#emc | Logs for 2011-12-13

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[00:06:10] <Loetmichel> ok, thats it.... happened to invert the PSU + and - ... all four tb6560 AND the PSU shot... I HATE IT! (shouldnt have worked so late)
[00:06:40] <JT-Shop> it's like tomorrow for you
[00:06:48] <jdhNC> $1 diode would have been a good add-on for them.
[00:07:27] <tom3p> Loetmichel, the spindle in http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12530 is it 1.5kw? air cooled or water cooled?
[00:07:41] <jdhNC> odd that it took out the PSU. No polyfuse or soemthing in it?
[00:08:03] <Loetmichel> tom3p: 800W watercooled
[00:08:24] <tom3p> nice, is water cooling any proble,?
[00:08:40] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: its about 1:08 am over her
[00:08:45] <Loetmichel> no, not really
[00:09:09] <tom3p> i was looking at 1.5kw er-11 from keling ( sale is like 360$ now )
[00:09:14] <JT-Shop> I thought so
[00:09:34] <JT-Shop> rubber keypad?
[00:09:44] <Loetmichel> but i had to do some work for my company yesterday. Shot my z-driver... so i deceided to borrow a new driver board... and now its COMPLETLEY dead. I am devastated
[00:10:03] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: sillicone
[00:10:06] <jdhNC> I have one of those keyboards, $5 or so.
[00:10:16] <JT-Shop> your not dead so all can be salvaged
[00:10:26] <Loetmichel> $ 12 over here (10 Eur)
[00:10:43] <JT-Shop> does the silicone keyboard work well?
[00:11:09] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: all four drivers are dead, the PSU hat some fireworks also, and i am REALLY late now.
[00:11:13] <jdhNC> mine needs deliberate keypresses
[00:11:30] <jdhNC> works fine though
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[00:12:26] <Loetmichel> the keyboard is working as expected. great for working under a mountain of swarf, bit not really great for typing long mails.
[00:12:26] <tom3p> the keling 800w is 349, the 1500w is 359 , go figger
[00:13:15] <Loetmichel> tom3p: i payed 272 Eur + 58 Eur tax... for the 800 plus the VFD
[00:13:49] <Loetmichel> so its about 350$ WITH the VFD (and tax)
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[00:15:16] <jdhNC> JT: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10809&cs_id=1080903&p_id=6824&seq=1&format=2
[00:16:12] <tom3p> looks like nice stuff, too bad the ATC units are near 2500Euros (3300$)
[00:20:13] <Loetmichel> i must have made some deity angry.... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12554
[00:21:18] <jdhNC> perhaps you need to be audited.
[00:21:58] <tom3p> wow blew the dies right out of those toshiba drivers
[00:23:30] <Loetmichel> audited?
[00:24:06] <jdhNC> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditing_%28Scientology%29
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[00:25:03] <Loetmichel> not really
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[00:26:00] <andypugh> Well, It's certainly a motor.
[00:26:46] <andypugh> Though I blew up my lab PSU finding out.
[00:27:08] <Tom_itx> uh oh
[00:27:18] <Loetmichel> I dont NEED any God or godlike creature and DEFINETLY no supferficical "belief" that will draw my money out of my pocket.
[00:27:37] <jdhNC> thank you, that will be $20 please.
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[00:27:40] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Ah, but does He need you?
[00:27:50] <Loetmichel> he Who?
[00:28:15] <andypugh> Just being contentious.
[00:28:35] <andypugh> You have separate church taxes in Germany, right?
[00:28:46] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/188313
[00:29:06] <Loetmichel> no, one church tax if you are catholic or protestant
[00:29:16] <Loetmichel> and no tax if you are not ;-)
[00:29:25] <Tom_itx> did that sway you?
[00:30:17] <JT-Shop> sounds like unions in right to work states
[00:30:38] <andypugh> I wonder what has happened to my PSU? It was flicking the high-voltage change-over relay at about 50Hz when it happened.
[00:30:45] <Loetmichel> no. i am protestant (evangelisch in german) by "birth"... but the last 10 times or so that i have seen a church from the inside was because i needed to work there
[00:30:57] <andypugh> So that will be the first place I look.
[00:31:41] <Loetmichel> ... i worte the letter of my resignation as soon as i turned 18
[00:32:23] <andypugh> I do admit, if I was omniscient, omnipotent and infinitely malleable, I don't think I would be too bothred what my creation did on a sunday.
[00:32:34] <Loetmichel> andypugh: relais contacts burned?
[00:32:44] <andypugh> I think that seems likely.
[00:32:48] <tom3p> or selector swx contacts
[00:33:01] <JT-Shop> do they make something like a track ball anymore for mouse inputs?
[00:33:11] <Loetmichel> now how do i get my CNC runnin?
[00:33:17] <andypugh> Well, relay contacts shorted, I assume, as it blows the fuse immediately.
[00:33:42] <andypugh> Loetmichel: You need to pray for it :-)
[00:33:48] <Tom_itx> should have some sort of protection
[00:33:49] <Loetmichel> andypugh: welded contacts?
[00:33:58] <Loetmichel> andypugh: to whom?
[00:34:09] <tom3p> Loetmichel, are all 4 drivers blown? you might be able to use 1 to help set up each axis individually
[00:34:20] <andypugh> For CNC? Probably Hephaistos.
[00:34:22] <Loetmichel> tom3p: all 4
[00:35:04] <Loetmichel> andypugh: in my belief ther IS a god. but he has turned his attentition to a less demanding project.
[00:35:21] <Loetmichel> so: why shoud i pray if noone is listening?
[00:35:26] <tom3p> haha pic of andy http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/158/hephaistos.jpg/sr=1
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[00:35:51] <andypugh> JT-Shop: http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/trackerballs/4646098/ or maybe http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/keyboards/7385392/
[00:36:34] <JT-Shop> ouch 429 pounds
[00:36:46] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Ah, of the many available, I picked the discontinued one.
[00:37:09] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I actually have a keyboard almost identical to that, but I paid a fraction of that from eBay.
