#emc | Logs for 2011-10-20

[00:00:54] <Danimal_garage|2> from what? masterscam?
[00:02:23] <elmo40> an already used system. full of tools and everything. I drew a line and tried to face mill it. i couldnt figure any of it out. at least with mastercam things are just 'there' ready to be used.
[00:02:45] <elmo40> the tutorials say to add this, drag that to there... and make a 'something' here >_<
[00:02:52] <Danimal_garage|2> ha
[00:02:53] <elmo40> such a joke. why is it still being used?
[00:03:01] <Danimal_garage|2> how much is it?
[00:03:05] <elmo40> no clue
[00:03:07] <Danimal_garage|2> as much as masterscam?
[00:03:10] <elmo40> prob 1/10 of mastercam
[00:03:15] <elmo40> nah, it is cheap shit
[00:03:15] <Tom_itx> cause somebody told management to get it?
[00:03:16] <Danimal_garage|2> there ya go
[00:03:24] <elmo40> Tom_itx: exactly
[00:03:36] <Tom_itx> i liked smartcam back when i was doing it steady
[00:03:39] <elmo40> i think HeeksCNC would have been a better 'investment'
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[00:03:47] <Tom_itx> had some features mastercam didn't have
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[00:03:54] <elmo40> just cant do 4th axis, thats a problem
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[00:04:05] <Tom_itx> what can't?
[00:04:46] <elmo40> heeks
[00:04:52] <Tom_itx> mmm
[00:05:07] <elmo40> we do a lot of vertical lathe stuff that has live tooling capabilities. C-axis rotation.
[00:05:12] <elmo40> heeks doesnt (yet)
[00:05:35] <Tom_itx> i considered going back and learning one of the current ones but i'm not gonna use it commercially so it would be a waste really
[00:05:50] <Tom_itx> ever look at surfcam?
[00:06:01] <Tom_itx> i had a friend that used it and liked it
[00:06:11] <Tom_itx> i liked the dnc part of it
[00:06:22] <Tom_itx> that's all i ever used of it
[00:07:00] <Tom_itx> http://www.surfware.com/
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[00:10:40] <Tom_itx> how many axis does heeks do?
[00:10:47] <Tom_itx> 3?
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[00:31:09] <Valen> Tom_itx: patches welcome i believe is the phrase ;->
[00:31:30] <Valen> the guy who makes it hangs out on this server as well
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[00:45:38] <elmo40> in #cam, but i havent seen him in a Long time
[00:46:36] <elmo40> they have a couple rooms, i believe. #heekscnc and #heekscam
[00:46:36] <elmo40> Thinkpad W520, quad core i7 laptop. $1600. :(
[00:46:37] <elmo40> such a sweet machine, though.
[00:46:37] <elmo40> maybe i can sell the dog :-P
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[01:40:02] <Jymmm> Valen: I wouldn't say more "robust".
[01:40:36] <Tom_itx> robust is a word used to describe boobs
[01:40:40] <Jymmm> Valen: the PRIMARY reason I use a mac is the disaster recovery.
[01:40:51] <Jymmm> Valen: Other than that, eh.
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[01:50:17] <Jymmm> Well, I got my "Uncle Bill's Splinter Gripper" tweezers today.
[01:54:26] <Tom_itx> is there a separate signal for tool touch and probe? i see the motion.probe-input one
[01:55:19] <Tom_itx> or is that for both
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[11:58:48] <jthornton> Jymmm: run your hand over some rough wood and test them out
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[14:38:27] * anonimasu wonders where pcw is
[14:39:02] <anonimasu> I have a question about the 7i40, is there any adapter rom the 10 pin headers into something else like dsub or maybe to a normal round cable or something?
[14:45:23] <archivist> on holiday I believe
[14:47:07] <A2Sheds> pcw left a week ago for vacation, I don't recall when he said he will return
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[14:55:28] <mrsun> woooha, soon i have hand dug everything i need in the outhouse =)
[14:55:48] <mrsun> 10 about 1m3 holes done, just one left =)
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[15:24:29] <jdhNC> did he ask for permission for vacation?
[15:25:56] <JT-Shop> anonimasu: he is on vacation
[15:48:53] <Tom_itx> do you use the same motion.probe-input for tool touch and probe?
