#emc | Logs for 2011-11-04

[00:02:45] <A2Sheds> sorry 20 MHz
[00:02:55] <A2Sheds> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_band
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[00:04:09] <A2Sheds> 4MHz guard band between channels of the same polarization, but overlapped
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[00:04:41] <Quack_> that's not still in use is it?
[00:04:53] <A2Sheds> a mini-mill would have come in handy back then
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[00:06:18] <Quack_> so can i route PCBs on a CNC mini mill?
[00:06:28] <Quack_> do some ppl do that and would it be as fast as a dedicated PCB router
[00:06:28] <A2Sheds> yes, it's mostly encrypted now
[00:07:00] <A2Sheds> many here mill their own PCB's
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[00:09:20] <Quack_> using what though, is what i'd like to know?
[00:09:49] <Tom_itx> you can mill boards with a relatively cheap setup
[00:10:00] <Quack_> yes but which setup
[00:10:01] <Tom_itx> you need a high speed spindle and carbide cutters
[00:10:08] <Quack_> i wish i could talk to someone who actually DOES it currently
[00:10:18] <Quack_> yeah but what mill?
[00:10:31] <Tom_itx> http://www.probotix.com/
[00:10:34] <Tom_itx> or whatever
[00:10:43] <Tom_itx> you won't cut anything very heavy with that
[00:15:05] <Quack_> no way i'm gonna pay $3000 to cut PCBs
[00:15:07] <Quack_> crazy
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[00:15:34] <Tom_itx> do it the easy way: http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/etching/etch_index.php
[00:16:33] <Quack_> i already etch them
[00:16:40] <Quack_> and i find it annoying for me
[00:16:42] <Tom_itx> why change then
[00:16:49] <Quack_> because i'm sick of chemicals
[00:16:51] <Tom_itx> so send them out
[00:17:15] <Tom_itx> cheaper than buying a mill just for that
[00:17:17] <A2Sheds> Quack_ : I used to use laser transparencies and photoresist to make my boards
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[00:18:28] <Quack_> photoresist is terrible for you
[00:18:38] <Quack_> there's a few that aren't
[00:18:42] <Quack_> but those are quite pricey
[00:18:50] <A2Sheds> the problem with sending out files to make microwave boards is finding a board house that stock PTFE+fiberglass core
[00:18:54] <Quack_> photoresist is like the most carcinogenic thing there is
[00:19:03] <Quack_> full of volatile chemicals that have to evaporate quickly
[00:19:13] <Quack_> right......that too
[00:19:51] <A2Sheds> http://www.surplussales.com/rf/RFMicrowaveCir.html
[00:20:09] <Tom_itx> FR4 dust is no better
[00:20:32] <Quack_> FR4 dust is bad but at least it doesn't get all over the place if you're careful
[00:20:38] <Quack_> volatile chemicals disperse immediately
[00:20:45] <A2Sheds> http://www.rogerscorp.com/acm/producttypes/2/Advanced-Circuit-Materials.aspx
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[00:47:53] <Quack_> do u know anyone doing PCB milling on a converted taig or sherline or harbor frieght or similar?
[00:50:06] <andypugh> I am not sure what IchGucksLive uses, but he posted this picture earlier: http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/031111202453_V1_cambleFrame.jpg
[00:50:17] <andypugh> Some nicely milled PCBs there
[00:54:31] <Jymmm> http://manneli.com/movies/tech/Swiss-RoomBox.html
[00:55:17] <Quack_> i gotta talk to Gucks
[00:55:43] <Quack_> what is that last link?
[00:57:35] <andypugh> A neat multi-purpose hard-to-describe thing.
[00:57:57] <skunkworks> I have done some on a large home made gantry
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[00:58:00] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/amp.JPG
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[01:00:14] <Jymmm> skunkworks: nice
[01:00:29] <andypugh> Night all, up early tomorrow to try to get a US Visa.
[01:00:57] <Quack_> come visit me andy
[01:01:00] <Quack_> g'nite
[01:01:09] <andypugh> Stupid system, not even allowed a bag or a phone when I visit the Embassy.
[01:01:54] <skunkworks> Jymmm: thanks
[01:02:19] <skunkworks> andypugh: good luck!
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[01:21:41] <Quack_> hey skunkworks can you send me pics of your gantry router?
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[03:36:37] <ssi> anyone have any thoughts on setting emc up to chase a thread?
