#emc | Logs for 2011-10-21

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[00:02:36] <JT-Shop> no, my Dad asked for a #5 once...
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[00:04:29] <andypugh> MattyMatt: More of it to the tonne, you see.
[00:05:02] <andypugh> But bear in mind that it has a lower modulus of elasticity.
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[00:07:44] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I'll have to remember that one =)
[00:09:20] <JT-Shop> I'll never know what a #5 is but I suspect what it might be
[00:09:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Is that like having to ask the OOD for the keys to the jet aircraft?
[00:10:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: What's that?
[00:10:45] <Jymmm> a fifth?
[00:11:46] <JT-Shop> no it's like asking for a cyanide pill
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[00:12:21] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Hmmm, I've never heard of such an expression before
[00:12:28] <Danimal_garage|2> same here
[00:12:39] <Danimal_garage|2> kinda glad for that actually
[00:12:46] <Jymmm> ditto
[00:14:04] <Danimal_garage|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6I1oAPG0Ss
[00:14:09] <Danimal_garage|2> the vid i made for my site
[00:14:20] <JT-Shop> dunno where he got that from in his state of mind at the time
[00:14:27] <Danimal_garage|2> pretty basic for any of us, but customers like that crap
[00:14:39] <Danimal_garage|2> WW2?
[00:14:54] * JT-Shop turns down Kraftwerk to listen to it
[00:15:11] <Danimal_garage|2> haha you probably don't want to hear it
[00:15:17] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I haven't listened to them in years
[00:15:25] <Danimal_garage|2> i think i have EPMD playing in the background, however you can barely hear it
[00:15:34] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage|2: drop the first 2s or so
[00:15:55] <Danimal_garage|2> Jymmm: i edited it, it just hasnt taken effect yet
[00:15:58] <JT-Shop> I recognize that turret :)
[00:16:05] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage|2: k
[00:16:21] <Danimal_garage|2> i figured you would
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[00:16:46] <Danimal_garage|2> i welded my gang tooling holder i made right to it since it kept moving with all the leverage
[00:16:50] <JT-Shop> interesting tool holder
[00:16:54] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage|2: doesn't that "round off" chatter liek crazy?
[00:17:06] <JT-Shop> oh I see that now
[00:17:09] <Danimal_garage|2> no chatter
[00:17:26] <Jymmm> k
[00:17:59] <Danimal_garage|2> JT-Shop: you can get the turrets pretty easily on ebay, i figured it was worth it just no not have to worry about it moving anymore
[00:18:08] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage|2: all those tools marks on the inside where it doens't count... FOR SHAME ON YOU!!!
[00:18:37] <Danimal_garage|2> huh?
[00:18:46] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage|2: joke
[00:18:47] <JT-Shop> yea, I've looked a couple of times for a spare 1/2" top... loads of 10mm and other sizes
[00:19:14] <Danimal_garage|2> really
[00:19:16] <Danimal_garage|2> hmm
[00:19:19] <JT-Shop> I thought my CHNC was making noise but it was your video
[00:19:22] <Danimal_garage|2> mine are all 3/8"
[00:19:41] <JT-Shop> yea, lots of 3/8's but I use 1/2"
[00:19:51] <Danimal_garage|2> i might have to look for one of those
[00:20:30] <Danimal_garage|2> the gang tooling works well, it saves some time and space
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[00:21:10] <JT-Shop> you turn dry or only for the video
[00:21:32] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage|2: BTW, it's actually easier to read/remember "HomeBrewedComponents" than it is "homebrewedcomponents" when used in a url (like you have on YT)
[00:21:35] <Danimal_garage|2> depends
[00:21:54] <Danimal_garage|2> thanks Jymmm
[00:22:05] <Danimal_garage|2> JT-Shop: i think i do those parts dry
[00:22:12] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage|2: And mixed cased in a url is perfectly legal technically
[00:22:24] <Danimal_garage|2> just because it's such a quick op, and they're only aluminum
[00:22:37] <Danimal_garage|2> keeps the mess down
[00:22:38] <JT-Shop> 7075?
[00:22:41] <Danimal_garage|2> yes
[00:22:50] <JT-Shop> that cuts nice
[00:22:50] <Danimal_garage|2> thats why i can get away with it
[00:22:54] <Danimal_garage|2> yea
[00:23:06] <Jymmm> What is 1065 ? cheap carbon steel?
[00:23:07] <Danimal_garage|2> i use coolant for the ti and stainless versions
[00:23:21] <Danimal_garage|2> i think so Jymmm
[00:23:26] <Jymmm> med carbon steel?
[00:23:30] <Danimal_garage|2> bbl, gotta run
[00:23:32] <JT-Shop> I think making some ballista parts will calm me down
[00:23:38] <JT-Shop> see ya
[00:23:44] <Danimal_garage|2> drink a beer JT-Shop
[00:23:47] <Danimal_garage|2> adios
[00:23:58] <JT-Shop> drinking some red
[00:24:47] <andypugh> red wine and ballistas. What could possibly go wrong.
[00:25:03] <JT-Shop> not much if I don't string it up
[00:25:08] <Jymmm> On my xmas list... http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31NSysRNWpL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
[00:25:20] <JT-Shop> making some pins
[00:25:37] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_m4xErfJXw
[00:25:43] <JT-Shop> nice almost as big as my Buck
[00:26:02] <Jymmm> it cut concrete, steel tubing and STILL didn't die.
