#emc | Logs for 2011-10-27

[00:00:05] <alex4nder> haha
[00:00:57] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: WHAT?! no gravy???????????????????
[00:01:18] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Huh?
[00:01:53] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: french fry salad, but no gravy for that extra 3000 calories
[00:02:30] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: http://www.epicmealtime.com/videos/2011/10/3/french-fry-week-day-1-french-fry-salad.html
[00:02:42] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Oooh, well I haven't watched that one ;)
[00:03:07] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: One of their mexican special looked absolutely delicious.
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[00:07:47] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Those guys make heart attack grill look like a health food store
[00:09:04] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: They're pretty awesome. Poutine is a real meal here however, not just something they came up with.
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[00:27:28] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: I know. I've been to toronto EH
[00:27:39] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Blasphemy.
[00:27:50] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Eh?
[00:28:00] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: ya know what I mean eh ?
[00:28:16] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Actually, we don't have the aboot and eh in Quebec.
[00:28:16] <emcrules> dont cha no ther bye
[00:28:32] <alex4nder> they've got poutine and hot strippers in Quebec.
[00:28:39] <alex4nder> and some pretty good beers.
[00:28:43] <FinboySlick> That we do.
[00:29:00] <alex4nder> I've been drinking Unibroue's stuff
[00:29:06] <FinboySlick> And we don't go to bed at 8 like the ontario folks.
[00:29:25] <Jymmm> 7:30?
[00:29:42] <alex4nder> Quebec is also home to the worst accent in the world.
[00:29:51] <alex4nder> the 'French Canadian'
[00:30:03] <FinboySlick> alex4nder: Granted. I don't have it though.
[00:30:13] <alex4nder> FinboySlick: ah werd, you anglo?
[00:30:16] <Jymmm> Still a canuck though
[00:30:49] <Jymmm> so expect every sterotype comin at ya FinboySlick eh
[00:30:50] <FinboySlick> alex4nder: No.
[00:30:58] <emcrules> can a s32 be converted in hal to get the binary bits?
[00:31:14] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Beware, we'll send you lumberjack commandos.
[00:31:41] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Go for it, I could use some lumber cplit
[00:31:43] <Jymmm> split
[00:32:03] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: You know what meme I'm referring to though, right?
[00:32:16] <Jymmm> na
[00:32:30] <FinboySlick> http://www.2flashgames.com/2fgkjn134kjlh1cfn81vc34/flash/f-Lumberjack-Commandos-6796.jpg
[00:33:07] <FinboySlick> See the little red flag on the guy's left arm?
[00:33:10] <FinboySlick> Beware.
[00:33:28] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: So, I dont see any axes on them, they gonna split the wood with their berds?
[00:33:35] <Jymmm> beards
[00:34:01] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: The axes couldn't fit in the picture frame.
[00:35:00] <Jymmm> http://howtobetotallyawesome.blogspot.com/2009/09/lesson-14-lumberjackcommandos.html
[00:39:01] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Sounds like Maddox.
[00:39:33] <Jymmm> this is funny... http://thxforthe.info/2007/11/03/employee-at-lowermybillscom/
[00:40:45] * FinboySlick agrees.
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[00:51:39] <jdhNC> http://www.ebay.com/itm/120796171673
[00:51:43] <jdhNC> nifty looking tool changer
[01:00:06] <Danimal_garage> i so wish that was closer
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[01:13:56] <A2Sheds> about 100 mi from me
[01:16:41] <Danimal_garage> one bulkhead fitting done...
[01:16:44] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: are you trying to get to the point where you'll just feed metal plate into the shop on one side and come back hours later and pick up the finished parts?
[01:17:06] <Danimal_garage> ha, i got a long ways before that happens
[01:18:42] <A2Sheds> i found a guy near Peoria that ends up with all the stuff that doesn't sell at the machine auctions around here
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[01:22:57] <A2Sheds> grrr emc segfaults with this Slackware build now after running the servo_sim with the spiral for a minute
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[01:35:14] <jdhNC> anyone doing 2-sided pcb isolation traces? What do you use to keep the board aligned when flipping sides?
[01:37:09] <Valen> jdhNC: camera
[01:39:04] <jdhNC> with index marks on the board? just the edges?
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[01:40:04] <Valen> we used some holes through the board
[01:40:24] <jdhNC> touch off via the holes or what?
[01:40:39] <Valen> we knew the cords of the holes
[01:40:49] <Valen> then touch off at the coords
[01:41:58] <jdhNC> seems like something should be able to do that automatically
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[01:42:23] <jdhNC> find the center of a hole in the frame, it knows the offset from cam center to spindle center
[01:42:59] <jdhNC> but... I don't think I'm going to do a camera thing. Any other suggestions?
[01:43:22] <Valen> if your doing many of them just keep the coordinates
[01:43:24] <jdhNC> pinned index holes?, corner plate?
[01:43:33] <jdhNC> keep what coordinates?
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[01:43:52] <Valen> i mean use pins or some such and don't "loose" the part
[01:44:08] <Valen> we used pins another time
[01:44:18] <jdhNC> I was thinking the hardest part would be keeping it in the same orientation
[01:44:20] <Turtl3boi> i bet i can make an allignment system
[01:44:27] <Turtl3boi> i am genius when it comes to image processing
[01:44:34] <Turtl3boi> just have a little webcam
[01:44:35] <jdhNC> everyone is.
[01:45:49] <Valen> we just used camview, we have a camera on the side of the spindle
[01:46:07] <Valen> even has a circle overlaid so you can center on a hole easily ;->
[01:46:14] <jdhNC> I've done the cam/offset calc/move stuff for a laser welder, but I had complete control (and the cam looked through the same lens with a splitter
[01:46:34] <jdhNC> that would get one point ok
[01:46:53] <jdhNC> still have squareness issue unless you re-calc all your x/y based on 2 points
[01:47:20] <Valen> i *believe* you can do rotational offset in EMC now
[01:47:26] <elmo40> anyone use this for circuit drawing? http://kicad.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page
[01:47:26] <Valen> i could be smoking crack
[01:47:28] <jdhNC> I had camview running a while back, but never found a way to keep my crappy cam mounted
[01:47:34] <elmo40> Valen: wanna share?
[01:47:35] <Turtl3boi> just drill two holes in the board ahead of time
[01:47:38] <Valen> elmo40: yes, join #kicad
[01:47:58] <Turtl3boi> then you can align based on those two holes, duh =P
[01:48:19] <jdhNC> sure, if they were pinned
[01:48:20] <Turtl3boi> kicad's hard to use
[01:48:32] <Valen> you can see our camera (kinda) off to the side of http://www.cnczone.com/forums/general_metal_working_machines/118358-phenolic_basalt_head_our_hm45-3.html
[01:48:35] <Valen> at the bottom
[01:48:48] <Turtl3boi> jdh can you recommend a PCB router for me other than the one you have haha
[01:48:54] <jdhNC> no
[01:48:58] <jdhNC> get a cheap sable
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[01:50:07] <Turtl3boi> uhh you just did recommend one lol
[01:50:18] <Turtl3boi> ok i'll get the sable
[01:50:22] <jdhNC> my advice is worth every penny
[01:50:31] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: I don't think you should worry too much about the capabilities of your first machine if you've never used one before. The amount of stuff you'll have to get right to get the results you want are going to be return on your investment regardless.
