#emc | Logs for 2011-11-28

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[00:13:18] <danimal_laptop> pcw_home: is your site down?
[00:13:35] <JT-Shop> works for me Dan
[00:14:04] <danimal_laptop> hmm not for me
[00:15:08] <danimal_laptop> on 2 computers
[00:16:08] <danimal_laptop> nothing is .working right for me today...
[00:16:42] * JT-Shop hands danimal_laptop a pink lemonade from the malt shop downtown
[00:16:56] <danimal_laptop> thanks..
[00:17:05] <andypugh> www.mesanet.com is down for me too. Try freeby.mesanet.com
[00:17:18] <danimal_laptop> good, it's not just me
[00:17:30] <andypugh> freeby is up though.
[00:18:07] <JT-Shop> that's funny http://mesanet.com/ works but www.mesanet.com does not
[00:18:58] <andypugh> You will find that ww.mesanet.com works too. I think Pete has said that www. gets diverted to the commercial server, but everything else picks up his local machine.
[00:19:20] <JT-Shop> interesting
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[00:22:08] <danimal_laptop> im trying to figure out what i had to change in the hal file for the 7i48
[00:22:21] <danimal_laptop> i think it was the output type and frequency
[00:22:27] <danimal_laptop> but i cant remember
[00:22:31] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, what did you settle on for a pc for it?
[00:22:48] <danimal_laptop> 525
[00:22:56] <Tom_itx> the cheap intel one?
[00:23:29] <danimal_laptop> d525mw
[00:23:31] <danimal_laptop> yea
[00:23:38] <Tom_itx> good
[00:23:39] <danimal_laptop> $75 or so
[00:23:48] <Tom_itx> now i know somebody that has one beside me
[00:24:07] <danimal_laptop> does it work ok for you?
[00:24:21] <Tom_itx> so far it works fine
[00:24:22] <JT-Shop> that is different from my D525?
[00:24:32] <Tom_itx> i don't use it regular or continuous
[00:24:34] <danimal_laptop> i dunno
[00:24:40] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, probably not
[00:24:50] <Tom_itx> this it the genuine intel one i think
[00:25:04] <Tom_itx> $75 from newegg
[00:25:12] <JT-Shop> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
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[00:25:26] <JT-Shop> ^^ that is the one I have
[00:25:31] <danimal_laptop> same here
[00:25:55] <danimal_laptop> did you have to do anything in the bios?
[00:26:01] <JT-Shop> did you disable HT
[00:26:04] <danimal_laptop> yea
[00:26:09] <danimal_laptop> is that it?
[00:26:11] <Tom_itx> ht?
[00:26:17] <danimal_laptop> hyperthreading
[00:26:21] <Tom_itx> mmm
[00:26:24] <JT-Shop> and do the isolate CPU thin
[00:26:27] <JT-Shop> thing
[00:26:38] <danimal_laptop> didnt see that
[00:26:46] <danimal_laptop> in bios?
[00:26:47] <Tom_itx> i should check mine
[00:27:06] <Tom_itx> i think i left mine default
[00:27:18] <JT-Shop> it helps latency a bit
[00:27:33] <Tom_itx> what's HT do?
[00:27:37] <Tom_itx> i just disabled it
[00:27:38] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?The_Isolcpus_Boot_Parameter_And_GRUB2
[00:28:11] <JT-Shop> I'm not exactly sure what it does but seems to be some smart thing that slows down smart programs :)
[00:28:20] <Tom_itx> yeah i have the same board.
[00:28:30] <Tom_itx> web is slow here tonight :)
[00:28:39] <SadMan> Tom_itx: ht = poor man's dual cpu
[00:29:07] <Tom_itx> what's the isolate CPU thing about?
[00:29:08] <SadMan> or dual core
[00:29:32] <SadMan> Tom_itx: tells linux kernel to use only one cpu/core
[00:29:43] <Tom_itx> does it run better that way?
[00:29:52] <JT-Shop> a bit better latency
[00:29:56] <Tom_itx> hmm
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[00:32:20] <Tom_itx> i don't see where to set the CPU thing
[00:32:34] <SadMan> that's a grub setting, not a bios setting
[00:32:40] <Tom_itx> oh
[00:32:50] <SadMan> <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?The_Isolcpus_Boot_Parameter_And_GRUB2
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[01:47:37] <elmo40> hyper thread?
[01:47:43] <elmo40> intel thing. silly, actually.
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[02:19:45] <Danimal_garage> damn fan died on the mill again. guess it's time to hook up some real fans
[02:24:31] <elmo40> 15Hp diesel powered fans?
[02:24:32] <elmo40> :-P
[02:24:49] <Danimal_garage> ha
[02:24:57] <Danimal_garage> i was using a window box fan
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[02:45:49] <alex4nder> gah
[02:45:54] <alex4nder> all three steppers mounted
[02:46:25] <alex4nder> except the Z axis is slipping like a bad clutch whenever I adjust the gibs properly.
[02:47:41] <Tom_itx> i put a counterweight on my z
[02:48:07] <Danimal_garage> nice, did it help?
[02:48:11] <Tom_itx> yeah
[02:48:20] <alex4nder> werd
[02:48:22] <Tom_itx> little sherline with nema23 steppers
[02:48:30] <Tom_itx> may not help a bigger one, i dunno
[02:48:32] <Tom_itx> it should
[02:48:56] <alex4nder> I think the problem I'm having is that my stepper has a notch on its shaft for a set screw
[02:49:14] <alex4nder> and the taig coupler doesn't have an appropriate screw
[02:50:44] <Tom_itx> can you turn it with the power off?
[02:51:09] <Tom_itx> before i went thru my z it was all messed up and couldn't move it
[02:51:20] <Tom_itx> they'd done some poor machine work when they made it
[02:51:31] <alex4nder> the stepper doesn't have an external shaft on the back.. but if I loosen the gibs on the axis a ton, I can accel. at 100 IPM
[02:51:32] <Tom_itx> the thrust bearing was binding
[02:51:50] <alex4nder> er jog rather
[02:52:10] <Tom_itx> is it free with the stepper unhooked?
[02:52:19] <alex4nder> yah
[02:52:19] <Tom_itx> maybe the shaft isn't aligned right
[02:52:30] <alex4nder> I've been using it manually for a while, and I think it's ok.
[02:52:50] <alex4nder> like all I did was take the manual handle off, and hook up the stepper.
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[03:18:17] <Danimal_garage> what kind of coupler?
[03:18:58] <Tom_itx> mine are the clamp type solid couplers
[03:19:23] <alex4nder> Danimal_garage: http://www.micro-machine-shop.com/stepper_motors_controller.htm
[03:19:24] <Danimal_garage> thats a bit rough on the equipment, aint it?
[03:19:39] <Tom_itx> yeah but that's what it came with
[03:19:49] <Tom_itx> they're aligned pretty good
[03:19:50] <alex4nder> that link shows how he modified his couplers for use with setscrews.
