#emc | Logs for 2011-11-30

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[00:07:48] <Danimal_garage> pcw_home: are you around? i tried to find the info for the frequency and output type for the 7i48, cant seem to find it anywhere, can you help me out?
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[00:12:08] <Danimal_garage> PCW: speak of the devil... i tried to find the info for the frequency and output type for the 7i48, cant seem to find it anywhere, can you help me out?
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[00:12:46] <PCW> Danimal_garage its in the 7I48 manual but it could be a little clearer
[00:12:47] <PCW> PWM mode is up/down frequency is 24 KHz (for 5I20)
[00:13:32] <Danimal_garage> ah ok, if it isn't bluntly worded i probably didnt understand lol
[00:13:34] <Danimal_garage> thanks
[00:14:08] <PCW> page 8 of the manual
[00:14:18] <Danimal_garage> i guess my buddy just called you about the stuff he ordered for his mach to emc conversion
[00:14:45] <Danimal_garage> asking about the index pin z vs x
[00:16:55] <PCW> I notice I updated the manual to say mode 2 PWM in addition to up/down mode but did not put the updated manual on the website
[00:17:03] * JT-Shop listens to Don't mess with my Toot-Toot
[00:17:33] <Danimal_garage> PCW: maybe thats what got me
[00:17:43] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjGc2NdrAQ
[00:18:31] <PCW> As i get older I notice that I think I finished a lot of things I only 1/2 way finished
[00:18:43] <Danimal_garage> same here
[00:19:14] <Danimal_garage> i only put one sock on this morning, and it wasnt even on my foot
[00:20:28] <skunkKandT> I just hacked cradeks probing routines to find the center of a square. (outside perimeter.
[00:20:30] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: ever mess with suspended ceilings?
[00:20:41] <skunkKandT> it isn't pretty
[00:20:48] <skunkKandT> but seems to work ok
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[00:21:26] <Danimal_garage> im thinking of getting that suspended acoustic panneling for the shop, it's the only i can do it without a hell of a lot of work
[00:22:43] <Danimal_garage> there's wiring annd gas lines and bracing for earthquakes that prevent me from just hanging drywall
[00:23:05] <Danimal_garage> plus the fact that i need to be able to remove the panneling to get the drawbars out of the mills
[00:24:18] <skunkKandT> http://pastebin.com/YfEDvyzj
[00:25:35] <JT-Shop> Dan, yes
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[00:25:43] <skunkKandT> http://pastebin.com/mW53MPPm
[00:25:54] <skunkKandT> assumes a 5mm ball
[00:26:28] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: am i right to feel guilty about using it to take the easy way out?
[00:26:54] <JT-Shop> no, you can insulate the hell out of it after it is up
[00:27:13] <Danimal_garage> my only other option is to basically extend the rafters down 4 inches so i can hang drywall
[00:27:19] <Danimal_garage> thats the plan
[00:28:19] <JT-Shop> you need about 6" to 12" to hang a suspended ceiling to get the tiles in and out... depends on the size
[00:28:31] <Danimal_garage> it should be the quietest room in the house
[00:28:39] <Danimal_garage> hmm i read 3-4"
[00:29:23] <JT-Shop> it is possible but not much fun to hang it at 4"
[00:30:05] <JT-Shop> the wires are so short they are a pia and then if anything gets in the way you have to shuttle tiles across the room to get them in place
[00:31:44] <Danimal_garage> yea thats what i figured
[00:35:58] <PCW> 7I48 manual updated...
[00:37:06] <JT-Shop> Hello. This is a collect call to Mrs. Floyd from Mr. Floyd will you accept the charges from the United States?... he hung up... I wonder why he hung up
[00:39:17] <danimal_laptop> pink floyding it up, huh
[00:42:25] <JT-Shop> lol
[00:43:18] * danimal_laptop is spilling the wine and taking the girl
[00:43:48] <danimal_laptop> at the house of the rising sun
[00:48:18] <JT-Shop> nice
[00:48:31] <JT-Shop> Layla
[00:50:22] <Danimal_garage> Derek and the dominos or clapton solo?
[00:54:01] <JT-Shop> clapton
[00:54:22] <Tom_itx> of course
[00:54:30] * JT-Shop wanders inside to start chow
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[02:10:50] <ssi> freakin cold!
[02:10:52] <ssi> don't like it :'(
[02:25:11] <danimal_laptop> 76 here
[02:26:06] <Tom_L> it's supposed to get 'frigid' cold here in the next couple days
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[02:27:53] <Danimal_garage> same here, it might get into the 60's
[02:27:58] <Danimal_garage> :)
[02:28:52] <Tom_itx> pfft
[02:29:08] <Tom_itx> how you comin on the mill update?
[02:29:21] <Danimal_garage> working on the enclosure now
[02:29:32] <Tom_itx> did you ditch the big one?
[02:30:16] <Tom_itx> and did you find another transformer?
[02:31:36] <Danimal_garage> i ditched the nastiest one, i got another slightly smaller one to replace it, so there's 2 enclosures, 3 if you count the smaller one for the monitor and buttons
[02:31:56] <Danimal_garage> i got the old enclosure that i'm keeping all cleaned up and repainted
[02:32:14] <Danimal_garage> now im just laying out the pannel
[02:33:07] <Tom_itx> you know we expect pics right?
[02:34:08] <Danimal_garage> sure, when it's to the point where there's something to take pics of
[02:36:35] <Danimal_garage> i got a 24x20x11 enclosure and a 30x20x11 enclosure
[02:36:58] <Tom_itx> i wish i had a small one for mine
[02:37:02] <Danimal_garage> the bigger one is for the servo amps, computer, and mesa cards
[02:37:24] <Tom_itx> all the electrical pannels i find are too thin
[02:37:32] <Danimal_garage> the smaller one is for all ac stuff, power supply, and dc spindle controller
[02:37:35] <Tom_itx> and i'm not gonna spend much on it
[02:38:19] <Danimal_garage> i got a 24x14x4 for the touch screen, mpg, and buttons to go in
[02:38:33] <ssi> it's 38 here :P
[02:38:40] <Danimal_garage> look for machinery dismantlers, they'll usually be happy to give you one
[02:44:15] <Tom_itx> i've looked around the few surplus places i go but they don't deal alot in machinery
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[02:51:27] <danimal_laptop> neither does mine, but enclosures are plentiful there
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[03:31:01] <Danimal_garage> yay, computer tray is done!
[03:32:02] <Tom_itx> do you mount the pc in a case or just in the control box?
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[03:33:06] <Danimal_garage> in one of the enclosures
[03:34:15] <Danimal_garage> i made a streel frame that holds the motherboard, 5i20, hard drive, and power supply in less than an 8x8x8" cube
[03:34:31] <Danimal_garage> open frame chassis basically
[03:34:43] <Tom_itx> fanless mb?
[03:34:47] <Danimal_garage> yea
[03:34:55] <Danimal_garage> 525
[03:35:06] <Tom_itx> i think i'd put one on or near it somewhere
[03:35:07] <Tom_itx> yep
[03:35:35] <Tom_itx> or direct the case fan over it at least
[03:36:34] <Danimal_garage> i dont have any issues with the other machine
[03:36:41] <Danimal_garage> it has the same setup
[03:37:11] <Danimal_garage> arent they designed to be fanless?
[03:37:18] <Danimal_garage> i thought that was the point
[03:37:24] <Tom_itx> yeah
[03:37:40] <Tom_itx> i figured it could get pretty warm in a shop environment though
[03:37:57] <Tom_itx> my itx will cut out in the garage if it's a hot day
[03:38:08] <Tom_itx> it's old and has a cpu fan too
[03:38:17] <Danimal_garage> coolest room in the house, it's the only one with insulation and air conditioning lol
[03:39:51] <Danimal_garage> i think it'll be fine, it's a pretty big enclosure, and the heat sink for the servo drives are outside of it
[03:45:34] <jdhNC> any motor rebuilding experts?
