chips. And a Heatsink. Now i can mount it in the machine (plus a 80mm Fan) ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13086
[17:16:15] <IchGuckLive> another fear day for the plainstates ahad NWC tornado watches all over
[17:17:10] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: TB6560?
[17:17:33] <Loetmichel> L297/L298
[17:17:55] <Loetmichel> read the inscrition on the chips ;-)
[17:17:56] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Read error: No route to host]
[17:17:57] -!- sumpfralle1 [sumpfralle1!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:18:07] <IchGuckLive> looks then like Mechapro steo3D
[17:18:19] <Loetmichel> it is, but OOOOLLD version
[17:18:21] <IchGuckLive> or 3-D step V3
[17:19:16] <Loetmichel> rev 2.6/2001
[17:19:17] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[17:19:20] -!- mhaberler [mhaberler!~mhaberler@host27-71-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:19:29] <Loetmichel> 3dstep
[17:19:37] -!- stevegt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[17:19:54] <IchGuckLive> i got plenty of them here but replaced it for the TB version the L298 did always break if the students did powerup wrong way
[17:22:12] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: as my CNC all have integrated PSU thats no problem
[17:22:17] -!- mhaberler has quit [Client Quit]
[17:22:24] <Loetmichel> one switshc powers it all up
[17:22:36] <Loetmichel> ... in the right sequence ;-)
[17:22:41] <Loetmichel> -c
[17:24:01] <IchGuckLive> jeh thats cool the cooling plate is this from reichelt available
[17:25:18] <Loetmichel> IchGuckLive: thats made by my other CNC
[17:25:52] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:25:54] <Loetmichel> i have a 40-pack of this laying around: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11573
[17:26:49] <Loetmichel> so i got one and cutted it to fit :-) (and put some holes in 'cause the airflow will be fom back to front rather than sideways
[17:26:53] <IchGuckLive> did you make a long run for cool checkings jet
[17:27:16] <Loetmichel> taht will happen when the rest of the machine is done ;)
[17:37:25] -!- sumpfralle1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[17:40:21] -!- maximilian_h [maximilian_h!~bonsai@] has parted #linuxcnc
[17:42:25] -!- Tecan [Tecan!~fsadf@unaffiliated/unit41] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:45:14] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:46:00] -!- uwe_ [uwe_!~uwe_@dslb-178-002-148-115.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[17:46:33] -!- isssy has quit [Quit: Bye Bye]
[17:48:05] <reader1> does anyone knows a electronics hardware system without parallel port, compatible with linuxcnc?
[17:49:13] -!- uwe__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[17:51:37] <reader1> a solution which I can do home made
[17:52:48] <IchGuckLive> reader mesacards
[17:53:36] <IchGuckLive> reader1: did you mean complede homemade
[17:54:03] <IchGuckLive> how will you get the signal out network ?
[17:54:19] <IchGuckLive> USB
[17:54:40] <archivist> no usb
[17:54:49] <IchGuckLive> tha hal has a arduino connection but for signaling is this far to low
[17:55:21] <reader1> can be serial port to, maybe it's easier
[17:55:40] <IchGuckLive> why not the Parport ?
[17:55:41] <archivist> serial is too slow for sensible work
[17:56:30] <IchGuckLive> reader1 witch country ,continent are you from
[17:56:39] -!- sumpfralle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[17:56:49] <reader1> because in the moment I have no computer with that interface
[17:57:11] <reader1> europa
[17:57:20] <IchGuckLive> this is bad new mashines will get you lots of trouble with the RTI
[17:57:43] <IchGuckLive> there are mashines for 70Euros or less in the Ebay
[17:58:26] <archivist> I use old scrap computers with parallel ports
[17:58:43] <IchGuckLive> 2Ghz is well over powerd
[17:58:59] <IchGuckLive> reader German ?
[17:59:01] <ReadError> reader1: your nick is strangly close to mine
[17:59:28] <IchGuckLive> ReadError: yours is so bad
[17:59:38] <IchGuckLive> always missunderstud
[18:02:21] <ReadError> lol whys that ;)
[18:03:11] <IchGuckLive> if we talk about system failue thats difficuld with you
[18:06:29] -!- phantone [phantone!~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:09:14] -!- phantoxe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[18:10:21] <IchGuckLive> ok by for me today
[18:10:26] -!- IchGuckLive has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 11.0/20120310193829]]
[18:12:01] -!- sumpfralle [sumpfralle!~lars@31-16-21-63-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:12:35] -!- FinboySlick [FinboySlick!~shark@squal.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:12:57] -!- cmorley has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[18:25:16] e-ndy is now known as e-ndy|afk
[18:26:24] phantone is now known as phantoxe
[18:26:58] Tugge_ is now known as Tugge
[18:38:08] -!- thinpete [thinpete!~chatzilla@ip-66-80-167-54.sjc.megapath.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:38:50] <thinpete> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/tls/2943002802.html
[18:41:14] <archivist> for me its pay phone bill or ebay item 280860767432
[18:42:55] <thinpete> You can always pay your phone bill (they will gently remind you)
[18:43:22] <archivist> not without a proper job
[18:43:52] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[18:43:54] <thinpete> I mean eventually....
