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[02:19:37] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Damn bicyclists, never obey the rules of the road! Serves him right! Didn't he read the sign... "Antelope Crossing" EEEEEESH http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/blog/30571/amazing+footage+shows+mountain+biker+ambushed+by+african+antelope/
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[06:52:34] <Loetmichel> moin
[06:53:01] <Loetmichel> s/moin/mornin'
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[10:05:53] <aphex> hi all!
[10:06:07] <aphex> i need some hints, about
[10:06:48] <aphex> how did you make it possible, to use the rtai and write on paralell port without being root?
[10:09:12] <psha[work]> sudo/suid bits/capabilities
[10:09:31] <psha[work]> correct permissions on parport device
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[10:55:15] <cnc-9-Achsen> hi all i need help solving my latency trouble -> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/490944/
[10:56:03] <cnc-9-Achsen> my very old notbook has 8000ns jitter and now the new old ibm system 2,4Ghz has 300.000ns
[10:57:07] <cnc-9-Achsen> i deactivaded the audio -> nolapic in grub -> bios acp/m of
[10:58:09] <cnc-9-Achsen> stil high jtter after a 5sec period
[10:58:29] <cnc-9-Achsen> 15000 for 5sec the n up to 250.000
[10:58:48] <jthornton> take a look on the wiki site for smi
[10:59:03] <cnc-9-Achsen> after reset it keeps for 5 sec at the low vale
[10:59:16] <cnc-9-Achsen> smi ?
[10:59:39] <cnc-9-Achsen> i wort thru real time and trooble shooting
[11:00:37] <jthornton> actually search for fixingsimissues
[11:02:40] <cnc-9-Achsen> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?FixingSMIIssues
[11:03:20] <jthornton> I just added it to the TroubleShooting section
[11:03:33] <cnc-9-Achsen> thanks
[11:10:44] <cnc-9-Achsen> jthornton: MODPATH_rtai_shm= this is empty
[11:13:52] <cnc-9-Achsen> jthornton: lsmod | grep rtai no output
[11:14:22] <jthornton> I just know where it is not how to do it as I've never had the problem
[11:14:37] <cnc-9-Achsen> ok
[11:23:14] <cnc-9-Achsen> then till later try to find out how wrote this trouble shooting
[11:23:34] <cnc-9-Achsen> i try to find out B9
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[11:42:44] <cnc-9-Achsen> jthornton: got it B) its now at 25000 not 250.000
[11:42:54] <jthornton> cool
[11:43:06] <cnc-9-Achsen> i forgot to load the module
[11:43:42] <cnc-9-Achsen> no i will reactivate the sound and the internel grafik and see what happens
[11:44:04] <cnc-9-Achsen> also the nolapic in grub will go
[11:44:17] <cnc-9-Achsen> we wil see till later
[11:44:22] <cnc-9-Achsen> Thanks
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[11:55:50] <A2Sheds> one of the problems with latency on laptops is due to their use of a embedded controller or EC
[11:56:11] <A2Sheds> the EC interacts with the system using ACPI and SMI calls
[11:57:14] <A2Sheds> the designers are as about as concerned with latency as they are about its aerodynamics or how much it tastes like butter
[11:58:57] <A2Sheds> the EC takes care of handling things like lid open/closed, battery charging, GPIO for on/off and other buttons and LED's on the case
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[12:38:49] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: Parkay
[12:40:23] <Tom_itx> BUTTER!!
[12:41:02] <Jymmm> =)
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[13:46:58] <grommit> I have some Keling KL34-180-90 motors that I am trying to tune with Granite Device drivers. I tune them according to the Granite tutorial, and the Granite (without EMC involved) can run the motor smoothly.
[13:47:42] <grommit> But when I run EMC the motor moves but roughly and eventually faults the drive with an "Over current (due to bad tuning)" error on the Granite drive.
[13:48:18] <grommit> We have looked at our step/dir outputs on a scope and a logic analyzer and they are spot on (coming out of a Mesa card)
[13:49:01] <grommit> It really seems to be a drive tuning issue (or parameter in the drive) but I can't for the life of me figure it out.
[13:50:51] <grommit> I have taken the encoders out of the picture for EMC for the moment so that emc is just doing a simple step/dir with motor pos info, not encoders. It behaves the same either way though (but it eliminates the encoder feedback into EMC as a culprit)
[13:51:25] <cradek> are the drives responding correctly to each step? maybe you have a problem with wiring/grounds/noise?
[13:51:55] <grommit> Wouldn't I see that on the scope? We have the scope attached live.
[13:52:07] <grommit> The signal is beautiful
[13:52:23] <grommit> Yes, the drives seems to respond correctly
[13:52:30] <grommit> They move the distance I would expect
[13:52:43] <cradek> hmm
[13:53:06] <grommit> It just seems to vibrate or grind or some noise that I can't really pinpoint when EMC controls but not when Granite controls
[13:53:30] <cradek> but emc's output looks good, hmm.
[13:53:43] <cradek> I'm afraid I have no idea. I've never used any drive like that.
[13:54:33] <grommit> By the way, one setting in the Granite I am curious about is that I have selected Brush DC (parallel output) as motor type, and then it asks number of poles. I can't find the number of poles in the specs....
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[13:54:59] <cradek> can you run these drives in velocity mode instead?
[13:55:13] <cradek> step/dir to servos is a terrible setup
[13:55:18] <grommit> I tried that first.
[13:55:36] <grommit> I had emc set to velocity mode with encoders and pid enabled.
[13:55:50] <skunkworks> but still step/dir to the drives - right?
[13:55:56] <grommit> I have the PID settings all 0 except for FF1=1 and get the same results
[13:56:22] <cradek> I mean an analog velocity command mode, position feedback to emc
[13:56:23] <grommit> Yes, still step/dir, but have mesa stepgen configed for type 1
[13:57:02] <grommit> I don't have that option with the Granites controlling the drives.
[13:57:17] <grommit> I don't have regular servo amps.
[13:57:22] <cradek> darn.
[13:58:18] <grommit> The guy I am working with has the Granites on a Fadal V40 mill with these same motors and they work great.
[13:59:17] <grommit> He runs Mach3. We are going to try it with Mach later to see if it can control them any better, but it is just step/dir, why would it make any diff?
[13:59:58] <cradek> it won't, if your step pulses are good, and it sounds like they are
[14:00:23] <cradek> sounds like buying new tires because your car won't start
[14:00:28] <grommit> Could it be possible to have a ground problem and NOT see it in the signal on the scope?
[14:00:41] <cradek> seems possible to me
[14:00:49] <grommit> :-) Yes new tires. Well, putting used tires anyway :-)
[14:01:06] <cradek> but if the drives really move the right amount, it seems like they are getting the right number of pulses.
[14:01:17] <grommit> agreed
[14:01:35] <cradek> and your mesa card will give a much smoother pulse train than mach will be able to
[14:01:45] <grommit> I would think so.