[15:49:11] <Tom_itx> that's how i wired it anyway
[15:51:26] <Danimal_garage|2> hi
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[16:01:22] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: yea
[16:01:25] <JT-Shop> hi Dan
[16:01:42] <JT-Shop> what was the name of the surface grinder you like?
[16:01:55] <JT-Shop> I need to buy one before the end of the year :/
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[16:02:41] <Danimal_garage|2> Harig Super 612
[16:03:15] <Danimal_garage|2> there's a regular 612 as well, but the super has teflon coated ways
[16:03:50] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[16:04:18] <JT-Shop> thanks
[16:05:19] <Danimal_garage|2> i have the super 612, i don't think i've ever used a regular 612, but probably a half dozen supers
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[16:07:42] <jpka> Hi! I have some questions about troubles using Emcrsh program. Is there right place to ask, or i need #emc-devel?
[16:07:57] <JT-Shop> here is fine
[16:10:22] <jpka> i have lock-ups using it as described here. http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,38/id,13940/lang,english/#14072 i read documentation and wiki but it is not helpful, only i found is too few people uses Emcrsh and nobody has working setup. Maybe anybody here do ?
[16:11:47] <JT-Shop> jpka: you might have better luck on the mailing list as Andy suggested... but you never know who might happen by here
[16:12:24] <jpka> Thank you. i will use mailing list.
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[16:25:00] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage|2: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harig-Super-612-Hand-Feed-Surface-Grinder-/200292091746?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ea256c762
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[16:34:14] <Danimal_garage|2> JT-Shop: ouch
[16:34:33] <JT-Shop> stuff is higher on the right coast
[16:34:51] <Danimal_garage|2> no it isnt, i grew up there
[16:35:02] <Danimal_garage|2> in CT specifically
[16:35:18] <Danimal_garage|2> machines are about on par with CA there
[16:35:18] <JT-Shop> do you know the guy?
[16:35:30] <Danimal_garage|2> no
[16:35:50] <Danimal_garage|2> all the do in CT is manufacturing, aside from insurance
[16:36:03] <Danimal_garage|2> same with MA
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[16:36:43] <JT-Shop> everything else I found is 1k and looks like crap
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[16:36:55] <Danimal_garage|2> so does that one
[16:37:01] <JT-Shop> and they have < 100% feedback
[16:37:13] <Danimal_garage|2> that oil spill means the oil lines are all cracked
[16:37:28] <Danimal_garage|2> you can see the oil spilling down the front
[16:37:38] <JT-Shop> and down the sides too
[16:37:44] <Danimal_garage|2> who knows how long that thing has been running dry
[16:37:59] <JT-Shop> do they have an oil pump or something?
[16:38:02] <Danimal_garage|2> yes
[16:38:20] <Danimal_garage|2> there's an oil tank in the base (not the cabinent)
[16:38:30] <Danimal_garage|2> with a pump
[16:38:47] <Danimal_garage|2> a very expensive pump at that
[16:39:33] <Danimal_garage|2> there's oil lines right above where the oil stains are on the front, they get brittle and crack
[16:39:47] <JT-Shop> rubber oil lines?
[16:40:07] <Danimal_garage|2> they seem almost like plastic
[16:40:30] <Danimal_garage|2> if those crack, then the rest of the machine is not getting oil
[16:40:39] <JT-Shop> ouch
[16:40:46] <Danimal_garage|2> it needs some backpressure there to feed the ways everywhere else
[16:41:28] <JT-Shop> does it use the metering type of oilers?