[18:44:09] <Loetmichel> thinpete: experience in that particular reminder?
[18:44:12] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[18:44:44] <thinpete> :-)
[18:44:46] -!- syyl_ws has quit [Quit: Verlassend]
[18:49:20] <thinpete> 10 seconds left...
[18:50:11] -!- isssy [isssy!~isssy@78-83-51-185.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:50:11] -!- isssy has quit [Client Quit]
[18:50:45] <archivist> there were three bids above my limit/bid
[18:50:51] -!- isssy [isssy!~isssy@78-83-51-185.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #linuxcnc
[18:52:34] <alex4nder> gentlemen
[18:52:52] -!- tom3p [tom3p!~tomp@74-93-88-241-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:00:07] -!- vladimirek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[19:03:44] -!- The_Ball_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[19:10:27] -!- The_Ball [The_Ball!~The_Ball@] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:11:31] <tom3p> I use image2gcode python script to convert some photos.
[19:11:36] <tom3p> The output gcode has loads of G19 G2/G3 motions.
[19:11:37] <tom3p> Would my average velocity increase if I filtered these to G1's ?
[19:12:17] <tom3p> ( i doubt i could see the .05 radii vs the G1 lines ;)
[19:12:34] <tom3p> metric
[19:27:39] -!- isssy has quit [Quit: Bye Bye]
[19:44:18] -!- tom3p [tom3p!~tomp@74-93-88-241-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has parted #linuxcnc
[19:48:22] <WillenCMD> so i installed python2.7 and now i can't run linuxcnc in place anymore
[19:49:36] -!- acemi [acemi!~acemi@unaffiliated/acemi] has joined #linuxcnc
[19:49:40] <WillenCMD> it fails when checking to see if the boost python headers are available
[19:50:23] * archivist sees far to many version problems with boost
[19:50:38] <WillenCMD> can i configure boost to use the previous version?
[19:51:43] <archivist> I now just dont bother trying to develop anything where boost is required
[19:56:39] <ReadError> cant decide between these 2 PSU
[19:56:42] <ReadError> both same specs
[19:56:48] <ReadError> one is half the size...
[19:57:05] <ReadError> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/featured-cnc-products/48v12-5a-switching-cnc-power-supply-kl-600-48-duplicate
[19:58:13] -!- The_Ball has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[19:58:59] <WillenCMD> whats the other choice?
[20:02:10] <WillenCMD> or get to 48v 7.3 amp's and wire in series
[20:02:16] <WillenCMD> be cheaper
[20:02:39] -!- iwoj [iwoj!~iwoj@d23-16-234-107.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:03:44] -!- Nick001-Shop [Nick001-Shop!~chatzilla@wlk-barre-208-103-141-44.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:04:09] <archivist> in series! you mean parallel
[20:04:16] <WillenCMD> yes
[20:04:18] <WillenCMD> my bad
[20:04:24] <alex4nder> keling is putting their name on everything these days
[20:04:46] e-ndy|afk is now known as e-ndy
[20:04:47] -!- vladimirek [vladimirek!~vladimire@adsl-dyn-153.95-102-102.t-com.sk] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:10:06] <ReadError> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/featured-cnc-products/48v12-5a-switching-cnc-power-supply-kl-600-48-duplicate
[20:10:06] <ReadError> or
[20:10:07] <ReadError> http://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/switching-power-supply/kl-600-48-48v12-5a
[20:10:17] <ReadError> the 1st is 1/2 the size
[20:10:22] <ReadError> not sure if cooling is as good though
[20:11:03] <alex4nder> they're both rebranded 'chinese specials'
[20:11:32] <WillenCMD> ya, contact Chinese manufacturer you can get them at half the price
[20:11:59] <alex4nder> ReadError: either one is fine
[20:14:17] <alex4nder> they look like Mean Well knockoffs
[20:19:59] -!- The_Ball [The_Ball!~The_Ball@] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:21:14] -!- psha has quit [Quit: leaving]
[20:27:31] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[20:28:05] -!- DJ9DJ has quit [Quit: bye]
[20:29:49] -!- tom3p [tom3p!~tomp@74-93-88-241-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:30:45] -!- andypugh [andypugh!~andy2@cpc2-basl1-0-0-cust639.basl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:32:27] <andypugh> Hmm, either I am clueless, or my correspondent is clueless. I suspect the latter. The query is "Do you know anyone who can write a program for an EPROM to covert a 12-line resolver-to-digital signal into a 3-line Hall effect signal? Attached is a program to do just this for a 4-pole motor"
[20:32:49] <andypugh> Here is the "program" http://pastebin.com/2E2Lxdf4
[20:33:02] -!- phantoxe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[20:34:47] -!- phantoxe [phantoxe!~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:38:13] -!- cmorley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
[20:38:40] <alex4nder> looks like a lookup table for transposing?