[01:51:10] <Turtl3boi> what software do i gotta use with the sable?
[01:51:35] <Turtl3boi> is there a open source way of translating a Jerber file to a G-code File
[01:52:08] <jdhNC> pcb2gcode
[01:52:35] <jdhNC> valen: the cam is the odd square box on the underside?
[01:52:46] <Valen> yeah
[01:53:01] <Valen> Al billet stuck to the side of the head
[01:53:10] <jdhNC> any big camview changes in the last 6-8 months?
[01:53:21] <Valen> not that i know of?
[01:53:26] <Valen> works pretty easy
[01:53:48] <Valen> only real issue is it soaks up heaps of CPU on the atom
[01:53:54] <jdhNC> yeah, he made some changes last winter to accomodate my weird $5 web cam
[01:55:42] <Turtl3boi> hmmm what about this Fireball CNC
[01:57:05] <jdhNC> I'd either get exactly what you want to end up with, or something small and cheap
[01:58:21] <jdhNC> I've spent a year with a cheap router. does lots of useful stuff, good platform to learn emc basics, cad/cam stuff, g-code editing, cnc basics. I rarely break expensive tooling and materials are cheap or free.
[01:58:31] <Turtl3boi> well yeah i'm trying to figure out if the Fireball CNC is something good for PCB routing
[01:58:37] <Turtl3boi> and it would be a keeper
[01:58:42] <jdhNC> it's made of mdf
[01:58:53] <Turtl3boi> mdf is what now?
[01:58:56] <Turtl3boi> a thermoplastic?
[01:59:19] <jdhNC> sawdust & glue
[01:59:21] <Jymmm> No,
[01:59:29] <Valen> medium density fiberboard
[01:59:31] <Jymmm> very dense
[01:59:47] <Turtl3boi> that's pretty ghey
[01:59:49] <Jymmm> flat as glass on the surface
[02:00:00] <jdhNC> not really, it can be very rigid
[02:00:15] <Turtl3boi> but MDF is not as good as metal right
[02:00:17] <Jymmm> unless it gets wet
[02:00:21] <Turtl3boi> and the Sable is made of metal
[02:01:25] <jdhNC> there are sable/fireball pros and cons on cnczone
[02:02:58] <Turtl3boi> now you tell me
[02:09:56] <Turtl3boi> please tell me if the sable has good linear shafts
[02:10:11] <Turtl3boi> i hear it's weak compared to the "Thomson shafts" in the fireballz
[02:11:35] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: You're learning to drive here, you don't entirely need to worry if your first car is going to have heated seats.
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[02:12:01] <Turtl3boi> well dude i'm trying to do 2 things here. 1) get started in CNC'ing metal, and 2) get a PCB router
[02:12:28] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: How much of each?
[02:12:32] <Turtl3boi> for the PCB router side of things i want something immediately that is going to be pretty damn good at can do 0.5mm traces and 0.2mm spacing repeatably
[02:12:55] <Turtl3boi> umm mostly i'll be CNC'ing i'd say
[02:13:05] <Turtl3boi> but i do love electronics and that's a growing hobby of mine
[02:13:25] <Turtl3boi> Finboy can i call you on the phone
[02:13:39] <Valen> we are planning on making a serious mill, should retail ~$3000
[02:13:47] <Valen> fully optioned
[02:13:49] <Jymmm> 1-900-O-HELL-NO
[02:13:51] <Valen> would do that wll ;->
[02:13:53] <Valen> well
[02:14:06] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: Wrong guy for such things. I don't even have a phone, I despise the damn things.
[02:14:09] <Valen> cut steel too
[02:14:19] <Turtl3boi> lol wow
[02:14:35] <Turtl3boi> Valen i'll buy it if i don't also have to pay $1000 in shipping
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[02:52:08] <Turtl3boi> please Valen tell me more about ur system
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[03:38:39] <Eartaker> http://www.eartaker.net/machining/milling/zx45.php
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[03:43:59] <Valen> i wish i could get 7075 :-<
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[03:56:47] <Tom_itx> bar or plate?
[03:57:05] <Valen> anything
[03:57:14] <Tom_itx> i think our surplus has both
[03:57:24] <Valen> we have a choice of architectural, 5083 or 6061
[03:57:40] <Valen> <- australia
[03:57:41] <Tom_itx> 6061 isn't so bad
[03:57:45] <Tom_itx> Valen
[03:57:56] <Tom_itx> where does the bulk of aluminum come from????
[03:57:59] <Valen> pretty soft in comparison to 7075
[03:58:08] <Valen> well we will ship the ore to china
[03:58:14] <Valen> then buy the aluminium from china
[03:58:24] <Tom_itx> i thought you had a big alcoa plant there
[03:58:35] <Valen> probably makes "pure" al
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[04:01:10] <Turtl3boi> please talk to me more eartaker
[04:06:53] <Eartaker> what would you like to know?
[04:07:05] <Eartaker> I have alot of 7075
[04:07:09] <Eartaker> bar and plate
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[04:09:53] <Turtl3boi> hi eartaker
[04:10:12] <Eartaker> hi
[04:10:23] <Turtl3boi> sorry bout that
[04:10:33] <Eartaker> no problem
[04:10:52] <Turtl3boi> eartaker can you take me under your wing
[04:11:00] <Turtl3boi> i need to learn to machine stuff the old school way
[04:11:06] <Turtl3boi> i wanna be an old school machinist
[04:11:20] <Turtl3boi> is that a picture of your ow n homebrew machine?
[04:11:21] <Valen> Eartaker: i think the shipping cost might be prohibative me getting some of your Al ;->
[04:11:37] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: http://www.youtube.com/user/mrpete222
[04:11:54] <FinboySlick> Old school machinist.
[04:12:42] <Turtl3boi> who is mr. pete?
[04:12:44] <Turtl3boi> is that you?
[04:13:00] <Turtl3boi> look i just wanna be an old school german american machinist
[04:13:04] <Turtl3boi> from the bible belt
[04:13:14] <Turtl3boi> only buying american products
[04:13:26] <Turtl3boi> listening to conservative talk radio
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[04:14:00] <Eartaker> no im eartaker...
[04:14:16] <Eartaker> br peat is another channel I subscribe to
[04:14:35] <Turtl3boi> hmmm
[04:14:36] <FinboySlick> not sure about the latter, but he's as old school machinist as you get.
[04:14:57] <Eartaker> fin, who is?
[04:15:00] <Eartaker> pete?
[04:15:21] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: Yeah, pete. You're not old school, you're new and fancy.
[04:15:27] <Eartaker> yeah lol
[04:15:30] <Eartaker> I was gona say
[04:15:39] <Eartaker> he did coment on my little engine though
[04:15:43] <Eartaker> comment
[04:15:48] <FinboySlick> Showmeshowme! :)
[04:15:55] <FinboySlick> The engine, not the comment.