[03:20:42] <Tom_itx> if the screw is opposite the flat it would be best
[03:21:09] <alex4nder> exactly'
[03:21:50] <alex4nder> I'll modify mine tomorrow
[03:22:02] <alex4nder> I've just got to dig up a decent set screw
[03:22:02] <Tom_itx> those look quite a bit like my steppers
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[03:23:04] <alex4nder> I'm using smaller 166 oz/in units
[03:23:11] <alex4nder> but the shafts look the same
[03:23:37] <Tom_itx> mine are 280 something
[03:23:47] <danimal_laptop> tiny!
[03:23:59] <Tom_itx> i know
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[03:24:16] <Tom_itx> i'm used to it now but back when i was programming the big ones it was funny
[03:24:17] <danimal_laptop> i just gave away some 1300oz/in steppers
[03:24:20] <alex4nder> haha
[03:24:33] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, want my address? :)
[03:24:36] <danimal_laptop> ha
[03:24:42] <elmo40> I have 1120 oz/in :) small mill, but works well with wood and 1/2" cutter with .125" depth of cut
[03:24:45] <danimal_laptop> too late, they're gone
[03:24:50] <alex4nder> Danimal_garage: I've got 20 TPI threads..
[03:25:09] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, what was the shaft size on those?
[03:25:19] <danimal_laptop> 5/8" i think
[03:25:56] <danimal_laptop> i had to get smaller couplers for my servos i replaced them with, and the servos are 1/2"
[03:26:38] <danimal_laptop> finally got the door on my enclosure with some real fans
[03:26:48] <Tom_itx> got a good source for that kind of stuff?
[03:26:59] <danimal_laptop> wired up so they turn on and off with the machine
[03:27:09] <danimal_laptop> for what, steppers?
[03:27:14] <danimal_laptop> or servos?
[03:27:18] <Tom_itx> aside from stp
[03:27:23] <Tom_itx> couplers etc
[03:27:30] <Tom_itx> sprockets, pulleys
[03:27:41] <danimal_laptop> not really, just mcmaster carr
[03:28:00] <danimal_laptop> i have a local store i use which is about the same price as mcmaster
[03:28:04] <Tom_itx> i wanna hook an encoder up to the spindle but i think it'll have to be off a pulley
[03:28:07] <danimal_laptop> but thats it
[03:28:20] <Tom_itx> since it's got a bolt thru the top
[03:28:31] <danimal_laptop> yea same with my mills
[03:29:16] <Tom_itx> i've got some small 500 count quads but i'm not sure they'd hold up
[03:29:34] <Tom_itx> got one off a printer but it's odd, 48 slot non quad
[03:29:41] <danimal_laptop> i just got a cheapo one on the spindle of my lathe
[03:29:56] <danimal_laptop> plastic thing
[03:30:12] <danimal_laptop> hollow for a thru shaft
[03:30:24] <danimal_laptop> works fine
[03:30:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/motors/focusring12.jpg
[03:30:30] <Tom_itx> those have 2 each on them
[03:30:33] <Tom_itx> you can see
[03:30:45] <Tom_itx> i was gonna see if they'd work
[03:30:56] <Tom_itx> i've had one hooked up before for a slower app
[03:31:05] <Tom_itx> i dunno if they'd hold up under continuous rotation
[03:31:12] <Tom_itx> they should i guess
[03:31:51] <danimal_laptop> only one way to find out!
[03:32:02] <Tom_itx> i've got others but those have a shaft
[03:32:14] <Tom_itx> i don't think they'd like side load from a pulley though
[03:32:25] <Tom_itx> they have a spur ground on the end
[03:32:36] <danimal_laptop> i think i figured out my ceiling situation in the shop... suspended acoustic pannels
[03:33:17] <danimal_laptop> make a bracket with a shaft, pulley, and a couple bearings, then use a coupler to attach the encoder to the shadft
[03:33:23] <danimal_laptop> shaft
[03:33:47] <Tom_itx> yeah i could do that
[03:33:55] <danimal_laptop> thats how my lathe is
[03:33:58] <Tom_itx> i did similar on one of my bots
[03:34:14] <Tom_itx> with a pair of heds encoders
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[03:35:50] <Tom_itx> if i did that i could mount one of those i guess
[03:38:28] <danimal_laptop> yea its just extra work
[03:38:54] <Tom_itx> there's not a real good place to mount anything really
[03:39:57] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/milling1.jpg
[03:40:02] <Tom_itx> it'll have to go above that pulley
[03:40:19] <danimal_laptop> ah
[03:40:26] <Tom_itx> maybe off to the left
[03:41:15] <Tom_itx> it does a great job on those boxes
[03:41:16] <danimal_laptop> here's what i would do... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkN679Ch8A
[03:42:11] <Tom_itx> :)
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[05:18:21] <Turtl3boi> hey tom_itx do you have any more pics you can send me? what kind of mill is that in the last pic you sent?
[05:18:30] <Turtl3boi> Hola Tommy !!!!!
[05:19:03] <Turtl3boi> Tom_itx what's up?
[05:31:49] <danimal_laptop> yawn
[05:32:12] <Turtl3boi> Hey Dan, happy holidays
[05:32:21] <Turtl3boi> still wish i could come over and check out yer shop
[05:32:29] <danimal_laptop> thanks! you too
[05:32:59] <Turtl3boi> yeah i'm still eating turkey
[05:33:09] <danimal_laptop> you can check it out
[05:33:11] <danimal_laptop> nice
[05:33:21] <Turtl3boi> wow cool we'll have to setup a time then
[05:33:26] <danimal_laptop> did you call on that supermax?
[05:33:46] <Turtl3boi> no not yet because i'm still considering that smaller ZX45 that ear-taker told me about
[05:34:08] <danimal_laptop> my buddy has one of those supermaxs
[05:34:30] <danimal_laptop> zx45?
[05:34:32] <Turtl3boi> it's still up on craigslist though
[05:34:39] <Turtl3boi> which buddy?
[05:34:44] <Turtl3boi> local guy?
[05:35:27] <Turtl3boi> http://www.boltonhardware.com/category/bolton-tools/metal-lathes-milling-machines/mill-drill/gear-head-milling-machine.php
[05:35:36] <Turtl3boi> ^ that's ear-taker's ZX-45 mill
[05:36:35] <danimal_laptop> ah
[05:36:56] <danimal_laptop> yea, i saw it the other day, it is about the size of a b-port
[05:37:12] <danimal_laptop> it had handles for manual operation too
[05:37:35] <Turtl3boi> i'm gonna call on it now to see if still available
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[05:40:45] <danimal_laptop> a small mill might be a little more managable
[05:40:59] <danimal_laptop> but it depends on what you want to do with it
[05:41:17] <danimal_laptop> there's stuff you just can't do on a benchtop mill
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[05:44:07] <Turtl3boi> i talked to the guy about it just now
[05:44:28] <danimal_laptop> whatd he say
[05:44:48] <mrsun> hmm, scraping a long surface using a short surface as master ...