[14:02:12] <grommit> As I say they pulse train is flawless from both the scope and a logic analyzer we put on it last night
[14:02:13] <cradek> I'd be checking wiring again, I guess
[14:02:40] <grommit> And those were both on it live while running the motors
[14:03:56] <grommit> by the way, what servo amps would one use with these if you were going to completely redo everything (for what would be the 3rd time)?
[14:04:45] <cradek> I don't have much experience with that. I've always retrofitted hardware that came with appropriate amps matched to the motors/machine
[14:05:18] <grommit> where do you buy that from?
[14:05:22] <skunkworks> heh - any analog amps. (I would be looking on ebay and pick up some cheap a-m-c drives. You will need a analog daughter board for the mesa (7i33 or 7i48)
[14:05:44] <skunkworks> match the current/voltage for your servos.
[14:06:17] <grommit> We have a 20A/72VDC supply connected to the Granites.
[14:06:44] <cradek> grommit: it's easy - pretty much every nc/cnc machine made for 25? years has analog velocity mode drives
[14:06:49] <pcw_home> Can you try setting the stepgen for a constant velocity (setp) and see if the motors run rough?
[14:06:50] <skunkworks> cradek: we have yet to be that lucky. I guess we need to by newer ;)
[14:07:16] <cradek> skunkworks: yeah you have to buy from the era after the world became color
[14:07:27] <cradek> your black-and-white machine is too old
[14:07:31] <skunkworks> heh
[14:07:40] <grommit> pcw_home: It was set to velocity mode (type 1) and yes it runs rough
[14:07:41] <skunkworks> it sure does nice work though
[14:08:01] <grommit> I changed it back to position just to take the encoders out of the picture (but that had no effect)
[14:08:14] <skunkworks> but you still have pid in effect?
[14:08:30] <grommit> Not in position mode, no pid.
[14:08:34] <skunkworks> ok
[14:08:40] <pcw_home> also looks like the Granite drives need 5V OPTO drive
[14:08:42] <pcw_home> (I mean de-coupled from the D/DT that FF1 comes from so jusr setp velocity))
[14:08:54] <pcw_home> just
[14:09:27] <grommit> Sorry, not sure what you mean there?
[14:09:47] <grommit> We are driving the step/dir from open collector mode on the Mesa
[14:10:15] <pcw_home> I mean disconnect the PID output from velocity and setp velocity by hand
[14:11:23] <grommit> Are you saying run stepgen with type=1 but disconnect PID? I am pretty sure I tried that....
[14:11:27] <pcw_home> so 5V to OPTO anode side, MESA output pin to OPTO cathode side, IS_OPENDRAIN set true?
[14:12:09] <grommit> Yes, to wiring and is_opendrain. I have also tried it inverted and not, but no difference there
[14:13:16] <grommit> 5v, no pullup or anything on opto anode. STEP (-), aka cathode goes to Mesa stepgen pin (and DIR is connected the same way).
[14:13:29] <pcw_home> well if it runs rough with a constant step rate with sufficient drive, sounds like tuning
[14:13:40] <grommit> I agree.
[14:14:06] <skunkworks> you say that when the granit drive runs the servo - it is good? how is that done? d
[14:14:11] <grommit> And the face that the Granite faults saying "Over Current (due to bad tuning)" would indicate that as well.
[14:14:47] <grommit> However, we spent the entire day tuning and it seems to run beautifully in tuning routines and then commanding the Granite to move things.
[14:14:56] <grommit> face==fact
[14:15:20] <skunkworks> could the accelleration within emc set too high?
[14:15:37] <grommit> No, I have tried very very low accel on emc.
[14:15:53] <grommit> It doesn't change anything other than make it accel really slowly (duh) :-)
[14:15:58] <skunkworks> heh
[14:16:00] <pcw_home> Well maybe still a drive problem but I assume you have scoped the output signals
[14:16:25] <grommit> Scoped and logic analyzer on Mesa look flawless
[14:17:23] <grommit> We also put a 100ohm resistor inline just to read voltage on each side to determine that the right current was flowing through the Grainte opto and it is...
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[14:18:30] <grommit> Again - points to tuning....
[14:18:54] <grommit> Guess I need to get Granite support to help or punt
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[14:23:02] <grommit> How many poles does a DC servo motor have?
[14:23:40] <SWPadnos> as long as a piece of string
[14:23:45] <skunkworks> heh
[14:23:45] <SWPadnos> see you later :)
[14:23:49] <cradek> I'm not sure that question even makes sense
[14:23:59] <grommit> Good
[14:24:09] <grommit> I was wondering why they asked in the configuration
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[14:24:35] <skunkworks> it would make mre sense in a brushless servo.
[14:24:47] <cradek> I think a brushed DC motor makes torque proportional to the current, and you don't need to know anything about poles to drive it
[14:25:13] <cradek> yes in brushless it's very important because the mechanism to power the right coils at the right time isn't built in to the motor, like it is for a brushed servo
[14:26:17] <cradek> if the software was asking me that for a brushed setup I'd be worried that something is configured wrong
[14:26:35] <cradek> maybe you're getting some kind of commutation that makes no sense for your motor?
[14:26:51] <grommit> hmm, maybe that is a clue....
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[14:47:15] <skunkworks> another beautiful day
[14:48:27] <skunkworks> unless the granit devices drive does some sort of anti-cogging magic.. ;)
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[15:10:57] <skunkworks> it is good to see jmk still around. He must have gotten a life. (present company accepted)
[15:10:58] <skunkworks> ;)
[15:12:23] <archivist> what is this life you speak of
[15:13:01] <skunkworks> no clue
[15:13:44] <archivist> jmk found a job walking a dog or few :)
[15:14:19] <archivist> this is why geeks have cats, self walking
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[15:15:53] <archivist> if they bother to wake up...see cradeks cat http://timeguy.com/cradek-files//buster-recliner.jpg :)
[15:16:52] <skunkworks> good napping partners also http://electronicsam.com/images/house/Wifeandhowiepassout.JPG
[15:19:00] * JT-Shop can't understand what the hurry is to turn off my coffee pot and wash it before I'm done drinking coffee... she has ALL DAY to do it
[15:19:17] <archivist> hehe
[15:20:02] <archivist> but is must be done NOW!
[15:20:07] <archivist> is/it
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[15:25:56] * JT-Shop thinks that bringing the coffee pot out to the shop in the morning is the only fix
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[15:47:01] <rizo> I would to run a simple hal file when computer boots up. I added halrun command to a /etc/rc.local, but this doesnt work when i run rc.local script once, but if i run this script again, then everything works fine. I don't get it. Any idea what could be wrong? http://pastebin.com/LyGx2Qi5
[15:47:33] <Danimal_garage> get your own coffee maker for the shop
[15:48:16] <JT-Shop> we just make one pot...