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[05:39:30] <archivist> ssi, an existing thread?
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[10:29:28] <rooks> hey, i think you might like it guys for your own timelapse vids of making stuff with cnc :) http://pleasanthacking.com/2011/11/04/extreme-grass-grow-watching/
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[12:12:49] <ssi> archivist: yeah, pick up an existing thread that wasn't cut on this lathe and re-cut it to a smaller major (or larger for internal threads)
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[12:29:16] <archivist> ssi, not on without some effort as the current threading is related to the index pulse, if you can measure and set up well enough you could I suppose
[12:30:41] <archivist> run it very slowly and over dia adjust till it is right/near enough
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[13:13:02] <anonimasu> ssi: cant you just offset the start until it picks up?
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[14:49:10] <IG-garage> had been drilling upper part of oxygen converter with magnet drill all day long. 72 holes at a diameter of 7.5 meters. 32 mm hollow end mill, what a huge thing to get steel out of iron
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[14:51:42] <A2Sheds> IG-garage: the holes are a diameter of 7.5 meters? What is the size of part?
[14:52:38] <IG-garage> no they are 32 mm in diameter, on the circumvent of 7.5 meters
[14:53:57] <IG-garage> this plant i am working at right now produces almost whatever out of steel. My foreman have said she did not sleep thinking how will we drill this thing today
[14:54:13] <A2Sheds> ah, pictured a part the size of a Fussball field
[14:55:48] <IG-garage> no, there are no such huge parts (if it's not a sea ship)
[14:56:24] <A2Sheds> yes, I just got it wrong :)
[14:59:22] <IG-garage> when i first time was at a metallurgical plant, some things looked huge (cranes, oxygen converter, and the "machine of constant pouring-off of the steel" - "MNLZ" as it's called).
[15:01:53] <IG-garage> and the height of the department, it was huge. people at the floor looked as tiny spots from under the roof where the rails of the cranes are reside.
[15:03:34] <jdhNC> what's an oxygen convertor?
[15:04:10] <skunkworks> converts gold into oxygen? ;)
[15:07:09] <MattyMatt> bessemer convertor?
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[15:08:16] <MattyMatt> we don't name airports after presidents, but we sure do name our inventions after the most prominent english contributor to the invention >:)
[15:09:52] <MattyMatt> or more likely scottish, but they are english subjects too
[15:10:45] <skunkworks> heh
[15:11:36] <IG-garage> it converts iron into steel with help of oxygen being blown into the melt iron
[15:11:48] <MattyMatt> yep that's a bessemer
[15:12:18] <IG-garage> maybe, but who knows... we speak on the different languages, you and me
[15:13:44] <skunkworks> heh - it is all reletive
[15:16:19] <IG-garage> it will be cooled down with liquid hydrogen or something, at sides and the top
[15:16:41] <MattyMatt> that's a new twist. they didn't do that in 1880
[15:17:11] <skunkworks> it wasn't until the aliens gave us that technology...
[15:17:12] <MattyMatt> coal + limestone + iron + oxygen
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[15:17:57] * skunkworks is feeling a bit punch drunk this morning
[15:18:00] <MattyMatt> + a couple of ironworkers, for vitamins
[15:18:14] <IG-garage> who knows... history can be rewritten by the governments for civil people to believe in advertising
[15:19:07] <jdhNC> governments or popes
[15:19:08] <MattyMatt> you can read 2 ways and beleive which one you like. e.g. I believe TV & computers were invented in UK
[15:19:18] <IG-garage> ...and the advertising... it advertises the advertised thingies in its turn
[15:19:37] <IG-garage> who cares...
[15:20:49] <MattyMatt> Apple invented the mp3 player and the keyboardless computer >:)
[15:21:40] <MattyMatt> we even have a myth that Jesus lived in england
[15:22:15] <MattyMatt> between the ages of 12 and when he started his political career
[15:22:48] <jdhNC> and he was white
[15:22:51] <MattyMatt> that's why Jesus made his CNC out of wood
[15:23:33] * MattyMatt starts new myth
[15:23:35] <IG-garage> why we still need to think when and where and who mis the jesus. there're certain rules are proclaimed and they are not so bad
[15:24:01] <jdhNC> right. don't eat pork or shellfish.
[15:24:04] <IG-garage> searching for the genuine source is tricky and idealistically- trapping sthingie
[15:24:14] <jdhNC> and you can sell your daughters as slaves.