[05:44:50] <Turtl3boi> ahh he said he's getting rid of it because he was making some specific part on it for a while and he quit doing that so now he has no use for it
[05:45:10] <Turtl3boi> he said everything still works
[05:45:19] <danimal_laptop> nice
[05:45:25] <danimal_laptop> thats a good deal
[05:45:54] <danimal_laptop> the servos and drives are easily worth half of that
[05:46:36] <Turtl3boi> he said it also has a pneumatic tool release
[05:46:41] <danimal_laptop> yea
[05:46:47] <Turtl3boi> and if it had handles he said i could control it manually as well
[05:46:49] <danimal_laptop> power drawbar
[05:47:03] <Turtl3boi> damnit my dad just said i can't have a mill in the garage
[05:47:12] <Turtl3boi> this is frustrating because my mom was cool with it
[05:47:20] <danimal_laptop> doh!
[05:47:34] <Turtl3boi> i assumed my dad would go along with it because he said nothing when i had my welder going
[05:47:50] <danimal_laptop> bummer
[05:47:51] <Turtl3boi> jesus christ now i'm pissed
[05:48:01] <Turtl3boi> he heard me on the phone when i was calling
[05:49:16] <danimal_laptop> its better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission
[05:49:25] <danimal_laptop> just show up with it lol
[05:49:30] <Turtl3boi> good point
[05:49:36] <Turtl3boi> that's what i did with my welder
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[05:49:51] <Turtl3boi> but then again a welder doesn't weigh a ton and need to be delivered with a truck
[05:50:37] <danimal_laptop> i moved one in a ford ranger
[05:50:52] <danimal_laptop> although im not sure if i recommend it
[05:51:10] <Turtl3boi> LoL
[05:51:13] <Turtl3boi> are you shitting me
[05:51:25] <Turtl3boi> 1 ton object in the back of a ford ranger
[05:51:25] <danimal_laptop> nope
[05:51:32] <danimal_laptop> yep
[05:51:39] <Turtl3boi> wow i'm surprised that worked
[05:51:44] <danimal_laptop> 2 mills and a lathe
[05:51:49] <Turtl3boi> holy shit
[05:51:58] <Turtl3boi> top heavy too
[05:52:15] <danimal_laptop> just a bit
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[05:55:56] <Turtl3boi> it would look kinda huge in my parents 3 car garage
[05:56:06] <Turtl3boi> hahaha
[05:56:41] <danimal_laptop> eh, i have my whole shop in a 2 car garage
[05:57:36] <Turtl3boi> yeah but my parents like to actualy park their toyota camrys in there
[05:57:50] <Turtl3boi> hahaha
[05:58:00] <Turtl3boi> god i would so rent a place but rent is not cheap
[05:58:50] <Turtl3boi> if i lived in michigan rent would be like $0.25 per sq foot
[05:59:08] <Turtl3boi> or maybe even $0.15 per sq foot
[05:59:10] <danimal_laptop> they'd probably pay you
[05:59:32] <danimal_laptop> it's less than a buck around here, still not too bad
[06:00:14] <mrsun> Turtl3boi, a welder as in the actual welder or the machine? :P
[06:00:27] <Turtl3boi> what?
[06:00:36] <mrsun> <Turtl3boi> but then again a welder doesn't weigh a ton and need to be delivered with a truck
[06:00:38] <Turtl3boi> it's an inverter welder Thermalarc 185
[06:00:54] <Turtl3boi> it weighs about 50 lbs
[06:01:20] <mrsun> the mig we have needs to be moved with a tractor .. sure you can push it around inside a garage but anything else it needs to be lifted with something strong :P
[06:02:10] <Turtl3boi> holy crap
[06:02:16] <Turtl3boi> it must be a high amperage MIG
[06:02:27] <mrsun> yeah it is =)
[06:02:33] <Turtl3boi> like 500 amps?
[06:02:37] <mrsun> + its water cooled so alot of weight comes from watertank etc :P
[06:02:50] <Turtl3boi> i didn't know MIGs needed water cooling
[06:02:54] <mrsun> Turtl3boi, not sure realy what it delivers
[06:03:06] <Turtl3boi> i thought water cooling was something for TIGs
[06:03:08] <mrsun> Turtl3boi, for welding very long times straight it does =)
[06:03:23] <Turtl3boi> interesting, never knew that
[06:03:39] <mrsun> destroyed several "hoze packages"? or whatever its called on the old MIG when doing stuff for power lines
[06:03:55] <mrsun> had to be watercooled for them to hold up for the heat generated ;P
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[06:05:40] <alex4nder> hey
[06:06:05] <Turtl3boi> MIG is so hard for me for some reason
[06:06:13] <Eartaker> MIG is easy
[06:06:22] <Turtl3boi> i prefer the TIG process for doing everything but then again MIG is a lot faster
[06:06:26] <Eartaker> a monkey could do it...
[06:06:30] <Turtl3boi> haha
[06:06:38] <Turtl3boi> i can't do thin stuff with MIG though
[06:06:44] <Turtl3boi> but i see guys doing sheet metal all the time with MIG
[06:07:02] <Eartaker> adjust the settings so you dont burn through
[06:07:05] <mrsun> mig can be a bit tricky also, just like any other welding method =)
[06:07:28] <mrsun> friend of mine has a 1 phase mig ... welds looks good etc but it doesnt deliver the power from start it needs to do a good weld
[06:08:12] <mrsun> with the 3 phaser i have i havent had any problems with just tacks, with the 1 phase you have to realy burn to get the tacks to stick :P
[06:08:30] <mrsun> if it was mine i would throw it to the scrapheap sharks realy :P
[06:09:00] <Turtl3boi> yeah i think that was why my welds sucked
[06:09:21] <Turtl3boi> i tend to do a lot of "tackish" welding and if it don't got power from the start it's not gonna tack well
[06:09:32] <Turtl3boi> i tend to weld in short little bursts
[06:10:01] <mrsun> then you need something that can deliver the power =)
[06:10:21] <Eartaker> get a miller or ESAB
[06:10:23] <Turtl3boi> it has to do with the power supply in those 1 phasers
[06:10:35] <Turtl3boi> i had an old ESAB
[06:10:45] <Turtl3boi> finally broke down
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[06:10:51] <Eartaker> with the small MIG's you have to treat it like a stick in a way
[06:10:55] <Turtl3boi> now i just got that Thermalarc which is a beast of a TIG
[06:11:17] <Turtl3boi> treat like a stick? what do you mean
[06:12:18] <mrsun> hit it with a stick?
[06:13:14] <Turtl3boi> i don't get stick welding either
[06:13:22] <Turtl3boi> pain in the butt for me
[06:14:18] <mrsun> stick welding is soo different with different machines
[06:14:31] <mrsun> i tried to learn with an old machine (just a huge trafo realy) and it was a pita
[06:14:44] <mrsun> then i borrowed a small modern machine from a friend ... and it wasnt hard at all
[06:14:49] <mrsun> thanks to all the helper electronics =)
[06:15:29] <Turtl3boi> try stick welding stainless steel pipe
[06:25:33] <mrsun> hmm, is a low pass filter enough to make pwm into a "constant" voltage for a vfd ?