[15:48:21] <Danimal_garage> or at least a hot plate so it stays warm
[15:48:51] <JT-Shop> get one of them coffee doo dads that keep the coffee warm
[15:49:07] <JT-Shop> more fun to just grab it and drag it to the shop
[15:49:22] <Danimal_garage> just drink it out of the pot
[15:51:13] <JT-Shop> yea
[15:51:35] <JT-Shop> one of those dispenser types, you press the button with your cup
[15:53:58] <Danimal_garage> i've never had a cup of coffee in my life
[15:54:10] <Danimal_garage> or even a taste
[15:57:26] <skunkworks> that is just crazy talk
[16:05:45] <JT-Shop> lol
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[16:06:55] * JT-Shop wonders what an /etc/rc.local is?
[16:11:12] * JT-Shop stops wondering as lunchminute is over
[16:12:58] <cpresser> JT-Shop: its a kind of 'autostart'. init starts it (in every runlevel?)
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[17:19:42] <IchGucksLive> Hi all
[17:20:11] <IchGucksLive> someone has apython file that kills the liine numbers
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[17:36:22] <cpresser> IchGucksLive: use sed or awk :)
[17:37:45] <IchGucksLive> sed ?
[17:38:03] <archivist> man sed
[17:42:15] <cpresser> echo "12 G01 Y20" | awk -F " " {'print $2 $3 $4 $5'}
[17:42:22] <cpresser> not nice, but will work^^
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[17:55:29] <FinboySlick> IchGucksLive: The regex with sed would be something along the lines of s/^\d\+ // Which means: replace <startofline><number><one-or-more><space> by nothing.
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[18:08:49] <IchGucksLive> got it
[18:09:38] <IchGucksLive> linesplit = line.split(None)[1:]
[18:09:45] <cradek> FinboySlick: N0001G01X1
[18:10:09] <IchGucksLive> cradek: B)
[18:11:24] <FinboySlick> cradek: Well, obviously it wouldn't work for such lines but those can be just as easily matched.
[18:12:00] <IchGucksLive> def my_split(s):
[18:12:00] <cradek> sure, but my point is that parsing arbitrary gcode is hard
[18:12:01] <IchGucksLive> res = [s]
[18:12:03] <IchGucksLive> seps = ['X', 'Y', 'D']
[18:12:04] <IchGucksLive> for sep in seps:
[18:12:06] <IchGucksLive> s, res = res, []
[18:12:10] <IchGucksLive> for seq in s:
[18:12:10] <IchGucksLive> res += seq.split(sep)
[18:12:10] <IchGucksLive> return res
[18:12:40] <IchGucksLive> her you can split everything
[18:12:54] <IchGucksLive> if the seperator is in sep
[18:13:25] <archivist> there was no separator in his example
[18:13:54] <IchGucksLive> N0001G01X1 there is a N a G and a X
[18:14:17] <IchGucksLive> this is the same then emc splits the code and analyses it
[18:14:23] <cradek> actually removing line numbers is one of the very few things you can do to gcode with a dumb parser, because they're guaranteed to be at (near) the beginning of the line, starting with N
[18:14:34] <FinboySlick> IchGucksLive: You'd probably be much better off with a regex.
[18:14:37] <archivist> a token is not a separator
[18:14:59] <cradek> (by gcode I mean emc's flavor of gcode)
[18:15:21] <IchGucksLive> FinboySlick: but im flexibel with this
[18:15:48] <IchGucksLive> here you can mirror by one klick
[18:15:49] <cradek> IchGucksLive: that's not adequate to parse our gcode (identify words etc) either
[18:16:35] <IchGucksLive> this is not emc at all
[18:16:55] <IchGucksLive> this is from mine python gerbertoemc
[18:17:04] <cradek> heh, then the problem is not adequately defined to give an answer, IMO
[18:17:37] <IchGucksLive> agree
[18:17:52] <cradek> but in general if someone thinks they can parse (emc's) gcode with less than a full gcode parser, they are wrong
[18:18:00] <IchGucksLive> cradek: it wars just about to split
[18:19:03] <IchGucksLive> cradek: are there people that try to make money out f emc
[18:19:20] <FinboySlick> IchGucksLive: Well, you can probably match every possible type of line numbering schemes with a relatively good regex so long as they're before your first G code.
[18:20:12] <cradek> IchGucksLive: I don't know what you mean by make money out of
[18:20:40] <cradek> do you mean use it run cnc machines to make parts and then sell them?
[18:20:45] <cradek> if so, of course they do
[18:21:19] <IchGucksLive> no to sell things out of the code
[18:21:32] <FinboySlick> Oh, btw... Did you guys see the home-made SLA fabber?
[18:21:51] <IchGucksLive> FinboySlick: link
[18:22:03] <FinboySlick> I'd have never thought that to be possible... One moment, I'll dig it out.
[18:22:34] <FinboySlick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snOErpOP5Xk
[18:24:17] <FinboySlick> If one could come up with a decently doable home-made photo-hardening epoxy recipe, it'd be pretty awesome.
[18:24:28] <A2Sheds> IchGucksLive: not the code itself, but machines that run EMC are sold
[18:24:49] <FinboySlick> I think Sherline's CNC models come with EMC setups.
[18:25:38] <IchGucksLive> A2Sheds: this is leagle
[18:26:02] <cradek> IchGucksLive: please read the GNU GPL version 2
[18:26:20] <A2Sheds> I'm considering a stripped down version of EMC for the motion controllers in industrial inkjet printers
[18:26:25] <cradek> also the GPL FAQ is very good
[18:26:45] <IchGucksLive> cradek: in the wiki ?
[18:26:53] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: On the topic of printers, what did you think of that link?
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[18:27:17] <cradek> http://www.google.com/search?q=gnu+gpl+v2
[18:27:24] <IchGucksLive> FinboySlick: laser printer is expensive
[18:27:35] <cradek> first link license, second link faq
[18:28:00] <FinboySlick> IchGucksLive: He built his with a UV lamp and DLP projector.
[18:28:49] <FinboySlick> I knew of a pro SLA printer that does the same but I didn't think it could be home made.
[18:29:15] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: I've seen it. There are a couple of somewhat open projects like that. http://3dprinter.wikidot.com/photoactive-resins#toc2
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[18:29:38] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Heh, that's exactly what I was looking for!
[18:29:48] <A2Sheds> the way they do it is real slow with DLP, I've considered a much faster design
[18:30:19] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Laser scan? coupling a laser printer rotating mirror thing with another mirror?
[18:31:32] <IchGucksLive> cradek: im reading
[18:31:38] <A2Sheds> nah, the DLP can be 60 frames per second. DLP is also limited to 1920 x 1080 before you have to stitch or scan with the DLP
[18:32:29] <A2Sheds> my only objection to UV photopolymers is UV exposure to the user
[18:32:36] <A2Sheds> for DIY
[18:33:00] <FinboySlick> Yeah, I thought of that. That gives you a pretty slim surface considering a 1 or 2 thou horizontal resolution.
