#emc | Logs for 2011-11-06

[00:01:41] <alex4nder> Quack_: no idea, my limit is time
[00:03:14] <Guest31288> dial indicators, dial indicator stand, micrometers, calipers, carbide inserts and/or tool bits, grinder, machinist's handbook
[00:03:59] <syyl> oh almost forgott it
[00:04:07] <syyl> set the machinists handbook on first place :D
[00:05:04] <alex4nder> parallels, v-blocks, misc. hardware
[00:05:09] <alex4nder> way oil
[00:05:20] <alex4nder> and on and on
[00:05:42] <Quack_> if i mill PCBs do i need to replace the carbide bit quite often?
[00:06:39] <syyl> you will ruin a lot of cutters, not nessescary because they get dull...
[00:07:55] <alex4nder> hah
[00:11:12] <frankt> I found that too. I usually only drill and route the outside of the PCB. I break bits while handling. I don't recall ever breaking a bit in the machine.
[00:12:04] <Quack_> you break bits handling them but not in the machine....haha
[00:12:08] <Quack_> makes no sense
[00:12:32] <syyl> oh it does..
[00:13:24] <JT-Shop> makes perfect sense
[00:14:19] * JT-Shop listens to Curtis Lowe
[00:14:33] <Quack_> stupid carbide bit should last for 100 boards
[00:14:38] <Quack_> carbide is way harder than copper
[00:14:53] <JT-Shop> ain't the copper that wears it out...
[00:15:02] <Quack_> hmm
[00:15:11] <Quack_> the FR4? or whatever that is
[00:15:33] <syyl> fr4 can be a bitch
[00:15:43] <JT-Shop> yep, even worse than wood for wearing out tooling
[00:16:22] <Quack_> wood wears out tooling?
[00:16:24] <JT-Shop> oh my now the Ink Spots are playing
[00:16:32] <JT-Shop> yea, real quick
[00:17:08] <Quack_> seems odd to me
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[00:19:47] <syyl> not everything that looks soft, is easy to machine :)
[00:21:17] <Quack_> i dunno it my experience wood router bits last a long ass time
[00:21:33] <Quack_> i guess i was just doing pine tho
[00:22:34] <JT-Shop> if your resawing wood 8 hours a day a blade don't last long before your drawing too much amps (blade dull) and it is time to change it
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[00:23:03] <JT-Shop> bet your router bit didn't stay sharp as long as you think
[00:23:34] <Quack_> yeah probably
[00:24:00] <Quack_> this whole pcb routing thing may be a bag of worms
[00:24:13] <Quack_> lithography might be better to stick to
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[00:30:28] <Quack_> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/2684052562.html
[00:30:42] <Quack_> can you guys take a look at that and tell me if it's worth my time
[00:30:46] <Quack_> it seems to be very old
[00:31:03] <Quack_> and pcb routers don't age well like bavarian made mills
[00:33:32] <andypugh> Looks like a very easy EMC2 conversion.
[00:35:06] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop you ever get your ring light for the scope?
[00:37:26] <andypugh> Quack_: No more money to spend to get that working with EMC2 and making PCBs, so promising in that repect. You might want to budget for a new spindle motor. (It look like the bearings are in a separate housing)
[00:38:03] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: yep, love it
[00:38:09] <Tom_itx> cool
[00:38:32] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: what do you think of Quack_ pcb board maker find?
[00:38:45] <Tom_itx> huh?
[00:38:56] <Tom_itx> sry just walked in.. haven't read logs
[00:38:57] <JT-Shop> Quack_ http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/tls/2684052562.html
[00:39:24] <JT-Shop> do you engrave yours or photo etch them?
[00:39:52] <Tom_itx> i use laser toner transfer or lazy boardhouse order methods
[00:39:58] <Quack_> photo etch currently
[00:40:00] * JT-Shop waves at Andy
[00:40:04] <Quack_> i am getting tired of the chemicals
[00:40:08] <Quack_> i burned myself a few times already
[00:40:18] <Quack_> and the smell is horrendous
[00:40:19] <Tom_itx> the board houses are worth it really
[00:40:31] <Tom_itx> $5 sq in is hard to beat
[00:40:40] * JT-Shop knew that Tom_itx would know best
[00:41:02] <Tom_itx> unless it's something simple and i need it quick
[00:41:21] <JT-Shop> yea, the ring light has a dimmer too so I can make it perfect for me
[00:41:26] <Quack_> ugh i mentioned i do RF stuff
[00:41:35] <Quack_> so i have to spin boards a lot to get the performance i want
[00:41:48] <Quack_> you guys assume i did low frequency stuff
[00:41:56] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, each strip on mine has 2 transistors and the bases are connected to a 'dimmer' pot as well
[00:42:01] <JT-Shop> I never assume anything lol
[00:42:02] <Tom_itx> i don't use it though
[00:42:26] <Tom_itx> Quack_ i recall that from yesterday i think
[00:42:47] <Tom_itx> btw, the new eagle does differential trace matching now
[00:42:53] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I have the VMC up on blocks and ready to move across the garage to the staging area
[00:43:09] <Tom_itx> i spent the day tearing apart a washing machine
[00:43:14] <Tom_itx> need to order bearings now
[00:43:21] <JT-Shop> wig wag bad?
[00:43:32] <Quack_> you use eagle eh./...