[06:26:04] <mrsun> i think there even is an option in the vfd to take an avarage of what gets into it for speed control
[06:26:13] <mrsun> so it takes an avarage over like 1 second of the input
[06:40:47] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[06:41:18] <Loetmichel> Turtl3boi: hmmm, isnt stainless welded with TIG normally?
[06:43:12] <Loetmichel> i remember my old apprenticeship master saying:" if you cant hold your hand steady, PLEASE shiver in the right direction at least.
[06:43:35] <Loetmichel> ... critizising my stick-welding skills ;-)
[06:45:10] <Turtl3boi> those guys that do pipe welding for the oil industry have to learn how to do stainless stick
[06:45:43] <Turtl3boi> hahaha
[06:46:00] <Turtl3boi> Loetmichel.....i think i really really need a micro mill like you have because my dad says he won't allow a big mill in the garage
[06:46:06] <Turtl3boi> i need something that is super small
[06:46:45] <Loetmichel> than buy one or build one. isnt THAT much of a problem
[06:47:11] <Turtl3boi> can you send me your parts list for the off-the-shelf stuff?
[06:47:22] <Turtl3boi> like the screw drive or worm drive or whatever they call it
[06:47:27] <Turtl3boi> the bearings, etc
[06:47:29] <Loetmichel> there is no parts list
[06:47:43] <Loetmichel> there isnt even a plan.
[06:48:18] <Loetmichel> most parts of the mill were build right from my brain , no paper in between ;-)
[06:48:26] <Loetmichel> so no, sorry, i cant
[06:48:33] <Turtl3boi> but surely you have some off-the-shelf parts
[06:48:44] <Turtl3boi> darnit
[06:48:55] <Loetmichel> yeah, what has been laying around in my workshop ;-)
[06:49:21] <Turtl3boi> k
[06:49:52] <Loetmichel> so normal 6mm Ball bearings, some 12mm round ground steel, some screws, some aluminium, some steppers and some delrin.
[06:50:33] <Loetmichel> and the TR 10*3 "screws" for the drive of course
[06:51:06] <Turtl3boi> it's just a big screw for the drive?
[06:51:23] <Loetmichel> Trapezidoal screw
[06:51:36] <Loetmichel> and plastics nuts
[06:51:40] <Loetmichel> like here:
[06:52:05] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8884
[06:52:50] <Loetmichel> two plastic nuts per axis have the advantage of being (made) play-free
[06:53:19] <Loetmichel> and the plastic vs. metal nuts are for wear and seld lubricating
[06:53:43] <Loetmichel> this way the nuts will wear out, not the screws
[06:53:44] <Turtl3boi> Eigen-schaften
[06:54:08] <Turtl3boi> genius
[06:54:11] <Loetmichel> of the plastic?
[06:54:25] <Loetmichel> normal delrin (acetal)
[06:54:35] <Loetmichel> POM
[06:55:56] <Loetmichel> <- driving to work now. already late. 0800 start of work, 15 minutes drive, its 0755 over here ;-)
[06:56:19] <Turtl3boi> aiya
[06:56:22] <Turtl3boi> later Michel
[07:44:01] <Loetmichel> re at company
[07:44:26] <Turtl3boi> sup sup
[07:44:30] <Turtl3boi> that was pretty seamless
[07:44:44] <Loetmichel> hihi
[07:44:45] <Turtl3boi> i didn't see you logoff
[07:44:47] <Loetmichel> VNC ruled
[07:44:52] <Turtl3boi> ahh i see
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[07:44:54] <Loetmichel> -d+s
[07:45:29] <Turtl3boi> do you play with microcontrollers at work?
[07:46:03] <Loetmichel> 'cause i have much work related files on my home machines i have a VNC link home nearly all the time ;.)
[07:46:11] <Loetmichel> Turtl3boi: a little
[07:46:26] <Turtl3boi> yeah i should use VNC more myself
[07:46:28] <Loetmichel> mostly PC
[07:46:37] <Turtl3boi> but the internet can be slow around here
[07:46:48] <Loetmichel> it is here , too
[07:47:00] <Loetmichel> 2MBit Sdsl for the whole company
[07:47:48] <Turtl3boi> lol that's pretty bad
[07:48:41] <Loetmichel> last month the dsl line broke down... so i used my cellphone as a router ( i have a internet flat for it)... was faster than the original Company line, even that the whole company used my umts ;-)
[07:49:13] <Loetmichel> s/that/though
[07:49:16] <Loetmichel> -h
[07:49:46] <Turtl3boi> yeah the 4g LTE is getting to be pretty fast
[07:49:59] <Turtl3boi> although you guys probably have a different wireless internet standard in europe
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[08:08:21] <Loetmichel> 3g
[08:08:27] <Loetmichel> UMTS
[08:08:52] <Loetmichel> speedtest app says actual about 2,5Mbit down and 3Mbit up ;-)
[08:10:33] <Turtl3boi> that's pretty decent
[08:10:50] <Turtl3boi> dangit i really need to make myself a little mill like yours
[08:12:18] <Turtl3boi> at some point can you take some more pictures of your micro-mill so i can see how it's designed?
[08:13:37] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, .... you need to shit or get off the pot :-P lol
[08:13:47] <Turtl3boi> lol what does that mean
[08:13:55] <Turtl3boi> i pinched a nice loaf earlier though
[08:14:10] <Turtl3boi> Eartaker my dad said he doesn't want a mill in the garage
[08:14:23] <Eartaker> it means make the choice and move forward or quit
[08:14:25] <Turtl3boi> so i'm thinking that i may be able to only *sneak* in a little one
[08:14:31] <Turtl3boi> i never quit
[08:14:43] <Eartaker> your dad?
[08:14:44] <Turtl3boi> if you played me in basketball i'd use up all my fouls stopping you
[08:14:51] <Eartaker> how old are you?
[08:14:54] <Turtl3boi> 52
[08:15:30] <Eartaker> you have never heard that phase befor? "shit of get off the pot"?
[08:15:39] <Turtl3boi> nope
[08:15:40] <Eartaker> phrase
[08:15:44] <Eartaker> hmm lol
[08:15:50] <Eartaker> might be an Army thing then
[08:16:02] <Turtl3boi> possibly
[08:16:08] <Turtl3boi> actually yeah i'm 25 not 52 lol
[08:16:15] <Eartaker> im 25
[08:16:21] <Turtl3boi> oh cool we're the same age
[08:16:26] <Turtl3boi> except i'm not very far along in my career
[08:16:28] <Eartaker> yep... beter get a mill
[08:16:35] <Eartaker> better
[08:16:36] <Eartaker> lol
[08:16:46] <Turtl3boi> i'm a total loser dude
[08:16:53] <Eartaker> nah man...
