#emc | Logs for 2011-11-20

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[00:06:54] <DaViruz> MattyMatt: that actually looked half decent
[00:07:29] <DaViruz> i'm more accustomed to seeing this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34083125@N06/6204185985/in/photostream/
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[01:18:54] <MattyMatt> skunkKandT: STL is practically all it handles so far
[01:19:07] <MattyMatt> DaViruz it's true, they need tuning :)
[01:19:54] <MattyMatt> they are defo on their way to making useful stuff, and I've located a source of 3mm delrin
[01:21:10] <MattyMatt> which works out cheaper than ABS filament per kg
[01:25:00] <MattyMatt> 3mm acetal I should say, the slightly softer and less poisonous variety
[01:26:15] <MattyMatt> not quite so nice to machine either. it leaves strings like nylon
[01:26:35] <Tom_itx> you need sharp tools
[01:27:59] <MattyMatt> yep. I paid £20 for 10x 0.8mm endmills. I can't expect too much :)
[01:28:45] <MattyMatt> if that much, maybe these ones were £10 for 10
[01:29:15] <MattyMatt> I get through a lot on my floppy mill
[01:29:38] <MattyMatt> ^got, mill is being stiffened atm
[01:31:28] <MattyMatt> even so, real delrin is lovely to machine, it comes off in a fine powder
[01:34:04] <MattyMatt> nylon is another one not many have tried printing with. it's a non-newtonian fluid when molten apparently, which means it doesn't want to extrude
[01:34:44] <MattyMatt> "nylon" can mean so many things tho. I'll start with 66
[01:35:49] <MattyMatt> I need to find out what gauge of fishing line will fit :)
[01:37:20] <MattyMatt> arrgh it's saturday. no 8am start tomorrow
[01:48:35] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: 6AM Instead!
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[01:51:38] <MattyMatt> vespers and matins! with POWERTOOLS!
[01:52:45] <MattyMatt> there's no law about it, but it's generally accepted you don't wake the neighbours before 10 on sundays
[01:53:18] <MattyMatt> except with church bells, but they are rare these days
[01:53:19] <Jymmm> 8am is the law =)
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[03:18:05] <Danimal_garage> hi
[03:25:23] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: yo
[03:26:10] <Tom_itx> evening
[03:26:29] <Jymmm> I guess the evenng shift has arrived
[03:29:11] <Danimal_garage> yo
[03:29:26] <Danimal_garage> my mill is on it's way :)
[03:29:53] <Jymmm> Cool, now stop watching the tracking webpage damnit!
[03:30:00] <Danimal_garage> should be here within the hour
[03:30:08] <Danimal_garage> ha no tracking, it's on a tow truck
[03:30:10] <Tom_itx> late delivery?
[03:30:15] <Danimal_garage> yea
[03:30:21] <Danimal_garage> i wanted to do it in the dark
[03:30:28] <Jymmm> 24/7/365 delivery =)
[03:30:30] <Tom_itx> :O
[03:30:32] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: why?
[03:30:39] <Danimal_garage> so noone sees it
[03:30:44] <Tom_itx> heh
[03:30:44] <Danimal_garage> i try to stay low key
[03:30:51] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: is it on a liftgate truck or?
[03:30:55] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: theft? HOA?
[03:31:00] <Danimal_garage> flatbed tow truck
[03:31:09] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: neither
[03:31:17] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Okeeeeeeeeey
[03:31:22] <Tom_itx> they'll drop it in the street and run
[03:31:22] <Danimal_garage> but it's not exactly legal to run a machine shop in your residential house
[03:31:30] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: ah
[03:31:37] <Tom_itx> it's a hobby
[03:31:40] <Danimal_garage> it's on dollys, he can dump it in my garage
[03:31:41] <Tom_itx> honest...
[03:31:43] <Jymmm> what he said
[03:31:51] <Danimal_garage> it's not a hoby
[03:31:53] <Tom_itx> wanna see a real one?
[03:32:01] <Danimal_garage> real what?
[03:32:01] <A2Sheds> I've done the tilt-bed tow trucks a few times myself
[03:32:07] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: YES, IT IS A HOBBY
[03:32:25] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Keep repeating that till you arrive in court
[03:32:54] <A2Sheds> just keep a dropcloth over it and tell anyone that asks that it's a sculpture :)
[03:33:07] <Jymmm> It's a XMAS gift
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[03:33:13] <Danimal_garage> lol Jymmm thats the plan
[03:33:22] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: it'll be tarped
[03:33:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.users.qwest.net/~kmaxon/page/side/photo_gallery_137.htm
[03:33:47] <Tom_itx> you should see his in home shop
[03:34:01] <Danimal_garage> it's here, bbl
[03:34:22] <Jymmm> Just like a kid on Christmas =)
[03:35:04] <Tom_itx> http://www.users.qwest.net/~kmaxon/page/side/mill100_137.htm
[03:35:11] <Tom_itx> gander thru that a while
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[03:38:13] <Tom_itx> http://www.users.qwest.net/~kmaxon/page/side/mill103_137.htm
[03:52:16] <tom3p> Tom_itx, kmaxon! he developed a cnc edm controller (wayback)
[03:52:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: it's too damn clean.
