#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-02-28

[00:00:36] <pfred1> but if i was to guess I'd think that one pair is for the 1-10V then there is the encoder and a ground
[00:01:37] * pfred1 picks D all of the above
[00:02:13] <pfred1> joe9 I'm doing a mill and drill job now
[00:02:30] <pfred1> making a drive flange for my new left handed circular saw that didn't come with one
[00:02:39] <PCW> ENA0+ and ENA0- are the collector and emitter of a OPTO for drive enable (I think ~30V ~10 mA max)
[00:02:41] <PCW> +-10V analog out is AOUT0. its ground is GND0
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[00:03:58] <joe9> MattyMatt2: you are correct. thrust bearings have the highest axial rigidity.
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[00:04:14] <joe9> Cylindrical roller thrust bearings (TMP) These are thrust bearings containing cylindrical rollers. They can sustain only axial loads, but they are suitable for heavy loads and have high axial rigidity. The cages are machined brass.
[00:04:24] <joe9> from http://www.thisoldtractor.com/gtbender/bearing.htm
[00:05:08] <MattyMatt2> yeah but less radial rigidity than a ball bearing
[00:05:20] <joe9> oh, really.
[00:05:25] <joe9> not good, then.
[00:05:45] <MattyMatt2> and you'd have issues with flanges to keep it seated
[00:06:17] <PCW> 7I49 manual, page 12 shows suggested ENA connections
[00:06:36] <MattyMatt2> a circlip at one end and locknuts at the other, kind of thing
[00:07:13] <MattyMatt2> I'd just put in an $8 abec 3 and move on to the next issue
[00:07:37] <pfred1> I'd just put it back together and worry when it stopped putting holes in stuff
[00:07:38] <joe9> MattyMatt2: good one. I agree, not worth spending much time on this.
[00:08:27] * pfred1 needs a borescope
[00:09:00] <MattyMatt2> for detecting tools in boring bars? :)
[00:09:24] <MattyMatt2> lets not start that again
[00:09:29] <pfred1> I'll just say my spud alignment skills could use some help
[00:11:09] <pfred1> but this thing I'm trying to make now it is going to be down to luck how well it works
[00:11:33] <pfred1> I figure what the hey I'll give it a shot
[00:11:57] <pfred1> what i got on the saw now works and it is really rough
[00:12:19] <hatch789> PCW, I see those suggested connections but I'm not sure if I should use them or not? This is my first time hooking this up
[00:14:06] <hatch789> PCW, maybe I'm not asking properly. Do I need an external power supply (12v?) in addition to the 5v external power supply I have on the 7i43 board already?
[00:16:34] <pfred1> why is 3D printing the media darling lately?
[00:18:07] <pfred1> I swear every tech channel I look at lately is 3D printing this and 3D printing that
[00:19:05] <PCW> hatch789: Normally you need a drive enable with analog drives as they will creep before the feedback loop is closed.
[00:19:06] <PCW> How these enable signals are connected depends on your drives, Thats the first thing to determine
[00:20:45] <PCW> Also remember to set the PWM modes to up/down = "2" or you will not get linear +-10V from the 7I49
[00:20:48] <pfred1> I always thought the hard part with servos came up after they were hooked up while you try to tune the amplifier?
[00:21:18] <PCW> Yes this is still the easy part....
[00:21:45] <pfred1> most I've read on the topic call it a "black art" and leave it there
[00:22:00] <pfred1> sounds kinda spooky to me ...
[00:22:07] <hatch789> OK cool... I'm putting my servo pair on the 19 & 20 pins for X and 23 & 24 pins for Y
[00:22:19] <joe9> MattyMatt2: sorry to bother you about this. from ebay, I can see that the 6204-Z bearing has an OD = 47 mm (1 27/32 inch), inner diameter = 3/4 inch and width = 14 mm (between 35/64 inch and 9/16 inch)
[00:22:22] <pfred1> don't you need an oscilloscope to tune them right?
[00:22:31] <hatch789> Those are Gnd and Aout respectively
[00:22:35] <PCW> but you definately want your drive enables working
[00:22:37] <joe9> MattyMatt2: but, I cannot seem them here. http://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-ball-bearings/=gfqbwa
[00:22:45] <PCW> HALScope
[00:22:47] <joe9> MattyMatt2: any thoughts, please?
[00:23:01] <pfred1> halscope can tune servo amps?
[00:23:32] <PCW> I would check the drives and enables before connecting them to EMC/I/O cards at all
[00:24:15] <pfred1> I got some servo motors kicking around someday I'm going to have to try to fire one up
[00:24:16] <PCW> Sure I think that how most people do it (view commanded/actual/ferror)
[00:24:57] <PCW> think of it this way a DC motor drive is only 1/2 of a step motor drive
[00:25:25] <pfred1> yeah making steppers run isn't always the easiest thing to do
[00:25:41] <pfred1> I want to make one more stepper motor drive a high amp high voltage one
[00:25:52] <pfred1> I got the small stuff down
[00:26:18] <pfred1> I have some nema 34 motors I'd like to run though
[00:26:23] <PCW> no a 50 pole 2 phase motor is not the easiest to drive
[00:26:38] <Valen> tuning servos isn't too hard
[00:26:42] <Valen> at least to get it close
[00:27:04] <PCW> especially since they are driven in D mode (which is insane for a regular motor)
[00:28:52] <pfred1> next place i want to invest in CNC though is real leads these 10 TPI acme leads I have are for the birds
[00:29:21] <pfred1> I mean I don't need a resolution of 0.00000625 a step
[00:31:08] <pfred1> for woodworking I may be better off going with a timing belt
[00:31:53] <hatch789> PCW, In pncconf I see the up/down mode for my pwm's but I don't see a way to set it to 2? Do you mean invert?
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[00:33:46] <PCW> 2 is up/down mode
[00:34:33] <hatch789> ok
[00:35:36] <joe9> MattyMatt2: these seem to the only choices with mcmastercarr http://www.mcmaster.com/#6204-ball-bearings/=gfqic2 . I am leaning towards this: http://www.mcmaster.com/#6661K105
[00:36:11] <joe9> jdhnc: wondering if you have any thoughts on my choice? ^^
[00:36:29] <JT-Shop> what are you building?
[00:36:55] <joe9> JT-Shop: just changing the spindle bearings of my drill press.
[00:37:34] <JT-Shop> should be fine for a drill press, are yours worn slap out?
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[00:37:45] <joe9> "While designated as ABEC-1, these bearings are actually made to higher-precision ABEC-3 dimensional tolerance standards." is what the page says.
[00:37:58] <joe9> JT-Shop: there is a little bit of sideways slop on mine.
[00:38:14] <JT-Shop> in the spline shaft or the bearings?
[00:38:15] <joe9> I am not sure if the new ones will be any better. but, want to check them out.
[00:38:31] <morfic> PCW: thanks, was able to watch input pin switch low/high with proximity switch connected and in turn watch output spit out the connected voltage on our 7i70/7i71
[00:38:42] <joe9> when I press the bearings sideways, I can see a little movement. not sure if that is expected or normal?
[00:39:19] <JT-Shop> mine has some slop on the quill shaft lol
[00:39:27] <PCW> morfic: good that's how its supposed to work...
[00:40:02] <JT-Shop> center punch, spotting bit, pilot hole as needed will get the holes pretty close
[00:40:10] <morfic> PCW: right, at this point a "we saw it working" beats a "we were told it should work" any day :P
[00:43:30] <pfred1> morfic you got it working?
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[00:44:45] <morfic> pfred1: depends on the "it", firmware loading in 5i22, and being able to watch and setp pins on the 7i70/7i71, yes, that it works, still tons of over its left
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[00:45:11] <pfred1> morfic oh no motors spinning yet?
[00:45:43] <pfred1> it ain't working until some rubber hits the road
[00:45:49] <morfic> pfred1: no, that'll happen when boss says he wants something spinning
[00:46:07] <pfred1> but he is pleased with the present situation?
[00:46:34] <morfic> i believe so, since i am not that much in the present situation especially
[00:47:43] <morfic> hm, aside from being a strange sentence, that grammar reads whack too.
[00:49:28] <morfic> pfred1: wish i could show you the cabinet, i actually like looking at it :P
[00:49:55] <pfred1> all built up?
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[00:52:20] <pfred1> someone really ought to update some of the text files in the source tree the project looks abandoned
[00:52:39] <pfred1> pfred1@spot:~/emc2/emc2-dev$ cat TODO
[00:52:51] <JT-Shop> what text files in what source tree?
[00:53:02] <pfred1> JT-Shop TODO and NEWS
[00:53:11] <JT-Shop> what branch?
[00:53:11] <pfred1> the last news entry was from 2009
[00:53:18] <pfred1> I just pulled the git today
[00:53:24] <JT-Shop> what branch?
[00:53:41] <pfred1> cat VERSION 2.6.0~pre
[00:54:17] <JT-Shop> ok, master... wow not much attention has been put on them then
[00:54:41] <JT-Shop> leftover from 2.3... I assume
[00:54:47] <pfred1> real leftover
[00:54:51] <pfred1> just looks shabby
[00:54:55] <JT-Shop> LOL
[00:55:34] <JT-Shop> does it show which TODO and NEWS it is? I think there are several scattered around
[00:55:35] <pfred1> not exactly what I'd use as an example of how he project is active
[00:56:45] <pfred1> least ./docs/TODO doesn't have any dates in it :)
[00:57:00] <pfred1> pfred1@spot:~/emc2/emc2-dev$ find ./ -name "*" | grep -i todo
[00:57:51] <JT-Shop> the docs ones are the only ones that I really pay any attention to
[00:58:33] <pfred1> yeah it is the TLD TODO that is the stale file
[00:59:04] <pfred1> like it is trapped in a time warp
[01:01:58] <jthornton> lol
[01:02:44] <pfred1> I know most people ignore those things but what about the fraction of a percent that actually reads them?