[15:24:45] <MattyMatt> Jesus did like his prostitutes. he was a politician after all
[15:25:25] <A2Sheds> did I miss the start of Happy Hour?
[15:25:36] * MattyMatt drinking coffee
[15:26:05] <MattyMatt> psu in my emc2 machine died. I've run out of spares
[15:26:24] <MattyMatt> I've got one psu between 5 machines
[15:26:44] <A2Sheds> if you order an Irish Coffee in Ireland, do they give you just coffee?
[15:27:17] <MattyMatt> maybe if you order just coffee, they put whiskey in it
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[15:29:03] <jdhNC> mine are in the garage (deco bottles)
[15:29:10] <jdhNC> <urk>
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[15:57:03] <Jymmm> Ug
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[16:19:38] <Danimal_garage> hi
[16:25:51] <skunkworks> Hello!
[16:25:57] <skunkworks> It is friday!
[16:33:55] <Danimal_garage> it is?
[16:33:59] <Danimal_garage> you're right
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[16:34:26] <syyl> its friday and i have school tomorrow
[16:34:28] <syyl> mpf
[16:34:45] <Danimal_garage> weekends don't matter to me so much..... when you're self employed, it all sort of blobs together
[16:35:02] <Danimal_garage> except for the fact that i can choose not to answer emails
[16:36:54] <IG-garage> it's a celebration of the revolution of the Soviets in Russia today. But I drilled the top of the oxygen converter all day long...
[16:37:30] <IG-garage> this Friday is the weekend
[16:40:41] <Danimal_garage> are you a commie?
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[16:44:15] <IG-garage> well, "i'm the child mother's brother and i care" as in the movie "policemen and chieves" is said
[16:45:10] <Danimal_garage> so you're a communist, twice removed?
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[16:47:52] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: he uses public transportation?
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[16:53:49] <Danimal_garage> yea, never trustthose people
[16:54:08] <Jymmm> I NEVER do, damn tree huggers!
[16:54:44] <Jymmm> almost as bad as damn bicyclists!
[16:56:02] <Jymmm> No, I take that back. There's nothing as bad as bicyclists.
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[16:58:38] <Danimal_garage> however there's nothing worse than those dreaded people who spell their name funny just to be different
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[16:59:06] <Jymmm> or because the real spelling wasn't available.
[16:59:10] <Jymmm> =)
[17:04:00] <Danimal_garage> i don't see a jim in here
[17:04:15] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: on the FN network
[17:04:57] <Danimal_garage> likely story
[17:05:03] <Jymmm> heh
[17:05:31] <Jymmm> That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
[17:21:04] <Danimal_garage> hmm i'm actually working today. this wasn't my plan, wtf.
[17:21:21] <Danimal_garage> i gotta start drinking again, i'm getting my work ethics back
[17:29:54] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: how did your trade show go?
[17:30:56] <Danimal_garage> trade show?
[17:31:08] <Danimal_garage> oh, the race i set a booth up at?
[17:31:18] <A2Sheds> yeah, oh it was a race
[17:31:36] <Danimal_garage> it was ok, i'll probably get a little business out of it
[17:33:28] <Danimal_garage> some guy kept trying to get my to apply for a job where he worked
[17:33:42] <Danimal_garage> but i dont think i want to go back to work again
[17:33:58] <A2Sheds> cnc operator?
[17:34:07] <Danimal_garage> i dunno, probably
[17:34:14] <Danimal_garage> it was at a good company
[17:34:37] <Danimal_garage> i doubt they'd pay enough though
[17:36:49] <A2Sheds> I'd look for sales reps to push your parts to higher end bike shops around the country
[17:37:15] <Danimal_garage> eh, i dont really want to sell to shops
[17:37:27] <Danimal_garage> i make enough selling direct to public
[17:37:50] <Danimal_garage> i have a select few shops i sell to
[17:38:03] <Danimal_garage> only because they buy decent volume
[17:39:00] <Danimal_garage> most shops would onsie-twosie me to death
[17:39:30] <A2Sheds> ah, so it would have to be through distributors
[17:39:52] <Danimal_garage> yea, and they take a bigger cut
[17:39:55] <Danimal_garage> so i'd make even less
[17:40:18] <A2Sheds> unless they placed large orders, and then you'd move to China :p
[17:40:38] <Danimal_garage> na, i'll shut the doors before i outsource
[17:41:55] <A2Sheds> have you ever noticed a decent electric motor system for conversions?
