#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-01-26

[00:00:10] <andypugh> You can possibly test that by helping it by hand to see if it goes further.
[00:00:41] <pfred1> andypugh I honestly do not think that is the problem because i had it set too fast saw what it did then and backed off considerably from that setting oh yeah and you're not stopping it with your hand either
[00:01:06] <pfred1> or helping it for that matter
[00:01:21] <andypugh> Adjust the scale until you get the right answer, then see what that answer is...
[00:01:53] <pfred1> you mean adjust the scale until 1 moves it one inch?
[00:02:03] <andypugh> My guess would be 17167.381974248927039
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[00:02:23] <pfred1> so I just guess?
[00:03:00] <andypugh> Pretty much, as an experiment. Try 16000
[00:03:08] <pfred1> OK
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[00:11:23] <andypugh> This is confusing me. "emc" launches 2.4.7, linucnc launces 2.5.0-pre
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[00:27:39] <pfred1> 32800 is the magic scale number
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[00:28:48] <pfred1> do I have like a setting set incorrectly or something? like maybe my steps per revolution or something?
[00:28:51] <JT-Shop> what is linucnc?
[00:29:04] <pfred1> I could swear I'm in half stepping mode with a 200 steps per rev motor
[00:29:22] <JT-Shop> the scale number is the only one that matters
[00:30:07] <pfred1> well I could fiddle with it some more but I got it really close to 1 inch with 32800
[00:30:19] <pfred1> like .998 or something
[00:32:15] <pfred1> I mean it is a wood router
[00:33:30] <pfred1> andypugh is 2.4.7 worth upgrading to?
[00:33:40] * pfred1 has 2.4.5
[00:34:20] <andypugh> It's an easy upgrade, I see no reason not to.
[00:34:40] <pfred1> andypugh well, I do have to build the rest of my machine
[00:34:54] <pfred1> I only have the Z axis done
[00:35:58] <pfred1> well, it isn't 100% done even I'm holding the motor bracket on with clamps
[00:36:48] <pfred1> I wanted to make sure it was in a godo spot before i drilled holes and fixed it permanently
[00:36:54] <andypugh> It sounds like you might be on 16x microstepping. And if you have a 2.5mm pitch screw rather than 10tpi then your magic number ought to be 32512.
[00:37:43] <pfred1> hmmm 16X microstepping? that means if I get into a lower mode maybe I can go much faster?
[00:37:48] <andypugh> (32512/32800)=.9912, so that's in the region too.
[00:37:55] <andypugh> Yes.
[00:38:01] <pfred1> I could swear I have the dip switches right but I'll have to flip them
[00:38:21] <pfred1> maybe my logic is reversed to how i think they are?
[00:38:21] <andypugh> Perhaps you have on and off confused, or are reading from the wrong end..
[00:38:32] <pfred1> yup something like that might be going on
[00:38:49] <pfred1> I have 2 switches that set the mode
[00:38:53] <pfred1> they're binary
[00:38:58] <andypugh> Is it a ballscrew?
[00:39:03] <pfred1> ha ha
[00:39:05] <pfred1> no acme
[00:39:23] <andypugh> OK, even then 2.5mm rather than 10tpi is pretty likely.
[00:39:28] <pfred1> next machine i build I'll go with the balls
[00:40:25] <pfred1> yeah when I counted the threads I counted 11 lands in an inch
[00:40:35] <pfred1> maybe I'm just not counting them right?
[00:41:00] <pfred1> I could have sworn I could count to ten but with this CNC stuff I'm questioning everything anymore
[00:41:40] <andypugh> You won't be able to tell 2.5mm from 10tpi with a ruler.
[00:42:01] <pfred1> I have to say the motor is running really smoothly for half stepping mode it could be 16 microstepping on me
[00:43:04] <andypugh> Night all
[00:43:07] <pfred1> nite
[00:43:10] <pfred1> thanks
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[00:59:08] <pfred1> Now I have to fiddle with the step mode switches on my driver or I'll never get to sleep tonight
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[01:04:31] * Jymmm hands pfred1 a glass of warm milk.
[01:04:45] <Jymmm> and by warm milk, I mean tequila!
[01:07:30] <pfred1> wholly driver IS smoke Batman!
[01:07:36] <pfred1> driver IC even
[01:08:43] <pfred1> I didn't know what I was going to do with the extras I bought anyways
[01:09:01] <PCW> Wrong switch?
[01:09:24] <pfred1> PCW I could swear I've changed modes when it was powered up before
[01:09:44] <pfred1> we won't be doing that again any time too soon though!
[01:09:57] <PCW> Well now you have more reason to swear...
[01:10:19] <Jymmm> pfred1: FWIW, I smoke to Mariss on the phone a ways back and he said that the #1 way to kill a drive is to disconnect it from the motor.
[01:10:21] <pfred1> I bought extras still a pain to put a new one in
[01:10:26] <Jymmm> s/smoke/spoke/
[01:10:45] <pfred1> Jymmm I just tried changing the step mode switches on my drive
[01:10:52] <pfred1> thing blew up!
[01:11:29] <Jymmm> pfred1: Yeah, they no like to be "disconnected" when powered.
[01:12:33] <Jymmm> pfred1: Mariss said even his "Vampire" drives wouldn't survive that kind of thing.