[01:08:05] <jthornton> I've done what I can and found more outdated material... when it gets merged to master you will see it
[01:08:50] <pfred1> jthornton I mean if I didn't know any better I'd have guessed development stopped somewhere around 2009
[01:09:17] <pfred1> and some folks looking at it might not know any better
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[01:09:50] <jthornton> that's about when I stopped brewing beer
[01:10:04] <pfred1> hops are expensive aren't they?
[01:10:04] <jthornton> wonder if there is any connection?
[01:10:19] <pfred1> cheaper to just go out and buy the stuff
[01:10:20] <jthornton> dunno still using hops from back then
[01:10:39] <jthornton> no, it's cheaper to make it when you use all grain
[01:10:40] * pfred1 lives down the road from Dogfish brewery so ...
[01:10:56] <jthornton> well you might get a frequent flier discount then
[01:11:00] <pfred1> they make some brutal beer
[01:11:43] <jthornton> weren't they on dirty jobs once?
[01:12:01] <pfred1> might have been they do a lot of media stuff sam had his own TV show for a bit
[01:12:11] <pfred1> brewmasters?
[01:12:23] <pfred1> it only ran a couple of episodes though
[01:12:24] <jthornton> yea, saw that too
[01:12:39] <pfred1> but yeah they're right up the street from me
[01:13:02] <pfred1> they just got approval for their expansion plans
[01:13:26] <pfred1> big news around these parts they're like the biggest industry around here that doesn't have feathers
[01:13:55] <jthornton> rest are chicken farmers?
[01:14:11] <pfred1> yeah this is the biggest chicken producing county in the world
[01:14:43] <jthornton> damm, I thought we were with chicken barns on every street corner
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[01:15:25] <pfred1> though dogfish is indirectly involved in the chicken racket i guess they spread spent wort on fields that grows chicken feed
[01:15:44] <jthornton> you mean spent grain?
[01:15:54] <pfred1> I thought that mess was called wort?
[01:15:58] <jthornton> wort is unfermented beer
[01:16:12] <pfred1> yeah it is the gunk from before it is beer
[01:16:31] <jthornton> the spend grains I think you mean
[01:16:43] <jthornton> from the mash tun
[01:16:46] <pfred1> I haven't been on the tour in a while now
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[01:17:02] <pfred1> it isn't as fun as it used to be
[01:17:34] <jthornton> don't get to sample the beer any more?
[01:17:44] <gurh_an> Hi everyone
[01:18:00] <pfred1> you do but it is more regimented than it used to be
[01:18:22] <pfred1> I mean they used to make sure you were crocked before you left
[01:18:31] <jthornton> someone fell into the mash tun when drunk?
[01:19:26] <gurh_an> I have a problem with "comp" I can't include any header file in my own comp file
[01:22:02] <pfred1> it has just gotten a lot more organized now they give you these little chips for drinks
[01:22:03] <jthornton> argg some bean counter has taken over the samples
[01:22:04] <jthornton> gurh_an: ask your question...
[01:22:23] <gurh_an> ok
[01:22:35] <gurh_an> thank you in advance
[01:22:50] <jthornton> comp does have some limitations as I understand it
[01:23:04] <jthornton> you may need to write it as a C file
[01:23:12] <gurh_an> that's right
[01:23:25] <gurh_an> no not
[01:25:22] <gurh_an> for example
[01:26:14] <gurh_an> let's say pluto_servo.comp
[01:27:19] <gurh_an> I command "sudo comp --install pluto_servo.comp"
[01:27:35] <gurh_an> everything is ok
[01:27:43] <gurh_an> but
[01:27:48] <pfred1> ah a permissions problem?
[01:30:32] <gurh_an> when I add "#include <sys/socket.h>"; can't find the header file
[01:31:03] <gurh_an> how can I solve the problem
[01:32:40] <pfred1> do you have the file?
[01:32:52] <gurh_an> offcourse
[01:32:53] <pfred1> ls /usr/include/sys/socket.h
[01:33:04] <gurh_an> that' ok
[01:33:41] <gurh_an> I checked the file several times
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[01:34:24] <gurh_an> I have the file in the place
[01:35:54] <hatch789> guys if I have my resolvers hooked in properly and EMC initialized; should I be able to see my X & Y axis positions changing by moving my hand wheels?
[01:36:10] <gurh_an> I am crazy for the problem
[01:36:58] <pfred1> gurh_an something must be altering your include path is all I can think
[01:37:18] <pfred1> if the file is there and that is the syntax you used it should work
[01:37:45] <pfred1> I only asked if the file was really there because that is all that would make it not work
[01:38:46] <gurh_an> I do such thing out of the emc2 directory
[01:38:52] <pfred1> maybe you don't have read permission to access it?
[01:39:12] <pfred1> the bent brackets mean default /usr/include
[01:39:23] <cstop> hatch789 resolvers are analog
[01:39:24] <gurh_an> I have it
[01:40:07] <pfred1> #include <sys/socket.h> = #include "/usr/include/sys/socket.h"
[01:40:22] <ries> KimK: Happen to be here? I would like to announce that we are in the race of participating into Gsoc on the title of LibreCAD.
[01:40:31] <gurh_an> that's right
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[01:41:27] <pfred1> but for laughs change it see what happens
[01:41:53] <gurh_an> I will try once more
[01:44:00] <pfred1> ries bit early for summer isn't it?
[01:44:21] <ries> pfred1: Not really..
[01:44:35] <pfred1> still winter here
[01:44:47] <ries> pfred1: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2012/02/mentoring-organization-applications-now.html
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[01:45:47] <pfred1> this was the mildest winter I can ever recall though
[01:47:47] <pfred1> ries I already had a daffodil bloom here
[01:47:49] <ries> pfred1: it's rain season here, I don't have winters :D
[01:48:32] <pfred1> ries this was 2 years ago http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/3994/shoveled.jpg
[01:48:45] <pfred1> we can get winter here sometimes
[01:50:05] <ries> image hack doesn't work here, I always get redirected to http://imageshack.us/img/blocked_login.jpg
[01:50:12] <pfred1> ries a week after I took that picture it snowed about the same amount on top of that
[01:50:17] <jepler> gurh_an: you can't #include <sys/socket.h> in a realtime component because it's a linux userspace header. only a restricted set of headers can be included in realtime components, and only a smaller subset of the APIs defined in those headers can be used in realtime code.
[01:51:01] <pfred1> jepler so, when are you going to fix all of that? :)
[01:51:33] <pfred1> RTAI does have a way of taking the fun out of a lot of stuff
[01:52:00] <jepler> pfred1: it would be dandy if some young, smart and strong person would make rtai networking play with linuxcnc, but I'm not your man
[01:52:03] <jepler> bbl
[01:52:46] <pfred1> that is one thing I never tried see if my network was running when I was running the RT module
[01:52:53] <gurh_an> I am trying
[01:52:58] <pfred1> I know it doesn't like GL
[01:53:06] <gurh_an> thank you
[01:53:27] <pfred1> but I could probably fix that if I was really interested
[01:54:02] <gurh_an> I must run UDP under RT
[01:54:11] <pfred1> I figure I'll save that for the next system
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[01:55:04] <gurh_an> Do you know 3S' Codesys
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[01:56:02] <gurh_an> I have run UDP on the Codesys' RTE
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[01:57:13] <pcw_home> hatch789: yes if you have your resolvers hooked up the right way in both hal and in hardware
[01:57:51] <gurh_an> Yes I must Run UDP on the RT because I love Linuxcnc
[01:58:43] <pfred1> gurh_an sometimes love ain't enough
[01:59:34] <pfred1> tool pr0n: http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5871/jsclamps.jpg
[01:59:47] <morfic> <pfred1> all built up? <-- cabinet is fully wired, minus the mesa stuff that is now on desk next to me
[02:01:11] <pfred1> morfic it's alive! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHPKaHLzXes
[02:02:09] <morfic> nice, we rip something before long
[02:02:40] <pfred1> I made it al lthe way to 1.7 IPS when I jacked up my microstep mode
[02:02:42] <morfic> i believe the spindle motor can easily insure the machine
[02:03:03] <pfred1> which ain't too shabby for running 24VDC
[02:03:24] <gurh_an> pfred1, maybe...
[02:04:17] <pfred1> but realistically I won't be able to run my machine at that speed reliably I don't think
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[02:33:49] <hatch789> hmmm I can't seem to read my resolvers and I'm pretty sure everything is hooked up properly. The exciter winding supplies the power to let sin & cos read position right?
[02:36:56] <hatch789> pcw_home, do I need to have emc in any special screen for it to read my resolver positions? or can I just be in the manual control screen?
[02:38:00] <pfred1> are you in axis?
[02:38:30] <skunkworks__> http://youtu.be/U61ub6mtpH4
[02:39:24] <pcw_home> axis is about 10 miles ahead, I would first look at the hal signals to see if the 7I49 thinks theres a resolver there
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[02:41:32] <hatch789> pcw_home, Yes I'm in Axis. What you say sounds good but how do I look at the hal signals?
[02:41:54] <pcw_home> hal show config
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[02:44:20] <pcw_home> look first at blahblahblah.resolver.00.error
[02:45:13] <hatch789> do I exit emc before executing the hal command?
[02:45:51] <pcw_home> n,o its a axis menu item
[02:46:47] <skunkworks__> within axis - under the 'machine' menu
[02:47:28] <pfred1> the learning clif begins
[02:47:47] <pcw_home> thanks skunkworks_
[02:48:12] <skunkworks__> :)
[02:48:18] <hatch789> found it
[02:48:30] <hatch789> so I'm looking for the resolver.00.error ?