[03:46:13] <jdhNC> I have a 1/4HP permanent magnet DC motor. One of the magnets came loose. Does it matter which way I put it back in?
[03:46:26] <Tom_itx> probably so
[03:46:42] <Tom_itx> check it against the other one and see if it attracts / repels if you turn it
[03:47:06] <jdhNC> depending on what part you get close to first, it does both, from each side
[03:47:44] <Tom_itx> look closely at how it was mounted to see if there are any signs as to which way it was oriented
[03:48:12] <jdhNC> nothing obvious, I tried that too
[03:48:29] <Tom_itx> it probably _does_ matter
[03:48:42] <jdhNC> I'm 50/50 on that.
[03:48:55] <jdhNC> I'm pretty sure that it really does matter, or it doesn't.
[03:53:53] <Tom_itx> that's the whole point of a dc motor, the field reverses as it passes by the magnet and is attracted to the other one. orientation matters.
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[06:28:37] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[07:37:09] <awallin> http://hackaday.com/2011/11/29/extreme-finger-painting-with-a-router/
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[14:10:16] <mrsun> sine bar + gauge block set on the way to me soon =)
[14:10:28] <mrsun> getting more and more stuff to do measurments etc with :P
[14:13:09] <FinboySlick> mrsun: I got myself a set of very cute tiny sine bars too recently.
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[16:12:07] <JT-Shop> anyone know how to make a file not be locked when you copy it to Ubuntu over the network?
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[16:14:37] <jdhNC> JT: umask?
[16:15:07] <jdhNC> or to just fix an existing problem, chmod
[16:16:22] <JT-Shop> well if I'm sitting here on the windoze computer and typing out a g code file then send it to say the lathe it's owner is nobody so I have to copy and paste or chmod to edit it
[16:16:43] <jdhNC> samba has a file create mask
[16:17:22] <JT-Shop> is that something you configure?
[16:17:30] <jdhNC> or you can make samba think your windows computer is your local user and the files will belong ot you
[16:17:46] <JT-Shop> how do I do that?
[16:19:11] <jdhNC> look in /etc/samba/smb.conf for the create mask
[16:19:32] <jdhNC> you can make it 775 if you don't really care about security
[16:20:50] <jdhNC> or you can set up a username map that will map that windows box to your local user so all files created/touched by the winbox will be owned by you
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[16:52:27] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[18:09:28] <IchGucksLive> Good evening all
[18:16:18] <danimal_laptop> good morning
[18:18:32] <IchGucksLive> wetter in CA ?
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[18:31:08] <pcw_home> Dry cool (~16C) and sunny
[18:35:28] <pcw_home> (unless you mean Canada)
[18:37:33] <IchGucksLive> no its almost dry and imean the Rhein has less water then in 1853 dry here in Germany
[18:38:09] <IchGucksLive> tomorrow we expect also 14C at the 1Dez no snow in the Alps
[18:46:23] <Thetawaves> -7C here
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[19:05:55] <danimal_laptop> its pretty warm here, probably 20c, sunny
[19:07:44] <Turtl3boi> it's not that warm here yet
[19:07:50] <Turtl3boi> down in chula Vista
[19:09:28] <danimal_laptop> maybe it just feels warmer because i was walking the dogs
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[19:14:16] <IchGucksLive> awallin: ?
[19:14:32] <IchGucksLive> someone nows on the url of awallins opencamlib
[19:17:59] <jdhNC> https://github.com/aewallin/opencamlib
[19:18:19] <IchGucksLive> Thanks
[19:18:34] <jdhNC> <- mad g00gle sk1llz
[19:28:08] <danimal_laptop> Turtl3boi: did your dad cave on the mill yet?
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[19:30:01] <Turtl3boi> no i haven't had a sit down discussion with him yet
[19:30:16] <Turtl3boi> he's hard to approach
[19:32:03] <Turtl3boi> that supermax is still available and i'm raging
[19:32:15] <Turtl3boi> i feel like buying it and just putting it in self storage
[19:32:47] <Turtl3boi> i'm raging more than when my dad grounded me from my r/c car after i built a little track in the backyard
[19:33:21] <danimal_laptop> lol grounded you? how old are you?
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[19:34:07] <danimal_laptop> oh past tense
[19:34:23] <Turtl3boi> long while ago when i had a Losi and RC10
[19:34:25] <Turtl3boi> lol
[19:34:41] <danimal_laptop> anyone know of an easy way to broach a blind 1/4" intearnal keyway?
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[19:36:14] <cradek> use a 1/4" square tool?
[19:36:23] <jdhNC> move on
[19:37:31] <jdhNC> (re: dad)
[19:37:42] <danimal_laptop> a square endmill?
[19:37:54] <cradek> no, like a lathe tool
[19:38:16] <danimal_laptop> yea i thought about shaping it but this is for production
[19:38:20] <danimal_laptop> hot rolled steel
[19:38:30] <cradek> oh, my sympathies then :-)
[19:38:36] <jdhNC> can you drill it then broach the radiuses?
[19:38:41] <danimal_laptop> i need something efficient and repeatable
[19:39:00] <cradek> sinker edm?
[19:39:03] <danimal_laptop> thought about that, i think it would just be a pain
[19:39:19] <cradek> can you change the design so it's at least not blind?
[19:39:33] <danimal_laptop> cradek: customer's part, can't really change it
[19:39:57] <danimal_laptop> it'll screw up a bearing surface if it goes through
[19:40:19] <jdhNC> does the blind end need to be flat/square or can it curve in at the end?
[19:40:21] <cradek> does it have to be square cornered, or is it just for a key?
[19:41:03] <cradek> yeah if it can be round, 1/4" carbide is a fairly stiff end mill
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[19:41:26] <danimal_laptop> it's for a key, i dont think round will cut it.
[19:41:46] <danimal_laptop> 400-500hp electric motor involved
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[19:42:06] <jdhNC> and a 1/4" key?
[19:42:10] <danimal_laptop> yea
[19:42:20] <danimal_laptop> 1 1/8 shaft
[19:42:38] <danimal_laptop> electric car
[19:42:59] <FinboySlick> A 500hp electric car sounds pretty neat ;)
[19:43:21] <danimal_laptop> most motors will be in the 200hp range, but i know of one which will be pretty high
[19:43:51] <FinboySlick> we just have to convince andy to don his egghead hat and invent us some proper supercapacitors.
[19:43:59] <cradek> you could make round-backed key stock for them!
[19:44:44] <danimal_laptop> i can send them out for outside processing i guess
[19:45:15] <cradek> I'd experiment with drilling or milling the majority of it and shaping the rest
[19:45:27] <danimal_laptop> it's 2" long
[19:45:35] <cradek> oh wow
[19:45:37] <danimal_laptop> makes it a bit of a pain
[19:45:46] <danimal_laptop> i think deflection is going to suck
[19:45:49] <cradek> yeah no kidding
[19:46:13] <danimal_laptop> even milling it
[19:46:35] <cradek> yeah 8*dia is way too long to mill
[19:46:59] <danimal_laptop> sinking it might be the best option
[19:47:10] <danimal_laptop> edm
[19:47:18] <cradek> but you can still drill the majority and shape, since your shaping tool can stick way out into the hole (think a 1/4" wide lathe parting tool)
[19:47:35] <cradek> sure but that's way slow
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[19:48:02] <cradek> do you have spindle orient and lock?
[19:48:15] <danimal_laptop> no
[19:48:21] <cradek> arg
[19:48:26] <danimal_laptop> lathe or mill?
[19:48:37] <danimal_laptop> mill, no
[19:48:39] <cradek> you can shape on either if you can lock the spindle
[19:49:00] <danimal_laptop> HNC can lock
[19:49:00] <FinboySlick> danimal_laptop: Just for the sake of my understanding, you need to mill 1/4" keyway in a 1 1/8" bore?
[19:49:10] <danimal_laptop> yes
[19:49:18] <cradek> 2" long
[19:49:33] <danimal_laptop> cradek: think the hnc is up to the task?