[20:40:05] -!- phantone [phantone!~destroy@a95-92-89-24.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #linuxcnc
[20:40:19] -!- phantoxe has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
[20:41:31] <andypugh> No idea, it was totally gibberish to me.
[20:42:16] <Thetawaves> andypugh, any suggestions on how easy it would be to make a hal component to write spindle commands to a file?
[20:42:42] <andypugh> He's offering to pay, if you think you can do it. I guess it might be using a lookup and an up-down counter to convert parallel data to quadrature.
[20:43:22] <andypugh> Writing to a file from HAL is not something I have done. Can you elaborate on what you are trying to achieve? Also, have you seen halsampler?
[20:45:40] <thinpete> Looks like just dived absolute 12 bit position ans simple LUT
[20:45:49] <thinpete> divide
[20:46:33] <thinpete> rather inefficient lookup table unless you divide first
[20:46:54] <thinpete> or just a case statement
[20:47:23] <Thetawaves> andypugh, i've got a micro controller mounted on my system via 9p
[20:47:37] <Thetawaves> i just need linuxcnc to write to those 'synthetic' files
[20:50:18] <andypugh> Ah, OK.
[20:50:24] <ReadError> alex4nder: was just wondering why one was half size
[20:50:35] <ReadError> i was thinking about building everything into an ATX case
[20:50:35] <alex4nder> ReadError: it's the same volume
[20:50:38] <ReadError> PSU, controller and all
[20:50:43] <ReadError> mobo..
[20:51:12] <thinpete> Arduino looking at parallel bits and spitting out Hall signals would be a fast stand-alone solution but any ~$1.00 micro should be able to do this
[20:51:27] <alex4nder> yup
[20:52:08] <andypugh> Thetawaves: Well, I think it ought to be possible, definitley as a Userspace component, and probably as a Realtime one.
[20:52:29] <Tecan> i have a monkey in my brain
[20:53:29] <andypugh> Arguably we all have
[20:58:13] <Loetmichel> hmmmm
[20:58:55] <Loetmichel> anyone thinks a IEI SBC with 3GHZ P4 will be sufficient for a LinuxCNC machine?
[20:59:07] <andypugh> thinpete: By actually looking at the code, and forcing me to do likewise, I think all the guy needs to do is shift his parallel data lines along one... (or he could make each number block half as long)
[20:59:16] <Loetmichel> (rocky board + backplane)
[20:59:59] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Probably more than adequate CPU-wise, but the Latency is the question. Any good reason not to use a very cheap Atom board?
[21:00:20] <Loetmichel> andypugh: space restrictions
[21:00:38] <Loetmichel> i have 120mm*120mm*~50mm inside the base of the CNC
[21:00:51] <Loetmichel> an ITX board is 170*170
[21:01:01] <andypugh> I was looking at Pete's PC104 boards on Wednesday (I visited Mesa :-)
[21:01:25] <andypugh> I don't know if LinuxCNC will run on a PC104 though.
[21:01:38] e-ndy is now known as e-ndy|afk
[21:01:46] <Loetmichel> and the P4 Rockys are stacking in the Company, i think i can talk my bos to spend one to my coworker
[21:01:46] <thinpete> It will but we haven't made CPUs in ages
[21:02:15] <Loetmichel> boss
[21:02:19] <andypugh> Ah, "thinpete" is PCW?
[21:02:30] <thinpete> Isn't the P4 awfully hot?
[21:02:40] <Loetmichel> so what?
[21:02:51] <thinpete> for the last couple days it is
[21:03:08] <Loetmichel> plenty of room to mount a 90mm or 120mm fan in the front iof the machine
[21:03:26] * Jymmm lol @ Loetmichel
[21:03:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13083 <- left sinde is still empty...
[21:04:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11648 <- look from above
[21:04:12] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: whats funny?
[21:04:43] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11642 <- lokk from the side
[21:05:33] -!- micges [micges!~micges@dhn227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:05:51] -!- micges [micges!~micges@dhn227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has parted #linuxcnc
[21:06:04] -!- micges [micges!~micges@dhn227.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:06:44] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: after all these years you knew that atom boards worked, and you didn't accomidate using one, yet you'll go for the oddball board and DO have room for a fan
[21:07:41] <Loetmichel> i didnt build that base
[21:07:57] <Loetmichel> taht was my coworker
[21:08:23] <Loetmichel> i just have to fill it with "working CNC"
[21:08:46] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: No excuse =)
[21:09:04] <Jymmm> I see LOTS of room under the bottom.