[01:14:12] <pfred1> Jymmm no the step mode siwtches
[01:14:16] <pfred1> not the motor
[01:14:57] <Jymmm> I found a 220 to 110 @ 700 Va (iirc) torroid the other day for $25. Even if I used 120VAC on the primary, I'd still get 60+ on the scondary wouldn't I? Not to mention the rectification to DC jumping it even higher I believe.
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[01:15:18] <Jymmm> pfred1: Right, but that does change the interaction of the coils in the motors doens't it?
[01:15:36] <Jymmm> BEMF and all that.
[01:16:02] <Jymmm> I need around 50V
[01:17:02] <Jymmm> But, if I got brave... would reducing the number of turn on the secondary drop the voltage a bit?
[01:17:28] <Jymmm> I think VA rating is based on the wire gauge, not the number of turns.
[01:22:12] <pfred1> VA stands for Volt Amps doesn't it?
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[01:23:28] <pfred1> OK bad IC out now to clean the board and drop a new one in
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[01:42:51] <Jymmm> pfred1: Correct. It's the Wattage before/after the PF has been taken into consideration iirc.
[01:43:36] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volt-ampere
[01:43:59] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor
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[01:52:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ping
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[02:29:10] <pfred1> Jymmm if you change the volts you affect the VA and watts
[02:29:25] <pfred1> but I wouldn't lose sleep over the effect
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[02:30:21] <pfred1> Jymmm does your transformer put out a little too much voltage?
[02:31:59] <Jymmm> pfred1: It's a torroid I found in a surplus store for $25 I was thinking about buying.
[02:32:24] <pfred1> Jymmm well after you rectify it and filter it it is going to put out even more
[02:32:44] <pfred1> about a third more than its AC rating
[02:33:01] <pfred1> the RMS bump
[02:33:05] <Jymmm> pfred1: Yeah, that's why I was wondering if I took out a few winds, would it reduce the VA too much?
[02:33:54] <pfred1> nah but lets say it is a 40 volt AC transformer after you filter it and rectify it you're going to have raw 52 DC
[02:34:45] <pfred1> plus unless it is a precision transformer what they say they are and what they put out are usually two different things they tend to the high side in my experience
[02:35:07] <pfred1> like 24 VAC transformers are usually around 28 VAC
[02:35:08] <Jymmm> Yeah, so me wanting 50VDC, I need like 36VAC on the secondary.
[02:35:20] <pfred1> yeah it is tricky to nail it
[02:36:02] <pfred1> I built an adjustable linear supply but it is only good to about 42 VDC
[02:36:23] <pfred1> somewhere in the 300 watt range
[02:36:45] <pfred1> I've only load tested it to 100 watts but it didn't even get warm doing that
[02:37:17] <Jymmm> Yeah, I even thought about having a 1000VA transfeorm made for me that you can adjust from 1 to 128 volts =)
[02:37:31] <pfred1> I think there may be a technique where you can float the ground on the regulator IC and get more volts out of it
[02:37:48] <pfred1> variac
[02:38:04] <pfred1> I have one but it only a 3 amp one they make huge variacs though
[02:38:17] <pfred1> 10 amp pretty common
[02:38:35] <Jymmm> I guess I could, I'd rather have a "solid" output voltage not what some wiper says
[02:38:51] <pfred1> then you need a regulator
[02:39:01] <Jymmm> nah
[02:39:26] <pfred1> this is the one I built http://www.instructables.com/id/300-Watt-Linear-Power-Supply/
[02:39:29] <Jymmm> It's just that variac wipers get dirty and such
[02:40:00] <pfred1> it is super accurate
[02:40:12] <pfred1> like hundreth of a volt no sweat
[02:40:32] <Jymmm> cool, good for electronics testing
[02:40:53] <pfred1> yeah I need to make another one because the one i have is going on my CNC machine
[02:41:31] <pfred1> thing just had the juice to totally blow this one motor driver to smitherenes
[02:41:46] <pfred1> thing was just about to burst into flame before i shut it down
[02:42:06] <Jymmm> pfred1: I have one of these, just going to make a box that sits under it with a 0-n adj regulator in it http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamps/4082.html
[02:42:34] <pfred1> I worry about switchers being as steppers are so dirty to begin with
[02:42:52] <pfred1> I've had a lot of noise issues with my system I had to overcome
[02:43:07] <pfred1> long as it is clean though its good
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[02:43:32] <Jymmm> Well, that PS is for my radio, electronics testing. Not for CNC stuff.
[02:43:45] <pfred1> yes it doesn't go high enough voltage
[02:44:15] <Jymmm> There's also a "remote control" for it that will adjust the voltage externally
[02:44:27] <Jymmm> thru a jack in the back
[02:44:27] <pfred1> a sense?
[02:44:48] <Jymmm> resistor controlled basically
[02:45:08] <pfred1> hmmm the way regulators work is they compare the voltage to a reference
[02:45:21] <pfred1> usually a zener diode
[02:45:30] <pfred1> but where you compare matters
[02:46:11] <pfred1> sort of like the star ground method but different
[02:46:39] <Jymmm> pfred1: http://www.alinco.com/pdf.files/
[02:46:50] * Tecan waits for parts for laser engraver
[02:47:00] <Jymmm> select first PS in drop down
[02:47:06] <pfred1> Tecan CO2?
