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[02:20:37] <Jymmm> Hola
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[03:06:05] <clytle374> alex_joni, wanted to let you know I wasn't crazy.. A make clean breaks the 2.5 build with the same error
[03:12:36] <scanf> is there an easy way to draw something like the EMC2AXIS logo, like a short text -> dxf situaion
[03:17:45] <KimK> scanf: The EMC2 Axis logo came from truetype-tracer. From a string of text, and a selected font, it can generate either gcode or dxf. For more info, "man truetype-tracer', or "man truetype-tracer-dxf". I believe it's already part of the EMC2 install on 10.04?
[03:21:11] <KimK> If not, it should be easily installed with "sudo apt-get install truetype-tracer".
[03:22:18] <scanf> do you know with what settings truetype-tracer was ran
[03:25:21] <KimK> No, but I just typed in here "truetype-tracer ?" and it generated some gcode (the question mark?) and said it was using... "font: /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSerifBoldItalic.ttf" So I don't know if that's the default and if that was used for the logo or what. Now you know as much about it as I do, lol.
[03:27:36] <KimK> Certainly the logo was drawn with a serif font, if that helps? (Probably not much.)
[03:32:15] <KimK> back after a bit
[04:18:32] <scanf> odd, when i try to load it in emc it always has an "EMC" overlay on it
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[04:42:25] <clytle374> mozmck, what is the newest kernel you have tested? With hm2?
[04:43:01] <mozmck> I don't have any mesa boards so I've not tested hm2
[04:43:24] <mozmck> I guess newest kernel I've built was 2.6.32.x
[04:43:56] <clytle374> I'm no expert, but seems like real trouble.
[04:44:35] <mozmck> What does?
[04:45:52] <clytle374> I think something is up in hm2 that's causing the watchdog biting problem.
[04:46:44] <mozmck> Oh. Has seb looked at it? I think he's the man for hm2.
[04:46:57] <clytle374> I'm going to try a different computer Sunday, but the live disk works.
[04:47:13] <mozmck> Why not use that then?
[04:47:52] <clytle374> In too deep to give up ;)
[04:47:54] <mozmck> gotta go. later.
[04:48:29] <clytle374> take care
[04:53:34] <KimK> scanf: I believe that if you don't specify an initial program to load in the ini file, under display, under axis-only, that axis defaults to loading a startup program something like /usr/share/axis/images/axis.ngc (or axis-lathe.ngc ?). But I usually want a larger logo (to match the table size), so I just scale it up (x4 matches a BP2 pretty well) and ini it as: OPEN_FILE = /home/username/emc2/nc_files/axis_x4.ngc
[04:55:34] <KimK> You can also say OPEN_FILE = "" and nothing will be loaded.
[04:58:15] <KimK> scanf: And whaddya know, a look at /usr/share/images/axis.ngc confirms that the font used was /usr/share/fonts/truetype/freefont/FreeSerifBoldItalic.ttf So there you have it.
[04:59:48] <KimK> Just change #3 to 0.0012 and the logo will be four times as big.
[05:01:30] <KimK> Actually, you should do that change in your own x4 copy to keep the original and avoid sudo editing, etc., but I guess you knew that.
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[09:53:19] <emcPT> There is someone on line that can give me a little start help with a mesa 5210i / 7i33 and 7i37 set up ?
[09:53:46] <emcPT> I am in front of it, and it would be quite helpfull some tips.
[10:06:33] <alex_joni> emcPT: it always helps to ask a specific question when in need of help
[10:09:20] <emcPT> of course... I have done the mesa config utility, and I have the mesa board installed. In the hal file generated by the configuration I have emergency stop: "net estop-ext <= hm2_5i20.0.gpio.024.in "
[10:09:36] <emcPT> Now my questions appear
[10:10:27] <emcPT> hm2_5i20.0.gpio.024.in -> this means that the emergency stop is in PIN24 of the first card installed on the 5i20?
[10:11:44] <emcPT> I cannot find any reference to 5i20.1, that I would imagine that the 1 would be in reference to the second dauther card installed on the mesa mother board.
[10:15:34] <emcPT> I made also a dmesg command where
[10:15:44] <emcPT> hm2/hm2_5i20.0: IO Pin 024 (P3-01): IOPort
[10:16:44] <emcPT> This means that pin24 is located on the IOPort. It should be correct, but it is not clear exacly on what pins.
[10:20:39] <cncbasher> emcPT> in your emc2 config folder their should be a readme file produced by pncconf giving pin information ( P3-01) i.e Port 3 pin 1 on the 5i20
[10:26:44] <emcPT> Thanks. That was quite helpfull.