[00:26:13] <Jymmm> and it's only $20
[00:26:42] <Jymmm> bent 90 degrees
[00:27:27] <Jymmm> and still kept going
[00:27:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yeah, but you would never abuse your Buck ike that video does
[00:28:52] <JT-Shop> crap that was my CHNC making noise... I just put a divot in a tool holder with the stock :/
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[00:29:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: excuse to get a shiny new tool holder now?
[00:31:11] <JT-Shop> just cosmetic damage and hurt feelings for being so stupid to do that
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[00:32:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Those sound like perfectly valid reasons to get a shiny new <insert_toy_you've_wanted_for_a_long_time_here> to me
[00:33:49] <JT-Shop> not really, I should have turned the od of the pins on the Samson and done the holes and tapping on the CHNC... but my mind was not right or left so it seems
[00:34:10] <Jymmm> ah
[00:38:29] <JT-Shop> I do have a Consolidated B-24 Liberator pencil sharpener... that makes me feel better
[00:39:27] <Jymmm> heh
[00:39:32] <Jymmm> http://www.amazon.com/Consolidated-Liberator-Die-cast-Sharpener-colorful/dp/B0052346DM
[00:39:58] <Jymmm> It's funny how the simplest things can makes us feel warm & fuzzy sometimes.
[00:40:08] <JT-Shop> yea, that is it but on prop blade is broken
[00:40:13] <JT-Shop> yea
[00:40:19] <JT-Shop> it was my Dad's
[00:40:43] <Jymmm> gotcha, seems they are still being made
[00:41:42] <Jymmm> off to the store bbl
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[01:10:55] <JT-Shop> "there is water at the bottom of the ocean..."
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[01:17:04] * JT-Shop just crashed the parting tool, broke the part, scarred the turret... say goodnight Gracie :)
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[01:19:02] <Tom_itx> woops
[01:19:11] <JT-Shop> yea
[01:19:54] <JT-Shop> now to finger out where I got the parting tool from
[01:23:03] <JT-Shop> found them :0
[01:37:37] <andypugh> Sometimes parting is too exciting.
[01:37:59] <andypugh> And, as then, parting is such sweet sorrow.
[01:38:13] <andypugh> On which note, goodnight.
[01:38:22] <FinboySlick> A poetic note for sure.
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[01:38:55] * FinboySlick cries a little, but that's not the poetry, it's the salsa.
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[02:05:32] * Jymmm is BAAAAAACCCCK! did ya miss me?
[02:10:31] <|n0b0dy|> ya know how a cnc can only cut inside corners as a round shape ... anyone got a clever way to to cut it square after so the box joints fit snug?
[02:11:39] <Jymmm> Mill PAST the edge, or use something like a box chisel, or a small diameter bit
[02:12:16] <Jymmm> or reorient the axis
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[02:28:58] <FinboySlick> |n0b0dy|: If you want to go old-school, you can try broaching too.
[02:31:30] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: You like spicy stuff?
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[02:56:29] <elmo40> |n0b0dy|: just use a smaller endmill (or pre-drill the corners with a small drill) and work away that material slowly.
[02:56:37] <elmo40> other then that, chisel ;)
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[03:17:00] <Tom_itx> logger[psha]
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[03:30:48] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Not SOB spicy, but somewhat spicy sure
[03:32:13] <FinboySlick> Jymmm: Got some of this yesterday. It's awesome: http://www.peppermaster.com/products_by_usage/barbecue_grilling/hurricane_mash?cPath=67_77
[03:33:04] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: that would be SOB spicy =)
[03:33:57] <Jymmm> Habinero
[03:34:26] <FinboySlick> Unlike most other hot sauces of the kind I've tried though, this one you can actually taste and is pretty good.
[03:34:57] <Jymmm> FinboySlick: Yeah, I enjoy flavor, not burning my tounge =)
[03:35:14] <FinboySlick> Oh it'll burn all the way to your rectum.
[03:35:32] <Jymmm> a friend pops them like candy
[03:36:53] <FinboySlick> Ok, now the struggle-of-the-week question: Shall I add ipv6 support to uClibc or find a way to build glib without ipv6 support.
[03:37:49] <FinboySlick> glib: the last great hurdle before I can actually build emc on this thing ;)
[03:47:22] <A2Sheds> What are you going to use ipv6 for?
[03:48:31] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Exactly. So the question was which is less troublesome, enabling it in uclibc or finding a way to get glib to build without support for it.
[03:50:11] <FinboySlick> Turned out to be the latter, btw ;)
[03:50:34] <FinboySlick> It's good to make progress after over a week of struggling with uClibc cross-compilation.
[03:51:20] <A2Sheds> is this for that Geode board?
[03:51:27] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Yeah.
[03:51:50] <A2Sheds> wow, lots of work for a dead end cpu
[03:52:03] <FinboySlick> It's my dead-end CPU.
[03:52:11] <FinboySlick> You insensitive clod ;)
[03:52:40] <A2Sheds> you'll get over it, I was in support of VIA a few years ago :p
[03:53:02] <FinboySlick> Oh it's not ideological.
[03:53:15] <FinboySlick> I just want to do more with it than watch it sit on a shelf, that's all.