[02:47:10] <Tecan> ya
[02:47:20] <Tecan> bought a kit on ebay and the laser+ ps seperate
[02:47:22] <pfred1> what's your tube cost per hour to run?
[02:47:32] <pfred1> that is what scares me about those
[02:47:44] <pfred1> them tubes they don't last forever and they cost a fortune
[02:48:04] <pfred1> so you can pretty much break it down to what it costs a minute to run the things
[02:48:13] <Jymmm> pfred1: http://i43.tinypic.com/1z38b5c.jpg
[02:48:13] <Tecan> not sure yet but the commercial ones seem to be worthy of price
[02:48:41] <Tecan> bbl girlfriends here to watch movies
[02:48:42] <Jymmm> Tecan: ebay link (if you dont mind)?
[02:48:47] <Tecan> sec
[02:49:02] <Tecan> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/160393738120?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[02:49:20] <pfred1> Jymmm OK this is just a remote pot
[02:49:27] <Jymmm> pfred1: yeah =)
[02:49:35] <Jymmm> pfred1: but nice feature to have
[02:50:33] <pfred1> ah this is the linear guides not the actual laser itself
[02:51:00] <pfred1> I looked into lasers very expensive
[02:51:07] <Jymmm> pfred1: I can setup the external box I was talking about to set the PS to 5V, instead of the regulators trying to dissapate 15V as example.
[02:51:34] <pfred1> well it is a switching supply
[02:51:40] <pfred1> they just PWM down
[02:52:12] <pfred1> linears are the ones that get killed with big input output differtials
[02:53:08] <pfred1> Jymmm know one great place to get heavy duty transformers?
[02:53:31] <pfred1> find yourself a big old heavy boat anchor microwave oven on the side of the road and rewind it
[02:53:43] <pfred1> they're goot to like 2000 watts
[02:54:33] <pfred1> the transformers are always good in them it is the magnetrons that die
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[04:41:41] <A2Sheds> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxxdq6y8z8M just found this EMC2 5 axis cinci at MPM
[04:42:01] <A2Sheds> looks like the largest retro fit so far
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[09:00:14] <mrsun> small machine
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[11:04:04] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Here ya go... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHx_iYRGcM&feature=player_embedded
[11:04:09] <Jymmm> jthornton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHx_iYRGcM&feature=player_embedded
[11:07:00] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[11:10:13] <Loetmichel> <- just came back from our local screw/tools dealer... ordered 2 TC mill bits 2 flute 6mm with 10mm cutting lengh, and one with 30mm cutting lenght. the short ones for 10.78 Eur each, the long one 21 eur. the short ones in HSS was only marginally cheaper... i THINK the prices have gone up since last time i ordered :-(
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[11:44:25] <jthornton> anyone use a bur grinder for their coffee?
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[11:59:05] <Loetmichel> jthornton: i have a saeco royal so my coffee is grinded by a ceramic grinder for coffee ;-)
[11:59:36] <jthornton> is it worth the price?
[12:00:54] <Loetmichel> more or less. the 600 eur is a bit much. but the comfort of having fresh grinded coffee all the time and fresh brewed also is worht some money i think
[12:01:26] <Loetmichel> and the steam cyclone for the milk is great so my wife makes me a latte macciato nearly every morning
[12:01:27] <jthornton> I use a blade grinder now but it does not give an even grind
[12:01:35] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11738
[12:01:56] <Loetmichel> the saecos use burr grinders i think
[12:02:12] <jthornton> not my cup of coffee :)
[12:02:24] <jthornton> I drink mine hot and black
[12:02:41] <Loetmichel> 2 ceramic wheels at a set distance with a taper and "teeth" in it
[12:02:45] <Loetmichel> like a salt mill
[12:02:53] <Loetmichel> or pepper mill
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[12:03:25] <Loetmichel> s/wheels/ concentric wheeels
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[13:09:50] <mrsun> http://fluteworld.ru/img/c7/c77/CNC_Made_Micro_Wood_Turning_Lathe.jpg heh, cute =)
[13:13:41] <Loetmichel> *grrrr*
[13:15:02] * Loetmichel has stood 1 hr and dismantled the coffee grinder... SOMEONE has put a plastic packaging shard in it :-( (wife!)
[13:15:56] <Loetmichel> jthornton: i stand corrected: the saeco has a steel grinder: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12718
[13:16:01] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12721
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[13:19:41] <archivist> mrsun, too large for me, look in the toolbox screw driver handle http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2010/2010_07_27_tinware/IMG_0798.JPG
[13:21:13] <Loetmichel> archivist: hmmm... what are the watering cans made of? soda cans? arent they aluminium?
[13:21:34] <archivist> tinplate steel
[13:21:43] <Loetmichel> that thin?
[13:21:50] <archivist> biscuit tin
[13:22:04] <Loetmichel> biscuit boxes?
[13:22:22] <archivist> yes
[13:22:27] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[13:22:33] <Loetmichel> nice work!