[04:16:30] <Eartaker> http://www.eartaker.net/pics/albums/userpics/10001/DSCN1508.JPG
[04:16:32] <Eartaker> oops
[04:16:37] <Eartaker> 1 sec
[04:16:44] <Eartaker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BtOjeYtgqo
[04:17:45] <Turtl3boi> is that a okra stem?
[04:17:49] <Turtl3boi> or pepper
[04:18:37] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: Shame on you sending us unnocent people plant-porn.
[04:18:47] <Eartaker> lol
[04:18:57] <Eartaker> fin, that is my pepper thats growing now
[04:19:03] <Eartaker> im growing them indoors
[04:19:04] <Eartaker> =]
[04:19:14] <Eartaker> I was posting it in a few other rooms lol
[04:19:28] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: pepper as in chili pepper or as in black pepper?
[04:19:53] <Turtl3boi> lil pfeffer
[04:19:55] <Turtl3boi> cute
[04:20:07] <Eartaker> lol yeah
[04:20:08] <Turtl3boi> umm black pepper obviously not duh
[04:20:14] <Eartaker> chili pepper
[04:20:26] <Turtl3boi> lol black pepper
[04:20:27] <Eartaker> wanna see all of it
[04:20:28] <Eartaker> ?
[04:20:32] <Turtl3boi> i wanna eat all of it
[04:20:40] <FinboySlick> Guys, this sounds soooo wrong.
[04:20:45] <Eartaker> http://www.eartaker.net/pics/thumbnails.php?album=10
[04:20:58] <Turtl3boi> i want you to mail me your spare mill with a pepper on top
[04:21:08] <Eartaker> lol
[04:21:24] <FinboySlick> Nobody's looking or eating anyone's pepper, okay?
[04:21:35] <Turtl3boi> i grew peppers before but not enough water
[04:21:40] <Turtl3boi> too much sun
[04:21:46] <FinboySlick> I don't care how much it grew.
[04:21:49] <Turtl3boi> i was tryna grow habaneros
[04:22:05] <Eartaker> lol
[04:22:37] <Eartaker> the pepper that is fruiting now is a cayenne... my main goal is that bit one in the middle of the room... Bhut Jolokia... or the Ghost pepper
[04:22:46] <Eartaker> big'
[04:23:31] <Turtl3boi> that's a nice pepper
[04:23:36] <Turtl3boi> makes me cry
[04:23:42] <Eartaker> lol
[04:24:48] <Eartaker> anyway since this is off topic in here and you guys want help growing peppers indoors or out ... join #chilepepper
[04:25:05] <Eartaker> most of the guys in there are offline though
[04:25:48] <Turtl3boi> how much is a "ZX 45" mill
[04:26:13] <Eartaker> I paid ~$1700 for the base machine
[04:26:25] <Eartaker> after converting it to CNC the way I have .... ~$4000
[04:26:55] <Turtl3boi> how much does aluminum cost u?
[04:27:03] <Turtl3boi> how much did the vice cost you
[04:27:13] <Eartaker> most of my AL I got free.... but I buy it local so it depends
[04:27:19] <Turtl3boi> how much did all the other "little things" cost you to get it where you can mill all sorts of stuff
[04:27:23] <Eartaker> im in tacoma WA
[04:27:58] <Eartaker> heh... I have about $4K in the machine and probably $2k in tooling
[04:28:36] <Eartaker> Im using the Tormach tooling
[04:28:50] <Eartaker> made my own power drawbar
[04:29:15] <Turtl3boi> is this better than the Tormach 770
[04:29:16] <Eartaker> but you also have to include work holding equip
[04:29:31] <Jymmm> (duct tape)
[04:29:32] <Eartaker> not sure.. I have never used there machine...
[04:29:40] <Eartaker> just there tooling
[04:29:52] <Eartaker> I can hold a tolerance of +/- .001"
[04:30:10] <Jymmm> (duct tape can hold at 100mph)
[04:30:14] <Eartaker> lol
[04:30:34] <Turtl3boi> so you would recommend getting a ZX 45
[04:31:24] <Eartaker> if you dont have room or money for a Bridgeport then yes
[04:31:25] <Turtl3boi> should i buy it new or used? was yours used for $1700?
[04:31:30] <Eartaker> thats the next step up
[04:31:37] <Eartaker> mine was new
[04:31:52] <Eartaker> if you do the PM-45 gets good reviews
[04:31:54] <Turtl3boi> wow holy crap $1700 that seemz like a good deal
[04:32:04] <Turtl3boi> where can i get it?
[04:32:11] <Turtl3boi> did you mail order or loca?
[04:32:13] <Turtl3boi> local*
[04:32:36] <Eartaker> http://precisionmatthews.com/PM45Mbenchmill.html
[04:32:52] <Eartaker> mine came from Bolton Hardware in CA
[04:33:47] <Eartaker> holy hell price went up...
[04:33:49] <Eartaker> http://www.boltonhardware.com/category/bolton-tools/metal-lathes-milling-machines/mill-drill/gear-head-milling-machine.php
[04:34:00] <Eartaker> mine was $1700 shipped
[04:34:21] <Turtl3boi> it's a rip now at $1950
[04:34:42] <Turtl3boi> they don't sell the PM45
[04:34:52] <Valen> sounds like ours Eartaker
[04:35:05] <Valen> we "converted" the head on ours to a high speed spindle ;->
[04:35:22] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: Is your machine running servos? It's terribly quiet..
[04:35:27] <Eartaker> turt, yeah the demand went up
[04:35:35] <Turtl3boi> just call me turd
[04:35:37] <Eartaker> valen, nice
[04:35:41] <Eartaker> lol
[04:35:44] <Eartaker> sorry
[04:35:45] <Turtl3boi> yeah supply and demand tends to do that to prices
[04:35:53] <Valen> we have "servos"
[04:36:00] <Valen> 500W scooter motors and glass linear scales
[04:36:04] <Eartaker> Fin, yeah NEMA 32 1145oz servos with AMT-102 encoders
[04:36:10] <Turtl3boi> valen point me to a good servo motor
[04:36:26] <Jymmm> tredmill
[04:36:44] <Valen> Eartaker: whered you get those?
[04:36:49] <Eartaker> http://www.kelinginc.net/ServoMotors.html
[04:36:51] <Valen> and what $?
[04:36:57] <Eartaker> oops 1125oz
[04:37:05] <Valen> those $ i'll just shutup then lol
[04:37:13] <Eartaker> says out of stock now but I paid $130 per motor
[04:37:39] <Turtl3boi> is a "servo" motor the same as a stepper motor?
[04:37:43] <Valen> we paid $30 for ours, but those would probably be a fair bit better
[04:37:51] <Eartaker> im also running Gecko G320X servo drives
[04:38:11] <Valen> <- mesa
[04:38:12] <Eartaker> turtl3, not at all
[04:38:29] <Turtl3boi> hmm
[04:38:30] <Eartaker> valen nice I have seen good things about the mesa products..
[04:38:32] <FinboySlick> Hmmm, these aren't too expensive, I assume the electronics cost more.