[17:42:28] <Danimal_garage> for bikes?
[17:42:32] <A2Sheds> yes
[17:42:43] <Danimal_garage> no, i don't really follow that kind of stuff
[17:43:02] <Danimal_garage> mine's mostly for race bikes, motors are no bueno there
[17:43:44] <DaViruz> Danimal_garage: what kind of parts do you make?
[17:44:10] <Danimal_garage> mountain bike chainrings and sprockets
[17:44:32] <DaViruz> oh.
[17:45:01] <A2Sheds> I have a bike trail 100 yards from me that runs >100 miles, I hear it connects to some national trail
[17:45:52] <Danimal_garage> what state?
[17:46:06] <A2Sheds> Illinois
[17:46:10] <Danimal_garage> ah
[17:46:21] <Danimal_garage> not too sure what that would be
[17:49:17] <A2Sheds> it follows old railway tracks out to Iowa
[17:49:51] <Danimal_garage> sounds..... boring lol
[17:51:16] <A2Sheds> heh, I run into people that ride 100mi of it on the weekends, I think they just like 12 hr bike rides
[17:52:42] <Danimal_garage> i know there's some gravel grinders out there, especially iowa
[17:52:56] <Danimal_garage> people who just ride miles and miles of gravel roads forever
[17:53:04] <Danimal_garage> i'd personally shoot myself
[17:53:38] <Danimal_garage> but i'm a bit biased, we have some of the country's best singletrack trails out here
[17:54:57] <A2Sheds> and the weather to go with it
[17:55:28] <Danimal_garage> it's raining today lol
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[17:56:27] <Danimal_garage> good day for working i guess
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[18:30:59] <IchGucksLive> Good evening
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[18:47:03] <IchGucksLive> Connor: ?
[18:47:12] <Connor> yea
[18:47:25] <IchGucksLive> did you see the vid yesterday
[18:47:43] <Connor> I watched some of it.. I'm on a dead line for a project and didn't get to watch all of it.
[18:48:15] <IchGucksLive> im geting light beond the tunnel
[18:48:34] <Connor> Yea. It looks like you've got most of the stuff figured out.
[18:49:05] <ville> Is this channel strictly about EMC or can generic machinist topics be discussed?
[18:49:31] <cradek> there is often talk about machining
[18:50:15] <ville> cradek: So it is at least tolerated. Ok. Wouldn't know of a specific channel for hobby machinists?
[18:50:30] <Tom_itx> just mention you might consider using emc and you can rant all you want for a week or so
[18:50:38] <ville> heh
[18:50:42] <cradek> no I don't. the smart ones are here though, since they also use emc
[18:51:06] <ville> Tom_itx: first I have to build my equipment though before I can even start to use EMC
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[19:17:36] <Quack_> sup sup
[19:17:41] <Quack_> i still need suggestions guys
[19:18:25] <cradek> I suggest trying a clearer statement of your question.
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[19:21:54] <Quack_> any recommendations on mills
[19:22:00] <Quack_> i really still do'nt know the capabilities of these so-called mini mills yet
[19:22:17] <cradek> what do you want to do with it?
[19:22:21] <IchGucksLive> Connor: i git spelling trouble whodt it be better to Display CD or DC indicading Connection Down Disconnect
[19:22:21] <Quack_> i really would like to talk to someone who has owned one of the more powerful mini mills (not a taig or sherline)
[19:22:34] <Quack_> aluminum mostly and some mild steel
[19:23:06] <IchGucksLive> i got 25 Minimills in stock
[19:23:10] <Connor> To indicate if the Pendant is not connected or lost communications ?
[19:23:10] <IchGucksLive> Haas V3
[19:23:24] <IchGucksLive> no to press
[19:24:15] <IchGucksLive> in the welcom display i got the RED button for putting the connection down
[19:24:18] <Connor> "Disconnect" Would be proper English word to indicate that I belive.
[19:24:24] <Quack_> hey IchGucks do you do any PCB routing with those Haas V3s?
[19:24:25] <IchGucksLive> or disconnect the pedant
[19:24:44] <Connor> Yea. Just the word "Disconnect"
[19:24:54] <Quack_> can you link me to a pic of the Haas V3?