[13:23:16] <Loetmichel> (little to small for my eyes which wont see a 0402 resistor properjy without magnifying help, though)
[13:23:23] <Loetmichel> -j+l
[13:23:42] <archivist> just use extra reading glasses
[13:24:29] <archivist> or...stereo zoom microscope which I use these days
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[13:25:07] * Loetmichel has seen a lot of "greys anatomy" lately 'cause wife is a fan... the glasses with the double magnifiers in them they use in the OR there are looking like they would be great for small work ;-)
[13:25:28] <archivist> hand turning under a microscope is actually easy
[13:25:54] <Loetmichel> archivist: ANYTHING handiework unter proper magnifying is easy
[13:26:42] <archivist> not when the screwdriver etc obscures the view
[13:26:59] <Loetmichel> its astonishing how precise one can handle objects if the eye can close the positioning loop wiht enough resolution ;-)
[13:28:11] <Loetmichel> look at te ppl who manage to insert new DNA into human/cow/sheep eggs.
[13:28:23] <Loetmichel> freehand under the microscope
[13:28:38] <Loetmichel> with a VERY fine glass needle ;-)
[13:31:08] <archivist> they have micro manipulators that gear down the movement
[13:31:43] <archivist> I have a few here but never had a need to use them
[13:32:19] <Loetmichel> archivist: i have seen it done FREEHAND without any gearing
[13:32:41] <Loetmichel> ... couldnt belive my eyes
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[14:54:22] <Gromits> I was trying to play with the Gladevcp example code in 2.5. When I try to run the glade UI editor (glade configs/gladevcp/manual-example.ui), I get an error: The following required catalogs are unavailable: gladevcp. I installed gladevcp and am not sure what this error means...?
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[14:55:10] <Gromits> It is also interesting because after I say OK to this error, the editor comes up...
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[14:56:17] <Gromits> but when I try to use Open to open the manual-example.ui file I get the same error...
[14:59:34] <skunkworks> I have not played with glade yet
[14:59:52] <Gromits> what good are ya? :-)
[15:00:00] <skunkworks> sorry ;)
[15:00:35] <skunkworks> do you have to install glade editor - or is it already there?
[15:01:02] <Gromits> It must be there because it comes up, it just can't open the file...
[15:01:55] <skunkworks> ooh - the glade sample config runs.. lets see if I can figure out how to edit it
[15:03:02] <skunkworks> says I have to install glade.
[15:03:07] <skunkworks> installin
[15:04:11] <Gromits> I did that and just checking, if I do it again it says I have the latest...
[15:08:18] <JT-Work> RIP or installed version of LinuxCNC?
[15:08:30] <Gromits> rip
[15:12:02] <Gromits> Hmm, there is a long thread from a year ago on this same problem. No resolution though... http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/25073
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[15:20:20] <JT-Work> I have it working on my BP and Plasma installed 2.5 computers
[15:21:58] <JT-Work> I still need to work out the GS2 status messages and convert the numbers to text
[15:22:18] <JT-Work> well winblows says I must reboot
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[15:41:50] <Gromits> Any luck skunkworks?
[15:45:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Here ya go... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoHx_iYRGcM&feature=player_embedded
[15:48:24] <skunkworks> Gromits: it loads the manual-example.ui
[15:48:30] <skunkworks> in the glade editor
[15:50:01] <skunkworks> it works for RIP if you run it from terminal with the enviroment set.
[15:50:29] <skunkworks> if I just run glade from a newly opened terminal - it errors with what you have
[15:52:06] <skunkworks> so if I go into my RIP directory - then do . ./scripts/rip-environment
[15:52:32] <skunkworks> then run glade - it opens the configs/gladevcp/manual-example.ui without issues
[15:55:08] <Gromits> AH, that was the problem. Thanks!
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[16:41:19] <IchGucksLive> hi all around the world
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[16:43:38] <mshaver> pcw_home: Any luck finding the v6 8i20 firmware?
[16:43:56] <syyl> hmm
[16:44:22] <syyl> be aware of titanium swarf ;)
[16:44:22] <syyl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im3t4_hn4H4&list=UUY8gSLTqvs38bR9X061jFWw&index=1&feature=plcp
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[16:50:53] <mrsun> ough, it just wont get straight
[16:51:08] <mrsun> dipp at the middle of the table, im scraping and scraping and i never get there :P
[16:53:23] <Jymmm> mrsun: try an angle grinder =)
[16:53:28] <mrsun> nooooo
[16:53:29] <mrsun> =)
[16:53:48] <mrsun> was going to surface grind it today, well the surface grinder i have access to was off by 0.1mm over 200mm ... so no thz
[16:53:52] <mrsun> thx
[16:53:53] <Jymmm> 16" gas powered chop saw?
[16:55:01] <mrsun> thinking of calling it quits and assemble the damn thing now, i want to be able to make stuff, tho i would probably just make a knife to killmyself with :P
[16:57:10] <syyl> angle grinder is the chinese way...
[16:57:45] <syyl> an surface grinder thats 0,1mm off?
[16:58:09] <syyl> from the early 1800?
[16:58:27] <mrsun> syyl, no i guess its due to the dents in the magnetic table its so off
[16:58:37] <mrsun> aparently they have used it to throw junk on or something
[16:58:40] <mrsun> atleast looked like it
[16:58:43] <syyl> great
[16:58:49] <syyl> seems to be a great shop ;)
[16:59:45] <mrsun> syyl, they dont use it much
[16:59:52] <mrsun> its a sheet metal workshop
[16:59:58] <syyl> ah ok
[17:00:10] <syyl> thats an unusual place for a surface grinder :D
[17:00:33] <mrsun> syyl, they have a mill, lathe, surface grinder etc for when doing some work/tool restoration etc
[17:00:43] <mrsun> flattening tools for a pullmax etc
[17:00:53] <syyl> makes sense
[17:01:09] <syyl> sharpening the blade of a big sheet metal shear maybe
[17:02:24] <mrsun> im starting to think of lapping the table, ive got most of it straight, shouldnt that work for the rest? put a piece of abrasive on the surface plate and just stand there and rub the thing :P
[17:02:36] <mrsun> tho i guess uneven presure is the enemy there
[17:02:38] <syyl> you need a biax
[17:02:44] <mrsun> syyl, yees
[17:02:48] <mrsun> but they are expensive :(
[17:03:04] <syyl> hmm
[17:03:04] <syyl> no good milling machine aroung?