[04:38:47] <FinboySlick> (talking about the motors here)
[04:38:54] <Valen> I had to defeat the current limit on the drivers
[04:38:57] <Eartaker> Fin $120 per drive and I have $240 in control boards
[04:39:00] <Valen> i'm using a bit more than 10A
[04:39:19] <Valen> what encoders did you use?
[04:39:36] <Eartaker> valen... I have my motors running at 75V7A
[04:39:46] <Eartaker> AMT-102
[04:40:03] <Eartaker> $30 per from digikey
[04:40:10] <Valen> thats cheap
[04:40:16] <Valen> what resolution?
[04:40:46] <Turtl3boi> do servo motors only work in a control loop?
[04:40:46] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: I'd have to use nema32 to fit my mill, not sure if I could do the Z axis yet though.
[04:41:15] <Eartaker> valen the resolution is adjustable
[04:41:35] <Eartaker> Fin on my Z I have it on a 3:1 ratio with timing belts
[04:41:35] <Valen> adjustable?
[04:41:39] <Valen> thats new
[04:41:47] <Eartaker> valed yeah, there are dip switches to adjust it
[04:41:53] <Valen> weird
[04:41:58] <Eartaker> for the line count per rev
[04:42:58] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: Mine is all integrated in the column, I might have to get pretty creative.
[04:43:03] <Valen> yeah its just unusual, i haven't heard of it before
[04:43:19] <FinboySlick> I might not be able to fit any reduction.
[04:44:48] <Turtl3boi> so how much better is the Bridgeport than a ZX-45?
[04:45:00] <Eartaker> Fin, do you have a 45?
[04:45:22] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: I have a Syil X5
[04:45:31] <Eartaker> turtl3.... American vs Chinese tooling...=]
[04:45:43] <Eartaker> ahh
[04:46:20] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: It's very smooth and rigid, but given my spindle, I have to get as much travel speed as I can get. Steppers don't do too well with inertia.
[04:46:35] <FinboySlick> Well, I mean speed/accel there.
[04:46:45] <Eartaker> yeah they loose steps
[04:47:54] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: I figure I'll abuse it as much and as long as the chinese electronics last, then when something breaks, I'll convert it all to quality components.
[04:48:03] <Eartaker> nice
[04:48:07] <Eartaker> that always works
[04:48:50] <Eartaker> could always ask on CNCzone to see what others say
[04:48:51] <FinboySlick> I'm still a total noob anyway so I just hope the mistakes don't involve too much goucing, the bearings and rigidity are quite good for a chinese mill.
[04:48:56] <Turtl3boi> nothin wrong with Chinese necessarily
[04:49:04] <Turtl3boi> Taiwan makes damn good scooters man
[04:49:11] <Turtl3boi> I'd buy a Taiwanese scooter over an american one
[04:49:37] <Turtl3boi> It's american companies that tell chinese factories to produce less than adequate shit for american capitalism
[04:49:47] <Eartaker> Fin, what CAM are you using?
[04:50:19] <Eartaker> turtle... Bridgeport is made in the US, they are beasts
[04:50:39] <Turtl3boi> well yeah i realize that....but then again i can't find a used one around here for less than $1800
[04:50:43] <Turtl3boi> and it looks all rusty
[04:50:45] <Eartaker> they also weight 2000lbs+
[04:51:43] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: I'm toying with HSMWorks, makes very nice, smooth curvy paths.
[04:51:58] <Eartaker> ooo, never used that one
[04:52:34] <Turtl3boi> can a nice CNC be made for under $3000
[04:52:35] <FinboySlick> Eartaker: It's very focused on doing the job well, not many bells and whistles. They put all their work on the toolpath algorythm.
[04:52:59] <Eartaker> turtle, yes... depends on what you want out of it and how large of a cutting area
[04:53:02] <Turtl3boi> i'm writing down "HSM Works" in my diary
[04:54:16] <Turtl3boi> what's one step below the ZX-45?
[04:54:25] <Turtl3boi> (one step lower in price and performance)
[04:55:06] <FinboySlick> Holy crap, already 1am :P
[04:55:29] <FinboySlick> I want to take a sabbatical... So much stuff I want to do and weekends aren't enough.
[04:55:36] <Eartaker> X3 maybe?
[04:55:52] <Eartaker> or X4
[04:55:54] <Turtl3boi> sabbatical? isn't that for an academic job
[04:56:23] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: I'll make a thesis on not working.
[04:56:25] <Eartaker> ok im out for the night to...
[04:56:33] <Turtl3boi> later guys
[04:56:36] <Turtl3boi> =P
[04:56:36] <Eartaker> later
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[09:36:40] <anonimasu> Eartaker: sorry, bridgeports are light general purpose milling machines :)
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[14:18:40] <skunkworks> Cradek: I used your hole probing routine to probe the center of a rectagle the other day. worked great
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[14:52:40] <Jymmm> Oh mn,wrong H&K
[14:53:52] <jdhNC> anyone used TinyCAD? does it do spice sim?
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[15:30:22] <IchGucksLive> Hi all
[15:31:13] <IchGucksLive> is there a halui pin for setting the increment jog value ?
[15:31:33] <IchGucksLive> my rotory encoder has 4 positions
[15:31:53] <IchGucksLive> in the increment of the ini also only 4
[15:32:29] <IchGucksLive> or do i understand the system wrong
[15:32:44] <IchGucksLive> so -> halui.jog-speed (float, in) - pin for setting jog speed for minus/plus jogging
[15:33:12] <IchGucksLive> this is the value in pulses that is performed
[15:34:00] <IchGucksLive> Example my mashine makes 100Pulses per 1mm so scale is 100 this equals the jog speed on setting for 1mm ?
[15:34:55] <IchGucksLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Jogging_With_Buttons_On_A_Pendant
[15:36:51] <IchGucksLive> cradek: ?
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[15:41:03] <cradek> in v2.5 halui supports incremental jogging
[15:42:16] <IchGucksLive> ok but for now i need to go with mux4
[15:42:38] <IchGucksLive> mux2 select from 2 input
[15:42:53] <IchGucksLive> so mux4 is 4 inputs ?
[15:42:54] <cradek> do you mean incremental jog (pushbutton) or do you mean wheel increment?
[15:43:28] <IchGucksLive> moment i will get you a picture
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[15:44:35] <IchGucksLive> http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/230711193031_V1_manue.jpg
[15:45:20] <IchGucksLive> the Red rotory sets the increment and the big weehl jogs left or right
[15:46:12] <IchGucksLive> while the gray rotory in dicates the axis
[15:47:00] <IchGucksLive> the Python recives this String "JEX0Y0Z+J1"
[15:47:12] <IchGucksLive> from the pendand
[15:48:39] <IchGucksLive> this is linked to net remote-jog-z-plus halui.jog.2.plus <= pendant.jog-z-positiv
[15:49:52] <IchGucksLive> cradek: i can nor find any docu about this mux
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[15:50:29] <IchGucksLive> count=1 of loadrt mux2 count=1 indicates the start or default value ?
[15:51:44] <skunkworks> How do you get out of a man page?
[15:51:52] * skunkworks asks a stupid question
[15:52:16] <IchGucksLive> Q
[15:52:30] <IchGucksLive> Quit
[15:52:42] <skunkworks> Thanks!