[03:52:57] <Tom_itx> yeah
[03:53:11] <Tom_itx> he's developed alot of things
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[03:54:27] <tom3p> http://www.users.qwest.net/~kmaxon/page/cont/cont17.htm
[03:54:29] <Jymmm> I'm sure he has, ut it's still too damn clean
[03:59:06] <Jymmm> There we go... nice lil pelican case for the backup hdd =)
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[04:31:08] <A2Sheds> ISA-Card! Is that project from the 80's? I haven't seen a breadboard like that in ages.
[04:36:46] <tom3p> and 22cv10 peels
[04:37:24] <tom3p> (and yes, its from 80's )
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[04:38:24] <tom3p> btw you can run ICT-Place for those peels under DosBox in Ubuntu
[04:52:25] <Danimal_garage> phew, it's in the garage
[04:53:06] <Tom_itx> cover it up
[04:53:07] <Tom_itx> quick
[04:54:02] <Danimal_garage> it needs a mega bath
[04:56:17] <Danimal_garage> the only problem is it has a 5hp motor
[04:57:59] <Danimal_garage> bigger than i wantedf
[04:58:16] <Danimal_garage> it does have encoders though... no resolvers
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[05:24:19] <Danimal_garage> sweet! this thing already has a bitchin dc spindle drive that runs on singe phase
[05:25:02] <Danimal_garage> didn't need to buy a vfd afterall
[05:31:06] <Danimal_garage> anyone want to buy a vfd lol
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[05:34:39] <A2Sheds> what size vfd?
[05:36:06] <danimal_laptop> 3.7kw
[05:36:09] <danimal_laptop> 5hp
[05:36:21] <danimal_laptop> it's a newer mitsubishi
[05:36:56] <A2Sheds> what does it weigh?
[05:37:03] <danimal_laptop> 5lbs?
[05:37:07] <danimal_laptop> it's small
[05:37:53] <danimal_laptop> it can run on single phase
[05:38:18] <danimal_laptop> it'll run about a 3hp motor on single phase with decent acceleration
[05:38:36] <danimal_laptop> at least
[05:38:43] <A2Sheds> I have 3phase
[05:38:45] <danimal_laptop> ah
[05:38:54] <danimal_laptop> then that doesnt matter to you
[05:39:27] <danimal_laptop> i have a similar one but older on my other mill, and a smaller one on my lathe
[05:39:54] <danimal_laptop> pretty simple and they work good
[05:40:25] <danimal_laptop> i'll sell it for what i got into it, which is under $100
[05:41:18] <A2Sheds> I'm actually cleaning out around here
[05:41:31] <danimal_laptop> me too
[05:41:51] <danimal_laptop> i got it thinking i'd need it for the new mill...
[05:42:10] <danimal_laptop> should have waited
[05:42:29] <A2Sheds> any need for a Cincinnati knee mill?
[05:42:37] <danimal_laptop> haha noooo
[05:42:37] <A2Sheds> jk
[05:42:39] <danimal_laptop> no room
[05:42:55] <danimal_laptop> i have 3 mills now
[05:43:02] <danimal_laptop> not including the desktop one
[05:43:19] <A2Sheds> I figure if I haven't used it in a year I probably don't need it
[05:43:27] <danimal_laptop> good reasoning
[05:44:40] <danimal_laptop> i did notice one problem with the new mill.... it's too tall for me to be able to open the garage door
[05:44:50] <A2Sheds> I took over the warehouse space from a used CNC vendor
[05:45:07] <danimal_laptop> nice
[05:45:25] <A2Sheds> you going to lower the floor or?
[05:45:29] <danimal_laptop> ha
[05:45:43] <danimal_laptop> no, i'll just have to rethink my layout
[05:46:39] <A2Sheds> I always find better deal on used machines myself, the used CNC dealers are always on the high side
[05:46:50] <danimal_laptop> yea same here
[05:47:01] <danimal_laptop> i got the new mill from a machinery mover
[05:47:06] <A2Sheds> $2K min for a bridgeport
[05:47:11] <danimal_laptop> ouch
[05:47:31] <danimal_laptop> i got the new mill for 1k
[05:47:41] <A2Sheds> though they don't know what to do with dead/broken machines, they usually go to scrap
[05:47:52] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: Well, is it running yet?