[03:53:20] <A2Sheds> hey, it's paid for, don't laugh
[03:53:58] <FinboySlick> Well, gtk+ building now, so far so good.
[03:54:06] <A2Sheds> I finally sold my last NOS VIA Epia over the summer
[03:54:34] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Just thought about it, the ALIX boards have coreboot support too.
[03:55:49] <A2Sheds> yes, AMD had 2 dedicated coreboot devs at their Geode design center until they laid them off
[03:56:14] <FinboySlick> I'm wondering if I want to try that next.
[03:56:16] <A2Sheds> one dev is still active
[03:57:53] <A2Sheds> the ALIX.1C and the .2D are
[03:58:46] <FinboySlick> What I have here is a 1D, which is just a 1C with a battery.
[03:58:55] <A2Sheds> other models might take an hour to six months to support
[04:01:01] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Hmmm, do I really need tcl for emc2?
[04:01:28] <FinboySlick> Apparently :P
[04:05:03] <FinboySlick> Seriously? Xinerama is required too?
[04:08:27] <A2Sheds> I imagine if you're trying to support your app in Ubuntu you're really happy just to see it stable
[04:09:20] <FinboySlick> Yeah, but that made me have to rebuild gtk+
[04:10:35] <FinboySlick> Hehehe, I'll be so crushed when I find out this thing has terrible jitter.
[04:11:40] <A2Sheds> but just think of the howto you'll be able to write!
[04:15:46] <A2Sheds> http://www.dsl-ltd.co.uk/productspec.aspx?ProdID=VDX-DIP-PCI maybe it will work on this as well
[04:16:58] <FinboySlick> That's tiny.
[04:17:39] <FinboySlick> Does it have any kind of video?
[04:17:50] <A2Sheds> http://www.icop.com.tw/pddetail.aspx?id=134&pid=4
[04:19:37] <A2Sheds> icop has a matching XGI Z9s VGA/DVI PCI Board
[04:21:27] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: What would provide libintl_gettext ? The libc or gettext itself?
[04:25:11] <A2Sheds> how about a question that involves a soldering iron?
[04:25:36] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Hehe, I might have plenty of those later.
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[04:31:07] <FinboySlick> Okay, I'll save that one for the weekend I guess.
[04:31:13] <FinboySlick> Time for bed.
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[04:40:37] <ve7it> xserver updates (3 in the last 2 days) break glxgears and axis :{.... maybe another update tomorrow will fix it?
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[08:29:21] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[15:14:54] <Danimal_garage|2> hi
[15:29:55] <JT-Shop> Hi Dan
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[15:32:08] <Danimal_garage|2> Hi John
[15:32:12] <Danimal_garage|2> how goes it
[15:34:09] <JT-Shop> better today I only need a #2 1/2
[15:34:41] <Danimal_garage|2> haha
[15:34:48] <Danimal_garage|2> what went wrong yesterday?
[15:35:28] <JT-Shop> apparently I failed to implement proper precautionary measures to prevent random acts of stupidity last night
[15:35:56] <Danimal_garage|2> customer screw up a machine?
[15:36:21] <Danimal_garage|2> and it's your fault because you didn't make it idiot proof?
[15:36:40] <JT-Shop> I was the stupid one LOL
[15:36:43] <Danimal_garage|2> ah
[15:36:45] <Danimal_garage|2> haha
[15:37:05] <Danimal_garage|2> that sucks
[15:37:13] <Danimal_garage|2> been there...,
[15:37:19] <JT-Shop> yea, but you get over it in time
[15:37:20] <Danimal_garage|2> almost daily
[15:37:35] <Danimal_garage|2> yea
[15:37:52] <JT-Shop> minor stupid acts don't bother me as much as breaking something that I should not have broken
[15:37:59] <Danimal_garage|2> crap, dogs are staring at me, i better walk them
[15:38:05] <Danimal_garage|2> something expensive?
[15:40:16] <JT-Shop> no, not really
[15:40:21] <JT-Shop> parting tool
[15:40:54] <Danimal_garage|2> ah
[15:41:01] <Danimal_garage|2> hate it when i brake those
[15:41:19] <Danimal_garage|2> especially since it's hard to come up with another one the same day
[15:42:04] <Danimal_garage|2> bbl, time to walk the dogs
[15:45:12] <skunkKandT> so far I have only broken end mills -
[15:45:45] <skunkKandT> I have pushed stock around in a vice.. Sucks having to re-tram a part for stupidity
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[16:08:38] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[16:18:36] <stillme> where can i buy router spindle? been searching online and cant seem to see one
[16:19:45] <stillme> is there a particular name i should search for?? I can only see dremel
[16:19:59] <Tom_itx> what sort of router?
[16:21:16] <stillme> its a small 3 axis router
[16:21:38] <stillme> 3040 its called
[16:21:51] <stillme> i didnt see any other name on it
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[16:22:47] <A2Sheds> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-3040-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-DRILLING-MILLING-MACHINE-k3-/110666578758 this one??
[16:23:05] <A2Sheds> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1QZrtVcv5c
[16:24:01] <stillme> yes that one
[16:24:13] <stillme> but mine had a different type of spindle
[16:24:25] <stillme> i want to buy this spindle on the link you gave me
[16:25:01] <jdhNC> go for it
[16:25:06] <stillme> the spindle on mine has a cable transmission to the tool and the cable makes a hell of noise, now it just cut
[16:25:12] <stillme> i dont know where to get it
[16:26:43] <Spida> cable to the tool? what for?
