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[00:09:27] <andypugh> Just heard that Steve Jobs has died.
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[00:20:28] <Jymmm> andypugh: just heard it myself too
[00:20:38] <zhanx> same here
[00:20:46] <Jymmm> http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/steve-jobs-apple-ceo-dies/story?id=14383813
[00:20:53] <zhanx> weird thing is i got a text on it
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[00:21:50] <andypugh> Not sure I would have liked him, but I like the stuff. Also, Linux owes a lot to Apple, and they wouldn't have been Unixy without NeXT.
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[00:29:32] <Jymmm> http://www.apple.com/
[00:30:39] <andypugh> It comes as a shock when effectively-infinite wealth can't buy health.
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[02:54:35] <fritzgutten_> i need a hal specialist, anyone willing to help?
[02:56:39] <archivist> just ask the real question
[02:58:09] <fritzgutten_> trying to set up a stepper driven spindle, having trouble understanding how to connect signals and pins
[02:59:11] <fritzgutten_> i've gotten emc to start again...and the spindle controls show up, but i'm not getting any movement
[02:59:44] <fritzgutten_> tested the hardware configured as an a axis
[03:00:45] <fritzgutten_> so connecting stepgen.3.velocity-cmd to parport.0.pin-09-out appears to be the issue
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[03:23:10] <fritzgutten_> i'm registering values on motion.spindle-speed-out and spindle-cmd-rpm
[03:24:33] <fritzgutten_> but nothing on spindle-step or my pp pin
[03:34:02] <fritzgutten_> i dont think i understand the syntax of the hal file. i thought i had read that a net comand is followed by a signal and however many ?readers ? is that right?
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[10:36:51] <jthornton> fritzgutten_: are you still here?
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[11:49:22] <jthornton> using a 5i20 + 7i47 and SVST2_4_7I47 P2-1 0 StepGen Chan 0 Step (out) is P4 19 or 20 and 21 on the 7i47?
[11:58:12] <jthornton> pcw_home: wake up it is a lovely day today :)
[11:58:33] <SWPadnos> if only it weren't 5 AM for him ;)
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[12:01:52] <jthornton> he is sometimes up this early and if not his screen will be flashing when he does get around the computer :)
[12:02:01] <jthornton> morning SWPadnos
[12:02:15] <SWPadnos> morning
[12:02:22] <SWPadnos> strange word
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[13:07:58] <pcw_home> Stepgen 0 is TX4,TX5 so
[13:08:00] <pcw_home> P2.1 = step0
[13:08:01] <pcw_home> P2.2 = /step0
[13:08:03] <pcw_home> P2.4 = dir0
[13:08:05] <pcw_home> P2.5 =/dir0
[13:08:37] <JT-Shop> morning Peter and thanks
[13:09:13] <pcw_home> its a funny pinout (I blame Matt Shaver)
[13:09:21] <JT-Shop> Stepgen 1 is?
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[13:11:07] <pcw_home> tx6,7
[13:11:21] <JT-Shop> thanks
[13:11:42] <pcw_home> I think they are all in a row on P2
[13:12:55] <JT-Shop> ok, thanks
[13:14:58] <JT-Shop> oh yea before I forget there is a typo on the P3 pinout page "Connector P4 is a..." should be a 3 I think
[13:15:04] <JT-Shop> on the pdf
[13:15:24] <pcw_home> the other low numbered TXs are PWM/DIR
[13:15:25] <pcw_home> OK thank Ill fix that today
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[13:52:19] <JT-Shop> OK I finally got my mind right and see from dmesg that pin1 from the 5i20 is Step0 and pin 1 to the 7i47 is TX4... I knew I had seen it somewhere or another
[13:58:48] <pcw_home> Yeah its a little awkward, you need to look at the configuration pinout, and two pages of the 7I47 manual at once
[13:59:37] <JT-Shop> I need to put a tip in the manual about the connections
[14:00:17] <JT-Shop> that is a weird pinout now that I look at it
[14:04:10] <JT-Shop> pcw_home: if I'm just driving 3 stepper drives do I need to supply the Aux 5v to the 7i47?
[14:04:16] <pcw_home> Yeah its intended for differential encoders and step/dir migh have been better to rename the TX pins so TX4 was TX0 but I think its a compromise
[14:04:18] <pcw_home> to use our standard encoder pinout on the RX lines and have some mathing TX near the RX for serial use
[14:04:54] <pcw_home> No you should not need to (mainly thats for encoders)
[14:05:04] <JT-Shop> OK, just wanted to make sure
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[15:24:38] <skunkworks> mmmmm smell of new carbide in the morning...