[00:43:34] <Tom_itx> front loader, getting rather noisy
[00:43:40] <Quack_> i hate front loaders
[00:43:42] <JT-Shop> heh
[00:43:45] <Tom_itx> i've used eagle quite a while
[00:43:55] <Quack_> i should try it out....
[00:44:05] <Tom_itx> i've got a license for it
[00:44:13] <Tom_itx> not the new one..
[00:44:14] <JT-Shop> I can even make Eagle work... I think
[00:44:47] <Tom_itx> i can probably walk you thru it without starting the program
[00:44:54] <JT-Shop> I spent the day drinking and riding with bikers and collecting toys for tots
[00:44:57] <Quack_> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bfs/2685680550.html
[00:45:13] <Quack_> yo JT lemme join you guys on my scooter
[00:45:20] <JT-Shop> anytime
[00:46:15] <Tom_itx> did you tie elmo to the handlebars?
[00:46:46] <JT-Shop> no, but one of the bikers had Rudolf tied to the front of his bike lol
[00:47:34] <JT-Shop> none of our group would get up on the bar though... I guess we are a bit shy
[00:50:44] <pcw_home> Quack_: That may be also a big large for the garage
[00:50:54] <pcw_home> bit
[00:51:01] <Quack_> ahh ok
[00:51:07] <JT-Shop> well, I'm heading in to relax so talk to you guys later
[00:51:22] <Tom_itx> later
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[01:02:13] <Quack_> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/tls/2676476133.html <----is this overpriced?
[01:02:49] <andypugh> I think so.
[01:03:12] <andypugh> Or maybe not, I forgot that $ are quite small.
[01:03:36] <Quack_> should i submit an offer
[01:03:44] <Quack_> i know this is similar to your siegx3 clone
[01:03:54] <Quack_> holy crap it's 600+ lbs
[01:06:19] <andypugh> It is different to the X3, the X3 has no quill, but then that has no knee feed (I don't think). I think that you can move head on the column, but cuts are applied with the quill.
[01:06:47] <andypugh> It doesn't strike me as a good CNC conversion candidate.
[01:07:12] <pcw_home> Sure you dont want that Might Comet VMC (9K RPM spindle)
[01:07:19] <andypugh> Though the 2HP motor and R8 spindle are better features than I expected.
[01:07:46] <pcw_home> Mighty Comet
[01:07:49] <Quack_> huh?
[01:07:56] <Quack_> is that the biggie
[01:07:59] <andypugh> $890 for a $1100 machine seems steep though.
[01:08:10] <Quack_> i am good at lowballing
[01:08:17] <Quack_> could probably snag it for $500
[01:08:20] <pcw_home> Yes and its 2000 for a 25000 machine
[01:08:41] <pcw_home> may need a little work...
[01:09:08] <Quack_> my mom won't have it
[01:09:13] <andypugh> Quack_: Would that be as well as the PCB mill?
[01:09:15] <Quack_> hahaha it wouldn't even fit in her garage most likely
[01:09:22] <Quack_> yeah i'm getting two separate thing shere
[01:09:26] <Quack_> things here*
[01:09:30] <Quack_> a pcb router and a metal mill
[01:09:52] <andypugh> I am not clear if that PCB router does drilling too.
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[01:11:47] <Quack_> nah that pcb router is junk
[01:11:53] <Quack_> the guides/ways are junk
[01:12:03] <Quack_> i saw some forum that talked about how they need replacing after a while
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[01:12:25] <pcw_home> Looks like a modified plotter
[01:12:46] <Quack_> haha i know it's total junk
[01:13:13] <Tom_itx> kinda what i thought
[01:14:34] <Quack_> http://monterey.craigslist.org/tls/2638075682.html
[01:15:19] <andypugh> Combination machines sound like a great idea. However, they are also rather annoying.
[01:16:41] <andypugh> (I have one).
[01:17:07] <Quack_> haha i bet
[01:17:57] <andypugh> You only have to convert 1 machine to have a CNC lathe _and_ a CNC mill, though. However, a lathe saddle makes a poor milling machine bed, the designs are different for a reason. Might not be too bad with a _good_ lathe bed, but V-flat ways don't suit well.
[01:18:16] <elmo40> just give me a cnc mill with a 4th axis, that would suffice for me. no need for a lathe with a glorified drill press on top of it
[01:18:41] <Quack_> haha
[01:18:42] <andypugh> I make more stuff on the lathe than the mill.
[01:18:48] <elmo40> same
[01:18:48] <Quack_> really
[01:19:04] <Tom_itx> andypugh you have a manual and cnc lathes?
[01:19:16] <elmo40> but I have been out of the automotive for a while. I used to make tonnes of stuff on the mill for that field.
[01:19:21] <andypugh> No, just the CNC combination macine
[01:19:27] <Tom_itx> ahh
[01:20:06] <andypugh> I don't actually make much, to be honest. But what I do make is generally 1916 vehicle parts, and they weren't big on milling back then.
[01:20:18] <andypugh> Anyway. 5am start. Need to sleep.