[21:09:06] <Loetmichel> and i like the idea of haven the CNC "self-contained" only plug in keyboard, mouse, screen, power and go
[21:09:40] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: the room is gone, there is ta bar that connects the two gantry sides
[21:10:00] <tom3p> the gantry seems to be a loop and stops the use of the underside
[21:10:39] <Loetmichel> tom3p: right
[21:10:44] <Loetmichel> see first picture
[21:10:45] <Jymmm> No, I mean UNDER that.
[21:11:24] <Jymmm> Raise the height by 4"+
[21:11:26] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: and make the CNC even higher? tahts awkward
[21:11:44] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: So? not your design, right?
[21:11:50] <Loetmichel> right
[21:12:12] <Jymmm> Well, if they didn't plan for a mobo, what cna you do
[21:12:37] <Jymmm> It's an option if they still want to intergrate everything
[21:12:47] <Loetmichel> but the other point: the Rocyk 478 boards are dusting in the company and i think i can get one with ram, 80gb disk and psu for free if i ask nicely.
[21:12:57] <Loetmichel> i'll ask my boss tomorrow and test it ;-)
[21:13:04] <Jymmm> ah
[21:13:10] <Loetmichel> a Atom board i have to buy ;-)
[21:13:35] <Loetmichel> rocky
[21:13:44] <tom3p> Jymmm got a chipload suggestion for melamine? cutter is carbide 2mm dia, single flute, .1mm tip dia, 10degree ?
[21:14:27] <Jymmm> tom3p: Same as MDF is what I'd use.
[21:14:35] <Loetmichel> and: the Rocky boards are industrial boards: there will be spares until 2023 ;-)
[21:14:38] <tom3p> ! ok, thx
[21:16:09] <Loetmichel> tom3p: i always use 24kRPM, f1200 for this
[21:16:30] <tom3p> mdf .015" bigger than the cutter
[21:16:45] <tom3p> Loetmichel, 1200mm/min feed?
[21:16:53] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4708
[21:16:54] <Loetmichel> yes
[21:16:59] <tom3p> thx
[21:17:34] <Loetmichel> thats melamine (with FR2 unterneath)
[21:17:34] <Jymmm> tom3p: fwiw, I use spiral upcut tooling,
[21:18:03] <Loetmichel> did you mean melamine clad "chipwood"?
[21:18:04] <tom3p> i just noticed onsrud is right up the street !
[21:18:11] <Loetmichel> ("spanplatte" in german)
[21:18:14] <tom3p> thx Jymm
[21:18:53] <tom3p> no solid melamine 2mm thx , cut is 1.5mm, area is 95x121mm
[21:19:01] <Jymmm> tom3p: I use ONLY CMT brand, Freud suck http://www.acetoolonline.com/Cmt-191-008-11-1-4-Upcut-Spiral-Bit-p/cmt-191.008.11.htm
[21:19:08] <Loetmichel> that should work with 1200
[21:19:34] <Loetmichel> but i use 2 flute "fishtail" cutters
[21:19:38] <Jymmm> tom3p: If you are trying to preserve the surface, then use spiral-downcut
[21:20:10] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: NEVER had a problem with chipping the surface
[21:20:25] <tom3p> lithophanes, finding and uploading images now
[21:20:41] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: It all depends on the material... oak, or $65/lf cocobolo
[21:21:16] <Loetmichel> tom3p: i use this ones: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=364 <- second and fifth from left
[21:21:38] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i meant: in melamine/hard paper
[21:22:43] <Loetmichel> tom3p: pure melamine is the stuff that is the least critical to mill, i think
[21:23:54] <Loetmichel> it doesent chip easily, it can stand a great amount of heat and doesent generate much load on the spindle/frame
[21:24:15] <Loetmichel> nut you have to use carbide tools, hss will be dull in 2"
[21:24:23] <Loetmichel> s/nut/but
[21:28:17] <tom3p> http://edmsolutionsservice.com/pix/Video_040412_001.3gp 26meg ngc file
[21:29:57] <tom3p> hehe i have exact same carriers, but from china single flute carbides
[21:30:01] <Tecan> whats the home latch vel for ?
[21:32:06] <tom3p> yes HSS made bad stink and brown burn, carbide is good but breaks tip easy and damn hard to exchange tool accurately
[21:33:57] <tom3p> oh well i cant feed faster, so i guess i'll have to slow down spindle somehow to get chipload right
[21:34:28] -!- vladimirek has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[21:37:37] <thinpete> Tecan http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf page 24
[21:39:17] -!- pfred1 [pfred1!~pfred1@unaffiliated/pfred1] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:40:08] <thinpete> tecan: sorry http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/EMC2_Integrator_Manual.pdf page 24
[21:43:21] -!- mhaberler [mhaberler!~mhaberler@host27-71-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:45:25] <tom3p> Loetmichel, can you use the other side, where the rule is? http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13063
[21:45:38] <Loetmichel> yes
[21:45:52] <Loetmichel> but in the middle is a strut ;-)
[21:46:01] <Loetmichel> (under the leadscrew)
[21:46:26] <tom3p> :( constraints!
