#emc | Logs for 2011-10-26

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[00:03:47] <Danimal_garage> dammit, not getting my endmills today, friggin ups screwed up my address
[00:03:55] <Danimal_garage> needed them too :(
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[00:05:15] <Tom_itx> try your local ACE Hdwe
[00:05:25] <Loetmichel> *Grrr*
[00:05:47] <Loetmichel> <- waiting for my bed to set the PVC glue and the pach...
[00:05:58] <Loetmichel> waked up an hor ago with a wet back...
[00:06:12] <Loetmichel> checked the trousers: nope, front dry...
[00:06:17] <Tom_itx> hint: that glue don't work
[00:06:56] <Loetmichel> so i searched the hole in the water matress, glued it and are now wating to go to sleep again
[00:07:45] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you mean patched it, not glued it, right?
[00:07:46] <Danimal_garage> waterbed? what are you, a 70's porn star?
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[00:08:09] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: If he his, he's making more money than you =)
[00:08:14] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: patched it up with some pvc foil and glue, yes
[00:08:22] <Danimal_garage> why, have you seen his work?
[00:08:45] <Tom_itx> gawd, it must be miller time...
[00:08:48] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: no, but a man without back pain for the last 11 years
[00:09:03] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: not yet, that's the problem
[00:09:12] <Tom_itx> :/
[00:09:17] <Loetmichel> which i have on every normal matress after some hors of sleep
[00:09:20] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: See, no back pain from stretching in all that pr0n
[00:10:14] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: a modern water bed isnt for porn.
[00:10:33] <Loetmichel> would not be comfotable 'cause it is only 30cm deep
[00:11:06] <Loetmichel> still its nearly a topn of water to sleep on.
[00:11:10] <Loetmichel> ton
[00:11:57] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11624 <- bed without the sheets and empty matresses
[00:12:46] <Danimal_garage> sterns and foster, problem solved!
[00:12:51] <Danimal_garage> :)
[00:12:55] <Loetmichel> ?
[00:13:25] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That's not a waterbed, that's a flotation mattress
[00:14:12] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Now, THIS is a watebed... http://www.techimo.com/forum/attachments/imo-community/13192d1107044851-things-not-do-when-filling-your-waterbed-water_bed.jpg
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[00:15:09] <Loetmichel> grr, 24h disconnect
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[00:15:21] <Loetmichel> [02:12:38] <Danimal_garage> sterns and foster, problem solved!
[00:15:21] <Loetmichel> [02:12:44] <Danimal_garage> :)
[00:15:21] <Loetmichel> [02:12:47] <Loetmichel> ?
[00:15:39] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: that's what nightmares are made of!
[00:15:43] <Jymmm> 2011-10-25 17:12:46 Danimal_garage: sterns and foster, problem solved!
[00:15:43] <Jymmm> 2011-10-25 17:12:52 Danimal_garage: :)
[00:15:43] <Jymmm> 2011-10-25 17:12:55 Loetmichel: ?
[00:15:43] <Jymmm> 2011-10-25 17:13:24 Jymmm: Loetmichel: That's not a waterbed, that's a flotation mattress
[00:15:45] <Loetmichel> what should i do with a matress shop?
[00:15:45] <Jymmm> 2011-10-25 17:14:12 Jymmm: Loetmichel: Now, THIS is a watebed... http://www.techimo.com/forum/attachments/imo-community/13192d1107044851-things-not-do-when-filling-your-waterbed-water_bed.jpg
[00:15:58] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: if you say so
[00:16:20] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Only if you have a cat or kid
[00:16:21] <Tom_itx> was all that really worth repeating?
[00:16:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yes, now sthu!
[00:16:54] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ...and quit yer bitchin!
[00:17:00] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, go flop across that matress
[00:17:21] <Tom_itx> it looks like it's ready to give birth
[00:17:30] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: hrhr... little bit tooo much water?
[00:17:51] <Jymmm> That's easy to fix. just disconnect the hose at the other end and toss in backyrd/tub
[00:18:04] <Loetmichel> but the bed is the same constructon as mine, just with a single matress not 2 in one frame
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[00:18:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: your mattress are not 8" thick withut bladders in them
[00:18:50] <Loetmichel> no, not 8"
[00:19:08] <Loetmichel> 10"
[00:19:09] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[00:19:19] <Jymmm> I've owned both.
[00:19:32] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: and it was the eighties bitch!
[00:20:12] <Loetmichel> and no bladders, but about 90% dampening (by plastic wool in the matresses to break/brake the waves)
[00:21:58] <Jymmm> thats what I meant
[00:22:25] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you should get the tubes instead
[00:22:56] <Loetmichel> tubes?
[00:24:01] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: instead of two bladders, it uses multiple tubes http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00aCsQPyYdnvbI/Tube-Mattress.jpg
[00:24:11] <Jymmm> if one leaks, you're safe
[00:24:14] <Loetmichel> the reason for 2 matresses and the thin isoplation pad in the middle: my wife has a different setting on her heater than i
[00:24:29] <Loetmichel> ah, i see
[00:24:54] <Loetmichel> i am safe also
[00:25:01] <Jymmm> and you can make each one fuller/lesser too
[00:25:19] <Loetmichel> the blue lining of the bed is a safety
[00:25:28] <Jymmm> Ha, don't you believe it.
[00:25:50] <Loetmichel> even if the "bladders" matresses leak, the water can not spill on the floor
[00:25:53] <Jymmm> Like I said, I've owned both.
[00:25:57] <Loetmichel> it stays in the bed
[00:26:09] <Jymmm> If you say so.
[00:26:26] * Jymmm hands Loetmichel a mop bucket =)
[00:26:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: they rip when you least expect it.
[00:26:59] <Loetmichel> i hope so, 'cause about 1000 liters water on the floor wouldnt be fun
[00:27:17] <Loetmichel> rip?
[00:27:21] <Loetmichel> the bladders?
[00:27:23] <Loetmichel> no.
[00:27:26] <Jymmm> no the liner
[00:27:45] <Loetmichel> they just get little cracks everywhre they are folded
[00:27:51] <Loetmichel> ah, the liner
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[00:28:04] <Loetmichel> yes, that can happen and has happenend
[00:29:10] <Loetmichel> the photo was made as i changed the liner/foam walls/bladders last year because tha old ones were about 10 years and sprung leaks faster than i could patch them up
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[00:30:02] <Loetmichel> luckily, none of the leaks was bigger than a neddle hole.
[00:30:10] <Loetmichel> so not much water going out
[00:30:59] <Loetmichel> but a pain in the a** nontheless, to wake upo every third day with a wet bottom :-(
[00:32:01] <Loetmichel> (i think after 10 years the PVC from the bladders gets prone to braking in folds/under stress)
[00:32:07] <Loetmichel> breaking
[00:32:15] <Jymmm> yeah, probably.
[00:33:17] <Loetmichel> do, now i will go back to bed, 5 hours 'til work, need to get some sleep
[00:33:33] <Jymmm> g'night
[00:33:42] <Tom_itx> don't drown
[00:39:08] <Jymmm> y aknow what annoys the fuck out of me... when you see a small pic that says "click to enlarge" and the "enlarged" one is smaller than the one you were looking at in the first place!
[00:39:54] <Tom_itx> it's bigger, just further away
[00:40:02] <Jymmm> lol
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[00:43:33] <emcrules_D510> http://pastebin.com/vWEUTBRU
[00:44:13] <emcrules_D510> Anyone have a clue whats wrong here.^
[00:46:29] <Jymmm> does 'emc.nml' exist? what are it's perms? the contianing directory perms?
[00:55:46] <emcrules_D510> no it does not exist. I guess HIDCOMP uses an NML file to connect to emc. where can i find docs on setting up the nml file?
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[01:04:48] <Turtl3boi> hello?
[01:05:05] <Turtl3boi> would someone mind talking to me about various CNC machines?
[01:11:30] <emcrules_D510> http://pastebin.com/dZXUFrnG /emc.nml file i am using
[01:12:16] <Turtl3boi> hey man, which CMC you got buddy?
[01:12:21] <Turtl3boi> CNC* mill
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[01:13:01] <emcrules_D510> http://pastebin.com/hw0ndwhU
[01:13:13] <emcrules_D510> Error durring load i am getting^
[01:13:44] <emcrules_D510> Turtl3boi: yes a mill
[01:15:18] <Turtl3boi> Which mill do you own? Can I see some pictures of it?
[01:16:32] <emcrules_D510> i own a bridgeport clone
[01:17:01] <emcrules_D510> brb
[01:17:12] <Turtl3boi> kk
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[01:29:42] <grommit> is there such as thing as an if/then/else statement in hal?
[01:34:05] <skunkworks> emcrules_D510: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING#emc_nml_changes
[01:34:34] <skunkworks> remove the NML_FILE = emc.nml
[01:36:25] <skunkworks> grommit: I don't know
[01:37:10] <grommit> Hey skunkworks. What do I need to do to have classic ladder in emc?
[01:37:44] <emcrules_D510> skunkworks: seemd to work axis loads and i get this in the terminal
[01:37:46] <emcrules_D510> http://pastebin.com/63BLrhVy
[01:40:47] <grommit> nevermind I found: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ClassicLadder_Ver_7.124
[01:41:21] <emcrules_D510> YESSSSS it's ALIVE Wah HA HA
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[01:42:51] <emcrules_D510> I was editing the wrong Effin file yet again!!!
[01:44:00] <emcrules_D510> This makes for a sweet pendant interface
[01:46:18] <Turtl3boi> hallo emcrules
[01:46:44] <Turtl3boi> how much does the bridgeport clone cost $$?
[01:48:07] <emcrules_D510> 7 to 10 grand
[01:48:41] <emcrules_D510> no cnc just a manual knee mill
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[01:51:58] <Turtl3boi> is buying a used bridgeport a good idea?
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[01:55:34] <emcrules_D510> sure why not? what do you plan to use it on
[01:57:11] <Turtl3boi> well i'm just wondering if they go bad easily
[01:57:15] <Turtl3boi> i have no clue what to check for
[01:57:21] <Turtl3boi> i just want to do mild steel and aluminum
[01:57:28] <Turtl3boi> mainly aluminum and wood even
[01:57:38] <Turtl3boi> small parts for radio control and various ideas
[02:02:17] <emcrules_D510> the most you have to worry about is the spindle assy and bearings
[02:02:50] <Turtl3boi> hmm ok
[02:03:01] <Turtl3boi> i see a few cool deals for bridgeports on craigslist for under $4k
[02:03:27] <emcrules_D510> sometimes if they have chromed ways they could be dammaged but fro general hobby use they should be fine.
[02:05:01] <emcrules_D510> lead screw nuts tend to be worn out on older machines as well.
[02:06:17] <Turtl3boi> i saw this also which looked like a good deal : http://www.littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=3829&category=1241045623
[02:06:21] <Turtl3boi> lemme know what you think about it
[02:07:24] <emcrules_D510> they are nice machines
[02:09:00] <Turtl3boi> why did you go the route of buying a bridgeport clone and then CNC'ing it later?
[02:09:06] <Turtl3boi> instead of buying something like the tormach
[02:12:06] <emcrules_D510> Im a automation eng by trade. The bridgeport was cheap (2 grand) and the CNC part was simple given my access to surplus components
[02:12:51] <jdhNC> and, it's better than drinking all night
[02:13:16] <elmo40> it is?
[02:13:24] <elmo40> *hik*
[02:13:45] <Turtl3boi> so how can i get a bridgeport clone for 2 grand?
[02:13:46] * elmo40 stumbles off to bed... and misses by a mile >_<
[02:13:55] <Turtl3boi> is that just for insiders or guys with a wholesale license?
[02:13:55] <emcrules_D510> however time is always the hard part to find
[02:13:59] <jdhNC> depends on where you live
[02:14:41] <emcrules_D510> auctions
[02:15:33] <emcrules_D510> the market should be flooded with them give the current economic climate
[02:15:55] <Turtl3boi> holy crap.....so maybe i should just get a bridgeport and CNC it with your help
[02:16:17] <Turtl3boi> i'd imagine having it delivered to my garage would also be significant cost
[02:16:28] <Turtl3boi> since bridgeports weigh over 1000 lbs
[02:16:57] <emcrules_D510> depends on where you buy it. a 5 ton tilt and load can move it
[02:17:09] <emcrules_D510> without the need for a forklift
[02:19:15] <Turtl3boi> well i'm just a small fry with no connections to the industrial world
[02:20:57] <emcrules_D510> don't get me wrong it aint cheap. if a tormach or smitthy size machine can do what you want. then it may be worth the money to be cutting metal with a complete machine then trying to build one
[02:22:23] <jdhNC> especially if you don't have other machines to cut the parts to make the machine
[02:22:59] <Turtl3boi> ahhh ok so you guys have access already to machines to mod it out
[02:23:01] <jdhNC> tormach with the tool system looks pretty cool for a small machine
[02:23:05] <Turtl3boi> to make the motor mounts and stuff
[02:23:19] <Turtl3boi> now i'm starting to get somewhere
[02:24:53] <jdhNC> I'm not.
[02:25:15] <jdhNC> I bought a mini-mill to convert and still haven't started.
[02:26:51] <Turtl3boi> oh geez
[02:26:55] <Turtl3boi> which one did you get
[02:27:07] <jdhNC> Grizzly G0704
[02:27:21] <Turtl3boi> i see that one a lot
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[02:27:30] <Turtl3boi> it seems weak sauce but i don't know jack
[02:27:42] <jdhNC> it's no bridgeport
[02:28:00] <jdhNC> but, I have no room for a bridgeport
[02:28:19] <jdhNC> and I do have one at work I can use.
[02:29:57] <Turtl3boi> have you played with the Grizzly doing aluminum?
[02:30:30] <jdhNC> nope, I unpacked it and haven't touched it in months
[02:31:46] <Turtl3boi> i used to work in a machine shop but i did welding
[02:31:48] <emcrules_D510> it took me a year or two to get off my ass and finish my BP
[02:31:54] <Turtl3boi> so i never learned a damn thing about how to operate a mill
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[02:32:50] <jdhNC> I've been working on an arduino/android app for a few weeks instead. That's my excuse to myself anyway.
[02:33:48] <Turtl3boi> you mean you installed android on a arduino?
[02:34:01] <jdhNC> heh, that would be cool
[02:34:26] <Turtl3boi> lol
[02:34:29] <jdhNC> no, some sensors and stuff being read by an arduino. display on android via bluetooth
[02:34:37] <Turtl3boi> oh cool
[02:34:48] <Turtl3boi> can i work with you together?
[02:34:55] <Turtl3boi> do you live in the US
[02:35:06] <jdhNC> nc.us
[02:35:46] <jdhNC> sure, you write the android side. I know nothing of java.