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[16:01:15] <IchGucksLive> cradek: where do i have to call the panel.xml witch section of the ini ?
[16:02:58] <grommit> [DISPLAY] section: PYVCP = custom_pyvcp.xml
[16:03:45] <IchGucksLive> Thanks
[16:03:57] <Danimal_garage> hi
[16:05:56] <IchGucksLive> grommit: the xml must be in the ini folder ?
[16:06:58] <grommit> The xml is a separate file (in my case) called custom_pyvcp.xml
[16:07:14] <IchGucksLive> myne panel.xml
[16:07:41] <grommit> ok, so in [DISPLAY] section you would have PYVCP=panel.xml
[16:07:49] <IchGucksLive> Done B)
[16:09:29] <IchGucksLive> no action
[16:09:53] <grommit> does the button (or whatever is in xml) appear in Axis pyvcp panel?
[16:10:03] <IchGucksLive> yes
[16:10:28] <IchGucksLive> i put the halcommands to the HAl section
[16:11:03] <grommit> That is what is set up with [DISPLSAY]: PYVCP=panel.xml.
[16:11:14] <grommit> Getting action is a separate issue
[16:11:28] <IchGucksLive> got the error there is a space befor the net
[16:11:32] <grommit> I have a custom_postgui.hal file where those go
[16:13:32] <grommit> or i suppose they can go in the [HAL] section (since that is where my custom_postgui.hal gets called... :-)
[16:14:44] <IchGucksLive> agree
[16:15:06] <IchGucksLive> no error but also no output
[16:15:50] <grommit> what are your hal commands?
[16:15:58] <IchGucksLive> im testing on 2.5.pre with axis-mm in sim mode
[16:16:55] <IchGucksLive> grommit: querry
[16:16:57] <IchGucksLive> grommit: only for cammand posting !
[16:18:45] <grommit> How did you do that (pop up a tab with output in there?) I didn't know about that...
[16:19:26] <IchGucksLive> what the querry just doppelklick the name
[16:19:51] <grommit> cool
[16:20:25] <IchGucksLive> privat is not cool
[16:21:00] <JT-Shop> I have a 5i20 7i47 combo that keeps giving me following errors on the A axis... is there any other cause for this with steppers than the computer being a Dell?
[16:21:07] <IchGucksLive> setp mux2.0.in0 25 what is this in mashine units 25mm ?
[16:21:08] <grommit> well, sometimes it and sometimes it isn't :-)
[16:22:06] <grommit> "it and" == "it is and"
[16:23:01] <grommit> JT-Shop: Noise (or other suck problem) with step/dir inputs
[16:23:07] <IchGucksLive> dont anderstand that
[16:23:08] <grommit> suck == such
[16:23:31] <IchGucksLive> do i have to use <==
[16:23:48] <JT-Shop> uh the following error is with EMC not the down stream hardware
[16:24:07] <grommit> IchGucksLive: No, nevermind
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[16:24:39] <grommit> JT-Shop: Do you have encoders providing position feedback?
[16:25:37] <grommit> Oh, sorry I see it is steppers (so I assume the answer is no to my question)....
[16:26:08] <grommit> You can still have ferror due to noise causing missed or extra steps
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[16:26:40] <grommit> We just solved this exact problem on our system yesterday, using some filters we built
[16:26:41] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: stepgen accelleration needs to be higher than the axis accelleration limit
[16:27:26] <JT-Shop> I'll check that but I run the same config on my plasma and no following errors
[16:27:41] <grommit> And also overall machine accel limit too I think?
[16:28:16] <JT-Shop> can you even set stepgen acceleration on a 5i20?
[16:28:25] <grommit> Yes
[16:28:59] <grommit> This is a 7i43 but I assume 5i20 is similar:
[16:29:08] <grommit> setp hm2_7i43.0.stepgen.00.maxaccel [AXIS_0]MMAX_ACCELERATION
[16:29:10] <grommit> setp hm2_7i43.0.stepgen.00.maxvel [AXIS_0]MMAX_VELOCITY
[16:30:24] <grommit> and in my .ini on each axis I have: MMAX_ACCELERATION = 100
[16:30:47] <JT-Shop> still doesn't explain why I don't get following errors on both computers
[16:31:00] <JT-Shop> I don't think it is a config problem
[16:31:49] <JT-Shop> maxaccel is set to 0 which mean as fast as I can iirc
[16:32:43] <JT-Shop> but wait there is more the A axis is set to 1 for some strange reason
[16:32:47] <grommit> Peter Wallace told me not to use 0, but to set the parameters specifically. He also said to have the 7i43 stepgen settings be 10-20% above the axis max values for overhead
[16:33:33] <JT-Shop> I wonder if that is true for the 5i20 as it is a PCI card?
[16:33:54] <grommit> I don't see why that would matter...
[16:34:07] <JT-Shop> maybe PCW can clear that up
[16:34:21] <JT-Shop> I don't have a clue :)
[16:34:49] <grommit> Nor I. Just following orders ;-)
[16:35:08] <JT-Shop> LOL me too
[16:36:41] <grommit> does your gantry have two motors on any one axis?
[16:37:38] <JT-Shop> me?
[16:37:42] <grommit> yes
[16:38:03] <JT-Shop> no, I have a jackshaft to the other side
[16:38:08] <grommit> ah
[16:38:41] <JT-Shop> I can easily have separate motors if I want to have fun than I'm having now
[16:38:53] <grommit> Yeah, tell me about it
[16:40:02] <IchGucksLive> still no output to the axis
[16:40:40] <grommit> I don't see anything wrong in what you posted but...
[16:40:42] <Nick001> Hi - I have a hardige HCNC with a pico card and the turret started to throw fits. Does someone have a turret setup with the onboard PLC?
[16:41:08] <JT-Shop> with classicladder?
[16:41:14] <Nick001> yes
[16:41:28] <JT-Shop> yes on my web sit is all the config files for my CHNC
[16:41:52] <Nick001> will they work with pico card?
[16:42:03] <JT-Shop> gnipsel dot com just look in the CNC Machines area
[16:42:15] <JT-Shop> well the I/O names will be different I'm sure
[16:42:24] <Nick001> ok thanks
[16:42:33] <JT-Shop> the internal EMC stuff will be the same
[16:42:57] <JT-Shop> oh and I'm using 2.5 but that should not make any difference for the turrent stuff
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[16:46:25] <Nick001> got the files - I'll have to pick them apart
[16:46:49] <JT-Shop> everything should be commented enough to sort out
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[16:47:49] <JT-Shop> I assume you have the same absolute encoder as the CHNC and it leaks air like a sieve...