[00:37:41] <MattyMatt> I saw them on ebay. £30 iirc
[00:39:05] <andypugh> JT-Shop: http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-KEYBOARD-TRACKBALL-US-MICRO-PRODUCTS-USMP-KX065-TB-ANTI-VANDALISM-KIOSK-/200685049585?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb9c2d6f1#ht_921wt_1216
[00:39:46] <JT-Shop> that's neat and compact
[00:40:48] <MattyMatt> not as neat and compact as a touchscreen keyboard
[00:41:10] <JT-Shop> I can type faster on a keyboard
[00:41:52] <JT-Shop> MattyMatt: current setup http://imagebin.org/188313
[00:41:55] <JT-Shop> almost happy with that
[00:41:55] <MattyMatt> I was gonna say "not on one of those" but it claims cherry keyswitches. they do come in an "extra stiff" version tho
[00:41:57] <Danimal_garage> hi
[00:42:08] <JT-Shop> Hi Dan
[00:42:19] <Danimal_garage> Hi john
[00:42:27] <Danimal_garage> how goes it
[00:42:39] <MattyMatt> I have a model M for typing on, and a Microsoft natural to get swarfed up :)
[00:42:52] <JT-Shop> not bad messing about with my CHNC monitor and keyboard
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[00:42:58] <MattyMatt> I should rescue that and save it for if someone gets rsi
[00:43:01] <Danimal_garage> hows it coming?
[00:43:21] <JT-Shop> did you see the image?
[00:43:29] <MattyMatt> $5 keyb, cling film. job done
[00:44:23] <JT-Shop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823176018
[00:44:56] <Danimal_garage> MattyMatt: i use double sided foam tape, works great
[00:45:14] <JT-Shop> I like tek screws
[00:45:17] <tom3p> is the mouse/trackball just to get at the smallish widgets of the gui?
[00:45:34] <Danimal_garage> nice JT-Shop
[00:45:45] <JT-Shop> well that or a mouse or a touch screen and keyboard
[00:45:55] <JT-Shop> just kinda sperimenting
[00:45:57] <MattyMatt> trackball would be neat for jogging
[00:46:06] <JT-Shop> I have a MPG for that
[00:46:37] <tom3p> i got a thumbring mouse ( its a ring on your finger ) if you want it ( and have a db9 serial port :)
[00:46:43] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: im uploading a pic of mine right now
[00:46:53] * JT-Shop is off to check on the wife who does not feel well atm
[00:46:56] <andypugh> A mate of mine was determined he wanted at least a clicky keyboard, if he couldn't get a true Model M. Then I suggested he tried a Mac one. Very small travel, but separate keys. He loved it, and bought one. Not too suitable for a CNC environment, though, despite being aluminium framed, as I think swarf would get round the keys.
[00:47:40] <Danimal_garage> http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6502359447/in/photostream
[00:47:46] <JT-Shop> I turn my keyboard and bang it against the monitor from time to time on the 308 to clear swarf
[00:47:49] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: similar to yours
[00:48:23] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: just picked this up today: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6502362567/in/photostream
[00:48:37] <MattyMatt> someone should make a keyb with old typewriter keys. swarf/ash/crumbs/coffee fall straight through those
[00:48:41] <JT-Shop> that's the keyboard i need
[00:48:57] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i got it on ebay, i got 2 of them
[00:49:00] <tom3p> yeah you could use a keyboard with an eraserhead ( jmouse ) you just lean on the eraser like nub. old laptops got 'em
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[00:49:19] <JT-Shop> lift kit, V8 or 6?
[00:49:36] <JT-Shop> oh the nipple button
[00:49:38] <Danimal_garage> the little mouse thing is a little weird to get used to, but the screen is a touch screen so i use that mostly
[00:49:58] <Danimal_garage> 4" lift, high output inline 6
[00:50:01] <Danimal_garage> 5 speed
[00:50:17] <Danimal_garage> just for beating up in the desert
[00:50:25] <JT-Shop> 6 is so tight front to rear it ain't funny
[00:50:38] <Danimal_garage> yea
[00:50:44] <Danimal_garage> solid motor though
[00:50:55] <JT-Shop> my buddy is nuts about them and is always coming over here to mod his lol
[00:51:00] <Danimal_garage> lol
[00:51:20] <Danimal_garage> gotta peal the stupid stickers off of it, and i might throw some cheap paint on it
[00:51:21] <JT-Shop> he wants to make a pickup out of one
[00:51:30] <Danimal_garage> ha nice
[00:51:47] <JT-Shop> well time for me to go inside and check on the sick ones
[00:51:51] <Danimal_garage> ok seeya
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[01:07:44] <A2Sheds> woo hoo \0/ new AC servos came today
[01:08:02] <danimal_laptop> sweet!
[01:08:11] <A2Sheds> hows the new mill?
[01:08:40] <danimal_laptop> slowly progressing
[01:09:00] <A2Sheds> the chiller for the anodize tank working out as well?
[01:09:41] <danimal_laptop> so far, but it hasnt been hot out
[01:09:58] <danimal_laptop> seems to keep up just fine so far
[01:11:07] <A2Sheds> danimal_laptop: do your surplus guys ever come across wide format inkjets or large flatbed printers?
[01:11:23] <danimal_laptop> i dont think so
[01:11:37] <A2Sheds> it a real niche
[01:11:48] <A2Sheds> it/it's
[01:13:26] <danimal_laptop> yea
[01:13:51] <danimal_laptop> i have one that used to be a gantry style printer, but it has an engraving head on it now
[01:13:59] <danimal_laptop> im selling it though
[01:14:11] <A2Sheds> what range of travel?
[01:14:20] <danimal_laptop> 6x12x14"
[01:14:43] <danimal_laptop> its for part marking with an inkjet head
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[01:15:09] <A2Sheds> there some outfit near me that sells systems for <$1k that size
[01:15:49] <danimal_laptop> with servos, and thk linear rails?
[01:15:56] <A2Sheds> http://www.kelinginc.net/CNCmachines3030.html
[01:16:05] <A2Sheds> steppers
[01:16:23] <A2Sheds> minus the controller
[01:16:27] <danimal_laptop> yea, this is quite a bit beefier
[01:17:15] <A2Sheds> what size servo? ~1kw?