[05:48:14] <A2Sheds> a working mazak is <$4K
[05:48:27] <danimal_laptop> yes Jymmm, made a ton of parts already
[05:48:47] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: Cool, how much was the tow truck?
[05:49:00] <danimal_laptop> 200
[05:49:10] <Jymmm> how many miles?
[05:49:19] <danimal_laptop> he put it in the garage for me and ;leant me his dollys
[05:49:30] <danimal_laptop> about 30ish
[05:49:39] <A2Sheds> not too bad
[05:49:43] <Jymmm> not bad, sounds like a cool driver
[05:49:55] <danimal_laptop> well he's a machinery mover
[05:50:00] <Jymmm> ah
[05:50:05] <danimal_laptop> he just happens to have a tow truck
[05:50:16] <Jymmm> 5 ton truck works wonders
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[05:51:00] <Jymmm> and he can tow cars in the slow machinery moving days =)
[05:51:07] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: what mill is this new one?
[05:51:58] <danimal_laptop> kasuga
[05:52:03] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: since you have the new mill working, make be some coffee!
[05:52:12] <danimal_laptop> right...
[05:52:21] <danimal_laptop> actually i gotta go pick up a pizza
[05:52:23] <danimal_laptop> bbl
[05:53:01] * Jymmm calls in extra anchovies on danimal_laptop pizza !
[05:54:30] <Shabbir> has anyone pictures of mesa 7I73?
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[06:00:15] <danimal_laptop> yuck
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[06:57:01] <Jymmm> danimal_laptop: Bet ya make me coffee next time I ask now wont ya!!! ;)
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[16:46:19] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: are you awake yet?
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[16:46:28] <Danimal_garage> i saw the grinder
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[17:13:05] <Jymmm> ...and the grinder won!
[17:13:34] <Danimal_garage> ugh
[17:16:00] <Danimal_garage> i like this mill better than my other one. The x axis servo is on the knee instead of the table so i don't have to have an extra 18" of clearance on that side
[17:18:02] <andypugh> I am trying where to put my X-servo. On the end of the table is a lot easier...
[17:18:09] <andypugh> (+ to decide)
[17:18:26] <Danimal_garage> thats how my other mill is and i hate it
[17:19:17] <Danimal_garage> this thing actually has a power knee
[17:19:43] <andypugh> But the machine had a rotating nut originally (to allow for using the table feed for a dividing head) so there is room to use a rotating nut again.
[17:20:01] <Danimal_garage> do it if you can
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[17:20:35] <Danimal_garage> any ideas on an easy way to remove silicone?
[17:20:46] <Danimal_garage> like rtv sealant?
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[17:24:56] <pcw_home> Knife?
[17:25:41] <Danimal_garage> i don't want to mess up the paint if possible
[17:25:52] <Danimal_garage> there's dons of it around where the chip tray was
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[17:27:05] <pcw_home> Theres a solvent but IDK if its paint safe (doubt it) Digesil
[17:27:16] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, i'd carefully use a single edge razor blade
[17:27:27] <Tom_itx> i don't think there's many other ways
[17:27:36] <Tom_itx> without taking paint with it
[17:28:09] <Tom_itx> if you lay it down flat enough it won't get the paint that much
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[17:32:22] <pcw_home> Digesil NC says its paint safe (though it sounds pretty nasty and is probably expensive)
[17:34:16] <Tom_itx> have you tried it?
[17:34:36] <Tom_itx> i'm guessing it would make the silicone gummy and sticky at best but i could be wrong
[17:35:35] <Tom_itx> i just hate messin with silicon
[17:36:00] <Tom_itx> we always used a razor blade but then we weren't concerned about paint. it was on engine blocks, heads etc
[17:36:44] <Danimal_garage> i wish i had a power washer, this thing is nasty
[17:37:18] <Danimal_garage> the paint might be bad enough to not have to worry about it
[17:37:24] <Danimal_garage> we';ll see
[17:37:33] <Tom_itx> rent one
[17:37:38] <Tom_itx> they're cheap
[17:37:56] <Danimal_garage> eh cant really use it in the garage
[17:38:00] <Tom_itx> and it might get some of the silicone
[17:38:04] <Tom_itx> it'll dry
[17:38:13] <Tom_itx> cover the rest of the machines with some plastic
[17:38:17] <Danimal_garage> fresh drywall, no paint yet
[17:38:26] <Tom_itx> or hang some up around the machine
[17:38:30] <Tom_itx> seriously...