[02:35:48] <Turtl3boi> darn i live in california
[02:36:02] <Turtl3boi> haha i know java but java for the PC not java on android
[02:36:30] <jdhNC> the android/bluetooth thing is just because it sounds cool. The real thing has an LCD that displays everything
[02:37:15] <jdhNC> acutally, the android side works too, but I can't get it to graph everything at once.
[02:37:16] <emcrules_D510> skunkworks: what would be a good approach to changing the jog increment with one button?
[02:38:23] <Turtl3boi> well what data are you trying to graph
[02:38:46] <Turtl3boi> oh you want to update several graphs at once
[02:38:52] <Turtl3boi> instead of sequentially
[02:39:06] <Turtl3boi> or only one is updating for you
[02:39:17] <jdhNC> 3 oxygen sensors and a pressure. The graph code I stole only does one.
[02:39:20] <Turtl3boi> when you expected your code to update several at once
[02:39:38] <jdhNC> when I add code for 4, it crashes before it gets to my code.
[02:39:48] <Turtl3boi> yeah i mean i would imagine it's not that much different conceptually from the swing framework of normal PC java
[02:40:19] <jdhNC> dunno, this is the only java I've seen. I do c mainlyi
[02:42:23] <jdhNC> https://picasaweb.google.com/112430417093824344570/O2CellChecker#5667227205048318882
[02:43:13] <jdhNC> the android display doesn't really add any value, just something I wanted to do.
[02:46:39] <Turtl3boi> *cute* of you
[02:47:10] <jdhNC> huh?
[02:48:34] <Turtl3boi> leaving the reading in mVolts lol
[02:48:47] <Turtl3boi> very scienc-ey of you to do that
[02:49:23] <jdhNC> that's acutally the only important part of the whole thing.
[02:49:31] <Turtl3boi> wait i guess this is a pressure sensor?
[02:49:35] <Turtl3boi> the mVolts....
[02:50:14] <jdhNC> the o2 sensor put out ~10-12mV in air
[02:51:32] <Turtl3boi> ahh ok
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[02:54:54] <Turtl3boi> do you think you can teach me how to be a machinist and generally DIYer
[02:55:03] <jdhNC> not me.
[02:57:23] <Turtl3boi> darn
[02:57:28] <Turtl3boi> anything you can teach me?
[02:57:39] <Turtl3boi> i will of course pay u back somehow
[02:57:42] <jdhNC> how do you feel about VMS
[02:59:43] <Turtl3boi> dunno anything about VMS
[03:00:01] <Turtl3boi> only thing i'm good at it welding and embedded and some programming
[03:07:43] <Tom_itx> get a feed and speed chart
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[03:09:28] <Turtl3boi> hmm
[03:09:37] <Turtl3boi> what's VMS and what's a feed & speed chart
[03:09:52] <grommit> anyone use classicladder in emc? How do I assign a pin name to a CL component?
[03:10:54] <grommit> Turtl3boi: Wikipedia is your friend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speeds_and_feeds
[03:14:54] <Turtl3boi> what's VMS because i couldn't find that earlier
[03:15:05] <grommit> and old OS
[03:15:10] <grommit> and==an
[03:17:57] <Turtl3boi> look grommit, i don't want to sound annoying, but i'm in here trying to get more info about milling machines
[03:18:02] <Turtl3boi> so would you mind telling me what setup you use?
[03:18:22] <grommit> setup for EMC?
[03:18:41] <SWPadnos> I'll bet VMS means "Vertical Machining System" or something like that, in this context
[03:19:57] <jdhNC> sadly, it means it's an old OS
[03:20:09] <grommit> I thought so!
[03:20:16] <grommit> You have an old vax?
[03:20:20] <SWPadnos> heh
[03:20:23] <grommit> pdp-11?
[03:20:28] <jdhNC> lots of them, at work.
[03:20:32] <SWPadnos> I wouldn't have thought anyone would care about VMS (in here)
[03:20:38] <Jymmm> Look at what the cat dragged in..... it's SWPadnos!
[03:20:41] <jdhNC> only a couple of pdp11's
[03:20:43] <SWPadnos> hi
[03:20:49] <grommit> very nice.
[03:20:51] <SWPadnos> back for almost 2 days this time!
[03:20:57] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Wlcome to amerika!
[03:21:01] <grommit> the 11-44s make nice end tables
[03:21:06] <SWPadnos> arigato
[03:21:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: =)
[03:22:19] <Turtl3boi> i meant what mill do you own?
[03:23:08] <SWPadnos> Turtl3boi, unfortunately, if you don't know much about machines and machining, having people tell you what they use may not help much
[03:23:23] <SWPadnos> it'll give you some good search terms, but not a lot else
[03:24:01] <jdhNC> or you might be happier with a cheaper, smaller, less able router.
[03:24:24] <SWPadnos> and before you ask, I have a manual Bridgeport milling machine, which might eventually get motors put on it (when I have the time (TM) )
[03:24:25] <grommit> Or a small mill, play with it, get familiar with it and then decide you need something bigger
[03:24:39] <SWPadnos> and an old Hardinge HNC lathe, which might get a control put on it at some point ...
[03:24:51] <grommit> those are nice
[03:25:12] <SWPadnos> nicer when they aren't gathering rust in my garage :(
[03:25:36] <emcrules_D510> SWPadnos: how could one toggle thru jog increments with one button using hal
[03:25:54] <grommit> Is incremental jog in 2.5?
[03:26:29] <SWPadnos> emcrules_D510, not sure. I don't know if there's any way to go through the list in a circular fashion (ie, wrap to the bottom when you hit the top)
[03:26:57] <SWPadnos> there shouldn't be, since that would be dangerous having the largest and smallest increments right next to each oterh
[03:26:59] <SWPadnos> otehr
[03:27:02] <SWPadnos> err
[03:27:04] <SWPadnos> other
[03:29:23] <emcrules_D510> Thats what im looking at right now. id just like to use one button to go through .0001.001.010 and then back to the start
[03:30:37] <grommit> Would you have an indication of the selection (besides the broken edge of your tool ;-)
[03:31:38] <emcrules_D510> of course sounds like you want the machine to make your coffee too
[03:31:50] <grommit> of course
[03:31:54] <emcrules_D510> lol
[03:32:12] <Turtl3boi> SWPadnos....would you buy a used bridgeport
[03:32:20] <grommit> a coffee extruder head...hmm....
[03:33:20] <SWPadnos> Turtl3boi, no thanks, I already have one :)
[03:33:41] <Turtl3boi> i mean would you recommend one for your buddy
[03:33:49] <SWPadnos> sure, I like the machine
[03:34:06] <SWPadnos> it's a manageable size, and can do a lot of machining work
[03:34:42] <SWPadnos> there are other machines that are stiffer or have a larger work envelope, but a BP is a pretty good machine IMO
[03:35:07] <SWPadnos> (by manageable size, I mean that it only weighs a ton, so it can be moved without major heavy equipment)
[03:35:32] <Turtl3boi> how much does it weigh ?
[03:35:37] <Turtl3boi> ok a ton
[03:35:39] <grommit> what do you want to do with it Turtl3boi?
[03:35:40] <Turtl3boi> that's ridiculous
[03:35:51] <Turtl3boi> i want to do tons of stuff
[03:35:55] <Turtl3boi> from making molds
[03:36:00] <Turtl3boi> to maching motor mounts
[03:36:14] <Turtl3boi> to mill out bike tubes
[03:36:22] <Turtl3boi> steel, aluminum, wood
[03:36:23] <grommit> then you want a machine that size (at least)
[03:36:28] <Turtl3boi> i wanna be a god of machining basically
[03:37:01] * Tom_itx hands Turtl3boi a block of machineable wax to start with
[03:37:28] <jdhNC> make 3 straight edges, by hand.
[03:37:34] <grommit> and says, "god, don't hurt yourself." :-)
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[03:39:00] <Turtl3boi_> i feel like buying a used bridgeport off craigslist but i have no clue how to see if it's actually in good shape or not
[03:39:07] <Turtl3boi_> i see a bunch of em out there
[03:39:29] <jdhNC> you can always find someone to buy it from you.
[03:39:34] <jdhNC> the previous owner did.
[03:40:09] <grommit> Where are you located?
[03:40:33] <Turtl3boi_> san diego area
[03:40:35] <Turtl3boi_> california
[03:40:54] <Tom_itx> get a knowledgeable machinist to go look at it with you and if he doesn't buy it first then maybe you can
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[03:42:30] <grommit> Is there a "maker" facility in your area you can join and learn and use their machines? Perhaps meet someone who knows the machines...?
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[03:43:21] <Turtl3boi> maybe
[03:43:27] <Turtl3boi> i heard something about that
[03:43:41] <Turtl3boi> the problem with a maker facility is those guys can be really anal
[03:43:49] <Turtl3boi> making me wear all this osha gear and crap
[03:44:03] <Turtl3boi> and making me take class after class before i get hands on with the machine
[03:44:48] <grommit> well...that is for liability - not to mention your safety - but anyway it can be a good place to get to know people who know machines
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[03:46:51] <Turtl3boi> well i used to work at a machine shop haha
[03:46:56] <Turtl3boi> but then again that was in a different city
[03:47:01] <Turtl3boi> i'm sure i could call those guys up
[03:47:51] <Valen> for most machine tools the only ohs stuff you need is glasses
[03:48:12] <Valen> I wear hearing stuff most of the time too but thats just me
[03:49:01] <Turtl3boi> if a bridgeport has a bunch of rust all over it does that mean it's necessarily crap already
[03:50:53] <grommit> definitely not, but it MIGHT be crap... If nothing else it is just sitting (in SWPadno's basement)...
[03:52:48] <Turtl3boi> lol....yeah we all know that metal items can become crap if they are not lubed
[03:52:58] <Turtl3boi> just like a car that is not run for a year
[03:53:27] <Turtl3boi> grommit where do you live?
[03:53:46] <grommit> Michigan
[03:54:29] <Turtl3boi> that's the best state to live in if you wanna be a great garage machinist
[03:55:15] <grommit> Or a factory machinist too, I guess.
[03:55:25] <grommit> or at least it was
[03:55:57] <Turtl3boi> nice
[03:56:01] <Turtl3boi> i was a welder
[03:56:10] <Turtl3boi> machinist is a better job though
[03:57:53] <Turtl3boi> grommit how much would you pay for a 15 year old bridgeport in usable condition with no CNC and no DRO?
[04:00:08] <grommit> Depends on it's condition. A friend in the shop here found one in amazing shape and got it for a song ($1500). Another in the shop is not in great shape and I believe cost it's owner about $2500. I am certainly not the expert on them by any stretch of the imagination.
[04:01:31] <Turtl3boi> they seem beastly
[04:01:47] <Turtl3boi> i still live with my mom and she prob won't let me have a beast like that in the garage
[04:02:08] <Turtl3boi> i guess it all depends on if she sees it being delivered or not
[04:02:11] <grommit> Don't be in a hurry. Look around, let a few go by and see what they are going for and what kind of shape they are in.
[04:02:18] <Turtl3boi> smart
[04:03:16] <grommit> getting one in a garage isn't usually a problem at all. some people put them in their basements. now that can be a challenge!
[04:03:48] <Valen> we had a lathe upstairs
[04:04:05] <Turtl3boi> haha
[04:04:10] <Turtl3boi> basements don't exist in these parts
[04:05:56] <grommit> Another option is to visit a local community college. If they have a shop, they are often nice.
[04:06:35] <grommit> You might have to wear some safety equipment there too, but if you have a deathwish then machining probably isn't the cleanest way to live that out ;-)
[04:06:42] <Turtl3boi> yah you know i wish i had done that instead of welding
[04:06:51] <grommit> never too late
[04:07:50] <Valen> grass is always greener
[04:08:03] <grommit> you have grass? :-)
[04:08:17] <Valen> yeah 700 square meters of the crap and a broken mower
[04:08:30] <grommit> ooh bummer
[04:09:23] <grommit> we're just in leaf pickup season. not much cutting to be done
[04:11:04] <grommit> well, have fun. oao
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[04:12:56] <Turtl3boi> michigan was so nice
[04:13:02] <Turtl3boi> have lots of family there
[04:13:26] <Turtl3boi> aww grom left
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[04:24:07] <Turtl3boi> what's a "knee" milling machine?
[04:24:23] <Turtl3boi> is that any different than a normal vertical mill?
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[04:25:13] <Turtl3boi> oh yeah also, is "power feed" the same as having CNC
[04:28:01] <SWPadnos> the only thing they have in common is that a power feed uses a motor
[04:28:38] <Valen> generally a crappier one than a CnC would use at that
[04:29:00] <Turtl3boi> hmm ok i see
[04:29:23] <Turtl3boi> if i am pretty good with g-code and using my CNC is there no use for a hand feed mill at that point?
[04:29:33] <SWPadnos> probably true
[04:29:37] <Valen> we dont
[04:29:48] <Valen> most hand feed stuff becomes a G1
[04:29:53] <Valen> MDI mode ftw
[04:29:56] <Turtl3boi> what's a G1
[04:29:59] <SWPadnos> if you want to drill a single hole, then manual is nive
[04:30:00] <SWPadnos> nice
[04:30:02] <Turtl3boi> what's MDI mode
[04:30:12] <Turtl3boi> ahh ok
[04:30:18] <Turtl3boi> manual on the vertical axis
[04:30:26] <SWPadnos> have you looked at the documentation on linuxcnc.org?
[04:30:29] <Valen> you can type gcode into EMC one line at a time
[04:30:30] <Turtl3boi> basically so it can function like a drill pressy
[04:30:41] <SWPadnos> yes, a nice 1-ton sturdy drill press :)
[04:31:04] <Turtl3boi> looks like i'm gonna be your little apprentice for a few weeks Padnos
[04:31:14] <SWPadnos> nope, not mine :)
[04:31:26] <SWPadnos> I'm going to be on the road most of the next month (like the last few months)
[04:31:30] <Turtl3boi> where do you live?