[16:43:24] <Danimal_garage|2> it has a specific flow
[16:43:37] <Danimal_garage|2> constant flow
[16:43:54] <Danimal_garage|2> otherwise it'll overflow it
[16:45:20] <Danimal_garage|2> i completely went through mine when i got it
[16:46:44] <Danimal_garage|2> shit if he's getting 2k for that, i should sell mine
[16:46:58] <Danimal_garage|2> and buy another cheaper one
[16:47:59] <Danimal_garage|2> i never use it
[16:48:31] <Danimal_garage|2> ugh, time to walk the dogs
[16:51:09] <Danimal_garage|2> the funny part is they kept adding oil to it just to let it pump it out on the floor, it wasn't lubing the machine at all
[16:51:30] <Danimal_garage|2> except for maybe the cabinet
[16:51:41] <Danimal_garage|2> the hinges on the door work awesome
[16:53:54] <JT-Shop> thanks
[16:56:55] <Danimal_garage|2> there's a 6x18 kent for 650 here
[16:57:21] <Danimal_garage|2> http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bfs/2658519451.html
[16:58:39] <Danimal_garage|2> i dont think those are too bad
[16:59:32] <Danimal_garage|2> looks like it has a coolant pump. cant tell if there's power feed
[16:59:50] <Danimal_garage|2> there might be
[17:00:07] <archivist> that is the hydraulic isnt it
[17:00:39] <Danimal_garage|2> yea i think so
[17:00:44] <Danimal_garage|2> i see a few lines
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[17:01:54] <archivist> why i used to work we had a hydraulic capstan lathe, small taps to adjust the feeds
[17:02:00] <archivist> where
[17:02:23] <Danimal_garage|2> yea
[17:02:38] <Danimal_garage|2> there's a small feeler lathe like that at my tool supply shop
[17:03:36] <Danimal_garage|2> ok bbl, dog walking time
[17:03:45] <archivist> strange beast it was http://www.lathes.co.uk/britan/
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[17:12:20] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Just hard word from PCW, the 7i76 spindle connector pinout is approximately correct, except that all the polarities are wrong.
[17:13:01] <JT-Shop> ok, so the manual is wrong still?
[17:13:24] <JT-Shop> andypugh: thanks
[17:14:36] <andypugh> Yes, the one I just downloaded 30s ago is still wrong. Pete says > 1 SPIN- (Bottom) 2 SPINOUT 3 SPIN+ 4 NC 5 ENA- 6 ENA+ 7 DIR- 8 DIR+ (Top)
[17:16:16] <JT-Shop> ok, thanks
[17:24:07] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: I think I'l wait till the real deal =)
[17:24:50] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: come on give it a test run with something
[17:26:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ok, (tosses a cactus at you)
[17:27:11] <andypugh> I am thinking that Pete should try to arrange Mach3 support for the 5i25/7i76 combo.
[17:27:26] * Jymmm lol @ andypugh
[17:27:38] <JT-Shop> yea with the G540
[17:27:40] <andypugh> It would be a great upgrade for those unfortunates
[17:28:01] <JT-Shop> at least they would have good hardware
[17:28:03] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: They do hold damn well in the keychain clip that also protects the tip.
[17:28:35] <Jymmm> they will NEVER accidently come loose.
[17:30:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Wmy-Vws8L._AA1147_.jpg
[17:30:25] <JT-Shop> yea, I saw that
[17:30:32] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[17:31:14] <Jymmm> I found a place where you can get 3 pair for $15 with free shipping
[17:31:32] <JT-Shop> yea gifts for the holiday season
[17:31:58] <andypugh> What be that then?
[17:32:12] <JT-Shop> tweezers
[17:32:16] <Jymmm> andypugh: splinters
[17:32:21] <andypugh> Aha!
[17:32:27] <Jymmm> http://www.dailygrommet.com/products/339-uncle-bills-sliver-grippers-best-precision-stainless-steel-tweezers
[17:32:30] <andypugh> I have fingernails.
[17:32:33] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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[17:35:13] <andypugh> And when that fails, I have these from my days as an electron microscopist http://www.finescience.com/Special-Pages/Products.aspx?ProductId=340&CategoryId=29
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[17:36:06] <Jymmm> I have those too andypugh, I find the tips on them go wacko over the years
[17:36:46] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: are you sure it is the tips that go wacko over the years?
[17:37:20] <andypugh> Yeah, they need occasional straightening and sharpening. But the Dumont ones are pretty good.
[17:37:24] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Lil column a...