[21:46:33] <Loetmichel> so i have 2 "boxes" with roughly 120mm*120mm*500mm
[21:46:54] <Loetmichel> one is needed for the Stepper controller and the Stepper/spindle PSU
[21:47:06] <Loetmichel> the other is perfect for a Single board PC ;-)
[21:48:02] <tom3p> and need 170mm? in the box but diagonal? ( messy but may fit if angled )
[21:48:16] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13083 <- stored the two toroids and the stepper driver for a test
[21:48:26] -!- H264 [H264!~walter@host-174-45-122-145.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:49:09] <Loetmichel> would fit if the board would be height 0
[21:49:13] <Loetmichel> bit it isnt
[21:49:17] <Loetmichel> but
[21:49:18] <pfred1> Loetmichel how come you geared your stepper motors?
[21:49:35] <Loetmichel> pfred1: to get same resolution in x and y
[21:49:52] <pfred1> can't set the scale?
[21:49:55] <Loetmichel> and to get some torqe, the steppers have only 1A/phase
[21:50:01] <pfred1> ah
[21:50:23] <pfred1> torque isn't software adjustable
[21:50:48] <Loetmichel> direct drive with 5mm per rev on y would nearly be ok, but the x leadstrew has 10mm per rev... that would be a bit coarse
[21:50:56] <tom3p> iwish.ihad.more.torque-01.out
[21:51:19] <Loetmichel> tom3p: hrhr
[21:51:20] <pfred1> Loetmichel you run in single step mode?
[21:51:26] <Loetmichel> halfstep
[21:51:34] <pfred1> half is good
[21:51:43] -!- WalterN has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
[21:51:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13086 <- L297/L298 board
[21:51:47] <pfred1> so that gives you 400 steps per rev?
[21:51:53] <Loetmichel> yes
[21:51:56] -!- tom3p [tom3p!~tomp@74-93-88-241-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has parted #linuxcnc
[21:52:17] <Loetmichel> and i geared down to 200 steps/mm
[21:52:23] <Loetmichel> both axis
[21:52:32] <pfred1> close to 0.001 of an inch
[21:52:34] <Loetmichel> the other one is even more demanding...
[21:52:49] <pfred1> with no gearing
[21:53:17] <pfred1> almost as close as my calipers can read
[21:53:25] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13066 <- new gears, yet to be made, the other one had a little calulating error....
[21:53:37] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11714
[21:53:45] -!- Fox_Muldr has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
[21:54:30] <Loetmichel> thats a damn small gearbox...
[21:54:39] <Loetmichel> and i made the gears myself...
[21:54:56] <Loetmichel> hat to makke them 3 times until the had fit without play
[21:55:07] <Loetmichel> the planets at least
[21:55:39] -!- Fox_Muldr [Fox_Muldr!quakeman@frnk-5f7431ed.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[21:55:48] <pfred1> you made that?
[21:55:54] <Loetmichel> yes
[21:56:06] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11711
[21:56:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11702
[21:56:44] <pfred1> how about that I wouldn't think it would work out so well
[21:57:41] <Loetmichel> as i said: the planets were made 3 times to fit
[21:58:14] <Loetmichel> and then i had to notice taht i miscalculated the drive
[21:58:24] <Loetmichel> wanted to have 1:5, got 1:3.3333
[21:58:30] <pfred1> yeah it is nothing I'd ever even attempt
[21:58:34] <Loetmichel> can you imagine my anger?
[21:58:45] <pfred1> I'd have been thrilled if it worked at all
[21:59:18] -!- syyl_ has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[21:59:21] <pfred1> they make special cutters for making gear teeth
[22:00:37] <Loetmichel> right, but a 0.8mm carbide 2 flute and a cad is also working ;-)
[22:00:49] <pfred1> third time is a charm
[22:01:13] <WillenCMD> thats what i do for a living
[22:01:25] <WillenCMD> My dad owns Gateway Precision Gear
[22:01:41] <pfred1> we do it once, we do it twice, we do it until we get it right, because we're in the union!
