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[05:41:56] <A2Sheds> interesting latency test results with EMC running in Virtual Box, servo thread 12,244,089, Base 78,775
[05:45:16] <A2Sheds> even worse now, servo 183,020,083 base 271066
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[06:04:44] <awallin_> A2Sheds: what did you expect on a virtualbox?
[06:05:25] <A2Sheds> the difference between the two threads was the surprise
[06:06:08] <A2Sheds> 3 orders of magnitude
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[06:35:00] <Loetmichel> moin
[06:35:14] <Loetmichel> ehrm... mornin'
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[07:10:38] <Jymmm> jthornton: You need to build one of these... Coolest garage door... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykWbEchewAo&NR=1
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[09:30:14] <scanf> Hello
[09:30:18] <scanf> doing a little testing here
[09:31:07] <scanf> i have 9 wires pins 2-11 soldered to a db25, i have a stepper hooked to a driver board, i should be able to hook up wires 2 and 3 to step/dir and get EMC to spin that axis
[09:31:10] <scanf> correct?
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[10:05:04] <cpresser> scanf: depends on your configuration. look into the hal-file. it says which pins (step/dir/...) are connected to which parport-output
[10:30:04] <scanf> pin 25 is the only thing i need to ground right?
[10:31:07] <cpresser> 18-25 are all ground. just take them all to be sure
[10:31:50] <scanf> my cable only has pin 25 and pins 2-11
[10:48:17] <Valen> guess its been done for you
[10:48:27] <Valen> or somebody cheaped out lol
[10:50:11] <scanf> hmm
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[13:53:50] <|n0b0dy|> how prone are stepper motors and stepper drivers to interference from power? my stepper drivers are setup like XY|Z where | is the power running between them ...
[14:00:26] <cradek> it really depends. there are all sorts of ways you can get interference, but I don't think wires running nearby is one of the big ways
[14:01:04] <cradek> there are huge threads on the mailing list about proper grounding and what goes wrong if you don't have it. everyone should read those! I'm hoping gene h writes a book on grounding one of these days.
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[14:12:37] <skunkworks> heh
[14:12:44] <skunkworks> that would be awesome
[14:13:22] <Loetmichel> |n0b0dy|: the power lines alre not prone to interfrerence
[14:13:43] <Loetmichel> but the Step/direction lines to the drivers from the parallel port are
[14:14:24] <JT-Shop> EMC Manuals translated to Chinese http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,37/id,13988/lang,english/
[14:22:01] * cpresser needs to really polish his chinese in order to read even the headline
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[14:39:42] <awallin_> any new pics/info on the mini 5-axis by PMC ?
[14:43:56] <skunkworks> not that I have seen
[14:44:50] <|n0b0dy|> okay well the power runs under the signal lines too
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[14:52:24] <|n0b0dy|> you've seen a potato gun...
[14:52:25] <|n0b0dy|> http://www.instructables.com/id/Bungee-Bazooka/
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[15:27:07] <Danimal_garage> hi
[15:30:28] <Jymmm> jthornton: You need to build one of these... Coolest garage door... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykWbEchewAo&NR=1
[15:30:36] <Jymmm> hola Danimal_garage
[15:32:39] <Danimal_garage> how goes it
[15:34:28] <Jymmm> |n0b0dy|: Not bad I guess, might be better as a t-shirt gun . I prefer spud a la Compessed Nitrogen Gas =)
[15:34:41] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Not too shabby thus far =)
[15:35:24] <Danimal_garage> too many margaritas saturday :( still feeling it
[15:35:38] <Jymmm> hair of the dawg
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[15:37:03] <Danimal_garage> getting too old for that crap
[15:37:08] <Danimal_garage> lol
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[15:44:11] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Even JT-Shop is working on end of the world weapon, you're never too old for flying projectiles!
[15:44:34] <Danimal_garage> haha
[15:44:44] <Danimal_garage> in my case it was crap meat
[15:45:31] <Jymmm> I made a 7ft 2.5" diam syringe once, Shoots 60ft too
[15:45:43] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[15:56:34] <skunkworks> best projectile for potato gun - ripe hickory nuts.
[15:57:09] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[15:57:32] <Loetmichel> <- *google* "hickorey nuts"
[15:57:41] <skunkworks> also - if doing the combustion style potato gun - multi spark gaps thoughout the chamber really helps the speed of the explostion
[15:58:25] <Jymmm> how did you find that out?