[17:38:41] <Danimal_garage> yea
[17:38:44] <Tom_itx> i sure as heck would
[17:39:00] <Danimal_garage> i may
[17:39:01] <Tom_itx> get a squeege
[17:39:18] <Tom_itx> or some kitty litter to sop it up
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[17:40:47] <Tom_itx> i did alot of similar in my garage and the sheet rock is none the worse for wear
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[17:40:52] <Tom_itx> i hung plastic around it
[17:43:30] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, the other option is a solvent sprayer
[17:43:32] <Tom_itx> and air
[17:43:44] <Tom_itx> i've got one that sorta mists solvent
[17:45:01] <Danimal_garage> zep and a hose worked pretty good
[17:45:26] <Danimal_garage> it's almost clean already lol
[17:45:30] <Tom_itx> heh
[17:45:47] <Tom_itx> i thought you *REALLY * had a mess
[17:46:04] <Danimal_garage> i did!
[17:46:44] <Danimal_garage> zep industrial cleaner is pretty gnarly
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[17:47:20] <A2Sheds> http://www.lowes.com/pd_176022-68-13330_?PL=1&productId=3017773 www.dap.com/docs/tech/00017116001.pdf
[17:49:00] <Danimal_garage> thanks, i'll check it out
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[17:51:11] <A2Sheds> heh, or just use what they put their label on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_spirit
[17:52:24] <A2Sheds> just don't smoke, weld or put on a demonstration of your spark generator at the same time you apply it
[17:52:59] <Tom_itx> unless you need a quick haircut
[17:53:24] <A2Sheds> been there, "where are your eyebrows?"
[17:53:46] <Tom_itx> good to know about that
[17:53:58] <Tom_itx> i've never looked for stuff like that really
[17:54:51] <A2Sheds> Dap magic silicone remover 3.5 oz ~$5ea, 1 gal mineral spirits ~$15
[17:54:58] <Tom_itx> we used it on intake manifolds alot instead of gaskets because they came apart every pass
[17:55:12] <Tom_itx> just used a razor blade to get it off
[17:58:11] <A2Sheds> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40#Formulation interesting
[17:59:41] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: ugly is it?
[18:00:12] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: the grinder or the mill?
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[18:00:53] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: the grinder was a little iffy, it had been sitting in his garage for a couple years unmoved, so the ways were realy sticky
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[18:01:05] <Danimal_garage> it was in ok shape otherwise
[18:01:17] <Danimal_garage> a little surface rust on the bare steel parts
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[18:01:22] <Danimal_garage> but really light
[18:01:39] <Danimal_garage> once we started moving it a bit it loosened up
[18:02:05] <Danimal_garage> it was a fairly compact grinder for a 6x18
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[18:05:27] <JT-Shop> so you think it is good to get then?
[18:16:54] <Danimal_garage> i'd hate to make that call
[18:17:01] <Danimal_garage> maybe talk him down a little
[18:17:23] <Danimal_garage> i think with some lube ran through it it would work ok
[18:17:46] <Danimal_garage> i just think the lube was dried up from sitting for so long
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[18:18:07] <Danimal_garage> it was recently repainted it looks like. it's blue
[18:18:11] <IchGucksLive> hi all
[18:18:20] <Danimal_garage> hi
[18:19:45] <IchGucksLive> today i fixed the 5-Axis controler from the chinees it works no perfect with the UF5404 insted of the F307
[18:20:24] <IchGucksLive> i also did some real power wirering and for better amp performence
[18:21:05] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i got the mill
[18:21:40] <JT-Shop> nice
[18:22:07] <IchGucksLive> Danimal_ is there room left in the garage
[18:22:34] <Danimal_garage> IchGucksLive: none!
[18:22:56] <IchGucksLive> B)
[18:23:10] <IchGucksLive> so be prepared to move to a biger lockation
[18:23:49] <IchGucksLive> awallin: ?
[18:25:14] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: could you run the spindle?
[18:26:13] <andypugh> White Spirit is also one of commonly-available liquids which it is (relatively) save to fire-breath with.
[18:27:10] <andypugh> We did some research at school on what was the optimum solvent to remove Silicone, but all I recall was that it was the one that smelt nice.
[18:27:34] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: no, it was tucked in the corner of the garage on a pallate
[18:28:18] <IchGucksLive> Danimal_garage: thats the space you need :DD
[18:31:35] <andypugh> I tried milling motor laminations just now, it very nearly worked. The problem is holding them down during milling. They pop free before being finished. I think I need to make a fixture.