[19:49:41] <danimal_laptop> or too gutless?
[19:49:42] <FinboySlick> As in 2" deep in the bore, but that isn't going through the whole part?
[19:49:43] <cradek> you could tryit
[19:50:05] <danimal_laptop> yes
[19:51:09] <danimal_laptop> hmm there's a bit of slop in the lock
[19:51:18] <danimal_laptop> i could make a bigger one i guess
[19:51:48] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB4xUGZwUog
[19:51:52] <danimal_laptop> a slight taper to it
[19:53:02] <danimal_laptop> thats cool
[19:53:36] <cradek> skunkworks: looks like free-running spindle and g33
[19:53:37] <FinboySlick> If you have fairly fast movement, I'd be tempted to go the ramming a 1/4" wide tool until you hit the right depth, you could make the tool almost 1" thick so I doubt it would flex much.
[19:53:43] <mrsun> gah i need to become a doer ...
[19:53:58] <danimal_laptop> yea
[19:54:03] <danimal_laptop> i think it would work
[19:54:04] <FinboySlick> mrsun: You and I both! I still haven't put my new atom board to use
[19:54:07] <mrsun> boring a couple of holes and making a support for the lathes motor doesnt take a whole day, and then i would have a freakin lathe up and running
[19:54:35] <FinboySlick> mrsun: For me it's building an enclosure.
[19:54:36] <mrsun> i just complain all the time that its not running ... but do i do something about it? ... no and yes, i think alot on how to do it but then i never do it :P
[19:55:04] <mrsun> yeah i need to make some plates to protect the gears (old southbend clone lathe)
[19:55:06] <danimal_laptop> hell, the hnc tacoed a 1/8" thick plate of 6-4 titanium and cracked it as well when i accidentally rapided into it
[19:55:18] <FinboySlick> mrsun: There's a good side to this, you'll likely have your work all organized and planned when you do get to it.
[19:55:33] <mrsun> FinboySlick, yes, but it takes so long
[19:56:02] <mrsun> bought the freakin lathe half a year ago, the bushing was totaly worn out thanks to no one using oil in it the last centrury or two so ive made a new one and all
[19:56:37] <FinboySlick> mrsun: I have even less of an excuse than you. It's been a year and my mill is still brand new.
[19:56:50] <mrsun> haha =)
[19:56:55] <danimal_laptop> ooooh i got a furnace now, i can heat treat a nice piece of a-2 for the broaching tool
[19:57:11] <FinboySlick> mrsun: See? That's a doer.
[19:57:12] <mrsun> when going gets tough i decided to scrape my mill ... and well its been dismanteled for almost a year now :P
[19:57:21] <danimal_laptop> lol
[19:57:31] <FinboySlick> danimal_laptop: lead us, oh great guru of doing.
[19:57:35] <mrsun> haha :P
[19:57:39] <danimal_laptop> right....
[19:57:46] <mrsun> thing mostly for me is that i haev very little money
[19:57:53] <mrsun> so i lack the fundings for the tools i need =)
[19:57:56] <danimal_laptop> i've been on the interwebz all day, what makes me a doer?
[19:58:08] <mrsun> but now ive ordered sine bar and gauge bits so i can start making some more tools =)
[19:59:16] <Loetmichel> *grrr* ... working hard to get the wood cut straight on the bandsaw... and its smelling like burning wood... *hmm* mabe changing the blade would help? -> 2 minutes and the beechwood parts are cut to size and straight like a ruler , tooo... reminds me: that was the last new blar, getting some spare couldnt hurt ;-)
[19:59:19] <FinboySlick> mrsun: I say lack of money is just a convenient excuse. I have to actually work to figure out tools to buy so I don't pay too much taxes this year and I still don't get crap done.
[20:01:30] <FinboySlick> This reminds me... Since it was pretty much agreed that a C6 lathe isn't worth the money. Anything of similar or slightly smaller size you guys would recommend so I can add another to my collection of unused tools?
[20:01:48] <danimal_laptop> c6 corvette
[20:02:04] <danimal_laptop> better than a lathe
[20:02:38] <FinboySlick> Can't buy GM, they took government money.
[20:03:41] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: c6 to small?
[20:03:48] <Loetmichel> what should I say?
[20:04:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=520
[20:04:13] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: It's just a tad too big. I don't make very large parts.
[20:04:35] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=511
[20:04:40] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Ooooh, that's roughly the right size.
[20:04:48] <Loetmichel> sure?
[20:04:58] <Loetmichel> thats mm not inch!
[20:05:04] <FinboySlick> Anything just a tad bigger?
[20:05:05] <danimal_laptop> FinboySlick: i said the same thing and now i have 2 gm products
[20:05:16] <danimal_laptop> granted they are pre-bailout
[20:05:41] <FinboySlick> danimal_laptop: Hehe, I guess that's as good an excuse as any ;)
[20:06:03] <danimal_laptop> hard to find an SUV that gets 30mpg
[20:06:11] <danimal_laptop> and isnt expensive
[20:06:54] <jdhNC> mine gets 30mp2g
[20:07:06] <danimal_laptop> ha
[20:07:21] <FinboySlick> danimal_laptop: My car doesn't get 30mpg...
[20:07:52] <danimal_laptop> mine's pretty close
[20:08:07] <danimal_laptop> it's a little 4cyl 5 speed
[20:08:10] <Loetmichel> how much liters is a gallon?
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[20:08:17] <danimal_laptop> 3 i think
[20:08:18] <jdhNC> 3.8ish
[20:08:23] <danimal_laptop> ah
[20:08:53] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[20:09:12] <danimal_laptop> unfortunately it barely beats a civic off the line
[20:09:13] <Loetmichel> google says: my car is between 26 and 33 MPG
[20:09:17] <Loetmichel> ... diesel
[20:09:18] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: I do 10l/100km 'rural' driving, which is sort of halfway between city and highway.
[20:10:15] <FinboySlick> But I only feed it super.
[20:10:24] <Loetmichel> if i drive only highway it goes down to 39mpg, if i drive only city its at about 23 mpg
[20:10:57] <danimal_laptop> mine says 20-27mpg, but i beat the crap out of it and i average about 23mpg, city
[20:11:05] <Loetmichel> nice that google can convert any unit you throw at it ;-)
[20:11:13] <danimal_laptop> yea i like that
[20:11:49] <danimal_laptop> averaging 80mph i get a little better than 27mpg
[20:12:12] <danimal_laptop> runs better at 80 than 70
[20:12:36] <mrsun> when looking around at scraping stuff i get more and more sad over how badly made machines are
[20:12:37] <FinboySlick> My car does 0.1687 barrels/furlongs.
[20:12:54] <mrsun> "precision machine, we got about 1% of the surfaces mating at any given time"
[20:12:54] <danimal_laptop> lol
[20:13:13] <Loetmichel> hrhr, if i put the pedal to the metal i get only 15mpg out of it. but at 125mph ;-)
[20:15:37] <Loetmichel> if i put the autopilot in at 55mph i get about 52mpg out of it ;-)
[20:16:15] <Loetmichel> for germany its a relatively big car, vor america it runs under "economy car" i think.
[20:16:16] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: North america lacks proper diesel.
[20:16:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11675
[20:17:02] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12135
[20:17:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11969
[20:17:17] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11975
[20:17:52] <Loetmichel> its an opel omega caravan, 2,5liters 6 zylinders turbo diesel automatic
[20:18:12] <Danimal_garage> that might fit inside my van
[20:18:30] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: You make very adorable german-sounding typos ;)
[20:19:06] <Danimal_garage> haha
[20:20:02] <Loetmichel> hmm?
[20:20:06] <Loetmichel> which one?