[22:01:57] <Loetmichel> pfred1: harhar
[22:02:01] <pfred1> :)
[22:02:28] <Loetmichel> i had some issues with the shrinking gear ring
[22:02:35] <pfred1> one of our work songs
[22:02:36] <WillenCMD> what are those gears for
[22:03:02] <pfred1> they're to shock and amaze you
[22:03:05] <Loetmichel> it is a bit to large and press fit in the motor moint, so the planets hat to be a TAD smaller than calculatet
[22:03:23] <WillenCMD> never mind, i read up further
[22:03:37] <pfred1> I know I'm impressed
[22:03:37] <Loetmichel> first time they wont fit, second time i made them to small, tird time i got it right on the point ;-)
[22:04:02] -!- bedah has quit [Quit: bye]
[22:04:04] <Loetmichel> WillenCMD: to gear down a stepper on a linar rail
[22:04:07] <pfred1> man it is hot here
[22:04:38] * pfred1 got a new label maker today
[22:04:47] <WillenCMD> what pitch are they
[22:04:56] <pfred1> I asked the guy how much ie said, give me a quarter
[22:05:00] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11639 <- there is the complete rail, on the right
[22:05:27] <Loetmichel> aehm, dont know how to convert
[22:05:38] <Loetmichel> they are metric module 0,65
[22:06:54] <Loetmichel> @ WillenCMD
[22:07:06] <WillenCMD> .65 mod
[22:07:22] <WillenCMD> so about 64 pitch here in the us
[22:07:24] <Loetmichel> and they are made from "hard paper"
[22:07:29] -!- kb8wmc [kb8wmc!~chatzilla@nat.mtp.cmsinter.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:07:52] <Loetmichel> (melamin infused paper laminate, dont know the english word for it)
[22:08:32] <Loetmichel> the third set of planets are made from delrin/POM
[22:08:59] <Loetmichel> so the gearing gets a bit quiet ;-)
[22:09:34] -!- acemi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2]
[22:09:49] <WillenCMD> is that cad drawing to scale?
[22:09:58] <Loetmichel> it is
[22:10:09] <Loetmichel> outside diameter is 30mm
[22:10:48] <pfred1> phenolic?
[22:10:59] <Loetmichel> the circle in the middle is the 1/4" stepper shaft...
[22:11:14] <Loetmichel> pfred1: right, that would it be
[22:11:24] <Loetmichel> should
[22:11:38] * pfred1 is American the brits may call it something else
[22:12:33] <Loetmichel> its a great stuff anyway: hard as hell, not temperature weakening, easy to mill, just a bit brittle ;)
[22:12:41] <pfred1> oh look andypugh is on now
[22:12:53] <Loetmichel> but for the forces in the stepper gearing it is sufficient
[22:12:59] <pfred1> yeah it can chip
[22:13:32] <pfred1> I drilled a hole about 3" in diameter in it it was pretty tough
[22:14:31] <Loetmichel> pfred1: HSS drill bit?
[22:14:45] <pfred1> no i used an adjustable spade bit
[22:15:03] <Loetmichel> that will have been dull after the first 1/10"
[22:15:06] <WillenCMD> are you talking about Acetel?
[22:15:11] <WillenCMD> or the hard paper
[22:15:21] <pfred1> phenolic
[22:15:39] <Loetmichel> acetal?
[22:15:47] <WillenCMD> acetal*
[22:15:48] <Loetmichel> ah, POM
[22:16:11] <WillenCMD> delrin is a form of Acetal
[22:16:47] <Loetmichel> no, pom is a great stuff for gliding and garing, but not as strong/"formtrue" as Phenolic
[22:16:50] <pfred1> http://i.imgur.com/sH4Fp.jpg
[22:16:51] <Loetmichel> gearing
[22:17:26] <WillenCMD> we make Rc car gears out of delrin. (www.p-r-s.com)
[22:17:31] <Loetmichel> WillenCMD: delrin is a trademark from bayer for POM
[22:18:31] <Loetmichel> acetal seems to be the american name for Polyoxymethylen, short POM
[22:18:32] <WillenCMD> http://www.precisionracingsystems.com/
[22:18:32] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[22:18:54] <pfred1> isn't acetal plastic?
[22:18:57] <WillenCMD> yes
[22:19:01] <Loetmichel> pfred1: right
[22:19:09] <pfred1> kind of like plexiglass
[22:19:17] <Loetmichel> the "greasy" kind
[22:19:21] <WillenCMD> sort of
[22:19:28] <Loetmichel> more like teflon
[22:19:30] <Loetmichel> PTFE
[22:19:31] <WillenCMD> still brittle
[22:19:34] <Loetmichel> but a bit harder
[22:20:11] <WillenCMD> we us carbide tooling when machining it
[22:20:14] <WillenCMD> use*
[22:20:43] <WillenCMD> but, i don't drill
[22:20:58] <WillenCMD> i just bore it with a carbide boring bar without a drill hole
[22:21:04] <WillenCMD> works perfect
[22:21:14] <WillenCMD> speeds up production
[22:21:28] <pfred1> amazing the stuff you can get away with when it isn't ferrous metal
[22:22:37] <Loetmichel> hmmm, if you infuse acetal with glass fibre sniplets it gets rigidity of steel but the glide of PTFE but it still swims on water ;-)
[22:22:44] <Loetmichel> ... and doesent rust ;-)
[22:23:17] <WillenCMD> most of our machining is stainless steels
[22:23:18] <pfred1> steel is a pretty vast category
[22:23:32] <pfred1> yeah stainless is a PITA
[22:23:40] <Loetmichel> and then better use carbide to mill it because the glass wil dull a hss tool in no time ;-)
[22:23:51] <Loetmichel> pfred1: i meant mild stell
[22:24:11] <WillenCMD> i don't mind stainless
[22:24:26] <pfred1> I tapped stainless 8-32 and I just about thought it was impossible to do
[22:24:27] <andypugh> Actually, all steels have the same rigidity.