[02:48:49] <pcw_home> blahblahblah.resolver.00.error
[02:48:52] <hatch789> I see components pins parameters signals
[02:49:03] <pcw_home> its a pin
[02:51:16] <hatch789> hmm I assume Pins, then Axis?. Under there I see 0, 2, 1
[02:51:26] <hatch789> or maybe Motion?
[02:52:29] <pcw_home> nope. should be something like hm2_7I43.0.resolver.00.error
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[02:56:34] <hatch789> darn ...lol is there a way to search in here? I found a bunch of hm2_7i43.0 stuff but it's pwmgen and led and other things like that
[02:57:52] <skunkworks__> are you setting the right config line? I assume you have to tell it how many resolvers you are needing?
[02:57:54] <hatch789> under parameters I found hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.scale
[02:57:54] <hatch789> 12 float RW 1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.velocity-scale
[02:57:55] <hatch789> 12 float RW 20000 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.scale
[02:57:55] <hatch789> 12 float RW 1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.velocity-scale
[02:57:55] <hatch789> 12 float RW 20000 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.scale
[02:57:55] <hatch789> 12 float RW 1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.velocity-scale
[02:57:57] <hatch789> 12 float RW -1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.excitation-khz
[02:58:01] <hatch789> 12 u32 RW 0x00989680
[02:58:17] <skunkworks__> oh - You are close...
[02:58:29] <hatch789> yeah but nothing under the PIN section about resolver that I can see
[02:58:32] <skunkworks__> there should be Pins also..
[02:58:39] <pfred1> http://www.stgraber.org/category/pastebinit/
[02:58:40] <hatch789> if there was a way to search I could just look for the word resolver
[02:59:13] <elmo40> anonimas1: any luck with the copper?
[02:59:44] <pcw_home> you can do that with "halcmd show pin | grep resolver"
[02:59:51] <hatch789> ok I think I found it
[02:59:54] <hatch789> 12 float OUT 1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.angle
[02:59:54] <hatch789> 12 s32 OUT -1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.count
[02:59:54] <hatch789> 12 bit OUT FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.error
[02:59:54] <hatch789> 12 bit I/O FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.index-enable <=> x-index-enable
[02:59:54] <hatch789> 12 float OUT -4.656613e-06 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.position ==> x-pos-fb
[02:59:54] <hatch789> 12 s32 OUT -1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.rawcounts ==> x-pos-rawcounts
[02:59:56] <hatch789> 12 bit IN FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.reset
[03:00:00] <hatch789> 12 float OUT -3979.92 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.00.velocity ==> x-vel-fb
[03:00:02] <hatch789> 12 float OUT 1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.angle
[03:00:04] <hatch789> 12 s32 OUT -1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.count
[03:00:06] <hatch789> 12 bit OUT FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.error
[03:00:08] <hatch789> 12 bit I/O FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.index-enable <=> y-index-enable
[03:00:10] <hatch789> 12 float OUT -4.656613e-06 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.position ==> y-pos-fb
[03:00:12] <hatch789> 12 s32 OUT -1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.rawcounts ==> y-pos-rawcounts
[03:00:14] <hatch789> 12 bit IN FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.reset
[03:00:16] <hatch789> 12 float OUT -3753.14 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.01.velocity ==> y-vel-fb
[03:00:18] <hatch789> 12 float OUT 1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.angle
[03:00:20] <hatch789> 12 s32 OUT -1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.count
[03:00:22] <hatch789> 12 bit OUT FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.error
[03:00:24] <hatch789> 12 bit I/O FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.index-enable <=> z-index-enable
[03:00:26] <hatch789> 12 float OUT -4.656613e-06 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.position ==> z-pos-fb
[03:00:30] <hatch789> 12 s32 OUT -1 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.rawcounts ==> z-pos-rawcounts
[03:00:32] <hatch789> 12 bit IN FALSE hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.reset
[03:00:34] <hatch789> 12 float OUT -3919.892 hm2_7i43.0.resolver.02.velocity ==> z-vel-fb
[03:01:38] <pcw_home> ok looks like there something wrong (the big velocity numbers)
[03:01:59] <hatch789> ok that sounds sort of good :)
[03:02:27] <pcw_home> Did I make the bitfile?
[03:04:59] <hatch789> I have been working with Dave (CNC_Basher) on this for months
[03:05:01] <hatch789> I think you did
[03:05:13] <hatch789> he's been working with you and with someone named chris
[03:05:40] <hatch789> We had to modify my Tree.hal file (Tree Journeyman Mill) a bit because some things are not yet in the build
[03:05:53] <hatch789> but he's working on adding those to the builds for v6 now
[03:06:02] <hatch789> since I think I'm the first to test Resolvers for you guys
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[03:06:28] <pcw_home> I know i have some bad resolver bitfiles due to a bug in Webpack
[03:06:30] <pcw_home> (no we have people using them)
[03:06:31] <hatch789> unfortunately I'm so new at this I suck on the vocabulary and interface ...at the moment
[03:07:00] <hatch789> ok but not with EMC
[03:07:13] <hatch789> at least that's what you told me a before Christmas
[03:07:15] <pcw_home> Yes with EMC
[03:07:19] <hatch789> hmm ok
[03:08:47] <pcw_home> I think this is the first one using a 7I43 but that should not make any difference
[03:09:20] <hatch789> ok
[03:09:47] <pcw_home> Do you have a oscilloscope?
[03:10:18] <hatch789> not a working on at the moment :(
[03:10:22] <pcw_home> with that you should be able to verify that the exitation and sin/cos are OK
[03:11:03] <pcw_home> even a AC voltmeter could help verify things
[03:11:08] <hatch789> this machine was working before I changed it over
[03:11:17] <hatch789> I have a volt meter (2 of them)
[03:11:51] <hatch789> OK I'm scared to ask this but I had all 3 pairs of wires opposite polarity about 2 hours ago
[03:12:08] <hatch789> each set was in it's proper pair but the + / - were reversed in each pair
[03:12:14] <pcw_home> resolver wires?
[03:12:17] <hatch789> I only set that right about 1 hour ago
[03:12:18] <hatch789> yup :(
[03:12:24] <hatch789> will that kill a resolver?
[03:12:35] <pcw_home> nope all AC
[03:12:43] <hatch789> even the exitation?
[03:12:50] <pcw_home> just a fancy variable transformer
[03:13:18] <hatch789> ok well then if I didn't kill it then I know everything is good now
[03:13:39] <hatch789> because the units were all working before I started changing wires from the old CNC computer over to EMC today
[03:14:03] <hatch789> and I know my wires are right now because I pulled the cover off of my resolver to check the color codes
[03:14:18] <hatch789> and that's how I discovered my reversed polarities
[03:14:45] <hatch789> so the resolvers should be wired into the 7i49 board now 100% correct
[03:15:02] <pcw_home> the polarity is not important (all it will change in EMC is direction or index location)
[03:15:19] <hatch789> awesome. I was scared I killed my resolvers
[03:15:31] <hatch789> so do you want me to get my AC volt meter?
[03:15:35] <pcw_home> they are just transformers
[03:16:03] <hatch789> I'm assuming I would hook the meter up and turn the hand-wheels at a steady rate to see if I get a reading on Sin or Cos?
[03:17:10] <pcw_home> yes the amplitudes will vary as to the sin(one pair) or cos (the other pair) of shaft rotation
[03:18:28] <pcw_home> since your meter is not phase sensitive the AC signal amplitude will look like a rectified sine wave
[03:19:39] <danimal_laptop> so no luck with the plasma
[03:20:06] <pcw_home> does the HV transformer get power?
[03:20:12] <danimal_laptop> yea
[03:20:15] <danimal_laptop> seems to
[03:21:14] <pcw_home> (clip voltmeter to transformer _primary_ with plasma unplugged)
[03:21:16] <pcw_home> stand back, torch on
[03:22:04] <pcw_home> check for 110 or 220 on primary
[03:22:35] <danimal_laptop> i see voltage from all leads from both transformers
[03:23:13] <hatch789> pcw_home, quick question regarding input voltage. I have my 7i43 board driven with an external computer power supply at 5v
[03:23:37] <hatch789> I have the 7i49 and 7i42TA boards connected to the 7i43 board via the 50 pin cables
[03:23:43] <pcw_home> well unless you measure across the primary of the HV transformer I'm not sure its powered
[03:23:52] <hatch789> but I do not have separate power going to the 7i49 or 7i42 boards.
[03:24:15] <hatch789> so is it possible that my resolvers are not getting any power?
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[03:24:52] <pcw_home> I would power the 7I43 from the same PC as you dont want a ground loop here (not that that has anything to do with your problem)
[03:25:14] <danimal_laptop> i tried disconnecting the hf circuit and scratch starting it but it wont burn
[03:25:35] <danimal_laptop> get lots of sparks though, definitely juice going through it
[03:25:41] <pcw_home> do the (3?) yellow LEDs light on the 7I49?
[03:26:12] <pfred1> danimal_laptop you have a plasma torch?
[03:26:17] <pcw_home> danimal_laptop: thats the plasma power, not the HF
[03:26:31] <danimal_laptop> pfred1: a non working one
[03:26:57] <pcw_home> for the HF to work the first thing is that the HV transformer must get power
[03:27:21] <danimal_laptop> pcw_home: yea i think i checked it but i will double check
[03:28:01] <pcw_home> thats why I suggested clipping you voltmeter across the HV transformer primary (in case its a control problem of some sort)
[03:28:12] <hatch789> pcw_home, I only see 2 yellow LED's on the 7i49 board
[03:28:19] <pcw_home> stay away from the HV side (5-15 KV)
[03:28:38] <pfred1> yeah
[03:30:27] <pcw_home> hatch789: That may be right dont remember off hand
[03:31:11] <hatch789> so powering the 7i43 from a separate computer power supply. Separate from the computer that EMC is running on... is bad?