[16:27:16] <stillme> i dont know, that was how i recieved it
[16:27:49] <Tom_itx> weed eater cable
[16:27:56] <jdhNC> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-4-AXIS-CNC-ROUTER-ENGRAVER-MACHINE-PCBS-ROUTING-h8-/120701327432
[16:27:58] <jdhNC> like that one?
[16:28:03] <stillme> the cable transmit rotary motion to the tool, now the cable is cut after bearly 2wks of use
[16:28:16] <Tom_itx> they're not very sturdy
[16:28:31] <stillme> jdhNC yes
[16:28:33] <stillme> thats the one
[16:29:07] <stillme> what should i do, any advice is appreciated, am nearly regretting buying this cnc router
[16:29:15] <Tom_itx> those motors were sold in wood working supplies but i can't remember the name of them
[16:29:22] <Tom_itx> fordham?
[16:29:27] <Tom_itx> hell i can't remember
[16:29:30] <jdhNC> there are lots of chinese spindles on ebay, but your machine might not be stiff enough or enough Z power to move it
[16:30:22] <stillme> so you suggesting i replace the cable??
[16:30:56] <stillme> but there are versions of the 3040 that has a spindle like the first link posted here
[16:31:03] <jdhNC> no, I'm suggesting you consider the weight of the spindle you pick
[16:31:23] <A2Sheds> stillme: you could look for a "router motor"
[16:31:42] <MattyMatt> you could add a counterweight if the spindle is too heavy
[16:32:09] <MattyMatt> kress spindles are highly rated
[16:32:25] <stillme> router motor? any particular make?
[16:32:30] <MattyMatt> around $80 they start. they are like a beefed up dremel
[16:32:38] <jdhNC> where are you?
[16:33:14] <stillme> am in Nigeria ...
[16:33:29] <MattyMatt> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kress-1050-FME-Milling-Grinding-Spindle-/180715226343
[16:33:45] <jdhNC> cool, there is a guy there that wants to give me $6million
[16:33:49] <stillme> MattyMatt are you saying kress is better than dremel?
[16:33:55] <A2Sheds> me to!
[16:34:07] <stillme> lol jdhNC pls no jokes
[16:34:10] <MattyMatt> stillme, very much yes
[16:35:05] <MattyMatt> you could make a very good spindle for ~$50 + a random motor
[16:35:18] <stillme> MattyMatt for constant use do you know how long this might last??
[16:35:34] <stillme> no i wasted a lot of money trying to make i rather buy it
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[16:36:18] <A2Sheds> stillme: what are you cutting with it?
[16:36:28] <MattyMatt> even with a cheap dremel clone like I use, it's the brushes that wear out fastest. as long as you can obtain new brushes it should last a year
[16:37:36] <stillme> mainly acrylic wood and sometimes aluminum
[16:37:42] <stillme> forgot PCB too
[16:38:15] <stillme> i can use ebay from here, is there any online store that may have the kress??
[16:39:32] <MattyMatt> this is what I use http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000ELJ0HY?m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE
[16:39:38] <stillme> does the kress come with a mount?? or i have to construct one for it?
[16:39:52] <MattyMatt> you'd need to construct or buy a mount
[16:39:59] <awallin_> some 42 or 43 mm standard that collar
[16:40:06] <awallin_> iirc...
[16:40:31] <stillme> what should i search for to get where i buy the mount??
[16:40:57] <MattyMatt> kress collar clamp
[16:41:05] <stillme> i see kress 1050 and kress 530 which do you think is better for my application??
[16:41:38] <MattyMatt> ask someone who can afford kress :) that ain't me
[16:41:58] <Danimal_garage|2> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_oQmzgqONU
[16:42:19] <Danimal_garage|2> that's my spindle, it's a bosch 1hp palm router
[16:42:29] <MattyMatt> the only real problem with my cheap one is the dremel size collet, so no tool bigger than 1/8"
[16:42:42] <stillme> lol MattyMatt which spindle do you use?
[16:42:45] <Danimal_garage|2> might be too big for your machine if you're looking at dremmels
[16:42:47] <MattyMatt> oh yeah and crappy low speed torque
[16:43:01] <Danimal_garage|2> but it was $100
[16:43:09] <MattyMatt> and impossible-to-find brushes
[16:43:37] <MattyMatt> and brass collets
[16:43:46] <MattyMatt> and plastic case
[16:43:54] <MattyMatt> apart from that, it's great :)
[16:44:05] <Danimal_garage|2> haha
[16:44:15] <stillme> how heavy is the bosch
[16:44:55] <stillme> MattyMatt if you are finding it difficult to get the parts, it will be impossible for me here cause i cant see anything relating to cnc here
[16:45:16] <Danimal_garage|2> stillme: not sure, a couple lbs?
[16:45:46] <stillme> i have a bosch here
[16:45:57] <stillme> but not like the one on your youtube video
[16:46:34] <stillme> mine has two handles by the sides
[16:46:39] <stillme> and its so so noisy
[16:47:12] <awallin_> anyone use Elte? http://www.eltesrl.com/ probably not-so-hobbyist prices though..