[16:48:53] <Nick001> I changed the encoder with 2 from ajax and it does keep the compressor busy
[16:50:39] <Nick001> originally had resolvers whick i will go back to with the pico cards after i get the turret operating reliably
[16:50:56] <Nick001> which
[16:51:15] <JT-Shop> I meant on the turret under the cover
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[16:54:12] <Nick001> same encoder under turret - I was talking about the axes
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[16:55:24] <JT-Shop> mine had a blown part on the board that sucked the 24vdc buss down... after pealing off all the goo it was a .25 part and simple to replace
[16:55:51] <Nick001> 8 positions outputting 12 vdc - how do I get it to 5v so I don't fry the parallel card
[16:55:58] <JT-Shop> also you can get all the o-rings including the quad rings from mcmaster carr
[16:56:53] <JT-Shop> mine went into the 7i37TA card that takes up to 24vdc so I don't know
[16:57:05] <JT-Shop> how to change it
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[16:58:48] <Nick001> I had to replace the whole encoder after Ajax fried it with their convertion kit which is how I got to emc
[16:59:04] <JT-Shop> ouch
[16:59:23] <Nick001> 500.00 ouch
[17:00:14] <JT-Shop> unless they blew up some traces on the encoder board they can be repaired
[17:00:21] <Nick001> I.ll find something for the voltage prob - like an opto-isolation card
[17:01:45] <JT-Shop> dang toaster has tamper resistant screws on it lol
[17:03:04] <skunkworks> we really need to get the cincinati lathe running
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[17:08:03] <Nick001> http://janick.com/cnc/DCP_0847.jpg is what I had to replace
[17:09:28] <A2Sheds> JT-Shop: you can't have just anyone getting into those toasters, think of the children
[17:10:45] <skunkworks> looks like a fast food grill ;)
[17:11:13] <skunkworks> ajax? was that the mach version?
[17:12:58] <Nick001> Their Hardinge conversion which didn't work at all and they wouldn't stand behind it.
[17:14:11] <Nick001> had to sue them to get my money back which they did do just before I filed a judgement
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[17:15:33] <Nick001> http://janick.com/cnc/oldinfo.htm for more info
[17:16:08] <Nick001> got to go back to work - making gears -)
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[17:34:02] <IchGucksLive> Hi all
[17:34:18] <IchGucksLive> grommit: it works on a realtime kernal pc
[17:34:29] <IchGucksLive> the pyvcp hal connection
[17:35:12] <IchGucksLive> cradek: on 2.4.3 there is no chance to hook up a jog with a given value at a button press ?
[17:35:38] <JT-Shop> A2Sheds: according to my Mom the first thing I disassembled was a toaster when I was very very young
[17:36:13] <JT-Shop> given value = ?
[17:36:31] <IchGucksLive> 0.01 0.1 1 5
[17:36:43] <JT-Shop> distance or speed?
[17:36:50] <IchGucksLive> distance
[17:37:05] <JT-Shop> I don't think you can do that in 2.4.x
[17:38:02] <IchGucksLive> how does axis do this there are the increments in the choice label to pick
[17:38:19] <kirk_wallace> I'm looking into updating some of the man pages. I got git and cloned a repository. I looked through emc2-dev/docs/man/man.9 for mux4 but it and many others are not there. Where should I look? Thanks.
[17:38:19] <JT-Shop> it is done inside of Axis not with HAL
[17:38:50] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: thanks so cradek said its maybe inplemented in 2.5
[17:39:11] <JT-Shop> kirk_wallace: most of the short ones are comps and you will find them in src/hal/components
[17:39:38] <A2Sheds> JT-Shop: it's sad today, now they even sell chemistry sets without any chemicals in them http://www.thejayfk.com/?p=621
[17:40:00] <jdhNC> and no glass test tubes, might hurt yourself
[17:40:53] <IchGucksLive> cradek: is there a working issue to that on any development page
[17:41:10] <JT-Shop> IchGucksLive: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
[17:41:52] <kirk_wallace> So, the man page comes from the comp description? If so, then what if I want to make a real man page or expand the comp description?
[17:41:53] <JT-Shop> you might use halui.jog.N.analog and feed it an incremental number
[17:42:47] <JT-Shop> if you want to expand the comp description you can do it right in the comp... I think only the ones that are written in c have hand coded man pages
[17:43:25] <kirk_wallace> What about including pictures and link?
[17:43:33] <kirk_wallace> links
[17:43:34] <IchGucksLive> incremental means -0.1 negetiv or 0.1 positiv ?
[17:43:45] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop:
[17:43:49] <JT-Shop> afaik you can't do that in a man page
[17:44:11] <JT-Shop> it is really for the terminal only
[17:44:31] <JT-Shop> kirk_wallace: there is a list of components in the documents as well
[17:44:49] <JT-Shop> if I can find it...
[17:45:19] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/hal/components.html
[17:45:57] <JT-Shop> those can have links and images
[17:48:28] <JT-Shop> oh nice that page is a mix of paragraph types with a public note to fix me
[17:48:51] <kirk_wallace> Aren't the docview documents made form the repository?
[17:49:08] <JT-Shop> I don't understand your question
[17:50:28] <kirk_wallace> I assume to some degree the docview is bound by the man or comp text, due to an automated creation process?
[17:50:42] <JT-Shop> docview?
[17:51:41] <JT-Shop> html ? pdf ?
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[17:51:50] <kirk_wallace> The HTML pages for each component. Sorry, I don't have the proper terminology yet.
[17:51:57] <JT-Shop> it's ok
[17:52:04] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: I will test this halui.jog.N.analog with mux4 in
[17:53:06] <JT-Shop> man pages are created from the text in comps the HTML is created from the man pages and there is even a PDF document of man pages but it never made it to the menu
[17:53:35] <JT-Shop> except of course any components that were created in c needed hand coded man pages
[17:54:20] <JT-Shop> kirk_wallace: do you want to switch to #emc-devel so we don't bore these fine folks with document stuff?
[17:55:52] <kirk_wallace> IchGucksLive: If it helps, this is what I have been doing the last few days:http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/Shizuoka_HAL_OV-1c.svg
[17:56:32] <kirk_wallace> JT-Shop: I'll try. I'm not too swift on IRC too.
[17:57:03] <JT-Shop> just type in / join #emc-devel and leave the space out after the /
[17:58:16] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i remember something about the max velocity causing issues with following errors with steppers
[17:59:03] <JT-Shop> I seem to recall something but can't remember exactly, I wish PCW was around
[17:59:10] <Danimal_garage> might have had something to do with the traj
[17:59:22] <Danimal_garage> or the default max vel
[17:59:36] <Danimal_garage> in relation to the joint max vel
[18:01:07] <Danimal_garage> try changing the max velocity for the traj in the ini
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[18:02:55] <JT-Shop> one huge problem is I can't duplicate the problem on my computer it only happens on the Dell in the East Coast
[18:03:34] <Danimal_garage> ah
[18:03:47] <JT-Shop> kirk_wallace: did you get to join #emc-devel?
[18:04:20] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: what if i do this with MDI commands G0 G91 X-0.01
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[18:05:10] <JT-Shop> I think it might blow up, but I'm not sure what G91 does off the top of my head
[18:05:26] <IchGucksLive> incremental
[18:05:50] <JT-Shop> it should move that far from current location then
[18:05:52] <IchGucksLive> thats then 8 MDI per axis for 4 incrementels
[18:06:10] <IchGucksLive> i check this
[18:06:48] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: you have the feedback from the stepgens hooked up in hal?
[18:07:28] <Danimal_garage> this new anno tank is a bit more work than i expected to set up
[18:08:06] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: I think so... it would not move at all if not?