[01:17:41] <A2Sheds> probably 500w
[01:18:19] <danimal_laptop> i dunno, small
[01:18:32] <danimal_laptop> ball screws
[01:18:46] <danimal_laptop> mesa boards
[01:18:53] <danimal_laptop> with a spindle
[01:19:28] <danimal_laptop> i have a few people that are supposed to look at it over the next few days
[01:19:37] <danimal_laptop> hopefully itll sell
[01:19:44] <danimal_laptop> dont really need it right now
[01:19:44] <A2Sheds> I'm just finishing up one here 12" x 30" with ball screws, 750w servos for printing conductive ink
[01:19:50] <danimal_laptop> nice
[01:20:33] <A2Sheds> it didn't need ball screws, but I'm getting rid of some older projects and leftover positioners
[01:21:26] <A2Sheds> this table will only have a few milligram load yet it originally could handle 300Kg
[01:23:09] <danimal_laptop> cool
[01:23:55] <A2Sheds> had to retune the servos a little :)
[01:24:53] <A2Sheds> it's getting to that time of year here when I wish I was in San Diego
[01:25:32] <danimal_laptop> haha it
[01:25:41] <danimal_laptop> its crappy out now
[01:26:57] <A2Sheds> crappy like , dark, 22F, and it feels like you face is getting beltsanded when you step outside?
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[01:28:04] <danimal_laptop> well yea it feels like that, but it's 55f and drizzling
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[03:22:30] <alex4nder-> hey
[03:22:37] <danimal_laptop> yo
[03:22:40] <alex4nder-> hey how's it?
[03:23:36] <Tom_itx> damn malware
[03:23:48] <danimal_laptop> not too bad, u?
[03:24:08] <alex4nder-> good
[03:24:18] <alex4nder-> except the gerstner box I got showed up with an obvious fit and finish problem
[03:24:45] <alex4nder-> which is kind of annoying, since I bought the expensive USA-made one to avoid that kind of thing
[03:24:50] <danimal_laptop> Tom_itx: ouch
[03:25:03] <danimal_laptop> alex4nder-: that sucks, was it new?
[03:25:07] <alex4nder-> yah, bought from them
[03:25:14] <Tom_itx> one of the laptops
[03:25:43] <Tom_itx> pulling some of the files off with ubuntu
[03:25:48] <alex4nder-> danimal_laptop: one of the boards used in the bottom of the box had an obvious chip missing, and they built the box using it anyway, and finished over it
[03:26:07] <danimal_laptop> wow...
[03:26:45] <danimal_laptop> i had one a long time ago, got rid of it for a kenedy
[03:26:49] <alex4nder-> like, the actual interior wood exposed by the chip is shiny
[03:27:07] <danimal_laptop> it wasnt bad, just fancier than i needed
[03:27:09] <alex4nder-> yah
[03:27:23] <alex4nder-> I took pictures; I'm going to call them tomorrow
[03:27:33] <elmo40> http://www.youtube.com/v/D2IQkKE7h9I
[03:27:41] <danimal_laptop> yea, i'd demand an exchange
[03:27:49] <elmo40> interesting TEDx video about 3D printing
[03:28:25] <elmo40> printing in the Microns!
[03:34:05] <A2Sheds> small is easy, big and fast is still hard
[03:35:11] <elmo40> small is easy, Micron small isnt all that easy.
[03:35:33] <elmo40> there is a range that works well. not uber small and not mega large ;)
[03:35:55] <A2Sheds> depends on who is building it
[03:36:12] <A2Sheds> like always
[03:37:31] <Tom_itx> i wish these atom boards had one more sata port
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[04:42:19] <Turtl3boi> anyone got some used servo motors + encoders for sale? i'm looking for something to experiment with
[04:43:00] <alex4nder-> Turtl3boi: I heard danimal_laptop has a server-based machine he's selling
[04:43:24] <Turtl3boi> yeah i'm aware of that
[04:43:50] <Turtl3boi> i just want to get my hands on a servo motor + encoder so i can learn about PID control loops
[04:51:29] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, do you have a o-scope?
[04:51:53] <danimal_laptop> machine is likely sold
[04:52:22] <danimal_laptop> i love craigslist
[04:53:16] <Turtl3boi> yeah i do why
[04:53:21] <Turtl3boi> danimal......damnit
[04:53:26] <Turtl3boi> i almost got the money
[04:53:28] <Turtl3boi> oh well
[04:53:37] <Turtl3boi> hahaha why wha'ts up eartaker?
[04:53:44] <Turtl3boi> i got a TDS210 Tektronix
[04:54:03] <Eartaker> was going to say if you dont then PID is a guessing game lol
[04:54:17] <Turtl3boi> k
[04:55:30] <Turtl3boi> yeah i have some experience with feedback systems i'm just not a good programmer
[04:55:54] <Turtl3boi> i've got this little Atmel 8-bit microcontroller and i'd like to implement my PID loop on that
[04:57:35] <Turtl3boi> eartaker which o-scope do you got?
[04:57:48] <Eartaker> I dont have one
[04:57:49] <alex4nder-> just make your own servo with a DC motor and an encoder.
[04:58:12] <Turtl3boi> well yeah but i'd like to get a decent servo motor
[04:58:26] <Turtl3boi> not just a cheapie small DC motor from a radio control car or something
[04:58:36] <alex4nder-> that's stupid
[04:58:46] <alex4nder-> oh, sorry
[04:58:48] <alex4nder-> that just came out
[04:58:55] <alex4nder-> tourettes
[04:59:02] <Turtl3boi> lol what?
[05:00:38] <Eartaker> http://www.kelinginc.net/ServoMotors.html
[05:01:07] <Eartaker> I have the KL34-180-90's
[05:04:15] <danimal_laptop> i have someone coming to look at it tomorrow
[05:04:29] <danimal_laptop> and wed if it doesnt sell tomorrow
[05:05:18] <danimal_laptop> how do those keiling motors work?
[05:05:47] <Turtl3boi> Danimal , if they don't offer you a decent amount don't sell it
[05:05:58] <Turtl3boi> because i will be able to come through eventually with $1150
[05:06:43] <danimal_laptop> i'm not negotiable
[05:07:02] <Turtl3boi> so you're not going to let the guys on craigslist talk you down
[05:07:59] <danimal_laptop> not lower than i told you, but there's been enough interest in it to not budge too much
[05:08:20] <Turtl3boi> k
[05:08:35] <Turtl3boi> i rarely meet hard bargainers like you anymore
[05:08:55] <Turtl3boi> =p
[05:09:29] <Turtl3boi> fine i'll come through with the $1200 but i'd like a few phone calls as well with that for troubleshooting
[05:09:49] <Turtl3boi> if some guy on craigslist offers you more, just tell him you have a real offer at 1200
[05:09:56] <Turtl3boi> i mean offers you less
[05:12:27] <alex4nder-> Turtl3boi: you want to buy a TDS2024B scope?