[08:16:54] <Turtl3boi> i really need to find my way in life
[08:17:13] <Turtl3boi> do you still live in military housing?
[08:17:15] <Eartaker> your wy in life is what you choose...
[08:17:16] <Eartaker> way
[08:17:20] <Turtl3boi> true.....
[08:17:27] <Turtl3boi> i wish i had joined the military
[08:17:34] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, yeah I do, we rent a house but also onw a house in OH
[08:17:42] <Eartaker> own
[08:17:48] <Turtl3boi> damn.... nice
[08:17:56] <Turtl3boi> you already own real estate
[08:18:12] <Eartaker> yeah but it was left to us by passing family...
[08:19:00] <Eartaker> we are going to destroy it when we move back and build a new one
[08:19:09] <Turtl3boi> well that sucks. i would feel weird inheriting my dead uncle's house
[08:19:24] <Turtl3boi> building a new one seems like a fresh start and may be fun too
[08:19:37] <Loetmichel> Turtl3boi: the shit phrase means: dont talk, DO it!
[08:20:21] <Turtl3boi> if you knew me personally you would realize i already lit a fire under my ass long ago
[08:20:37] <Loetmichel> hrhr, that with the housing looks strange from here
[08:20:54] <Loetmichel> because our houses are made of concrete and bricks
[08:20:55] <Turtl3boi> i'm a really motivated person, but i'm also the type that likes to make a smart purchase and tend to go into many details before i pull the trigger
[08:21:23] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, My wife wants to keep the same floor plan but build on... it would cost us more to modernize the home that to build new. Plus we will ad more rooms and such
[08:21:26] <Turtl3boi> we make our houses out of wood and drywall unfortunately
[08:21:30] <Loetmichel> so the tear down can be more expensive than the ground its sitting on
[08:21:43] <Eartaker> but we will be keeping her g-pas shop
[08:21:47] <Turtl3boi> the best homes are just made out of cinder blocks
[08:21:56] <Turtl3boi> ahh nice
[08:22:51] * Loetmichel has helped build about 50 or 100 houses in my tines as a electrican/construction worker
[08:22:58] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, the original house was build in the early 1900's
[08:23:01] <Turtl3boi> wow.......
[08:23:06] <Turtl3boi> Michel <3
[08:23:17] <Turtl3boi> it probably has iron pipes
[08:23:28] <Eartaker> yeah and well water
[08:23:30] <Turtl3boi> yeah you would want to start fresh cuz that old plumbing is crap
[08:23:40] <Turtl3boi> oh it's a rural ohio home
[08:23:59] <Eartaker> Turtl3boi, yeah and I also want to dig and build a basement
[08:24:12] <Turtl3boi> make a nice cistern while you're at it if you can
[08:24:22] <Turtl3boi> backup water in case of major emergency
[08:24:26] <Loetmichel> if i ever moce to america i WILL build a house to german standards... dont like the drywall "origami" houses.
[08:24:31] <Loetmichel> move
[08:24:36] <Eartaker> not rural... our town has a pop of ~350...
[08:24:40] <Eartaker> more like a farm house
[08:24:46] <Turtl3boi> ahh nice
[08:25:21] <Eartaker> Loetmichel, I hate drywall
[08:25:23] <Turtl3boi> yeah the origami houses suck
[08:25:31] <Turtl3boi> especially with the chinese radioactive drywall
[08:26:25] <Turtl3boi> houses in arizona are often made with just cinder blocks or bricks. better insulated than "origami" houses usually and cheap to make too
[08:26:49] <Turtl3boi> i really don't understand why we waste so much wood to make houses
[08:26:52] <Turtl3boi> it's really a damn shame
[08:27:07] <Turtl3boi> kills trees and termites feast on them anyways
[08:27:30] <Loetmichel> in germany the new cheap houses are made nearly entirely out of BIG foamed concrete ("ytong") blocks
[08:27:58] <Loetmichel> fast build, easy to put the cabling/piping in the walls and very good insulating
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[08:28:59] <Turtl3boi> yeah i would *love* to build my own house out of those
[08:29:00] <Loetmichel> and looks nice if a small person can throw the 100cm*50cm**25cm blocks three stories high ;-)
[08:29:18] <Turtl3boi> are they really that light weight?
[08:29:33] <Loetmichel> about 10kg, depending on the amount of gas in it
[08:30:16] <Turtl3boi> wow that's a lot lighter than the typical "cinder" block
[08:30:46] <Turtl3boi> are the Ytong blocks manufactured in Greece?
[08:30:47] <Loetmichel> its not really heavier than styrofoam ;-)
[08:30:54] <Loetmichel> i dont know
[08:31:16] <Turtl3boi> what do you make the second story floors out of?
[08:31:26] <Turtl3boi> what's the modern technique for that in germany
[08:31:34] <Loetmichel> iron reinfoced concrete
[08:31:39] <Loetmichel> +r
[08:31:46] <Loetmichel> cast in place
[08:31:59] <Turtl3boi> here we use some sort of particle board
[08:32:07] <Turtl3boi> wood composite basically
[08:32:19] <Turtl3boi> cast at the building site?
[08:33:57] <Loetmichel> yes
[08:34:56] <Loetmichel> build the walls, make a "mould" for the ceiling, put iron in, cast the concrete on the walls
[08:35:38] <Turtl3boi> wow what a great system, german ppl are genius
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[08:38:06] <Loetmichel> ... and we are NOT in any earthquake danger ;=)
[08:38:23] <Loetmichel> most i have heard of is 4,5 on the richter scale
[08:39:07] <Turtl3boi> i wish i could move to germany
[08:39:08] <Loetmichel> problem: if you want to drill through the ceiling you HAVE to have good tools ;-)
[08:39:22] <Turtl3boi> why would i ever drill through the ceiling hahaha
[08:39:33] <Loetmichel> cabling/piping
[08:39:39] <Turtl3boi> oh yeah of course
[08:40:19] <Loetmichel> i had times whrer i drilled 5 holes to get ONE thru without iron in the way ;-)
[08:40:46] <Loetmichel> ... then i got a new hilti... ;-)
[08:41:11] <Loetmichel> 1,5" iron : no problem ;-)
[08:41:19] <Loetmichel> right thru ;-9
[08:44:04] <Turtl3boi> hahaha yikes
[08:44:06] <Turtl3boi> hilti?
[08:44:19] <Turtl3boi> holesaw?
[08:53:11] <Loetmichel> no, TE72, drill/concrete hammer
[08:53:49] <Loetmichel> diamonds on the drill bit tip
[08:57:48] <Turtl3boi> ahhh ok
[08:58:06] <Turtl3boi> any jobs available for your company in north america?