[04:31:37] <SWPadnos> so you'll have to learn on your own or from others
[04:31:42] <Turtl3boi> ok fine
[04:31:43] <SWPadnos> opposite from you, in Vermont
[04:31:58] <Turtl3boi> wow must be getting cold up there soon
[04:32:12] <SWPadnos> it's still in the 50s-60s, so not so bad
[04:32:57] <Turtl3boi> i can tell you are not one of those guys to recommend a "mini mill"
[04:33:04] <SWPadnos> highs that is. lows are in the 20s-30s overnight, I think
[04:33:07] <SWPadnos> correct
[04:33:27] <SWPadnos> especially if you want to cut metal, and you don't know what you're doing (which I don't either, for the most part)
[04:34:14] <Turtl3boi> ahh ok brilliant
[04:34:23] <Turtl3boi> i hope i get lucky and find a nice used bridgeport for around $2k
[04:34:36] <Turtl3boi> and i hope they can deliver it to me for that price too
[04:34:43] <SWPadnos> wait around a while, that's what I got ($1800)
[04:34:46] <SWPadnos> don't bet on it
[04:34:54] <SWPadnos> but as I said, they're not so bad to move
[04:35:12] <SWPadnos> the guy I bought mine from had a forklift, so he put it in the Ryder truck for me
[04:35:30] <SWPadnos> I hired a boom-style tow truck to get it out
[04:35:44] <SWPadnos> a forklift would have been better, but the tow truck worked
[04:36:18] <SWPadnos> I can move it around in the garage by using a crowbar as a lever. slow but it works
[04:36:34] <SWPadnos> much harder to do that with medium-sized machines that are in the 8000 pound range
[04:37:55] <Turtl3boi> i need to find out if something like a tormach 770 can do the same work as a bridgeport
[04:38:11] <Turtl3boi> i get the sense that a bridge port's heaviness doesn't necessarily translate into being able to machine bigger pieces
[04:38:12] <SWPadnos> dunno about the 770. the PCNC 1100 is pretty close though
[04:38:20] <Turtl3boi> it's just an old design that doesn't need to be so heavy most likely
[04:38:28] <Turtl3boi> it's from the days when cast iron was the norm
[04:38:46] <SWPadnos> cast iron is nice and stiff
[04:39:35] <SWPadnos> it's more because it has its own pedestal, and the knee gives you the ability to machine a much larger part
[04:39:52] <SWPadnos> look up work envelopes and maximum workpiece sizes
[04:39:57] <Valen> cast iron suppresses vibration much better than steel
[04:40:06] <Turtl3boi> what's a knee?
[04:40:10] <SWPadnos> the BP can hold a 1000 pound workpiece
[04:40:16] <Valen> thing on your leg
[04:40:16] <SWPadnos> google for knee mill
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[04:43:56] <Turtl3boi> a knee mill is one where you can lower and raise the "saddle
[04:44:03] <Turtl3boi> oh i didn't know that
[04:44:09] <Turtl3boi> that's pretty dope actually
[04:44:55] <Turtl3boi> yeah i can see how that feature allows larger workpieces
[04:46:14] <SWPadnos> you can't mill any more volume at a time, but you could mill the top 5 inches of a 12 inch tall thing
[04:46:26] <Turtl3boi> that is handy actually
[04:46:30] <SWPadnos> whereas mills like the Tormach don't have that extra space
[04:46:49] <Turtl3boi> all the guys at my old machine shop swore by the bridgeports
[04:46:50] <SWPadnos> even though they technically have a larger work area (like 6 inches vertical)
[04:47:04] <SWPadnos> they're reliable old machines
[04:47:24] <SWPadnos> unless they're worn out, which can happen in 30-70 years of use
[04:47:33] <Turtl3boi> how old are they? are they not making them anymore?
[04:47:50] <Turtl3boi> (i have also heard of bridgeport clones being decent)
[04:48:22] <SWPadnos> I think they may have stopped making them in the last couple of years
[04:48:30] <SWPadnos> they started in something like 1928
[04:48:36] <SWPadnos> or maybe earlier, I don't remember
[04:49:09] <SWPadnos> ah, 1938
[04:49:41] <SWPadnos> heh. and they still make a manual machine that looks remarkably like mine
[04:49:49] <Turtl3boi> sweet
[04:50:01] <SWPadnos> http://www.kneemills.com/
[04:50:04] <Turtl3boi> i didn't cast iron had better vibration dampening properties
[04:50:07] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Still on Tokyo time, huh?
[04:50:16] <SWPadnos> hmmm. maybe a little
[04:50:21] <Jymmm> =)
[04:50:23] <Turtl3boi> do you have the Series 1?
[04:50:36] <SWPadnos> my flight tomorrow is in the evening, so I can stay up late tonight :)
[04:50:38] <SWPadnos> yes
[04:51:02] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: up to 10,000,000 miles yet?
[04:51:07] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:51:14] <SWPadnos> haven't even flown 1 million yet
[04:51:23] <SWPadnos> (around 700k or so, I think)
[04:51:29] <Jymmm> this year?
[04:51:36] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:51:44] <SWPadnos> (just) under 100k this year
[04:51:55] <Jymmm> eeeeeesh
[04:51:58] <SWPadnos> I may get to 130K or so, if I go to Manila
[04:52:02] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: pat down or scanner?
[04:52:08] <SWPadnos> depends on the agent
[04:52:17] <Jymmm> male
[04:52:21] <SWPadnos> scanner
[04:52:21] <Turtl3boi> what do you do Padnos?
[04:52:39] <SWPadnos> I'm a programmer/EE, consultant
[04:52:48] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: and fugly female?
[04:52:52] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: http://www.bt.cdc.gov/socialmedia/zombies_blog.asp
[04:52:53] <SWPadnos> scanner
[04:53:17] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Yes, that's CDC.GOV on zombies!
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[04:55:48] <Turtl3boi> Padnos! I wanna be your protege
[04:56:14] <SWPadnos> I'd prefer an RX-8
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[04:59:53] <peters-tx3> hello there
[05:00:50] <peters-tx3> Faq I'm sure--I have Lucid installed and am trying to run the emc2-install.sh, but there's no files at the location it points to
[05:02:07] <peters-tx3> It seems to point to http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2, which has no packages in it
[05:19:23] <Turtl3boi> so peters-tx3
[05:19:29] <Turtl3boi> which mill do you have right now?
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[05:36:18] <peters-tx3> Sorry, I"m just testing 8) No mill at the moment
[05:36:39] <peters-tx3> However my hackerspace is retro-fitting an Emco 50 PC Mill
[05:37:01] <peters-tx3> And I believe we have EMC2 up and running on that; I'd just like to familiarize myself with it here at home
[05:43:55] <Turtl3boi> peters what mill do you want?
[05:44:52] <peters-tx3> ?
[05:46:55] <Turtl3boi> wheres your hackerspace?
[05:48:06] <peters-tx3> Dallas, TX
[05:49:04] <Turtl3boi> what equipments do you have so far?
[05:49:43] <peters-tx3> http://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Portable_CNC_Cart that's part of it
[05:50:20] <peters-tx3> Well it looks like I got the sim running
[05:50:28] <peters-tx3> So I guess uhh
[05:50:32] <peters-tx3> Thanks
[05:51:12] <Turtl3boi> lol CNC cart
[05:51:24] <Turtl3boi> can you machine some parts for me for nominal cost
[05:51:30] <Turtl3boi> so i can get an idea of how EMCO works
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[07:25:29] <Turtl3boi> oh this sucks i just realized bridgeports require 3 phase power
[07:25:33] <Turtl3boi> that's not gonna work
[07:25:44] <Turtl3boi> alright what's the next best thing for a guy who doesn't have 3 phase
[07:33:40] <KimK> Turtl3boi: You can generate 3-phase power from single phase either mechanically (rotary converter) or electronically (VFD or similar, don't forget to derate it per its manual)
[07:34:10] <Turtl3boi> yeah but will my wall socket have enough power output to provide for the bridgeport?
[07:35:04] <KimK> Ha, no, sorry, I didn't know we were talking about wall outlets. I assumed (yeah, yeah) that your garage had some kind of heavy outlet (welder?)
[07:35:43] <Turtl3boi> well yeah i use my mom's dryer outlet for the welder
[07:35:47] <Turtl3boi> 240V
[07:36:04] <Turtl3boi> but i weld small stuff on it and i keep the settings below 80 amps
[07:36:09] <KimK> You can only get about 1.5 HP (give or take) out of a wall outlet. Bridgeports take 2-4 HP (spindle only) depending on head model.
[07:36:15] <Turtl3boi> and it's a real efficient welder to begin with
[07:36:21] <Turtl3boi> holy god
[07:36:38] <Turtl3boi> i better go small and get a boner tormach system
[07:36:48] <Turtl3boi> unless you got any better ideas?
[07:37:33] <KimK> OK, a welder is a good start. Probably your 240V dryer outlet is 30 amps? maybe 40-50?
[07:38:22] <Turtl3boi> 25 amps
[07:38:26] <Turtl3boi> i've never tripped the breaker so far
[07:38:40] <Turtl3boi> my welder is just a 175 amp model i think
[07:38:49] <KimK> You can tell either by the rating on the breaker/fuse or by the arrangement and shape of the blades on the dryer plug/socket.
[07:39:01] <KimK> Ah, OK.
[07:39:15] <Turtl3boi> and i never use it at full capacity
[07:39:21] <Turtl3boi> it's a typical 2x 120V
[07:39:37] <Turtl3boi> where the 120V can handle 15A
[07:39:42] <Turtl3boi> so it's like 2 of those basically
[07:39:57] <Turtl3boi> i could probably have the breaker replaced to be 30-40 amps
[07:40:36] <Turtl3boi> KimK, just guide me to get a machine that I can do some decent aluminum work with
[07:40:45] <Turtl3boi> i just want to make radio control airplane parts
[07:40:48] <Turtl3boi> a few molds out of it
[07:41:04] <Turtl3boi> and other minor projects where it's mostly small and aluminum
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[07:42:15] <KimK> Well, 25A * 240V = 6000W, and 6000W / 750WperHP* = 8 HP (* approximate)
[07:42:49] <KimK> So you've got a good possibility of running up to a 4HP spindle.
[07:43:02] <Turtl3boi> yeah but that's pushing it you know
[07:43:06] <Turtl3boi> given inefficiencies in the converter
[07:43:34] <Turtl3boi> it might actually work but first i'd like to meet someone that actually has done a bridgeport residential install
[07:43:45] <Turtl3boi> so why don't you give me some other ideas for smaller mills
[07:43:52] <Turtl3boi> any recommendations would be great
[07:44:36] <KimK> Yes, you'll have to go through all the numbers much more carefully than I did just now. But most Bridgeports have the 2HP motor (was it the J head? I forgot)
[07:46:09] <KimK> Most manual Bridgeports will need a ballscrew conversion to run CNC though, and that's a lot of extra money. Maybe a smaller mill (tabletop or benchtop) that already has ballscrews?
[07:47:08] <KimK> Sorry, I'm not the guy to ask about smaller mills, I don't often come across the tabletop and benchtop sized ones.
[07:47:25] <Turtl3boi> darn
[07:47:43] <Turtl3boi> that Tormach is looking like a better deal
[07:48:01] <KimK> Check the CNCzone, maybe their forums can help?
[07:49:46] <Turtl3boi> yeah i see all these different ones
[07:49:51] <Turtl3boi> it's a lot to sort through
[07:49:55] <Turtl3boi> so many different opinions
[07:52:06] <Turtl3boi> where do you live Kim K?
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[07:56:25] <archivist> Turtl3boi, industrial mill can be better than hobby mill as a starting point for a conversion because they are generally well built, but expect wear for an old one if it has had a lot of use
[07:56:48] <Turtl3boi> i get the sense that most of the mills for sale are heavily used ones
[07:57:05] <Turtl3boi> anyone in the california southern area willing to help me get a used mill?
[07:57:33] <KimK> Central US, currently in Kansas
[07:58:35] <Turtl3boi> can you give me a quick tutorial if i come out there?
[08:00:07] <Turtl3boi> ok that's askin too much haha
[08:01:46] <KimK> I'm sure if you look around you can find an EMC user near you. They tell me that the main page (LinuxCNC.org) has a mapping function for user locations, but I confess I've never signed up.
[08:02:07] <archivist> is there any evening classes for model engineering near you
[08:02:09] <Turtl3boi> thanks Mr. K
[08:02:23] <Turtl3boi> there is for welding
[08:02:27] <Turtl3boi> but not for machining
[08:02:48] <archivist> also look for a model engineering club
[08:03:23] <Turtl3boi> never heard of that tbh
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[08:04:07] <Turtl3boi> ahh it's like a machinist's club
[08:04:17] <archivist> yes
[08:04:21] <KimK> There are a lot of videos on YouTube that are helpful. And maybe your local library has a copy of the ancient and venerable "Machinery's Handbook"? (It's actually updated fairly often)
[08:04:50] <archivist> I have the 13th ed :)
[08:05:32] <KimK> Is it bound in leather, with brass hinges? No. maybe that was the 12th.
[08:06:41] <archivist> normal thin boards
[08:07:11] <KimK> I was just pulling your leg
[08:07:44] <Turtl3boi> alright well i gotta run off
[08:07:48] <Turtl3boi> so thanks for all the help
[08:07:56] <Turtl3boi> because now i know what to look for locally
[08:08:28] <archivist> KimK, it is ancient!
[08:08:40] <KimK> Sure, come back anytime with more questions.
[08:09:25] <Turtl3boi> thanks mr. K
[08:10:46] <KimK> archivist: Thanks for helping out. Good suggestions.
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[08:11:26] <Turtl3boi> i have a feeling this gets expensive
[08:11:37] <Turtl3boi> beyond the machine i need a good vice and a slew of bits
[08:11:41] <Turtl3boi> cutters*
[08:12:08] <archivist> depends on definition of expensive, you can build your own machine from scratch
[08:12:16] <Turtl3boi> is that waht you did?
[08:12:31] <Turtl3boi> keep in mind that's hard for me because i don't already have a machine to help me out lol
[08:13:53] <archivist> my 5 axis mill is made from other machine tool parts, mostly used a drill and tap wrench, some parts were made on a lathe
[08:14:25] <KimK> Ha, yes, there's always something to spend money on, lol. You might take a look at http://www.mscdirect.com/ , they're a seller of (new) machining supplies, tools, and some machines (manual and CNC). They have monthly(?) sale catalogs with (sometimes) reduced prices.
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[08:17:25] <KimK> There's also HGR http://www.hgrinc.com/ , a vendor of used machinery and leftover doodads of all kinds.
[08:18:09] <archivist> my mill spindle head was a lathe headstock
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[08:19:24] <Turtl3boi> thanks again, g'nite
[08:19:25] <KimK> Turtl3boi: Oops, I didn't notice your brief absence, allow me to repeat:
[08:19:28] <KimK> There's also HGR http://www.hgrinc.com/ , a vendor of used machinery and leftover doodads of all kinds.
[08:19:39] <Turtl3boi> yeah my comp disconnected for some reason
[08:20:11] <Turtl3boi> yea i'd imagine shipping is enormous for things like used mills though
[08:20:19] <KimK> OK, goodnight, it's time for me to quit too. Come back anytime. Thanks again archivist!
[08:20:35] <Turtl3boi> sweet thanks!
[08:20:38] <Turtl3boi> later guys
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[10:36:20] <cnc-9-Achsen> hy all error while deporting the maschine config from one pc to an other
[10:36:43] <cnc-9-Achsen> libnml/buffer/physmem.cc 143: PHYSMEM_HANDLE: Can't write 10748 bytes at offset 60 from buffer of size 10208.