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[05:13:05] <bsaunder> Q: any BigEasyDriver users out here?
[05:13:13] <bsaunder> Q: or pport gurus
[05:13:20] <Turtl3boi> that's a helluva scope alex4nder
[05:13:22] <Turtl3boi> you got one for sale?
[05:13:39] <alex4nder-> yes
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[05:13:53] <alex4nder-> I'll even throw in a pelican case that it fits in
[05:15:07] <Turtl3boi> would you take $900
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[05:15:32] <alex4nder-> I'd take 1500.
[05:16:04] <Turtl3boi> hmm
[05:16:11] <Turtl3boi> i'll think on that one
[05:16:22] <alex4nder-> cool
[05:16:25] <Turtl3boi> i do need to upgrade my scope tho
[05:16:32] <Turtl3boi> i'd hope to sell mine for $375
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[05:20:56] <Turtl3boi> if i can get rid of my TDS380 and TDS210 then i can buy yours
[05:25:37] <danimal_laptop> alex4nder-: raise the price every time he tries to lowball you
[05:25:53] <danimal_laptop> :)
[05:26:00] <Turtl3boi> isn't lowballing normal?
[05:26:05] <alex4nder-> no, it's really insulting
[05:26:12] <Turtl3boi> i always assumed the buyer over priced their items
[05:26:15] <alex4nder-> and makes you look like an idiot.
[05:26:29] <alex4nder-> because it means you don't know the value of the thing you're trying to buy
[05:26:34] <Turtl3boi> i dunno i used to always go to the swapmeet with my parents and it's like a given that you make an offer
[05:26:38] <alex4nder-> or if you do know, it conveys that you think the guy is a moron.
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[05:26:58] <danimal_laptop> alex4nder-: i usually refuse to sell to lowballers
[05:27:10] <alex4nder-> or it means you're trying to 'steal' thing thing from someone who is either under duress, or is uninformed.
[05:27:12] <Turtl3boi> so danimal you don't lowball when you go down to the surplus shop
[05:27:34] <Turtl3boi> you guys seriously don't put in a lower offer on a used car?
[05:27:38] <danimal_laptop> Turtl3boi: not really, they dont ask much for stuff
[05:27:39] <alex4nder-> danimal_laptop: yah, I think that is fair for the betterment of the species
[05:28:02] <danimal_laptop> negotiating is ok if the item is overpriced
[05:28:08] <Turtl3boi> k
[05:28:09] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, if your interested here was my build thread... http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/104146-rf-45_cnc_advice_needed.html
[05:28:28] <Turtl3boi> i really didn't mean to insult you guys with my offers
[05:28:42] <Turtl3boi> but i really thought they were honest offers given that i don't really have a manufacturer warranty anymore
[05:29:16] <danimal_laptop> after i tell you the price is firm, any further negotiating is just an insult
[05:30:15] <Turtl3boi> yeah but the entire time i wasn't sure exactly what i was getting
[05:30:19] <Turtl3boi> because you never gave me a parts list
[05:30:21] <Turtl3boi> don't hold it against me please
[05:30:25] <Turtl3boi> i'm a nice guy
[05:31:09] <Turtl3boi> i offered originally $800 for a used mill. i assumed i was getting just the mill and the spindle. i thought that was a non-insulting offer man
[05:31:25] <Eartaker> what kind of mill?
[05:31:44] <Turtl3boi> danimal is selling a gantry router.....with a bosch router as the spindle
[05:31:58] <Eartaker> pic?
[05:32:09] <Turtl3boi> $900 for a used oscilloscope. which might have passed hands 3 times already. that's not even close to being insulting
[05:32:27] <alex4nder-> ...
[05:32:34] <Turtl3boi> if i let you make the first offer, i might be the one to be insulted haha
[05:32:39] <Turtl3boi> what if you had said $2000 first
[05:32:43] <Turtl3boi> it goes both ways
[05:32:57] <danimal_laptop> it's worth 2k
[05:33:02] <Eartaker> how big is the gantry?
[05:33:17] <danimal_laptop> 6x12x14", not huge
[05:33:22] <Turtl3boi> dude i'm fine to pay $1200 but the thing is i still am not sure what condition it's in
[05:33:54] <Turtl3boi> that's why given the circumstances, and the fact i'm competing with craigslisters, i feel obliged to submit craigslist type offers
[05:34:14] <Turtl3boi> if i see the item and inspect it then yeah ok i can make you a more "respectable offer"
[05:34:35] <Eartaker> what drivers?
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[05:34:52] <Turtl3boi> he doesn't know, but they're likely DC brushless servo motors
[05:34:58] <danimal_laptop> i forgot the make, but it's all servo
[05:35:26] <danimal_laptop> Turtl3boi: in all likeliness, it's sold, a friend of mine wants it
[05:35:55] <danimal_laptop> he gets first dibs
[05:36:02] <Turtl3boi> well if money means anything to you, i'd pay $50 more than him
[05:36:24] <danimal_laptop> no
[05:36:42] <Turtl3boi> ok then i'd like to you to at least figure who makes that table so i can find one like it
[05:37:01] <danimal_laptop> no clue
[05:37:23] <danimal_laptop> it was a $50,000 printer
[05:37:30] <Turtl3boi> what?
[05:37:42] <danimal_laptop> had an inkjet head for part marking
[05:37:51] <Turtl3boi> hmm
[05:37:54] <Turtl3boi> like a 3D printer?
[05:38:14] <danimal_laptop> everything on it is very high quality
[05:38:15] <danimal_laptop> no
[05:38:33] <Turtl3boi> dude how about this
[05:38:40] <danimal_laptop> dude its sold, drop it
[05:38:44] <Eartaker> lol
[05:38:49] <Turtl3boi> c'mon
[05:38:55] <Turtl3boi> god dude you got me so hyped up
[05:39:02] <Turtl3boi> jesus dude i sold some options today
[05:39:07] <Turtl3boi> now i'm pissed
[05:39:19] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, http://www.probotix.com/FireBall_v90_cnc_router_kit/
[05:39:27] <danimal_laptop> ok so the other day when you told me to just sell it, you were lying?