[15:58:47] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: sounds like "learning by doing"
[15:58:48] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:58:49] <skunkworks> R&D ;)
[15:59:07] <Danimal_garage> what else do they have to do in the middle of nowhere lol
[15:59:09] <Jymmm> skunkworks: how did you sync them?
[15:59:23] <Danimal_garage> you shouldnt need to
[15:59:24] <skunkworks> I made the gaps all in series
[15:59:53] <Jymmm> battery?or bbw igniter
[15:59:56] <Jymmm> bbq
[16:00:00] <Danimal_garage> the fuel won't get to the spark until the projectile passes the spark plug
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[16:00:14] * Loetmichel is building a coil gun for fun.
[16:00:14] <Danimal_garage> big beutiful woman ignitor?
[16:00:18] <skunkworks> I used a grill igniter
[16:00:54] <Loetmichel> but with 4 coils in series and some electronics for triggering them in time
[16:01:16] <skunkworks> I made a small rail gun in high scool. (single coil) would shoot a BB though a few sheets of paper ;)
[16:01:17] <Loetmichel> ... and a cap charger which niedds 1s for charging al 4 cap-banks ;-)
[16:01:27] <Loetmichel> needs
[16:01:37] <Loetmichel> +less
[16:01:54] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: rail gunb or coil gun?
[16:02:18] <skunkworks> rail I assume - don't know what a coil gun is
[16:02:27] * Loetmichel will accelereate broken TC bits/1/8" shafts
[16:03:02] <Loetmichel> railgun is with 2 power rails and the "bullet" is conducting in between
[16:03:47] <Loetmichel> Coilgun is the one with one or more coils oitside a plastcs tube to accelereate frerromagnetic projectiles ;-)
[16:04:33] <skunkworks> ah - then a coil gun. (think I used a copper tube though - or was it brass)
[16:04:57] <Loetmichel> i was stunned to see that TC bits are ferromagnetic
[16:05:10] <Loetmichel> i thought Tungsten isnt magnetic?
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[16:18:06] <Danimal_garage> holy crap i can see my work bench again!
[16:18:12] <Danimal_garage> and the floor around it
[16:18:27] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: WAKE UP!!!
[16:19:26] <Danimal_garage> i'm telling the truth!
[16:19:47] <Jymmm> Believe all you want while dreaming
[16:20:13] <Danimal_garage> maybe i'll tackle the bandsaw next.
[16:20:21] <Danimal_garage> all that ti in there is a fire hazard
[16:20:28] <Danimal_garage> ti wool
[16:20:46] <Jymmm> tinder!
[16:31:40] <Danimal_garage> bandsaw clean!
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[16:45:25] <Danimal_garage> and now so is the floor
[16:45:30] <Danimal_garage> :)
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[16:54:50] <fragalot> Anyone here in belgium that wants to get rid of a small lathe? :P
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[16:57:07] <IchGucksLive> Hi all
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[17:39:11] <JT-Shop> YEA! the garden shed has been moved to the new resting spot
[17:40:51] <skunkworks> yay
[17:43:21] <Danimal_garage> yay!
[17:50:27] <JT-Shop> dang thing was heavier than I thought... really had to put out to raise one side with the 3 ton floor jack
[17:51:58] <Danimal_garage> wow
[17:52:01] <Danimal_garage> wood?
[17:52:41] <JT-Shop> 12' x 16' T1-11 siding screwed on... composite roof and a ton of junk inside
[17:53:37] <Danimal_garage> ah
[17:53:42] <Danimal_garage> how did you movei t?
[17:53:47] <Danimal_garage> how far?
[17:54:23] <JT-Shop> with equipment rollers about 20'
[17:54:44] <JT-Shop> and a come-a-long
[17:55:06] <JT-Shop> oh and a portable tree to tie the chain to
[17:55:20] <Danimal_garage> portable tree?