[03:31:32] <hatch789> the only thing attaching my computer to the 7i43 is printer cable
[03:31:45] <pcw_home> a spark gap type HF start is pretty simple, basically just a specialized Tesla coil
[03:32:46] <pcw_home> hatch789: its not ideal. I would run everything from the same PC
[03:33:32] <hatch789> hmm ok I'll have to change that around then and bring 2 external wires out of my case for the 7i43 board then.
[03:33:54] <hatch789> that's not a problem is the 5v the correct voltage that I need?
[03:35:09] <danimal_laptop> pcw_home: the larger coil has probably 300vdc coming out of it. the smaller one has one lead in and one lead out.
[03:35:27] <danimal_laptop> it shows voltage depending on what you check it to
[03:35:40] <pfred1> sounds like a choke
[03:36:35] <pcw_home> the HV transformer is the one with the split bobbin
[03:36:59] <danimal_laptop> there's voltage then
[03:37:58] <pcw_home> you measured across the 2 primary side wires?
[03:38:24] <pcw_home> measuring to ground is not useful
[03:40:27] <pcw_home> hatch789 yes 5V is what you need (beware the 12V on disk connectors)
[03:42:05] <danimal_laptop> well i dont know if im checking it right... primary is the input side?
[03:42:15] <hatch789> pcw_home, I'm using a digital volt meter and it's not really showing anything with my switch turned to AC. No matter how fast or slow I turn the hand-wheel
[03:42:28] <hatch789> pcw_home, do I need to get my analog volt meter?
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[03:43:44] <danimal_laptop> there's 2 windings, 208 and 230, it's not very clear what's what
[03:44:24] <danimal_laptop> there's voltage across one of them
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[03:45:54] <pcw_home> can you post the picture link again?
[03:46:10] <danimal_laptop> http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/sets/72157629468486855/
[03:46:17] <pcw_home> hatch789 is EMC running?
[03:46:44] <hatch789> hmmm out of curiosity I put my meter across my Z resolver (Pins 6 & 7) which should be the exciter winding
[03:46:57] <hatch789> I would expect to see voltage across those 2 pins but I see nothing
[03:47:13] <hatch789> the power button on emc is pressed
[03:48:38] <pcw_home> if you measure them to ground the should both be about 4V DC from ground
[03:50:16] <hatch789> nothing
[03:50:20] <hatch789> I think that's the problem
[03:50:29] <pcw_home> Sounds dead
[03:50:35] <hatch789> the exciter winding isn't being energized so sin& cos have nothing to pick up
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[03:51:00] <hatch789> I don't need to power the 7i49 board separately do I?
[03:51:19] <hatch789> it's getting it's power from the 50 pin cable coming from 7i43 ...right?
[03:51:37] <pcw_home> manual page 2
[03:51:42] <hatch789> do I need to change a jumper ?
[03:51:44] <hatch789> checking manual
[03:52:00] <pfred1> pcw_home you sure know your mesa hardware
[03:52:53] <danimal_laptop> he should, he made it!
[03:53:08] <pcw_home> If you do not measure about 4VDC on the resolver drive pins to _ground_ something is really bad
[03:54:32] <hatch789> hmm... how many amps do I need my external 5v power supply to be on the 7i43?
[03:54:57] <pcw_home> as these are driven by two OP-AMP outputs in bridge mode (about 1/2 way up on a 8V power supply)
[03:54:59] <pcw_home> 1A maybe for everything
[03:55:06] <ssi> hatch789: what machine are you working on?
[03:55:19] <hatch789> I have things hooked up to the "standby" power right now since that's 2.5A max
[03:55:25] <pcw_home> but an external supply is asking for trouble run it from the PC
[03:55:29] <hatch789> and it doesn't have to light up and run the fan to deliver that
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[03:55:57] <hatch789> ssi, I'm working on configuring my Tree Journeyman 200R with emc2
[03:56:18] <hatch789> resolvers and X&Y axis built on old 1980's technology. trying to update the CNC side of things
[03:56:24] <ssi> neat
[03:56:52] <ssi> I'm about to embark on a similar adventure :P
[03:56:53] <pcw_home> what does the 5V measure at the 7I49? (P1)
[03:58:06] <hatch789> pcw_home, hmmm P1 on the P4 bar?
[03:58:32] <pcw_home> No, connector P1
[03:59:56] <hatch789> the unused external power hookup on P1?
[04:00:25] <pcw_home> Yes
[04:01:39] <hatch789> 2.01 v right now
[04:01:52] <hatch789> with emc2 running and everything
[04:03:22] <pcw_home> that is independent of EMC
[04:03:24] <pcw_home> also the fact that you dont have 3 LEDS indicates trouble (see the picture on page 3)
[04:04:44] <hatch789> I see the pic on pg 3 but don't see where the 3rd LED is?
[04:05:49] <hatch789> the 2 yellow LED's on my 7i49 that are lit up are right next to the 2 things that look like I-Beams on your drawing
[04:06:25] <pcw_home> so the 8V one is not on
[04:06:26] <pcw_home> Can you Ohm out the resolver signals to make sure none have conductivity to ground?
[04:07:03] <pcw_home> (after powering down and disconnecting the resolver connectors)
[04:07:27] <hatch789> yup so test each pair and make sure there's no leaking?
[04:07:37] <pcw_home> Yes
[04:07:45] <hatch789> ok that will take a little time
[04:08:50] <ssi> danimal_laptop: you here?
[04:08:57] <danimal_laptop> yea
[04:09:11] <ssi> I may have asked you this already, but what are you doing to power your spindle in the HNC?
[04:09:22] <danimal_laptop> vfd
[04:09:32] <ssi> did you keep the original high/low speed clutch dealy?
[04:09:58] <danimal_laptop> yes
[04:10:14] <ssi> 5hp VFD? how much was that?
[04:10:28] <danimal_laptop> its a 2?hp motor
[04:10:40] <ssi> oh I thought it was 5hp for some reason
[04:10:45] <ssi> maybe that was the CHNC
[04:10:53] <danimal_laptop> im using a 3hp vfd running on single phase
[04:10:59] <danimal_laptop> chnc has a servo
[04:11:19] <danimal_laptop> i woud go with a 5hp vfd
[04:11:36] <danimal_laptop> so it accelerates and decellerates faster
[04:12:00] <ssi> I have been looking for pricing on 5hp vfds and having a hard time finding good info
[04:12:01] <danimal_laptop> with braking resistors
[04:12:08] <ssi> I have a 1hp teco that I put on my g0602 and it was like $130
[04:12:24] <danimal_laptop> i got my last one for like $75
[04:12:38] <danimal_laptop> look on ebay
[04:13:06] <danimal_laptop> i have 3 mitusbishi vfd's, i like them
[04:13:07] <pcw_home> bbl
[04:13:12] <danimal_laptop> and they're cheap
[04:13:29] <danimal_laptop> goodnight pcw_home
[04:14:11] <ssi> what's the longest piece of stock you could turn to a given diameter on that machine?
[04:14:20] <ssi> it doesn't really seem like it's set up conducive to turning long parts
[04:14:38] <danimal_laptop> depends on the tool holder
[04:14:49] <danimal_laptop> 3 inches maybe
[04:15:25] <danimal_laptop> the part isnt going past the turret
[04:16:29] <ssi> right
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[04:17:15] <danimal_laptop> the longer the tool holder, the longer the part you can turn, but at the cost of rigidity
[04:18:41] <ssi> yeah
[04:23:55] <hatch789> pcw_home, ok some interesting results
[04:24:00] <hatch789> did a bit of extra testing to be sure
[04:24:11] <pfred1> hatch789 23:08 < pcw_home> bbl
[04:25:16] <pfred1> hatch789 there is a forum too at http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum
[04:25:51] <pfred1> lots of folks that frequent that never come here
[04:26:17] <pcw_home> back but only for a bit
[04:26:41] <pcw_home> what is your 5V at the 7I43?
[04:30:06] <pcw_home> if you only have 2V at the 7I49 I worry that its drawing to much power somehow
[04:30:08] <pcw_home> also how long are the flat cables from the 7I43 to the 7I49 (if really long you might expect excessive drop)
[04:30:10] <pcw_home> OK really bbl Ill look at the logs
[04:32:39] <hatch789> guys when you start EMC up what order do you turn things on? Do you power the Mesa boards up first then fire up EMC or the other way around?
[04:32:54] <hatch789> oh hey
[04:33:09] <hatch789> lol now he's gone probably.
[04:33:19] <hatch789> it's 5v now well it was
[04:33:46] <pfred1> this is why sometimes the forum is a better well forum
[04:34:29] <hatch789> I think I wasn't shutting the power off to my mesa boards long enough.
[04:34:29] <pfred1> I'm pretty sure PCW does the forum as well as here
[04:34:43] <hatch789> do they need like 60 seconds or more to totally drain caps or something?
[04:34:44] <ssi> if I could spend $10k on a decent CNC mill or VMC, what should I look at?
[04:35:41] <pfred1> Searched for: PCW Displaying 1 - 15 out of 143 results.
[04:37:10] <pfred1> if I was to spend 10K right now it'd better come with white sand and umbrellas in the drinks
[04:37:30] <jdhnc> are you going to play with it or make money with it?
[04:37:53] * pfred1 dons his pimp suit ...
[04:38:30] <jdhnc> I've got a WONDERFUL cnc router I'd be willing to part with for only $8k
[04:39:07] <pfred1> what kind of linear guides does it have?
[04:39:28] <jdhnc> plastic!
[04:39:56] <cstop> How are routers related to VMC's? Seem like far distant capabilities
[04:40:20] <pfred1> for 8K it'd better have THKs
[04:40:55] <cstop> I looked at a Sharnoa With Tiger IV for less than 3K
[04:41:19] <pfred1> cstop get the knack!