[17:37:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Ya gota be a lil crazy to survive in this world =)
[17:38:58] <Jymmm> I did hone the tip some, for when you have to dig
[17:39:33] <Jymmm> when you don't have a needle or razor blade
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[17:54:51] <robh__> my chnc is starting to look like a lathe again :)
[17:54:51] <robh__> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,30/id,14077/lang,english/#14077
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[18:02:56] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: is this "halui.jog.speed" the increment by pressing the left/right key for X axis
[18:04:24] <JT-Shop> halui.jog.N.minus
[18:04:26] <JT-Shop> pin for jogging axis N in negative direction at the halui.jog.speed velocity
[18:04:28] <JT-Shop> halui.jog.N.plus
[18:04:29] <JT-Shop> pin for jogging axis N in positive direction at the halui.jog.speed velocity
[18:05:32] <IchGucksLive> if i wat to set the increments 0.01 0.1 1 5 wher do i do this
[18:05:44] <IchGucksLive> for joging
[18:06:45] <andypugh> robh__: That's quite a servo on the turret.
[18:07:48] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[18:09:47] <robh__> andypugh, was what i had in the box of bits lo, beside a 100 or 200 is the same size frame
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[18:18:31] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: axisui.jog.increment
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[18:21:32] <Danimal_garage|2> robh__ that's a huge servo for the z
[18:22:05] <Danimal_garage|2> it dwarfs the tiny little brushed motor on my HNC
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[18:24:38] <robh__> only 1kw for X and Z but quite short servos so fits nice on X under the slide a standard length would not go i n when X is traveled over to the spindle
[18:25:38] <Danimal_garage|2> i wonder what the kw is on the servos on my HNC
[18:25:45] <mrsun> 15.95 for a couple of tweazers i can go down into the basement and make in half an hour? :P
[18:25:53] <mrsun> have to work two hours to buy it
[18:27:28] <JT-Shop> it would take me 8 hours to make one with all the engineering cad cam and machine time
[18:27:51] <mrsun> JT-Shop, haha =)
[18:30:24] <Danimal_garage|2> 12 billable hours
[18:30:46] <JT-Shop> yea
[18:30:48] <Danimal_garage|2> 4 hours for beer and bathroom breaks
[18:31:29] <JT-Shop> 3.5 hrs for beer and 0.5hrs for bathroom breaks... I don't have to go far to find a tree
[18:32:04] * JT-Shop really needs to make a pile of chips
[18:32:08] <Danimal_garage|2> lol
[18:32:11] <Danimal_garage|2> i am
[18:32:19] <Danimal_garage|2> machine's running right now
[18:32:27] <Danimal_garage|2> so is the anodizing
[18:32:40] <Danimal_garage|2> you need to learn to multi task
[18:33:49] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/yaxis/yassembly.JPG
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[18:35:01] <Danimal_garage|2> nobody likes a showoff
[18:35:06] <skunkworks> ;)
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[18:51:03] <tom3p> if i use m5i20 with SVST8_4 and CONFIG="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=0 num_pwmgens=0 num_stepgens=3"
[18:51:09] <tom3p> i get 3 STEP and 3 DIR signals listed in dmesg
[18:51:10] <tom3p> but I dont see anything in 'axis|hal config' or halmeter or halscope. how to monitor?
[18:51:39] <cradek> you can't monitor the step/dir lines because they are in the hardware, not in hal
[18:51:50] <cradek> you'd need to use a real scope to see them
[18:51:51] <tom3p> so its real scope time?
[18:51:54] <tom3p> yep
[18:51:55] <tom3p> thx
[18:52:09] <awallin_> you should see the inputs to the stepgens though (?)
[18:52:15] <cradek> yes
[18:52:18] <tom3p> it is surprising tho :)
[18:52:40] <cradek> for one thing, they can run much faster than hal threads, and they are not synced to the hal threads
[18:53:01] <tom3p> oh not synced is news, hadnt thought of that, thx
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[19:04:08] <andypugh> You can watch the pins as gpio, but what you will see won't tell you much.
[19:04:29] <tom3p> hmmm, resync.. the servo thread period should mark the update of speed and position... but not the edges of STEP & DIR, ok
[19:04:37] <andypugh> In fact, I suspect you won't see the steps at all
[19:05:04] <tom3p> andypugh, yeah, its funny to watch them as inputs (cuz thats whats in the list for halmeter )
[19:05:27] <tom3p> (the pin that should be an output)
[19:06:07] <tom3p> they work, then they dont, then they do... drove me crazy, then i got out the tek
[19:06:34] <tom3p> thx all
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[19:12:21] * JT-Shop needs to mount some speakers on the CHNC
[19:15:01] <jdhNC> chicks ain't nuthin' but bitches and hos
[19:15:13] <jdhNC> that made more sense in the correct channel.