[16:47:29] <stillme> and because of its size, it will further reduce my router's effective work area
[16:47:41] <stillme> i prefer something like kress
[16:48:28] <Danimal_garage|2> it's a bosch colt palm router, it's not a big one like you have
[16:49:21] <stillme> awallin_ those are very heavy
[16:49:31] <Danimal_garage|2> http://www.boschtools.com/Products/Tools/Pages/BoschProductDetail.aspx?pid=pr20evsk
[16:49:35] <Danimal_garage|2> thats the one i have
[16:49:39] <stillme> has anyone used these water cooled spindles?
[16:49:57] <Danimal_garage|2> looks like it's 3.3lbs, but i bet it's a little lighter without the base
[16:50:42] <stillme> yes i can see the bosch, am wondering how to mount it on the 3040
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[16:53:23] <Danimal_garage|2> the base comes off, it's pretty much a straight diameter for half the router
[16:53:42] <Danimal_garage|2> it would be easy to make somethnig with the same sized hole in it with a pinch bolt
[16:53:46] <Danimal_garage|2> thats how i have mine
[16:55:26] <stillme> yes i understand
[16:57:12] <MattyMatt> one of these and a pair of 608s http://www.ebay.com/itm/ER11-8MM-STRAIGHT-SHANK-CHUCK-CNC-MILLING-LATHE-D66-/110632600113
[16:57:25] <MattyMatt> that'll be my next spindle :)
[16:57:39] <stillme> my only saviour will be if the shopping mall here has one of them if they dont then am out of work for days till a good spindle arrives
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[16:58:04] <Danimal_garage|2> i got my router at home depot, not sure if you have them where you are
[16:58:46] <MattyMatt> I'm in UK. it's poor choice here
[16:58:58] <stillme> no i dont have home depot here
[16:59:24] <stillme> these routers, kress and bosch can they work for up to 5hrs non stop?
[16:59:36] <Danimal_garage|2> no clue
[16:59:45] <Danimal_garage|2> i suspect anything cheap will get warm
[17:00:19] <stillme> making lithophanes then will be hard for them???
[17:00:20] <MattyMatt> anything smallish with brushes will
[17:00:27] <A2Sheds> heat is their main enemy
[17:00:55] <stillme> MattyMatt did you mean without brushes ??
[17:01:16] <stillme> i thought those brushes help in generating the heat
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[17:01:44] <MattyMatt> yes so anything with brushes will "get warm"
[17:01:58] <stillme> Danimal_garage|2 how cheap do you mean cheap
[17:02:15] <Danimal_garage|2> anything sold in a store
[17:02:21] <stillme> cause the kress am seeing isnt cheap, unless $300 is cheap to you
[17:02:39] <Danimal_garage|2> it is for industrial stuff
[17:03:06] <stillme> so the $300 kress should last then??
[17:03:32] <jdhNC> I'd think that use is asking a lot for a consumer grade tool
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[17:04:17] <Danimal_garage|2> i dont think the kress will last
[17:04:21] <stillme> jdhNC you mean making lithophanes?
[17:04:35] <stillme> but its expensive
[17:04:44] <stillme> i mean the kress
[17:04:45] <Danimal_garage|2> doesnt matter what you're making, if you leave it on that long, it isn't going to like it
[17:04:46] <jdhNC> I mean doing anything for 5 hours straight
[17:05:06] <Danimal_garage|2> $300 is not expensive for a spindle
[17:05:30] <stillme> so what type of spindle is good for working straight 5hrs?
[17:05:40] <Danimal_garage|2> something industrial
[17:05:46] <jdhNC> an expensive one
[17:06:11] <MattyMatt> having the motor separate (belt drive etc) would make it more reliable, and at least more servicable
[17:06:12] <stillme> so none of you guys make lithophanes or you make it once in a long while?
[17:06:14] <Danimal_garage|2> nothing plastic
[17:06:52] <Danimal_garage|2> stillme: i dont even know what that is, but it doesnt matter what you're making, just leaving it on for 5 hours will cook it
[17:07:11] <Danimal_garage|2> eventually
[17:07:35] <stillme> Danimal_garage|2 what do you make with your cnc?
[17:08:04] <jdhNC> I got a $10k spindle last month that runs about 6 hours a day (over 16 hours)
[17:08:06] <Danimal_garage|2> the one i showed you is only for engraving
[17:08:11] <stillme> lithophanes are engraving of a picture on a transluscent material like plexiglass
[17:08:38] <stillme> wow $10k ??
[17:08:49] <Danimal_garage|2> i have full size cnc machines for machining metal
[17:08:53] <stillme> wondering how much the machine would cost ....
[17:09:05] <stillme> so you make parts??
[17:09:11] <Danimal_garage|2> yes
[17:09:16] <stillme> you dont engrave pictures?/
[17:09:38] <Danimal_garage|2> i engrave on the little machine i showed you
[17:09:55] <stillme> thats good, when i buy my next cnc i will buy it from USA, this chinese thing is an arrow through the heart
[17:10:56] <jdhNC> I think I'd go for a decent belt driven spindle and put some money in the bearings
[17:11:22] <stillme> yea but it not easy for me to do that here
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[17:12:08] <stillme> i will find it difficult get the proper belts etc, buying the pieces and shipping will cost me much more than just buying a ready to use unit
[17:13:11] <MattyMatt> those T-slot routers all look made from the same stuff, whether US or china
[17:13:33] <MattyMatt> it's all commodity parts, bolted together
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[17:14:20] <stillme> i wish as i leave now i would find a spindle to use at this mall. mine just spoilt today i hope i wont have to miss using my machine ...