[10:36:45] <cnc-9-Achsen> libnml/cms/cms_in.cc 1383: CMS:(emcStatus) Error writing 10748 bytes to global memory at offset 87A9CB8
[10:36:46] <cnc-9-Achsen> (See libnml/cms/cms_in.cc line 1386.)
[10:37:23] <cnc-9-Achsen> someone can help me ?
[10:37:36] <cnc-9-Achsen> cradek: ?
[10:37:46] <jthornton> did you upgrade EMC
[10:38:06] <cnc-9-Achsen> the old PC has Hardy on it
[10:38:28] <cnc-9-Achsen> the new one is on a fresh livecd install
[10:38:33] <jthornton> like did you go from 2.3 to 2.4?
[10:39:28] <cnc-9-Achsen> the new is on 2.4.3 the old i dont now its not here
[10:39:32] <jthornton> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING
[10:40:09] <jthornton> 1.1
[10:41:14] <cnc-9-Achsen> ok i think best is to setup the mashine totaly new
[10:41:37] <jthornton> just follow the instructions in 1.1 and I bet it works
[10:41:38] <cnc-9-Achsen> stepgen shoudt not be the best way
[10:44:46] <cnc-9-Achsen> jthornton: Done
[10:44:52] <cnc-9-Achsen> 1.1 did it
[10:45:18] <cnc-9-Achsen> but isent it better to configure the mashine new on the new system to get all performance
[10:45:56] <jthornton> is the machine new too or just the pc?
[10:46:12] <cnc-9-Achsen> just the PC
[10:46:49] <cnc-9-Achsen> so no need
[10:47:08] <jthornton> unless you just want the practice in creating a config I can't see any advantage
[10:47:56] <jthornton> unless your latency is better then you might be able to improve acceleration
[10:48:15] <jthornton> you did run a latency test on the new computer?
[10:48:33] <cnc-9-Achsen> yes 8500
[10:48:41] <jthornton> nice
[10:48:58] <jthornton> you using the parallel port for step/direction?
[10:49:00] <cnc-9-Achsen> but no need as trey where used for Education only
[10:49:18] <jthornton> ok
[10:49:36] <cnc-9-Achsen> jthornton: yes i shoudt change my nick i IchGucksLive on the home pc
[10:49:48] <jthornton> hi
[10:49:56] <cnc-9-Achsen> i run at max 600mm/min
[10:50:45] <cnc-9-Achsen> i got 25 IBM PC Desktop for educatio and now changing the hole system
[10:51:16] <cnc-9-Achsen> 12 selfmade miniRouters
[10:51:30] <cnc-9-Achsen> 150x150x60mm
[10:52:00] <cnc-9-Achsen> but 18 Students so 6 more to build
[10:52:18] <jthornton> make the students build them
[10:52:42] <cnc-9-Achsen> they did in the 3rd Grade
[10:53:18] <cnc-9-Achsen> but building needs the real Minimill and this is not inside the production circle
[10:53:45] <cnc-9-Achsen> they run 3 Shifts with 4th option
[10:54:03] <cnc-9-Achsen> ok thanks
[10:54:16] <jthornton> np
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[15:46:11] <JT-Shop> it just turned into a good day to take a nap while it rains
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[15:47:03] <Tom_itx> send the rain this way pls
[15:48:13] <JT-Shop> looks like you have some on the way from the midwest
[15:48:35] <Tom_itx> i hope so. it never seems to quite get here
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[15:49:54] <JT-Shop> well no digging in the dirt today now... so off to other adventures
[15:50:12] <Tom_itx> what are you diggin for?
[15:50:13] <Tom_itx> gold?
[15:50:26] <Tom_itx> i think that's further west
[15:50:52] <JT-Shop> just rearranging a bit... too high here, too low there you know
[15:51:44] <Tom_itx> not so much :) it's pretty darn flat here
[15:52:19] <JT-Shop> 10 miles south of me is flat as a pancake
[15:53:03] <jdhNC> 10 miles from me is 3-5ft and choppy
[16:09:40] <Jymmm> jdhNC: What, you live on the ocean?
[16:10:36] <jdhNC> nah, a half mile or so from it.
[16:11:11] <Jymmm> jdhNC: ah, I thought you were giving the surf report there for a moment.
[16:11:33] <Jymmm> "swells 3-5ft and choppy...."
[16:12:10] <jdhNC> exactly
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[17:00:51] <Danimal_garage> hi
[17:01:15] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i picked up a couple chillers from the surplus yard for dirt cheap, not sure if they work though
[17:12:37] <Danimal_garage> hey it works!
[17:12:40] <Danimal_garage> sweet!
[17:12:56] <Danimal_garage> it goes to -100c
[17:13:48] <Danimal_garage> holy shit these are awesome!
[17:13:58] <Danimal_garage> haha score!
[17:14:05] <JT-Shop> wow!
[17:14:26] <JT-Shop> now you can anodize 24-7
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[17:16:42] <Danimal_garage> yea
[17:16:49] <Danimal_garage> i got 2 of them for $60
[17:17:10] <Danimal_garage> i think i got a deal lol
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[17:17:54] <Danimal_garage> http://www.geminibv.nl/labware/neslab-cryocool-cc-100-ii-immersion-cooler-1?set_language=en
[17:17:59] <Danimal_garage> it's that one
[17:18:42] <Danimal_garage> wow i can sell the other one for some decent $$$
[17:19:50] <jdhNC> you have a much cooler surplus place than here.
[17:21:01] <Danimal_garage> i've gotten some good deals there
[17:21:38] <Danimal_garage> the guy thought they didn't work, but i figured he didn't connect a temp sensor. once i jumpered that, it works awesome
[17:22:04] <Danimal_garage> so i'm going to wire up a thermal switch to turn it on and off at a certain temp
[17:22:37] <Danimal_garage> i wonder what the emersion thing is made of
[17:22:48] <Danimal_garage> i don't think i'd be lucky enough for it to be ti
[17:22:58] <Danimal_garage> looks stainless maybe
[17:23:39] <Danimal_garage> i can make a titanium tube for it to sit inside i guess
[17:24:03] <Danimal_garage> even if it loses a little efficiency, i think it'll still be overkill
[17:33:03] <Danimal_garage> looks like they both work
[17:33:55] <Tom_itx> i take it you gotta cool the solution or it won't work right?
[17:34:48] <Tom_itx> what do you use to mask what you don't want annodized?
[17:34:52] <Tom_itx> tape>
[17:34:54] <Tom_itx> ?
[17:36:10] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: nice deal!
[17:38:25] <Danimal_garage> i don't mask
[17:38:43] <Tom_itx> not even the bores?
[17:38:46] <Danimal_garage> one of these is going on craigslist today :)
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[17:39:03] <Tom_itx> maybe you need a spare
[17:39:07] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: it only grows .0005" max, no point
[17:39:52] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: no sense in sitting on it for a what-if
[17:40:02] <Tom_itx> i should send you my probe and have it done
[17:40:03] <Tom_itx> :)
[17:40:23] <Danimal_garage> i could invest that money into my shop and make way more than i'd save by keeping it
[17:40:29] <WalterN> what grows?
[17:40:37] <Tom_itx> the material
[17:40:39] <Danimal_garage> aluminum when anodized
[17:40:43] <Tom_itx> when you annodize
[17:40:45] <WalterN> oh yeah
[17:40:48] <WalterN> its not much
[17:41:04] <WalterN> though, type III (hard) anodize is a bit more
[17:41:14] <Tom_itx> that's clear isn't it?
[17:41:17] <WalterN> no
[17:41:20] <Tom_itx> like for cheap pistons etc
[17:41:21] <Danimal_garage> black or clear
[17:42:09] <A2Sheds> hmmm "Never operate CryoCool unit above -25C"
[17:42:12] <WalterN> it could be any color, the only thing thats different is the acid bath is more temp controlled and its anodized longer
[17:42:13] <Danimal_garage> hmmm i wonder if these chillers could keep the tank cold enough for class 3
[17:42:31] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: i saw that
[17:42:42] <Danimal_garage> it can't be any color
[17:42:52] <WalterN> why not?
[17:43:01] <Danimal_garage> because of the pore density
[17:43:07] <Danimal_garage> it doesn't take color well
[17:43:18] <Danimal_garage> they only do black or clear, or snot green
[17:43:48] <Danimal_garage> trust me, i'm a doctor
[17:43:57] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[17:44:21] <WalterN> thats kinda weird, because in every case its just a particle of a certain size
[17:44:57] <A2Sheds> solvent dye works much better for type-III, but everybody uses old school water dye bath
[17:45:10] <WalterN> its not like black is smaller particles than any other color
[17:45:46] <A2Sheds> you need colorants smaller than the pore ID
[17:45:50] <Danimal_garage> well i didn't write the book
[17:46:02] <A2Sheds> and you also need enough colorant in the pores
[17:46:03] <Danimal_garage> all i'm telling you is general fact
[17:46:44] <Danimal_garage> i've never done class III, but i've had it done quite a bit, and i researched it for my own products
[17:46:57] <Danimal_garage> i do class II myself
[17:47:02] <WalterN> oh nice
[17:47:04] <A2Sheds> when you seal water based dye you also lose some dye from the pores before they swell and seal
[17:47:17] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: not if you do it right
[17:47:40] <Danimal_garage> you want your dye warm enough to lock the color in
[17:47:40] <A2Sheds> not enough to notice if you do it right
[17:47:48] <Danimal_garage> yea i guess
[17:47:59] <A2Sheds> solvent dye works much better
[17:48:05] <Danimal_garage> if the dye is about 140f, you barely ever have any leeching
[17:49:42] <Danimal_garage> from my expernece anyways
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[17:50:02] <Danimal_garage> also, if you keep your anno tank cooler, the pore size is smaller, so it traps the color a little better
[17:50:19] <Danimal_garage> can't go too cold or you'll have really light coloring though
[17:50:40] <Danimal_garage> mid 60's f is about good
[17:51:03] <Danimal_garage> black is a bitch if it's too cold, you get what they call winter gray
[17:51:58] <JT-Shop> neat stuff
[17:52:10] <A2Sheds> http://www.mpi-halle.mpg.de/department2/fileadmin/user_upload/Research_Projects/Ordered_porous_Materials/Porous_Alumina/b_Fig_1a.jpg
[17:52:47] <A2Sheds> you can see the difference in the pores sizes between type II and type III
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[17:56:15] <Turtl3boi> sup guys
[17:56:35] <Turtl3boi> what's the best "mini mill" i can get?
[17:56:42] <alex4nder> best?
[17:56:55] <alex4nder> it depends on what you're optimizing for.
[17:57:15] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: Ease of use, precision, speed?
[17:57:24] <JT-Shop> well the VMC and the CHNC have been separated at the hip and no longer have a symbiotic relationship with the VMC wired to Linus
[17:57:32] <WalterN> the best is if you build it yourself so you get exactly what you want
[17:57:50] <Turtl3boi> ahh ok so dumb question
[17:57:58] <alex4nder> I bought a taig.
[17:58:10] <JT-Shop> what have you considered so far?
[17:58:18] <Turtl3boi> has anyone heard of this german-made BF20?
[17:58:26] <Turtl3boi> (i have heard of the Taig)
[17:58:44] <alex4nder> I'm pretty happy with it,.. I've made enough mistakes so far with it that I'm happy it's easy to fix/buy new parts/replace pieces..
[17:59:04] <alex4nder> being a noob myself.
[17:59:12] <Loetmichel> Turtl3boi: GERMAN made?
[17:59:13] <FinboySlick> BF20 sounds familiar to me.
[17:59:13] <Turtl3boi> awesome
[17:59:32] <Loetmichel> ANY bf20 i have seen has originated in the same Foundry in china
[17:59:42] <Turtl3boi> http://www.optimum-machines.com/products/milling-machines/bf-20-vario/index.html
[17:59:51] <Turtl3boi> oh so they're all chinese made haha
[17:59:54] <Loetmichel> just the pricetag and the amount of sand in the castings are variable
[18:00:01] <Turtl3boi> which is not necessarily a bad thing
[18:00:09] <syyl_> not even the same foundries
[18:00:09] <JT-Shop> interesting thread http://cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/48696-sieg_x3_vs_bf20_mill.html#post379695
[18:00:42] <jdhNC> g0704.com has links to all the bf20 clones
[18:00:50] <syyl_> on a few tradeshows i saw a couple of different versions of bf20-like machines
[18:00:57] <syyl_> all differed in little details
[18:01:16] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: where do you live?
[18:01:48] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: If you want to go exclusively CNC, you probably should avoid 'sleeve' models.
[18:02:04] <Turtl3boi> san diego county area
[18:02:18] <syyl_> sleeve models?
[18:02:32] <FinboySlick> the drill-press thing.
[18:02:34] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i got my 150quart "anno tank"
[18:02:42] <Turtl3boi> i'm not sure what i want
[18:02:48] <Danimal_garage> only thing i'm waiting on now is the lead for the cathodes
[18:02:54] <FinboySlick> That called a quill?
[18:02:57] <Turtl3boi> i'd imagine if you don't know what you're doing with CNC you can destroy a few expensive bits in t he process
[18:03:00] <syyl_> ah, a quill
[18:03:08] <syyl_> a quill is great to have on a cnc!
[18:03:22] <syyl_> realy!
[18:03:28] <FinboySlick> It's an extra moving part!
[18:03:31] <Danimal_garage> Turtl3boi: you're in SD?
[18:03:41] <Danimal_garage> im in escondido
[18:03:53] <Turtl3boi> holy crap help me out man
[18:04:00] <Turtl3boi> i live in the chula vista area
[18:04:06] <syyl_> but it makes live so easy, when you have to do drilling, tapping, counter sinking, etc
[18:04:35] <Danimal_garage> Turtl3boi: check craigslist, i see stuff on there all the time in our area
[18:04:49] <FinboySlick> syyl_: Good point.
[18:05:00] <jdhNC> I assume you generally just lock the quill up when in normal CNC use?
[18:05:06] <syyl_> jep
[18:05:24] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: is your geode board working with EMC yet?
[18:06:15] <Turtl3boi> ahh ok i saw a few bridgeports on craigslist
[18:06:19] <syyl_> our deckel cnc has a quill and i wouldnt miss it
[18:06:27] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: I'm *this* close... Trouble with the emc2 makefile and I can't seem to find where I need to patch.
[18:06:56] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: It omits a -lintl on a couple linker calls.
[18:07:09] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: And uClibc disagrees.
[18:08:36] <FinboySlick> Odd thing is that the ./configure script noticed that it needs the -lintl, but it seems the makefiles don't care.
[18:08:54] * FinboySlick is very bad with autotools.