[15:27:26] <archivist> usually its the metal being cut smelling!
[15:28:06] <skunkworks> my order from enco came
[15:29:11] <archivist> I can imagine the protective oil/wrapper whiff but not carbide
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[15:30:07] <skunkworks> right :)
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[15:31:13] <skunkworks> seb!
[15:31:36] <pcw_home> Sorry skunkworks, your poetic license is revoked,we're infested with strict literalists
[15:32:32] <skunkworks> jokes on you! I never had a poetic license ;)
[15:32:45] * archivist giggles
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[15:36:47] <sarariman_seb> morning!
[15:37:11] <sarariman_seb> logger[psha], tell me about skunk's poetry
[15:37:43] <sarariman_seb> heh
[15:38:22] <pcw_home> Hi seb Did you see Issys muxed enco der problem was his hardware?
[15:39:25] <sarariman_seb> i saw you said it was a slow opto or something on his rs 422 line?
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[15:40:00] <pcw_home> Which reminds me,shunkwords did you try the new bitfile to see if it fixed the muxed encoder scaling?
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[15:41:13] <sarariman_seb> a bitfile with v3 muxed encoders?
[15:43:00] <pcw_home> Not the RS422 side, the muxed encoder scheme works by alternately enabling 2 RS422 receivers per encoder pair (they drive a common bus)
[15:43:02] <pcw_home> but the receivers issy used had slow enable/disable times so never really drove the bus
[15:43:04] <pcw_home> (yes a V3 muxed encoder bitfile)
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[15:44:18] <sarariman_seb> cool it'd be nice to get that fix into the git repo that we build our hostmot2 firmware packages from, but i think only jeff knows how to do that
[15:45:22] <pcw_home> I think its just a file replacement, I dont think anything but the top level files are different from ours
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[15:51:51] <pcw_home> there are only 2 new top level files (topPCITargetHostMot2 and TopEthernetHostmot2). but all top level files have changed a bit.
[15:51:53] <pcw_home> and there are many changes in SSERIAL, BISS, UART, etc. Its also somewhat awkward in tha you need webpack10 or < for Spartan2
[15:51:55] <pcw_home> but 13 or > for Spartan 6. I should figure out how to make the top level files compatible with both EMCs script buildable source and the GUI
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[15:54:46] <pcw_home> must resist replying to USB thread
[15:55:09] <skunkworks> pcw_home: sorry - I have been machining and have not had a chance to tinker
[15:56:17] <JT-Shop> you have the power Peter
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[16:24:51] <Danimal_garage> mornin
[16:27:21] <theos> night
[16:33:07] <JT-Shop> SWEET! my ngcgui sub for the plasma works :)
[16:33:51] <sarariman_seb> ngcgui seems really cool, but i haven't played with it yet
[16:34:27] <Danimal_garage> i dont even know what it is lol
[16:35:39] <Danimal_garage> i'm assuming since i only do production work on my machines i probably wouldnt need it, right?
[16:35:44] <sarariman_seb> i think of it as a gui for mdi subroutine invocation
[16:35:54] <sarariman_seb> yes i think it's more for "manual cnc"
[16:36:26] <Danimal_garage> gotcha, kinda what i thought it was
[16:36:38] <Danimal_garage> makes it into a conversational control
[16:36:46] <sarariman_seb> yeah
[16:37:28] <Loetmichel> re @ home
[16:37:31] <Danimal_garage> is that what you would set up for probing? or no?