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[01:20:34] <Quack_> thanks Andy
[01:20:38] <pcw_home> Hey the Mighty Comet only weighs 5000 Kg, That surely could not hurt the garage floor
[01:20:41] <Quack_> i mean . Mr. Pugh lol
[01:21:00] <Quack_> uhhmmm haha
[01:22:27] <pcw_home> thats only 18 cents per pound
[01:22:47] <Quack_> that's pretty cheap even as scrap metal
[01:24:04] <Tom_itx> the mover would take care of that
[01:25:52] <Quack_> how do you know it's called a MIghty Comet
[01:28:44] <pcw_home> Google foo
[01:29:01] <Quack_> can't find it lol
[01:29:33] <pcw_home> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/bfs/2626850309.html
[01:30:21] <Quack_> ahh ok
[01:30:38] <Quack_> it's unfortunate that the damn things is a beast and requires massive power 3phase
[01:30:39] <pcw_home> So probably the sunnyvale one is broken (or the guy left out a zero)
[01:31:17] <Quack_> yeah probably haha
[01:31:18] <pcw_home> a little outside the home workshop range
[01:31:29] <Quack_> i'm gonna put my Tig welder up for trade
[01:31:39] <Quack_> i think this is the best way to get some good equipment offered to me
[01:31:52] <Tom_itx> better keep the tig and use it
[01:33:10] <Tom_itx> i figure if you buy something you had good reason for doing so
[01:33:12] <frankt> I'm trying to compile my external application against the latest emc source. I rely on the headers in the include directory and the libraries. I can't compile any more because it appears there has been a restructure - for example, I cant get RCS_STAT_CHANNEL anymore. Is this just a change in flux? Or a deliberate reorganisation?
[01:33:23] <Quack_> well i wanted to weld up some bike frames and other crap
[01:33:42] <Quack_> but i realized i needed to get a mill so i could make the cuts i needed to to make the tubes fit together well first
[01:34:27] <Tom_itx> you _can_ make butt joints on a drill press but a mill is nicer
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[01:40:20] <Quack_> i tried on my uncle's drill press with a circular cutter
[01:40:26] <Quack_> it was ridiculously loud and annoying
[01:40:38] <Quack_> and the hole cutter broke
[01:41:03] <Tom_itx> spinning it too fast
[01:45:12] <Quack_> oh maybe that's why hahaha
[01:45:20] <Quack_> nah it was pretty slow like 500 rpm
[01:45:29] <Tom_itx> calculate the ipt
[01:45:40] <Tom_itx> and the sfm
[01:46:42] <Tom_itx> and don't stand on the arm when you drill it
[01:47:25] <Tom_itx> i made a bike rack using a $5 cutter i got from ace just fine
[01:47:26] <Quack_> it was really hard steel
[01:47:34] <Quack_> some of the steel they use for bike frame tube is ridiculous
[01:47:45] <Tom_itx> this was 4130
[01:47:55] <Quack_> yeah the stuff i was cutting was way harder
[01:48:04] <Quack_> makes 4130 look like mild steel
[01:48:16] <Quack_> Tom where you at?
[01:48:20] <Quack_> can i come visit your shop
[01:48:33] <Tom_itx> no shop just a hobby
[01:48:46] <Quack_> ok darn
[01:48:59] <Tom_itx> i did stuff for a good friend for quite a while
[01:49:10] <Tom_itx> until he retired and sold the business
[01:50:02] <Tom_itx> http://www.clearwateren.com/
[01:50:37] <Quack_> what do you do now?
[01:50:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.clearwateren.com/gallery.php
[01:51:01] <Tom_itx> i was there when most of those were done
[01:51:13] <Quack_> that's what i wanna do!
[01:51:15] <Quack_> yay
[01:51:40] <Quack_> make cool alum parts for various projects. bike and radio control
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[01:54:07] <Tom_itx> all done on 3 axis
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[01:54:50] <Quack_> can you do those parts with a manual mill? or would that be too hard
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[01:54:58] <Tom_itx> no
[01:55:22] <Tom_itx> not much is flat on those
[01:58:34] <Quack_> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tls/2672783290.html
[01:59:17] <Quack_> would need 3 phase converter to make it work in the garage
[02:00:23] <Tom_itx> should
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[02:28:59] <Quack_> http://www.harborfreight.com/garage-shop/stationary-milling-drilling/3-hp-3-phase-16-speed-milling-machine-38848.html
[02:29:08] <Quack_> i didn't realize harborfreight sold a bridge port clone
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[08:48:21] <MDesade> hello? anyone alive to answer a quick question?
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[08:50:03] <MDesade> i just installed the latest/greatest LinuxEMC based on ubuntu 10.04, and after installation i CAN NOT login into gnome with the password i chose during the installation, the screen acts like it is logging in, a few seconds later it goes black, and then regenerates the same login dialog box like nothing happened
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[10:04:23] <archivist> MDesade, not seen that maybe #ubuntu can help, or just retry the installation
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[15:03:04] <anonimasu> MDesade: why not run in password recovery mode from grub? google "GRUB + password recovery"
[15:06:24] <JT-Shop> wow that was shocking
[15:09:06] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop what's that?
[15:09:11] <Tom_itx> did you feel the quake?
[15:09:36] <Tom_itx> i was in the basement and the whole basement moved
[15:10:48] <Tom_itx> last one in Ks was in the 30's i believe
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[15:11:50] <Tom_itx> wb jt
[15:12:11] <Jymmm> 5.0 in OK
[15:12:20] <Tom_itx> upgraded 5.6
[15:12:39] <Tom_itx> i'm about 2.5hrs N and i felt it
[15:13:32] <Tom_itx> http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/shakemap/global/shake/b0006klz/
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[15:29:20] <JT-Shop> I'm quite far from there it seems about a state and 1/2 away from me
[15:30:02] <Tom_itx> are you near the Mo fault line though?