[04:41:38] <cstop> low hours, but the Sharnoa control might be a liability for many
[04:41:47] <pfred1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVdnqEyToqg
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[04:46:02] <pfred1> man that was all so long ago it all looked familiar but I can't quite place any of it
[04:47:50] <pfred1> wow that song came out 33 years ago
[04:48:16] <pfred1> OK now I'm oficially depressed
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[05:16:33] <merf> Anyone configure a 7i64 with 2.5 yet?
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[05:31:04] <iwoj> Is there anyone in here right now?
[05:33:00] <iwoj> I have a CNC that I can control from the stepconf wizard, but it doesn't respond in AXIS...
[05:33:10] <iwoj> Any ideas what the problem could be?
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[05:36:53] <|n0b0dy|> btns f1/f2?
[05:37:03] <|n0b0dy|> e stop and something
[05:37:36] <|n0b0dy|> you can use arrow keys and pgup/pgdown
[05:46:53] <iwoj> it doesn't respond to arrow keys (jogging) in AXIS
[05:47:12] <iwoj> but when i test jogging in stepconf, the CNC machine responds...
[05:47:42] <|n0b0dy|> see the two icons in the top left under file?
[05:48:08] <|n0b0dy|> f1 toggles the first on/off... and then f2 toggles the second on/off
[05:48:17] <|n0b0dy|> both of them have to be on to jog
[05:48:59] <iwoj> yeah. i've done that.
[05:49:16] <iwoj> i think i'm dealing with a problem at the hardware level. or a timing issue...
[05:49:38] <|n0b0dy|> you can try shift+arrows
[05:49:42] <|n0b0dy|> that will move at fastest speed
[05:50:00] <|n0b0dy|> ... and that completes my troubleshooting, sry
[05:50:39] <iwoj> ha. thanks.
[05:50:41] <|n0b0dy|> ... otherwise you might not be loading the right conf ...
[05:51:14] <|n0b0dy|> should be a desktop icon that matches your setup's name
[05:51:21] <iwoj> that's the mystery. i use stepconf to generate configs, but when i load them into AXIS, it doesn't respond.
[05:51:37] <iwoj> yes, I've been using that.
[05:51:55] <iwoj> also, AXIS periodically freezes my machine.
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[06:24:52] <fragalot> who here was it that had a monarch lathe? the one in my friends' shop just had hte original DC controller break on him & he's wondering what's available out there to replace it.
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[09:12:39] <pingufan> Good morning.
[09:15:28] <pingufan> I have a principal question on linux-cnc. When I installed my AXIS 2.3.5, I tried at that time (~ 2 years ago) first a newer version which was based on a different Ubuntu. At that time I experienced that this newer Ubuntu had troubpes with my graphics card (OnBoard, VIA Unicrome), so I installed the older one which works.
[09:16:43] <pingufan> Because I repeatedly hear that my version is very old, I think about trying the newest release.
[09:17:18] <pingufan> Does the newest release support Unicrome and Via C7 CPUs meanwhile?
[09:18:00] <pingufan> Does the new version (so I hope) support power-off on shutdown? Mine only tells "System halted" and I have to press the power button.
[09:18:43] <pingufan> Finally: Can I make a backup of the old configuration and use it in the new release, or are they incompatible?
[09:20:06] <pingufan> Please, if somebody here has experience in this, give me some details.
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[09:24:55] <cncbasher> pingufan : you should find your configuration will swap over , or a few changes , nothing major
[09:25:58] <archivist> reading the docs and change logs helps
[09:26:05] <cncbasher> cpu support should be a lot better also
[09:49:31] <pingufan> Sounds good.
[09:51:29] <pingufan> archivist: You know: Reading docs is one thing. That is theory. But practice is often a little bit different. :D Therefore I prefer to ask about experiences before running into the same troubles as others.
[09:53:28] <archivist> if we dont get you learning your own experience we have to read the docs for you!
[10:00:37] <pingufan> We say in Austria to this practice: Let someone run into an open knife.
[10:03:09] <archivist> you have the equipment and are in the best place to try it and see
[10:05:13] <pingufan> Sure. But if one knows about (possible) troubles, I'd like to know them in advance before experience them, too. This is what I mean.
[10:05:34] <pingufan> Well, I heared that this should be working meanwhile, so it is worth a try.
[10:06:56] <archivist> I always use a clean hard disk so I can go back easily
[10:06:57] <pingufan> cncbasher: Thank you for your information.
[10:08:48] <pingufan> mhm. My machine has a little laptop harddisk, there's not more room inside. And this disks are not cheap. But you are basically right, that will be the safest way. I'll have a look if I have an old other disk, 6GB should be enough.
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[11:29:39] <MattyMatt2> run-out is half the difference between min & max dial readings?
[11:32:16] <MattyMatt2> if so my $80 silverline drill press is 0.075mm = 0.003" at the chuck. suck it joe9 :)
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[12:55:37] <joe9> MattyMatt2: runout of 0.003 inches at the chuck is awesome. more than good enough for me. mine is at 0.015 in to 0.020 inches at the chuck.
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[13:00:39] <archivist> joe9, did you buy the drill new or used
[13:00:48] <joe9> archivist: used
[13:01:50] <archivist> ok more faults are possible bent spindle, and very likely is morse taper dirt/damage
[13:04:08] <joe9> i agree.
[13:04:34] <joe9> at the quill, runout is 0.002 inches and I see a little flop in the bearings.
[13:04:34] <mazafaka> our hard-load drill press has a huge radial and even more worse vertical runout. This vertical runout makes me to make back surface of the drill bits almost horizontal - i.e. makes me make back angle about 1-3 degrees, never more.
[13:05:04] <joe9> at the end of the arbor, the runout remains the same as that at the quill, prompting me to think that it is the bearings.
[13:05:25] <joe9> i am about to get new bearings, nothing wrong in trying them. if that does not help, the dp is out.
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[14:30:01] <mazafaka> What id these bearings are adjustable with the use of screw nut on the spindle, which moves the inner ring of the bearing a little.
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[14:43:34] <tehDarkAura> http://www.ebay.com/itm/290610314227 hey is this a good board to get ??
[14:43:34] <tehDarkAura> all i neet to do is drive 5 nema 23 or 17 steppers
[14:45:39] <tehDarkAura> the 3.5 amp rating i assume is per motor...
[14:46:29] <tehDarkAura> looks like it has a fairly nice heat sink :)
[14:47:22] <jdhnc> It's still a chinese TB6560
[14:47:33] <jdhnc> I have a 3-axis one that works fine for what it is and the price.
[14:48:20] <tehDarkAura> okay cool -- i think ill give it a go :) those mesa and other FPGA boards are a little intimidating ;)
[14:48:33] <jdhnc> not really the same thing
[14:49:00] <tehDarkAura> yeah using a par-port instead of the fpga just seems easier
[14:50:14] <jdhnc> they are motion control cards, not stepper drivers.
[14:51:07] <tehDarkAura> i see
[14:51:36] <jdhnc> you could use a pport-> mesanet 7i43 FPGA-> cheap chinese tb6560
[14:51:52] <tehDarkAura> ohhh i see
[14:52:36] <tehDarkAura> cant use Par-port -> Cheap chinese tb6560?
[14:53:18] <jdhnc> sure
[14:53:37] <jdhnc> if you are going to use a cheap chinese tb6560, it would be silly to use anything but a pport :)
[14:53:38] <tehDarkAura> ahh okay cool ;) thought i was really misunderstanding something ;)
[14:53:46] <tehDarkAura> okay cool :D
[14:54:40] <jdhnc> I did not like the performance of my not-so-great steppers and my tb6560 and not knowing any better, got a xylotex w/ motors
[14:54:58] <jdhnc> which is also fine, for what it is, but not what I would get now.
[14:57:53] <tehDarkAura> ahhh i see
[14:59:50] <tehDarkAura> Im just trying to do this on the cheap and have a slow pcb router in the end -- going to have the steppers attached to 1/2 10 TPI acme rods to controll the axis -- shouldnt require very much torch
[15:13:40] <jdhnc> I would like something like that also. Mine still has too much lash to be good for normal PCB's
[15:15:35] <tehDarkAura> ahhh backlash -- yeah im not far enough along to know much about that yet
[15:16:04] <tehDarkAura> does micro stepping help that at all?
[15:16:26] <tehDarkAura> less accuracy from what i've read though
[15:16:38] <jdhnc> no, mine comes from the acme nuts/screw
[15:16:49] <tehDarkAura> ohhh
[15:17:46] <MattyMatt2> those chinese boards need some mods to work well
[15:18:24] <tehDarkAura> easy stuff to do ? extra caps etc?
[15:18:35] <jdhnc> other than making sure the heat sink works?
[15:19:32] <MattyMatt2> my 2nd one has the quiet freq caps already, but you need to bypass the optos on step & dir or the max stepping rate is terrible
[15:19:53] <tehDarkAura> ohhh i see
[15:20:03] <tehDarkAura> good info thanks MattyMatt2 :)
[15:20:04] <jdhnc> oh, that. Mine wasn't whiney
[15:20:25] <MattyMatt2> the optos are near useless anyway, as the ground is common
[15:20:47] <MattyMatt2> and there's a buffer chip before the optos
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[15:21:16] <tehDarkAura> ahh
[15:21:45] <MattyMatt2> so all the optos are doing is protecting one chip from the other, which share a psu :p all utterly pointless
[15:23:06] <MattyMatt2> only bypass the step and dir lines tho, the enable ones are wired differently
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[15:23:31] <tehDarkAura> ahh cool -- added to the notebook -- :)
[15:23:32] <MattyMatt2> you'll need to look at a schematic for that, or the pics in the cnczone thread
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[15:24:11] <MattyMatt2> beware that thread, it's massive and the first few mods involving extra chips are a distraction
[15:24:26] <MattyMatt2> but there's good advice on other things
[15:24:52] <MattyMatt2> chinese?