[20:20:28] <FinboySlick> "vor america" and "6 zylinders"
[20:20:38] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[20:20:49] <Loetmichel> for and cylonders of course, sorry
[20:20:55] <Loetmichel> cylinders
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[20:21:23] <Loetmichel> in the us tha car was called Cadillac Catera i think
[20:21:27] <Danimal_garage> its more realistic for us if you type in an accent
[20:21:28] <Loetmichel> hte
[20:21:36] <Loetmichel> the
[20:21:45] <FinboySlick> Aww, don't correct it, I think the accent is very cute.
[20:22:02] <Danimal_garage> makes me feel like i'm at the international house of pancakes
[20:22:03] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: the accent is just lazyness
[20:22:09] <Loetmichel> i CAN do better ;-)
[20:22:24] <Loetmichel> -y+ie
[20:22:31] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Yeah, but we love you just the way you are.
[20:22:36] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[20:23:04] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Now if I were Jeremy Clarkson, I'd pick on you for having a plain-as-german boring silver car.
[20:24:08] <FinboySlick> No fin on the back, no stripes, no spinner wheels, no neon kit...
[20:24:38] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: the plain car was CHEAP (5000 eur in january), has executive-interior ( BC, seat heating, leather, cruise control, you name it), and can load 1900 liters to the window bottom ;-)
[20:25:06] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Well, I'm not Jeremy Clarkson. If I were it'd be a lot funnier.
[20:25:19] <Loetmichel> if you fold the back seats you get 2,05meter by 1,60 meters straight loading place
[20:25:35] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: let me guess: youre more like hamster?
[20:25:36] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[20:25:48] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Hamster is bigger than me ;)
[20:25:52] <Loetmichel> HARHAR
[20:26:07] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: But *I* can say squirrel.
[20:27:18] <Loetmichel> hihi
[20:27:28] <Loetmichel> i am more the type of cpt.slow
[20:28:11] <Loetmichel> like my wife says th her colleagues: "My husbad hasnt just a sixpack, he has a keg";-)
[20:28:32] <Loetmichel> s/th/to
[20:28:47] <FinboySlick> I'll remember that one.
[20:29:03] <jdhNC> is that better than a bushel of hops?
[20:29:19] <Loetmichel> <- googles bushel ;-)
[20:29:44] <Loetmichel> ah. hmm, dont know
[20:29:50] <Loetmichel> lets see...
[20:30:18] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12346 <- hmm, maybe ;-)
[20:30:40] <FinboySlick> See? German, serious.
[20:31:10] <Loetmichel> .... to think i was THIS guy not tooo long ago... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=3542
[20:31:30] <Thetawaves> i have a theory about germans
[20:31:33] * Thetawaves snickers
[20:32:19] * Loetmichel CAN do "smiling"! proof: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=9080 ;-)
[20:32:31] <Loetmichel> Thetawaves: lets hear it
[20:33:56] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: granted, the helicopter photo was shot about 22 jears ago ;-)
[20:34:47] <FinboySlick> Oooh... I'll treasure every one of those little typos.
[20:35:14] <Loetmichel> hrhr
[20:35:17] <Loetmichel> sorry again
[20:35:44] <Loetmichel> but i hope the meaning gets across ;-)
[20:35:54] <FinboySlick> Even more so.
[20:36:32] <FinboySlick> As danimal_laptop said, it sounds more realistic.
[20:36:42] <Loetmichel> so be it
[20:37:19] <FinboySlick> I do french-typos myself, but since it's so close to english, nobody notices.
[20:38:09] <Loetmichel> Thetawaves: so quiet?
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[20:38:22] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: He's building up the suspense.
[20:38:34] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: thought so ;)
[20:38:37] <FinboySlick> I'm trembling with expectation.
[20:38:59] <Loetmichel> maybe more like "fear of the own courage"?
[20:39:01] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[20:39:09] <Loetmichel> *poke*
[20:39:14] <Loetmichel> :-)
[20:39:40] <FinboySlick> I'm not familiar with that expression actually.
[20:39:53] <Loetmichel> i meant Thetawaves
[20:40:02] <FinboySlick> Is it like finland's sisu?
[20:40:37] <Loetmichel> no
[20:40:43] <Thetawaves> Loetmichel, i regret mentioning it cuz you look quite respectable
[20:40:53] <Loetmichel> more like "coward" ;-)
[20:40:53] <Thetawaves> not my target audience
[20:41:21] <Loetmichel> Thetawaves: i can cope with it, let it out ;-)
[20:41:35] <FinboySlick> Thetawaves: Yeah, you've built it up now.
[20:41:40] <FinboySlick> No going back.
[20:41:55] <Thetawaves> hahaha
[20:42:29] <FinboySlick> Besides, we can all go find ourselves a swede to pick on later.
[20:44:18] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: the expression means "to announce something and then retreat cowardly because fear of failing got greater than boldness"
[20:45:20] <Loetmichel> hrhr, the swedes are nice guys... mabe a french? i have some not so great experiences with them ... work related
[20:45:20] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: What's the german statement/word?
[20:45:43] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: "angst vor der eignen courage haben"
[20:45:52] <FinboySlick> Heh, they must have been from Paris.
[20:46:06] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: and from cholet
[20:46:08] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[20:46:41] <FinboySlick> We have a frenchman here... Poor guy, Quebec must be harder on the french than the british themselves.
[20:48:35] * FinboySlick loves the Swedes, they're like germany with a sense of humour ;)
[20:49:27] <Loetmichel> things like getting my boss to send me 1200km by car to cholet (near nantes) and teach them how to service our computers... and as i arrive there there are 6 of the 8 guys that should have attended, and *surprise* NONE of them speaks english.
[20:49:29] <Loetmichel> ...
[20:49:53] <Loetmichel> and i had made it TOTALLY clear that i can only teach in english or german ...
[20:50:20] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Yeah, typically french :)
[20:51:09] <Loetmichel> ... not my problem, i also know how to be arrogant.
[20:52:04] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Heh, Parisians pretend not to understand people from Quebec when we understand them perfectly well.
[20:52:10] <Loetmichel> <- "Get a translator here. i have no time to waste on doing "baby english" so you can understand me."
[20:53:07] <Loetmichel> second surprise: two of them suddenly remembered enough english to translate for the rest ;-)
[20:54:34] * Loetmichel made the 1200km drive, sleeped a night, did about 8 hours of teaching and work and drove 1200km back...
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[20:55:37] <Loetmichel> that was the time the company merc E-class only got 15mpg on the way back ;-)
[20:56:09] <Loetmichel> (floored it as soon as i crossed the german border ;-)
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[20:57:17] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: are you from quebec?
[21:03:13] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Yup.
[21:06:58] <Danimal_garage> oh, the canadian has the balls to make fun of other countries??? Pot_Kettle_black, aye?
[21:07:08] <Danimal_garage> lol
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[21:09:49] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: which country DIESNT make fun of others?
[21:09:54] <Loetmichel> DOESNT
[21:10:18] <Danimal_garage> America. We have respect for other countries. :)
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[21:10:43] <jdhNC> except for germany
[21:10:45] <Danimal_garage> Hard to type that with a straight face...
[21:10:52] <jdhNC> they are alwyas good for a laugh
[21:10:53] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: HARHARHAR
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[21:12:11] <Loetmichel> jdhNC: are we? -> http://xkcd.com/984/
[21:12:27] <andypugh> I was amused some time ago by the phrase "The Germans share a common sense of humour, on a strict rota basis" (Yes, I know it isn't true, unless my girlfriend has stolen it permanently)
[21:12:34] * Loetmichel puts some salt in the open wound ;-)
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[21:13:03] <Loetmichel> raota basis: one has it, than the next?
[21:13:10] <andypugh> Yes ;-)
[21:13:23] <Loetmichel> definetly not true, would not give mine to someone else ;-)
[21:14:21] <andypugh> I like this 6709 bearing. Not enough raceway for a code number, it's in the shield.
[21:14:24] <Loetmichel> but we HAVE uncanningly much people here in germany which you se NEVER smile.