[19:25:21] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: i got therefore many student routers that only moves 6x6 inch at high speed
[19:26:27] <Quack_> Link? i can't find a picture of the Haas V3 on the net
[19:26:41] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: http://www.haascnc.com/SAPPI/documents/machines/SMINIMILL2.jpg
[19:27:03] <IchGucksLive> oh its the serias l2
[19:27:20] <IchGucksLive> here the dealer cals it minimillV3
[19:27:41] <Quack_> that looks expensive
[19:27:49] <Quack_> how much do you sell those for IchGucksLive?
[19:27:56] <Quack_> i'm in the USA btw
[19:28:29] <Quack_> that's like $20000
[19:28:32] <Quack_> are you kidding me
[19:28:44] <Quack_> that's probably twice as much machine as a Tormach 1100
[19:28:55] <Quack_> why they gotta call it a "mini mill"
[19:29:37] <Quack_> it's 7.5HP motor....i can't run it without 3-phase industrial link
[19:29:48] <Quack_> i need one that works on 120V american residential outlet
[19:29:57] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: oh you want a chees mill
[19:30:04] <Quack_> LoL
[19:30:59] <Danimal_garage> my 6000lb cnc mill runs on a 110v outlet, except for the spindle :)
[19:31:11] <Danimal_garage> but i'm sure i could make that work too
[19:31:24] <Quack_> you have a CNC mill?
[19:31:30] <Quack_> i thought you just had a bridgeport Danimal?
[19:31:35] <IchGucksLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZotjleEtj0
[19:31:48] <IchGucksLive> Quack_: more for you
[19:31:56] <IchGucksLive> this is about 450Euros
[19:32:10] <Danimal_garage> i have a b-port manual mill, manual lathe, surface grinder, cnc mill, cnc router, cnc lathe, etc
[19:32:45] <IchGucksLive> Danimal_garage: and a big Garage
[19:32:50] <IchGucksLive> B)
[19:33:03] <Quack_> what does "einschalten" mean?
[19:33:04] <Danimal_garage> nope
[19:33:09] <Danimal_garage> small 2 car garage
[19:33:19] <Danimal_garage> it's a tight squeeze :)
[19:33:26] <Danimal_garage> Quack_: http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/mcy/2684145353.html
[19:33:45] <Quack_> i didn't see that 2 days ago
[19:33:50] <Quack_> how did you know i'm from san diego?
[19:33:53] <Danimal_garage> it was listed today
[19:34:04] <Danimal_garage> didnt you tell me you were from Chula Vista?
[19:34:11] <Danimal_garage> so is that mill btw
[19:34:35] <IchGucksLive> im of for today BY
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[19:34:45] <Danimal_garage> i don't know anything about that mill, but i bet you can talk him down a bit
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[19:35:33] <Quack_> damnit IckGucks
[19:35:40] <Quack_> he was sposed to tell me about his PCB routing experiences
[19:35:53] <Quack_> yes i'm from CV but i'm surprised you knew i was turtleboi
[19:36:37] <Danimal_garage> ducks, turtles, i figured it was you
[19:37:16] <Danimal_garage> http://www.ebay.com/itm/250922321192?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[19:37:33] <Danimal_garage> just got those 2 keyboards, should work well for the mill and lathe hopefully
[19:37:48] <Danimal_garage> i'm sick of killing keyboards with coolant
[19:38:01] <Danimal_garage> but for $30 each, i'll give it a shot
[19:38:45] * cradek whispers "use touchy"
[19:39:14] <Danimal_garage> can't, i edit programs all thew time on the machines
[19:40:04] <Quack_> Danimal i think Lobos mainly sells wood working products
[19:40:36] <Quack_> paying $30 for a keyboard ouch
[19:40:36] <Danimal_garage> i probably have 3 more months of changing the g64pXXX in all my programs because of the last emc2 change lol
[19:40:51] <Danimal_garage> industrial keyboards are not cheap
[19:40:59] <Quack_> so Danimal how much did your 6000lb big boy mill cost?
[19:41:21] <Danimal_garage> probably 5k when it was all said and done
[19:42:02] <Quack_> did you get it used?
[19:42:05] <Danimal_garage> yes
[19:42:10] <Quack_> what model is it then?
[19:42:17] <Danimal_garage> shizuoka ans
[19:42:45] <Quack_> and did you get it on craigslist or at an auction?
[19:43:15] <Quack_> more than anything i'd like you to explain to me how the grey market for used industrial equipment works
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[19:45:48] <Danimal_garage> craigslist
[19:45:56] <Danimal_garage> grey market?