[15:25:00] <MattyMatt2> wrong bot :)
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[15:28:01] <tehDarkAura> ;)
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[16:08:31] <danimal_laptop> hi
[16:08:42] <ssi> hey danimal
[16:08:55] <danimal_laptop> hey
[16:09:04] <danimal_laptop> get your lathe yet?
[16:09:06] <danimal_laptop> lol
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[16:12:06] <iwoj> hey gang. AXIS is causing my installation of EMC Linux to freeze the whole machine.
[16:12:15] <iwoj> any ideas what could be causing this?
[16:15:07] <ssi> danimal_laptop: I'm having an existential crisis, thank you very much
[16:16:02] <danimal_laptop> what happened ssi?
[16:19:24] <ssi> I can't decide if I want to embark on this nightmare journey to try to get this lathe, or wait for something different
[16:22:20] <jdhnc> where is it?
[16:22:26] <ssi> CT
[16:22:38] <jdhnc> I've heard of that place.
[16:22:40] <ssi> I'm in atlanta
[16:22:43] <jdhnc> "up north"
[16:22:48] <ssi> it'd be 40hr of driving
[16:23:01] <ssi> plus the guy doesn't have facilities to load the thing
[16:23:06] <ssi> so we'd be rolling it on pipes and plywood heh
[16:23:11] <iwoj> What do you need the lathe for?
[16:23:19] <ssi> what does anyone "need" anything for?! :D
[16:23:22] <iwoj> (Sounds like fun.)
[16:23:22] <jdhnc> to make round things
[16:23:46] <iwoj> long round things?
[16:23:54] <ssi> no, short round things only on this machine
[16:23:55] <ssi> heh
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[16:24:56] <iwoj> Has anyone had any problems with EMC2 freezing on them?
[16:25:09] <ssi> danimal_laptop: I asked about whether the machine had the cutoff slide installed, and got a response back that no, it doesn't
[16:25:26] <ssi> and for some reason that tripped a switch in my brain that's making me not want to expend the effort to fetch it
[16:25:29] <ssi> heh
[16:25:45] <danimal_laptop> i have a cutoff slide, never used it
[16:25:48] <danimal_laptop> took it off
[16:26:01] <danimal_laptop> ssi it's easy as hell to move
[16:26:08] <danimal_laptop> dont let that stop you
[16:26:17] <danimal_laptop> it is a long trip though
[16:26:39] <danimal_laptop> ssi i unloaded mine out of the penske truck by myself
[16:26:50] <danimal_laptop> using the lift gate
[16:26:54] <ssi> go go moral support! :D
[16:27:04] <ssi> I guess i need to see what my boss says about taking friday off
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[16:27:26] <jdhnc> 40 hours of driving would suck.
[16:27:26] <danimal_laptop> what's 40 hours when you're building a cool cnc lathe
[16:27:28] <skunkworks> danimal_laptop: http://youtu.be/U61ub6mtpH4
[16:28:03] <ssi> then I got to looking at superslants... and they look WAY cooler
[16:28:14] <ssi> and I found old posts on the list about a guy that had one for sale two years ago
[16:28:15] <jdhnc> paying for $40 hours worth of gas?
[16:28:22] <ssi> and I called him, and he's already scrapped it
[16:28:28] <danimal_laptop> atlanta isnt that far
[16:28:41] <ssi> but he convinced me that a superslant would actually be a terrible idea
[16:29:05] <ssi> I'm not worried about the fuel cost; more the drive
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[16:29:07] <danimal_laptop> i grew up in CT and i drove down to your area
[16:29:22] <ssi> I wish I had an airplane big enough to hold the damn lathe :D
[16:29:24] <danimal_laptop> nice skunkworks, i need to set up a probe
[16:29:49] <danimal_laptop> ssi, it's 1 day of driving each way
[16:30:06] <ssi> it's almost 20 hours! that's a hell of a day
[16:30:16] <danimal_laptop> if you drive like a little old lady
[16:30:19] <danimal_laptop> lol
[16:30:22] <ssi> our plan is to leave atlanta at around 4pm thursday
[16:30:26] <ssi> try to get to the VA border
[16:30:36] <ssi> then have all day friday to get to hartfordh
[16:30:51] <ssi> load saturday morning, get as far south saturday night as possible, and then home on sunday
[16:31:02] <jdhnc> heh... atlanta at 4 on a friday, should be out of town by 8pm
[16:31:10] <danimal_laptop> lol
[16:31:12] <ssi> nah it'll be fine
[16:31:27] <danimal_laptop> same with the 95 in CT... good luck
[16:31:28] <ssi> I know atlanta traffic, it's NYC I'm worried about :D
[16:31:57] <danimal_laptop> the 95 sucks no matter what up north
[16:32:06] <ssi> danimal_laptop: where are you now?
[16:32:21] <danimal_laptop> and they say socal traffic sucks.... it's way better here than back east
[16:32:25] <danimal_laptop> san diego, ca
[16:32:26] <tehDarkAura> I hate driving in NYC :/
[16:34:28] <iwoj> Does anyone have any thoughts on what could be causing the EMC freezing?
[16:35:03] <iwoj> It only happens when I launch AXIS or tkEMC
[16:35:03] <danimal_laptop> iwoj: are you using a mesa card or par part?
[16:35:40] <iwoj> danimal_laptop: parallel port
[16:35:55] <danimal_laptop> ah
[16:36:06] <danimal_laptop> i wont be of much help then
[16:36:41] <jdhnc> you could helpfully suggest he invest in mesa cards.
[16:37:10] <danimal_laptop> lol
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[16:37:29] <danimal_laptop> i was going to say reseat the card in the slot, that happened to me once
[16:37:30] <iwoj> are mesa cards less of a hassle?
[16:37:49] <iwoj> the strange thing is that stepconf works just fine
[16:37:56] <iwoj> i can control the cnc machine from there
[16:38:02] <iwoj> but not from axis or txemc
[16:38:07] <danimal_laptop> odd
[16:38:12] <danimal_laptop> well i gotta run, adios
[16:38:14] <iwoj> i know, right?
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[16:44:29] <mrsun> gah stupid incscape has put alot of strange vectors in place :(
[16:44:38] <mrsun> so dots have 3 vectors and f-engrave does not like it :P
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[16:44:44] <pcw_home> We've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses.
[16:44:46] <pcw_home> - Hit it.
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[16:54:21] <mrsun> hard fockers to spot also
[16:54:42] <mrsun> they look just fine, then there can be a coord right on the 0, 0 mark local to the vector
[16:55:04] <mrsun> or it can be a thingie that is bound somehow, so when i try and move it it jumps away then i can just move it in one direction, if i delete that then it works .. like wtf =)
[16:56:18] * skunkworks really needs to get the tool table setup with lengths.... I could use the probe as the reference tool.
[16:56:28] <skunkworks> *he
[16:58:06] <mrsun> lucky this is not a job for a customer :P
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[17:07:11] <syyl> mh
[17:07:14] <syyl> made a mistake
[17:07:28] <syyl> touched of a few parts of my lathe with spotting blue...
[17:07:37] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0099.jpg
[17:07:46] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0092.jpg
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[17:07:49] <syyl> not to good ;)
[17:08:03] <syyl> headstock is the best
[17:08:04] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0102.jpg
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[17:15:17] <MrSunshine> syyl, perfect contact! =)
[17:15:34] <syyl> almost :D
[17:15:53] <syyl> i did the only thing, that made sense..
[17:16:38] <MrSunshine> one should never had gotten a surface plate and spotting blue
[17:16:49] <MrSunshine> EVERYTHING is crooked from the day you get it
[17:16:49] <syyl> thats the case with the chinese ;)
[17:16:51] <MrSunshine> no matter what
[17:17:00] <MrSunshine> not a single thing is made to "specs" :P
[17:17:26] <syyl> now i do this..
[17:17:26] <syyl> .http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0103.jpg
[17:17:31] <syyl> rip it apart :D
[17:18:18] <MrSunshine> nice leadscrew covers =)
[17:18:30] <syyl> they work pretty good :)
[17:18:31] <syyl> ah
[17:18:33] <syyl> also funny
[17:18:34] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0100.jpg
[17:18:40] <syyl> ground topslide...
[17:18:52] <MrSunshine> syyl, thats about how my mill base looked when i spotted it
[17:19:00] <syyl> hehe
[17:19:02] <MrSunshine> or it was even worse
[17:19:11] <MrSunshine> one of the slides only had just one little part of a corner touching
[17:19:20] <syyl> you know what?
[17:19:27] <MrSunshine> now its fixed? :P
[17:19:29] <syyl> i worked four years with that lathe :D
[17:19:43] <syyl> made good parts...
[17:20:00] <syyl> but its time to fix it :D
[17:20:04] <MrSunshine> syyl, i guess if its manual you can stand a bit of stuff rubbing etc giving some resistance to move
[17:20:14] <MrSunshine> but when you throw steppers at it i dont realy want stuff to bind =)
[17:20:22] <syyl> hehe
[17:20:28] <syyl> it will stay manual
[17:20:36] <syyl> but some parts are just
[17:20:44] <syyl> *uargs* when you touch em
[17:21:17] <MrSunshine> atm im fighting inkscape
[17:21:20] <MrSunshine> stupid program
[17:21:27] <MrSunshine> i need some other vector graphics program i think ...
[17:21:51] <MrSunshine> stupid vectors are pointing all over the place, looking fine until you feed it to a v carving program
[17:21:54] <MrSunshine> stupid thing :/
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[17:43:53] <anonimas1> I hate fanuc.
[17:44:06] <anonimas1> they must be the shittiest controls ever made.
[17:49:00] <pcw_home> I thought they were the reference standard by which all others were judged...
[17:51:42] <jdhnc> much like windows is?