[19:16:29] <Danimal_garage|2> speakers?
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[19:17:25] <TekniQue> bitches and hoes are like new clothes. Once you've got em you wish you never bought em
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[19:24:26] <JT-Shop> I like my ol hoe... she is still yellow
[19:24:32] <JT-Shop> in spots
[19:24:59] <Tom_itx> logger[mah]
[19:24:59] <logger[mah]> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23emc/2011-10-20.html
[19:25:38] <Tom_itx> ok, what did i miss?
[19:25:50] <Tom_itx> this pc needs the dust blown out of it
[19:26:01] <Tom_itx> it's been getting hot and locking up
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[19:27:19] <JT-Shop> yea so I can listen to music while I turn
[19:28:08] <Tom_itx> do you know what bot the loggers use?
[19:28:29] <Tom_itx> i need one in a couple channels
[19:28:37] <Tom_itx> they seem rather stable
[19:28:43] <JT-Shop> psha would know
[19:29:08] <Tom_itx> who has the other one?
[19:29:17] <psha> Tom_itx: mhaberler
[19:29:28] <psha> but they are equal
[19:29:34] <Tom_itx> k
[19:29:38] <JT-Shop> I must have rang psha bell :)
[19:29:41] <Tom_itx> linux i presume?
[19:29:46] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:29:59] <psha> python
[19:30:01] <psha> so no difference
[19:30:10] <Tom_itx> feel like sharing it?
[19:30:13] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/git/psha/logbot
[19:30:24] <psha> based on someone else bot but extended a bit
[19:30:29] <JT-Shop> I don't think mharberler's search works for some reason
[19:30:42] <Tom_itx> i just need something to log a couple channels
[19:30:48] <Tom_itx> nothing fancy
[19:31:21] <psha> JT-Shop: search is broken there but it's not part of logbut
[19:31:30] <Tom_itx> mmm i wonder if i know Pavel or maybe it's another one
[19:31:32] <psha> but indexer script + small web interface
[19:31:42] <JT-Shop> didn't know
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[19:32:00] <psha> logger just stores .html files
[19:32:03] <psha> that's all it does
[19:32:10] <psha> and replies to requests with link
[19:32:34] <psha> Tom_itx: probably yes, probably not :]
[19:32:53] <Tom_itx> no i forget his last name but it was somebody else
[19:33:14] <psha> it would be strange since i'm not traveling much
[19:40:35] <Tom_itx> Pisa was his name
[19:40:47] <Tom_itx> he worked with moto 68332... that was it
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[19:44:56] <Danimal_garage|2> JT-Shop: i just put speakers in the ceiling above the major machines i use
[19:45:08] <Danimal_garage|2> ah, the HNC is now clean
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[19:45:32] <Danimal_garage|2> i cleaned it because i wanted to take a small video clip of the manufacturing of a chainring for my site
[19:45:58] <Tom_itx> heh
[19:46:09] <Tom_itx> don't want no dirty machines in the video
[19:46:22] <Tom_itx> sign of actual work
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[19:51:39] <Danimal_garage|2> ha
[19:52:00] <Danimal_garage|2> well customers aren't machinists, all the see is dirty machine = piece of crap
[19:52:07] <Tom_itx> make sure you wear your lab coat too:)
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[19:52:19] <andypugh> And a shirt and tie. Maybe a bowler hat.
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[19:52:27] <Danimal_garage|2> hahaha just like the hardinge brochure i have!
[19:52:43] <Danimal_garage|2> white lab coat and glasses
[19:52:53] <Danimal_garage|2> circa 1978
[19:53:02] <andypugh> Only the foremen wore bowlers, but I guess you are the foreman in your shop?