[21:15:27] <Loetmichel> ... mostly as state employees ;-)
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[21:20:11] <CmdrData> Hi Loetmichel
[21:20:28] <Loetmichel> hmm?
[21:21:21] <CmdrData> I'm trying to measure atmospheric pressure now
[21:21:30] <CmdrData> I have a new MKS pressure transducer
[21:22:01] <CmdrData> I'm having trouble figuring out how to convert "inches" to standard PSIA units (which the MKS transducer outputs in)
[21:23:24] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Heh, I'm from Quebec, I'm not even supposed to have canadian identity ;) The bastards still worship the queen.
[21:23:49] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: let them
[21:24:00] <CmdrData> LoL queen worshipers
[21:24:03] <Loetmichel> she's a nice grany
[21:24:07] <Loetmichel> +n
[21:24:25] <andypugh> CmdrData: Inches of mercury, water, or an unspecified alternative fluid?
[21:24:41] <FinboySlick> Did you guys know we still have to send her a tribute of x tons of maple syrup every year?
[21:24:42] <CmdrData> i dunno, some website says the current pressure is "17.72 in"
[21:24:47] <Loetmichel> andypugh: thats what i wanted to ask
[21:24:53] <andypugh> I wish she was my granny, I would get better christmas presents.
[21:24:55] <CmdrData> it doesn't say whether inches of mercury or water
[21:25:06] <andypugh> CmdrData: Mercury
[21:25:16] <CmdrData> how do i convert to PSIA
[21:25:27] <FinboySlick> CmdrData: Wolfram Alpha can do that for you.
[21:25:34] <CmdrData> my pressure transducer says the current pressure is 14.74 PSI
[21:25:41] <Loetmichel> whats the A?
[21:25:47] <Loetmichel> i know psi
[21:25:49] <jdhNC> absolute
[21:25:51] <CmdrData> A = absolute, as opposed to G
[21:25:53] <jdhNC> vs. guage
[21:25:57] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[21:26:01] <CmdrData> G = Gauge or Gage which means a relative measurement
[21:26:09] <CmdrData> PSIG and PSIA are common for pressure transducerfs
[21:26:22] <Loetmichel> relative to enviroemt pressure i presume?
[21:26:42] <CmdrData> yeah so it would read "0.00" if the pressure is 1.00 atmosphere
[21:27:15] <Loetmichel> hmmm
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[21:28:12] <andypugh> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=inches+of+mercury+to+psi
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[21:29:20] <CmdrData> yes i realize that the conversion is roughly 2:1
[21:29:22] <andypugh> CmdrData: Only true if the current ambient is 1.00atm.
[21:29:26] <CmdrData> but then it wouldn't make sense
[21:29:35] <CmdrData> 17.72 in times 2 is about 35 PSI
[21:29:38] <cradek> 17.72 doesn't sound like ~ 1atm in inHg
[21:29:50] <andypugh> No, but it isn't water either.
[21:29:56] <CmdrData> which doesn't jive with my reading of 14.74 PSIA
[21:29:56] <cradek> nope
[21:30:16] <cradek> % units 14.74psi inHg
[21:30:17] <cradek> * 30.010945
[21:30:29] <cradek> 30 is about right
[21:30:57] <jdhNC> 29.92 sounds familiar for 1ata
[21:31:11] <CmdrData> forget that website
[21:31:15] <jdhNC> for sea level and whatever else is standard
[21:31:21] <CmdrData> i think it's some weird inches unit
[21:31:36] <CmdrData> another website looks more standard and says the pressure is "29.88 in"
[21:32:05] <andypugh> Your 17.72 is (curiously) exactly right for inches of Osmium.
[21:32:14] <cradek> haha
[21:32:23] <CmdrData> Rofl
[21:32:35] <CmdrData> Osmium is not a liquid metal is it?
[21:32:45] <andypugh> It is if it is hot enough
[21:32:45] <CmdrData> well, at standard pressure and temperature
[21:32:54] <CmdrData> lolol
[21:33:10] <CmdrData> cool, they setup a heated barometer and then back calculated based on normal temp
[21:33:41] <andypugh> The web is probably the worst place to look for atmoshperic pressure, being not at all local.
[21:33:52] <CmdrData> http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/San_Diego.html
[21:34:01] <CmdrData> that's where i got the "17.72 in" from
[21:34:40] <jdhNC> those are california inches
[21:34:53] <CmdrData> hahaha
[21:35:09] <CmdrData> is that why californians speed on the highway so much
[21:35:10] <FinboySlick> jdhNC: I hear everything is bigger in Texas.
[21:35:40] <jdhNC> that one weather station seems to be way off
[21:35:47] <andypugh> Osmium does make the shortest possible barometer, it isn't the least logical choice.
[21:36:06] <jdhNC> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=san+diego
[21:36:17] <jdhNC> all the other san diegos look normal
[21:36:46] <CmdrData> i'm reading 30.001 in Hg right now on my transducer but it says it's supposed to be 29.88
[21:37:18] <Loetmichel> who supposed?
[21:37:30] <andypugh> Yeah, it can vary on a scale of miles.
[21:37:45] <CmdrData> some derp-tastic meteorologist took that reading in San Diego, CA
[21:37:47] <jdhNC> perhaps it is inaccurate, your a/d conversion is bad
[21:38:04] <CmdrData> Thanks jdhNC, you really investigated that for me
[21:38:22] <CmdrData> Yeah good point it could be my voltmeter is out of calibration
[21:38:44] <CmdrData> heh this could be a good way to calibrate my voltmeter actually
[21:39:11] <jdhNC> I have some freescale transducers and had a similar problem
[21:40:27] <CmdrData> i have the same freescale transducers lol
[21:40:34] <CmdrData> from some free event i went to
[21:40:52] <jdhNC> I paid ~$13 for mine
[21:41:03] <CmdrData> hahaha
[21:41:09] <jdhNC> what are you using for zero?
[21:41:17] <CmdrData> what do you mean
[21:41:38] <jdhNC> mine have a 4.5v span, but the zero is like 200mV nominal
[21:42:28] <jdhNC> but, it doesn't have to be 200mV
[21:43:48] <CmdrData> oh it's 0 to 5V span
[21:43:57] <CmdrData> 0 volts is 0 pressure
[21:44:00] <jdhNC> which one?
[21:44:14] <CmdrData> the MKS Baratron 850B
[21:44:46] <CmdrData> actually yeah 0 V is hard to read by an A/D converter on a microcontroller
[21:44:55] <CmdrData> would be nice if I could offset the zero point a bit above 0 volts
[21:45:05] <CmdrData> i see two adjustments on it for "zero" and "span"
[21:46:00] <jdhNC> I have some others similar to that. I have them hooked up to an ADS1100 i2c 16bit ADC
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[21:47:12] <CmdrData> you have to read out the values via i2c?
[21:47:26] <CmdrData> holy crap 16 bits wow
[21:47:37] <jdhNC> transducer->ADC->i2c->AVR
[21:48:58] <jdhNC> microcontroller built-in ADC's tend to suck.
[21:49:17] <CmdrData> wait are you saying the ADC outputs serially in another format, and then you have a separate IC doing the serial to i2c conversion
[21:49:28] <CmdrData> or does the ADC have a built-in i2c bus
[21:49:47] <jdhNC> the ADC chip has built in i2c
[21:50:03] <CmdrData> genius.....pure genius.
[21:50:08] <CmdrData> gotta get me on eo fthose
[21:50:14] <fragalot> 'cos it's T-N-T, it's dynamite!
[21:50:24] <fragalot> somehow ADC's remind me of acdc
[21:50:25] <jdhNC> they are cheap (for the slowish ones)
[21:50:25] <CmdrData> ?