[17:53:00] <pcw_home> exactly! We should all work on BillGs farm
[17:53:58] <syyl> windows should be reference for anything ;)
[17:54:11] <syyl> "oh my car has a bluescreen"
[17:54:16] <tehDarkAura> haha
[17:54:25] <tehDarkAura> i like windows :P
[17:54:25] <syyl> ah
[17:54:32] <syyl> it even has windows ;)
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[18:09:38] <anonimas1> elmo40: limited
[18:09:52] <anonimas1> elmo40: i got a design change for 3mm holes instead of 2mm it should be way easier.
[18:12:28] <anonimas1> pcw_home: well, that dosent make them user friendly or remotely good
[18:12:54] <anonimas1> pcw_home: i have a old lathe with a fanuc10-tf i got it working.. but lost battery = hell
[18:13:26] <anonimas1> i guess the control is decent in 198x something..
[18:13:39] <anonimas1> but everything requires alot of button presses..
[18:14:44] <anonimas1> and you have to turn a key in the cabinet to be able to get jogging in two directions working.. -_-
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[18:18:19] <IchGuckLive> hi all around this wonderful blue planet
[18:20:01] <ssi> bah nothing's ever simple
[18:20:13] <ssi> my boss may want me to be in NYC thursday afternoon
[18:20:33] <jdhnc> while you are there...
[18:20:42] <jdhnc> can you pick up a lathe for me?
[18:20:52] <ssi> mebbe!
[18:21:08] <pcw_home> anonimas1: well its obvious you should upgrade to a 22I
[18:22:37] <ssi> syyl: can you tell me about those screw covers on your Z screw?
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[18:24:56] <IchGuckLive> vladimirek: still cold in slowakia ?
[18:27:26] <skunkworks> gah - I guess the only way you can rigid tap on cheaper commercial machines is by putting a servo on the spindle.
[18:27:57] <ssi> why's that?
[18:27:59] <anonimas1> 22i?
[18:28:31] <anonimas1> it costs like 17 times then the iron :)
[18:28:33] <IchGuckLive> skunkworks: how cheep how tal
[18:28:40] <anonimas1> and the current control
[18:29:42] <IchGuckLive> anonimas1: good stuff is pricy
[18:29:50] <skunkworks> anonimas1: You should find some software that you can convert it to computer control.... ;)
[18:30:05] <anonimas1> haha, find me the time and I know just the software
[18:30:06] <anonimas1> ;)
[18:30:35] <skunkworks> you need to find a few minions...
[18:30:54] <anonimas1> got a few hundred parts to make and four five shafts, and some other stuff...
[18:31:25] <anonimas1> and some more automation projects in the works..
[18:31:33] <anonimas1> so much for machining as hobby :)
[18:31:53] <IchGuckLive> anonimas1: ask a chinese to do the job
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[18:32:11] <anonimas1> -_-
[18:32:17] <anonimas1> it wouldnt be my hobby then would it
[18:32:19] <IchGuckLive> O.O
[18:32:40] <IchGuckLive> Steel parts or brass
[18:32:52] <anonimas1> steel
[18:33:15] <IchGuckLive> brighport or heavy duty
[18:33:53] <anonimas1> heavier
[18:34:05] <anonimas1> the shafts are some 450mpa steel
[18:34:12] <IchGuckLive> so take your time and do it your own
[18:34:24] <anonimas1> 80mm dia and 700mm long
[18:34:37] <anonimas1> yes, but converting my machines meanwhile keeping up with other stuff dosent owrk
[18:34:40] <anonimas1> work.
[18:35:04] <IchGuckLive> thats whar we all fighting agaiunst
[18:37:19] <anonimas1> hobby gone bad..
[18:38:52] <ssi> all hobbies are bad
[18:38:59] <ssi> they're giant ass money and time pitv
[18:39:01] <ssi> pits
[18:42:56] <A2Sheds> PCW: are the new PCIe cards out yet?
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[18:47:25] <PCW> protos soon: freeby.mesanet.com/6i25mech.pdf is first, then some cabled PCIE ones
[18:48:59] <A2Sheds> PCW: deciding on boards for 3 axis flatbed printers
[18:50:00] <A2Sheds> 3 servos, 3 encoders and some GPIO
[18:50:56] <ssi> oo shiny
[18:51:13] <IchGuckLive> 3 most need 4
[18:51:21] <IchGuckLive> C-axis or B
[18:51:59] <A2Sheds> just 3 here
[18:52:32] <A2Sheds> IchGuckLive, whats the 4th motor for?
[18:56:16] <IchGuckLive> C-axis or B
[18:56:48] <A2Sheds> IchGuckLive, what does that axis do?
[18:57:04] <A2Sheds> what does it move?
[18:57:37] <IchGuckLive> a table around the X axis to go 3.5D
[18:58:16] <A2Sheds> wierd
[18:58:44] <IchGuckLive> oh A not B C
[18:59:00] <IchGuckLive> A around X Baround Y C around Z
[18:59:38] <A2Sheds> have a pic or a link to a printer of that type?
[19:00:00] <A2Sheds> maybe it's still too early here
[19:00:02] <IchGuckLive> oh arend we talking on mills sorry
[19:01:13] <A2Sheds> heh, i was trying to picture what the hell kind of printer that would be :)
[19:01:27] <ssi> you and me both!
[19:03:11] <IchGuckLive> makerbot 4D
[19:04:45] <A2Sheds> http://code.google.com/p/lemoncurry/wiki/main photopolymers are done
[19:05:32] <A2Sheds> just using an atmega and a stepper driver for the z-axis
[19:05:33] <IchGuckLive> lemoncurry that sunds spicy
[19:06:59] <IchGuckLive> im off for today have a nice working day today or tomorrow where ever you are on this nice planet
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[19:08:11] <ssi> A2Sheds: wow that's nice
[19:08:16] <A2Sheds> PCW: I was thinking about adding a Xilinx FPGA to an eoma68 card making them compatible with the daughter IO cards
[19:08:33] <A2Sheds> ssi: thanks
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[19:08:45] <ssi> I want to HAVE THAT
[19:08:47] <ssi> please :)
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[19:08:59] <A2Sheds> kits are almost done
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[19:09:08] <ssi> what's it likely to cost?
[19:09:42] <A2Sheds> they start under $1K and include everything
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[19:21:22] <ssi> that'll be fun
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[19:22:33] <A2Sheds> you can order resin to play with
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[19:39:32] <tom3p> A2Sheds, very bleeding edge, and BucktownPolymers as in 'bucktown'! i forgot you were Chicago based :)
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[19:44:16] <A2Sheds> yeah Bucktown/Wicker Park
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[19:46:19] <tom3p> :) UrbisOrbis for coffee
[19:48:54] <A2Sheds> I miss the old Filter
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[19:57:56] <tom3p> fwiw the halgui tools now handle side swapping of pins http://edmsolutionsservice.com/pix/halguiHandlePinSideSwap.ogv
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[20:52:03] <iwoj> Has anyone here experiences their EMC2 apps freezing their machine?
[20:52:17] <jdhnc> NO
[20:52:34] <skunkworks> only when I do something wrong..
[20:52:41] <skunkworks> have you tried the sim configs?
[20:52:44] <jdhnc> unless you count trying to run emc via X over an ssh tunnel.
[20:52:46] <iwoj> When I launch AXIS or tkEMC, it will run for a while and then Linux freezes...
[20:53:02] <jdhnc> dead dead? nothing in the logs?
[20:53:02] <iwoj> sim configs?
[20:53:05] <skunkworks> have you run the memory check on the system?
[20:53:23] <skunkworks> So - it runs for a bit?
[20:53:30] <iwoj> The system runs fine in stepconf
[20:53:38] <iwoj> and the OS itself is stable.
[20:53:58] <skunkworks> That almost sounds like a hardware issue.. (overheating / memory issue or such)
[20:54:09] <iwoj> but when i run the configs generated by stepconf in AXIS, it freezes.
[20:54:09] <archivist> what was the latency test like
[20:54:19] <jdhnc> GL problem?
[20:54:20] <iwoj> around 20000
[20:54:30] <iwoj> GL draws.
[20:54:40] <iwoj> I've got an NVidia Gforce card.
[20:55:05] <skunkworks> Did you install the closed source video driver?
[20:55:14] <iwoj> yes
[20:55:42] <skunkworks> That could be your problem also. You should stick with the opensource NV or vesa
[20:56:42] <iwoj> I'll double-check. But strange that it should fail only when running the EMC2 software.
[20:57:07] <iwoj> I was wondering if it might be a RT kernel timing issue.
[20:57:13] <skunkworks> This has some good info too.. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TroubleShooting
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[20:58:38] <iwoj> awesome. thanks.
[20:58:44] <skunkworks> in the sample configs - there are simulated machine configs. try one of those..
[20:58:50] <skunkworks> sims
[21:03:20] <iwoj> thanks man
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[21:31:42] <ssi> anyone have any experience running encoders with steppers?
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[21:36:48] <pjm> ssi http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Steppers_With_Encoders
[21:38:30] <ssi> hrm
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[21:54:33] <syyl_ws> (i run steppers with glas scales
[21:54:36] <syyl_ws> does that count?
[21:54:59] <JT-Shop> I have a stepper that spins an encoder... for fun
[21:55:15] <ssi> haha
[21:55:33] <ssi> I have a couple of encoders, was thinking about putting them on the back shafts of my lathe motors to try to improve my homing
[21:55:53] <ssi> I realize that they won't help the positional error caused by slop in the screws or couplings
[21:56:04] <syyl_ws> right
[21:56:07] <syyl_ws> to compensate that
[21:56:11] <syyl_ws> you will need glas scales
[21:56:23] <ssi> yeah scales would be a nice option
[21:56:27] <syyl_ws> or some kind of other linear/direct encoders...
[21:56:52] <ssi> syyl_ws: what was that machine you were posting pictures of spotting on earlier?