[18:31:48] <IchGucksLive> @all i fixed the outward rouphing zigging on heekscnc so now you can do better path http://tinyurl.com/7hn42lm
[18:32:20] <IchGucksLive> dont forget to finish with CRC emc postprozessor profile
[18:43:34] <Danimal_garage> well it's clean enough
[18:43:39] <pcw_home> andypugh: what about stacking them, drilling and bolting and machining the whole stack at once? (just dont cut across laminations)
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[18:47:28] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[18:51:22] <andypugh> pcw_home: That's pretty much the plan.
[18:52:01] <pcw_home> How does the silicon steel cut?
[18:52:26] <andypugh> It cuts rather easily.
[18:53:33] <pcw_home> Thats good I know you are not supposed to flex it to severely
[18:53:46] <pcw_home> too
[19:00:28] <andypugh> I was talking about that with the guy I got it from, and he said that some cores are made by bending the laminations.
[19:00:52] <jp_> picked up my machine yesterday!!!
[19:00:58] <andypugh> (It is entirely possible that there is a post-bending heat-treatment though)
[19:01:22] <andypugh> If you can pick up your machine, you need a bigger one :-)
[19:02:09] <jp_> lol 5000lbs forlift was too small back wheels were off of the ground most of the time
[19:03:36] <jp_> now the question is to keep the fanuc control or not?
[19:03:40] <andypugh> OK, maybe it is big enough :-)
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[19:12:30] <Danimal_garage> lol
[19:12:53] <Danimal_garage> speaking of moving machines, i can't move mine!
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[19:13:40] <Danimal_garage> i gotta trade spots with my other machine if i ever want to oppen the garage door again
[19:15:21] <andypugh> Build the garage out by one brick. and move the door. Repeat each week. Hopefully nobody will notice and eventually you will have enough space.
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[19:17:38] <Danimal_garage> ha, i think they'd notice since noone uses brick around here
[19:25:28] <archivist> garage doors, follow the link to the other site http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/picturegalleries/8896155/Style-your-garage-doors-for-the-Christmas-season.html
[19:25:42] <archivist> some funny ones
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[19:29:12] <andypugh> Not inexpensive.
[19:29:57] <archivist> would be amusing though
[19:30:33] <Danimal_garage> crap i think i need to buy a pry bar
[19:31:28] <andypugh> I suspect that they look a lot better on-screen from just the right angle than they do in (binocular) real life.
[19:32:03] <andypugh> But yes, the idea is amusing.
[19:33:25] <archivist> Danimal_garage, or more than one, I use bars a lot moving machines on rollers
[19:34:09] <Danimal_garage> archivist: it's on dollies, but i'm bending a 2" diameter bar trying to move it
[19:35:28] <archivist> get the fulcrum point nearer the lift point
[19:35:41] <archivist> smaller lifts
[19:35:55] <archivist> greater leverage
[19:37:18] <Danimal_garage> there is no lifting it
[19:37:30] <Danimal_garage> it's probably over 6,000lbs
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[19:39:00] <archivist> not even 3 tons so a lift one side is only 2.5 tons
[19:39:04] <archivist> 1.5
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[20:01:44] <Spida> archivist: assuming evenly distributed weight
[20:01:49] <Spida> :-P
[20:08:54] <Danimal_garage> i think these dollies are shite
[20:09:00] <Danimal_garage> i cant get it to roll
[20:09:55] <Danimal_garage> it'll move both my lathes with a come-along before it moves
[20:10:17] <Danimal_garage> that's 5000lbs of lathes at least
[20:11:14] <fragalot> I've ended up making rollers for the 2nd last machine I moved :/
[20:11:43] <Danimal_garage> i'm just gunna throw pipe under it
[20:12:20] <fragalot> that works
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[20:32:29] <JT-Shop> I used a couple of pipes and a floor jack on the CHNC and it weighs in at 6k lbs
[20:33:00] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge-06.xhtml
[20:33:31] * JT-Shop is making chicken-n-dumplings like Grandma did... everyone is welcome to come over
[20:34:08] <JT-Shop> there was nothing to roll on under the CHNC so I tossed a couple of plates up there on top of the rollers
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[20:36:44] <Danimal_garage> 6klbs??? i don't know how that's possible, mine's only 2000lbs
[20:36:54] <Danimal_garage> the iron's the same
[20:37:08] <Danimal_garage> unless there's 4000lbs of sheetmetal on it lol
[20:38:15] <Eartaker> this is what a 6000lb mill looks like... http://www.catoconstruction.com/images/Equipment-for-sale/Other/Van-Norman-Mill-Sale.jpg
[20:38:29] <Danimal_garage> i can push the hnc around by hand on the floor with no rollers
[20:39:35] <Danimal_garage> Eartaker: that's smallert han mine
[20:40:05] <Danimal_garage> probably a little more robust though
[20:41:01] <Danimal_garage> this thing just doesnt want to move!