[18:33:22] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Well, this is the type of thing one ought to enclose.
[18:33:23] <A2Sheds> we can print 0.5L/hr now with one low cost thermal inkjet head
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[18:35:03] <A2Sheds> there is a spin-off project from reprap that uses an e-beam to print metals, some of the CERN people were helping, not sure about how wise it might be to DIY with x-rays
[18:35:06] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: So you'd be more inclined toward the vat of powder+bonding agent type of deal?
[18:35:17] <A2Sheds> it is safer
[18:35:51] <A2Sheds> but I might open source a photopolymer design using DLP that could print faster
[18:35:59] <FinboySlick> In all fairness, a press drill is pretty dangerous too.
[18:36:00] <A2Sheds> I'm just busy now
[18:36:27] <A2Sheds> yeah, it depends on the operator
[18:37:02] <A2Sheds> most people know about what a drill can do to you, but probably not UV
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[18:38:02] <FinboySlick> Hehe, you could spin-off DLP-printed tan. The new tattoo.
[18:38:05] <A2Sheds> "we watched it print all day" and the next day they couldn't see well or at all
[18:38:45] <FinboySlick> New meaning to "prints blindingly fast"
[18:39:17] <A2Sheds> heh!
[18:39:52] <A2Sheds> we cure photopolymers in <1 sec at 25um thickness, if you have a 1920 x 1080 dlp and figure 25um per voxel
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[18:40:27] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: do you have a strobe light behind the DLP?
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[18:40:50] <Loetmichel> or is that a 5kw beamer?
[18:41:33] <A2Sheds> in the old days
[18:41:54] <A2Sheds> now you can cure with a few watts with UV LED
[18:42:12] <A2Sheds> one problem is patents
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[18:42:59] <A2Sheds> they actually gave a patent to Phoseon for UV led light sources for industrial applications
[18:45:18] <Danimal_garage> dammit my bandsaw blade broke
[18:45:29] <Danimal_garage> this one was lasting forever too
[18:46:41] <Tom_itx> afternoon
[18:47:05] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: but then no fluroescent lams in the workshop or what?
[18:47:19] <JT-Shop> oh no forever is here
[18:47:38] <Tom_itx> ?
[18:48:05] <Danimal_garage> morning
[18:48:14] <Danimal_garage> lol John
[18:48:14] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop are you seeing clearly now?
[18:48:30] <Danimal_garage> it's probably 5 or 6 months old
[18:48:39] <Danimal_garage> and i cut a lot of stuff
[18:49:38] <A2Sheds> Loetmichel: how dumb are some of these http://www.faqs.org/patents/assignee/phoseon-technology-inc/
[18:49:50] <Danimal_garage> according to my new blade's backing slip, i ordered it on 7/28, which means the other one was probably 2 months old at the time
[18:50:04] <Danimal_garage> they usually only last 2 months
[18:50:15] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: yes very clear
[18:50:24] <Tom_itx> cool
[18:50:31] <JT-Shop> all ready tossed my first chipped tap
[18:50:34] <Tom_itx> you satisfied with the scope then?
[18:50:59] <Danimal_garage> sorry, it was ordered 6/14
[18:51:03] <JT-Shop> lol, as far as I know but I know nothing about scopes
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[18:51:32] <JT-Shop> I do need a light for it, I'm using a desk lamp now
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[18:51:48] <Tom_itx> yeah i use the ring light on my other magnifier
[18:52:26] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: http://www.chemshapes.com/?cat=37 IIRC that is the new website for the UV cured printer
[18:53:37] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: thanks :)
[18:53:53] * FinboySlick soaks it all up.
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[18:55:33] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: don't tell me... here over the pond the american patents are the prototype for "common knowledge ripped of"
[18:55:35] <Loetmichel> +f
[18:55:42] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: where do you get your blades from?
[18:56:19] <AofA> Hello. I am trying to dl EMC2 Ubuntu Live CD 10.04 Lucid Lynx and experiencing extremly slow dl times. Is there anyone here who can mirror me a copy?
[18:56:42] <cradek> AofA: what url?
[18:57:21] <AofA> from linuxcnc.org, hold on ill find the specific url
[18:57:45] <AofA> http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc1-i386.iso
[18:57:48] <A2Sheds> Loetmichel: yes, it's real sad
[18:57:57] <cradek> darn, that should be fast
[18:58:15] <Tom_itx> maybe the slow is on the receiving end
[18:58:24] <cradek> did you see http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/21/4/lang,english/ says there is an EU mirror? is that one slow too?
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[18:59:35] <cradek> that url is fast for me, getting 600 Kbytes/sec
[18:59:38] <AofA> yes, tried EU mirror as well. Might be on my end
[19:00:28] <cradek> the EU link gives me 1 MByte/sec
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[19:00:41] <cradek> if it is your end, a third mirror isn't going to help, sorry
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[19:02:49] <AofA> is there another option I could try?
[19:03:59] <JT-Shop> AofA: yes you can use... let me look it up
[19:04:09] <A2Sheds> Loetmichel: on the other hand it only prevents industrial products from being sold in the USA, and since not much is manufactured here anymore (besides military equip) it matters less
[19:04:20] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/common_Getting_EMC.html#r3_2
[19:04:27] <JT-Shop> AofA: ^^
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[19:06:42] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: mcmaster carr or msc
[19:06:49] <Danimal_garage> they're lennox bi metal
[19:06:55] <Danimal_garage> nothing fancy
[19:06:57] <AofA> JT-Shop: broken link for me
[19:07:14] <JT-Shop> that's what I use from bandsaw blades direct I think
[19:07:21] <Tom_itx> AofA, works here
[19:07:26] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: so i would contemplate the fact THAT nothing is produced in usa any more
[19:07:37] <Danimal_garage> i usually get them for about $40
[19:07:45] <JT-Shop> AofA: you are having internet problems I see do man wget
[19:07:55] <Danimal_garage> for a 3/4"x9'7"
[19:07:57] <Loetmichel> why is that ans how is patenting common knowledge helping against it?
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[19:08:09] <AofA> very strange... I will have to investigate
[19:08:14] <JT-Shop> wget -r http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc1-i386.iso
[19:08:42] <AofA> wget -r http://www.linuxcnc.org/lucid/ubuntu-10. 04-linuxcnc1-i386.iso
[19:08:51] <JT-Shop> will get you a download that will resume if interrupted
[19:09:05] <JT-Shop> yes, say that in a terminal window
[19:09:19] <AofA> thank you
[19:10:28] <JT-Shop> mine are a bit more as they are 1" x 9' 6 1/2"
[19:11:20] <A2Sheds> Loetmichel: 'obvious' was redefined by the courts so just about anything here may be patented http://www.freepatentsonline.com/crazy.html
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[19:31:32] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: that www.chemshapes.com project went quiet on their UV cured resin formula
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[19:34:49] <AofA> EMC is used for 3d printing as well?