[22:24:35] <TekniQue> Loetmichel: acetal machines nicely
[22:24:47] <Loetmichel> TekniQue: pure: yes
[22:24:56] <pfred1> andypugh hey you're back!
[22:25:10] <Loetmichel> infused with GF: use carbide or get red hot dull tools ;-)
[22:25:13] <pfred1> andypugh I thought yo uwent overboard after I read about that boat in the race you were in
[22:25:25] <TekniQue> Loetmichel: I can imagine
[22:25:32] <TekniQue> glass is so abrasive
[22:25:47] <andypugh> I only went overboard once, and not all the way, and had a safety line.
[22:26:04] <Loetmichel> TekniQue: i worked for a model plane company for three years
[22:26:08] <pfred1> andypugh well the article I read was very short on details but they said british crew
[22:26:20] <pfred1> I was like oh no there goes Andy!
[22:26:30] <Loetmichel> milled FR4 and Carbon fibre plates 50% of the time
[22:26:37] <andypugh> That was Geraldton, a different boat to mine. And they still got it in to port earlier than expected.
[22:26:48] <Loetmichel> there were times wehen i went throug a dozen carbide bits on one day
[22:27:00] <TekniQue> Loetmichel: wow
[22:27:20] <pfred1> maybe you should have used diamond?
[22:27:27] <Loetmichel> carbon fibre is eve more abrasive than glass
[22:27:31] -!- theorbtwo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
[22:27:37] <Loetmichel> pfred1: they WERE diamond clad
[22:27:48] <Loetmichel> STILL i killed up to 10 or 12 a day
[22:28:21] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=364 <- second from the right
[22:28:48] <pfred1> I have that set
[22:28:52] <Loetmichel> 2mmm carbide bit, "diamnod tooth" clad with diamond dust
[22:28:59] <Loetmichel> (black stuff)
[22:29:46] <Loetmichel> i even build the machine i wworked with...
[22:30:01] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[22:30:12] <pfred1> http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4004/rotarybox.jpg
[22:30:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4648
[22:30:45] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4328
[22:31:54] <Loetmichel> nice for hand tools
[22:32:00] <Loetmichel> @ pfred1
[22:32:20] <pfred1> I got tired of lugging that box out it is too heavy now i just keep a couple bits in a little plastic box
[22:32:34] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[22:33:43] <pfred1> sometimes it is more about efficiency
[22:35:24] -!- mikegg [mikegg!~mt-operat@c-71-56-61-208.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:36:04] -!- mhaberler has quit [Quit: mhaberler]
[22:37:00] -!- WillenCMD [WillenCMD!~customer@174-125-24-231.dyn.centurytel.net] has parted #linuxcnc
[22:38:26] -!- theorbtwo [theorbtwo!~theorb@] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:39:25] -!- mshaver1 [mshaver1!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:39:52] -!- mshaver has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[22:47:42] <reader1> anyone use home made controller for CNC?
[22:48:25] -!- mshaver1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[22:48:34] <pfred1> reader1 like a pendant?
[22:49:43] -!- mshaver [mshaver!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:50:16] <reader1> any kind, I don't have CNC yet
[22:52:19] <Tom_itx> reader1, mine: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/pendant8.jpg
[22:53:15] <Tom_itx> testing it: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/pendant.jpg
[22:53:36] <pfred1> Tom_itx they may mean a motor driver though
[22:55:02] <Tom_itx> mmm
[22:56:54] <reader1> yeh, I mean the electronic controller to
[22:57:56] <pfred1> oh so you did mean a pendant?
[22:57:57] -!- mshaver1 [mshaver1!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[22:58:05] <pfred1> they're pretty advanced not everyone has one
[22:58:23] <reader1> but i'm seeng Tom_itx, and may I ask you why do you have a USB connection?
[22:59:08] <Thetawaves> Tom_itx, that thing is sweet
[22:59:18] <Thetawaves> Tom_itx, where did you get that dial?
[23:00:40] -!- mshaver has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
[23:00:44] <reader1> I'm talking about motor controller
[23:01:08] <pfred1> a motor driver?