[17:14:30] <stillme> what do you mean by T-slot routers??
[17:14:46] <MattyMatt> machines made from extruded alu sections
[17:15:00] <stillme> am asking cause once i save up i will buy another cnc router and i dont want to make same mistake twice
[17:15:29] <MattyMatt> what is wrong with yours?
[17:15:35] <stillme> ohh i see
[17:15:43] <MattyMatt> it might be easier to upgrade than replace
[17:16:28] <MattyMatt> thicker verticals on the gantry etc
[17:16:53] <stillme> my cnc router is ok, just that the spindle uses a cable transmission to the tool
[17:16:57] <MattyMatt> that looks like the weak spot on that machine
[17:17:04] <jdhNC> http://www.ebay.com/itm/110638281841
[17:17:05] <stillme> the cable just cut
[17:17:13] <JT-Shop> well moving the 330 gallon propane tank up the side of the hill beside the narrow driveway went well I'd say
[17:17:16] <stillme> after 3wks use
[17:17:22] <MattyMatt> ah yeah flexible drive shafts are terrible
[17:17:51] <stillme> jdhNC do you recommend that
[17:18:01] <stillme> that was what i was thinking of getting??
[17:18:10] <jdhNC> I've never used one, but it is something to consider.
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[17:19:47] <stillme> i have been considering that but i never seen where to buy it or a name for it, i only see it attached to a router
[17:20:35] <MattyMatt> meh. amazon (.cm or .co.uk) ships books to Nigeria, but not electronics
[17:21:41] <stillme> yes, i been making my purchases through www.aliexpress.com
[17:21:49] <JT-Shop> ER11 is a tiny little collet :)
[17:21:59] <stillme> this ebay seller says he ships worldwide i will try that
[17:23:29] <MattyMatt> JT-Shop: it's bigger than I got now :)
[17:23:54] <MattyMatt> it'll take 1/4" tools. that's a significant upgrade for me
[17:24:18] <MattyMatt> I may go even bigger tho, as it happens
[17:24:45] <MattyMatt> it'll be the price of the collet sets that guides be in the end
[17:25:00] <JT-Shop> I have a couple of ER11's for my mill for the tiny little drills and mills
[17:26:24] <stillme> well am off to check.
[17:27:40] <stillme> jdhNC btw not all Nigerians are same, there are lots of good Nigerians so please next time dont blanket us all. Thanks for your help i appreciate it.
[17:27:56] <stillme> i will brief you guys on what i got
[17:28:31] <jdhNC> stillme: it was just a joke.
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[17:29:43] <MattyMatt> jdhNC: that's pretty neat price including the VFD
[17:30:01] <stillme> thanks anyways, i have placed an order on the ebay link, i hope its successful meanwhile i want to check the mall here.
[17:30:11] <jdhNC> yeah, but I'm sure there is some direct correlation between what you pay for, and what you get.
[17:30:41] <stillme> lol
[17:31:05] <jdhNC> when it's time for a rebuild, put in some good bearings.
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[17:31:40] <MattyMatt> for me, that means "a better class of skate bearing" :)
[17:32:08] <jdhNC> buy new ones, quit digging the old ones out of the dumpster
[17:32:35] <MattyMatt> I meant I'd mug a richer looking skateboarder
[17:33:36] <MattyMatt> back on planet earth, if it claims abec7 in the ebay listing
[17:33:51] <jdhNC> and continuous duty
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[17:36:08] <MattyMatt> those ceramic ones might be good for delicate carving
[17:37:48] <MattyMatt> but would shatter the first time you try to go sideways through anything :)
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[17:40:26] <mrsun> how to manage to mill alut without the cutter being smuthered ?
[17:40:30] <mrsun> very small passes ?
[17:40:38] <mrsun> (its a soft alu sheet metal)
[17:41:19] <archivist> the right lubrication to stop it sticking is one thing
[17:42:35] <mrsun> archivist, when i did it last time i used like half a can of wd-40 to be able to mill it :P
[17:42:44] <mrsun> as long as i had the oil there it went fine
[17:42:53] <mrsun> destroyed a carbide cutter before that :/
[17:43:01] <mrsun> carbide endmil
[17:43:04] <mrsun> endmill :P
[17:43:21] <JT-Shop> wd40 on aluminum?
[17:43:59] <mrsun> JT-Shop, only thing i had on hand to save the endmill :P
[17:44:04] <mrsun> was hoping to be able to dry cut it
[17:44:20] <JT-Shop> dishwashing liquid with some water in it
[17:44:40] <mrsun> as in the green stuff you use to clean the dishes ?