[19:35:17] <A2Sheds> AofA: sure
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[19:35:53] <A2Sheds> http://reprap.org/wiki/EMCRepRap
[19:36:27] <A2Sheds> http://emcreprap.blogspot.com/
[19:37:05] <AofA> Impressive. 3 axis mill is a big enough challenge for me at the moment.
[19:37:52] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: You think they were made to shut up, or they decided to sell what they found?
[19:38:54] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: they eluded to patenting
[19:39:27] <FinboySlick> eluded (dodged) or alluded?
[19:39:53] <A2Sheds> heehe alluded
[19:39:55] <FinboySlick> There's lots of money to these things I guess.
[19:40:31] <A2Sheds> and eluded the community that was supporting them
[19:40:44] <FinboySlick> So I can't entirely fault them. Though it'd be nice if more world-changing stuff ended up in the public domain.
[19:41:22] <A2Sheds> their formula might not even be able to be patented
[19:41:38] <AofA> I was at a solidworks user convention a week ago in Israel and there were 10 start up companies selling variations reprap technology or services, seems like there is a _lot_ of money to be made...
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[19:42:53] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: what I've also been noticing are new patents that contain older patents claims that haven't expired, I don't think they are checking too hard anymore
[19:43:05] * FinboySlick wants to move to those patent-free libertarian paradise man-made islands they're dreaming up.
[19:43:25] <A2Sheds> Somalia?
[19:43:28] <JT-Shop> Sweet, we just a huge machine to bid on...
[19:43:46] * archivist patents patent free islands
[19:44:04] <FinboySlick> Damn, our utopian dream ruined!
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[19:44:31] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: They'll check if they catch you benefiting it.
[19:44:38] <archivist> I should patent utopia too
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[19:44:54] <FinboySlick> I mean benefiting from it
[19:45:34] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: dont you hate doing bids?
[19:45:39] <Danimal_garage> i'm horrible at it
[19:45:48] <Danimal_garage> so i don't do them lol
[19:45:59] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: A bid is not telling them just how much money is in your wallet.
[19:46:01] <FinboySlick> ;)
[19:46:16] <Danimal_garage> ha
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[19:53:21] <FinboySlick> A2Sheds: Did they ever reveal the formula?
[19:56:35] <A2Sheds> FinboySlick: for the chemshapes? No
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[20:05:03] <A2Sheds> 1900 x 1080 at 10um/pixel resolution is only 19mm x 10.8mm area, at 8 sec/layer a 50mm high object will take 11 hrs to print
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[20:07:54] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: no, I just get material costs and my other brother John does ALL the bidding :)
[20:09:13] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Who's the "Collections" dept?
[20:09:24] <JT-Shop> Ohhh nice a box full of pink bubble wrap just got dropped off by Jake the UPS guy
[20:09:30] <JT-Shop> I am Jymmm
[20:09:48] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Yu don't look italian =)
[20:10:28] <JT-Shop> when your looking down the barrel of a .44 magnum you don't look at the face much :)
[20:11:21] <A2Sheds> COD or money up front doesn't work?
[20:11:43] <Danimal_garage> i do payments in advance for everything
[20:12:12] <JT-Shop> most of my customers have me on direct bank deposit :) only a few use checks
[20:13:19] <JT-Shop> the sheer volume of terminal blocks on the 7i76 is amazing
[20:13:38] <A2Sheds> do you still get customers that think it's 30 days to pay even though the payment terms COD are cleverly written in the contract?
[20:14:01] <JT-Shop> most pay in 30 days
[20:14:26] <JT-Shop> for machinery they pay 50% up front
[20:14:43] <JT-Shop> and 50% after delivery
[20:15:20] * JT-Shop would love to play with the new fun stuff that UPS brought but work is waiting
[20:16:56] <Danimal_garage> bubble wrap?
[20:17:13] <Danimal_garage> i guess it is pretty fun
[20:19:13] <JT-Shop> inside the bubble wrap
[20:19:47] <Jymmm> pockets of air?
[20:20:27] <Danimal_garage> ha
[20:22:24] <JT-Shop> 5i25 and 7i76
[20:22:32] <JT-Shop> for the plasma
[20:24:01] <Danimal_garage> ah
[20:25:37] <A2Sheds> that Chemshapes project is like several other supposedly open source hardware software projects lately, open forums, open wiki, IRC, some open code but with key components secret
[20:25:52] <Danimal_garage> PCW does use a rather flamboyant color of bubble wrap, doesnt he?
[20:31:20] <JT-Shop> lol kinda std color me thinks
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[20:33:12] <Tom_itx> wonder how smooth that 5i25 and 7i76 setup is gonna go for ya
[20:33:38] <JT-Shop> should be real smooth with G203v drives
[20:33:55] <Danimal_garage> like honey through a screen
[20:33:56] <Tom_itx> someone said they weren't that fond of those drivers
[20:34:07] * Tom_itx looks at Danimal_garage
[20:34:09] <Danimal_garage> yuck, i hate gecko drives
[20:34:18] <JT-Shop> guy just emailed me "do you have any OEM info on the plate?" hmm his people designed the plate
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[20:34:27] <Danimal_garage> lol
[20:34:36] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, you think the cheap chinese drivers are better?
[20:34:42] <JT-Shop> I said " your the OEM"
[20:34:47] <Danimal_garage> the ones i had were
[20:34:56] <fragalot> JT-Shop: You're the OEM
[20:34:59] * fragalot glare
[20:34:59] <fragalot> s
[20:35:39] <JT-Shop> not on that part unless they order some from me... the print only showed them how to modify the plate to add my equipment
[20:35:43] <Danimal_garage> this whole damn court is out of order!
[20:36:03] * Tom_itx drops the gavel and goes for the shotgun
[20:36:11] <fragalot> Danimal_garage: What's wrong with gecko drives?
[20:37:02] <Danimal_garage> the microstepping
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[20:37:46] <Danimal_garage> it's set at a fixed amount
[20:37:55] <Danimal_garage> plus you need your own heat sinks
[20:38:16] <Danimal_garage> i just didn't like them, i couldn't even use them on my machine
[20:38:31] <Danimal_garage> the microstepping was too much for my big steppers
[20:39:08] <Danimal_garage> the leadshines i was using had adjustable microstepping
[20:39:21] <Danimal_garage> plus built in heat sinks
[20:39:42] <Danimal_garage> and they were cheaper and actually worked with my machine
[20:41:36] <fragalot> Danimal_garage: I thought you could adjust the microstepping on the gecko's?