[08:58:11] <Turtl3boi> =p
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[10:31:50] <Jymmm> Heh, read the review... http://www.harborfreight.com/8-inch-bench-top-shear-brake-90757.html?utm_medium=email_direct&utm_campaign=4811_CyberMonday&utm_source=[keycode]
[10:36:04] <Turtl3boi> thanks
[10:36:11] <elmo40> so much gooder? excellent... the English language has officially died. >_< I wonder if anyone even monitors those reviews
[10:36:34] <Turtl3boi> lol abu sanchez
[10:36:44] <elmo40> ya. I laughed at that, too
[10:37:13] <alex_joni> hey Jymmm
[10:37:14] <elmo40> apparently one of the CONS is no power cord...
[10:37:38] <Jymmm> and made in usa with a made in china sticker on the side
[10:37:44] <Jymmm> alex_joni: yo
[10:37:46] <elmo40> yup
[10:39:01] <Turtl3boi> is the harbor freight mini lathe any good
[10:40:00] <alex_joni> Jymmm: what's new?
[10:40:42] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Chaos at it's finest
[10:40:55] <alex_joni> perfect
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[10:55:36] <anonimasu> will the fanuc redcap motors work with the mesa drives?
[10:55:50] <anonimasu> like A06B-0147-B177
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[11:36:06] <mrsun> shouldnt a like 40 - 50 year old cast iron plate make a good straight edge if i cut it to size? as it has aged a loong time :)
[11:38:21] <Loetmichel> hmm... until you cut it yeah ;-)
[11:39:02] <mrsun> true :P
[12:07:35] <toastydeath> if you have the facilities to make it straight, nearly any material will do
[12:08:05] <toastydeath> cast iron was used for straightedges historically because it is easy to cast and scrape
[12:08:08] <toastydeath> and holds bluing well
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[12:16:22] <mrsun> alu ? :P
[12:17:24] <toastydeath> aluminum is a pain in the dick to scrape but you can use it, sure
[12:18:00] <toastydeath> the best way to deal with aluminum is a very high speed, enormously sharp flycutter with a large nose radius
[12:18:05] <toastydeath> and then a teeny feed rate
[12:18:06] <mrsun> maybe an alu base with an iron frontisde? :)
[12:18:11] <toastydeath> no
[12:18:30] <toastydeath> you do not mix materials when you care about geometric relationships
[12:18:49] <toastydeath> alu expands and contracts both further and faster than iron does
[12:19:10] <mrsun> but i could just go out and cast myself a camelback in alu, face it off, scrape it and use it as a straight edge then ? :)
[12:19:19] <mrsun> as i have the means to cast alu that would be real nice =)
[12:19:25] <toastydeath> you could, but i don't see why you'd use aluminum if you're that set up
[12:19:26] <mrsun> sure it would have to be aged etc etc :P
[12:19:38] <mrsun> toastydeath, i have no straight edge :/
[12:19:44] <mrsun> just surface plate
[12:19:50] <toastydeath> my point was not that you shouldn't have a straight edge
[12:19:58] <toastydeath> but that if you have the facilities to cast and machine a straight edge
[12:20:10] <toastydeath> using aluminum is a weird place to shortchange yourself
[12:20:25] <toastydeath> but if you have to use aluminum because that's what's around, then go for it
[12:20:28] <mrsun> toastydeath, well to even get a camelback in cast iron ... :P
[12:20:36] <toastydeath> what are you using a camelback for
[12:20:44] <mrsun> or whatever, a straight edge atleast
[12:20:58] <mrsun> cant find any suiting cast iron more then the huge plate i have to cut from if i want to
[12:20:59] <toastydeath> what are you using a straightedge for
[12:21:05] <toastydeath> just buy a bar of iron
[12:21:18] <mrsun> toastydeath, scraping the ways of my mill =)
[12:21:34] <mrsun> and im at a point where the master piece becomes alot shorter then the piece to be scraped
[12:21:45] <toastydeath> buy a bar of iron
[12:21:54] <toastydeath> scrape it in reference to a surface plate
[12:22:07] <mrsun> toastydeath, just ordenary iron, no cast? :)
[12:22:15] <toastydeath> it doesn't matter what you use
[12:23:03] <mrsun> only problem is that i need to borrow a machine to get the freakin angle so i can reach into the stupid dovetails =)
[12:23:16] <toastydeath> ?
[12:23:29] <toastydeath> just file and scrape an angle into your dovetail
[12:23:37] <toastydeath> or use a bandsaw
[12:23:39] <toastydeath> or a grinder
[12:23:44] <toastydeath> coping saw
[12:24:55] <toastydeath> your angle just has to be smaller than the angle you want, it doesn't have to be exact
[12:25:16] <toastydeath> and if you, for some reason, want it exact, buy a cheap sine gauge set and a sine bar
[12:26:52] <toastydeath> and you should probably have those things to begin with if you're trying to recondition a milling machine
[12:27:07] <toastydeath> because you will want to scrape your own angle gages
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[12:51:36] <Tom_itx> but then if you are worried about precision it will be used in a temperature controlled environment as well and the material properties will be minimized
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[14:37:28] <mrsun> toastydeath, just fixing up the flat surfaces on it, no use doing anything more =)
[14:37:47] <mrsun> hehe, was just out and cut myself a piece of cast iron, using a diamond cutting blade for the angle grinder
[14:38:14] <mrsun> 30x400mm cut, doesnt even show on the disc... material i cut was still cool and the disc was also cool when i was done =)
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[16:04:11] <mrsun> hmm, there is a guy that uploaded videos to youtube before on how he made his cnc mill etc, a quite large guy ... anyone know a profile name ? :)
[16:04:51] <jdhNC> hoss
[16:05:06] <jdhNC> or look for g0704
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[16:08:22] <mrsun> there yes =)
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[16:08:29] <mrsun> hoss it is i was thinking off =)
[16:09:08] <jdhNC> I bought one of those mills a few months ago. Finally got around to breaking in the spindle and doing some manual stuff with it yesterday.
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[16:51:23] <ssi> mine's in pieces
[16:51:32] <ssi> and has been for months
[16:51:36] <ssi> I need to get off my ass and get it done
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[17:37:08] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[18:16:23] <kb8wmc> good day to all
[18:18:49] <kb8wmc> does anyone know why "linuxcnc.org" is being listed as a "phishing site", it is being blocked from my access
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[18:23:18] <danimal_laptop> it was hacked
[18:24:46] <danimal_laptop> scored a couple nice electrical enclosures at the surplus yard
[18:24:48] <kb8wmc> thanks for the info danimal, have any idea what and when it will be corrected?
[18:24:58] <danimal_laptop> no clue
[18:25:06] <kb8wmc> rgr....ok...tnx
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[18:25:30] <danimal_laptop> im not involved with the site, i just heard about it
[18:26:27] <kb8wmc> rgr....I was on the site not that many days ago, and to my surprise I tried to connect and boom...
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[19:03:57] <jdhNC> what kind of bit would you use to engrave a rock?
[19:04:25] <FinboySlick> jdhNC: Depends on the rock but you probably want diamond.
[19:04:48] <FinboySlick> For speed/feed, your guess is as good as mine.