[05:39:36] <danimal_laptop> just drop it man
[05:39:41] <Turtl3boi> i said basically sell it if you can get more than $1200
[05:39:42] <danimal_laptop> keep the drama out of here
[05:39:49] <Turtl3boi> wtf?!?!
[05:39:51] <Turtl3boi> i said i wanted it
[05:39:53] <Turtl3boi> for $1200
[05:40:04] <Turtl3boi> you have the right to get $1500 for it
[05:40:15] <Turtl3boi> but hey, c'mon man i did say i was trying to get the money
[05:40:19] <Turtl3boi> you know i did
[05:40:57] <Turtl3boi> yea Eartaker that fireball is a piece of junk compared to what danimal has
[05:41:12] <Eartaker> buy a Tormach?
[05:41:16] <Eartaker> http://www.tormach.com/store/index.php?app=ecom&ns=prodshow&ref=32085
[05:41:21] <Turtl3boi> i was close to it yeah
[05:41:27] <Turtl3boi> but i like Dan's system, it's pretty slick
[05:41:59] <Turtl3boi> Dan simultaneously has a friend who wants it and 2 guys from craigslist coming over
[05:45:45] <danimal_laptop> so anyways
[05:46:25] <Turtl3boi> hey dan i'll drop it man, but i just want you to know that i did sell my stock options today and i was having them transferred to my credit union
[05:48:09] <danimal_laptop> sorry, but you told me to sell it because it was going to take too long to get the money. thats where you left it.
[05:49:01] <danimal_laptop> and honestly i dont want to deal with it after i sell it
[05:49:12] <Turtl3boi> no, i was being polite haha. if you had read between the lines i was saying "hey, i want it but if you have a better offer sell it to that person". it's okay man, i miscommunicate like this all the time
[05:49:49] <Turtl3boi> it's ok, i just wanted to ask you a few things about EMC on the phone or on IRC
[05:49:57] <Turtl3boi> dude let's just drop it
[05:50:45] <danimal_laptop> Eartaker: how are those keilings?
[05:52:00] <Turtl3boi> Keling*
[05:54:48] <Eartaker> Danimal_garage, great... awesome power and reliable
[05:54:55] <Eartaker> Im running them at 78V
[05:55:08] <Eartaker> and using the AMT-102 encoders
[05:55:20] <danimal_laptop> very cool
[05:55:31] <danimal_laptop> nice cheap option then
[05:55:32] <Turtl3boi> 78 volts with pulse width modulation?
[05:56:54] <danimal_laptop> Turtl3boi: there's some small servos at the surplus yard, and i saw a drive or 2 in some equipment there
[05:57:14] <Turtl3boi> may i ask which one?
[05:57:29] <danimal_laptop> escondido surplus yard
[05:57:54] <danimal_laptop> dont ask me where in the yard, but i did see some
[05:58:09] <Turtl3boi> address?
[05:58:09] <danimal_laptop> the servos were in a box on the ground somewhere
[05:58:15] <danimal_laptop> google
[05:58:19] <danimal_laptop> .com
[05:58:36] <Turtl3boi> oh 1200 W. Mission Ave?
[05:58:41] <danimal_laptop> sounds right
[05:58:46] <Turtl3boi> err 1022
[05:58:52] <danimal_laptop> behind earl scheib
[05:58:53] <Eartaker> Danimal_garage, using this driver http://www.geckodrive.com/g320x-p-28.html
[05:59:34] <Turtl3boi> Eartaker do you have a PCI card in your computer to control your mill axes?
[05:59:40] <danimal_laptop> Eartaker: open loop?
[06:00:06] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, no I have the PP on the motherboard and then a PCI PP card for my MPG
[06:00:08] <danimal_laptop> what are you running with the servos? a mill or something?
[06:00:15] <Eartaker> Danimal_garage, Mill
[06:00:23] <danimal_laptop> cool, pics?
[06:00:32] <Eartaker> 1 sec
[06:00:45] <danimal_laptop> decent sized servos
[06:00:45] <Eartaker> http://www.eartaker.net/machining/milling/zx45.php
[06:01:48] <danimal_laptop> wow quite the project
[06:01:52] <danimal_laptop> nice job
[06:02:06] <Eartaker> thanks
[06:02:36] <danimal_laptop> how much you have into it if you dont mind me asking?
[06:02:46] <Eartaker> ~4000
[06:02:47] <danimal_laptop> 3k or so?
[06:02:50] <danimal_laptop> ah
[06:02:52] <danimal_laptop> not bad
[06:02:55] <Eartaker> yeah
[06:03:00] <danimal_laptop> you got everything new?
[06:03:04] <Eartaker> yeah
[06:03:16] <danimal_laptop> nice
[06:03:40] <Eartaker> converted it to power drawbar as well
[06:03:55] <danimal_laptop> nice, what kind of tool holders?
[06:03:56] <Eartaker> I can get 100-6800RPM right now
[06:04:02] <Eartaker> Tormach holders
[06:04:16] <danimal_laptop> gunna make a toolchanger for it?
[06:04:19] <Turtl3boi> 6800 RPM is fast enough to do PCB routing
[06:04:24] <Eartaker> maybe sometime in the future
[06:04:34] <danimal_laptop> thats a project
[06:05:08] <danimal_laptop> not really needed unless you you a lot of production
[06:07:26] <Eartaker> yeah I just play around
[06:07:30] <Eartaker> make some RC car parts
[06:07:46] <danimal_laptop> cool
[06:08:31] <danimal_laptop> well time for bed, ttyl
[06:08:45] <Turtl3boi> man
[06:08:50] <Turtl3boi> i've still got blue balls
[06:08:58] <Turtl3boi> not sure if i can drop it for a few more days now dan
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[08:43:22] <mrsun> how are the books by tubal cain ? :)
[08:43:38] <mrsun> sure they are for model engineering but feels like they could be a good source of info ? :)
[08:48:12] <archivist> depends on your skill level
[08:52:40] <archivist> Ive only read the articles by him in Model Engineer
[08:55:06] <mrsun> books were very cheap so ive ordered some of them just to check them out =)
[08:55:16] <mrsun> for me im sure its a welth of information :P
[08:55:42] <mrsun> http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/ ? :)
[08:56:11] <archivist> yes
[08:57:12] <archivist> hmm...I missed this years show!!!