[20:41:39] <fragalot> (I could be mistaken)
[20:41:50] <fragalot> not that i'm defending them.. never used them
[20:41:54] <cradek> I think on some models you can, but those are the slightly more expensive models
[20:42:00] <Danimal_garage> not on the one i had
[20:42:07] <cradek> I'm pretty sure the ONE that I have is adjustable
[20:42:45] <JT-Shop> the G203v you can adjust the point of morphing from 10 micro steps to full steps to smooth out the midrange
[20:43:09] <Danimal_garage> i'm sure the geckos would work fine for a lot of people, i just thought the leadshine one worked a lot better
[20:43:25] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: are you talking about the little pot on there?
[20:43:27] <JT-Shop> just got a reply "Ok, thanks. We have a communication breakdown here sometimes. Imagine that."
[20:43:33] <JT-Shop> yea dan
[20:43:42] <Danimal_garage> yea, didn't do anything for me
[20:44:14] <Danimal_garage> i can't use that many microsteps on mine, it missed steps
[20:44:35] <Danimal_garage> i had to slow down the velocity 20ipm just ot be able to use it
[20:44:52] <JT-Shop> bbl
[20:45:10] <Danimal_garage> but i had huge steppers
[20:45:19] <Danimal_garage> 1300oz/in
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[20:54:52] <Jymmm> If you are looking for a HTPC Remote, I just got this today and give it two thumbs up!!! http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-rechargeable-handheld-2-4g-wireless-qwerty-keyboard-w-touchpad-laser-pointer-58528
[20:56:17] <Danimal_garage> nice
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[20:56:40] <Danimal_garage> i got rid of my htpc, my blue ray player does everything i need it to
[20:56:58] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: do oyu have a media lib too?
[20:57:03] <Danimal_garage> yes
[20:57:14] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: ISO? DIVX? XVID?
[20:57:39] <Jymmm> NetFlix? Hulu (free)?
[20:57:39] <Danimal_garage> it does avi, divix, not sure on the others, i don't use them
[20:57:45] <Danimal_garage> yes
[20:57:51] <Danimal_garage> pandora
[20:57:53] <Danimal_garage> etc
[20:58:02] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: can you try a ISO sometime?
[20:58:04] <Danimal_garage> vudu
[20:58:30] <Danimal_garage> wmv, even plays vids from my cell phone
[20:58:42] <Danimal_garage> if i ever find one
[20:58:50] <Jymmm> k
[20:58:53] <Danimal_garage> i've never seen an iso movie
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[20:59:28] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: home movies?
[21:00:02] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: you've never shot video then burned for playing in a set-top dvd player?
[21:00:15] <Danimal_garage> i dont shoot videos
[21:00:22] <Jymmm> ah
[21:00:26] <Danimal_garage> if i do, just on my cell phone
[21:00:43] <Jymmm> ah
[21:01:30] <Danimal_garage> it'll even go on facebook
[21:01:44] <Jymmm> Yeah, I have a huge library in various formats, plus I have a network dual tuner, so a BD player alone won't do the tuner, and then the ISO's are always in question.
[21:01:54] <Danimal_garage> i have a really cheap one, i think the better ones you can do web browsing
[21:02:14] <Jymmm> Yeah, I don't care about browsing so much.
[21:02:25] <Danimal_garage> i just stream netflix and pandora, that's it
[21:02:39] <Danimal_garage> well it's good if you want to use megavideo or something
[21:03:00] <Jymmm> megavideo?
[21:03:36] <Danimal_garage> online video player, they have newer episodes of shows and stuff
[21:03:48] <Danimal_garage> hbo and showtime shows, etc
[21:04:15] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: I ws just passing alone the remote info, I've seen it for about a year or so, finally dived in and got it after trying out a bunch of others.
[21:04:27] <Danimal_garage> cool
[21:04:32] <Jymmm> cool, I'll have to check it out some time
[21:05:01] <Danimal_garage> yea, not debating which one's better, just saying i ditched my htpc
[21:05:14] <Danimal_garage> mainly because it was slow and video was choppy at times
[21:05:15] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: I think it'll even let you get into the BIOS too
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[21:05:53] <Danimal_garage> cool
[21:06:06] <Jymmm> Heh, I unerstand that. I have to build a NEW HTPC thus need a new remote.
[21:06:31] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: pandora works better through the blueray player, quality seems higher and no interruptions
[21:06:35] <Jymmm> The existing one is IR kybd/mouse and plugs into PS/2 ports
[21:07:04] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Ah, for music I have a squeezebox
[21:07:16] <Jymmm> it plays stremaing and local lib.
[21:07:44] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: i would have loved to build a newer htpc instead (and i still might), but i ended up getting 2 of these blue ray players at frys for $140 for the pair
[21:07:59] <Danimal_garage> on sale obviously
[21:08:03] <Jymmm> nice,
[21:08:07] <Jymmm> what brand?
[21:08:11] <Danimal_garage> samsung
[21:08:21] <Jymmm> know the model# by chance?
[21:08:22] <Danimal_garage> not the best, but they seem to work ok
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[21:08:30] <Jymmm> wifi?
[21:08:38] <Danimal_garage> not off hand, if i remember i'll try to find the manual
[21:08:48] <Danimal_garage> wifi capable, but you'd have to buy the adapter
[21:08:56] <Danimal_garage> so i just run network cables
[21:09:04] <Jymmm> thanks, I dont even intend to buy BD discs at all, just use the dvd/net
[21:09:04] <Danimal_garage> already had them there so no biggie
[21:09:26] <Danimal_garage> yea, i can't tell the difference on my tv
[21:09:34] <Jymmm> Yeah, I can go wifi or drill a hole in the wall. decisions, decisions.
[21:09:37] <Danimal_garage> no point in blue ray for me
[21:10:06] <Danimal_garage> Jymmm: i dropped network cables in every room in the house (except bathrooms)
[21:10:14] <Jymmm> Yeah, I dont need to see a pimple on KimK's butt in HD
[21:10:26] <Danimal_garage> lol
[21:10:32] <Danimal_garage> lunch time, bbl
[21:10:36] <Jymmm> k
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[21:34:21] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: same here, wifi is fine for the bathroom :p
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[21:45:30] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: TMI ;)
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[21:49:01] <Danimal_garage> lol
[21:49:45] <Danimal_garage> don't act like that's not where you go for your internet alone time, Jymmm
[21:50:27] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: I don't even bring the phone in the bathroom (like many do), much less internetz
[21:52:15] <Jymmm> I want to try this, but the cord looks awfully short... http://www.amazon.com/SOS-Charger-Hand-Crank-Emergency-Flashlight/dp/B002WRKZZ4
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[21:53:45] <Danimal_garage> neat
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[21:55:20] <Jymmm> Yeah, I thought it might be good to use with a USB AA/AAA battery charger for flashlight/gps, but I don't want to have to do a balancing act with it if the cord is as short as it seems.