[21:56:56] <ssi> looked like a g0602
[21:57:17] <syyl_ws> naa
[21:57:24] <syyl_ws> only my mill is cnc
[21:57:47] <ssi> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0103.jpg
[21:57:48] <ssi> that
[21:58:08] <syyl_ws> no, thats my lathe...
[21:58:13] <syyl_ws> or whats left of it ;)
[21:58:22] <ssi> yeah... it's very similar to my g0602
[21:58:25] <ssi> almost exactly the same castings
[21:58:30] <syyl_ws> :)
[21:58:39] <ssi> where'd those screw covers come from?
[21:58:44] <syyl_ws> now its only a big pile of chinese castings and a lot of work...
[21:58:52] <syyl_ws> they were stock...
[21:58:56] <ssi> really
[21:58:59] <syyl_ws> i am pretty happy about them
[21:59:01] <syyl_ws> yes
[21:59:01] <ssi> who made that machine?
[21:59:09] <syyl_ws> its a HBM 250x550
[21:59:24] <syyl_ws> thats the importeur
[21:59:24] <syyl_ws> http://www.buitelaar.nl/
[21:59:44] <syyl_ws> strange language...
[22:00:23] <ssi> http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-x-22-Bench-Top-Metal-Lathe/G0602
[22:00:51] <syyl_ws> looks absoulte similar
[22:01:01] <syyl_ws> except the springcovers :D
[22:01:01] <ssi> yeah it's the same castings I'm pretty sure
[22:01:08] <ssi> I wonder if I could get those covers
[22:01:17] <syyl_ws> all the same chinese fun...
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[22:06:25] <mikegg> shit guys, I just got a sweet job offer today. and then I found out they do hair follicle drug testing. which goes back 90 days.
[22:06:51] <jdhnc> shave your head
[22:06:58] <mikegg> I think DARE needs a new slogan: "careers: to keep thirty-somethings from recreational drug use"
[22:07:13] <mikegg> I think that's the plan
[22:07:30] <mikegg> but then they look elsewhere, which will need to be shaved too
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[22:07:46] <jdhnc> I'm subject to random drug testing
[22:07:47] <cradek> if a place does shit like that, it's probably not really going to be a sweet job
[22:08:21] <mikegg> well, it's just pre-employment, not continual.
[22:08:26] <|n0b0dy|> mike bleach and dye, bleach and dye
[22:08:34] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[22:09:06] <mikegg> wow, you guys are awesome, I thought everyone was going to tell me i'm a fool
[22:09:25] <jdhnc> for doing drugs?
[22:09:28] <cradek> well you might be a fool too
[22:09:38] <mikegg> hah
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[22:10:10] <|n0b0dy|> this is probably the remove warning labels and let life sort things out...
[22:10:11] <ssi> what kind of job
[22:10:13] <cradek> doing certain drugs while looking for work in an industry that tends to test for them is foolish, but you probably already know that
[22:10:45] <cradek> but if the test is atypical, then probably taking a pass on the job is smart, if possible
[22:11:03] <mikegg> mechanical engineering with big oil in houston
[22:11:55] <cradek> I had one when starting work for a pharma company (many years ago) but you expect it there
[22:12:31] <mikegg> yeah, I would expect it for like a rig job given the current climate, but this is a desk job
[22:12:40] <cradek> yuck
[22:12:48] <|n0b0dy|> insurance...
[22:13:10] <cradek> no, authoritarianism
[22:13:16] <mikegg> yeah yeah, there is some field work involved
[22:13:29] <|n0b0dy|> insurance companies offer cheaper rates if you drug test...
[22:13:37] <tehDarkAura> eww -- hair folicle testing
[22:13:40] <mikegg> really?
[22:13:45] <tehDarkAura> i just had to pee in a cup once
[22:13:49] <mikegg> for what, like car insurance?
[22:13:50] <tehDarkAura> :P
[22:14:02] <cradek> I'd say that kind of thing too, if I wanted to drug test my employees
[22:14:04] <mikegg> I'd be thrilled to pee in a cup
[22:14:06] <jdhnc> I had to pee in a cup, with some guy watching me to make sure it was me.
[22:14:09] <|n0b0dy|> workers comp... health insurance... disaster insurance...
[22:14:28] <|n0b0dy|> think about a bunch of crackheads running a chemical plant...
[22:14:34] <mikegg> they can look at my tallywhacker all they want
[22:14:45] <tehDarkAura> hahaha
[22:15:20] <tehDarkAura> i've never had someone watch me pee
[22:15:42] <Connor> Are they looking for ALL drugs or just hard core stuff?
[22:15:48] <tehDarkAura> i was even on probation for a while when younger :P they just sent me to a room
[22:16:16] <tehDarkAura> if you dont have a script for it your not gonna get the job in my experience
[22:17:14] <mikegg> i'm leaning towards the hairless option. they can give me a pee test, or hair when it grows back
[22:17:33] <tehDarkAura> they might look otherplaces for hair if you go there saved ;)
[22:17:47] <tehDarkAura> no way your getting every hair off your back -- etc
[22:17:52] <tehDarkAura> *shaved
[22:17:53] <mikegg> that's a valid personal hygiene preference, right?
[22:17:53] <cradek> you could shave everything, but isn't that a bit ... obvious?
[22:18:05] <tehDarkAura> yeah i think thats a bit obvious
[22:18:07] <Connor> Swimmer.
[22:18:19] <mikegg> i'm not a real hairy fella
[22:18:20] <tehDarkAura> they can tell by your lack of tanning in the shaved area you just did it
[22:19:06] <mikegg> but then what? "we noticed your head is peeling, wtf mate?"
[22:19:15] <tehDarkAura> hahha
[22:19:41] <jdhnc> "must be a false positive, check again next month"
[22:19:52] <tehDarkAura> its not like they are gonna look mat your bald head and decide to let you off the test ;) i bet they have plans for situations like that
[22:19:53] <mikegg> the company outsources to Hire Right
[22:20:11] <mikegg> sure sure, so do I :)
[22:20:46] <tehDarkAura> you dont have a headshop nearby?
[22:21:04] <tehDarkAura> id say get something from there and die you hair on top of that
[22:21:14] <tehDarkAura> cover your bases without looking too suspect
[22:21:19] <mikegg> yeah, not sure i'm willing to trust those folks
[22:21:40] <mikegg> $24.99 and a 100% money back guarantee
[22:21:49] <tehDarkAura> check the reviews online after you find what brands they have available
[22:22:09] <tehDarkAura> take your phone with you and check while there ;)
[22:22:14] <jdhnc> http://www.passhairdrugtest.com/
[22:22:25] <mikegg> they are all pretty much strong bases I think
[22:22:27] <tehDarkAura> i would check at norml
[22:22:32] <mikegg> I bought some draino
[22:22:50] <tehDarkAura> there you tend to get more real results instead of paid ads
[22:23:34] <tehDarkAura> but i bet thats mostly for thc -- depends what your vice is too i would guess
[22:24:08] <mikegg> *gasp THC i'm not worried about
[22:24:22] <jdhnc> shooting up heroin again?
[22:24:35] <mikegg> only on weekends!
[22:24:41] <tehDarkAura> ;)
[22:25:31] <tehDarkAura> i dont think coke shows up very good in any tests
[22:25:53] <jdhnc> people still do coke?
[22:26:17] <tehDarkAura> yeah i know -- xtc is way better right?
[22:26:21] <tehDarkAura> ;)
[22:27:13] <mikegg> I went out and got a John Q Doe hair test today on my own
[22:27:15] <tehDarkAura> crack is like coke -- only have a few days (if that) to test positive
[22:27:31] <tehDarkAura> not sure about the injectables
[22:27:43] <mikegg> 3-5 days and $120 to see where I stand
[22:28:25] <|n0b0dy|> yea thats urine... i think coke is stronger in the hair
[22:28:57] <tehDarkAura> i know acid is hard to find in UA but super easy to find in hair -- you might be right
[22:30:12] <|n0b0dy|> to beat the hair you gotta open up the cells, and get something in there that transforms the metabolites to their stage in their chemical life cycle...
[22:31:31] <tehDarkAura> if its a perscibable drug -- or has something similar that is -- you should just go to a pain doctor and get a script
[22:31:46] <mikegg> I can handle that...
[22:31:51] <tehDarkAura> then your legally covered and dont have to worry about it
[22:32:07] <mikegg> it's the non-prescribables...
[22:32:13] <tehDarkAura> thats what i did ;) got a marinol perscription ;)
[22:32:36] <tehDarkAura> ahhh
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[22:33:08] <mikegg> I bought a whole bunch of methanol - ready to bite the bullet
[22:34:02] <mikegg> but then i read a study that said methanol INCREASED metabolite detection as a result of increased digestion when they analyze the hair. or some such nonesense
[22:34:51] <mikegg> If I have time, I will try the bleach dye, and maybe mix in some Lye for good measure
[22:35:02] <mikegg> then test again to see if I'm below the limits
[22:35:22] <tehDarkAura> wow they have home hair test kits?
[22:35:27] <mikegg> here's the kicker - family reunion this weekend for Gramma's 90th
[22:35:42] <tehDarkAura> ;) happy b-day granny!
[22:35:46] <mikegg> heh
[22:36:22] <mikegg> not looking forward to explaining to the fam what's wrong with my hair
[22:36:44] <mikegg> argh
[22:36:50] <tehDarkAura> lol -- tell themm your really into eminem now ;)
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[23:48:37] <mikegg> well thanks for your support, fellas. Me and Johnny walker will let you know how it turns out..
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[23:49:24] <Tom_itx> he's pretty good at making things look a whole lot better
[23:49:58] <alex4nder> just don't hang out with him with an active spindle on a new program.
[23:51:01] <FinboySlick> Hehehe, for some reason this talk reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1V8HFfpTE (Though it's vodka)
[23:51:22] <FinboySlick> the chainsaw bit specifically.
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