[08:59:22] <Loetmichel> mornin
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[12:00:57] <maximilian_h> Hello
[12:01:16] <maximilian_h> the linuxcnc.org front page still reports 2.4.6 as the last version
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[12:02:47] <jthornton> hmmm yes it does
[12:04:15] <awallin> I guess alex_joni is the webmaster
[12:04:38] <jthornton> I'm the web puppy
[12:07:59] <jthornton> what does it say now?
[12:08:33] <mrsun> hmm, anyone know if i can use some kind of grease or something for the open gears on a south bend? :)
[12:08:36] <mrsun> they sound horrible =)
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[12:10:08] <awallin> I'm seong 2.4.7 and 6 and 4. where did 5 go
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[12:10:24] <jthornton> it vapoorized I guess
[12:10:39] <awallin> any chance of a date in the release-note also? would be nice to see if they are all from 2011 or what?
[12:10:42] <jthornton> or no one made the news page
[12:11:13] <jthornton> they might be waiting on Francis and me working on the docs
[12:14:01] <maximilian_h> Looks good now
[12:14:13] <maximilian_h> shows 2.4.7 as the last release
[12:14:21] <jthornton> :)
[12:15:12] <maximilian_h> It would be nice to show release dates
[12:15:37] <maximilian_h> that would make the website/project look more alive
[12:15:56] <maximilian_h> that is always one of the first things I check on a new project
[12:16:06] <maximilian_h> how many releases in the last year or so
[12:16:55] <maximilian_h> gives quite a good indication if the project is maintained/alive/doing well or just an old ship waiting to be scraped ;)
[12:18:00] <jthornton> if you click on the change log you can see the dates
[12:18:19] <maximilian_h> true
[12:20:11] <maximilian_h> does somebody know where the logic for G61, G61.1 and G64 is hidden in the source files ? I haven't found it during the last minutes ?
[12:20:43] <maximilian_h> I see the processing of the gcode in the rs274 interpreter
[12:21:49] <maximilian_h> but I don't see the code that changes the behaviour of the cnc controller in regard to G61,G61.1 and G64
[12:23:55] <jthornton> I would guess that those affect how motion is generated or something like that
[12:24:10] <cpresser> maximilian_h: i bet its hidden somewhere in the trajectory planner. but you might as well already figured that
[12:24:12] <jthornton> naive cam detector
[12:24:21] <maximilian_h> yes
[12:24:35] <maximilian_h> i am looking at the traj planner
[12:25:39] <maximilian_h> "naive cam detector" ?? What do you mean by that ?
[12:26:04] <jthornton> G64Pn turns it on
[12:27:06] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/common_User_Concepts.html#r1_1
[12:27:35] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/common_User_Concepts.html#r1_1_3
[12:28:35] <maximilian_h> yes, I am aware of the gcodes G61, G61.1 and G64 P- Q- . But I want to have a look at the code
[12:28:57] <jthornton> right that was explaining the naive cam detector
[12:29:10] <jthornton> so it might help you find it
[12:30:20] <maximilian_h> right now I am looking at ./emc2-dev/src/emc/task/emccanon.cc
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[12:35:25] <maximilian_h> What I want to know if the task planner actual waits until the feedback position equals the commanded position at the end of the move with G61
[12:41:16] <awallin> trajectory planning.... look at simple_tp in the wiki
[12:41:53] <awallin> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Tp_Notes
[12:42:00] <awallin> look at tp.h and tp.c
[12:42:29] <awallin> in G61 or G61.1 mode the target velocity at the end of a move is set to zero. that way you get the machine to stop at the end of a move
[12:44:36] <maximilian_h> by target velocity you mean the commanded velocity ?
[12:45:37] <awallin> hmm. if you want the machine to stop, then velovity should be zero at the end of the move
[12:45:57] <awallin> "target" on that wiki page means something else..
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[13:43:28] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX-ZHNVqOgU
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[16:04:19] <Mjolinor> I have disconnected my PS2 mouse from X, USB mouse still works but PS2 mouse does nothing. I have written a programme to display the output from the PS2 mouse on the screen in a terminal. I now need soem help as to how I go about getting the output from the PS2 mouse into HAL so I can use the buttons and movement in EMC
[16:04:26] <Mjolinor> any links for reading and such things?
[16:05:56] <awallin> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/man/man1/hal_input.1.html
[16:06:20] <Mjolinor> cheers :)
[16:06:47] <cradek> hal_input is for USB HID devices
[16:07:04] <cradek> perhaps you want to use the PS2 mouse for X?
[16:07:37] <Mjolinor> it doesnt seem to differentiate
[16:07:47] <Mjolinor> on mine mouse2 is usb ad mouse 1 ius PS2
[16:07:56] <Mjolinor> so I dont suppose it matters which you use
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[16:14:04] <Mjolinor> hmm wish I had this page this morning
[16:14:23] <Mjolinor> its taken me all day to figure how to sotp the PS2 mouse doing anythign to X and this does it automatically
[16:14:34] <Mjolinor> such is life
[16:29:33] <danimal_laptop> lol
[16:29:44] <danimal_laptop> morning
[16:35:04] <danimal_laptop> anyone know why ubuntu would not boot but instead says out of memory, grub rescue?
[16:35:26] <danimal_laptop> memory as in hdd, or memory as in ram ya think?
[16:35:54] <jthornton> bad memory maybe?
[16:36:05] <jthornton> I wake up like that all the time
[16:36:06] <danimal_laptop> we were getting realtime delay errors in emc2 and a file system error at reboot once
[16:36:14] <danimal_laptop> lol John
[16:36:29] <danimal_laptop> this is a fresh install on a brand new computer
[16:36:56] <jthornton> you check the md5sum of the iso file?
[16:37:25] <danimal_laptop> can you do that without booting ubuntu?
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[16:37:49] <jthornton> you check the iso file you used to burn the LiveCD
[16:38:08] <danimal_laptop> ah
[16:38:18] <danimal_laptop> no i didnt
[16:38:40] <danimal_laptop> it did work fine for a half a dozen reboots, if that matters
[16:38:50] <danimal_laptop> then it started acting up
[16:39:09] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/common_Getting_EMC.html#r3_3
[16:39:12] <danimal_laptop> all we did was configure hal and ini
[16:40:32] <danimal_laptop> i dont know, i used the same startup disk for my machine a few weeks ago and it's fine
[16:40:51] <danimal_laptop> on the same computer as well
[16:41:00] <danimal_laptop> d525
[16:41:09] <danimal_laptop> i'll check it though
[16:41:10] <skunkworks> run memory check - and check the hard drive smart data
[16:41:19] <skunkworks> for grins
[16:42:20] <danimal_laptop> you can check the memory without loading ubuntu?