[16:37:55] <sarariman_seb> you could use it for probing, sure
[16:38:30] <Danimal_garage> cool
[16:38:39] <Danimal_garage> i'd still like to set up a probe someday
[16:38:53] <JT-Shop> you can make a pyvcp button to run any sub you want
[16:39:03] <Danimal_garage> nice
[16:39:39] <JT-Shop> I have one on the plasma that just does a MDI command G53 G0 X0 Y0 Z0 for a rapid to machine home
[16:40:26] <psha> sarariman_seb: -dev
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[16:41:17] <Danimal_garage> you know what would be cool? drop down menus where i could select the part type in the first one (chainrings, cogs, etc), select the bolt pattern in the next box, the material in the next one, and the tooth count in the last
[16:41:32] <Danimal_garage> so i wouldnt have to go and search for programs
[16:41:41] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: I use ngcgui for most ops on the lathe and it saves me a ton of time... almost everything I make is different :/ :)
[16:42:27] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: yea, that's great for what you do, totally makes sense. that was the cool thing about proto traks
[16:42:53] <JT-Shop> the one I just did for the plasma cuts a square/rectangle of any size with corner radius and torch lead in
[16:43:06] <Danimal_garage> nice
[16:43:36] <Loetmichel> <- Stuuuuuuupid! ... should opened the car window wider than 1/2" regrdless of the rain for getting rid of the cigaret... bounced back, juggled a little, now i have a big blister on my left middle finger :-(
[16:43:49] <Loetmichel> should have
[16:44:15] <jdhNC> s/opened$/have quit smoking/
[16:44:20] <Danimal_garage> i have a better idea, don't smoke
[16:44:31] <Danimal_garage> ah you beat me to it
[16:46:37] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: rub Aloe Vera gel or raw (if you have the plant around your house)
[16:47:05] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: nobody has heard of any heavy duty garage door seals around here, all they have is the crappy ones i already have
[16:47:44] <Danimal_garage> although i did notice that the seals aren't actually touching the door, i was considering buying more of the same stuff and putting on another layer
[16:48:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: about 5 times, it's a natural mild topical anesthetic
[16:48:38] <Danimal_garage> i have one lonely aloe plant in my back yard
[16:48:46] <Danimal_garage> not even sure how it got there
[16:49:34] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: one? The ones I have go bannanas. I have to split them apart each year. Even shipped one to a friend in SoCal and now it's 4ft tall
[16:49:53] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: aloe plants?
[16:49:56] <Loetmichel> here in germany?
[16:50:36] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: you can buy aloe vera gel too. just check the label and make sure water is NOT the first ingredient
[16:50:59] <Loetmichel> where it rains only 2 times a year? (from march to july and from augus 'til november ;-) )?
[16:51:31] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: Aloe vera is one of those plants you can seriously abuse and it still grows.
[16:51:52] <Danimal_garage> i've never watered mine
[16:52:06] <Danimal_garage> my cactus grows like that though
[16:52:14] <Jymmm> same family
[16:52:19] <Jymmm> as cactus
[16:52:28] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i have a good burn ointment here
[16:52:34] <Loetmichel> already applied
[16:52:45] <Danimal_garage> i got a group of 3 that grew off of another one, and they're only maybe 1.5 years old, and now they're about 4-5 feet tall
[16:53:24] <Loetmichel> Danimal_garage/ Jymmm: jeah, DRY is good for cactus/aloe...
[16:53:28] <Danimal_garage> i can actually see them grow day by day
[16:53:36] <Loetmichel> WET isnt really good
[16:54:03] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: k
[16:54:30] <Loetmichel> you've read the (), did you? ;-)
[16:54:33] <Danimal_garage> wet is only good for growing moldy bread
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[16:55:05] <JT-Shop> I was having so much fun cutting tube caps I cut too many LOL
[16:55:22] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: sell em on ebay ==)
[16:55:33] <Danimal_garage> lol
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[16:59:08] <Jymmm> Other than injection/IV, has any ever used alcohol wipes (in lil packets) for medical purposes by chance?
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[16:59:29] <IchGuckLive> hi all
[17:00:04] <IchGuckLive> NY and the east of the USA is expecting a Headwave over the weekend
[17:00:16] <IchGuckLive> Connor: ?
[17:00:20] <Danimal_garage> i wring them out into little shot glasses when i'm out of beer
[17:00:22] <Connor> ye'
[17:00:24] <Connor> a
[17:00:35] <Connor> err.. stupid keyboard... yea? :)
[17:00:41] <IchGuckLive> waht is with the pedant connecting files
[17:00:58] <IchGuckLive> did you do a example ß
[17:01:02] <IchGuckLive> ?
[17:01:24] <cpresser> what do you call this tool: http://up.picr.de/1014748.jpg
[17:01:37] <Connor> Umm.. to be honest.. I stopped work on project for a while don't remember where I left off.
[17:01:48] <IchGuckLive> i got alot incoming mails for this projekt i made with my pendant from Reichelt germany
[17:01:54] <jdhNC> screw extractor?
[17:02:02] <Danimal_garage> ez out
[17:02:22] <Connor> I'm sure. You posted anything up about it ?
[17:02:48] <cpresser> thanks jdhNC, Danimal_garage . this one gets added to my vocabulary.
[17:02:51] <IchGuckLive> cpresser: left twist LINKSDRALL
[17:03:14] <cpresser> IchGuckLive: i know the german name :)
[17:03:25] <Danimal_garage> they sell them at most auto parts and hardware stores
[17:03:32] <IchGuckLive> Connor: the youtube video and the GLCD forum did most of the attract
[17:03:44] <Connor> Ahh.