[10:27:41] <cncbasher> emcPT> the .0 is the identifier for the 5i20 , i.e if you had 2 5I20 cards the second card would have the prefix 1
[10:27:49] <emcPT> Ok
[10:29:55] <emcPT> Before I damage anything. The 7i37 is the IO board. And for each input I have I+ and I-. This is, I can use completly different sources for the inputs?
[10:30:16] <emcPT> For example +24VDC on I0+ gnd of the 24VDC on the Io-
[10:30:58] <emcPT> and +5VDC on the I1+ and gnd of the +5vDC on I1-
[10:31:16] <emcPT> That I will get HIGH on I0 and I1 ?
[10:31:23] <cncbasher> yes each input is totaly seperate
[10:31:57] <emcPT> This is good. Lets see for today if I can remove machine from estop ...
[10:33:30] <cncbasher> also note that because you are using opto inputs you will find some inputs my need inverting , bare this in mind
[10:34:40] <emcPT> but that can be done on the software side, no?
[10:35:54] <cncbasher> yes just add _invert to the end of the pin
[10:37:23] <cncbasher> or correctly gpio.o24.in_not
[10:37:28] <cncbasher> for example
[10:37:49] <cncbasher> _not = invert sense of the pin
[10:38:42] <emcPT> ok that I got
[10:42:38] <emcPT> I wired a power supply (5VDC) to IN0+ and IN0- (5VDC GND)
[10:43:02] <emcPT> I have no leds on the board and I was expecting some led to go on
[10:43:41] <emcPT> I also did not had any change on the HAL configuration window, that I expected to be in real time
[10:43:52] <emcPT> but I could be wrong
[10:46:33] <cncbasher> no you cant do it that way , connect ino- to ground and a 5v via a resistor to ino+
[10:47:09] <cncbasher> then if you short out ino+ to ground you should then see the signal change
[10:48:09] <cncbasher> also beware the invert also for the estop pin
[10:53:03] <cncbasher> you can also connect the in0+ pin directly to 5v and then have your switch in the ino- to ground , or connect ground permanantly and switch the 5v side
[10:53:17] <cncbasher> thats the joy of using opto's
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[10:56:47] <emcPT> On HAL configuration I get, with the current config:
[10:56:58] <emcPT> 9 bit OUT TRUE hm2_5i20.0.gpio.024.in ==>
[10:57:07] <emcPT> 9 bit OUT FALSE hm2_5i20.0.gpio.024.in_not
[10:57:15] <emcPT> 9 bit IN FALSE hm2_5i20.0.gpio.024.out
[10:57:39] <emcPT> if the pin is HIGH, the first line goes FALSE
[10:58:00] <emcPT> and the second goes TRUE. The 3rd never changes
[10:59:27] <cncbasher> so if you toggle the pin the state changes ?
[10:59:45] <cncbasher> between true and false ?
[10:59:51] <emcPT> yes, so something is working
[11:00:00] <cncbasher> thats fine
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[11:00:12] <cncbasher> so long as you get a state change
[11:00:16] <emcPT> but only the OUT lines
[11:00:39] <emcPT> the IN line (the one that I was expecting changes) nothing
[11:02:24] <emcPT> but now I can remove the machine from emercncy stop
[11:02:47] <cncbasher> good one pin sorted , 300 to go ....
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[11:03:31] <emcPT> 1 per day. So it should take about 1 year to make all
[11:04:00] <emcPT> Just one more thing. Should I get leds on/off on the 7i37 or not?
[11:05:00] <cncbasher> yea i believe so
[11:06:06] <cncbasher> i dont have 7i37's so no experience of them
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[11:07:40] <emcPT> Ok I will ask later. Maybe some one have.
[11:15:24] <emcPT> on 2011-09-16 [00:55:55] <PCW> 7I37 has no LEDS
[11:16:08] <emcPT> I believe that PCW is the mesa person. So the 7i37 have no leds ...
[11:18:06] <cncbasher> it's just as easy to use the hal configuration and the watch pins functions
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[12:09:10] <emcPT> Anyone using the index from the encoder for precise homing?
[12:09:24] <emcPT> Is this working properlly in emc2?
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[12:19:41] <cncbasher> emcPT> i have no reason to suspect it's not working , what is the problem
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[12:29:46] <jthornton> well he didn't stay long...