[16:42:35] <danimal_laptop> it's actually a SSD
[16:42:39] <skunkworks> from the main menu of the boot cd...
[16:42:43] <danimal_laptop> not sure if that matters
[16:42:57] <danimal_laptop> ah i keep forgetting about the boot cd
[16:42:59] <skunkworks> (I don't know if that matters...)
[16:43:03] <danimal_laptop> i just woke up lol
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[17:33:16] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[17:44:59] <tom3p> note: when using image-to-gcode for lithophanes, invert the image and limit the depth to 1 or 1.5mm
[17:46:24] <danimal_laptop> made a booboo?
[17:47:39] <tom3p> no, but the light transmission is very important, i made them .200" ( 5mm) thick and couldnt see squat
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[17:48:15] <tom3p> its gotta be a thin detail to transmit light
[17:48:26] <danimal_laptop> ah
[17:48:43] <danimal_laptop> dont really know what they are i guess
[17:50:21] <tom3p> you carve a photo onto a piece of porcelin and light it up from bac, looks like a photo
[17:50:35] <danimal_laptop> neat
[17:50:38] <tom3p> porcelin (-10 sp) plastic, or for testing, soap :)
[17:50:59] <danimal_laptop> shows color too? or just greyscale?
[17:51:53] <danimal_laptop> not sure how it would show color, but...
[17:52:20] <tom3p> http://imagebin.org/188407 greyscale or whatever color the blank was... monochrome
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[17:57:29] <danimal_laptop> cool
[17:57:36] <IchGucksLive> Hi all
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[17:58:52] <Loetmichel> *grrr* got my pink slip today... 31.jan.12 is the last day... too few billable orders...
[17:59:10] <Loetmichel> <- searchin for a job again anytime soon
[18:00:02] <jdhNC> bummer dood
[18:01:48] <tom3p> sorry, but i bet you get a better job
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[18:07:22] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: windy ?
[18:07:40] <Loetmichel> ?
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[18:09:56] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQFcCKVpcP8
[18:10:28] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel: hier ist ien mortz sturm 8orkan)
[18:12:47] <Loetmichel> a little, some branches flyuing around, no roofs though
[18:15:27] <MattyMatt> skunkworks, nice.
[18:16:07] <MattyMatt> if you shrink the gnome fonts, does axis shrink its gui to match?
[18:16:23] <MattyMatt> I'm guessing probably not. very few apps do that
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[18:21:40] <MattyMatt> Loetmichel: can't you buid your own job with your shiny new mill?
[18:22:02] <Loetmichel> no
[18:23:08] <Loetmichel> my wife says: as long as I 1999,- +1999,- to "a bit above 2000" calculate i shouldnt souce a business. And she's right ;-)
[18:24:03] <MattyMatt> she probably tells you that you can't be trusted with your salary either ;)
[18:24:48] <MattyMatt> was your spindle the really cheap offer one? (~$300)
[18:25:08] <MattyMatt> they look rather tempting at that price
[18:26:28] <MattyMatt> even cheaper now ~£150 delivered
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[18:27:28] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HIGH-SPEED-1-5KW-WATER-COOL-SPINDLE-MOTOR-ENGRAVING-MILL-GRIND-INVERTER-f8-/250900207082
[18:30:09] <danimal_laptop> after almost a year of not ordering ti from my local supplier, they finally realized they do in fact not have me by the balls, and lowered their prices competetively.
[18:30:30] <tom3p> is the author of that usb video this guy? http://www.franksworkshop.com.au/EMC/hidcomp/hidcomp.htm
[18:30:43] <danimal_laptop> i guess they thought i was bluffing when i said i was getting it for 17/lb
[18:34:59] <MattyMatt> I thought you meant TI chips
[18:35:00] <alex4nder-> hey
[18:36:40] <danimal_laptop> no, i wish i sold my ti for 17/lb
[18:36:56] <alex4nder-> haha
[18:37:00] <danimal_laptop> local place pays 3/lb
[18:37:28] <tom3p> anyone know the app he used for laying out/documenting his pendant? http://generichid.sourceforge.net/generichidpendantcapture.png
[18:37:48] <tom3p> titanium joe?
[18:41:25] <alex4nder-> tom3p: http://generichid.sourceforge.net/
[18:41:46] <alex4nder-> er
[18:43:25] <IchGucksLive> how does this spindel work in the link with pwm from the parport ?
[18:44:42] <IchGucksLive> MattyMatt: ? is this parport compatible
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[18:51:17] <danimal_laptop> not titanium joe
[18:52:49] <IchGucksLive> ok by for me
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[18:54:04] <danimal_laptop> Loetmichel: sorry to hear about the job
[18:57:07] <Loetmichel> no problem, chance to learn something new at the new job (if i get one)
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[18:57:58] <Loetmichel> [19:25:00] <MattyMatt> was your spindle the really cheap offer one? (~$300) <- 349$ including the vfd
[18:58:41] <MattyMatt> yep that's still a lot cheaper than they were last year
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[19:00:50] <Loetmichel> [19:24:15] <MattyMatt> she probably tells you that you can't be trusted with your salary either ;) <- no. She pays all the bills, my salaray is entrely my owm. (for car, cnc, cigs, etc ;-.)
[19:01:21] <Loetmichel> <- DINK
[19:01:45] <jdhNC> nice
[19:01:59] <MattyMatt> DIOW dual income one workshop :)
[19:02:16] <jdhNC> my wife is a teacher
[19:02:24] <jdhNC> so... not realy dual income as such.
[19:02:51] <MattyMatt> she pays for her owns smokes, and lunchtime beers
[19:03:06] <MattyMatt> (if she was a british teacher)
[19:03:22] <jdhNC> nah, she has good teeth.
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[19:04:11] <MattyMatt> well she pays for her own teeth then :D
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[19:05:01] <MattyMatt> I'm gonna mill my own, as soon as get rid of the stragglers
[19:05:25] * MattyMatt has british teeth
[19:08:13] <MattyMatt> wow those VFDs are £80 delivered, without the spindle
[19:08:55] <MattyMatt> at that price, you can be sure of an active user group even if they do need fixing
[19:09:56] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: hrhr, i just imagaine an average british teacher... in her sixties, manners like gracie hart at the beginning of Miss congeniality, lokks like a scarecrow.