[18:12:24] <Turtl3boi> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/tls/2668283763.html <---is this one any good
[18:14:14] <A2Sheds> I come across Bridgeports for <$1K, $600 for that 'toy' is a bit much IMHO
[18:14:50] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: They're fairly popular though, I think it's a Syil S3
[18:14:58] <FinboySlick> Or S2
[18:15:00] <Turtl3boi> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/nsd/tls/2668451991.html <---cool it's a bridgeport that uses single phase
[18:15:14] <Danimal_garage> i got my b-port for 1k, but small machines have a bit of a demand so they get more
[18:15:22] <A2Sheds> yikes $3850
[18:15:27] <Turtl3boi> yeah lol
[18:15:46] <Danimal_garage> yea, they all can use singlephase for a small investment
[18:15:47] <Turtl3boi> i can't believe you got a b-port for $1k....never seen that before
[18:15:59] <Danimal_garage> then you haven't looked lol
[18:16:10] <Danimal_garage> i've seen some go for $600
[18:16:15] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: I think a bridgeport sort of fails your 'benchtop' criteria though.
[18:16:17] <syyl> even here in germany you can get a bridgeport for about 1000eur
[18:16:19] <Turtl3boi> do you get it local or did you get it at an auction?
[18:16:19] <Danimal_garage> a customer of mine got one for that
[18:16:23] <A2Sheds> my last one was only $900 on ebay
[18:16:24] <FinboySlick> Unless you have a fairly big bench ;)
[18:16:30] <syyl> on ebay
[18:16:30] <Danimal_garage> local
[18:16:46] <Turtl3boi> my mom's garage?
[18:16:48] <Danimal_garage> if you're paying more than 2k for a decent one, you're getting raped
[18:17:08] <syyl> hr
[18:17:12] <Danimal_garage> 3500 should get you a completely rebuilt/scraped one
[18:17:54] <Danimal_garage> people may ask more, but they're just fishing. they won't get it
[18:17:58] <Turtl3boi> i have a feeling a benchtop mill will be nothing compared to a bridgeport
[18:17:58] <A2Sheds> I picked up a Cincinnati copy for $1K in great shape
[18:18:21] <Danimal_garage> Turtl3boi: you're right
[18:18:44] <Danimal_garage> every area is different, but here in SD, things are cheap
[18:18:45] <Jymmm> bench mill is a BP chewtoy
[18:19:05] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: i got some pictures of that laser at the surplus yard
[18:19:06] <syyl> and the BP is a gloryfied drillpress ;)
[18:19:09] <syyl> *runs away*
[18:19:10] <Danimal_garage> i'll upload them later
[18:19:23] <alex4nder> syyl: haha what would you get instead?
[18:19:25] <A2Sheds> syll: yes
[18:19:40] <syyl> its a joke!
[18:19:41] <Turtl3boi> a mill has always been a glorified drill press
[18:19:47] <syyl> the bridgeport is a great machine
[18:20:03] <syyl> but as a german, i prefer deckel ;)
[18:20:20] <Danimal_garage> it's 115v, 15a
[18:20:47] <Danimal_garage> syyl: my Shizuoka dwarfs almost every knee mill :)
[18:20:48] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: the next step for me after my taig is going to probably be a bridgeport
[18:21:03] <jdhNC> is there anything like anodizing you can to to tool steel?
[18:21:13] <FinboySlick> While we're shopping. Any suggestions on a small-ish CNC lathe?
[18:21:16] <Jymmm> duct tape
[18:21:25] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: have you done much milling so far?
[18:22:08] <WalterN> omni-turn is a smallish CNC lathe
[18:22:13] <Danimal_garage> black oxide
[18:22:14] <WalterN> though I would not get one
[18:22:16] <Danimal_garage> for steel
[18:23:35] <A2Sheds> come to think of it, I come across fully working mazak's for $4k
[18:23:58] <syyl> weiler made a great small cnc lathe..
[18:24:03] <syyl> schaublin too
[18:24:35] <FinboySlick> WalterN: Still too big.
[18:24:41] <syyl> sometimes you can get em with defect cnc controller for little money
[18:25:00] <syyl> something like that
[18:25:00] <syyl> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f26/21092d1268655013-new-weiler-toy-cnc-dm-007.jpg
[18:25:10] <WalterN> FinboySlick: heh, well, I wouldent get anything smaller, so w/e
[18:25:17] <A2Sheds> broken mazak's around here usually get sold for scrap
[18:25:28] <FinboySlick> WalterN: I need a bigger house :P
[18:25:34] <FinboySlick> Or a garage, really.
[18:25:39] <WalterN> then do it
[18:25:54] <A2Sheds> just move into a warehouse
[18:26:26] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: I have to take the cold canadian winter into consideration. Space is expensive to heat.
[18:27:09] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: get some insulation ;-)
[18:27:17] <FinboySlick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ic3xNfEP_o <-- Canada
[18:27:42] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: That's part of the expensive bit ;)
[18:28:05] <Turtl3boi> who is weiler and schaublin? sounds like german company
[18:28:37] <Turtl3boi> alex4nder i have done zero milling. i've worked at a machine shop and watched a few guys tho
[18:29:38] <syyl> schaublin is swiss
[18:29:56] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: Well, get a sleeve caught in a bridgeport spindle and it'll teach you all the respect you need to learn about using a mill ;)
[18:30:06] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: is it? some rockwool, some 2by4, some plywood... how expensive can it be?
[18:30:43] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: BTDTGT(n)TS ;-)
[18:31:05] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: This is *canada* man... Wood freezes hard and shatters around september.
[18:31:28] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: I found out when I started milling that the mill was only one part of the expense of machining.. i need a bunch of new tools
[18:31:29] <FinboySlick> We build out of seel fat.
[18:31:33] <FinboySlick> seal I mean ;)
[18:32:02] <FinboySlick> That CN tower? All seal...
[18:32:09] <Danimal_garage> i never get why people live in those climates lol
[18:32:15] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: the wood only to protect the rockwool from falling down ;-)
[18:32:36] <WalterN> living in montana, I kinda know what you mean
[18:32:54] <A2Sheds> heh coming from the guy that lives in the city with near perfect weather year around
[18:33:26] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: i grew up in thenorth east
[18:33:36] <Danimal_garage> i got the hell out
[18:33:49] <Loetmichel> most raining days in whol europe.
[18:33:49] <alex4nder> hah, I grew up in Santa Barbara. I have no idea what weather is.
[18:33:52] <Loetmichel> whole
[18:34:07] <Turtl3boi> so alex4nder do you still recommend the Taig
[18:34:08] <Loetmichel> not AS cold, but wet ;-)
[18:34:21] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: I don't blame you.... was on my list as well
[18:34:28] <WalterN> cant be as wet as oregon coast
[18:34:29] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: yes and no.. I definitely want to go bigger.. but I'm glad I started smaller.
[18:34:36] <Loetmichel> and we had or winters with 20cm snow ... each day... for 2 weeks
[18:34:43] <Loetmichel> our
[18:35:00] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: but I'm pretty sure I'm happy I didn't go Chinese.
[18:35:07] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: I went moderately big to start myself and I'm still trying to get over it.
[18:35:19] <FinboySlick> Nowhere near as big as a bridgeport though.
[18:35:28] <WalterN> over one year, the oregon coast will get something like 120" of rain
[18:35:37] <WalterN> 180" on a good year
[18:35:57] <A2Sheds> LoetMichel: are you in the Alps?
[18:35:58] <Danimal_garage> i started small too, my first mill was a bridgeport :)
[18:36:02] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: I have my taig bolted to some granite blocks, and I can still lift the whole thing myself and move it to another table.
[18:36:06] <Turtl3boi> Taig is not chinese made?
[18:36:19] <alex4nder> some of the included accessories are chinese, but the mill itself is US made.
[18:36:29] <Loetmichel> WalterN: my ex-company had visitors from london... looking outside they asked "is it raining ervery time like this over here?" My boss: "rain? what rain? thats merely high air moisture"
[18:36:41] <WalterN> heh
[18:36:42] <alex4nder> Loetmichel: haha
[18:36:48] <WalterN> yeah
[18:36:57] <Loetmichel> ... 2 hours later our cellar was 30cm full with the "high moisture"
[18:37:10] <WalterN> here in montana I hear ppl complain about rain sometimes... and its like... huh?
[18:37:18] <alex4nder> where are you in montana?
[18:37:25] <Turtl3boi> i don't like how the Taig has it's belt drive system exposed.
[18:37:28] <WalterN> its only a little sprinkel
[18:37:35] <WalterN> bozeman
[18:37:36] <Turtl3boi> if that thing snaps it'll come flying off into your face
[18:37:44] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: no, in the middle of germany
[18:37:50] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: that belt isn't going to hurt you
[18:37:58] <alex4nder> it's like an overbuilt rubber band
[18:38:10] <alex4nder> WalterN: nice, I like bozeman
[18:38:14] <Turtl3boi> well that also means i can't do low RPM torque cuts
[18:38:20] <alex4nder> ...
[18:38:23] <alex4nder> haha man
[18:38:24] <WalterN> its alright I guess
[18:38:25] <Turtl3boi> or am i wrong
[18:38:26] <alex4nder> don't get ahead of yourself.
[18:38:32] <Turtl3boi> k
[18:39:14] <alex4nder> the taig is not going to be doing major low RPM steel cutting.
[18:39:21] <Loetmichel> alex4nder: even a overbuilt rubber band CAN hurt if its FAST
[18:39:39] <WalterN> CVT transmission :P
[18:39:46] <A2Sheds> Loetmichel: your area is one I've never been to in Germany, between Frankfurt and France
[18:39:46] <alex4nder> Loetmichel: the pain is built into the lesson to never do that thing again.
[18:40:17] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds; no i live about 6 miles from frankfurt
[18:40:22] <alex4nder> I'd mostly be worried if you had long hair.
[18:40:37] <Loetmichel> but i was raised near the city whrere knives come from
[18:40:41] <alex4nder> because that exposed belt/pulley will chew you up.
[18:40:47] <A2Sheds> Solingen?
[18:40:48] <Loetmichel> (solingen)
[18:40:54] <Danimal_garage> i saw someone get their sleve wrapped up in a lathe before
[18:40:59] <Danimal_garage> coulda been ugly
[18:40:59] <A2Sheds> oh yeah I have been there!
[18:41:27] <FinboySlick> I had a glove wrapped around a pressdrill once. Lesson totally learned.
[18:41:31] <Loetmichel> in the city which is the "tool heaven" of germany/europe: Remscheid
[18:41:33] <WalterN> I almost got my pants curled up in the thread screw in a lathe
[18:41:52] <Turtl3boi> i'm torn between a bridgeport and a mini mill
[18:41:52] <Loetmichel> there are knipex, gedore, hazet and so on
[18:41:57] <Connor> OMG am I over having to tram the vise if I move it...
[18:42:02] <Turtl3boi> i'm also worried the "other costs" will be really high
[18:42:09] <FinboySlick> I was juuuust fast enough to loosen my hand and slip it off, but not without it nearly yanking out one of my fingers first.
[18:42:11] <Connor> got to be a better way..
[18:42:21] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: I'd budget double what you spent on the mill when everything is said and done.
[18:42:24] <WalterN> oh wow
[18:42:26] <alex4nder> total I mean.
[18:42:58] <A2Sheds> Loetmichel: does Wuppertal still have the elevated train?
[18:43:08] <jdhNC> $1k for a base mill, $1k for conversion, $1k for misc milling stuff
[18:43:21] <Danimal_garage> sounds about right
[18:43:33] <Danimal_garage> maybe more
[18:43:41] <Danimal_garage> if you go with servos
[18:43:47] <Connor> okay, can someone explain how the heck I can scratch up the table on my mill with Aluminum chips?
[18:43:49] <jdhNC> then you need something to make.
[18:43:52] <Danimal_garage> and a few mesa cars, there's 300 alone
[18:44:19] <Turtl3boi> you have a DC servo CNC system Danimal?
[18:44:20] <Connor> I thought tables were hardened
[18:44:27] <alex4nder> Connor: I've scratched my table with brass.
[18:44:33] <FinboySlick> Connor: Look for a 'Made in the UK' plaque on the table ;)
[18:44:33] <Danimal_garage> one ac, and two dc machines
[18:44:39] <Connor> Really?
[18:44:42] <jdhNC> If you start with an X2, you can use it to make parts for your bigger one
[18:44:51] <Danimal_garage> lol jdhNC
[18:45:08] <WalterN> heh
[18:45:13] <Turtl3boi> so i should go buy that syil X2
[18:45:14] <Connor> I didn't think it was possible to surface scratch hard metals with softer ones..
[18:45:39] <jdhNC> no, a $450 HF or grizzly x2
[18:45:51] <WalterN> dont get a grizzly
[18:45:52] <FinboySlick> X2 are great little mills for learning on. Really makes you appreciate all the parts that can go wrong when setting up a cut.
[18:45:54] <Danimal_garage> offer him $400
[18:45:56] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: do you like cleaning and fixing things you just bought?
[18:45:58] <Connor> I'm finding it rather PITA moving my vice around on my table... and having to re-tram it.. etc.
[18:46:06] <Turtl3boi> lol not really
[18:46:11] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: then don't buy an X2
[18:46:17] <jdhNC> heh
[18:46:17] <Danimal_garage> ha
[18:46:23] <Connor> I like my G0704
[18:46:27] <jdhNC> or any chinese mill
[18:46:54] <WalterN> get one of those bandit mills
[18:46:57] <alex4nder> that's another thing going for taig
[18:47:01] <alex4nder> it's "ready to run"
[18:47:14] <jdhNC> and there are lots of aftermarket parts
[18:49:05] <Turtl3boi> yeah after market parts are nice, so are replacement parts
[18:49:26] <Turtl3boi> so alex4nder do you do aluminum alloy machining mostly?
[18:49:30] <WalterN> whats nice is being able to make parts
[18:50:08] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: yah,.. and I'm a noob even at that
[18:50:19] <FinboySlick> Heh, you guys remember that terrible finish pic I sent of my first aluminium cut? I just had a peek at the cutter (been busy), I think the vibration chipped the corner of each flute.
[18:50:28] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: I'm in the process of doing the CNC conversion
[18:50:50] <Turtl3boi> lol for the Taig?
[18:50:54] <alex4nder> hell yah
[18:51:00] <Turtl3boi> the CNC taig looks puny
[18:51:10] <alex4nder> it's the size of a dorm fridge
[18:51:17] <Turtl3boi> that is nice if you live in a dorm
[18:51:35] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: You haven't had to move a Bridgeport yet ;)
[18:51:35] <Turtl3boi> alex4nder let's get together so you can help me buy a mill
[18:51:44] <Turtl3boi> oh......
[18:51:53] <Turtl3boi> yeah it's like 1200 lbs right
[18:52:02] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: it has
[18:52:24] <FinboySlick> Probably more. My little mill was 800 lbps and gave me serious doubts on the purchase.
[18:52:26] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: it comes down to budget, space, and skill.. well and availability.