[17:03:17] <mrsun> syyl, nop :(
[17:03:21] <syyl> damn
[17:03:34] <mrsun> http://www.woodworkforums.com/f65/home-made-power-scraper-137365/index2.html =)
[17:04:10] <syyl> know also somebody you modified a sabresaw
[17:04:15] <syyl> to a power scraper
[17:04:18] <syyl> works ok for him
[17:04:33] <syyl> (i am still looking for a biax ;) )
[17:04:54] <syyl> but i have to guys that own one and are willing to lend it to me..
[17:05:01] <mrsun> actualy im thinking of making my own design fromg round up =)
[17:05:28] <IchGucksLive> http://lowcostcutter.com/
[17:05:40] <IchGucksLive> cheep and doing therejpb
[17:05:47] <IchGucksLive> there job
[17:06:59] <IchGucksLive> and if you need to mill your house -> well thats the way to do it ->http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-Wood-Engraving-Machine-Engraver-Cutter-Router-1312-50-x47-2-2KW-spindle-/120833940263?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c22439b27
[17:07:50] <syyl> such a big machine and so cheap komponents?
[17:07:52] <syyl> no tool changer?
[17:07:54] <syyl> steppers?
[17:07:56] <syyl> mhm
[17:08:26] <IchGucksLive> its based at Doppel Pull Nema23
[17:08:38] <IchGucksLive> but with 2,2KW tool
[17:08:52] <IchGucksLive> M542 inside
[17:08:58] <IchGucksLive> http://www.ebay.de/itm/CNC-3020-Router-Engraver-Drilling-Milling-machine-Neu-/280680085334?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DDLSL%252BSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BUA%26otn%3D10%26pmod%3D120833940263%252B120833940263%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D5886121984884536286
[17:09:21] <IchGucksLive> a quater the price for home aplication
[17:10:14] <IchGucksLive> sorry for the long link
[17:10:26] <IchGucksLive> by till the hour time
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[17:10:55] <syyl> the spindle motor seems to be a joke
[17:11:03] <mrsun> 399 euro shipping ...
[17:11:04] <mrsun> right
[17:11:19] <syyl> looks like a m240 servo with collet chuck...
[17:11:54] <awallin> bent sheet-metal, not really alu-extrusions...
[17:12:15] <syyl> "but its cheap"
[17:12:18] <syyl> mh
[17:12:26] <syyl> i dont have enough money to buy cheap :D
[17:14:43] <syyl> that titanium is tough to machine...
[17:14:44] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2012-01-25_18-19-25_52.jpg
[17:15:06] <syyl> bandsaw took over 30min for one cut trough 40x55mm cross section
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[17:21:04] <mrsun> hmm, make a scraper attachment for angle grinders? :P
[17:23:15] <mrsun> http://www.harborfreight.com/6-piece-pneumatic-scraper-kit-95826.html or that :P
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[17:23:38] <syyl> i think that makes to little stroke
[17:24:00] <syyl> and way to fast ;)
[17:24:00] <mrsun> mm
[17:24:10] <archivist> that is a rough cleaning scraper
[17:29:28] <mrsun> 10k strokes/min to much ? :)
[17:31:25] <mrsun> aparently biax has about 1900
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[17:31:29] <mrsun> or up to 1900
[17:34:25] <pcw_home> mshaver: they are doing a last few tests, andwll forward it to you in about 20 mins
[17:34:49] <mshaver> pcw_home: Great!
[17:40:19] <awallin> hmm, via hackaday: http://home.comcast.net/~sskroch/Fengrave/fengrave.html
[17:45:57] <mrsun> nice, and its python =)
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[17:59:33] <IchGucksLive> hi all around the world
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[18:12:13] <TRW_Ags_Mx> Hi is there some methodology (like the Z-N for PID) to select the feedforward parameters (FF0 FF1 FF2)?
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[18:25:42] <mrsun> hmm, with some fast tramming of the spindle ive got about 0.01mm diff over the table ... and that is from a machine i couldnt tram before cause everything was off by i dont know how much =)
[18:25:58] <mrsun> and the tramming isnt perfect yet either =)
[18:26:18] <awallin> TRW_Ags_Mx: turn off PID. set following error limit really large. then try some gentle moves and minimize the following error by tuning FF
[18:27:11] <IchGucksLive> mrsun: good for the start what way is the table
[18:27:24] <mrsun> IchGucksLive, what way? :)
[18:27:38] <mrsun> the diff im experiencing it hink is due to the unscraped part of the table =)
[18:28:46] <mrsun> hmm, if tehre is a 0.01mm diff, if i would drill right throught a piece, how much off would the hole be on the oposite side? .. the pice is 90mm long =)
[18:29:09] <TRW_Ags_Mx> awallin: and after that should i turn on the PID an tuning just that part?