[19:10:02] <Loetmichel> is that right?
[19:10:21] <MattyMatt> they generally retire at 55, but they look 60 ;)
[19:12:08] <Loetmichel> btw: my wife has studied german and english for school teaching (10th to 12th year)
[19:12:39] <Loetmichel> ... bus she earns more as Manager for SAP than as a teacher ;-)
[19:12:43] <MattyMatt> does your spindle SOUND nice? have you taken it up to full speed?
[19:14:32] <MattyMatt> I've ordered some ER16 straight shank chucks to make spindles out of. I went for them instead of ER11 because the collets were no more expensive
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[19:20:39] <Loetmichel> MattyMatt: http://www.cyrom.org/pce/HFspindel_LEISE.avi
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[19:29:51] <MattyMatt> nice
[19:36:27] <Loetmichel> *AH!* NOW i know why my old CNC had blown the L298 often...
[19:36:47] <Loetmichel> just measured thqa olr PSU: 44,2V dc Bus to the stepper drivers...
[19:36:54] <Loetmichel> a LITTLE bit much ;-)
[19:37:10] <jdhNC> good catch.
[19:37:18] <jdhNC> good thing you aren't a dr :)
[19:37:20] * Loetmichel changes the Transformer from a 33V to a 24V type ;-)
[19:37:43] <Loetmichel> jdhNC: dr?
[19:37:56] <jdhNC> doctgor
[19:38:00] <jdhNC> or doctor
[19:38:06] <jdhNC> it was a joke, hahahaha.
[19:40:07] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
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[19:46:22] <Turtl3boi> is it gone danimal?
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[21:05:07] <skunkworks> andypugh: how is the servo
[21:06:02] <andypugh> Apart gain, while I do some machining steps I skipped.
[21:06:29] <andypugh> And I found the problem with the PSU (relay contacts fused together) so that looks like an easy fix.
[21:07:08] <skunkworks> cool
[21:07:13] <andypugh> I am just going to work on the PCB mounting plate now.
[21:07:23] <andypugh> I might even get onto PCB design.
[21:07:32] <skunkworks> :)\
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[21:17:34] <Turtl3boi> andy what are you using for PCB making?
[21:18:25] <Tom_itx> software or board service?
[21:18:27] <Tom_itx> i use eagle
[21:18:48] <syyl_> thats what most hobbyists seem to use :D
[21:19:03] <Turtl3boi> hmm i used something else before
[21:19:03] <Tom_itx> i've used it quite a while
[21:19:07] <Turtl3boi> i should try the Eagle
[21:19:28] <Tom_itx> the new ones have some added features
[21:19:32] <Tom_itx> i still use an old version
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[21:20:18] <Tom_itx> and gc-preview to verify the gerber files
[21:20:25] <Turtl3boi> do you use the linux version?
[21:21:10] <Tom_itx> no
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[21:21:49] <Turtl3boi> is it easy to make new components in Eagle. like custom footprints
[21:21:57] <syyl_> jep
[21:22:07] <syyl_> got it sorted out in under two hours
[21:22:27] <Tom_itx> it's easy
[21:22:31] <Tom_itx> 3 step proces
[21:22:44] <Tom_itx> make the symbol
[21:22:48] <Tom_itx> make the footprint
[21:22:51] <Tom_itx> connect the dots
[21:23:10] <Tom_itx> symbol is for the schematic
[21:23:17] <Tom_itx> the footprint is for the board
[21:23:36] <Turtl3boi> ok i'm gonna go buy it
[21:24:09] <Tom_itx> try it free first
[21:24:17] <Turtl3boi> ok cool
[21:24:19] <Tom_itx> you get a fair sized board for free
[21:24:47] <Tom_itx> 'non commercial' use
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[21:43:16] <andypugh> Turtl3boi: I have been using the free package from RS components. (Designspark)
[21:44:16] <andypugh> Then I have the boards made in China. At $1 each for 10 (double sided, resist, screenprint) I just can't see any point etching in the kitchen.
[21:44:51] <Turtl3boi> they are really 10 for $10?
[21:45:01] <Turtl3boi> how much is shipping and handling and processing?
[21:45:08] <Turtl3boi> what's the total cost for 10 boards
[21:45:16] <Turtl3boi> give me the link
[21:47:08] <syyl_> hm, i get my boards also from a professional service...
[21:47:14] <syyl_> no messing around with chemicals
[21:47:21] <syyl_> very high quality
[21:47:29] <syyl_> (double sided etc..)
[21:48:22] <andypugh> Looks like I paid $4 delivery (to the UK) last time.
[21:48:31] <andypugh> Turtl3boi: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/fusion-pcb-service-p-835.html?cPath=185
[21:48:54] <andypugh> There are other options, much the same price.
[21:49:06] <Turtl3boi> but how long did it take? that's the key
[21:49:15] <Turtl3boi> if it's 3 weeks that's pretty annoying
[21:50:08] <Turtl3boi> one guy said he sent the order on the 24th of Nov and got it on Dec 7th
[21:50:18] <Turtl3boi> that's not bad but it's not very fast
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[21:54:45] <andypugh> Yes, you have to be prepared to wait. There are much faster options, but they charge a lot more.
[21:55:51] <Turtl3boi> well 13 days isn't bad at all
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[21:56:19] <Turtl3boi> but when i do RF boards yeah it's bad because those require modification to make them work
[21:57:12] <andypugh> I tend to proptype on dot-board. Clearly that's not going to work with RF.
[21:58:33] <Turtl3boi> right
[21:58:43] <Turtl3boi> the seeedstudio will work for my other designs though
[22:03:26] <Turtl3boi> damnit danimal i'm losing sleep over not getting that damn rig of yours
[22:03:28] <Turtl3boi> ugh
[22:11:10] <Tom_itx> http://dorkbotpdx.org/wiki/pcb_order
[22:11:13] <Tom_itx> $5 sq in
[22:11:20] <Tom_itx> you get 3 back
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[23:58:32] <Danimal_garage> yawn
[23:59:57] * elmo40 day dreams... of his future live-tooling lathe :)