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[20:44:29] <danimal_laptop> quack, want to learn how to move a machine? :)
[20:44:59] <jp_> just made a set of rollers so i can roll the machine off of the trailer and into the garage
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[20:46:23] <danimal_laptop> nice
[20:46:40] <danimal_laptop> i have dollies, but it just wont budge
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[20:47:02] <emcrules_d510> they are like a j hook with 2000lb casters bolted to them.
[20:47:13] <danimal_laptop> nice
[20:47:35] <emcrules_d510> i can just jack the machine up a bit and slip them on to roll the machine around
[20:48:17] <emcrules_d510> it wasnt fun yesterday trying to get the machine in the right spot on the trailer to make the ride home
[20:49:23] <danimal_laptop> getting it into the garage was easy, i paid someone to move it lol
[20:49:24] <JT-Shop> Dan your's is a HNC right?
[20:49:29] <danimal_laptop> yea
[20:49:34] <danimal_laptop> same iron though
[20:49:57] <danimal_laptop> the sheetmetal is different
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[20:50:11] <danimal_laptop> your motors are a bit beefier too
[20:50:16] <JT-Shop> yours is 16C?
[20:50:35] <danimal_laptop> no it's got a threaded nose
[20:50:45] <danimal_laptop> sorry tapered nose
[20:51:04] <danimal_laptop> i'm sure the spindle is different too
[20:51:20] <JT-Shop> yea, I think I have more iron than you do
[20:52:56] <danimal_laptop> http://www.google.com/imgres?q=chnc+hardinge&um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&biw=1024&bih=587&tbm=isch&tbnid=3NhJCnSqmFd4LM:&imgrefurl=http://techcnc.com/hardinge-chnc-ii-plus-cnc-turning-center/&docid=lYlznLqFg4HeEM&imgurl=http://techcnc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_2642.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=YmjJTpG3GKiI2gWIuZjTDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=492&vpy=273&dur=47&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=111&ty=145&sig=115128034327
[20:53:09] <danimal_laptop> is that what yours looks like inside?
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[20:54:08] <emcrules_d510> nice!!
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[20:54:50] <danimal_laptop> thats not mine lol
[20:55:10] <danimal_laptop> 4600lbs JT-Shop
[20:55:18] <emcrules_d510> i know but having one is better than not so still nice!!
[20:55:59] <danimal_laptop> i have an hnc, it's an older version of that
[20:56:22] <danimal_laptop> it'ss not the machine i'm moving though
[20:56:28] <JT-Shop> yea that looks like mine but with more buttons and dials than mine
[20:56:41] <emcrules_d510> how does the turret work? i would like to build a turret form my lathe
[20:57:00] <JT-Shop> I must have had 1400lbs of chips in the coolant tank then
[20:57:13] <JT-Shop> works by an air lift and air motor
[20:57:17] <emcrules_d510> is it a cam?
[20:57:21] <JT-Shop> no
[20:57:46] <JT-Shop> air motor spins it and encoder chip spits out the station as you go by
[20:57:52] <emcrules_d510> so just raise rotate lower and lock?
[20:58:19] <JT-Shop> raise, spin, lower
[20:58:59] <JT-Shop> mine has a faster spindle that that one
[20:59:05] <emcrules_d510> just dowels to hold into place or something more extravagant
[20:59:33] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge-gallery.xhtml
[20:59:48] * JT-Shop heads inside to make the dumplins
[21:00:20] <danimal_laptop> http://www.rotaryeng.net/Nc-Mill-How-To.html
[21:00:37] * JT-Shop wondered why it was so easy to drag the CHNC off the trailer with two come alongs
[21:00:39] <danimal_laptop> thats almost the same mill i just got
[21:00:51] <danimal_laptop> mine has a newer control on it though
[21:01:17] <JT-Shop> cool
[21:01:30] <JT-Shop> top heavy I bet
[21:01:36] <JT-Shop> gotta run
[21:02:05] <danimal_laptop> adios!
[21:02:12] <emcrules_d510> later
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[21:09:21] <danimal_laptop> i may have to go buy a big pinch bar
[21:09:26] <danimal_laptop> i cant see any other way
[21:09:36] <danimal_laptop> even that will be questionable
[21:13:57] <andypugh> pcw_home: I have just noticed that parameter setting isn't working any more (and my 8i20 is set to 1A).
[21:14:14] <andypugh> I guess I need to see what is wrong, but can you think of anything which has changed?
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[21:19:24] <Quack> JT-Shop makes dumplings?
[21:19:33] <Quack> is that like chicken n dumplings kind of dumplings?
[21:19:39] <danimal_laptop> JT-Shop makes everything
[21:20:15] <danimal_laptop> andypugh: how's the tuning coming?