[17:44:43] <JT-Shop> you need to be throwing big chips to cut dry to pull the heat out
[17:44:52] <mrsun> but dont want alot of water on the mill tbh :P
[17:44:59] <JT-Shop> yea any soap
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[17:45:30] <mrsun> ofc using some emulsion or whatever its called to protect from rust i guess i could
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[17:50:11] <IchGucksLive> Hi all im fighting with the Estop hal command
[17:50:26] <IchGucksLive> halui.estop.reset or halui.estop.activate
[17:51:18] <IchGucksLive> the pendant gives a serial '+E' to activate the Estop
[17:51:57] <IchGucksLive> castomhal -> net estop halui.estop.activate <= pendant.estop
[17:53:18] <IchGucksLive> python -> c.newpin("estop",hal.HAL_BIT,hal.HAL_IN)
[17:53:50] <IchGucksLive> if(key == "+E"):#estop c['estop']==1
[17:54:16] <IchGucksLive> is thewre as the Var is a bit LOW or High requierd ?
[17:54:53] <IchGucksLive> or is the signal wrong
[17:55:06] <JT-Shop> some estop info here http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Sample_HAL_And_ClassicLadder
[17:57:09] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: this iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in maybe the signal
[17:57:47] <JT-Shop> I've never connected up a remote e-stop to EMC so I don't know how
[17:57:56] <IchGucksLive> ok
[17:58:08] <JT-Shop> iirc I tried once but gave up
[17:59:12] <JT-Shop> iirc some of the sample configs have an external e-stop
[18:00:14] <IchGucksLive> http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/211011195959_Bildschirmfoto-38.png
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[18:00:25] <IchGucksLive> the hal scope sees this signal to
[18:02:09] <JT-Shop> gotta run good luck
[18:02:16] <IchGucksLive> B)
[18:06:52] <IchGucksLive> if i miss a key the emc goes and i need to restart the system thats quit not a workaround
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[18:59:35] <MattyMatt> would tapered roller bearings be better than balls in a milling spindle?
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[18:59:56] <MattyMatt> crankshaft bearings can be had quite cheap
[19:00:01] <syyl> depends on the type of spindle
[19:00:22] <syyl> in a slow turning spindle for heavy loads, tapered roller bearings would be right
[19:00:48] <archivist> I have tapers rollers in mine
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[19:01:41] <MattyMatt> ah gotcha. at v high speed they'd have maybe too much contact area
[19:01:53] <syyl> yep
[19:02:11] <syyl> tapered roller bearings have relative low max-revs
[19:03:20] <MattyMatt> I'm thinking of something that can serve as a lathe spindle too
[19:03:56] <MattyMatt> on a relatively smaller lathe of course
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[19:05:38] <syyl> my lathe has tapered roller bearings...
[19:05:47] <MattyMatt> sherline style modular, but a bit bigger
[19:05:47] <syyl> my rotary axis for the mill has also one
[19:06:16] <MattyMatt> cool. I'll _bear_ it in mind :)
[19:06:49] <syyl> but keep in mind, they dont have seals
[19:07:16] <syyl> so you have to do it by your own in your construction
[19:07:36] <MattyMatt> that makes sense
[19:08:03] <MattyMatt> deep groove bearings don't seem to have seals usually anyway
[19:08:21] <syyl> you can get em with covers or seals
[19:08:29] <syyl> nothing unusual
[19:08:38] <syyl> same with angular contact bearings
[19:08:50] <syyl> but seals lower the max-revs of the bearing
[19:08:56] <syyl> as they create friction
[19:10:14] <MattyMatt> I've already got a pair of cast flange 1" bearings. I'd forgot about them
[19:11:36] <MattyMatt> a bit small for a morse taper, but I bought them in a panic. the list price doubled overnight but they had a few at the old price
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[21:37:25] <Steffann> Here he is vanquish
[21:37:30] <Steffann> p s h a
[21:37:45] <vanquish> psha: er...hello there, good sir.
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[21:42:14] <psha> ?
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[21:42:26] <Tom_itx> he was curious about your bot
[21:42:34] <psha> ah, another one :]
[21:42:43] <Tom_itx> btw, thanks
[21:42:45] * psha a bit sleepy
[21:42:49] <psha> np
[21:42:50] <Tom_itx> no python experience here but it works
[21:42:52] <Tom_itx> :)
[21:43:14] <Tom_itx> it doesn't support nick passwords does it?
[21:43:40] <psha> nick passwords?
[21:43:43] <psha> it's logger man :)
[21:44:08] <Tom_itx> i had the nick registered and it wouldn't allow a password
[21:44:09] <psha> if you need channel housekeeping look at services or something better suited
[21:44:14] <psha> ah
[21:44:21] <psha> you need auth on connect?
[21:44:24] <Tom_itx> no it's fine once i figured that out
[21:44:27] <Tom_itx> no
[21:44:46] <Tom_itx> i just changed the nick
[21:44:48] <psha> i mean logger need to be authorized?
[21:45:01] <Tom_itx> not if it's an unregistered nick
[21:45:09] <Tom_itx> all mine were
[21:45:15] <psha> NICK_PASS
[21:45:16] <Tom_itx> and it kept barfing
[21:45:17] <Tom_itx> no
[21:45:20] <psha> in logbot
[21:45:25] <Tom_itx> since freenode uses nickserv
[21:45:38] <Tom_itx> it wouldn't work
[21:45:57] <Tom_itx> unless i'm going about it wrong
[21:46:11] <Tom_itx> but i tried NICK_PASS
[21:46:50] <psha> heh
[21:46:57] <psha> it's completely ignored :]
[21:47:17] <psha> so nothing strange it wont work
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[21:47:41] <psha> since codebase was derived from another logbod i'm not common with it
[21:47:48] <psha> just added some features
[21:48:38] <Tom_itx> seems there are some extra files i didn't use/need
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[22:59:32] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Are you in a position to test-run the 7i76 driver? Yours apparently has a later firmware than mine, and I am struggling to update my firmware.