[18:08:37] <skunkworks> depends on how big your following error is set ;)
[18:09:03] <skunkworks> did you try changing the stepgen max accelleration to 20% above...
[18:09:12] <JT-Shop> well the config runs fine on my plasma computer (that has a 5i20 on board)
[18:09:21] <skunkworks> also - checking to make sure the pins for the stepgen are getting set to what you think.
[18:09:30] <skunkworks> you keep saying that.. ;)
[18:09:44] <JT-Shop> I've never gotten a following error on this computer
[18:09:56] <skunkworks> and it is only the rotory axis?
[18:10:03] <JT-Shop> the only difference is the two motherboards
[18:10:19] <JT-Shop> no it is all axis but the rotary seems to get picked more often
[18:10:40] <skunkworks> and the mesa hardware...
[18:11:12] <JT-Shop> 5i20 7i47
[18:12:33] <JT-Shop> all following error values seems proper
[18:14:51] <skunkworks> can you post your hal file somewehrer?
[18:15:37] <skunkworks> and INI
[18:15:56] <JT-Shop> sure just a sec
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[18:16:14] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: is it posible to unable the homing for testing ?
[18:16:32] <IchGucksLive> cause there is no real mashine connected
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[18:16:43] <skunkworks> IchGucksLive: it is an ini setting -
[18:16:48] <IchGucksLive> how do i do this only remove the homing net ?
[18:17:17] <IchGucksLive> so # bevor all homing in the TRJ
[18:17:47] <skunkworks> NO_FORCE_HOMING = 1
[18:17:58] <skunkworks> in the [traj] section
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[18:23:36] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: this works out with the MDI
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[18:28:02] <IchGucksLive> this is the hell o programm code 3 axis eatch 4 increment positiv and negativ with the python halbit
[18:28:18] <IchGucksLive> 24 MDI commands
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[18:29:39] <IchGucksLive> so see you tomorrow with or without working code !
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[18:33:46] <cradek> "The first thing you do after breaking a tap, is to go get a cup of coffee."
[18:34:38] <Danimal_garage> lol
[18:35:42] <skunkworks> uh oh
[18:36:37] <cradek> (special case of "walk away from the tools if something about the work irritates you")
[18:36:40] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: http://pastebin.com/QbMKTiKY
[18:37:20] <JT-Shop> http://pastebin.com/5V0JJrvi
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[19:11:38] <PCW> JT-Shop There are bugs in the stepgen driver if you use the default unlimited accel value
[19:11:40] <PCW> whether you see an actual error depends on the latency of the computer and the accuracy of its PCI clock (for a 5I20)
[19:11:45] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: I don't see anything.. (other than you should just try setting the stepgen max acc to something 20% higher than the axis acc
[19:12:09] <skunkworks> heh
[19:12:27] <skunkworks> PCW: welcome back!
[19:13:55] <PCW> Thanks, nice to go but nice to be home too
[19:15:38] <skunkworks> bbl
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[19:18:11] <Danimal_garage> weird, i can't move my machine
[19:18:18] <Danimal_garage> all of a sudden.
[19:19:05] <mrsun> burned controller? :P
[19:19:10] <Danimal_garage> everything works but movement
[19:19:25] <Danimal_garage> spindle, etc
[19:20:11] <Danimal_garage> keyboard, pendant, and jog buttons in axis won't move any joint
[19:20:21] <Danimal_garage> same in mdu
[19:20:23] <Danimal_garage> mdi
[19:20:40] <Danimal_garage> but the servos are powered and holding, and feedback is working
[19:21:13] <Danimal_garage> ok i'm an idiot lol
[19:21:24] <Danimal_garage> feed hold button got hit accidentally
[19:22:36] <Danimal_garage> wow, that's even bad for me
[19:23:04] <A2Sheds> we all do it
[19:23:21] <Danimal_garage> lol
[19:24:07] <anonimasu> PCW: what is the NICEST way to wire up something to the 7i40 (encoders) is there any pre-made breakout boards anywhere?
[19:24:33] <anonimasu> or do I need to kill my ribbon cables to do it?
[19:26:31] <JT-Shop> PCW: ok, thanks I'll set them to 20% higher
[19:30:00] <grommit> Is there a programmatic command in EMC (while Axis is running, I mean) to cause it to ignore following error?
[19:31:01] <PCW> anonimasu nicest is probably 10 HDR --> drop wire 10 --> IDC DE9F
[19:32:11] <JT-Shop> PCW: thanks
[19:32:47] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: at least you know the FH button works now
[19:33:27] <PCW> The stepgen driver could be improved, it believes the servo thread tic time more than its own better OSC
[19:35:16] <Danimal_garage> haha
[19:35:22] <Danimal_garage> i did one thing right at least!
[19:35:56] <grommit> PCW: We have step/dir working with out Granite drives (finally). Mostly a noise issue was the problem. But I am curious if it is worth trying PWM/DIR. Is there anything to be gained if Step/dir is working?
[19:36:05] <grommit> out==our
[19:37:28] <Danimal_garage> i'm pretty stoked, probably the biggest high end bike manufacturer in the world is buying a bunch of my parts for some concept bikes
[19:37:50] <Danimal_garage> should be some good free exposure
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[19:45:42] <PCW> Not exactly sure what the tradeoffs are except with PWM/DIR all tuning (other than current control loop) is in EMC
[19:51:01] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: Sweet!
[19:51:28] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: yea, good news. hopefully they like them and buy me out haha
[19:52:43] <JT-Shop> then you can go to Mexico and sip on Pina Coladas down by the beach
[19:53:01] <Danimal_garage> ha, i wish
[19:53:10] <Danimal_garage> i'd settle for paying my house off
[19:54:03] <jdhNC> then what would you make?
[19:54:21] <JT-Shop> cogs
[19:55:22] <JT-Shop> PCW: should I fix the hostmot2 stepper sample config to have a maxvel and maxaccel at some reasonable value other than 0 like it is now?
[19:55:51] <Danimal_garage> jdhNC: lots of empty beer cans is what i'd make
[19:56:12] <JT-Shop> oh start a recycling business then
[19:56:26] <Danimal_garage> sure, let's call it that
[19:56:42] <jdhNC> you could save them and cast parts
[19:57:49] <Danimal_garage> i dont think you're grasping the concept
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[19:58:49] <jdhNC> wouldn't you need to sell your tools and yourself? Aren't you the value-added part?
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[20:00:22] <Danimal_garage> my machines are not for sale
[20:00:40] <Danimal_garage> not worth anything to anyone but me anyways
[20:01:07] <Danimal_garage> it's the brand name and possibly fixtures/programs/cad files that are worth something
[20:06:43] <Danimal_garage> sweet, my lead for the cathodes just showed up
[20:07:14] <Danimal_garage> i'm gunna soak it in my old anno tank to help get rid of any impurities
[20:07:27] <Danimal_garage> not sure how much it'll help, but it can't hurt
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[20:16:14] <anonimasu> PCW: nothing done for that that you can buy already made?
[20:18:11] <mrsun> anyone know if there is a power twist belt that can run in reverse also ?