[12:30:22] <cncbasher> cant help if i dont know the problem
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[12:37:42] <Loetmichel> mornin' from the bathtub :-)
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[13:59:16] <JT-Shop> tmi
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[14:12:35] <Jymmm> hola
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[14:20:00] <JT-Shop> ¡Hola
[14:21:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: So, got the bar and dance floor installed in Club JT yet?
[14:22:09] <JT-Shop> bar was installed on day 1, dance floor is slowly disappearing...
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[14:22:39] <Jymmm> lol
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[14:24:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: For firewood?
[14:24:37] <JT-Shop> machines
[14:24:44] <Jymmm> Ah
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[14:38:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Whatever you do, be sure to keep the disco ball!!!
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[16:17:11] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Duct Tape wallet alternative? http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cell-phone-signal-blocker-pouch-1305
[16:18:55] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Looks like it might fit passport too (4 7/8 " by 3 3/8 ")
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[16:30:37] <n0b0dy> the caliper is a nice touch (last pic)
[16:31:16] <Jymmm> n0b0dy: DX does that on a few of the products they carry.
[16:33:30] <Jymmm> nots: I like the SOLD SEPARATELY disc http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_91136_5.jpg
[16:33:49] <Jymmm> n0b0dy: I like the SOLD SEPARATELY disc http://img.dxcdn.com/productimages/sku_91136_5.jpg
[16:36:50] <n0b0dy> lol
[16:37:25] <Jymmm> n0b0dy: Well, SOME things do come with batteries, some dont.
[16:38:28] <n0b0dy> it's a nice creative touch... a way to show it in the pic, but show it's not included before someone has a chance to read the details
[16:39:01] <Jymmm> n0b0dy: Yeah, since ppl dont read anymore
[16:39:04] <Jymmm> *sigh*
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[17:13:28] <n0b0dy> can hss turn hss?
[17:15:28] <skunkKandT> probably nto
[17:15:32] <skunkKandT> not
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[17:31:52] <syyl_> for a very short moment, it can
[17:31:59] <syyl_> then its more like friction welding ;)
[17:32:26] <syyl_> but, with carbide its possible
[17:33:00] <syyl_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl5JSG4Lfe4
[17:33:06] <syyl_> love that video ;)
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[17:37:02] <n0b0dy> lol
[17:38:09] <n0b0dy> is that just a demo or is there a purpose to that cut?
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[17:49:11] <Jymmm> skunkers!!!!!!
[17:53:59] <JT-Shop> n0b0dy: you might want to put a weldon shank on an endmill or like I've done change the shape of a hardened tool holder
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[17:55:26] <Jymmm> *** CODE WORD ***
[17:55:27] <Jymmm> *** CODE WORD ***
[17:55:28] <Jymmm> *** CODE WORD ***
[17:55:44] <Jymmm> skunkaroo
[18:00:35] <Jymmm> hahahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HfWr7JIeNA
[18:03:05] <syyl_> that might cause nightmares
[18:04:16] <mhaberler> the logger[mah] has been fixed to properly report 2012 logs..
[18:04:33] <mhaberler> logger[mah]: foo
[18:04:34] <logger[mah]> mhaberler: Log stored at http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23emc/2012-01-14.html
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[18:23:34] <tom3p> Vision4Hal status http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXb5w3XOUZA comps auto open with params visible, then dbl clk to shrink, again to reopen
[18:24:22] <tom3p> youtube does a better job of re-encoding ogv than ffmpeg :0
[18:28:14] <tom3p> hmm maybe not as good, the text is more legible in the flv made by ffmpeg but has glitter artifacting... i'll xl8 my own from now on
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[18:39:48] <tom3p> woh, the Vision for hal components video is very sharp if encoded ffmpeg -i V4Hal3.ogv -sameq V4Hal3.flv but grows from 9meg to 44meg
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[19:13:21] <skunkKandT> tom3p: that is pretty cool!
[19:25:08] <tom3p> thx, i'm gonna try the Vision fromt he repos now, i'm currently using a bunch of 'eggs' ( python - speak )
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[19:27:19] <tom3p> could you check to see if you have mgltools-vision in your synaptic? ( wanna know if i've allowed it thru some ppa or addon repo )
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[19:28:14] <tom3p> never mind, it has deps that cant be satified, looks like eggs for now
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[19:39:15] <pcw_home> Tom3P: That is neat
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[19:39:17] <pcw_home> is there any way things like the threads could be selected from whats available?