[21:20:55] <andypugh> Not at all, I spent today making stuff.
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[21:33:08] <JT-Shop> Quack: yep Grandmas's Chicken & Dumplins
[21:33:23] <JT-Shop> not the big fat ones but the little square ones
[21:33:24] <Quack> wow nice man i love that stuff
[21:33:30] <Quack> hmm oh ok
[21:33:35] <JT-Shop> it's simple to make
[21:33:58] <JT-Shop> recipe is on my web site
[21:34:56] <Quack> where's ya site?
[21:35:12] <JT-Shop> gnipsel dot com
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[21:36:42] <JT-Shop> well it is supposed to be there :/
[21:36:57] <JT-Shop> i see the link but it's not linked
[21:37:01] <JT-Shop> brb
[21:37:47] <Quack> lol i'ts ok man
[21:38:08] <danimal_laptop> ugh
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[21:44:44] <danimal_laptop> find a mill yet quack?
[21:44:57] <Quack> it's been raining so i haven't gotten around much
[21:45:06] <Quack> i'm driving back to SD tomorrow or today
[21:45:15] <Quack> so no i haven't yet
[21:45:20] <danimal_laptop> ah
[21:45:23] <Quack> keep looking around for me
[21:45:38] <danimal_laptop> if i see anything ill let you know
[21:45:58] <danimal_laptop> i'm trying to get mine in place
[21:46:14] <danimal_laptop> proving to be difficult
[21:47:46] <archivist> for rough floors I build tracks to roll on
[21:48:06] <danimal_laptop> mine's pretty smooth
[21:48:34] <jthornton> can't get it to roll?
[21:48:36] <danimal_laptop> im gunna go see if i can find a crow/pinch bar
[21:48:40] <danimal_laptop> nope
[21:49:17] <danimal_laptop> the bar i use to pry it just bends
[21:49:32] <danimal_laptop> i think it's stainless so it's too soft
[21:50:10] <andypugh> You are American, I believe? I am amazed you haven't resorted to firearms yet
[21:50:18] <archivist> :)
[21:50:34] <danimal_laptop> ha
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[21:51:32] <andypugh> A comealong winch onto a beam across a doorway normally shifts anything... (of course, if the walls move first, that is bad)
[21:51:53] <danimal_laptop> andypugh: there's no doors handy in that direction
[21:51:56] <andypugh> (the beam goes at floor level.
[21:52:02] <archivist> I was using a wooden lever a lot of the time to get my mill in the garage, I use scaffold pole lengths as rollers
[21:52:38] <danimal_laptop> i had the come along around 2 lathes of over 2000lbs each and the come along just moved the lathes
[21:52:45] <archivist> we did that for one of my lathes
[21:52:52] <Quack> lol andy
[21:53:10] <danimal_laptop> the mill was on rollers too
[21:53:22] <Quack> i'm starting to get scared of bridgeport-class one ton mills
[21:53:24] <Quack> hard to move
[21:53:35] <archivist> easy to move!
[21:53:39] <danimal_laptop> b-ports are easy
[21:53:39] <Quack> but then again once i get it in my mom's garage she'l have a hard time getting rid of it
[21:53:58] <andypugh> Last time I had that problem, I rawl-bolted a piece of angle to the floor. (with holes in each leg, to make a crude equivalent of a Petzl hanger (http://www.grin.com/object/external_document.246471/cbb6b3098222e27c59a670bd34a605ac_LARGE.png)
[22:02:07] <danimal_laptop> i wonder if i can make an air pillow lol
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[22:04:30] <andypugh> danimal_laptop: Do the skates have barkes
[22:04:30] <andypugh> 
[22:04:37] <andypugh> (brakes)
[22:04:46] <danimal_laptop> no, no barkes
[22:06:17] <danimal_laptop> andypugh: times like this, i wish i was a fat american
[22:08:48] <jthornton> danimal_laptop: I've used a jack and a piece of steel to move something heavy before, like a wedge sorta
[22:09:07] <danimal_laptop> tried that, it shot the metal out at me lol
[22:09:08] <jthornton> or a lever rather
[22:09:19] <andypugh> Hydraulic bottle jacks (normal car-type ones) work fine if you have the pump at the bottom.
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[22:10:24] <andypugh> (Do you get the impression that I have helped my tight-fisted dad move his workshop a few times, with whatever equipment we could lay our hands on?)
[22:16:39] <danimal_laptop> lol
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[22:27:08] <andypugh> Also, normal chain winches work on the floor, they are just really annoying.