[17:55:30] <JT-Shop> backhoe
[17:55:34] <Danimal_garage> ah
[17:55:45] <JT-Shop> it don't move with a come-a-long
[17:55:51] <Danimal_garage> sounds like how i mived my shizuoka, minus the backhoe
[17:56:30] <Danimal_garage> the hardinge is nice, it can be moved by hand
[17:56:35] <JT-Shop> if there is a will there is a way
[17:57:07] <Danimal_garage> i just spray a little car detailer on the floor, glides right along
[17:57:12] <Danimal_garage> :)
[17:57:13] <JT-Shop> all mine can be moved by hand... on the jack or gantry crane or a couple of come-a-longs
[17:57:21] <Danimal_garage> lol
[17:57:31] <Danimal_garage> i mean my just pushing it on the floor
[17:57:55] <JT-Shop> the HCN is that lite?
[17:58:11] <Loetmichel> haaaaayeah... nothing better tan sitting in the hot bathtub with eukalyptus oil if having a bad cold...
[17:58:32] * JT-Shop goes to make a few holes in some parts
[17:58:33] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: 2200lbs i think
[17:58:37] <Loetmichel> <- lets som more hot water in the tub ;-)
[17:58:42] <Danimal_garage> i can move the b-port by hand too
[17:59:40] <Danimal_garage> i can't move the shizuoka or the manual lathe though... not without rollers or something
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[18:03:16] <Danimal_garage> Loetmichel: creepy. too much information.
[18:03:55] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage: why?
[18:04:12] <Loetmichel> 'cause i am sitting in the tub typing?
[18:28:30] <Danimal_garage> yay, lathe ops are done for these parts
[18:36:31] <JT-Shop> YEA!
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[18:40:12] <Danimal_garage> and of course my 1/2" ball endmill is shot, so i gotta run and pick one up before i can finish the mill op
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[18:43:21] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, did you notice that mill i posted near you?
[18:43:36] <andypugh> Can you post a mill near me?
[18:43:48] <Tom_itx> it was $500
[18:43:50] <Tom_itx> bridgeport
[18:43:55] <Tom_itx> like
[18:44:32] <andypugh> Sounds bargain-tastic
[18:45:20] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/YFM-9-x-42-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINE-8-SPEED-/160665810456
[18:45:31] <Tom_itx> woops $100 more now
[18:47:07] <andypugh> Still looks like a good buy, but with 17 bids already, I expect to see it make $1500 by close of auction.
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[20:09:06] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: no i didnt!
[20:09:50] <Danimal_garage> ah, i already have a decent manual mill
[20:10:00] <Danimal_garage> could use another cnc mill though :)
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[20:22:16] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: do you use LED or fluorescent ring light on your microscope?
[20:34:28] <Danimal_garage> hmmm i need to find some lead sheet for the cathodes in my new anodizing tank (when i get it)
[20:35:14] <andypugh> How big?
[20:37:08] <ve7it> Danimal_garage, go see a sheet metal shop or roofing guy. I just updated all the flashing on my tile roof with lead sheet. It was about 1.5mm thick, easy to cut to size
[20:37:22] <Danimal_garage> 4 pieces, about 12"x19"
[20:37:45] <Danimal_garage> ve7it: thanks, thats where i got it before (roofing place)
[20:38:14] <andypugh> You can almost certainly buy 12" lead flashing form Builders' merchants
[20:38:18] <ve7it> where are you... I still have about a 30kg roll
[20:38:21] <Danimal_garage> their sizing wasnt ideal though
[20:38:27] <Danimal_garage> san diego, ca
[20:38:30] <Danimal_garage> usa
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[20:38:48] <andypugh> You should be able to FAX a roll :-)
[20:38:57] <mrsun> a
[20:38:59] <Danimal_garage> ha
[20:39:04] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, you should swing by and check it out to see if it's any good
[20:39:32] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, i use the flourescent magnifier in my desk light
[20:39:42] <ve7it> it comes in 3' wide rolls, but for most flashing, one cuts it into 12" wide rolls and then lengths as required for step flashings
[20:39:49] <JT-Shop> ok
[20:39:53] <Tom_itx> i made a led thing but i don't use it
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[20:40:12] <andypugh> Over here it comes in various widths, from 6" upwards.
[20:40:13] <Danimal_garage> Tom_itx: it's a bit far
[20:40:18] <Tom_itx> oh
[20:40:21] <Danimal_garage> ve7it: where are you?