[18:52:38] <FinboySlick> (considering it has to be house-trained)
[18:52:51] <Loetmichel> [20:40:16] <alex4nder> I'd mostly be worried if you had long hair.
[18:53:07] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: I had enough budget, but limited space, and no skills.
[18:53:15] <Loetmichel> alex4nder: long enough? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2835
[18:53:17] <alex4nder> and I try to buy american when I can.
[18:53:22] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=2812
[18:53:31] <alex4nder> Loetmichel: haha
[18:53:33] <alex4nder> yah
[18:53:34] <Turtl3boi> i try to buy american too, except cars
[18:53:35] <Loetmichel> agreed, this photos are over 10 years old ;-)
[18:53:35] <alex4nder> danger zone
[18:54:02] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: so if you buy american, and you want small.. you've got like sherline, taig, or you go the CNC router direction.
[18:54:21] <Loetmichel> and no, NEVER got caught in the mill/lathe/drill
[18:54:31] <Turtl3boi> well i do plan to do some PCB routing....but i figured a small CNC mill could do that anyways no problem
[18:54:53] <alex4nder> with PCB routing you've got to watch your runout,.. some spindles are better than others.
[18:54:59] <alex4nder> and of course speed
[18:55:06] <Turtl3boi> yeah you need the high RPMs right?
[18:55:12] <Loetmichel> ... but used the tip of the usual pigtail to clean parts from debris ;-)
[18:55:17] <alex4nder> Loetmichel: haha
[18:55:57] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: yah typically.. the taig maxes at "10000 RPM" but I've never run mine that fast, or checked that's the actual speed.
[18:56:19] <Loetmichel> Turtl3boi: isolation milling can be done on the smallest of mills. on the big ones also but i would suggest a hi rpm drim mounted near the main spindle then
[18:56:33] <Turtl3boi> i bet the taig can do nice PCB work. i bet i make make 0.5mm traces with it
[18:56:34] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=804
[18:56:39] <Loetmichel> made on this machine:
[18:56:54] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12304
[18:57:05] <alex4nder> cool
[18:57:12] -!- micges has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat]
[18:57:14] <A2Sheds> http://robosavvy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=32542 check out the video, the robot rides a bike
[18:57:14] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12180 <- better look
[18:57:59] <jdhNC> I have one of those kb's, they suck
[18:58:00] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: http://slo.craigslist.org/tls/2639743352.html <- here's a taig for sale near me.. you can find them for this price pretty easily
[18:58:18] <Loetmichel> jdhNC: for typing: yeah
[18:58:35] <Loetmichel> for hot swarf and/or cooling liquid: great ;-)
[19:00:03] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: That's a lovely little thing.
[19:00:14] <FinboySlick> I very badly need to enclose mine too.
[19:01:18] <A2Sheds> is that a 3.5" floppy drive in the controller!?
[19:01:48] <Turtl3boi> loetmichel what's that lil router for?
[19:02:11] <Turtl3boi> oh loetmichel you do PCBs? which router is that? is it Nokia?
[19:02:30] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: especially 'cause its made from stock amuminium plate, some ball bearings and a lot of work ;-)
[19:02:43] <Loetmichel> Turtl3boi: no, made it from scratch ;-)
[19:02:56] <Turtl3boi> slick
[19:03:41] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: no, a 3.5" drive and a slim dvd burner
[19:03:47] <Turtl3boi> what's the finest separation between traces you can achieve?
[19:03:53] <Loetmichel> 0,1mm
[19:04:16] <Turtl3boi> wow that's pretty good
[19:04:23] <Loetmichel> with my "handsanded" v bits
[19:04:23] <Turtl3boi> 100 microns is not bad
[19:04:58] <Loetmichel> the machine itself can work to about 2/100 mm
[19:05:12] <Turtl3boi> oh so the bit is the limitation for you
[19:05:22] <Loetmichel> bu my v bits re not better
[19:05:46] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8961
[19:05:50] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=8958
[19:05:51] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: Do you have a larger mill that you built it on?
[19:06:10] <Loetmichel> ok for selfmade, but not so great if you want REAL fine bits ;-)
[19:06:19] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: yes, i HAD
[19:06:27] <Loetmichel> worked at a company
[19:06:32] <Turtl3boi> please Loetmichel teach me how to make a identical machine for PCB routing
[19:06:56] <MattyMatt> has anyone got emc2 running on an ARM yet?
[19:07:00] <Loetmichel> but one CAN build a mill with little more than a battery drill and some rulers.
[19:07:01] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: Hehehe, you might need to learn a few things before you get to that part.
[19:07:10] <Loetmichel> did it with THIS one:
[19:07:19] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=4935
[19:07:44] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: If you want to invest an enormous 30 bucks: http://www.instructables.com/id/Easy-to-Build-Desk-Top-3-Axis-CNC-Milling-Machine/
[19:07:57] <Loetmichel> was a little bit more expensive, but can move 1500*1020*160mm ;-)
[19:08:22] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: OUCH
[19:08:57] <FinboySlick> Loetmichel: It's actually pretty impressive considering
[19:09:33] <Loetmichel> FinboySlick: do you thing that one can do something like THIS? -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=749
[19:09:56] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=370
[19:10:01] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=382
[19:10:03] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:10:41] <Turtl3boi> please Loetmichel tell what i should buy
[19:11:01] <Loetmichel> cant do that.
[19:11:13] <Loetmichel> no plans made for my machines
[19:11:14] <jdhNC> you should buy/build a cheap gantry router to learn on.
[19:11:14] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[19:11:16] <MattyMatt> sable 2015 is a good pcb mill for $500
[19:11:21] <A2Sheds> MattyMatt: waiting for the kernel devs to decide on what to do with 3.x for ARM
[19:11:29] <Loetmichel> just in my head
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[19:11:55] <Turtl3boi> for $500 do i get all the motors?
[19:11:57] <A2Sheds> MattyMatt: it is workable for older kernels with RTAI now
[19:11:57] <MattyMatt> A2Sheds: thanks. what's the holdup? just the x86 hardcoded stepper core?
[19:12:21] <MattyMatt> Turtl3boi: motors yes, drivers no
[19:12:31] <Turtl3boi> how much more are the drivers that you have?
[19:12:57] <MattyMatt> I don't have a Sable, but I use $50 4 axis TB6560 boards
[19:14:32] <A2Sheds> MattyMatt: mostly a lack of high speed IO and the kernel devs getting fed up with all the fragmentation and lack of cooperation between hardware vendors drivers
[19:14:46] <Turtl3boi> Matty which one do you have?
[19:15:46] <A2Sheds> MattyMatt: you could probably have EMC working on a TI Sitara cortex-a8 with a kernel from last year
[19:15:59] <A2Sheds> without too much work
[19:16:34] <A2Sheds> not many ARM soc's with PCIe
[19:17:09] <MattyMatt> Turtl3boi: I made my own but it's no way stiff enough for PCB
[19:17:30] <MattyMatt> I've heard good things and seen vids about the sable 2015 tho
[19:17:37] <Turtl3boi> yeah ok......
[19:17:49] <Turtl3boi> where do you live Matty
[19:17:52] <MattyMatt> UK
[19:17:57] <A2Sheds> nvidia tegra docs are all closed and most boards hardwire PCIe to GB-ethernet
[19:18:58] <MattyMatt> A2Sheds: it's most likely be a M3 board of some description, although a generic arm solution would be neatest
[19:20:04] <MattyMatt> it's not just for me, I'm after a solution for repraps :)
[19:20:53] <alex4nder> MattyMatt: what about the freescale iMX parts?
[19:21:25] <MattyMatt> my personal prefs is to use a cheap android tablet
[19:21:43] <MattyMatt> with linux hacked on, if necessary
[19:21:50] <A2Sheds> the problem with tablets have been closed bootloaders and no PCIe
[19:22:15] <alex4nder> MattyMatt: oh, you're looking for a full display, etc.
[19:22:30] <A2Sheds> lots of gpl violators in the ARM world
[19:22:44] <MattyMatt> full display is a bonus, in fact ideally you'd have the controller in the tablet dock
[19:23:12] <MattyMatt> tablet would then just run axis etc
[19:23:49] <FinboySlick> MattyMatt: But then users would take the tablet out of the dock and expect wireless PCI to the controller.
[19:23:54] <alex4nder> haha
[19:24:13] <MattyMatt> one step at a time :)
[19:24:16] <FinboySlick> So they can have a latte and look trendy milling on the run.
[19:24:25] * FinboySlick hates tablets.
[19:24:39] <A2Sheds> all the ARM vendors having closing up their docs as well
[19:25:34] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: You familiar with embedded board LCD interfaces?
[19:26:01] <A2Sheds> open docs, open bootloader, available in quan <100K........ pick any 2 for ARM
[19:26:17] <Turtl3boi> please Matty. guide me to a solution that will fit me. i found the Sable2015 on ebay but i need to still add the router and some other controls
[19:26:22] <FinboySlick> My ALIX has one, maybe I could wire it to an old laptop LCD and make a self-contained thingy.
[19:26:23] <A2Sheds> for ARM cortex-a8 a9 etc
[19:26:50] <alex4nder> A2Sheds: I thought I saw the docs, uboot source, and eval boards were cheap, for the iMX53
[19:27:07] <MattyMatt> Turtl3boi: go to shop, he supplies suitable spindles & mounts
[19:27:18] <A2Sheds> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Freescale-iMX537-and-iMX538-plus-Quick-Start-and-SABRE-kits/
[19:27:20] <MattyMatt> I think all-in price is ~$800
[19:27:59] <alex4nder> A2Sheds: right,.. so they seem to be giving you all 3
[19:28:01] <A2Sheds> the sabre kits start at $149
[19:28:03] <Turtl3boi> Matty do u personally know anyone with a Sable
[19:28:46] <alex4nder> A2Sheds: and you can buy < 1k quantities.
[19:29:14] <A2Sheds> alex4nder: oh for boards, yeah, but then the price ends up much higher than a tablet
[19:29:22] <alex4nder> A2Sheds: I mean for the chip.
[19:29:28] <MattyMatt> Tom3p has one
[19:30:04] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Accessories-Sable-2015-/190587234480
[19:30:09] <alex4nder> A2Sheds: I mean, you can use a tablet, but you have all the I/O requirements
[19:30:19] <MattyMatt> $215 for everything. not bad
[19:30:44] <alex4nder> and at that point porting the real-time requirements to an RTOS and moving it onto an STM32 starts making more and more sense if your volumes are high enough.
[19:30:44] <MattyMatt> + shipping from Taiwan of course
[19:30:44] <A2Sheds> no PCI or PCIe
[19:30:55] <Turtl3boi> does that little router that's included run on 120V 60Hz American. how about the other electronics?
[19:31:42] <MattyMatt> Input: AC110/AC220V(switchable)
[19:31:43] <A2Sheds> there is a TI Sitara with PCIe, but it's only ~800MHz
[19:31:47] <MattyMatt> it says so
[19:32:00] <MattyMatt> 800Mhz is enough
[19:32:27] <A2Sheds> do you want to spin your own board?
[19:32:54] <MattyMatt> I don't, but others will
[19:33:08] <MattyMatt> reprap community are comfortable making boards
[19:33:15] <alex4nder> are they comfortable soldering BGAs? :D
[19:33:16] <A2Sheds> I've brought this up several times to the reprap group
[19:33:23] <MattyMatt> yep
[19:33:41] <MattyMatt> small ones at least, the allegro driver chips
[19:34:37] <alex4nder> yah the board required for something like that TI part is a 6-8 layer getup.
[19:35:18] <MattyMatt> arm + fpga might be doable
[19:35:38] <MattyMatt> that'd take all the load off the cpu
[19:36:12] <alex4nder> if you're going to do that, why not just put all the brains on a uC?
[19:36:14] <MattyMatt> but it wouldn't really be emc then
[19:36:16] <A2Sheds> http://open-rd.org/ the client was $149 with PCIe
[19:36:17] <alex4nder> yah
[19:37:09] <A2Sheds> http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/arm-sbc.php ARM soc + fpga on the same board
[19:37:18] <A2Sheds> a bit pricey
[19:38:09] <MattyMatt> yeah but the bare chips are cheap enough
[19:38:28] <MattyMatt> decent spartan3 are <$20
[19:38:38] <A2Sheds> http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/PCMCIA/Tablet if this gets some boards going, this might be the solution
[19:39:41] <MattyMatt> cool pcmcia. it would slip in my thinkpad
[19:40:04] <A2Sheds> http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/PCMCIA
[19:40:37] <A2Sheds> it's only PCMCIA size and the same connector, everything else is not compatible with PCMCIA
[19:40:47] <MattyMatt> meh OK :) rephrase "cool, it can brick my thinkpad"
[19:41:02] <A2Sheds> they are trying to get low cost standard form factor ARM modules into the market
[19:41:26] <A2Sheds> http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/PCMCIA/MiniEngineeringBoard
[19:41:49] <A2Sheds> they are thinking of reprap as well
[19:42:23] <A2Sheds> I don't recall if Raspberry Pi has a fast IO
[19:42:43] <A2Sheds> http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[19:42:45] <MattyMatt> if fpga and cpu were on the same board, you could have IO monitoring so fpga output would be visible to HAL
[19:42:56] <A2Sheds> but it's a Broadcom ARM SOC
[19:44:17] <MattyMatt> a Nintendo GBA would suffice to run a reprap, in reality
[19:44:58] <MattyMatt> same sort of grunt as the arduinos we use now
[19:45:46] <MattyMatt> they are getting hard to find in junk shops tho :)
[19:47:17] <MattyMatt> ah well, I just popped in to see if emc2 was in active service on arms these days. back to the day job
[19:47:29] <A2Sheds> intel min-itx atom are $70
[19:47:57] <A2Sheds> it's hard to beat that price, it's why Intel is doing it
[19:48:34] <A2Sheds> I really wish there was an ARM tablet with PCI
[19:49:04] <MattyMatt> why PCI? it's hard IO you need
[19:50:04] <MattyMatt> any cpu with a data bus + buffers.