[15:30:14] <Tom_itx> that was the only one i was aware of around here
[15:30:16] <JT-Shop> yea, it is not far away
[15:30:18] <Tom_itx> until reently
[15:30:27] <Tom_itx> recently
[15:31:07] <Tom_itx> i guess this one runs just east of us from around okc N
[15:31:33] <JT-Shop> the crazy shit the come up with to use EMC for just cracks me up sometimes
[15:31:43] <Tom_itx> the list?
[15:31:44] <JT-Shop> they
[15:32:15] <JT-Shop> the forum is what I read most, the list makes me dizzy trying to follow a conversation so I don't try much
[15:32:32] <Tom_itx> i don't read either one
[15:33:00] <Tom_itx> seems more sane here
[15:35:14] <Tom_itx> have you moved any more equipment in since the lathe?
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[15:50:00] <JT-Shop> moving the VMC atm
[15:51:06] <JT-Shop> from bay 1 to bay3 with a pirouette in the middle of the move
[15:51:40] <JT-Shop> not today but soon it will levitate from the garage to the shop :)
[15:52:21] <Tom_itx> you make it sound easy
[15:52:46] <JT-Shop> the equipment rollers make it easy
[15:52:59] <Tom_itx> i forgot about those
[15:54:29] <JT-Shop> the hard part is getting down on your knees to jack up the machine and put the rollers back in position cause the floor is not perfectly flat
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[17:10:12] <Danimal_garage> hi
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[17:11:28] <skunkKandT> morning
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[17:13:39] <Tom_itx> morning
[17:13:39] <JT-Shop> Sam must be on a tropical island in the Pacific... morning is almost gone here :P
[17:13:47] <Tom_itx> nearly
[17:13:57] <Tom_itx> yardwork all done for now
[17:14:26] <skunkKandT> whatever - I have 45 minutes left.. ;)
[17:14:52] <Tom_itx> same zone as the rest of us great talents
[17:15:35] <skunkKandT> :)
[17:18:44] <archivist> getting dark! past 5pm in real time GMT
[17:18:50] <skunkKandT> heh
[17:19:13] <skunkKandT> we just went though a time change here
[17:19:28] <archivist> last weekend for us
[17:19:52] <Tom_itx> i didn't realize it was staggerd as much as it is
[17:19:58] <Tom_itx> some went last weekend
[17:20:20] <Danimal_garage> it's only 9:20 here
[17:20:23] <Danimal_garage> still morning
[17:20:53] <JT-Shop> time change totally screwed me up today... I'm already having a beer
[17:20:56] <Tom_itx> you'd better make up for what we didn't get done then Danimal_garage
[17:21:14] <Danimal_garage> na
[17:21:23] <Danimal_garage> i'm tinkering with my motorcycle today
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[17:40:57] <MDesade> hello everyone...
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[17:41:36] <Tom_itx> find your password MDesade?
[17:41:44] <MDesade> i posted late last night about not being able to login to gnome after a fresh install, the screwy thing is: i CAN login into the terminal with the same name and password
[17:41:52] <MDesade> its only the gnome part
[17:42:07] <Tom_itx> mmm
[17:42:26] <MDesade> and in the terminal, i set a passoword for root, and chnaged the password for my user
[17:42:37] <MDesade> tried again, nada
[17:42:57] <MDesade> PS. i have used unix for 15 years
[17:42:57] <Tom_itx> maybe a fresh live cd burn?
[17:43:07] <Tom_itx> that's about 14 more than me
[17:43:35] <MDesade> i used the LTS version 10.04
[17:43:56] <MDesade> and i installed it on a via m10000
[17:44:22] <jdhNC> did you try adding a new user?
[17:44:34] <Tom_itx> i used lucid
[17:44:48] <Tom_itx> lts
[17:44:48] <MDesade> best i can figure, its either the install script didn't setup gnome correctly, or? it has a problem with the onboard graphics
[17:45:02] <Tom_itx> graphics may be the issue
[17:45:21] <Tom_itx> seems alot more problems arrise from that than most other things
[17:45:56] <Tom_itx> i don't speak from vast experience though
[17:46:22] <JT-Shop> experienced unix people are the most dangerous
[17:46:33] <JT-Shop> just do a fresh install
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[17:49:25] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[17:51:35] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/182805
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[17:52:14] <Tom_itx> that's not white paint on the wall
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[17:52:21] <Tom_itx> wrong room
[17:53:01] <JT-Shop> the south wall is unfinished original garage wall and awaits new OSB then primer then paint
[17:53:08] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/182806
[17:53:10] <Tom_itx> oh
[17:54:20] <JT-Shop> scroll over to the right and you can see the white wall
[17:54:33] <Tom_itx> yeah
[17:54:36] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/182807
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[17:55:16] <JT-Shop> I had to manually lower the Z axis to fit under the garage door tracks :/
[17:55:35] <Tom_itx> bet that was fun
[17:55:45] <Tom_itx> did the shaft have a hex on top?