[23:00:11] <Tom_itx> oh is that what all the usb boot was about?
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[23:38:32] <Jymmm> If you guys care... $2.79 and not bad for what it is... http://www.harborfreight.com/15-1-2-half-inch-heavy-duty-pry-bar-2529.html
[23:39:42] <Tom_itx> how could they screw up a prybar?
[23:40:02] <Tom_itx> i'm guessing it's not hardened as well
[23:40:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: It's HF, nuf said =)
[23:40:11] <andypugh> Well, I just tried booting Ye Olde Xeon machine from USB, and it worked a treat, and updated the card firmware with no drama at all.
[23:40:22] <Tom_itx> woot
[23:40:36] <Tom_itx> andypugh what did you do to make the boot stick?
[23:41:10] <Tom_itx> and how do you go about updating firmware on a mesa board?
[23:41:12] <Tom_itx> the usb port?
[23:41:18] <andypugh> In the end, Unetbootin, on my Mac, and freeDOS
[23:42:03] <andypugh> Download UnetBootin, select freeDOS, insert USB drive, press "burn"
[23:42:28] <Tom_itx> is that mac only?
[23:42:32] <andypugh> But it didn't work on the first drive I tried, so the flash drive matters
[23:42:38] <andypugh> No, mainly Linux
[23:43:19] <andypugh> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[23:43:19] <andypugh> ]
[23:43:26] <Tom_itx> if you wanted a dos boot would you need a boot floppy?
[23:44:14] <andypugh> You can use any random ISO as well as the built-in builds
[23:44:30] <andypugh> I used it to install EMC2 on my D510
[23:44:45] <Tom_itx> nice
[23:45:19] <andypugh> My problem yesterday was finding a "real" DOS, when freeDOS didn't work. Then I found that it was the PC. It seems that the Mesa flashing tool doesn't work on Atom.
[23:45:37] <Tom_itx> wonder why
[23:45:39] <andypugh> The Xeon machine ran the flasher fine on freeDOS
[23:46:08] <andypugh> Probably himem.sys emulation or some other very, very legacy DOS thing
[23:46:49] <Tom_itx> i wonder how i would make a floppy iso image of a boot floppy
[23:46:57] <Tom_itx> i've seen sites but never tried it
[23:48:11] <andypugh> You can download dos boot floppy iso files.
[23:51:11] <Jymmm> andypugh: You NEVER want a memory manager loaded when flashing BIOS
[23:51:18] <Jymmm> ro firmware
[23:51:21] <Jymmm> or
[23:51:31] <alex_joni> well, most of the time you need it
[23:51:43] <alex_joni> at least that has been my experience with flashing from dos
[23:51:45] <Jymmm> alex_joni: NEVER for flashing firmware
[23:52:01] <Jymmm> from dos
[23:52:04] <alex_joni> well.. we use it to flash OS-es for older robots
[23:52:10] <Jymmm> andypugh: And it's IMG files, not ISO's
[23:52:13] <alex_joni> not sure if it counts as firmware :)
[23:52:26] <Jymmm> alex_joni: probably not.
[23:52:40] <alex_joni> well.. technically it is
[23:52:42] <andypugh> Jymmm: The HP util uses IMG files, UnetBootin wants ISO files.
[23:53:05] <andypugh> I generally flash firmware over CAN.
[23:53:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: There are no ISO's for DOS. IMG files yes,not ISO's
[23:53:31] <andypugh> ISO is a format, it can contain any data required.
[23:53:45] <Jymmm> andypugh: Not for DOS
[23:53:54] <andypugh> Wh?
[23:53:57] <andypugh> Why?
[23:54:00] <Jymmm> andypugh: DOS requires a driver to read ISO's
[23:54:17] <Jymmm> ISO 9660 is a specification
[23:54:35] <andypugh> That's not the point, DOS isn't reading the ISO. DOS is the _contents_ of the ISO
[23:55:12] <Jymmm> andypugh: Yes, BURNED TO CD-R/USB which DOS can't boot from without a driver being loaded
[23:55:47] <andypugh> Which is where UnetBootin comes in, it writes the _contents_ of the ISO file to a flash drive in a bootable format.
[23:56:30] <Jymmm> andypugh: Fine, where's this DOS ISO file I can download?
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[23:56:51] <andypugh> Try google.
[23:57:05] <andypugh> I lost track of them, I have a desktop full.
[23:57:11] <Jymmm> andypugh: No, you said you had it, I say it doens't exist, so link please
[23:57:30] <Jymmm> andypugh: There is no such thing as a DOS ISO.
[23:58:08] <Jymmm> DOS IMG file, sure.
[23:59:12] <andypugh> I can't be bothered arguing with you. Certainly not enough to go searching the web for those files again. Your opinion on this matter is irrelevant to me.
[23:59:34] <Jymmm> andypugh: Not opinion, it's FACT.
[23:59:55] <Tom_itx> devil in the details