[21:50:48] <CmdrData> do you also have an MKS brand transducer? and do you think it is very accurate enough to read barometric pressure fluctuations
[21:50:51] <jdhNC> actually I got all the ADS1100's free from TI as samples
[21:51:07] <CmdrData> ADS is analog devices dude
[21:51:20] <jdhNC> s/TI/ADS/
[21:51:41] <CmdrData> can you show me a pic of your pressure transducer
[21:51:47] <CmdrData> or at least the model # and make
[21:51:57] <jdhNC> I don't recall what my clunky metal ones are
[21:52:16] <jdhNC> mine are like 0-6kpsi, so they would not be suitable for atmospsheric
[21:57:08] <CmdrData> do you think they are sensitive enough to measure barometric fluctuations in the atmosphere
[21:57:19] <CmdrData> i mean, the one i have
[21:57:52] <CmdrData> because the pressure that it's made for is in the range of 0 to 50 PSIA which is more or less the same order of magnitude as atmospheric pressure
[21:58:22] <A2Sheds> CmdrData: can you raise the reference ground for your transducer?
[21:58:41] <CmdrData> yes it appears that i can, why?
[21:58:56] <CmdrData> actually yeah that would be the same as offsetting the zero point right
[21:59:01] <A2Sheds> yeah
[21:59:04] <CmdrData> from the point of view of the ADC it would be
[21:59:06] <A2Sheds> either way
[21:59:06] <CmdrData> damn, good point
[21:59:16] <CmdrData> so many smart ppl on this channel
[21:59:37] <A2Sheds> raise the bridge or lower the river
[22:00:18] <CmdrData> i prefer your method because then i won't have to mess with calibration
[22:00:31] <Loetmichel> basic circuit skills
[22:00:33] <CmdrData> if i fool around with the zero/span settings then it will be hard to get it accurate again
[22:00:41] <Loetmichel> nothing advanced.
[22:00:48] <CmdrData> Loetmichel, i am an analog and RF engineer and i did not even think of that
[22:01:01] <CmdrData> i guess i've been dealing with AC signals for far too long =p
[22:01:01] <Loetmichel> CmdrData; normal
[22:01:11] <A2Sheds> nots, it's pure genius
[22:01:25] <CmdrData> it is a slick idea that most ppl don't think of these days
[22:01:38] <Loetmichel> i have to get out rf enginer grounded all the time
[22:01:43] <Loetmichel> pun intendet
[22:02:14] <Loetmichel> s/out our
[22:02:43] <CmdrData> lol i don't get the pun
[22:03:12] <Loetmichel> electrical (wristband) AND metaphorical
[22:03:15] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[22:04:02] <CmdrData> haha
[22:04:08] <CmdrData> nobody wears those wristbands
[22:04:12] <Loetmichel> the companya i work for makes tempes shielded computers
[22:04:15] <Loetmichel> we do
[22:04:18] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[22:04:20] <CmdrData> if my company made me wear wristbands i would quit the same day
[22:04:25] <CmdrData> those things don't do a damn thing
[22:04:38] <Loetmichel> tempest
[22:04:40] <CmdrData> they are a gimmick to make more money
[22:05:07] <Loetmichel> thats right but if one has a esd workplace they are mandatory in germany
[22:05:09] <CmdrData> the only reason you would wear them is to satisfy product manufacturing standards for a military-industrial complex manufacturing scheme
[22:05:28] <CmdrData> in other words, a over burdened westernized maniacal white man company
[22:05:34] <Loetmichel> CmdrData: you know whar tempest is?
[22:05:38] <Loetmichel> what
[22:05:41] <CmdrData> no lol
[22:05:52] <Loetmichel> eavesdropping
[22:06:02] <CmdrData> tempest is eavesdropping?
[22:06:14] <CmdrData> i'm confused, what is tempest
[22:06:32] <Loetmichel> tempest is a attack on computers and monitors by RF
[22:07:21] <CmdrData> OH....
[22:07:24] <Loetmichel> my company makes hardened computers, ruggend and /or shielded against such
[22:07:38] <CmdrData> so is "tempest" the attack or the shielding to prevent the attack?
[22:07:42] <Loetmichel> ... mostly for the military
[22:07:52] <Loetmichel> the attack
[22:08:03] <CmdrData> interesting, i never heard about that before
[22:08:04] <Loetmichel> www.cordsen.com
[22:08:25] <Loetmichel> is the company i work for
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[22:09:18] <CmdrData> jesus germany must have a lot of classified information still
[22:09:36] <CmdrData> probably third only to russia and USA
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[22:11:04] <CmdrData> can you get me a job?
[22:11:12] <Loetmichel> no
[22:11:13] <CmdrData> Loetmichel, are there any jobs available soon?
[22:11:17] <CmdrData> for an american
[22:11:21] <CmdrData> darnit
[22:12:23] <Danimal_garage> jobs are overrated
[22:12:40] <Loetmichel> no, 'cause wre struggeling to get enough work for the few ppl left
[22:13:14] <CmdrData> can i talk to you on shortwave radio?
[22:13:21] <CmdrData> do you own a 30m radio
[22:13:25] <CmdrData> or 10m
[22:13:37] <Loetmichel> CmdrData: no license
[22:13:46] <Loetmichel> an no radio either
[22:13:49] <CmdrData> oh ok
[22:13:58] <CmdrData> can i skype you to practice my german?
[22:14:13] <Loetmichel> no, no skype account eiter ;-)
[22:14:31] <Loetmichel> ... and no facebook or twitter ;)
[22:14:40] <Tom_itx> he's not very helpful is he?
[22:15:25] <CmdrData> Darn I want to practice my german badly
[22:15:44] <CmdrData> i expected him to have a shortwave radio
[22:15:53] <CmdrData> guess i'm too oldschool
[22:16:09] <Loetmichel> i had
[22:16:16] <Loetmichel> illegaly
[22:16:42] <Loetmichel> but since the internet theres no linger a need for it
[22:17:05] <Tom_itx> they will get you used to it then take it away from you
[22:17:07] <Tom_itx> then what?
[22:17:28] <Loetmichel> so i never made the license reqired in germany for any tx outside ism
[22:17:47] <CmdrData> sigh
[22:18:38] <A2Sheds> cq cq cqdx
[22:19:43] <Loetmichel> anyone on this qrg?
[22:19:45] <CmdrData> lol tempest shielded office equipment
[22:19:47] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[22:20:07] <CmdrData> c'mon a printer?
[22:20:09] <Loetmichel> CmdrData:why lol?
[22:20:16] <CmdrData> it seems ridiculous to me
[22:20:41] <CmdrData> because most top secret information would be stolen by an employee directly
[22:21:37] <Loetmichel> CmdrData. right, but not our field of expertise ;)
[22:21:54] <CmdrData> cool
[22:22:10] <CmdrData> i'm sure you sell lots of stuff to Northrop Grumman, General Atomics, etc
[22:22:23] <Loetmichel> no
[22:22:48] <Loetmichel> but to the french, te germans, even the russians
[22:23:04] <Loetmichel> ... bit no americans the last year
[22:23:07] <Loetmichel> s
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[22:26:40] <CmdrData> Loten michel means Michel who welds?
[22:26:56] <CmdrData> L (o with two dots over it) ten
[22:29:57] <andypugh> The UK used to have more secret information then the Germans, but a Civil Servant left it on a bus.
[22:30:54] <Danimal_garage> lol
[22:31:12] <Danimal_garage> did he get promoted?
[22:33:07] <A2Sheds> how did they know it was left by accident? They could have left it there with false info to throw people off track.
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[22:35:29] <andypugh> You credit our civil servants with too much competence.
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[22:36:12] <mrsun> http://i42.tinypic.com/23w1pqp.jpg smart anvil =)
[22:36:23] <andypugh> (Like the US guys who really believe that their government is capable of hiding a secret as big as Roswell conspiracy theorists belive exist)
[22:36:26] <danimal_laptop> A2Sheds: i wouldn't give it much though, it was only the Queen's famous fish n chips recepie
[22:36:34] <danimal_laptop> thought*
[22:37:16] <andypugh> mrsun: How does the vice part work?
[22:37:34] <mrsun> andypugh, you just crank it and it holds just like an usual vice? :)
[22:37:52] <andypugh> OK, no bar?