[17:57:20] <Danimal_garage> nice John
[17:59:26] <cncbasher> usualy if wire breaks machine stops , rethread wire and start from stop point , with a optional retrace step
[17:59:39] <cncbasher> more of the last few moves held in memory
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[18:04:01] <JT-Shop> spline shaft the brake is the black round thing above the belt
[18:05:19] <JT-Shop> thanks Dan
[18:05:56] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: it is not hard to hold the belt and take off the brake then let it turn down a bit
[18:06:43] <JT-Shop> if only I could get the 308 through the man door... but neither are the correct size
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[18:08:05] <JT-Shop> CHNC headed out the door of the garage http://imagebin.org/182811
[18:08:42] <syyl_> outdoor vmc ;)
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[18:09:12] <JT-Shop> that's the chucker lathe
[18:09:41] <syyl_> oh
[18:09:53] <JT-Shop> looks like a vmc from that view
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[18:12:16] <JT-Shop> but no Z sticking out the top is a hint
[18:14:16] <Tom_itx> i was gonna order a tip yesterday and they took their online order down
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[18:28:54] <IchGucksLive> hi all is there anywhere a good video or step by step text for Beginners and servo systems i shot 4 motors and want to build my first servo maschine
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[18:29:35] <MDesade> ok, im back
[18:30:14] <MDesade> i added another user, with a different password, and gnome gives me a generic "authentication error"
[18:30:27] <MDesade> so, this is definitely a gnome issue
[18:31:18] <MDesade> so, im thinking i can easily install whatever version of ubuntu/kubuntu on my own, is there a way to install EMC from source? or as a package? without their "live CD"
[18:32:01] <Tom_itx> you need the realtime parts of it
[18:32:35] <Tom_itx> that's why they support what they support
[18:33:09] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2
[18:33:13] <Tom_itx> in answer, yes there is source
[18:33:37] <MDesade> ok, ill give that a try...
[18:34:20] <MDesade> speaking of "realtime" im surprised they didn't go with CentOS instead??
[18:34:33] <JT-Shop> the EMC livecd is the easy way
[18:35:05] <Tom_itx> he don't sound like the 'easy' type
[18:35:12] <JT-Shop> dammit the spindle orientation on the vmc uses the encoder index and now it is off
[18:35:20] <JT-Shop> after changing the belt
[18:35:25] <MDesade> "asterisk" is a "realtime" application (its a PBX based on linux, and routes calls to analog or digital phones) and they are insistent on using CentOS as it has better "realtime" stuff
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[18:35:31] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, forget to mark it?
[18:35:51] * JT-Shop goes to take a nap and think about it
[18:36:04] <Quack_> hi JT
[18:36:07] <MDesade> JT-Shop i'd prefer EASY, i am not trying to make this difficult
[18:36:19] <JT-Shop> no, I assumed it used a prox or something I could not see but...
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[18:36:23] <Quack_> hey JT is a Lagun a good brand?
[18:36:29] <JT-Shop> yea
[18:36:36] <Quack_> better than B-port?
[18:36:58] <Quack_> aiite sorry i'll let you go nap in time for the football games
[18:37:01] <JT-Shop> some like them better, I think the spindle is better
[18:37:17] <MDesade> i am retro-fitting a Smithy CB-1220-XL (usa made) 3-in-1 machine to be a CNC, and i am also considering a windows/mach based as well
[18:37:24] <MDesade> whatever works is my thing
[18:37:25] <Quack_> is $3600 too much to pay for a used one?
[18:37:40] <Quack_> OOOO smithy ...i saw one of those on craigslist for like $1500
[18:37:45] <JT-Shop> JT = nap, one each
[18:37:46] <JT-Shop> bbl
[18:37:48] <Quack_> the 1720 (older model prob)
[18:37:53] <Quack_> later JT
[18:38:44] <MDesade> i got it for $200 - long story short, their son died and they just wanted it gone
[18:39:36] <MDesade> i tried to give them more, as it was TOO cheap, but they wouldn't take it
[18:39:38] <Quack_> a used one is worth about $600
[18:39:42] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: what are you going to do with this
[18:40:10] <MDesade> rapid prototyping of plastic enclosures for my companies electronics
[18:40:47] <IchGucksLive> nice base system to start with
[18:40:56] <MDesade> later on (after that is done) ill machine metal parts for whatever i am making at the time, but for now that is it's job
[18:41:37] <MDesade> yep, the servos and H-drives are next which ill get from keling-inc
[18:42:51] <Quack_> are you going with servos over steppers?
[18:43:01] <Quack_> IchGucks you think the Smithy is nice?!?!
[18:43:39] <MDesade> Quack ok, whats the difference??
[18:43:47] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: there are simular kits in the chinease for 1/3 of the price
[18:44:19] <MDesade> http://www.kelinginc.net/CNCNEMA34Package.html
[18:44:31] <Quack_> servos are like brushless motors or DC motors....like a normal motor for an appliance. and they are used in tandem with an encoder in a feedback loop. whereas steppers are stepper motors that get really hot
[18:44:43] <Quack_> stepper motors hold an exact position
[18:44:57] <Quack_> steppers can be used in a feedback loop too but they don't have to be
[18:44:59] <MDesade> i was going to use the 800 dollar kit, except, call it more like 600 because the Z-axis (up and down) doesn't need to be that large
[18:45:15] <Quack_> IchGucks can you please show me which machines you are referring to?