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[21:56:36] <Jymmm> Total crap --> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/dynamo-hand-crank-usb-cell-phone-emergency-charger-24036
[21:57:38] <Jymmm> Just got it today too, had to take it apart and toss in a spacer just to get it to crank. Then when you are cranking for a while it feels like you are melting the 4 gears inside
[21:57:52] <Danimal_garage> lol
[21:57:55] <Danimal_garage> that sucks
[21:58:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, no regulator so I thought I might be able to get 12VDC out of it too.
[21:59:04] <cpresser> no regulator sucks. by the look of it i would have guessed that they hat some 5.3V zener diodes inside
[21:59:22] <cpresser> plastic gears?
[21:59:31] <Jymmm> I'd love a crank gen that does 5/12vdc @ 1000mA and pocket sized
[21:59:39] <Jymmm> cpresser: BARELY plastic gears =)
[22:00:06] <cpresser> build one yourself :)
[22:00:33] <Jymmm> cpresser: I have no mill/lathe to make the gearss
[22:00:53] <cpresser> buy a motor with a attached gear. thats whalt i would try
[22:01:05] <cpresser> there are a lot of those around for RC cars and planes
[22:01:25] <Jymmm> That's an idea. I wonder how much juic I could get out of a NEMA17 stepper?
[22:02:24] <cpresser> i would not go for steppers. the electronics is tricky. on top of that, a nema17 stepper is heavy
[22:02:27] <cpresser> http://www.pollin.de/shop/dt/NzM1OTg2OTk-/Motoren/DC_Getriebemotoren/Gleichstrom_Getriebemotor_PITTMAN_GM8712.html
[22:02:58] <Jymmm> cpresser: how many mA does that say?
[22:03:00] <cpresser> but that one will only produce 0.2Amps or so
[22:03:07] <Jymmm> ah
[22:03:39] <cpresser> but its also the first one i found. most likely there are better suited ones out there
[22:03:57] <Jymmm> Well, 500ma would be okey I guess. I'd like to be able to charge my ham radio too if I could
[22:04:34] <cpresser> next time i order at that shop, i will get a few to experiment :)
[22:05:29] <Jymmm> I think there is a market for a quality waterproof hand crank generator that's pocket sized
[22:05:47] <andypugh> Jymmm: This takes a normal USB cable: http://www.amazon.com/FR160B-Microlink-Self-Powered-Weather-Flashlight/dp/B001QTXKB0/ref=pd_cp_hi_3
[22:06:08] <andypugh> (I found it on your amazon page, not a recommendation)
[22:06:15] <Jymmm> andypugh: Just FYI... Avoid "Eton" brand ANYTHING like the plague.
[22:06:36] <Jymmm> andypugh: that includes the "Red Cross" branded "emergency radios and flashlights.
[22:07:53] <andypugh> If you want total junk, have you seen this? http://www.veryimpressiveproducts.com/motorcycle.html
[22:08:08] <andypugh> (Especially the last one on the page)
[22:08:45] <Jymmm> wtf is it?
[22:08:55] <andypugh> It appears to be an LED in a rubber moulding.
[22:09:11] <andypugh> Follow the info sheet link for total nonsense.
[22:09:21] <cpresser> big LOL: "The Power Booster (PB) aligns the protons moving through the electrical system of a motorcycle. The creation of the PVA Field (Proton Vibration Alignment) by the Power Booster device, aligns the entire electrical system. Data loss due to the instability of electrons is decreased significantly, and at the same time, the transmission quality of electrical and electronic signals is boosted."
[22:10:00] <andypugh> The chassis one is meant for cars, really. APparently it works fine with one in each door pocket and one in the back.
[22:10:07] <cpresser> there is a german saying: 'every morning one fool wakes up from his sleep. in order to make money you just have to find him'
[22:10:14] <Jymmm> 211st Century Snake Oil, gotcha
[22:10:28] <andypugh> It has to be illegal?
[22:10:50] <Jymmm> andypugh: since when are magnets and led's illegal?
[22:10:51] <andypugh> Like, they claim it does things that it demonstrably won't?
[22:11:23] <cpresser> magnets? how do they work?
[22:11:40] <Jymmm> cpresser: by aligning the protons silly
[22:11:41] <JT-Shop> andypugh: is there a 5i25 sample config your working from?
[22:12:25] <Jymmm> OMG, read the 2nd paragraph... http://www.amazon.com/review/R53SMK54EPH3P/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B001QTXKB0&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
[22:12:52] <Jymmm> "...powerful halogen type LEDs ..."
[22:13:21] * cpresser is not sure if i need to laugh or cry
[22:13:34] <Jymmm> cpresser: Lil column A, lil column B
[22:14:45] <cpresser> "Picotechnology is much more advanced than nanotechnology" (from the PowerBooster)
[22:14:54] <andypugh> JT-Shop: loadrt hostmot2 // loadrt hm2_pci
[22:15:00] <andypugh> That's all it takes
[22:15:05] <A2Sheds> EB-S - $475.... that must stand for 'electronic bull shit'
[22:16:14] <cpresser> i absolutely need to bookmark those. really fun stuff
[22:16:56] <andypugh> I am used to Audophiles being ripped off, and true to form: http://www.veryimpressiveproducts.com/audio.html
[22:17:27] <JT-Shop> ok, just putting it all together atm
[22:18:15] <andypugh> They must know that they are total charaltans and basically criminal?
[22:18:29] <JT-Shop> how do you pick the daughter card config or is it smart?
[22:19:06] <andypugh> JT-Shop: It's smart. Well, my build is. Yours is totally dumb :-)
[22:19:23] <JT-Shop> lol
[22:19:26] <andypugh> You should get the stepgens etc.
[22:19:29] <PCW> Its the no choice cafe, the card is preconfigured for the 7I76
[22:19:41] <cpresser> andypugh: a few of those things actually would be illegal to sell in germany. 30% more fuel efficient.. since this is not going to be true, its a scam. people go to prison for such stuff over here^^
[22:19:58] <PCW> but you need the normal stepgens=N etc stuff
[22:20:09] <andypugh> In the UK too, I think. At least they get shut down by Advertising standards
[22:20:28] <A2Sheds> http://www.veryimpressiveproducts.com/contact.html http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1062+Cephas+Drive+Clearwater,+FL+33765&layer=c&sll=27.976370,-82.752710&cbp=13,331.64,,0,2.91&cbll=27.97604,-82.752695&gl=us&sspn=0.006295,0.006295&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=1062+Cephas+Rd,+Clearwater,+Florida+33765&ll=27.976097,-82.752693&spn=0.007078,0.011727&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=0&panoid=5ZqyGdU1XkMtk11WEYuaZA
[22:21:57] <cpresser> I should start selling a 'aligned photon emitter' for 400$
[22:22:44] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I can send you a patch that will see the card (and let you set one of three, yes, three modes). And it will create a full set of completely decorative IO pins.