[19:50:37] <MattyMatt> and a fpga may be the cheapest way to do GPIO these days
[19:50:40] <A2Sheds> not many, SPI, SDIO, USB
[19:51:02] <MattyMatt> yeah SoC lack proper busses
[19:51:14] <A2Sheds> not many offer a GP ISA type bus either
[19:51:20] <MattyMatt> but they do have lots of GPIO
[19:51:21] <A2Sheds> they used to
[19:53:35] <A2Sheds> xilinx zynq-7000 800mhz ARM Dual-Core Cortex A9
[19:54:06] <A2Sheds> http://www.xilinx.com/products/silicon-devices/epp/zynq-7000/
[19:55:06] <MattyMatt> yow :) nice chip. no massive advantage over a 2 chip solution tho
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[19:55:26] <MattyMatt> using that one would lock you in
[19:56:15] <A2Sheds> Actel also has ARM cortex -m3 100MHZ onchip with 100K gates
[19:56:56] <MattyMatt> openRISC cpu uses 70k gates. on a 250k spartan3 that'd do
[19:56:59] <A2Sheds> http://www.actel.com/products/smartfusion/default.aspx#architecture
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[19:57:25] <A2Sheds> 200K and 500K gates
[19:57:46] <MattyMatt> but then you don't get all the convenient mcu stuff like a/d
[19:58:02] <A2Sheds> the Actel has it
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[19:58:49] <MattyMatt> now that one does look ideal :)
[19:59:16] <MattyMatt> this is all vapourware tho. I'm scooting to solder what I've got
[19:59:42] <A2Sheds> talk to Mesa http://www.mesanet.com/
[20:00:11] <A2Sheds> they have a 7i60 for stand alone
[20:00:25] <A2Sheds> group buy 100k pieces :)
[20:00:58] <MattyMatt> mesa too posh for reprap I think :)
[20:01:40] <A2Sheds> we are already in trouble for mentioning that project in here :)
[20:02:06] <MattyMatt> when mill#1 and lathe#1 are earning their keep, I'll have mesa kit for mill#2 and lathe#2
[20:02:32] <MattyMatt> reprap is a toy for me, tbh
[20:03:26] <MattyMatt> I only made one for milling practice
[20:03:35] <A2Sheds> bbl
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[20:11:58] <A2Sheds> MattyMatt: 2 years ago all of this looked like it was going to be easy and readily available
[20:13:16] <A2Sheds> MattyMatt: then the ARM vendors closed the docs, tablet vendors closed the bootloaders, PCIe didn't show up on any tablet and only what 2-3 ARM netbooks, also missing PCIe
[20:14:11] <A2Sheds> even the new OLPX xo1.75 with the Marvell ARM is not going to have open docs, Marvell changed their mind
[20:15:08] <A2Sheds> but they invested $5 million into OLPC, so OLPC is putting up a fight
[20:15:20] <A2Sheds> sorry , not putting up a fight
[20:16:24] <A2Sheds> http://www.toradex.com/Products/Colibri/Modules/Colibri-T20 pricey, no open docs
[20:17:17] <A2Sheds> http://trimslice.com/web/models PCIe hardwired to GB-nic
[20:17:42] <Danimal_garage> ugh i hate home depot
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[20:22:59] <Danimal_garage> now i get to make bulkhead fittings out of pvc. Joy.
[20:24:04] <A2Sheds> I found them at Menards
[20:24:28] <A2Sheds> + actual plumbing supply stores
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[20:49:52] <Danimal_garage> this guy was watching me like a hawk when i was getting hose clamps... like i was going to rob the place
[20:50:12] <Danimal_garage> pissed me off, i said something to him.
[20:50:20] <DaViruz> maybe you should put them in the shopping cart instead of your pockets next time ;)
[20:50:28] <Danimal_garage> har har
[20:51:15] <Danimal_garage> i seriously hate that place, you can't walk through there without 4 people bugging you
[20:51:23] <Danimal_garage> these even have a walmart greeter there now
[20:52:00] <Danimal_garage> i'm trying to count pipe fittings, leave me the f alone!
[20:53:17] <Turtl3boi> can i come take a look at your Bport
[20:54:06] <Danimal_garage> sure, sometime
[20:54:25] <Danimal_garage> it's just a glorified drill press
[20:54:38] <Danimal_garage> you know they weigh about 2,000lbs, right?
[20:55:45] <Danimal_garage> are you looking to do a cnc conversion?
[20:55:46] <Turtl3boi> right
[20:55:52] <Danimal_garage> i wouldn't go with a b-port
[20:55:52] <Turtl3boi> not necessarily
[20:56:00] <Turtl3boi> you wouldn't
[20:56:01] <Danimal_garage> for a conversion
[20:56:08] <Danimal_garage> for a manual mill, yes
[20:56:15] <Turtl3boi> i do eventually wanna cnc but maybe not until i learn how to use a mill manually
[20:56:28] <Danimal_garage> unless you get a b-port boss or something
[20:56:39] <Danimal_garage> so it already has ball screws and all that stuff
[20:58:14] <Turtl3boi> can you teach me how to mill dude?
[20:58:27] <Turtl3boi> i'll pay you $50 bucks to give me some demos
[20:58:35] <Turtl3boi> and i'll buy the aluminum
[21:00:52] <Danimal_garage> you can run my machines if you pay me $50 and hour lol
[21:00:58] <Danimal_garage> :)
[21:04:28] <Turtl3boi> now that's a rip
[21:04:32] <Turtl3boi> i'd pay $20
[21:04:44] <Danimal_garage> ha
[21:04:56] <Turtl3boi> besides why would you want a newb to mess with your machines lol
[21:05:15] <Turtl3boi> i just wanna see what one can do before i buy one
[21:05:17] <Danimal_garage> good point
[21:06:36] <Turtl3boi> look how much do you want man
[21:08:00] <Turtl3boi> i could also just go to some professional's machine shop and look around
[21:08:06] <Turtl3boi> and just ask them
[21:11:45] <Danimal_garage> i'm only kidding
[21:13:01] <Turtl3boi> cool
[21:15:41] <Turtl3boi> Do you weld too?
[21:16:41] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: youtube videos
[21:16:53] <alex4nder> look at how people are using the machines, and you can compare that to how you think you'd use yours.
[21:18:08] <Turtl3boi> look danimal....i can teach you how to weld if you teach me how to machine
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[21:20:48] <Danimal_garage> i wouldnt have time for a while, i gotta get caught up first
[21:22:41] <Turtl3boi> that's cool
[21:25:51] <Danimal_garage> shit, the belt broke on my lathe :(
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[21:27:02] <Turtl3boi> darn =(
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[21:31:45] <Turtl3boi> how much does aluminum cost btw? let's say i want 1" thick aluminum stock to play around with. is this gonna be pricey?
[21:32:50] <anonimasu> yes.
[21:33:08] <andypugh> Fairly. Think in terms of $3000 per ton.
[21:33:29] <anonimasu> depending on size of it, check something like onlinmetals.com for a price(it's a bit cheaper when you buy it from a normal place but they will charge a fee for small pieces)
[21:33:38] <anonimasu> cutoff fee.
[21:37:09] <Turtl3boi> holy crap
[21:37:43] <Turtl3boi> maybe i should practice maching on wood first
[21:39:42] <jdhNC> you should buy a cheap gantry router first
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[21:40:24] <jdhNC> coincidentaly, I happen to have a 14x16x3 router frame I'm not using.
[21:41:30] <Turtl3boi> lemme buy it off u
[21:41:53] <jdhNC> I take paypal :)
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[22:03:00] <Turtl3boi> so i got one guy recommending a Taig
[22:03:05] <Turtl3boi> aiite that's cool
[22:03:10] <Turtl3boi> i'll get a sable and a taig
[22:05:50] <andypugh> Taigs are tiny.
[22:06:29] <andypugh> You are almost certain to get feature creep, you might as well go for at least 4' between centres straight away.
[22:06:57] <Turtl3boi> 4' between what now?
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[22:07:53] <Tom_itx> just go for a Mori Seki and you won't need to upgrade for a while
[22:10:11] <alex4nder> andypugh: haha
[22:10:32] <alex4nder> er Tom_itx
[22:10:41] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: buy one machine and use it for a while
[22:10:42] <Turtl3boi> lol......
[22:10:54] <alex4nder> and try to actually machine something complex
[22:11:00] <alex4nder> and then cry a lot when you complete mess up
[22:11:06] <alex4nder> right at the last minute
[22:11:06] <Turtl3boi> alex can we meet up for a few hours?
[22:11:13] <alex4nder> uh like, physically?
[22:11:37] <Turtl3boi> yes
[22:11:49] <alex4nder> sure, but I'm a total noob at machining.
[22:11:52] <andypugh> "Agaraphobes of the world Unite!"
[22:12:17] <alex4nder> I think you'd be better off just going and trying to hang out with some machinists.
[22:12:28] <Turtl3boi> the guys at my last job fired me
[22:12:33] <alex4nder> especially during the night shifts, where they're hanging out listening to music.
[22:12:37] <Turtl3boi> i mean my last job at the machine shop
[22:12:40] <alex4nder> oh
[22:12:43] <alex4nder> why'd they do that?
[22:12:49] <Turtl3boi> which was 8 years ago
[22:13:05] <Turtl3boi> couldn't figure out how to drive the forklift as well as the other guy joined with me
[22:13:17] <alex4nder> ah
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[22:13:34] <alex4nder> well don't go work at a machine shop.. find a small job shop and buy the owner beer.
[22:13:51] <alex4nder> that's how my little brother got parts built for his RX-7 for years
[22:14:03] <Turtl3boi> hahaha
[22:14:10] <andypugh> Or look at youtube videos and dive in...
[22:14:18] <alex4nder> or that
[22:14:37] <Turtl3boi> well i more or less get the gist of it
[22:14:47] <alex4nder> you afraid?
[22:15:08] <Turtl3boi> no i just wanna get a machine that can make some decent aluminum parts
[22:15:12] <andypugh> I can't really advise how to learn machining, I started using a lathe at 7.
[22:15:18] <Turtl3boi> no complex shapes but repeatability would be good
[22:15:26] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: you will be.... you will be ... </yoda>
[22:15:46] <Turtl3boi> aiite so u live in the san luis region
[22:15:49] <Turtl3boi> i live in san jose
[22:15:53] <Turtl3boi> so let's just meet up
[22:16:09] <alex4nder> haha
[22:16:31] <alex4nder> if you live in san jose, why not just go over to tech shop and try their machines?
[22:17:06] <Turtl3boi> what's tech shop
[22:17:20] <alex4nder> http://techshop.ws/
[22:17:44] <alex4nder> if I was in the bay area without a garage, I'd be hanging out there.
[22:17:56] <Turtl3boi> holy crap that's dope
[22:18:20] <Turtl3boi> but it's also stupid too because i bet a lot of ppl will be waiting in line to use the machines
[22:18:29] <Turtl3boi> you'll pay the monthly fee but you'll never get to use the machines
[22:18:40] <Turtl3boi> it's a joke really
[22:18:41] <andypugh> SOme of them seem to be girls! That might not be a bad thing :-)
[22:18:46] <Turtl3boi> LOL
[22:18:53] <alex4nder> Turtl3boi: you can reserve them
[22:19:08] <Turtl3boi> yeah but i'm a slow worker
[22:19:16] <Turtl3boi> it's better if i just use my capital saved up and buy one
[22:19:25] <Turtl3boi> besides i am not in san jose
[22:19:36] <Turtl3boi> i just happen to have family in san jose so i can go there half the time
[22:19:42] <Turtl3boi> i'm in san diego actually
[22:20:15] <andypugh> I just checked the calendar, the Tormach is free all friday and saturday at the moment. I think your fears are unfounded
[22:20:35] <alex4nder> yah
[22:20:38] <Turtl3boi> lol
[22:20:41] <Turtl3boi> but........
[22:20:53] <andypugh> Do you want excuses or answers?
[22:20:56] <alex4nder> seriously
[22:21:04] <Turtl3boi> you gotta take a class to use the machine
[22:21:11] <Turtl3boi> that's gonna cost me
[22:21:17] <Turtl3boi> i may as well put that money toward a new machine
[22:21:20] <Turtl3boi> seriously.......
[22:21:27] <andypugh> You were saying you wanted to learn, taking a class seems like an excellent way.
[22:21:36] <Turtl3boi> true ok you got me
[22:21:39] <Turtl3boi> i'll sign up then
[22:22:42] <alex4nder> I think that's worth it.. $99 to get checked out with machine time.. and then $125/month to use a machine you don't have to own
[22:22:57] <alex4nder> I'd do that in a heartbeat.
[22:23:01] <andypugh> $60 might seem a lot now, but 6 months down the line, when your CNC habit has sucked all the cash out of every recess of your finances, and you are selling the dog to buy carbide tips, it will seem like nothing....
[22:23:01] <A2Sheds> $100/mo hmm I wonder how busy the machines are? How many hours a month can you actually get on them?
[22:23:04] <Turtl3boi> wow really
[22:23:26] <alex4nder> A2Sheds: the schedule is only.. and you get 4 hour blocks
[22:23:29] <Turtl3boi> yeah i bet ppl hog the machines
[22:23:30] <alex4nder> s/only/online/
[22:23:36] <Turtl3boi> everytime there's a sharing situation like that the hogs win
[22:23:40] <Turtl3boi> and shy ppl like me get shafted
[22:23:58] <alex4nder> ...
[22:24:01] <Turtl3boi> and girls start using sex to convince guys they ought to have rights on the machines
[22:24:07] <A2Sheds> take a kung fu class first
[22:24:07] <alex4nder> wut
[22:24:23] <andypugh> You book online, in 4 hour blocks. As far as I can see availability looks good.
[22:24:30] <alex4nder> yah
[22:24:38] <alex4nder> there's 1 4 hour block reserved in the first week of november
[22:24:43] <alex4nder> the rest is wide open
[22:24:53] <andypugh> And I am not seeing any drawbacks to the queue-jumping tactics from here.
[22:24:59] <A2Sheds> I wonder how they handle tooling? BYOT?
[22:25:21] <alex4nder> and they're open from 9am to midnight
[22:25:47] <andypugh> I have a CNC lathe and Mill, I could still see myself paying the $100 for access to theirs (plus the laser cutter etc)
[22:25:49] <A2Sheds> they should be 24/7, you could have a side biz
[22:26:59] <Turtl3boi> yeah what if i destroy one of their bits
[22:27:09] <alex4nder> you'll bring your own
[22:27:16] <alex4nder> I can't imagine using the house tools
[22:27:17] <andypugh> I bet you find all sorts of fascinating side-projects at a communal workshop like that
[22:27:41] <Turtl3boi> i bet i find a bunch of trendy guys that will think i'm not trendy enough
[22:27:47] <Turtl3boi> and too old
[22:27:49] <Turtl3boi> lol
[22:28:15] <JT-Shop> I bet you find a bunch of folks that say "oh my it is not as easy as I imagined"
[22:28:15] <alex4nder> anyway, there you go.. problem solved.
[22:28:22] <andypugh> Perhaps you should play to your strengths? You seem to be world-class in "negativity"
[22:28:31] <JT-Shop> lol
[22:28:35] <alex4nder> JT-Shop: yah.. I think that is the default response.
[22:29:03] <A2Sheds> that's why you can teach a class in making stun guns
[22:29:03] <JT-Shop> "you mean you just don't stick the material in and out comes a part?"
[22:29:26] <Turtl3boi> rofl
[22:29:37] <Turtl3boi> i'm an old fashioned dude
[22:29:48] <Turtl3boi> san jose is a trendy area
[22:29:53] <andypugh> Just watched a program called "big factories" or something. This one was Sheffield Forgemasters making 100 ton steel castings. Wow!.