[18:29:57] <awallin> TRW_Ags_Mx: I think you leave FF at the best you found, and then tune PID to minimize following error again.
[18:31:11] <awallin> TRW_Ags_Mx: some FF1 pictures of mine from a while back: http://www.anderswallin.net/2008/04/x-axis-test/
[18:32:31] <TRW_Ags_Mx> awallin: thanks
[18:33:09] <mrsun> now i just need to make some motor mounts and im good to go with the mill =)
[18:33:17] <mrsun> until next time i feel like scraping ....
[18:34:46] <IchGucksLive> mrsun: tzerfor i need to know the messurments of the 0.01 mm
[18:35:11] <IchGucksLive> 400mm 0.01 or 100mm 0.01
[18:35:20] <IchGucksLive> is quit diferen
[18:35:43] <IchGucksLive> awallin: still fighting ZJ
[18:37:29] <syyl> sounds good mrsun
[18:37:36] <syyl> any chance for pictures? ;)
[18:37:52] <syyl> i showed my scraped vice too
[18:37:53] <syyl> :D
[18:44:13] <pcw_home> TRW_Ags_Mx: if you have a velocity mode loop and you scale the PID parameters correctly FF1 should be 1
[18:45:58] <TRW_Ags_Mx> pcw_home: im using a torque loop shuold i have the same result?
[18:47:13] <IchGucksLive> syyl: http://foengarage.de/cnc6.jpg befor demounting last mill
[18:47:22] <pcw_home> No, torque loops need little FF1. I think awallins drive is not true torque but rather a bare Hbridge, that needs FF1
[18:47:31] <syyl> not you, IchGucksLive
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[18:48:35] <IchGucksLive> syyl: tomorrow i will finish my new test router for education twith the size of the old one
[18:48:44] <syyl> stop highlighting me
[18:48:46] <syyl> please
[18:48:47] <syyl> ...
[18:48:57] <IchGucksLive> B)
[18:49:40] <pcw_home> You can see why a velocity loop wants FF1 (so the output of the PID loop matches the requested velocity before any feedback)
[18:50:10] <pcw_home> s/requested/commanded/
[18:52:28] <andypugh> British PID loops are more polite, they have a requested value.
[18:52:50] <syyl> Oo
[18:52:54] <syyl> what? :D
[18:53:05] <IchGucksLive> O.o
[18:55:32] <pcw_home> Just trying to match LinuxCNCs nomenclature.
[18:55:34] <pcw_home> actually I dont think the TP provides a commanded velocity
[18:57:20] <pcw_home> I think our SoftDMC is even more polite it just provides a Desired_Position
[19:02:34] <mrsun> syyl, haha =) the table is a shame tho ... but i can try and get some tomorrow of the little parts ive photographed
[19:04:32] <mrsun> IchGucksLive, about 200mm
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[19:08:49] <IchGucksLive> so then a 90mm drill will fail at 0.0043
[19:10:06] <IchGucksLive> i think the drill will nor fail on the table more likly to fail on the drillbit sharpness
[19:10:40] <IchGucksLive> O.O
[19:11:13] <mrsun> wait a minute :P
[19:11:18] <mrsun> you were talking about that? :)
[19:11:49] <mrsun> well for starters dont bother with it, as the calculations from me is wrong anyways, the whole will be about 40mm long =)
[19:12:44] <IchGucksLive> then have that amount almost
[19:13:11] <mrsun> so 0.0043 mm off "center" on the other side of the part ?
[19:13:30] <IchGucksLive> half that yes
[19:14:14] <IchGucksLive> 0,01mm on 200mm or is it 0,1mm
[19:14:49] <IchGucksLive> if so its 0,025 off center
[19:16:05] <IchGucksLive> everithing unter 0,2mm per 100mm table is good for short parts
[19:16:15] <mrsun> hmm, i guess i will see to it that the piece is accurate to the Z axis before drilling also :P
[19:16:42] <IchGucksLive> are you dong Space parts
[19:16:49] <IchGucksLive> doing
[19:17:07] <mrsun> IchGucksLive, stepper motor mounts <> space parts ... same thing diferent names? :P
[19:17:08] <IchGucksLive> B) O.O :xd
[19:17:30] <IchGucksLive> i did this also today
[19:17:53] <IchGucksLive> but i think you do direct Drive
[19:18:23] <mrsun> yes, motor is mounted to the screw with a bushing
[19:18:26] <IchGucksLive> http://www.sammellothar.de/x-rahmen.mpg
[19:18:40] <IchGucksLive> im on timing belt
[19:18:55] <mrsun> a bit more forgiving isnt it? :)
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[19:19:12] <mrsun> i need to redo the screws also, as they are off center at the end :/
[19:19:23] <IchGucksLive> gives a better stepper smoothness
[19:19:39] <IchGucksLive> at 15USD more
[19:19:47] <mrsun> so cut, weld new stock and work in the lathe ... gonna cut the threads in the lathe in same setup this time also, not use a threading thingie =)
[19:20:22] <IchGucksLive> why not ready made ones
[19:20:22] <mrsun> IchGucksLive, its a sieg X1, have a hard time fitting belts :( bought before to be able to but the pulleys didnt match the timing belts i got ... kinda mad over that =)
[19:20:47] <mrsun> the screw is ready made, its the part that goes throught the bearings and to the motor i need to redo =)
[19:21:09] <IchGucksLive> oh Timing belt in inch 5.08 and pulley in metric 5mm Where
[19:21:35] <mrsun> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/WankelCNCMill.JPG ofc i could make it like that :P
[19:21:54] <IchGucksLive> im overthinking the hole konsept as there are now dealers for cnc parts alover and the price is rapedly thinking
[19:22:36] <IchGucksLive> got harden round steel D16mm 1m for under 10 euros with shipping
[19:22:57] <IchGucksLive> the Ballbearings 20 for 20Euros
[19:23:05] <IchGucksLive> 20pices
[19:23:54] <IchGucksLive> so i go for 500x500x500
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[19:24:23] <IchGucksLive> the hole construckt at 40 square mm
[19:25:16] <mrsun> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/Widgit/Turret20012.jpg oo i like those little jacks for parts hanging out, have to make some of those =)
[19:26:26] <IchGucksLive> the red mark of max x is god
[19:26:34] <IchGucksLive> By for mee
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[19:30:33] <andypugh> mrsun: You can buy machinists jacks, though making them might be more fun.