[20:40:23] <Tom_itx> Jymmm said you sere close
[20:40:28] <Tom_itx> were*
[20:40:40] <Danimal_garage> southern california is large
[20:40:49] <Danimal_garage> it's probably at least 100 miles away
[20:41:18] <andypugh> Danimal_garage: http://www.wickes.co.uk/roofing/lead-sheets/icat/rfleadsheets/
[20:41:33] <andypugh> Cheap it is not
[20:41:48] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/scope/led_front.jpg
[20:41:55] * robin_sz wakes up
[20:42:01] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/scope/led_harness_on.jpg
[20:42:22] * robin_sz has been playing with his laser pointer :)
[20:42:25] <Tom_itx> each board has a couple drive transistors with the base on the trim pot
[20:42:48] <JT-Shop> http://www.amscope.com/Picture-LED-144-YK-1
[20:43:17] <Tom_itx> i saw those
[20:43:24] <robin_sz> https://picasaweb.google.com/robin.szemeti/Laserscope#5664454090394509426
[20:43:25] <Tom_itx> the leds i had were free as were the boards
[20:43:48] <JT-Shop> I'm giving that one a go as I'm out of LED's and boards :)
[20:43:50] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/scope/scope1.jpg
[20:44:03] <Tom_itx> the flourescent actually works fine
[20:44:35] <Tom_itx> make sure the ring clamp is the right size
[20:44:40] <JT-Shop> I have a desk light with a screw in fluorescent but ran out of desk to put it on :/
[20:44:52] <Tom_itx> i'm to that point
[20:44:58] <Tom_itx> as you can see in the pic
[20:45:07] <robin_sz> amateurs
[20:45:13] <Tom_itx> 4 monitors + the tv behind em
[20:45:21] <robin_sz> you are still on the first layer
[20:45:28] <robin_sz> start stacking :)
[20:45:54] <JT-Shop> I'm stacked up to the desk next to it and that is what the light is sitting on now :)
[20:46:02] <Tom_itx> i have to do office work there too
[20:46:12] <robin_sz> how deep is the crap on the desk?
[20:46:16] <robin_sz> more than 6"?
[20:46:22] <JT-Shop> no crap, all good stuff
[20:46:23] <Tom_itx> sometimes
[20:46:35] <robin_sz> thats a good start then
[20:46:40] <robin_sz> can you see the floor?
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[20:46:48] <andypugh> robin_sz: I guess you could use some self-levelling compound to make a writing surface?
[20:46:49] <Tom_itx> what floor?
[20:47:02] <robin_sz> sounds like a good effort then
[20:47:02] <Tom_itx> there's a worn path
[20:47:15] <robin_sz> andypugh, did I mention I got the Ducati on the road?
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[20:47:41] <robin_sz> andypugh, and on the first run after the MOT overtook an unmarked police video car?
[20:48:07] <andypugh> "The bike made me do it, officer"?
[20:48:14] <Danimal_garage> lol
[20:48:14] <robin_sz> yeah, that one
[20:48:25] <ve7it> Danimal_garage, well.. probably at least 24hr drive from you... Vancouver Island in Canada
[20:48:37] <Danimal_garage> ahh
[20:48:52] <robin_sz> they said "we are trying to do a video run for the cornoners office, and first time we manage to get a clear run at this section, some idiot catches us and overtakes us .."
[20:48:53] <Danimal_garage> probably not worth shipping
[20:49:10] <robin_sz> there was a bike fatality the previous week
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[20:51:52] <andypugh> Ooops
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[20:52:22] <andypugh> You should have produced an Equity card and demanded your fee.
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[20:55:31] <Danimal_garage> i think i'm going to get one of those plastic garage sinks for my anodizing tank
[20:56:21] <Danimal_garage> i should be able to double my capacity with one of those
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[21:11:55] * JT-Shop goes to get a glass of wine before drilling a HUGE hole in the trunk of the Wing :/
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[21:12:15] <elmo40> wow. 82 nicks? Crazy!
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[21:20:18] <Danimal_garage> why a hole?
[21:21:08] <andypugh> JT-Shop: You want to carry a dog in the back?
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[21:24:34] <micges> elmo40: it was above 100 nicks few times :)
[21:33:02] <JT-Shop> andypugh: no, installing my BikeMP3 player... it has been in a plastic bag under the seat for a few months
[21:33:35] <JT-Shop> it plugs into the CD plug and has rather large plugs on each end of the cable
[21:34:04] <JT-Shop> now I have to make a hole plug
[21:34:12] <andypugh> Pity, I had visions of a dog-head sized hole in the top of the box, with a hole-sized dog head poking out.