[22:23:31] <andypugh> I might get outputs working tonight.
[22:24:06] <JT-Shop> Ok, I'm just gathering up the bits and putting the 525 together here on the desk
[22:24:13] <JT-Shop> your using 2.5?
[22:24:15] <andypugh> I am having fun mapping a position and length in a 96-bit space into chinks of three registers.
[22:24:22] <A2Sheds> cpresser: I have some magic electrical storage cylinders to power them
[22:24:25] <JT-Shop> yea, I remember
[22:24:31] <PCW> the base I/O stuff (stepgens watchhdog, encoder) should just work with 2.5
[22:24:32] <andypugh> Yes, I am hoping it will go in 2.5
[22:25:17] <andypugh> Actually, I am going to back off a bit and patch 2.5 to allow mode setting.
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[22:55:38] <JT-Shop> pcw just getting it on the net to get 2.5
[22:57:34] <PCW> On the 7I76 make sure you fetch a fresh manual as the field power connector pinout was backwards in earlier copies (as Andy learned)
[22:57:49] <JT-Shop> ok
[22:58:14] <PCW> I probably need my protons aligned
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[23:00:37] <andypugh> You were probbaly labelling for proton current.
[23:01:05] <andypugh> Actually, no, because conventional current does assume positive charges are flowing.
[23:04:24] <JT-Shop> so, just take the 5i20 stepper config and change the loadrt line to eliminate the config=...
[23:04:57] <PCW> Not sure if I want to be more fuel efficient either
[23:04:59] <PCW> Yes just drop the config part
[23:05:17] <JT-Shop> ok, gitting a fresh checkout
[23:05:25] <andypugh> chage 5i20 to 5i25...
[23:06:07] <JT-Shop> where?
[23:06:44] <PCW> card name in the .INI
[23:07:45] <andypugh> And all pin names...
[23:08:01] <andypugh> man hostmot2
[23:08:18] <JT-Shop> yea, I was commenting the pin names out for now till I could see
[23:08:19] <andypugh> Oops, wrong window. Guess which file I am editing?
[23:08:30] <JT-Shop> hmmm
[23:08:39] <PCW> I think all the pin names are macroized in the sample configs
[23:08:47] <JT-Shop> yea
[23:11:16] <JT-Shop> what would the step and dir times for the 7i76?
[23:11:47] <PCW> Depends on what you have connected
[23:12:09] * JT-Shop smacks on forhead
[23:12:38] <PCW> It has fast buffers so it wont limit you
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[23:18:28] <Tom_itx> is the 7i76 the only card available for the 5i25 so far?
[23:18:48] <Tom_itx> beside the sserial addons
[23:19:11] <PCW> 7I74, 7I75 also availble
[23:19:29] <PCW> were working on 7I77
[23:19:48] <Tom_itx> how is that different?
[23:20:18] <andypugh> Isn't it obvious from the name? :-)
[23:20:25] <PCW> Same a 7I76 but for analog servos
[23:21:01] <PCW> same 48 I/O but 6 analog outs and 6 encoder inputs
[23:21:10] <Tom_itx> how soon before you update the price pdf?
[23:21:32] <PCW> maybe after I get back from vacation
[23:21:41] <Tom_itx> chop chop
[23:21:49] <Tom_itx> i just got back last night
[23:22:19] <Tom_itx> not so much a vacation as a trip to the inlaws
[23:22:43] <PCW> haven't been anywhere for ~4 years really really need some time off
[23:24:36] <andypugh> PCW: Do you have a firmware > rev22 for 5i23 with 2 x 4chan sserial ports?
[23:24:42] <PCW> 7I75 is I/O protector like 7I42, 7I74 is 8 channel SSERIAL RS-422 interface like 7I44
[23:24:53] <andypugh> I _could_ assume the patch works for multiple ports, but it seems a risk
[23:25:16] <PCW> I can cobble one up pretty fast
[23:25:22] <andypugh> Please.
[23:25:34] <andypugh> Or a 2 x 1 5i25 :-)
[23:27:22] <andypugh> I <3 codepad.org
[23:28:00] <andypugh> it's a really nice way to try out code fragments (possibly collabaratively) without doing a full build.
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[23:31:37] <PCW> Just made a 32 channel SSERIAL config for a customer
[23:34:07] <PCW> do you remember what the 4-4 sserial bitfile was called? I'll name this one the same
[23:37:48] <andypugh> svss8_44.bit
[23:38:16] <andypugh> PCW: He must want an awful lot of IO
[23:38:22] <PCW> ok freeby.mesanet.com/5i23svss8_44.bit
[23:38:57] <PCW> Yes its some large machine retrofit (non-emc)
[23:39:44] * JT-Shop goes to find some M3 standoffs while the RIP builds
[23:42:02] <RyanS> With the current draw on a stepper, should I just do voltage / resistance of one coil or both coils added together?
[23:42:57] <PCW> I can make a 5I25 config but its more of a nuisance since I need to test it first so it does not "brick" your 5I25
[23:43:19] <JT-Shop> RyanS: let me get you a link
[23:43:42] <JT-Shop> RyanS: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Stepper_Formulas
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[23:45:00] <RyanS> Because I'm running a11 ohm stepper @ 24v and it's overheating The H bridge chip which is rated at 2A
[23:46:59] <RyanS> The strange thing is I have seen those CNC kits on ebay some are 1.4ohm being driven at 24v, yet the entire controller for 3 axis is only 10A
[23:47:36] <PCW> Thats because the step drive has current control
[23:47:56] <PCW> what is the current rating of your step motors?
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[23:50:03] <JT-Shop> Houston we have ignition!
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[23:50:42] <RyanS> I'm not sure, http://www.nessales.com/ebay/9033/NKBNJGVBKFGBNGB2.JPG it is the same model but mine says 11 ohm
[23:51:06] <JT-Shop> what is hm2_5i25.0.led.CR01?
[23:52:37] <RyanS> Perhaps I should just try 12v it should drop the current down to approx 1A
[23:53:39] <PCW> one of the 2 user LEDS
[23:54:00] <JT-Shop> ok
[23:54:11] <PCW> green
[23:54:40] <RyanS> 24v is what the printer o power supply was yet it is only 0.6A. It can't even deliver enough current to overload my chip ..
[23:55:23] <PCW> Must have had a current controlled driver
[23:57:28] <andypugh> JT-Shop: LEDs need work (in general)
[23:57:48] <andypugh> I messed up the card detection, so all cards have 8 LEDs.
[23:58:11] <JT-Shop> ok, I was just cruising through the pin list in the Hal Configuration window
[23:58:30] <JT-Shop> yep, sure does
[23:58:57] <PCW> I cant remember if the number of LEDS is available in the IDROM
[23:59:54] <Danimal_garage> 100 million