[17:03:56] <IchGuckLive> cpresser: translator Google ?
[17:04:11] <IchGuckLive> swerve to the left
[17:04:22] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:04:57] <skunkworks> I have had pretty good luck drillig a hole in a broken bolt and hammering a allan wrench into it.
[17:05:07] <cpresser> i dont think any sane native speaking person would be able to understand 'LINKS OF TWIST' (google translation) :)
[17:05:31] <IchGuckLive> cpresser: agree
[17:06:05] <IchGuckLive> connar are you interestet in all the files from eagle and emc
[17:06:18] <IchGuckLive> Connor: ofcause
[17:06:45] <Connor> Yea. Sure.
[17:07:00] <jdhNC> what's a headwave?
[17:07:14] <IchGuckLive> http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/230711193031_V1_manue.jpg
[17:07:47] <IchGuckLive> jdhNC: Warm Wether heading your way
[17:07:54] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: if your programs were all numbered you could do that in ngcgui... just click on a tab and enter the number
[17:08:00] <IchGuckLive> jdhNC: what wars irean like
[17:08:11] <JT-Shop> I think
[17:08:33] <jdhNC> a few tree limbs down, lots of rain and blowing, not much else
[17:08:44] <IchGuckLive> jdhNC: there where a Freak transmitting live video from near your location all the night
[17:09:19] <jdhNC> my power only went out for an hour or two in the middle of the night.
[17:09:41] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: the door seals are this product http://www.garage-doors-and-parts.com/garage-door-weather-seal.html#sss
[17:10:18] <JT-Shop> http://www.garage-doors-and-parts.com/garage-door-weather-seal.html#dsp
[17:10:31] <jdhNC> hurricane philippe is screwing up my weekend diving plans.
[17:10:40] <jdhNC> as did Ophelia last weekend
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[17:22:27] <IchGuckLive> here the autem came by today after 2 nice summer weeks
[17:26:44] <A2Sheds> we had fall last month, back to summer this week
[17:27:15] <IchGuckLive> A2Sheds: where in the world
[17:27:30] <A2Sheds> midwest US
[17:27:44] <andypugh> Odd, we had summer last week, and now it is about 20 degrees cooler.
[17:27:51] <IchGuckLive> thats the headwave im talking about
[17:28:19] <jdhNC> we usually have summer until thanksgiving
[17:28:33] <skunkworks> heatwave?
[17:28:35] <jdhNC> and a good christmas is 70F
[17:28:53] <IchGuckLive> jdhNC: did you shoot the turky
[17:29:15] <jdhNC> heh, nope, I'm not big on blood.
[17:29:19] <IchGuckLive> at Ebay B) XD :D
[17:29:41] <IchGuckLive> Joke cool
[17:31:17] <A2Sheds> IchGuckLive: are you in the north?
[17:31:37] <IchGuckLive> Germany Ramstein AFB
[17:32:51] <IchGuckLive> Connor: mails in ?
[17:33:50] <andypugh> I thought Ramstein were a band?
[17:33:59] <IchGuckLive> also
[17:34:31] <A2Sheds> IchGuckLive: almost everyone in tech I meet from Germany are in your area or farther south near Freiburg
[17:34:58] <IchGuckLive> pilsen ?
[17:35:34] <IchGuckLive> in Tech means checheslowakia?
[17:36:18] <A2Sheds> technology = computing, software, machine design, etc
[17:36:26] <IchGuckLive> oh there are more then 100.000 US personal here
[17:37:02] <IchGuckLive> here is the mashining production of the Germans
[17:37:12] <IchGuckLive> also Terrex crane
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[17:44:09] <Rogge> Hello, all. Is it possible to set a tolerance for G2/G3 I and J values? I keep getting a "Radius to end of arc differs from radius to start" errors. The errors are tiny (tenths), and I think I get them because my code has only 3 decimal points of precision.
[17:44:27] <Rogge> The same code runs fine on a Fanuc-style control.
[17:45:47] <Rogge> Code can be found here: http://pastecode.com/bc
[17:46:44] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: 0.002 millimeter (if millimeters are being used).
[17:46:54] <IchGuckLive> i think your code is bad
[17:48:36] <Rogge> Code is in inches, works on other controls. Is there a way to change the .002mm seting?
[17:49:12] <IchGuckLive> in inche i see but only 3 digits why ???
[17:49:42] <IchGuckLive> dident you got a cam system
[17:51:30] <Rogge> Yes - but I don't have the solid model for this part (old code left over from previous era). I'm stil curious, why does EMC balk at this when other controls are OK with it?