[21:35:08] <JT-Shop> that would be cool but my dog is bigger than the trunk
[21:35:53] <elmo40> JT-Shop: i thought this world was almost all wireless... ;)
[21:36:24] <elmo40> micges: interesting. 100 you say. how many were bots (logger*)
[21:37:26] <micges> many I think :)
[21:38:12] <elmo40> i am looking for a tapping cycle for a lathe. Where do i put M29? before or in the g84 command?
[21:38:23] * JT-Shop wonders what elmo40 is talking about???
[21:38:48] <elmo40> your bikeMP# player
[21:39:02] <elmo40> why cables? isnt it powered by battery? why not use bt headphones ;)
[21:39:35] <JT-Shop> it plugs into my CD plug so I can change tracks from the handle bar switches while I ride
[21:39:37] <andypugh> elmo40: M29?
[21:40:29] <JT-Shop> elmo40: rigid tapping?
[21:40:35] <elmo40> ive been reading many sites. some say m29 others m51... i have a mori seiki with fanuc controller. i can thread but having issues with tapping.
[21:40:56] <andypugh> Ah, not EMC2 then?
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[21:41:29] <andypugh> I think it would be G33 with EMC2
[21:41:59] <andypugh> No, sorry, G33.1
[21:46:40] <JT-Shop> I have a DX32 control if that helps
[21:49:49] <JT-Shop> it has a Fanuc mode for tapping
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[22:00:27] <JT-Shop> now I just have to figure out how to make the plug...
[22:05:17] <andypugh> 4 half-circles of Ali with 8 holes, a rubber disc sandwiched between them sized to squeeze out into the hole, and in onto the cable, and 8 screws?
[22:05:56] <andypugh> I am assuming that total waterproofness is called for?
[22:08:14] <Danimal_garage> duct tape
[22:12:54] <JT-Shop> andypugh: yea pretty much water/dust proof is the ticket
[22:14:25] <andypugh> Well, that should work. The rubber disc needs to be the same size as the hole and a shade thicker than the box. The ali plates need to be a few mm bigger than the hole. The screws go through the rubber, not the box.
[22:16:49] <JT-Shop> something like this made from Delrin http://imagebin.org/179544
[22:17:43] <JT-Shop> the hole is under the seat on top of the inner fender so dust tight is good enough
[22:18:37] <andypugh> That will work too. My idea is more hermetic.
[22:19:11] <JT-Shop> yes it is
[22:19:38] <andypugh> I am quite hermetic myself :-)
[22:19:44] <JT-Shop> :)
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[22:20:28] <JT-Shop> interesting factoid "The process used a secret seal whose invention was attributed to the legendary patron of alchemy, Hermes Trismegistos."
[22:21:30] <andypugh> Actually, I seem to have misunderstood the meaning of the word, it seems totally unrelated to being a hermit.
[22:22:46] <andypugh> It is based on a belief in alchemy, astrology and theurgy. So I am triply not hermetic.
[22:23:12] <JT-Shop> a friend asked me the other day if my wife minded that I spend so much time in the shop
[22:23:40] <JT-Shop> generically speaking your sealed off if your a hermit
[22:24:30] * JT-Shop wanders over to the VMC to make a plug or two
[22:24:40] <andypugh> Yes, but (possibly) interestingly, there is no connection between "hermit" and "hermetic"
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[22:29:54] <JT-Shop> so your a desert-deweller?
[22:30:41] <andypugh> Technically, maybe.
[22:33:12] <andypugh> Essex gets less rainfall than Jerusalem.
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[22:35:36] <skunkKandT> don't you get fog 70% of the time?
[22:35:40] <skunkKandT> ;)
[22:36:17] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, too bad i don't have the plugs for these sockets
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[22:37:36] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/inside_control.jpg
[22:37:41] <andypugh> skunkKandT: Archetypically yes. In actuality I can't remember the last proper fog round here. The pea-soupers ended when we stopped burning coal in cities.