[19:46:07] <Danimal_garage> just go on cl and find one, that's about it lol
[19:46:17] <Quack_> you got your shizuoka on there
[19:46:20] <Quack_> i'm shocked
[19:46:34] <Quack_> and do you have 3phase coming into your residential garage?
[19:46:54] <Danimal_garage> no
[19:48:51] <Quack_> does the shizuoka take 3 phase? do you have a converter?
[19:50:25] <Danimal_garage> the spindle does, it runs on a VFD
[19:50:39] <Danimal_garage> no converter needed with a vfd
[19:51:12] <Quack_> right so you plugin single phase 120V or 240V right?
[19:51:29] <Quack_> probably a dryer outlet
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[19:57:32] <Quack_> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tls/2668451991.html
[19:57:40] <Quack_> looks good but too pricey
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[20:06:59] <cncbasher> just bought a bridgeport cnc series 1 interact today for £600
[20:07:28] <cncbasher> so how does that compare to the US
[20:08:13] <PCW> Theres a shizuoku on CL modesto for 3500 or offer
[20:11:43] <alex4nder> modesto : |
[20:11:58] <Quack_> modesto is way out there
[20:12:16] <Quack_> cncbasher....how did you buy it? did you get it at an auction?
[20:13:24] <cncbasher> Quack > school disposal
[20:14:21] <cncbasher> theirs hardly a mark on it , no wear
[20:17:09] <Quack_> and how did you go about finding that?
[20:17:15] <Quack_> did you just keep asking around locally?
[20:17:33] <Quack_> what i mean is how do you get a "heads up" on disposals, etc in your locale
[20:18:16] <cncbasher> haha yea the 64 dollar question , i suppose being in the right place at the right time
[20:18:29] <Quack_> that just means i need to keep asking ppl more
[20:18:34] <Quack_> and leave them my card
[20:18:44] <Quack_> and make sure they know i have cash
[20:18:49] <cncbasher> i'm known in the area , so i often asked if i am interested
[20:18:58] <Quack_> so that when one does come along, they'll know who to call
[20:19:11] <Quack_> too bad shipping one of these things overseas would cost a fortune
[20:19:16] <cncbasher> yes thats just about the best way
[20:19:21] <Quack_> san diego seems like a great place to pickup a used one
[20:19:34] <alex4nder> yah, there is/was a lot of manufacturing down there
[20:19:37] <Quack_> however, i literally know no one in the machine industry
[20:19:46] <cncbasher> have you any auction houses
[20:19:53] <Quack_> that i do not know as well
[20:20:24] <cncbasher> do a internet search of auction houses in your area
[20:20:44] <cncbasher> then get on their mailing list
[20:22:59] <Quack_> alright thanks
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[20:55:20] <andypugh> Does anyone know if mhaberler's G-code remapping allows G1 to be changed? There is a guy on the forum with a RepRap who wants absolute XYZ and relative U moves. Seems like remapping G1 XYZU to G1 XYZ [U + #5426] would give him that.
[20:55:58] <cradek> I don't think so
[20:56:57] <cradek> but he could write U[1.234+#5426] in his gcode
[21:01:51] <andypugh> I think his code comes out of skeinforge
[21:03:01] <andypugh> Looking at the remapping docs, it seems that it might be easiest to swap all G1, G2, G3 for G1.1, G2.1, G3.1 and define those. Then it is a fairly simple search-and-replace filter.
[21:03:29] <cradek> yeah I guess you could do that
[21:03:49] <cradek> slightly easier to do that sed than the other one
[21:04:02] <isssy> cncbasher , did my file help you?
[21:04:10] <cradek> but if the gcode's generated by a program, why not just fix it there?
[21:05:28] <PCW> Andy: whats the secret to applying your patch?
[21:05:30] <PCW> I tried git am (patch) but that fails at line? 200 in hostmot2.c
[21:07:17] <andypugh> PCW: Which branch are you trying to apply on? It "ought" to work on a freshly pulled 2.5
[21:07:31] <PCW> 2.5branch
[21:07:42] <andypugh> But if there is any previous patchery in place, it will probably fail.
[21:07:51] <PCW> i will try pulling again
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[21:10:33] <andypugh> I would do git reset --hard origin/v2.5_branch
[21:11:05] <andypugh> But just because it is what I would so should make you very unsure that it is the right thing to do.