[19:53:15] <andypugh> (And I am talking 1930s)
[19:53:17] <Danimal_garage|2> standing next to the 7' tall 750lb controler
[19:53:35] <Danimal_garage|2> more like the foreskin
[19:53:42] <MattyMatt> and smoking a pipe, to show you're a craftsman (1920s now)
[19:53:50] <Danimal_garage|2> ha
[19:54:37] <Tom_itx> psha do you know what chmod is required for those dirs to be visible?
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[19:58:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: x
[19:58:21] <Jymmm> execute bit
[19:58:34] <Jymmm> 7
[19:58:52] <Tom_itx> no 777?
[19:58:53] <Jymmm> if you want RWX
[19:59:04] <Jymmm> On the folder, sure
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[19:59:19] <Jymmm> just not execute on the files
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[20:00:25] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/oldkandt.JPG
[20:00:48] <skunkworks> that would have been mid to late 60's I think
[20:00:57] <Jymmm> skunkworks: See, it has PANDUIT!!!
[20:02:47] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage|2, slick your hair back like that too
[20:03:06] <skunkworks> they did some cool tiling.. THis is how it was shipped to the original buyer.. http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/decking2.jpg
[20:03:38] <Danimal_garage|2> haha
[20:03:44] <skunkworks> (it only took us 20 years to get those plates installed...
[20:04:11] <Danimal_garage|2> nice
[20:04:27] <Danimal_garage|2> how long have you had the machine?
[20:04:38] <skunkworks> about 25 years ;)
[20:05:06] <Danimal_garage|2> ah, did you run it with the old control before?
[20:05:30] <skunkworks> we got it put back together about 20 years ago - then that old control died about 5 or so years ago.
[20:05:43] <skunkworks> yes
[20:05:48] <Danimal_garage|2> ah
[20:05:55] <Danimal_garage|2> cool
[20:06:02] <Danimal_garage|2> how old is it?
[20:06:05] <skunkworks> it is so much nicer with emc
[20:06:08] <Danimal_garage|2> mid 70's?
[20:06:13] <Danimal_garage|2> i bet!
[20:06:22] <skunkworks> it was delivered to the original mfg plant in 69
[20:06:48] <Danimal_garage|2> thats right... wow... 9 years older than my hardinge, and i thought that was bad
[20:06:53] <skunkworks> heh
[20:06:57] <skunkworks> good solid machine
[20:07:04] <skunkworks> 3 inch ball screws
[20:07:10] <skunkworks> roller ways.
[20:07:37] <skunkworks> and we have an extra for parts ;)
[20:09:21] <Danimal_garage|2> nice
[20:09:32] <Danimal_garage|2> yea i love the hardinge with emc, such a solid machine
[20:09:35] <Danimal_garage|2> for it's size
[20:09:44] <Danimal_garage|2> cant beat the oldies
[20:09:55] <andypugh> I have been sent some firmware flashing utils, but I need to run them from DOS
[20:09:58] <skunkworks> nope - cheap and solid
[20:10:03] <Danimal_garage|2> even my shizuoka is better than most any knee mill today, and that's early 80's
[20:10:18] <andypugh> Which is proving tricky
[20:10:18] <Danimal_garage|2> giant chrome box ways
[20:14:07] <skunkworks> andypugh: no dos anymore? ;)
[20:14:17] <andypugh> Never have had
[20:15:13] <Danimal_garage|2> sweet, my video came out pretty decent
[20:15:18] <Danimal_garage|2> time to edit and post it
[20:17:35] <skunkworks> maybe wine in ubuntu?
[20:19:28] <MattyMatt> you'll have to boot DOS, or freedos, or win 9x recoverydisk
[20:19:49] <MattyMatt> wine or any vm/emu won't have direct hardware access
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[20:20:42] <Jymmm> andypugh: firmware for what?
[20:21:08] <Jymmm> andypugh: flashing the BIOS on a mobo?
[20:21:16] <andypugh> Flashing Mesa cards
[20:21:47] <Jymmm> andypugh: http://sysresccd.org has a DOS boot option specifically for flashing firmware.
[20:21:49] <andypugh> I tried a FreeDOS usb stick from Unetbootin, no luck.
[20:23:36] <Jymmm> It's freeDOS as well fwiw
[20:23:49] <Jymmm> burn the iso to a cd-r
[20:24:02] <skunkworks> if you had a windows 98 cd...