[19:30:55] <mrsun> andypugh, ye its not like its hard parts to do, a cast piece of alu, thread it and stick a bolt in it :P
[19:38:58] <andypugh> I think they should be cast iron, for stiffness.
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[19:40:54] <archivist> I got a couple of jacks that seem to be apprentice made (well made)
[19:41:13] <archivist> solid steel body
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[19:42:44] <mrsun> i guess one could make them in steel also =)
[19:42:53] <mrsun> alittle harder to work with :P
[19:44:35] <syyl> i dont think that stiffness is a problem with jacks
[19:44:52] <syyl> as most of the load they get is in axial direction
[19:45:39] <mrsun> mm
[19:54:12] <mrsun> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/OthersProjects/HFToolPostGrinder.jpg lets destroy a lathe? :P
[19:54:31] <syyl> yeah :D
[19:55:42] <andypugh> I have made more elegant ones.
[19:56:01] <syyl> jacks?
[19:56:21] <andypugh> Toolpost grinders
[19:56:37] <archivist> I have used a dremel for toolpost abuse
[19:56:44] <andypugh> Mine has a trough to attempt to catch the swarf, and I generally put some polythene down.
[19:57:06] <syyl> covering the ways while grinding is a good idea :D
[19:57:15] <andypugh> Aye, I have used a Dremel-clone too, to cutting down test-tubes. I broke the end off of it.
[19:57:58] <archivist> ! catching the americanism off of
[19:58:51] <andypugh> I was making this: http://www.atp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/CanYouTellWhatItIsYet.jpg
[19:59:14] <archivist> led clock
[19:59:21] <andypugh> Laser
[19:59:35] <andypugh> Well, both, I suppose.
[20:00:25] <andypugh> quarter-past-midnight: http://www.atp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BigHand.jpg
[20:00:26] <archivist> it is time I made a clock for me
[20:00:42] <syyl> thats cool
[20:00:44] <syyl> :)
[20:01:12] <mrsun> andypugh, oo i like
[20:01:17] <mrsun> like having a clock in the whole room :P
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[20:15:37] <Gromits> Does anyone have example Gladevcp files (.ui, .hal. and .py) they are willing to share? I am having some problems getting a basic config to work and I think some real-world examples would be useful. I have read the manual as it is and seen the simple examples contained there, but they aren't very real-world...
[20:16:03] <gene76> Hi all, got a head scratcher here, named parameter not terminated, line of code is "o100 call [#_z-tmp>]"
[20:16:16] <gene76> Hi all, got a head scratcher here, named parameter not terminated, line of code is "o100 call [#<_z-tmp>]"
[20:18:14] <archivist> try without _ and -
[20:19:21] <gene76> it was declared global because local gave the same error. Can I not use dashes in named vars?
[20:20:43] <archivist> depends how well the gcode parser is written
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[20:21:38] <gene76> I'll switch to underscaores for nsme separators then, back in a few as that will be lots of editing
[20:21:40] <archivist> but a - could be interpreted as minus
[20:23:51] <gene76> well:
[20:23:57] <gene76> #<_ztmp> = 0.005
[20:23:59] <gene76> g0 x0y0
[20:24:00] <gene76> o200 while [#<_ztmp> gt #<_z-depth>]
[20:24:02] <gene76> #<_ztmp> = [#<_ztmp> + #<_step2depth>]
[20:24:03] <gene76> o100 call [#<_ztmp>]
[20:24:05] <gene76> o200 endwhile
[20:24:10] <gene76> is still the same error
[20:24:31] <archivist> still have a - there
[20:25:45] <gene76> the call is line 40 and, why is it not complaining about the initial assignments and math on those assignments at the top of the file?
[20:29:37] <gene76> I took all the - out of the names, same error, same line 40
[20:30:56] <gene76> time for some debug prints I guess.
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[20:35:39] <gene76> Heck, it won't even give me a (debug, print [#<Zdepth>]) at line 3 of the file. WTH?
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[20:39:05] <archivist> one thing I have noticed in one version is an off by one error in the error report is the error in line 39 or41
[20:40:19] <gene76> I put a blank line on both sides of it, the error line incrementd by 1.