[19:07:11] <danimal_laptop> diamonds are forever
[19:07:37] <syyl> i know somebody who used vhm cutters
[19:07:41] <syyl> uncoated
[19:07:54] <syyl> to engrave rocks
[19:08:47] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/13685_68_stein1.jpg
[19:08:52] <syyl> didnt seem to work to bad...
[19:09:36] <Danimal_garage> anyone know any good cables for wiring a daughter board to a 5i20 over 5 or 6 feet, and through some conduit?
[19:10:03] <Danimal_garage> ribbon cables would be a PITA
[19:11:35] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: 5-6' is a bit much but I would have considered those 'round ide' cables otherwise.
[19:12:36] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: Perhaps some cat5 crimped in IDE-like connectors?
[19:12:56] <Danimal_garage> ide is too small, i need 50 pin
[19:13:08] <Danimal_garage> and cat5 is not enough leads
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[19:13:26] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: I meant lots of cat5, but at 50 pin it's pushing it.
[19:14:11] <Danimal_garage> i can get scssi ends, but i would prefer a different way, preferably pre made
[19:14:51] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: Old T1 cable is 24 pairs, I think.
[19:16:14] <Danimal_garage> the wire isnt an issue, i want something ready made
[19:16:42] <Danimal_garage> i dont have time to solder 300 tiny connections
[19:17:01] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: With a scsi/ide ribbon-like connector? I doubt you'll find anything worthwhile.
[19:17:28] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: You don't need to solder those but you'll still have to sort and crimp.
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[20:29:17] <ssi> yeah probably best bet is rolling up some ribbon and criming ends on it
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[20:32:37] <lirtex> Hi, is there a git branch which is for developers but still in a working \ compiling state?
[20:33:16] <cradek> sorry can you be more specific about what you are asking?
[20:34:10] <ve7it> round ribbon cable... http://search.digikey.com/ca/en/products/3759%2F50%20100SF/MB50A-100-ND/1107482
[20:34:21] <ve7it> about $2/ft
[20:34:22] <cradek> (all our branches compile, and you might even say they all work)
[20:35:16] <lirtex> cradek: I see, that's what to know. So I'll try to figure out why am I getting so many build errors in the master branch. Thanks!
[20:35:35] <cradek> ok yes, master certainly builds
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[20:35:48] <cradek> pastebin your errors for possible advice
[20:36:33] <JT-Shop> lirtex: if you don't need a feature in master I would use the 2.5 branch
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[20:47:35] <FinboySlick> Rated torque of a stepper is a ballpark hint of when it'll start loosing steps, or more of an idea of when it'll stop moving altogether? ;)
[20:49:43] <cradek> probably neither
[20:49:53] <jdhNC> or just how much it will hold while stationary?
[20:49:55] <cradek> steppers have the highest torque when not moving
[20:50:01] <cradek> yes, what he said
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[20:50:25] <cpresser> FinboySlick: as always depends... most likely you are using microstepping, which causes a significant loss of torque
[20:50:27] <FinboySlick> I guess there's no dodging experimental data then ;)
[20:50:30] <jdhNC> look for published torque curves
[20:51:27] <FinboySlick> jdhNC: Hehehe, if it exists!
[20:51:31] <teletype> is there a way to create a savvol for a filesystem on a different pool by default? I know I can create a checkpoint and use a different pool for the savvol, and it will continue to use that for new checkpoints. I'd rather not have to leave a checkpoint lying there with a name like "dont-delete" tho
[20:51:33] <cradek> also beware to help you search: it's spelled lose/losing
[20:51:38] <A2Sheds> cheap motors won't have specs or just some ambiguous oz/in or whatever
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[20:52:05] <cradek> teletype: sorry, don't know what you're talking about, are you in the right place?
[20:52:05] <FinboySlick> cradek: Yeah, that bit is my french brain trying to spell by sound.
[20:52:06] <cpresser> teletype: wrong emc-channel. this one is about cnc-machining :)
[20:52:13] <teletype> rofl
[20:52:23] <teletype> sorry :)
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[20:53:04] <JT-Shop> FinboySlick: the torque rating for a stepper is how hard it will try and stay still :)
[20:53:46] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Yeah. I'll just experiment and torture 'em a little to see what gives at my specific microstepping setting.
[20:54:17] <cpresser> http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities.aspx
[20:54:22] <jdhNC> and then you will still want servos
[20:54:46] <FinboySlick> jdhNC: And room on the mill to fit them in.
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[21:00:40] <FinboySlick> cpresser: Very interesting read, btw.
[21:01:23] <cpresser> this link was not found be my, i actually picked it up in this channel :)
[21:02:47] <FinboySlick> I didn't have a concept of that 'magnetic backlash' prior.
[21:05:47] <jdhNC> I have some drives here that do 50,800 steps/rev
[21:05:55] <jdhNC> looks great in theory
[21:09:12] <FinboySlick> I knew about the loss of torque at least.
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[21:17:33] <JT-Shop> draw test :) http://imagebin.org/186088
[21:18:34] <FinboySlick> "You'll shoot your eye out, kid."
[21:18:53] <JT-Shop> LOL
[21:19:53] <syyl> looks nice
[21:20:17] <syyl> did you testfire it yet? :D
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[21:22:11] <JT-Shop> no, I just did a draw test just a few minutes ago... I still have to make the bolt and the rest
[21:22:40] <FinboySlick> "You'll shoot someone else's head out, kid."
[21:22:55] <FinboySlick> I just got a sense of scale from the angle grinders.
[21:23:35] <danimal_laptop> the truck leaf spring wasnt enough scale for ya? lol
[21:24:01] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop: very cool
[21:24:04] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: It could also have been from one of those dinky trailers.
[21:24:10] <danimal_laptop> ah true
[21:24:22] <syyl> people dont need their head that much, FinboySlick ;)
[21:24:38] <danimal_laptop> but this is JT-Shop we're talking about! it's probably from a semi truck
[21:25:59] <JT-Shop> I'm not sure what size truck, Ricky went to the salvage yard to get the spring...
[21:26:04] <FinboySlick> syyl: As a fan of 'Trailer Park Boys', I am forced to agree with you.
[21:26:10] <JT-Shop> danimal_laptop: thanks
[21:26:25] <syyl> heh
[21:26:31] <JT-Shop> it was a truck of some sort for sure
[21:27:15] <JT-Shop> the windlass pulls back the "string" pretty easy... actually easier than I thought it would
[21:28:04] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop: you should have mail in a few
[21:28:13] <danimal_laptop> i sent those pics that i forgot about
[21:28:15] <JT-Shop> ok cook
[21:28:27] <JT-Shop> the "bow" is 60" tip to tip
[21:28:46] <danimal_laptop> they're high res, it'll take a few. and it's not a boyer shultz either
[21:29:05] <danimal_laptop> nice, that is a big spring
[21:30:17] <JT-Shop> I cut out 3" from the center but the opening is 5" so it gained a couple of inches
[21:30:44] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: For some reason, I'm thinking 'Broom' type rails for your bolts.