[23:01:23] <pfred1> with servos they call them amplifiers
[23:02:12] -!- mozmck [mozmck!~moses@client-] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:02:14] <pfred1> because technically the PC controls the motor the driver just powers the motor
[23:02:53] * JT-Shop emails Tom_itx a small calculator so he don't have to scribble on paper :-)
[23:03:13] <pfred1> I need another calculator for my workshop
[23:03:21] <Tom_itx> Thetawaves, http://www.pmdx.com/MPG-01
[23:03:26] <pfred1> pain to run back to a PC to do some stuff
[23:05:05] <Tom_itx> reader1, i'm just using that to power the board
[23:05:35] <pfred1> Tom_itx USB extension cord?
[23:05:45] <Tom_itx> they're good for that
[23:06:09] <pfred1> I just got a USB keyboard for this system today
[23:06:23] <pfred1> now I have PS/2 ports doing absolutely nothing
[23:09:35] <reader1> ok, but for pendent, in the moment i'm not really interested
[23:11:27] <reader1> something like http://emergent.unpythonic.net/projects/01142347802
[23:13:51] <pfred1> ah a servo amp
[23:14:52] <reader1> I'm tying to understand what kind of signal and wich interfaces (parallel, serial, usb) linuxcnc leads
[23:15:10] <pfred1> linuxcnc only does parallel and PCI
[23:15:27] <Tom_itx> those cards i have are wired to a parport
[23:15:52] <pfred1> not to be cornfuzed with a carport
[23:16:22] <reader1> I red this interfaces in website.
[23:16:45] -!- cmorley has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
[23:17:07] <reader1> witch is parport? is it different than parallel port or db-25
[23:17:19] <pfred1> parport is a parallel port
[23:17:32] <pfred1> just shortened
[23:19:13] <reader1> ok;)
[23:21:30] <pfred1> it is what the kernel module is called in Linux too
[23:22:01] -!- mshaver [mshaver!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:22:14] <pfred1> Linux users being the lazy sots that they are
[23:23:23] <reader1> I'm seeing that the main problem in this controller is the data rate
[23:23:34] <reader1> *in all controllers
[23:23:43] <pfred1> yeah that is why most servo users opt for mesa cards
[23:24:04] -!- mshaver1 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[23:24:30] <reader1> mesa? is the PCI
[23:25:09] <pfred1> I believe they are PCI cards
[23:26:07] <pfred1> PCI is what 533 MB/s data transmission?
[23:26:29] <pfred1> I'm not sure if they use all of that but likely a good fraction of it
[23:27:16] <reader1> :S
[23:27:39] <pfred1> I think their popular cards do something like 50 MB/s?
[23:28:19] <pfred1> I haven't heard of anyone looking for any more that's for sure
[23:37:43] -!- mshaver has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[23:38:32] -!- mshaver [mshaver!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:38:38] <pfred1> ha ha that page is by Jeff Epler
[23:39:12] -!- bootnecklad [bootnecklad!~bootneckl@host-78-150-3-181.as13285.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:39:13] <pfred1> /msg nickserv info jepler
[23:39:22] -!- r00t4rd3d has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
[23:40:05] -!- r00t4rd3d [r00t4rd3d!~XX@unaffiliated/r00t4rd3d] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:40:06] <pfred1> reader1 19:39 -!- #linuxcnc jepler H 0 ~jepler@emc/developer/pdpc.professional.jepler [Jeff Epler]
[23:40:07] <Jymmm> No, that entire website is Jeff's.
[23:40:29] <pfred1> Jymmm I just saw their name at the bottom of it
[23:41:35] <pfred1> I'm wondering that DJ is going to do with his BLDC motor driver design
[23:41:50] <pfred1> I bugged him about it a while ago he was cryptic
[23:42:50] <pfred1> he was all like ah I already have a page up about them
[23:43:15] -!- mshaver1 [mshaver1!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:43:34] <Jymmm> maybe he didn't want to rehash an old project.
[23:43:37] <pfred1> but those things run
[23:43:43] <pfred1> he is just working on it
[23:43:43] <Jymmm> been there, done that sorta thing.
[23:44:02] <pfred1> well he wasn't totally done when I was bugging him
[23:44:08] <pfred1> he seems t obe done now
[23:44:44] <Jymmm> ok, and you want to make a cnc etchasketch now?
[23:44:52] -!- mshaver has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
[23:44:57] <pfred1> no i want DJ's drivers
[23:45:08] <Jymmm> DJ?
[23:45:12] <pfred1> the things can run at 300 volts
[23:45:34] <pfred1> 19:45 -!- #linuxcnc djdelorie H 0 ~dj@envy.delorie.com [DJ Delorie]
[23:45:54] -!- Valen [Valen!~Valen@c122-108-45-139.blktn6.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:46:38] <pfred1> they seem to be worth the trouble to me based on what I've seen of how they run
[23:48:17] -!- bootnecklad has quit [Quit: BRB WIREWRAPPING]
[23:50:52] -!- reader1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[23:56:35] -!- phantone has quit []
[23:58:59] -!- mshaver [mshaver!~mshaver@c-68-50-233-206.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #linuxcnc
[23:59:28] -!- asdfasd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]