[19:39:18] <pcw_home> (and just dreaming here) the other signals as well come from a selection list) but with connection hints (or sorted in most likely order)
[19:42:44] <tom3p> whats available? you create them, ( or later , they get read in a pasted into the canvas when you open a .hal file )
[19:42:51] <tom3p> if i understand the q
[19:43:41] <tom3p> and i hint at some if you see the parport, i preset readall to first and write all to last ( you can chg to other )
[19:44:15] <tom3p> and no entry in 'order' means i dont care, just like in hal files
[19:44:56] <tom3p> i have not begun parsing hal or .py yet. stuck in the mega widget for motion/axis .
[19:45:21] <tom3p> motion is seen in the vid now ( not axis as in. axis.0.thingy )
[19:46:04] <tom3p> since i can 'see' the info in the hal , and 'see' the info in the py, i think hal2py and py2hal is do-able
[19:47:08] <pcw_home> What I was thinking is that if you have one or two global threads defined you should not ever need to type them again
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[19:48:42] <tom3p> well i could add them to the pallet
[19:49:17] <tom3p> you save & make your own pallet/drill down list of widgets in your own library
[19:49:59] <tom3p> the video is just my library, its all gonna be gpl'd to emc group
[19:50:00] <pcw_home> so its basically like a schematic capture --> netlist and back?
[19:50:44] <tom3p> yeah, very much so, even more basic like nodes and edges, the underpinnings of schematic capture/netlist...
[19:51:29] <tom3p> its also active ( scary ) but it looks like the nodes can be active python code too, so might do some processing
[19:52:01] <tom3p> right now the python code is set to 'pass' ;)
[19:57:11] <pcw_home> So this would ultimately be a HAL file generation/visualization tool?
[19:58:28] <tom3p> thats what i'd like. i was disappointed in gEDA mainly my ability to wrok at a lower level in the code
[19:58:37] <tom3p> and eagle is closed source
[19:59:10] <n0b0dy> mmm http://www.chaski.com/homemachinist/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=87756
[19:59:22] <tom3p> and this is coming along faster than gEDA did. so i hope for something to aid us in using EMC2
[20:05:41] <n0b0dy> http://madmodder.net/index.php?topic=3523.0
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[20:46:20] <A2Sheds> 14" bearing drawer slides at Menards are only $9 a pair, hard to beat for a low cost low speed linear bearing
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[20:48:18] <A2Sheds> http://www.menards.com/main/home-decor/cabinet-hardware/functional-hardware/drawer-slides/p1050-14-drawer-slide-ball-bearing-full-extension/p-1626952-c-9337.htm
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[21:33:49] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: *MAYBE* if you do a counter-tension setup with them
[21:34:52] <Jymmm> Or one REAL linear rail, then the other sorta floating on draw rails
[21:34:56] <Jymmm> drawer
[21:35:29] <Jymmm> you WILL get flex/deflection one the extended end of course
[21:35:38] <Jymmm> s/one/on/
[21:37:00] <Jymmm> I guess you could do some elaboart setup, but by then it be easy to buy real rails
[21:37:27] <Jymmm> $0.02 USD
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[23:04:21] <EmcPT> Hello. Using the tooltable to set up my tooling for a lathe,
[23:04:42] <EmcPT> emc does not allow to set up several tools on one pocket
[23:05:19] <EmcPT> For my machine I should be able to call for tool T0101 and T0102 or even T0103
[23:06:00] <EmcPT> All three tools are on pocket 1, and carry different offsets and tip directions and radius
[23:06:20] <EmcPT> This is not possible? Sure it is.
[23:07:49] <rob__H> just call the different H values
[23:08:30] <rob__H> G43, no need to "change" tool just to move over
[23:08:57] <EmcPT> but that i
[23:09:00] <rob__H> same as one would do if it was ganged tooled slide
[23:09:09] <EmcPT> should be for milling machines
[23:09:18] <EmcPT> lathes uses T xx yy format
[23:09:22] <rob__H> emc does not have a 4 digit tool call
[23:09:42] <rob__H> txx m6 then G43 Hxx
[23:10:01] <rob__H> G43 on its own will call the active tool # offsit of H so u dont always need to program the H btw
[23:12:08] <EmcPT> understood. Like milling machines. Thank you rob
[23:12:14] <rob__H> indeed
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[23:12:31] <rob__H> little odd when u go from ur fanuc lathe go to program ur EMC machine, but after awhile u forget about it in truth
[23:12:55] <EmcPT> I cannot because I use the Fanuc lathe...
[23:13:35] <EmcPT> and the Fanuc VMC
[23:13:48] <rob__H> yes same here
[23:14:09] <rob__H> but have converted most old machines over to EMC now mills and lathes :)
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[23:34:11] <Jymmm> What the.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANZBs8Za0Q&NR=1&feature=endscreen
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