[20:18:21] <mrsun> (for lathe, only time i will reverse i guess is when i do threads =)
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[20:20:25] <jdhNC> janl;/msg connor what is the first item for?
[20:20:48] <jdhNC> <urk>
[20:20:59] <PCW> JT-Shop: Yes probably a good idea (20% more than machine limit)
[20:21:16] <jthornton> ok I'll take care of that Peter
[20:21:49] <skunkKandT> logger_emc:
[20:21:49] <logger_emc> I'm logging. I don't understand '', skunkKandT. Try /msg logger_emc help
[20:21:50] <PCW> anonimasu: we can supply them (but you need to wire your encoders to DE9Ms)
[20:21:54] <skunkKandT> logger_emc: bookmark
[20:21:54] <logger_emc> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2011-10-27.txt
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[20:26:35] <anonimasu> PCW: no problem! that would be very very perfect
[20:27:05] <anonimasu> probably buying from you is equally cheap to sourcing locally :)
[20:27:15] <andypugh> mrsun: Are you sure that they can't all run in reverse? I have never even considered that they might be directional!
[20:27:19] <anonimasu> (we have crazy prices for some stuff)
[20:27:41] <mrsun> andypugh, i guess they should be able to but looks like a one way thingie =)
[20:27:58] <mrsun> maybe just cant transfer alot of power in reverse =)
[20:30:28] <andypugh> Well, that's my thing to have learned today, Powertwist is directional: http://www.fennerdrives.com/assets/ptpinstall.pdf
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[20:30:56] <andypugh> But why would you be running in reverse for threading?
[20:31:17] <Jymmm> remove the tap?
[20:31:44] <Danimal_garage> lol
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[20:32:42] <mrsun> andypugh, to not screw things up if i need to do another pass
[20:32:47] <andypugh> Ah, yes, fair enough. I wasn't thinking of rigid tapping
[20:32:56] <andypugh> mrsun: G76?
[20:32:59] <mrsun> just stop the lathe, turn back the compound, reverse, and do over
[20:33:02] <mrsun> andypugh, manual =)
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[20:33:26] <andypugh> The I think you want #stone-age ?
[20:33:32] <mrsun> hahahaha =)
[20:33:47] <Jymmm> FSCK ME... gojo in a squeze tube $19 ?! wth
[20:34:31] <Danimal_garage> two bulkhead fittings complete!
[20:34:36] <Jymmm> But $1.99 for a tub of it
[20:34:44] <Jymmm> err $1.89
[20:38:53] <Tom_itx> Jymmm convenience
[20:39:06] <Tom_itx> ... for the retailer
[20:40:08] <Tom_itx> oh JT-Shop,
[20:40:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/small_probe5.jpg
[20:40:24] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/small_probe6.jpg
[20:41:25] <andypugh> How concentric are they?
[20:41:29] <Tom_itx> i gotta find some shorter set screws
[20:41:52] <Tom_itx> andypugh, i finished them late yesteerday and haven't had time to do anything with em
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[20:42:21] <andypugh> So, you don't know if you see "motion queue not ampty at end of probe move" then?
[20:42:42] <Tom_itx> no i still need to wire them up
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[20:50:21] <JT-Shop> you pick out a stili or however it is spelled yet?
[20:50:35] <Danimal_garage> sweet, all plumbing is done inside the tank
[20:50:37] <Tom_itx> i picked one out but haven't ordered
[20:50:46] <Danimal_garage> and bulkheads installed
[20:50:49] <JT-Shop> nice
[20:50:50] <Tom_itx> i think it's 4mm x 17 long
[20:51:07] <Tom_itx> need short for this short mill
[20:51:29] <Danimal_garage> let's just hope it doesnt leak lol
[20:51:48] <Tom_itx> fill it up with water once first
[20:52:49] <Danimal_garage> where's the fun in that
[20:52:59] <Danimal_garage> you guys have no sense of adventure
[20:53:01] <Tom_itx> well surely don't use beer
[20:53:12] <Danimal_garage> naturally
[20:54:09] <Danimal_garage> i found that a heated pipe pops through the side of a plastic tank quite easily
[20:54:21] <Danimal_garage> makes a nice clean hole
[20:54:23] <Tom_itx> make sure you add an ESTOP to the circulation pump :)
[20:54:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I dun know man, Just foung packets for $0.48/ea
[20:54:37] <Danimal_garage> eh, i just pull the plug
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[21:03:16] <andypugh> argh! no matter what I do, boost compiles and installs in the place I unpacked the tarball.
[21:04:18] <cradek> ugh, don't be silly, use a prepackaged version
[21:05:12] <andypugh> I tried that too.
[21:05:48] <andypugh> It gets put in a different wrong place, where it can't be found by things which need it.
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[21:08:23] <andypugh> It's wierd. The default install is /usr/local/lib|include, the command-line option was the same, the config files said the same. The files got put in a sub-directory of the tarball directory.
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[21:58:09] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3018676&group_id=6744&atid=106744 <-- Have you had to use these patches?
[21:58:17] <FinboySlick> (on 2.6.35)
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[22:02:33] <Guest563> Hi Everyone, I am looking for a why to home all but move Z up first any pointers?
[22:03:25] <Tom_itx> order
[22:03:26] <FinboySlick> Guest563: Doesn't 'home all' start with Z?
[22:03:32] <FinboySlick> (by default)
[22:03:41] <Tom_itx> set the order in the axis in hal
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[22:04:25] <Guest563> mine dose x,y,z by radio buttons
[22:04:51] <Tom_itx> err in the ini file i meant
[22:04:53] <Guest563> should os said "home all" button
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[22:05:15] <Tom_itx> HOME_SEQUENCE = 1
[22:05:18] <skunkKandT> Guest563: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_homing.html
[22:05:25] <Tom_itx> starting with 0
[22:05:26] <skunkKandT> see Home_sequence
[22:05:28] <skunkKandT> heh
[22:05:45] <Guest563> will look at it, still very new to this
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[22:06:03] <Guest563> so forgive my ignorance
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[22:06:07] <Tom_itx> if you want x and y to home together set them to the same number
[22:06:07] <skunkKandT> the docs are your friend :)
[22:06:19] <Tom_itx> i do z then x and y
[22:06:46] <Guest563> i want a home all button to do it all in one press
[22:07:06] <Tom_itx> it will if you set the sequence in the ini
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[22:07:49] <Tom_itx> i set z to 0 and x and y to 1
[22:08:00] <Guest563> ok will try it thanks
[22:08:23] <Guest563> see it in the doc thanks again
[22:08:42] <Guest563> case of RTFM
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[22:54:16] <ve7it> interesting looking stepper for not a bad price http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G18214
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[23:08:58] <Danimal_garage> i'm officially past the point of no return, my old anodizing setup is gone and the new tank is in it's place
[23:15:14] <JT-Shop> nice
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[23:22:27] <Tom_itx> damn! how many times do ya gotta grab it before you know it's hot!
[23:23:21] <JT-Shop> you gotta be sure...
[23:31:35] <skunkKandT> slitting saws are cool
[23:32:00] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: you need to run this command: sed -i 's/pci_find_device/pci_get_device/g' hal/drivers/*.c from src directory
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