[20:24:26] <MattyMatt> I have 98 cd and 98 lappy
[20:24:47] <MattyMatt> can you make an iso from a floppy?
[20:25:00] <andypugh> I have an iso, from the internet
[20:25:12] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: You can create an IMG file of a fdd, but not an ISO
[20:25:21] <Tom_itx> andy, i have an iso of utilities that boots dos if you want it
[20:25:39] <andypugh> The ISO is not the problem, I have one
[20:25:53] <andypugh> It's getting that onto a bootable USB stick
[20:25:59] <MattyMatt> boot from cd
[20:26:02] <Jymmm> andypugh: burn a cd-r
[20:26:21] <andypugh> The PC has no CD drive
[20:26:23] <skunkworks> but andy also has to get files on and off of something...
[20:26:37] <MattyMatt> I'd quite like a an iso to usb myself
[20:26:49] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: That I have
[20:27:37] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: http://www.amazon.com/Zalman-VE200-B-Black-Drive-Enclosure/dp/B004TO3XZW
[20:27:52] <MattyMatt> http://www.isotousb.com/
[20:28:06] <MattyMatt> mm, sometimes you just need to state the problem clearly :)
[20:28:25] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: that link is the same as what unnetbootin does.
[20:29:05] <MattyMatt> it's another one to try
[20:29:24] <andypugh> Except UnetBootin tries to boot with syslinux, and that appears not to work
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[20:31:21] <MattyMatt> get any 98 iso, put on usb with isotousb, and catch that with F8 to enter console mode
[20:31:30] <MattyMatt> that's DOS 7.0
[20:31:51] <andypugh> "IsoToUSB" says "can not create bootable disk"
[20:32:09] <MattyMatt> aaargh. plan B then
[20:32:52] <Tom_itx> andypugh, you need to create a bootable iso?
[20:33:28] <andypugh> The Olde Faithful HP Util looks like it might have worked.
[20:33:49] <MattyMatt> I can image my 98 lappy hdd (6GB) with dd, and you could could write that on usb with dd
[20:34:22] <MattyMatt> assuming my lappy is fat16
[20:34:48] <MattyMatt> ah that doesn't matter, you can put any fs on a usb stick
[20:35:34] <MattyMatt> wanna 6GB email?
[20:36:32] <andypugh> gah! Non-system disk or disk error!
[20:36:46] <andypugh> I have done this before. Why is it harder this time?
[20:37:27] <MattyMatt> bitrot. do you even have a floppy drive?
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[20:39:59] <andypugh> I have not had a floppy drive for decades
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[20:42:31] <skunkworks> andypugh: does this help?
[20:42:33] <skunkworks> http://bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm
[20:42:37] <Tom_itx> i keep one for such occasions
[20:42:50] <andypugh> That is the site I have been on for the last hour or so.
[20:42:55] <MattyMatt> awww. I just found 6.2 disc 1, but it's gummed up w coffee
[20:43:07] <MattyMatt> stupid floppies
[20:43:11] <Tom_itx> i've got dos back to 1.2
[20:43:29] <Tom_itx> 6.22 was the last before windoz
[20:44:27] <MattyMatt> yep the last full version
[20:44:45] <skunkworks> andypugh: heh
[20:45:57] <andypugh> I am glad I am working in a VM, some of the websites I am ending up on are very dodgy.
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[20:56:54] <MattyMatt> don't mesa have alternate non-dos arrangments?
[20:57:09] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/138719-need_benchtop_cnc_w_external.html
[20:57:39] <cradek> last I remember, you could boot freedos from the cd
[21:01:29] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage|2: just sell me your Harig and you could get another one
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[21:04:15] <psha> Tom_itx: 755 usually is enought
[21:04:21] <MattyMatt> Linux users may be interested in sys-freedos-linux as a way to SYS your disk image directly from Linux. (Requires perl.)
[21:04:26] <psha> giving +w to all is not good idea
[21:04:32] <Danimal_garage|2> JT-Shop: ha!