[18:46:45] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=CB-1220-XL&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=4185l5395l1l5611l3l3l0l0l0l0l287l539l2-2l2l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1462&bih=839&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
[18:46:53] <MDesade> IchGucksLive - ill stick with american, as i need it to be reliable, and i need to do this sooner than later
[18:47:06] <Tom_itx> i doubt they are american
[18:47:07] <Quack_> Note: he already got it for 1/3 the price lol
[18:47:12] <Tom_itx> i've gotten servos from him
[18:47:23] <Tom_itx> he has good service but alot of the drivers are chinese renames
[18:47:32] <MDesade> hrmmm
[18:47:39] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: http://www.home-machine-shop.com/projects/projects-smithy-projects.htm
[18:47:48] <Tom_itx> err steppers..
[18:48:34] <IchGucksLive> with steppers i stay with EPSON printer
[18:48:37] <Quack_> so a smithy is a decent machine?
[18:49:18] <Quack_> i hear people using lathes quite a bit so maybe i could use a lathe too
[18:49:28] <MDesade> IchGucksLive - thanks for the link!
[18:49:38] <MDesade> most of those are similar to mine
[18:49:39] <IchGucksLive> NP
[18:50:13] <MDesade> Quack - smithy used to be better, before they were sold at harbour freight
[18:50:19] <Quack_> hahaha
[18:50:23] <MDesade> they "used to be" made in oregon
[18:50:51] <MDesade> i got lucky, as even when i bought this one, i didn't know the difference
[18:51:19] <MDesade> like i said, parents were trying to get rid of their son's stuff after a tragedy, and they just wanted it gone
[18:52:02] <Quack_> sad story
[18:53:16] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: ASTROSYN 23LM-C355-44W this woudt be the best for you
[18:53:35] <IchGucksLive> cheep and lots of power on low Ampers
[18:54:55] <Quack_> IchGucksLive can you send me some more pics of the machine you use to do PCB routing (as well as some more PCB pictures)
[18:54:56] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: with a board like -> http://cgi.ebay.de/3-Axis-TB6560-CNC-Stepper-Motor-Driver-Controller-Board-/280663922179
[18:55:12] <IchGucksLive> you below 100 Dollar for the electronics
[18:55:36] <IchGucksLive> i build my own mashines
[18:55:47] <IchGucksLive> as i need alot for education
[18:56:13] <Tom_itx> does that do microstepping pretty good?
[18:56:24] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: http://foengarage.de/minimill_4.png 6x6x3 inch
[18:56:36] <IchGucksLive> Tom_itx: !/16
[18:56:44] <IchGucksLive> 1/16
[18:57:15] <IchGucksLive> but i go hard driven with the Timing beld at Half step max
[18:58:42] <IchGucksLive> the epson steppers Nema 23 1,5A 1,2Nm
[18:58:47] <IchGucksLive> 11Euros
[18:58:56] <archivist> Tom_itx, microstepping is not that sensible http://www.micromo.com/microstepping-myths-and-realities.aspx
[18:59:09] <Quack_> can you make me a pcb routing machine?
[18:59:15] <Tom_itx> archivist, i know
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[18:59:41] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: the next metell shop in your area will hold the parts
[18:59:57] <Quack_> well i prefer a finished machine to start off with
[19:00:07] <Quack_> do you build many for education purposes?
[19:00:17] <skunkKandT> Quack_: http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/DSCgantry.JPG
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[19:00:31] <IchGucksLive> 14 done 12 to go
[19:00:41] <Quack_> cool gantry
[19:00:44] <Quack_> yeah how much do they cost?
[19:00:55] <Quack_> i'll pay you $600 for it
[19:00:56] <IchGucksLive> im below 400 euros
[19:01:27] <syyl_> 400 with working hours?
[19:01:33] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: where are you from
[19:01:44] <MDesade> ok, i am downloading the 8.04 version, and ill see if that installs better
[19:01:52] <Quack_> san francisco, california, USA
[19:02:03] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: go for 10.04
[19:02:18] <Tom_itx> IchGucksLive, he tried it i believe
[19:02:33] <MDesade> yeah, i have it running now, i just can't login
[19:02:34] <IchGucksLive> then we can meet in january im at the Haas manufacturing show
[19:02:55] <MDesade> so, i gotta isolate the problem, so ill try 8.04
[19:03:23] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: live cd in and kill the login file
[19:03:33] <Quack_> where is the Haas manufacturing show?
[19:03:36] <Quack_> San Fran?
[19:03:56] <MDesade> IchGucksLive - i didn't think of that... good plan
[19:04:25] <IchGucksLive> use the ubuntu irc channel for the support
[19:04:50] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: i thinc santa monica
[19:05:19] <Quack_> oh ok cool
[19:05:22] <MDesade> ive used ubuntu for years, i don't think that is the issue, but yes if i have an ubuntu question ill ask there
[19:05:22] <Quack_> yes, let us meet then
[19:09:11] <skunkKandT> MDesade: you can install the ubuntu verison of the lts live cd - then install emc2... like 10.04
[19:11:34] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: why is the login corrupt ? dident you start from blanc particion
[19:13:07] <MDesade> i did, and i formated it, and setup a swap file. not sure WHY its corrupt, i just know it is
[19:13:59] <MDesade> i ALSO have the 10.04 64bit version sitting here, i would just have to DL the 32bit for this machine
[19:14:19] <MDesade> i have a few ways i can do this...