[21:14:00] <PCW> no diff
[21:15:35] <Danimal_garage> where's jthornton?
[21:15:36] <PCW> Applying: Add support for the Mesa self-configuring Smart Serial (SSLBP) cards
[21:15:38] <PCW> /home/peter/2.5/emc2-dev/.git/rebase-apply/patch:273: trailing whitespace.
[21:15:39] <Danimal_garage> vacation?
[21:15:39] <PCW> /home/peter/2.5/emc2-dev/.git/rebase-apply/patch:275: trailing whitespace.
[21:15:41] <PCW> /home/peter/2.5/emc2-dev/.git/rebase-apply/patch:284: trailing whitespace.
[21:15:42] <PCW> /home/peter/2.5/emc2-dev/.git/rebase-apply/patch:312: trailing whitespace.
[21:15:44] <PCW> /home/peter/2.5/emc2-dev/.git/rebase-apply/patch:314: trailing whitespace.
[21:15:45] <PCW> hm2->llio->read(hm2->llio, tram->reg_0_addr,
[21:15:47] <PCW> error: patch failed: src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hostmot2.c:200
[21:15:48] <PCW> error: src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hostmot2.c: patch does not apply
[21:15:50] <PCW> Patch failed at 0001 Add support for the Mesa self-configuring Smart Serial (SSL
[21:15:51] <PCW> BP) cards
[21:17:24] <andypugh> Ah, I think it might be that you have to be in the /src/ directory to apply it. because an idiot was there when he made the patch.
[21:19:28] <PCW> same :-(
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[21:20:40] <andypugh> Same error? Or a message that "previous rebase directory /home/andypugh/emc2-dev/.git/rebase-apply still exists but mbox given."
[21:22:06] <andypugh> You might need git am --abort // git rebase --hard origin/v2.5_branch // cd src // git am 0001-Add.....
[21:22:25] <andypugh> But I am hoping someone with a clue will speak up.
[21:23:06] <PCW> Same error
[21:23:16] <cradek> not sure that's me, but I don't think what directory you're in matters at all, and I suspect the patch isn't made against what you think it was, or pcw isn't patching against what he thinks
[21:23:29] <cradek> it sounds to me like pcw is doing it right, so I suspect the patch is bogus
[21:26:05] <cradek> bbl
[21:26:08] <PCW> I have been doing a git am --abort when the patch fails I am assuming that undoes any changes that a failed patch causes
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[21:33:12] <andypugh> cradek: Well, I have to admit that your lack of confidence in my competence is unlikely to be misplaced. Though for me the patch did take in the /src/ directory and not in emc2-dev
[21:35:32] <PCW> I could well be doing something wrong I'm pretty much working in the dark with git
[21:35:37] <andypugh> Let me send you a new attempt PCW
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[21:41:09] <PCW> OK
[21:47:12] <PCW> and.....
[21:47:24] <PCW> that patch applied cleanly!
[21:47:32] <andypugh> w00t!
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[21:54:16] <PCW> OK now wheres the tool that makes a hal file of the specified type based on the pins it finds
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[22:06:09] <andypugh> Is there one?
[22:06:29] <andypugh> Unless you mean halrun?
[22:06:32] <PCW> Double W00T!
[22:06:33] <PCW> finds all the cards and has all the right I/O (testing I/O now)
[22:08:09] <PCW> No I am just dreaming of somethin like PNCCONF that works what its has rather than what it thinks it ought to have
[22:08:26] <PCW> works with
[22:09:21] <PCW> so its hardware independent (works for our stuff. parallel ports, Jons stuff Ethercat, whatever)
[22:11:12] <andypugh> It would be cool. I would need to rewrite the hm2 driver to interrogate everything, then spit it out in machine-readbale form.
[22:11:39] <andypugh> Well, I say "I would need to". Probably more accurate to say "somebody would need to"
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[22:12:15] <Danimal_garage> i was ok with you
[22:12:20] <Danimal_garage> fwiw
[22:12:24] <PCW> Neat to see the auto-config stuff work
[22:14:10] <andypugh> As a proper test, does it work with a card I have never seen?
[22:14:26] <MOGLI> hello everybody, how can i change pysical pin config on 7I43? i want Encoder on Same Port(P3 or P4 on Mesa 7i43) as Stepgen...
[22:14:57] <MOGLI> i am using SVST4_4.BIT file
[22:15:15] <andypugh> MOGLI: It is possible, but it might be more compatible to split and recombine the ribbon cables.