[22:38:30] <Tom_itx> i've got about half dozen of those sealed boxes
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[22:38:35] <andypugh> Tom_itx: I like all except the pipe clip :-)
[22:38:40] <Tom_itx> with the goods inside
[22:38:55] <Tom_itx> it was just to hold the wires in place i think
[22:39:03] <Tom_itx> they were gps tracking boxes for a fleet
[22:39:09] <Tom_itx> 200+ in all
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[22:39:16] <andypugh> Which sockets?
[22:39:23] <Tom_itx> left side of box
[22:39:26] <Tom_itx> not a good pic really
[22:39:30] <Tom_itx> but all i have
[22:39:40] <andypugh> Not is the aim is to identify the sockets, no.
[22:39:44] <Tom_itx> you can see a couple at the bottom too
[22:40:04] <Tom_itx> the watertight stuff
[22:40:15] <andypugh> The ones at the bottom just look like glands
[22:40:39] <Tom_itx> those may be
[22:40:54] <andypugh> The DC-DC convertors look useful.
[22:41:02] <Tom_itx> pc104 too
[22:41:06] <Tom_itx> under it
[22:41:21] <Tom_itx> rather slow
[22:41:36] <andypugh> Hmm, you know Mesa make PC104 IO cards, and I think some are supported by EMC2?
[22:41:37] <Tom_itx> i had the gps working
[22:41:51] <Tom_itx> these would be way too slow
[22:42:06] <Tom_itx> the data sheets are in a directory there
[22:42:27] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/PDF/
[22:42:37] <Tom_itx> PCM-9372
[22:43:00] <andypugh> With an FPGA board (4i65) you only need a 1mS servo thread...
[22:43:19] <Tom_itx> i had xp on one
[22:43:47] <andypugh> 800Mhz might be OK. I wonder what the latency is like?
[22:43:58] <Tom_itx> no idea
[22:44:16] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/SBC/server/DSC_0005.JPG
[22:45:06] <Tom_itx> they were pretty slow
[22:45:35] <Tom_itx> pc card slot on the bottom iirc
[22:45:49] <andypugh> 4i65 is $200, and has EMC2 support.
[22:46:09] <Tom_itx> i'll send you one
[22:46:15] <Tom_itx> if you can get it past customs
[22:46:56] <andypugh> I probably don't have the time.
[22:47:12] <Tom_itx> i stuck em out in the garage to get em out of the way
[22:47:29] <Tom_itx> all the cables etc came with em
[22:47:35] <Tom_itx> for hdd parport etc
[22:47:41] <andypugh> I doubt they take a LiveCD install.
[22:47:46] <Tom_itx> so do i
[22:47:57] <Tom_itx> since this one won't
[22:48:02] <Tom_itx> i doubt those would
[22:48:22] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/itx/EPIA-MII-45.jpg
[22:48:26] <Tom_itx> that won't load it
[22:48:56] <andypugh> Will it load any Ubuntu?
[22:49:03] <Tom_itx> the latency test wouldn't run either
[22:49:07] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[22:49:14] <Tom_itx> umm, i did have debian on it once i think
[22:49:41] <andypugh> Hmm, in other news, I am having trouble saving to the EMC2 machine. I wonder if the SSD is dying?
[22:50:08] <Tom_itx> you running that leveling software?
[22:50:14] <andypugh> No.
[22:50:18] <Tom_itx> maybe you should
[22:50:42] <andypugh> And I am compiling EMC2 dozens of times, every night.
[22:50:46] <Tom_itx> i've got one here i'm not even using atm
[22:51:21] <Tom_itx> it would be good for that
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[22:59:02] <robin_sz> andypugh, did you like the laser pics?
[23:00:14] <andypugh> Which, What? where?
[23:00:54] <andypugh> (and the Ubuntu box has other problems, like hundreds of stacjed XKB error dialogs
[23:00:59] <andypugh> (stacked)
[23:02:02] <Tom_itx> i should get more of these atom boards
[23:02:06] <Tom_itx> i kinda like em
[23:02:58] <andypugh> They do seem to work with almost no effort.
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[23:11:03] <Tom_itx> too bad the picopsu doesn't work on em
[23:13:24] <andypugh> Eh?
[23:13:35] <andypugh> I have a PicoPSU on mine.
[23:13:49] <Tom_itx> mine needs the extra 4pin connector
[23:14:17] <Tom_itx> or does it?