[21:04:34] <Tom_itx> nope
[21:04:50] <MattyMatt> SYS = dos command to make disk bootable
[21:04:52] <Danimal_garage|2> JT-Shop: i got mine for $300 in near perfect condition
[21:05:00] <psha> and now - time to sleep
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[21:05:05] <Danimal_garage|2> barely any paint wear
[21:05:06] <Tom_itx> thanks
[21:06:20] <Danimal_garage|2> JT-Shop: i actually got paid to take it because the cabinet smacked the side of the bed of my truck and put a dent in it. insurance cut me a nice check for that
[21:06:34] <Danimal_garage|2> i bet you hate me now :)
[21:09:00] <JT-Shop> naw
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[21:10:18] <Danimal_garage|2> a eucaliptus tree fell on that truck shortly after and totalled it out once and for all.
[21:10:34] <Danimal_garage|2> while i was driving it
[21:11:18] <jthornton> ouch
[21:12:10] <Danimal_garage|2> eh, it was still drivable, just dented every pannel and shattered the winshield
[21:12:22] <Tom_itx> apparently you survived
[21:13:56] <Danimal_garage|2> yea, i was going slow
[21:14:05] <Danimal_garage|2> pulling out of a parkinglot
[21:14:54] <andypugh> Well, I got booted into DOS. But "Timeout waiting for SPI shift register" probably means it was a waste of time.
[21:16:48] <Danimal_garage|2> i only got the top of the tree, another car got the trunk
[21:17:03] <Danimal_garage|2> that car was crushed just forward of the steering wheel
[21:17:17] <Danimal_garage|2> they only got some cuts and bruises
[21:18:08] <MattyMatt> andypugh do you need a jtag to the parport?
[21:19:08] <MattyMatt> isn't SPI what jtag uses?
[21:21:05] <MattyMatt> they use the same header on an arduino anyway
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[21:23:04] <MattyMatt> or is there a WP jumper on the card? that'd be more sensible way to protect it
[21:23:56] <MattyMatt> but you'd expect a better message from the flasher software in that case
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[21:25:38] <andypugh> It might have been low voltage all along.
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[21:54:08] <Tom_itx> log
[21:54:13] <Tom_itx> logger[mah]
[21:54:13] <logger[mah]> Tom_itx: Log stored at http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23emc/2011-10-20.html
[21:54:20] <Tom_itx> logger[psha]
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[21:58:29] <JT-Shop> comparing logs?
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[22:00:18] <Tom_itx> no i hit the wrong one
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[22:44:14] <Danimal_garage|2> let's have a log-off!
[22:46:37] <mendelbuild> MattyMatt: doing any milling these days ? :)
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[23:03:40] <jsr> I just installed the 8.04 distro with EMC2, and now I don't seem to be able to use the comp. It says command not found.
[23:05:53] <jsr> Do I have to run it in a certain directory?
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[23:07:12] <jsr> I thought I remembered it being able to be run from any directory, and it was useful to run it from the same directory the .comp was in.
[23:07:42] <jsr> The manual doesn't mention having it in a certain directory, at least not that I could find.
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[23:23:22] <andypugh> jsr install from scratch?
[23:23:42] <andypugh> Sorry that wasn't clear. Did you install from scratch?
[23:24:11] <andypugh> and by "comp" do you mean the preprocessor?
[23:25:29] <andypugh> jsr: You should be able to run comp from any directory, but you might need to setup the environment first. Also, I am not entirely sure that you get it without the emc-dev package.
[23:25:49] <jsr> Yes, it ws from scratch - using the old live CD, and 'comp is the build command for components to create hal devices
[23:26:54] <jsr> You're starting to jog my memory. I think I did change to the dev, but I don't remember why.
[23:27:22] <andypugh> sudo apt-get install emc2-dev
[23:27:41] <jsr> thnx
[23:35:58] <MattyMatt> mendelbuild no. I just bought a drill press to make new mill parts tho
[23:36:48] <MattyMatt> in aluminium instead of wood
[23:37:29] <MattyMatt> It never occured to me that alu would be cheaper per cube than mild steel
[23:37:52] <MattyMatt> so I get more stiffness per $ with alu
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[23:48:29] * JT-Shop needs a #5
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[23:58:42] <Danimal_garage|2> tap?