[19:20:05] <IchGucksLive> MDesade: try to find the english of this http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Zugangsdaten_vergessen
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[19:22:36] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/061111202214_pcb_milling.jpg
[19:22:59] <Quack_> are you the guy who made the pendant but pronounced it as "pedant"
[19:23:11] <IchGucksLive> yes
[19:23:21] <Quack_> i saw this on youtube somewhere i believe haha
[19:23:27] <Quack_> this is cool
[19:23:32] <Quack_> not sure what it does but it's cool
[19:24:04] <IchGucksLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5_4S24dW8w
[19:24:08] <IchGucksLive> this one
[19:24:44] <Quack_> yes, this one....what does the pendant do?
[19:25:19] <IchGucksLive> drive the mashine from beside the mashine
[19:26:02] <IchGucksLive> so ok time is of till tomorrow
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[19:50:50] <skunkKandT> half clean.. http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=182822
[19:50:55] <skunkKandT> (crappy phone)
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[19:54:48] <Quack_> your garage looks like a big mess
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[19:58:50] <Loetmichel> Quack_: not really.
[19:59:04] <Loetmichel> MINE is more chaotic ;-)
[19:59:36] <Quack_> haha
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[20:05:18] <archivist> far too tidy to be called a mess
[20:05:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: jthornton got a new bike huh? http://seeifixedit.com/uploads/pics/big/279-fixer%20of%20the%20things.jpg
[20:06:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: the dog is a nice touch
[20:10:07] <Jymmm> Got Bacon? "LOL" http://seeifixedit.com/uploads/pics/big/276-mrfix.jpg
[20:10:55] <Tom_itx> do you lol first or call?
[20:17:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop's nap time... http://seeifixedit.com/uploads/pics/big/294-112.jpg
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[20:20:26] <skunkKandT> :)
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[20:22:08] <Jymmm> Would you sit in this? http://seeifixedit.com/uploads/pics/big/333-kyle.jpg
[20:29:31] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I know it's the start of the rainy season, but really? http://seeifixedit.com/uploads/pics/big/271-MRFIX.jpg
[20:30:28] <Jymmm> Hmmm, this looks like it might actually work, can't tell for sure... http://seeifixedit.com/uploads/pics/big/277-Yourfav.jpg
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[20:52:36] <gene76> humm, gotta change my nick, I'm 77 now :)
[20:52:53] <Jymmm> HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!
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[20:52:55] <Jymmm> HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!
[20:52:56] <Jymmm> HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!
[20:52:57] <Jymmm> HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!
[20:53:35] <Jymmm> gene76: When you hit 50, you need to start counting backwards ;)
[20:53:40] <gene76> Anyway, its obvious to me either I don't know what the heck I'm doing, or counterbore.py, version 1.3.1 is busted
[20:54:28] <gene76> Izzat how you do it? I thought it was 39 and holding, anything that will stand still to be held. :)
[20:54:36] <skunkKandT> heh - I almost posted this after a failed spell check.. 'I know of a handful of people that have converted to stressfully to emc2.'
[20:54:56] <Jymmm> hahaha
[20:55:01] <Quack_> happy bday Gene
[20:55:08] <gene76> anyway, the results I am stuffing intyo emc from counterbore.py are effectively randon ndata
[20:55:09] <Quack_> you have good genes
[20:55:15] <Quack_> <3
[20:55:23] <Jymmm> skunkKandT: Well, truth in advertising?
[20:55:40] <gene76> If that was true, wy aren't my kids all genuises?
[20:56:09] <Quack_> hahaha...
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[20:57:21] <gene76> Thanls for the bday wishes, but that was a bit over 30 days back.
[20:57:51] <Tom_itx> just now realising it?
[20:57:53] <JT-Shop> wanted to make sure it stuck before you announced it?
[20:57:57] <skunkKandT> Is it scary that I can adjust a part by .0015" and it changes by that amount exactly? My hugs the k&t
[20:58:44] <skunkKandT> wow - I don't think my brain is working well today.
[20:59:19] <gene76> ANyway, how do you get counterbore.py to output sensible code, I just carved the beginning of a .750 recess in a brass part, when it was told t0 carve a recess .600 in diameter, .125 deep, using a .250 diameter mill. WTF?
[20:59:37] * JT-Shop runs and hids
[20:59:39] <JT-Shop> hides
[20:59:40] <gene76> something like that John
[20:59:48] * skunkKandT has never used the counterbore.py
[21:00:05] * JT-Shop wrote it :/
[21:00:10] <skunkKandT> heh
[21:00:40] <gene76> It did work, a year or so back, but its sure broken now
[21:00:45] <JT-Shop> gene76: do you have the latest version from the wiki?
[21:00:51] <gene76> 1.31.
[21:01:00] <gene76> ior 1.3.1
[21:01:14] <gene76> just pulled it
[21:01:20] <skunkKandT> jeepers - I really need to stop complaining about the spindle growth and hook up the temp sensor.
[21:02:39] <gene76> It shows the correct diameter in emc, but it looks like its using a point for tool diameter
[21:02:47] <JT-Shop> from your numbers it is not subtracting the tool diameter
[21:03:24] <skunkKandT> does it take into account the tool table?
[21:03:27] <JT-Shop> from the hole diameter
[21:03:32] <JT-Shop> no it is really dumb
[21:03:42] <Tom_itx> :/
[21:03:58] <gene76> oh oh, I opened a can of worms?