[21:30:59] <JT-Shop> FinboySlick: think bigger
[21:31:06] <JT-Shop> like closet rods
[21:31:28] <FinboySlick> I meant the rails that support the bolt.
[21:32:01] <FinboySlick> That way the cable won't wear as it rubs on 'em... This said, given the diameter of your bolt it probably won't even touch the rails.
[21:32:06] <JT-Shop> ah ok, might be a bit weak to hold up the heavier bolts
[21:32:25] <JT-Shop> yea, the bolts are 1 1/4" in diameter
[21:32:45] <FinboySlick> may I briefly call you a psycho? ;)
[21:32:54] <JT-Shop> thank you
[21:33:07] <danimal_laptop> how far do you expect it to shoot?
[21:33:34] <FinboySlick> danimal_laptop: So long as it isn't across state lines, the FBI won't be involved ;)
[21:33:39] <JT-Shop> dunno 100 yards plus should reachable
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[21:34:06] <JT-Shop> we have a large playground to play in :)
[21:34:18] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop: check out this cool enclosure i got. im going to put the touch screen, mpg, and some buttons in it for the mill: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6420921265/
[21:34:47] <JT-Shop> fiberglass?
[21:35:02] <danimal_laptop> steel, it's a hoffman enclosure
[21:35:23] <danimal_laptop> it has an extension on it, i may take that off, it just unscrews
[21:35:52] <JT-Shop> I was wondering what that was... never seen an extension like that
[21:35:56] <danimal_laptop> about 4" deep without it
[21:36:26] <danimal_laptop> the cover will screw on in place of the spacer as well as on top of it
[21:36:36] <JT-Shop> cool
[21:36:45] <danimal_laptop> they had a pallate of them at the surplus yard unused, $20 each
[21:36:53] <JT-Shop> dang I need to paint the ballista soon
[21:36:59] <danimal_laptop> http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/6420920671/
[21:37:02] <JT-Shop> that is cheap
[21:37:23] <danimal_laptop> i got that one for the spindle drive and power supplys for the servo, and some SSR's if there's room
[21:38:18] <danimal_laptop> i'll just take out the panduit and use it in the other enclosure or something
[21:38:44] <danimal_laptop> it had a nice plc in it but they wanted like 50 for it an the power supply, couldnt think of a use for it though
[21:39:56] <danimal_laptop> the one for the monitor is about 3-4" longer than i'd like, but i can cut it down or just deal with it for that price
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[21:41:17] <danimal_laptop> it'll mount right on the arm for the old control pannel
[21:42:07] <danimal_laptop> i guess i should have made those pics smaller, it's still sending
[21:44:32] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: You need an autoloader, aim camera and tank threads.
[21:45:20] <JT-Shop> dang you read my mind :P
[21:45:24] <FinboySlick> drone warfare from the comfort of your livingroom.
[21:45:55] <FinboySlick> plus, given that the bolts are wood, you're ready for both the vampire and zombie apocalypse.
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[21:46:46] <syyl> retro modern warfare with a rc ballista? ;)
[21:47:19] <FinboySlick> syyl: It's only retro if you don't sell it right. This is a mechanical rail gun ;)
[21:47:27] <syyl> ah
[21:47:38] <syyl> sounds reasonable
[21:47:43] <mrsun> ough, tried one of the parts ive scraped again against its mating surface, was a slight oil film on it, it sucked itself into place like a freakin magnet
[21:47:54] <mrsun> had to slide it off the dovetails etc to get it loose :P
[21:48:20] <mrsun> its fun when stuff gets real flat :P
[21:50:07] <syyl> gets interesting when it sticks together without oil
[21:50:10] <syyl> :)
[21:50:27] <syyl> like gaugeblocks
[21:50:48] <mrsun> hehe =)
[21:51:00] <mrsun> not even going to go that far :P
[21:51:30] <syyl> might not even be the best idea for sliding surfaces..
[21:51:32] <mrsun> and is it realy possible to get it like that with scraped surfaces? ... dont they have to be polished etc for that kind of power? :)
[21:51:38] <syyl> yeah
[21:51:56] <syyl> mr. müllernick (maybe you know his youtube videos) showed me a small surface plate he scraped
[21:52:09] <syyl> placed onto his big granitsurface plate
[21:52:13] <syyl> its impossible to lift
[21:52:25] <mrsun> meh =)
[21:53:19] <syyl> his scraping videos are great
[21:53:46] <mrsun> remember im still a total newb =)
[21:53:55] <mrsun> just gotmyself a scraper and a surface plate and hope im doing it right :P
[21:54:01] <syyl> http://www.youtube.com/user/MuellerNick#g/u
[21:54:03] <syyl> take a look
[21:54:09] <mrsun> (made myself a carbide scraper tho as the tool steel one SUCKED) =)
[21:54:52] <mrsun> took a scraping blade for paint scraping and made a mount that i fit into a pipe =)
[21:55:01] <mrsun> works like a charm, and cheap also, tho maybe a bit tiny
[21:55:07] <syyl> carbide is important :)
[21:55:22] <syyl> otherwise you are more grinding the scraper than scraping
[21:55:40] <mrsun> and FINALY found a diamond thingie so i can sharpen it, all ive found before has been full ofholes etc making it impossible to file it
[21:56:08] <syyl> hrhr
[21:56:15] <mrsun> its a nice skill to learn for when i build stuff myself later tho =)
[21:56:21] <mrsun> scraping that is
[21:56:27] <syyl> scraping is very cool
[21:56:31] <mrsun> so i can make good stuff, not just thrown of the mill
[21:56:35] <syyl> as you can get real precision rom it
[21:56:38] <syyl> from
[21:57:08] <syyl> i made a small angle plate for the mill, welded hot rolled steel, milled over and scraped
[21:58:17] <mrsun> only problem ive found is with the 0.001mm indicator is that it feels the bumps from the scraping
[21:58:22] <mrsun> and jittering all over the place :P
[21:58:29] <syyl> jip
[21:59:01] <syyl> but you can measure the depth of the scraped "hole"
[21:59:51] <mrsun> jumps about +0-0.005 or so when i try and measure
[21:59:58] <mrsun> i hope thats good enough to hold some oil =)
[22:05:35] <syyl> should be :D
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[22:23:24] <JT-Shop> dang internet is lumpy this evening
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[22:34:27] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop: did you get the pics yet?
[22:35:55] <JT-Shop> no
[22:36:32] <Danimal_garage> hmm, it must be in cyberspace somewhere, it appears to have sent ok
[22:38:33] * Tom_itx wonders what a lumpy internet is like
[22:39:18] * danimal_laptop is glad i never have that problem
[22:42:39] <danimal_laptop> im debating dropping my home internet and getting another cell phone to teather to instead.
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[22:43:23] <danimal_laptop> i have sprint so its unlimited, and pdanet allows me to connect the phone to my computer for interwebs
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[22:50:49] <JT-Shop> it can be a rough ride...
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[23:06:02] <Danimal_garage> ugh, back to the grind...
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