[23:14:21] <andypugh> I think you will find it doesn't
[23:14:23] <Tom_itx> i think it's required
[23:14:27] <Tom_itx> mmm
[23:14:34] <andypugh> I just leave those 4 pins empty
[23:15:02] <andypugh> As in, the PicoPSU is shorter than the motherboad connector, but it still works fine.
[23:15:23] <Tom_itx> well for $40 with the psu, the apex cases are pretty darn hard to beat too
[23:15:48] <Tom_itx> mine has 4 beside the main connector
[23:16:52] <Tom_itx> hmm newegg has the 510 back in stock now
[23:17:25] <elmo40> is that one single or dual?
[23:18:27] <Tom_itx> probably single
[23:18:36] <Tom_itx> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121399
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[23:19:43] <andypugh> Hmm, well, the machine won't start the X-server now. Probably time to sleep and see if it works tomorrow.
[23:20:32] <Tom_L> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186208
[23:20:44] <Tom_itx> andy, that's the one i have
[23:20:53] <Tom_itx> you don't think i need the extra plug?
[23:21:26] <Tom_itx> 4pin cpu power connector
[23:21:47] <andypugh> Well, I don't know. But I cut mine off on my D510.
[23:21:49] <Tom_itx> i sorta figured cpu power might be needed
[23:22:11] <Tom_itx> beside the other 24pin
[23:23:13] <Tom_itx> wait, that's not the one i have
[23:23:43] <Tom_L> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=13-121-442-Z03&SpinSet=13-121-442-RS&ISList=13-121-442-Z01%2c13-121-442-Z02%2c13-121-442-Z03%2c13-121-442-Z04%2c13-121-442-Z05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813121442&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=Intel%20BOXD525MW%20Intel%20Atom%20D525%40%201.8GHz%20%28Dual%20Core%29%20BGA559%20Intel%20NM10%20Mini%20ITX%20Motherboard%2fCPU%20Combo
[23:23:44] <andypugh> I did some reading around, and decided it was worth trying just plugging it in to see what happened with 4 vacant ways on the MB and a separate plug waving in the air. It worked fine, so I stopped worrying.
[23:23:47] <Tom_itx> holy crap
[23:24:14] <andypugh> Ah, different issue.
[23:24:29] <Tom_itx> the others may not have that
[23:24:41] <andypugh> In my case the Pico PSU had a separate 4 pin plug I didn't use :-)
[23:25:02] <Tom_itx> maybe the newer picopsu come with it
[23:25:04] <Tom_itx> mine is older
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[23:25:26] <andypugh> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-di510mo.html
[23:25:32] <Tom_itx> the apex case is still cheaper with the 250w psu
[23:26:22] <andypugh> http://www.itx-warehouse.co.uk/Product.aspx?ProductID=754
[23:26:33] <Tom_itx> Jymmm found the psu separate on newegg as a replacement for it too
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[23:27:06] <Tom_itx> yeah that would probably work
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[23:30:45] <skunkKandT> wow - I though I totally screwed up some parts. Seemed to measure off by a good .010. but it fit together perfectly. go figure. I guess I suck at digital calipers.
[23:31:10] <JT-Shop> calipers only get you kinda close
[23:31:33] <skunkKandT> I usually have pretty good luck
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[23:31:59] <skunkKandT> but I was freaking out. ;) I think it was because I was trying to measure 2 edges that where both curvs
[23:32:02] <skunkKandT> curves
[23:32:18] <JT-Shop> it seems to be an acquired feel on calipers
[23:32:40] <JT-Shop> that can be trickey... you could use your probe heh
[23:32:59] <FinboySlick> JT-Shop: Don't be naughty.
[23:33:32] <skunkKandT> yah - thought that is what I thought was off. (I was machining a part on both sides - probing a hole after flipping)
[23:34:03] <skunkKandT> trust the machine!
[23:36:45] <Danimal_garage> i use callipers for everything lol
[23:37:06] <Danimal_garage> but most of my measuring only is checking for concentricity, so the actual number doesnt matter
[23:47:38] <JT-Shop> I'm so glad, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad
[23:48:15] * Tom_itx gives JT-Shop some wine to settle him down
[23:52:27] <JT-Shop> lol
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[23:55:57] <JT-Shop> I use micrometers for most stuff and calliope for everything else
[23:56:17] <JT-Shop> only because I like Linus