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[22:39:47] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/recipes/chicken-dumplings/chicken-dumplings.html
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[22:45:24] <danimal_laptop> i just got a heavy duty pinch bar, i'm going to try that
[22:47:58] <Quack> thanks Jt
[22:48:28] <Quack> Do you leave the skin on the chicken brests?:
[22:48:45] <Quack> Also what kind of Chickn Broth do you use?
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[23:03:33] <pcw_home> andypugh: I dont think anything has changed except various bug fixes in SSLBP I can try our DOS utilities (WPD/RPD) via SSLBP tomorrow
[23:04:45] <Jymmm> Quack: No skin (adds grease), chicken broth of your preference.
[23:04:49] <andypugh> I sent an email. I think that it might be a long-standing bug masked by which port the card was plugged in to previously.
[23:05:40] <andypugh> Jymmm: You make adding grease sound like a bad thing. That's where all the meaty taste is.
[23:06:06] <andypugh> (Or so I seem to remember)
[23:06:11] <Jymmm> andypugh: There's enough grease in the meat as it is. Skin just adds FUNK imo
[23:06:27] <Jymmm> andypugh: Sure, in BEEF marbling is a good thing.
[23:06:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: poultry is another matter
[23:06:58] <Jymmm> andypugh: hang on a sec...
[23:07:35] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&ved=0CEkQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV5Xkg8FsVtY&ctbm=vid&ei=KIjJTqfBPPLKiAKs0d3TDw&usg=AFQjCNEiF9HjsuLdIZiU_XrgHq1fAT9qug
[23:07:41] <Jymmm> ooh hell
[23:07:50] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5Xkg8FsVtY
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[23:10:05] <Jymmm> YEAH BABY!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBICk69kfio&feature=related
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[23:14:05] <andypugh> That's a burger where a knife and fork is called for.
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[23:20:18] <pcw_home> Andy you could try the DOS parameter read/write Utilities to see if theres a introduced SSLBP bug (or wit till I try tomorrow )
[23:20:34] <pcw_home> s/wit/wait/
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[23:29:52] <Danimal_garage> sweet! it moved
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[23:30:15] <Danimal_garage> now to move the other equally as big machine....
[23:31:12] <andypugh> I don't think I know how to use the DOS utils for that, and I have to dismantle my working CNC controller (it's 1U) to plug in PCI cards to use the utils (the work-in-progress machine won't run the utils)
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[23:36:45] <andypugh> danimal_laptop: Elctro-magnets in the ceiling. That's the way to go.
[23:38:14] <Danimal_garage> ha
[23:40:12] <pcw_home> Andy, I will check this out tomorow
[23:42:26] <pcw_home> Is this 5I25 or 5I23?
[23:42:57] <sparrW> how can I test the torque of a stepper without a stepper driver?
[23:43:28] <pcw_home> Lab power supply?
[23:44:08] <sparrW> I have a power supply with voltage and current control
[23:45:44] <pcw_home> OK will it supply the step motors peak current?
[23:47:26] <sparrW> yes
[23:51:09] <andypugh> So, clamp the middle of a horizontal stick to the shaft. Apply the current. Then dangle weights off the stick until the motor turns.
[23:51:31] <pcw_home> First make sure you have solid connections (you could possibly fry a supply if you disconnect the motor at max current)
[23:52:16] <andypugh> You can't check the running torque without a stepper drive, just the stall torque.
[23:52:42] <pcw_home> andy are you using a 5I25 or 5I23?
[23:53:42] <andypugh> 5i23 at the moment
[23:54:07] <andypugh> (And it used to work, otherwise my peak current would be more than 1A :-)
[23:54:52] <pcw_home> You might see if the latest firmware works
[23:54:54] <pcw_home> (freeby.mesanet.com/svss8_8.bit)
[23:55:12] <pcw_home> should be V31
[23:55:15] <andypugh> Even a read gives me AA immediately after the 0x800 stop command. Of course, that might be correct.
[23:57:15] <pcw_home> that sounds like you are inadvertantly resetting the processor
[23:57:16] <pcw_home> So you issue a stopall
[23:57:19] <pcw_home> wait
[23:57:20] <pcw_home> issue a setup start
[23:57:21] <pcw_home> wait
[23:57:23] <pcw_home> write LBP command and address to CSR
[23:57:24] <pcw_home> data to userx and doit and you get an AA?
[23:58:34] <sparrW> andypugh: how do running torque and stall torque usually relate?
[23:58:48] <andypugh> stall torque is much higher
[23:59:11] <sparrW> can you give me an order of magnitude on "much"?
[23:59:39] <andypugh> stall torque is infinitely higher than the torque at max rpm.
[23:59:42] <Danimal_garage> hmmm duh, i have a big van with a ram bar for a reason. i can strap a come along to that to move the other mill