[22:30:08] <A2Sheds> wow 15K sq ft, that is a good size
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[22:30:43] <JT-Shop> a BBC show?
[22:30:47] <Turtl3boi> alright i'll check it outz then
[22:30:49] <andypugh> Discovery
[22:31:13] <JT-Shop> I'll have to sneak in and add that to the DVR then
[22:31:18] <Turtl3boi> hey what if i made a tech shop myself
[22:31:27] <Turtl3boi> buy a tormach CNC and let people use it
[22:32:02] <JT-Shop> Really Big Things ?
[22:32:41] <andypugh> "Factory Line"
[22:33:01] <Turtl3boi> alright is there anyone in california that will let me visit and teach me a few pointers about machining
[22:33:11] <andypugh> JT-Shop: http://www.radiotimes.com/programme/nf5xs/factory-line/episodeguide
[22:33:21] <Turtl3boi> and also how to check if a used mill is good or not
[22:33:23] <A2Sheds> all Chicago has is a hackerspace http://pumpingstationone.org/about/ with a Grizzly lathe :(
[22:33:40] <JT-Shop> andypugh: thanks
[22:35:16] <Turtl3boi> JT where u at man?
[22:36:30] <A2Sheds> those techshop's are a great idea
[22:37:51] <A2Sheds> I wonder if they will make it past one dumb lawsuit?
[22:38:36] <Turtl3boi> haha
[22:38:47] <Turtl3boi> i bet they won't let me in if i don't have health insurance
[22:39:06] <Turtl3boi> techshops are a good idea and i should start one myself
[22:39:17] <Turtl3boi> lemme know if you guys want to
[22:39:25] <Turtl3boi> i'm down here in southern california area
[22:40:34] <andypugh> Just been looking at the London Hackspace. I think they should buy my CNC mill/lathe combo :-)
[22:43:59] <JT-Shop> Swamp East Missouri
[22:44:03] <Danimal_garage> sweet, i got my belt fixed for my lathe already
[22:44:48] <JT-Shop> I need to change the spindle belt on the 308 but don't feel like pulling the ginormas servo off
[22:45:07] <Danimal_garage> i have a flat leather belt on my manual lathe, the buckle snaped
[22:45:45] <JT-Shop> we had some on some surface grinders back a few decades ago
[22:46:04] <Danimal_garage> i just drove down to the electric motor shop and he fixed it for me while i stopped at another store
[22:46:07] <Danimal_garage> saved my arse
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[22:46:37] <JT-Shop> does it go click, click, click when it runs?
[22:46:41] <andypugh> flat belts work a lot better than people credit them
[22:47:04] <Danimal_garage> nope
[22:47:12] <Danimal_garage> it's too noisy to hear anyways lol
[22:47:38] <JT-Shop> the ones we had used a metal buckle
[22:47:42] <Danimal_garage> it was built in 1910, not my quietest machine
[22:48:19] <Danimal_garage> this has a buckle, kinda
[22:48:24] <Danimal_garage> has a pin that goes through it
[22:48:32] <Turtl3boi> Danimal when can i come check out your setups
[22:49:03] <JT-Shop> hey Dan I have the CHNC ready to move from garage to the shop :)
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[22:49:49] <Danimal_garage> Turtl3boi: as soon as i have time
[22:49:53] <Danimal_garage> nice, John
[22:50:31] <Turtl3boi> what are you doing full time?
[22:50:36] <Turtl3boi> do you work outta your shop ?
[22:51:40] <Turtl3boi> sorry i'm being nosy
[22:52:03] <Danimal_garage> yes
[22:52:17] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i'm making my bulkhead fittings now
[22:54:23] <JT-Shop> Turtl3boi: yes
[22:54:38] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: making them from PVC?
[22:54:40] <Turtl3boi> sorry
[22:54:46] <Danimal_garage> yes
[22:54:56] <Turtl3boi> bulkhead? for what
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[22:58:32] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: If I can be nosy back... What do you plan to do with your eventual mill? PCB?
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[23:19:55] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop i thought you just changed a belt recently
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[23:21:16] <Tom_itx> does that tech shop have an equipment list?
[23:22:13] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I just bought the belts a couple of weeks ago but have been using the VMC a lot so no time to change them
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[23:23:25] <Tom_itx> i'm not familiar with Tormach
[23:23:32] <Tom_itx> is it a decent machine?
[23:23:58] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: If I had more room it's what I would have gotten.
[23:24:00] <Tom_itx> i wonder what they have for cad cam for it
[23:25:42] * FinboySlick curses the people who are health conscious for they took all the fat out of his yogurt.
[23:25:49] <Tom_itx> damn they didn't have a toaster oven listed
[23:25:54] <Tom_itx> i'd be lost without that
[23:27:21] <Danimal_garage> FinboySlick: i hate those people
[23:27:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: your gonna turn into a poptart
[23:27:36] <Danimal_garage> they're the same people who took away my supersized greasy fries at mcdonalds
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[23:27:54] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, you saw my oven
[23:28:25] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: No fear, these guys got you covered... http://heartattackgrill.com/
[23:28:28] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: I'm with you. I don't get fat, let me have food that tastes good.
[23:28:43] <andypugh> Tom_itx: They offer EMC2 as an option I believe (And have invited us to hold an EMC2 Fest at their factory)
[23:28:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: cooked in PURE LARD!!!
[23:29:11] <Tom_itx> do they butter the buns wiht lard too?
[23:29:29] <Turtl3boi> umm yo fanboy slick
[23:29:31] <FinboySlick> Actually, the epic meal time bunch are a bit of a Quebec pride here.
[23:29:31] <elmo40> mmm, lard
[23:29:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: If you weight 350lbs, you eat for free!
[23:29:39] <Turtl3boi> i plan to prototype a few rc airplane parts
[23:29:43] <Turtl3boi> a few molds
[23:29:47] <Turtl3boi> and some bicycle parts
[23:29:48] <Tom_itx> a good friend of mine is ~500
[23:29:51] <Turtl3boi> car project i got
[23:29:59] <Turtl3boi> so yeah mainly i won't be doing pcb
[23:30:09] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://heartattackgrill.com/cbsawards.html
[23:30:11] <Turtl3boi> in fact i think i should just get a separate pcb router
[23:30:16] <elmo40> FinboySlick: you are Canadian?
[23:30:17] <FinboySlick> Turtl3boi: OK. For car parts you probably want something bigger than a benchtop.
[23:30:27] <tom3p> JT-Shop, did you use optocouplers with the g540?
[23:30:42] <FinboySlick> elmo40: This is the part where I'm supposed to go all Quebec fanatic on you and tell you I'm a Quebecer, but yeah.
[23:30:53] <elmo40> ya, thought about that one
[23:30:54] <FinboySlick> Praise the holy poutine.
[23:30:54] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66828621@N02/sets/72157627861586377/
[23:31:00] * Tom_itx goes out to finish some parts
[23:31:05] <elmo40> once I found out you are actually IN quebec ;)
[23:31:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://heartattackgrill.com/freehealthcare.html
[23:31:29] <FinboySlick> elmo40: Technically, I'm in the Quebec of Quebec ;)
[23:31:34] <elmo40> Danimal_garage: I would love to have a laser!
[23:31:55] <Turtl3boi> me and my boy had this electric car project we wanted to work on
[23:31:59] <Danimal_garage> it's at the surplus yard
[23:32:04] <Turtl3boi> we figure we'll need to engineer some motor mounts and stuff
[23:32:10] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: whats in the doors?
[23:32:24] <Danimal_garage> a little table
[23:32:35] <Danimal_garage> probably servo or stepper driven maybe
[23:32:53] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: did you get a pic of the laser on top? I see a window there
[23:33:05] <Danimal_garage> just a big glas tube
[23:33:07] <Danimal_garage> no
[23:33:16] <Jymmm> *sigh*
[23:33:21] <FinboySlick> I know I ask every evening, but if anyone grocks the EMC makefiles, I could sure use a bit of a hand.
[23:33:28] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: how much?
[23:33:31] <elmo40> where is it? how much do they want for it? any actual laser parts? :P
[23:33:47] <Jymmm> elmo40: none of your damn business =)
[23:33:58] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: it ran on 115v and 15a, if that helps. there was a radiator behind it, kinda like on a car
[23:34:11] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: no clue on the price, probably dirt cheap
[23:34:12] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: yeah, a chiller.
[23:34:25] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: WHAT?! you went there again and STILL no price???
[23:34:25] <elmo40> now now Jymmm...
[23:34:33] <elmo40> it probably isn't even in my country :P
[23:34:33] <Danimal_garage> didnt ask
[23:34:43] <Jymmm> elmo40: It's in NY for $10, go get it!
[23:34:49] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: why not?
[23:34:52] <FinboySlick> elmo40: Where are you from?
[23:35:02] <Danimal_garage> price isnt a big deal, i know it's cheap, is it usable you think, from what you can tell from my shitty pics?
[23:35:12] <elmo40> around the Toronto area
[23:35:15] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: depends on the price.
[23:35:26] <Danimal_garage> for $100?
[23:35:35] <elmo40> Toronto to NY... hrmm... what is a retail value for that thing?
[23:35:48] <FinboySlick> elmo40: don't worry, I won't insult the leafs ;)
[23:35:56] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: how does the table look? rusted? does it move?
[23:36:03] <elmo40> if it actually had all the components I would really think about it. I have family there that I haven't seen in YEARS :P Good excuse for a trip
[23:36:03] <Danimal_garage> looks aluminum
[23:36:08] <Danimal_garage> no rust
[23:36:12] <elmo40> FinboySlick: hockey is for girls ;)
[23:36:24] <Danimal_garage> small table, considering the size of the machine
[23:36:33] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: does it move?
[23:36:36] <FinboySlick> elmo40: You prefer extreme roshambo?
[23:36:38] <Danimal_garage> my guess is 1980's
[23:36:49] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: most likely
[23:36:51] <elmo40> (almost) anything with an engine!
[23:37:06] <FinboySlick> elmo40: Works for me :)
[23:37:10] <elmo40> GP racing to Rally, you name it I love it.
[23:37:20] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: more concerned about the laser... is it usable? the table can be made or modified
[23:37:28] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Well, when you get the price, take pics of everything and give it a good inspection (bring a screwdriver) let me know
[23:37:34] <Danimal_garage> or is it so old that it's not worth it
[23:37:35] <elmo40> Danimal_garage: plug it in ;) see if it works
[23:37:56] <Danimal_garage> i dont want to know if it works before i get it, because that means they'll know if it works
[23:38:02] <Danimal_garage> then the price goes up
[23:38:13] <elmo40> honestly, where is it? id buy it for $10 just for the casing and the chiller unit LOL
[23:38:19] <elmo40> true
[23:38:20] <Danimal_garage> if i go in there with $100, they'll probably say take it
[23:38:24] <Turtl3boi> danimal i can help
[23:38:30] <Turtl3boi> lemme go with u
[23:38:40] <elmo40> now you have others wanting...
[23:38:42] <Danimal_garage> settle down
[23:38:51] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: you'll need to do a better inspection, take LOTS of pics, remove panels and take pics, etc.
[23:38:54] <Turtl3boi> c'mon man i got the rest of the week off
[23:38:56] <Turtl3boi> i'm bored
[23:39:08] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: I think you have a fan.
[23:39:18] <Danimal_garage> i think i moved to canada
[23:39:30] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: if the chiller is rusted out, you'll need a new one, those sorta things.
[23:39:30] <Danimal_garage> oot and aboot, aye?
[23:39:42] <Jymmm> rusted, corroted, etc
[23:39:43] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: it's in san diego, no rust
[23:39:51] <Jymmm> hahahahaha
[23:40:04] <Jymmm> yeah, no sea breeze either
[23:40:08] <Danimal_garage> inland
[23:40:20] <Jymmm> doens't matter,
[23:40:27] <Danimal_garage> point is it's clean
[23:40:28] <elmo40> san diego? damn... LONG drive for me
[23:41:10] <elmo40> and far form NY!
[23:41:19] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: i got 2 immersion coolers from them today for $60, capable of -100c
[23:41:24] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: bring a tape measure when you take pics too for scale
[23:41:37] <Danimal_garage> it's about 4 feet tall
[23:41:49] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: INTERNAL pics
[23:42:03] <Danimal_garage> not much inside
[23:42:08] <Danimal_garage> just a table and some optics
[23:42:09] <Turtl3boi> Danimal I can really help you man
[23:42:17] <Turtl3boi> we can start a tech shop together in Escondido
[23:42:36] * FinboySlick <-- amused
[23:42:43] <Danimal_garage> Turtl3boi: no interest in a tech shop, i make widgets all day long and drink beer
[23:43:04] <Turtl3boi> i drink beer and pizza
[23:43:11] <Danimal_garage> you drink pizza?
[23:43:12] <Turtl3boi> how bout i bring you some Dominos and Miller Lite
[23:43:21] <Turtl3boi> we'll have a blast man
[23:43:22] <Danimal_garage> miller lite?
[23:43:26] <Turtl3boi> ye
[23:43:31] <FinboySlick> I was about to say, that's no beer.
[23:43:35] <Danimal_garage> do i have a vagina?
[23:43:36] <tom3p> JT-Shop, nevermind ;) all the G540 signals are already opto-isolated (these 4n25 s were just too slow for 2uS anyway )
[23:43:39] <Turtl3boi> that's what i drink
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[23:45:18] <Danimal_garage> Turtl3boi: i'm the last person you want help from in here, trust me
[23:45:29] <Danimal_garage> i'm about as useless as tits on a bull
[23:46:02] <Turtl3boi> nah man i just wanna see what you do
[23:46:02] <Turtl3boi> lemme know........pz gotta run
[23:46:09] <Turtl3boi> gotta run to the salon
[23:47:06] <Danimal_garage> seeya
[23:47:20] <Turtl3boi> i can seriously compensate u though man
[23:47:24] <Turtl3boi> i know your time is worth money
[23:47:34] <Turtl3boi> whether it's food or $$ it's compensation waiting for ya
[23:47:37] <Turtl3boi> pz
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[23:52:08] <elmo40> FinboySlick: and how is quebec these days... damn socialistic pansies (voted NDP in droves! such losers)
[23:52:58] <Jymmm> http://heartattackgrill.com/extreempigouts.html
[23:53:14] <FinboySlick> elmo40: 100% with you there... though honestly, I don't think any of what was offered was any better so what difference does it really make?
[23:53:43] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: You should check EpicMealTime if you're not familiar with it.
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[23:58:45] <elmo40> anyone play Halo 1 for PC? ;)
[23:59:38] <FinboySlick> elmo40: Hey... you can't call people pansies and then imply you play Halo in the next statement. You loose all credibility.