[20:40:44] <gene76> That has generally been since forever that the real error is in the previous line
[20:41:43] <gene76> I have an o100 sub, o100 endsub defined above, so the o100 call s/b legal
[20:43:17] <gene76> back is killing me, feet are chillin and the coffee cup is empty, that last I can fix, brb.
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[20:48:41] <tom3p> fwiw: xenomai ubuntu howto xenobuntu http://arxiv.org/pdf/1103.2336.pdf
[20:48:43] <tom3p> and this claim to linux rtos 10uSec latency with PII advanced realtime linux project http://art-linux.sourceforge.net/ ( 10uS latency on PII at sourceforge hoepage )
[20:52:19] <andypugh> gene76: You have a z-depth still, or has that gone now?
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[20:55:34] <Gromits> JT-Shop: do you have Gladevcp working?
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[20:58:10] <gene76> I think so, I just put the whole thing, about 43 lines at <http://pastebin.ca/2106594>
[21:01:02] <gene76> FWIW Andy, this is probably the last 2.6.0-pre version before he EMC batallion of lawyers called
[21:03:04] <gene76> I just found a missing > in ine 22, but that had no effect
[21:06:11] <gene76> I just found a missing > in ine 18, now have bad number format, same line
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[21:17:16] <cradek> #[<Ylocal>] = #[<_Yfront>]
[21:17:42] <cradek> this is the line that's wrong
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[21:27:04] <gene76> Going to a hard number fixed it Chris, but why couldn't I make that assignment?
[21:27:19] <gene76> Thanks Chris
[21:27:46] <cradek> I think you might have meant #<Ylocal> = #<_Yfront>
[21:29:05] <cradek> I think most of the [] in your program are unneeded
[21:29:18] <cradek> I think you only need those when you want to do math
[21:29:38] <cradek> and to put them between # and < is a syntax error
[21:31:55] <gene76> I see, thanks
[21:38:15] <JT-Shop> Gromits: yes, in two machines
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[22:24:56] <Gromits> JT-Shop, could you post them somewhere so I could look at the configs (.hal, .ui, .py)?
[22:29:52] <Valen> i bet the emc lawyers thing was because emc was showing up higher than their company in google
[22:29:57] <Gromits> Need to leave, but will check back later....
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[23:30:30] <andypugh> MattyMatt: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STADIUM-5-2V-12V-12V-24V-34V-TRANSFORMER-POWER-SUPPLY-/260937599853
[23:31:17] <Valen> these might beat the beagle boards for emc perhaps http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[23:31:22] <Valen> GPIO ftw?
[23:32:11] <Valen> 256mb ram could be a bit of an issue
[23:32:16] <Valen> (as could the arm cpu)
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[23:42:44] <skunkworks> I have been having good luck with asus motherboards and amd processors. (latency wise)
[23:43:01] <skunkworks> but the atom boards seem to work great also
[23:47:48] <PCW> andypugh: what did you need in your 5i23 bitfile? (I'm baking bitfiles today)
[23:48:20] <skunkworks> mmmm... love the smell of bitfile baking
[23:50:58] <JT-Shop> the status 2 from the GS2 drive is the sum of the numbers for each status message, so 160 is both 128 and 32... I need some inspiration to display the status message in gladevcp :)
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[23:51:40] <pfred1> woah IRC really got fouled up last night
[23:52:28] <skunkworks> so - is it 1, 2, 4, , 16, 32,.... 128 ?
[23:52:33] <JT-Shop> yea
[23:52:33] <skunkworks> for each error?
[23:52:36] <skunkworks> ah
[23:52:46] <skunkworks> how many errors?
[23:53:00] <andypugh> PCW: 8xsserial on P4, 7i39 on P3, encoders and at least 1 PWM on P2.
[23:53:09] <JT-Shop> for each status, so 163 is run + a couple of non important ones
[23:53:16] <JT-Shop> 0 -256
[23:53:49] <JT-Shop> really I only want 0 - 24
[23:53:57] <andypugh> JT I asked psha for a widget to decode binary, perhaps it exists?
[23:54:12] <JT-Shop> hmmm
[23:54:25] <andypugh> The idea was integer in to 8 LEDS
[23:55:14] <pfred1> andypugh you were right look how Toshiba fooled me http://i.imgur.com/ZkAaP.jpg
[23:55:21] <JT-Shop> so a bit more reading and only one can be active between 0 - 24 but could also have 32 + 128 tacked on
[23:55:59] <pfred1> andypugh in the text they keep on going M1 M2 M1 M2 then in the table they put it M2 M1 !
[23:56:03] <andypugh> So, ON == pulled-down?
[23:56:18] <pfred1> well there is that too
[23:56:19] <andypugh> Ah, no, switched order.
[23:56:39] <pfred1> but why would you make a table with 2 first and 1 second?
[23:56:57] <pfred1> my fault I didn't notice it but still
[23:57:06] <andypugh> Big-endian?
[23:57:22] <pfred1> yeah I got it big endian in the end alrighty
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[23:58:02] <pfred1> I think I was running 4W1-2 phase instead of just 1-2 phase
[23:59:05] <pfred1> I might evne go back ot it and just set my microsteps correctly because half steping my mechanics is a bit spooky
[23:59:32] <JT-Shop> Andy, I think I can do it based on the example mhaberler did for me for the Fwd Rev label :)