[21:03:59] * skunkKandT likes it that way
[21:04:01] <Tom_itx> well smarten it up
[21:04:22] <skunkKandT> one of these days I am actually going to use the tool table for tool offsets...
[21:05:06] <JT-Shop> uh oh I just got paged... I heard the cannon go off
[21:05:35] <Tom_itx> time to play
[21:05:41] <skunkKandT> Tom_itx: Cleanest it has been in months.. (still cutting parts on the other side) http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=182822
[21:06:04] <Tom_itx> saw that a bit ago
[21:06:06] <gene76> Oh, maybe I found it, I just measured the head of the bolt again, and I have NDI where I got the .6, but its .360
[21:06:08] <JT-Shop> gene76: I'll see what I messed up and load a new version in the morning
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[21:07:05] <gene76> Let me test once more John, I am beginning to think I fat fingered it
[21:07:06] <skunkKandT> heh
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[21:13:31] <gene76> looks like that was it, this time it was a red one undersized. Thanks John
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[21:15:45] <maxster> Hello, I am figuring out how to setup my maxnc 10 OL with emc... It seems I should use quadrature and not step and step direction. How do I go a about setting up 2 channel quadrature?
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[21:17:12] <skunkKandT> maxster: you need to change the hal file so that the stepgen is set to quadature
[21:17:14] <skunkKandT> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[21:17:27] <skunkKandT> looks like type 2
[21:17:48] <maxster> ah cool, thanks, will do
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[21:18:51] <skunkKandT> maxster: your pin names will change so you will have to do a bit of re-hooking of the printer port to the stepgen module.
[21:19:39] <maxster> skunkKandT: from the stepconf, or straight up file edit
[21:19:41] <maxster> ?
[21:20:07] <skunkKandT> file edit probaby.. I don't think stepconf will do quadature setup
[21:20:43] <maxster> cool
[21:21:33] <Tom_itx> does parport have enough pins for quadrature too?
[21:22:43] <skunkKandT> still is 2 pins
[21:22:49] <skunkKandT> a/b vs step/dir
[21:22:50] <maxster> it seems it is "two channel quadrature?" 2 channels per axis
[21:24:42] <maxster> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=53ifpn7095lel6k5oa1oelejq5&topic=202.msg1021#msg1021
[21:24:48] <maxster> that would be the pinout
[21:26:35] <maxster> anyone has a sample config with 2 channel quadrature that I could check out?
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[21:35:51] <Jymmm> skunkKandT: can you do PCB's on your machine? Have you tried?
[21:36:36] <skunkKandT> the k&t?
[21:36:40] <Jymmm> eah
[21:36:42] <Jymmm> yeah
[21:36:52] <skunkKandT> no. I think they would be a pain to do on there
[21:37:40] <skunkKandT> I have not made any in a while
[21:37:41] <Jymmm> skunkKandT: It be funny to see the monster create this itty bitty thing, plus see how accurate it can be
[21:38:06] <skunkKandT> It would be accurate.. but it would take a while.
[21:38:33] <Jymmm> skunkKandT: Just have multiple cameras going when it did it, when make a killer video
[21:38:44] <Jymmm> would make...
[21:38:55] <skunkKandT> heh
[21:39:16] <Jymmm> different angles, POV's, zoomed in/out, etc
[21:40:31] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-11-06_21-19-11_908.jpg
[21:40:44] <syyl> another two gears machined :)
[21:41:50] <Tom_itx> those look pretty good
[21:42:26] <skunkKandT> syyl: nice!
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[21:43:07] <syyl> thanks :)
[21:43:11] <syyl> emc did all the work...
[21:44:08] <skunkKandT> heh - I don't give emc all the credit...
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[21:45:39] <skunkKandT> (just most of it)
[21:45:46] <syyl> hehe
[21:45:50] <Jymmm> heh
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[23:16:01] <Jymmm> DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNN... THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.flixxy.com/yamaha-raptor-sport-atv.htm
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[23:48:25] <jdhNC> anyone have a simple continuity kind of height probe?
[23:48:29] <jdhNC> or a reference?
[23:49:30] <Tom_itx> height?
[23:49:36] <jdhNC> yes
[23:49:51] <jdhNC> I just want to probe the top of a pcb
[23:50:13] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/small_probe7_small.jpg
[23:50:15] <jdhNC> with a regular endmill/whatever
[23:50:18] <Tom_itx> that's my latest probe
[23:50:22] <Tom_itx> oh
[23:50:32] <Tom_itx> just use the pcb
[23:50:38] <Tom_itx> and attack it slow
[23:50:55] <jdhNC> any automated code to do the probing?
[23:51:20] <Tom_itx> there may be samples in the emc files
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[23:51:33] <Tom_itx> i was looking at some but haven't gotten far enough to test them
[23:51:55] <Tom_itx> there's a gcode then you use the .x for the axis
[23:54:56] <jdhNC> I want to see how badly trammed it currently is. I have no good method of mounting any indicators I own to the spindle
[23:55:40] <Tom_itx> G38
[23:55:52] <Tom_itx> then the .x is the axis
[23:56:10] <Tom_itx> look at smartprobe.ngc
[23:56:10] <Tom_itx> etc
[23:56:24] <Tom_itx> touchoff.ngc
[23:56:35] <Tom_itx> that one is to find a surface
[23:56:56] <Tom_itx> take out the torch stuff
[23:58:26] <Tom_itx> tool-length-probe.ngc