[22:37:58] <mrsun> no bar ?
[22:38:08] <mrsun> dont know if something is missing
[22:38:13] <mrsun> found the picture at practical machinist =)
[22:38:23] <andypugh> I have to say, if I saw that, I would buy it :-)
[22:38:56] <mrsun> as a wannabe blacksmith also im realy thinking of adding something like that to my usual anvil =)
[22:39:05] <mrsun> as holding stuff can be such a freakin PITA =)
[22:39:43] <archivist> dont have time for a vice during hot hammer work :)
[22:40:10] <mrsun> archivist, when wanting to single handed puch holes etc it can be a real good thing =)
[22:40:22] <mrsun> atm i have just a chain running over the anvil to "hold" stuff
[22:40:29] <A2Sheds> I want a magic vise, holds anything at any angle, without getting in the way of the tool
[22:40:35] <mrsun> (ofc i have a threadle hammer also to do 3rd hand hard hitting) =)
[22:41:03] <archivist> make a steam hammer for real fun :)
[22:41:32] <mrsun> wouldnt want steam power close to me in any way :P
[22:41:43] <mrsun> tho going to one day build myself a air hammer =)
[22:42:22] <mrsun> and with the knowledge im collecting atm at the rate im doing it i think i could build a damn good one that wold hold up for a while :P
[22:42:24] <cncbasher> qrz ?
[22:42:41] <archivist> mrsun, http://www.claymills.org.uk/tour/smithy.html
[22:43:21] <mrsun> does cast iron hold any benefits to real steel in machines?
[22:43:26] <archivist> you can just see the hammer drivers head behind the hammer
[22:43:54] <archivist> cast dampens vibration
[22:44:02] <mrsun> ahh
[22:44:38] <mrsun> was thinking incase i want to make a milling table or something i know a guy who has 500kg air hammers =)
[22:44:52] <mrsun> and could make forged tables for me at any given size :P
[22:45:06] <archivist> better use cast iron
[22:45:21] <mrsun> harder to get cast iron if i want some special profile on stuffs :PO
[22:45:30] <mrsun> ok a milling table would be just a square piece
[22:45:34] <mrsun> but other stuff =)
[22:46:01] <archivist> just pattern making and any shape possible
[22:46:16] <mrsun> archivist, problem is melting the damn thing :P
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[22:47:10] <andypugh> mrsun: Talking of balcksmithing, have you seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIbObCltfQ&feature=related
[22:47:44] <mrsun> mm =)
[22:47:59] <mrsun> watched like everything blacksmithing related on youtube
[22:48:00] <mrsun> :P
[22:48:20] <andypugh> Actualy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_LA_R4ifYk&feature=related is better (the sections are in the wrong order)
[22:48:22] <mrsun> need to get my smithy ready ... but alot of work left :/
[22:48:53] <andypugh> The gangs of half a dozen men all beating the same bit of metal are amazing.
[22:48:55] <mrsun> need to get the wood working workshop done first as that atleast gives some money =)
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[22:50:14] <A2Sheds> that's when chains were chains
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[22:50:38] <CmdrData> mrsun, do you work on wood?
[22:50:51] <mrsun> CmdrData, doing some stuff for christmas thingies :P
[22:51:12] <CmdrData> does it make any money yet?
[22:51:16] <mrsun> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UIKY9LAnC2E/TPP-VPUQVEI/AAAAAAAAAe4/gvjWQpY8ukg/s1600/IMG_2588.JPG
[22:51:20] <mrsun> CmdrData, every year
[22:51:27] <mrsun> selling 50 - 100 of them
[22:51:50] <CmdrData> is that for hannukah
[22:52:07] <mrsun> (thats not one we have done, we are two of us that does it, different models)
[22:52:10] <mrsun> hannukah ?
[22:52:12] <mrsun> wtf is that :P
[22:52:20] <CmdrData> i wouldn't know lol
[22:52:23] <mrsun> its for the month before christmas whatever its called :P
[22:52:35] <mrsun> "advent" in sweden :P
[22:52:37] <andypugh> Just thinking that is, technically, not Christmassy
[22:52:51] <CmdrData> lol that's the same as hannukah
[22:52:57] <CmdrData> celebrating the month b4 xmas
[22:53:16] <mrsun> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Stephen_and_Herod
[22:53:25] <CmdrData> it's not christmassy because i don't see any green and red
[22:53:48] <Loetmichel> CmdrData: no, loeten is soldering
[22:54:09] <mrsun> father sold the place we were making them last year, and now we only have my cellar to be in :P
[22:54:19] <mrsun> so restoring the outhouse for a wood working shop =))
[22:54:21] <CmdrData> Michel the solderer
[22:54:28] <CmdrData> you have an outhouse?
[22:54:33] <CmdrData> a bathroom outside?
[22:54:36] <mrsun> or barn or whatever :P
[22:54:37] <mrsun> haha
[22:54:45] <CmdrData> oh ok cool
[22:54:46] <mrsun> trying to translate from swedish here
[22:54:48] <Loetmichel> no, why?
[22:54:55] <andypugh> Ah, OK, I am not sure what 7 is. It seems (from Wikipedia) that the Hanukkah Menorah is 9-branched
[22:54:57] <CmdrData> LoL
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[22:56:00] <Loetmichel> mrsun: hannukah is the jewish "christmas"
[22:56:11] <mrsun> ok im not jewish =)
[22:56:15] <CmdrData> i take it there aren't many jewish people in sweden
[22:56:32] <Loetmichel> as in tne biggest religous holyday in the year
[22:56:46] <mrsun> atleast sait stephen was christian :P
[22:57:48] <CmdrData> i wish i could have christmas in sweden with all the snow and real reindeer
[22:58:11] <DaViruz_> we have zero snow so far
[22:58:18] <Loetmichel> CmdrData; than you have to go WAY up north this year.
[22:58:28] <DaViruz_> this is probably the most snowless year i've seen in my life
[22:58:30] <CmdrData> why?
[22:58:37] <Loetmichel> over here in germany there is NO sigh of a snowflake
[22:58:41] <CmdrData> where do you DaViruz
[22:58:42] <DaViruz_> (i'm from sweden)
[22:58:43] <andypugh> I am going to Rovaniemi in january. That should be far enough north.
[22:58:50] <CmdrData> where do you live*
[22:58:51] <Loetmichel> and its about 10c PLUS
[22:58:53] <mrsun> CmdrData, doesnt look like we get much snow and real reindeer? :P
[22:59:03] <DaViruz_> yeah, 10 degC here too
[22:59:12] <DaViruz_> wicked
[22:59:23] <mrsun> meterological winter has taken like 0.001% of the country so far :P
[22:59:31] <mrsun> usaly we have -20 degrees at this time of year ;P
[22:59:37] <mrsun> degC
[22:59:52] <andypugh> Saw -43 on the car sensor last year.
[23:00:07] <Loetmichel> andypugh: isnt that a city in finland?
[23:00:09] <andypugh> (At that point it doesn't matter if you are using F or C)
[23:00:25] <CmdrData> why do you think the winter is so late this year
[23:00:25] <mrsun> -40 they join right ?
[23:00:29] <andypugh> Loetmichel: Yes.
[23:00:35] <mrsun> CmdrData, fluke of nature
[23:00:42] <CmdrData> or global warming?
[23:00:45] <mrsun> gah
[23:00:49] <mrsun> dont even get people started
[23:00:55] <mrsun> global shlobal =)
[23:01:07] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[23:01:16] <CmdrData> i want to drive my Volvo in Sweden
[23:01:27] <DaViruz_> yeah last year we had the coldest winter i can rememver
[23:01:32] <DaViruz_> must be due to global warming!