[22:15:44] <andypugh> You would need your own, unique BIT file, and then pncconf won't work any more.
[22:17:03] <MOGLI> :(
[22:17:49] <MOGLI> my whole setup got very clumsy .. i am using only 2 pins from Encoders:(.. if its a matter of few lines of code change than i would like to try..
[22:18:12] <MOGLI> coz i know nothing about VHDL or FPGA programming
[22:19:32] <MOGLI> any startup guide line?? wiki or something like that??
[22:23:47] <PCW> Andy I cant tell yet because the 7I73 and 7I66 cards we have here are not new enough firmware wise to work
[22:24:07] <andypugh> MOGLI: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FPGA
[22:24:42] <andypugh> I reckon 25% of the way into that rewiring the connectors will start to look easier.
[22:25:36] <PCW> MOGLI can you edit a PINXXX file with your desired pinout?
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[22:26:26] <PCW> it would be something like PIN_SVST4_4_48.vhd
[22:31:01] <andypugh> Does anyone have any idea about "queue not empty after probing"? (I am looking at cradek here, if he is still online)
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[22:37:37] <PCW> Looks good Andy, still need to play around a bit
[22:40:09] <andypugh> I need to do _something_ with stream data
[22:41:10] <andypugh> (and part of me wants to lcase all the pin names, you have introduced almost the only capitals in HAL)
[22:43:16] <PCW> Is hal case sensitive?
[22:43:48] <andypugh> yes.
[22:45:05] <PCW> well halrun to get the pin names and never hand type a pin name...
[22:45:09] <andypugh> There is a rather prescriptive (and not followed) canonical pin naming scheme defied here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal_general_ref.html
[22:46:57] <PCW> lower case numbers?
[22:47:16] <Jymmm> two TWO
[22:47:26] <PCW> Well probably not harmful to fold to lower
[22:50:38] <andypugh> It's a bit tricky, as I hope you have other customers.
[22:51:18] <PCW> We do but I assume you drive folds them and we leave them alone
[22:51:25] <PCW> driver
[22:54:03] <PCW> The embeded channel numbers in analog values should go way when arrays are supported
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[22:55:48] <PCW> and I think the only thing that make sense with stream data is to just pass it up to or down from HAL (right justified in a U32)
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[22:57:11] <PCW> so char data is 0x000000NN
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[23:06:57] <anonimasu> is there a changelog for 2.5? :p
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[23:15:34] <andypugh> PCW: I have not been able to test the signed datatype. Do you have anything to test it with?
[23:16:16] <PCW> Yes, a 7I77 (+-10V)
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[23:17:03] <andypugh> Ned to check that it works, and that maxlim, minlim and maxscale have the right effect.
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[23:17:37] <PCW> That will probably have to wait until Monday
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[23:18:55] <PCW> I'm not sure if Gllbert left our (1) 7I77 in a working state
[23:20:35] <andypugh> Does stream data have a DataLength of 8, readable in DataLength? If so I will use the DataLength (so then you can add a nop bit or send 4 bytes at a time or whatever)
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[23:22:10] <PCW> Stream data length is specified in the normal way (data length field)
[23:22:30] <PCW> currently we only have bytes
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[23:23:16] <andypugh> I am trying to avoid limiting the config structure in any way.
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[23:24:25] <PCW> Yeah just datalength bits right justified in a U32
[23:24:49] <andypugh> 2-byte Kanji?
[23:25:30] <andypugh> Does the encoder counter work properly? (I would like to see it wrap properly both ways)
[23:25:33] <PCW> could be or 2 byte KanJi with a framing bit added
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[23:27:18] <PCW> Cant test yet because the 7I73 fails autoconfig now (99.9% sure this is our fault)
[23:28:38] <PCW> We can probably add an encoder feature to a 7I69 for you to test (next Wednesday)
[23:29:06] <andypugh> I am tempted to push anyway, just to get people going.
[23:29:38] <andypugh> I am confident I haven't broken EMC2
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[23:30:07] <PCW> Seems OK I can read and write bits, havent messed with any fault behavior
[23:31:33] <PCW> I just realized I can try the 7I77 without reprogramming the FPGA by making it a remote off the 7I76
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[23:50:23] <PCW> Yeah, looks pretty good, I'd push it
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[23:55:17] <PCW> maybe after folding the names (ducks)
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