[23:01:35] <CmdrData> I also would not mind going to Finland
[23:01:40] <mrsun> im just happy for every day i dont hae to mess with that damn snow =)
[23:01:43] <andypugh> Global Warming would make winter a day or two late (on the projected curve). What we are talking about here is technically called "The Weather"
[23:01:46] <Loetmichel> -40c... the lappe kicks the tyre of his VW ands starts his lada ;-)
[23:02:29] <andypugh> He won't start his diesel Lada at -40.
[23:03:05] <andypugh> The big problem is that the battery chemistry stops working, so you can't crank.
[23:03:42] <andypugh> When it was -40 last year we were putting cars in the fridges to warm them up to -30....
[23:03:52] <DaViruz_> even gasoline is a bitich to ignite at -40
[23:04:04] <CmdrData> really
[23:04:14] <CmdrData> what's -40C in fahrenheit
[23:04:21] <andypugh> -40F
[23:04:23] <DaViruz_> about the same
[23:04:40] <CmdrData> huh?
[23:05:03] <DaViruz_> you're commander data, surely you must have that information in your data banks
[23:05:21] <andypugh> C and F cross at -40.
[23:05:32] <CmdrData> lol wtf
[23:05:46] <CmdrData> i didn't think about that, i assumed -40C would be like -100 F
[23:05:58] <DaViruz_> mr farenheit thought i could create absolute zero with ice and salt
[23:06:09] <DaViruz_> he*
[23:06:12] <andypugh> That's not quite fair
[23:06:16] <CmdrData> so where do you live Viruz?
[23:06:21] <DaViruz_> still sweden
[23:06:30] <CmdrData> still?
[23:06:37] <CmdrData> or is Still the name of the city
[23:06:44] <DaViruz_> 23:58:41 < CmdrData> where do you DaViruz
[23:06:44] <DaViruz_> 23:58:42 < DaViruz_> (i'm from sweden)
[23:06:49] <Danimal_garage> lol
[23:06:59] <CmdrData> Oh sorry i didn't see that earlier (derp)
[23:07:01] <DaViruz_> i have a still in my garage it that counts ;)
[23:07:18] <andypugh> -40C is -14.5 Rømer
[23:07:23] <CmdrData> i see the pressure has increased from 30.00 to 30.11 in the last hour
[23:07:33] <CmdrData> does that mean it's going to get hotter soon
[23:07:38] <andypugh> +210 on the Newton scale...
[23:07:50] <DaViruz_> andypugh: well at the other point of his scale he chose human body temperature, another entirely arbitrary temperature
[23:07:55] <DaViruz_> i can't forgive that
[23:08:01] <CmdrData> hahaha
[23:08:07] <mrsun> hmm, how to scrape a true square corner ...
[23:08:15] <DaViruz_> and to make matters worse he made it 96 degrees
[23:08:33] <DaViruz_> every detail of the farenheit scale is fucked up
[23:08:43] <CmdrData> you just love Celsius cuz he's swedish
[23:09:02] <andypugh> I think we should use Kelvin
[23:09:07] <CmdrData> in reality swedish cannot engineer a car as well as germans
[23:09:19] <CmdrData> you just like Kelvin because he's scottish
[23:09:36] <CmdrData> ergo, you must wear a kilt
[23:09:43] <DaViruz_> no i like it because it is based on two transistion temperatures of one of the most abundant compound on earth
[23:09:50] <CmdrData> Pugh is also a gaelic name
[23:09:57] <CmdrData> i figured you guys all out already
[23:10:08] <DaViruz_> kelvin would be fine too
[23:10:15] <andypugh> (Actually, back to the global warming thing, folk might be more prepared to believe that we can influence the climate if they realised that the projected increase is 4 degrees in 300, not in 20.
[23:10:17] <DaViruz_> but i don't see it getting widespread use anytime soon
[23:10:42] <andypugh> Pugh is a Welsh name.
[23:10:44] <CmdrData> 4 degreees is a lot dude
[23:10:45] <DaViruz_> 4 degrees in 300 what?
[23:10:57] <CmdrData> 300 years
[23:11:06] <CmdrData> 300 jahre
[23:11:26] <andypugh> 4 degrees increase on a current level of around 300.
[23:11:27] <DaViruz_> and furthermore, i drave a german car, and i don't like any of the swedish car brands very much
[23:11:44] <CmdrData> Volvo was the shit back when i bought mine
[23:11:52] <DaViruz_> andypugh: level of 300 what?
[23:11:59] <andypugh> degrees
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[23:12:06] <DaViruz_> 300 degrees, that's hot
[23:12:14] <DaViruz_> (i don't get it)
[23:12:25] <CmdrData> 4 degrees in 300 years
[23:12:29] <CmdrData> not in 20 years
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[23:13:07] <DaViruz_> CmdrData: that's not what he said
[23:13:27] * JT-Shop hates loosing internet right in the middle of a conversation
[23:13:36] <CmdrData> i guess i'm dumb then
[23:14:00] <andypugh> No. What I am saying is that average ambient temperature is somewhere are around 280K. An increase of 4 degrees on top of that isn't a very large proportional change. Unlike comparing a 4 degree increase to an ambient of 15.
[23:14:21] <DaViruz_> andypugh: i see
[23:14:31] <DaViruz_> kelvin isn't expressed in degrees
[23:15:02] <DaViruz_> i guess that's why i lost you
[23:15:10] <andypugh> (I read a report from a yacht skipper a while back talking about "the temperature has doubled in less than a day". I hope not)
[23:15:50] <andypugh> DaViruz_: I never gave the 300 in degrees, just the increase. :-)
[23:16:00] <DaViruz_> i asked 300 what, and you said degrees
[23:16:01] <DaViruz_> :)
[23:16:38] <andypugh> Yes, well, err, I was discussing singing groups of the 60s at that point..
[23:17:09] <mrsun> haha he got the discussion started
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[23:18:04] <DaViruz_> also, saying that the temperature doubled, even if he is referring to the celsius scale or something, seems like a pratty lame observation to make
[23:18:12] <DaViruz_> that informatino is entirely useless
[23:18:23] <DaViruz_> and could even mean that it got colder if it was already sub-zero
[23:18:28] <andypugh> Quite. I winced as I read it.
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[23:27:46] <mrsun> hmm, to make a perfect square couldnt one just setup a stop, set the dial indicator at the top of the piece (that is already flat and standed on its edge) then put it in to the indicator, take a zero reading, turn it around and check the other side, if it diffs, then tis not square, if it ends up at the same on both sides it should be square right? :)
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[23:30:41] <DaViruz_> i need to move my washing machine up 6 stairs.
[23:30:58] <DaViruz_> i want an elevator :(
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[23:35:13] <mrsun> ropes in the window! :P
[23:36:25] <DaViruz_> skylift via balcony?
[23:37:02] <DaViruz_> maybe i'll just get a house instead
[23:39:04] <CmdrData> bbl guys
[23:39:09] <CmdrData> gonna go buy mexican food
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[23:46:06] <andypugh> Hmm, what do you think? http://imagebin.org/186430
[23:47:09] <andypugh> I was going to extend the brass part and use a threaded collar, but the 4 screws does anti-rotation too. Rather more watchmaking than engineering though (those would be M1.6 screws)
[23:49:18] <DaViruz_> ooh metric!
[23:49:23] <DaViruz_> :)
[23:50:23] <andypugh> Do they make Imperial screws that small? (I know that Whitworth went down to 0.010" / 1000tpi..
[23:51:53] <DaViruz_> that's pretty small
[23:52:01] <DaViruz_> the smallest metric tap i've seen was M0.3
[23:53:26] <andypugh> I think there is an M0.25 (which is very close to 0.010")
[23:53:50] <Tom_itx> what the heck would you use something like that for?
[23:54:09] <andypugh> Watches?
[23:54:29] <andypugh> I have used M1 (and they felt a bit big in the application)
[23:54:30] <Tom_itx> that's even small for that isn't it?
[23:54:34] <DaViruz_> the tap i saw was in a store that sold supplies to people building scale replicas of trains
[23:55:54] <andypugh> http://www.sciencemuseumconservation.blogspot.com/ ?
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