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[17:54:37] <IchGuckLive> to precise
[17:54:59] <Rogge> And no way to change that level of precision?
[17:56:05] <archivist> your code is only to a thou, first google tells me emc is 2 tenths
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[17:58:30] * archivist wonders if a looser setting on the trajectory planner will let it through
[17:59:08] <Rogge> I don't want to change the base movement accuracy of EMC, just the allowable variation on the difference between the I/J radius and the start and endpoint.
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[17:59:23] <Rogge> Which traj planner setting are you referring to?
[17:59:40] <archivist> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G61,-G61.1,-G64:
[18:00:30] <Rogge> @archivist - you're saying preface the code with a G64 P.002?
[18:00:42] <archivist> try it
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[18:01:52] <Rogge> Didn't work....
[18:02:28] <IchGuckLive> N780 is total wrong
[18:04:28] <Rogge> @IchGuckLive - This code works fine on other controls. I don't think that N780 is totally wrong, just out by a few tenths.
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[18:04:56] <IchGuckLive> (% falti
[18:05:01] <IchGuckLive> 8%
[18:06:30] <IchGuckLive> the code runs to N770 perfect
[18:07:43] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/061011200730_Bildschirmfoto-34.png
[18:07:51] <IchGuckLive> look at my outpiut
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[18:10:47] <Xolotl4> Hi i have a question, what is the difference between the HAL commands linksp, linkps, net?
[18:11:50] <skunkworks> the link* commands are being depreciated.. Net does it all.
[18:13:44] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: got it
[18:13:57] <IchGuckLive> N770 X-0.782 Y-0.579 I0.768 J-0.343
[18:14:08] <Xolotl4> ok thanks, so link* examples are old ones
[18:14:14] <Rogge> IchGuckLive: I know that it doesn't like that line (and many lines after it), but my GSK controller and Mach3 have no problem with it. SO my question is, is there any way I can get EMC to run this code, or should I give up and run it on a different machine?
[18:14:43] <IchGuckLive> it runs on my mahine
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[18:14:56] <IchGuckLive> i will upload the running code momen
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[18:16:08] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/488406/ here is the running corrected code
[18:17:04] <IchGuckLive> you can easy do this by yourself cause the error gives you the corrected i/J values
[18:20:15] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: dont forgewt to ad a Z safty move at the last
[18:20:30] <Rogge> IchGuck - the actual code is 20,000 lines. I can't go through and fix every instance manually. Thank you for your help, though. I'll just run this on a different machine.
[18:21:24] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: up to you
[18:22:37] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: there is a converting programm from inch to mm this will give you the best output for 20.000 lines its warth a try
[18:24:11] <IchGuckLive> Rogge: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Converting_Tools
[18:27:55] <Rogge> IchGuckLive: How would converting the program to metric units help? This would just multiply the erroneous values by 2.54, no?
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[18:28:34] <IchGuckLive> no
[18:29:08] <IchGuckLive> so i need to move on
[18:29:11] <IchGuckLive> By for me
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[18:33:30] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: thanks, that's what i already have
[18:34:06] <Danimal_garage> but it isnt hitting the door for some reason. Maybe i'll put another layer on that does
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[19:27:16] <JT-Shop> or pull them off and position them closer or move the door closer to the frame
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[19:31:59] <andypugh> Rogge: I think that the conversion program probably recalculates the centre points, and probably adds enough places of decimals (you could even try translating both ways)
[19:37:15] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: http://imagebin.org/177698
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[19:39:09] <Rogge> Andy: Any hints on how to get and run the conversion? I'm pretty new to Linux...
[19:39:36] <andypugh> Rogge: I just looked, and it seems that it doesn't recalculate arc centres. However, it ought to be possible to use that code to actually recalculate arcs with some simple changes
[19:39:55] <cpresser> Rogge: do you want to run the program on emc2? if yes, just change G20/G21
[19:40:35] <Rogge> Andy: That'
[19:40:39] <andypugh> cpresser: The problem isn't units, it is that the arc centres are not specified to enough tolerance to satisfy EMC2
[19:41:04] <cpresser> ah sorry, i didnt get the whole conversation
[19:41:16] <Rogge> that's OK - I'll go about redoing the model and CAM. I'm surprised that the tolerance on the arc centers isn't something that can be set in the INI file though...
[19:42:03] <Rogge> Out of curiosity, is IchGuckLiv's response correct - that I/J and arc centers must line up within .002mm?
[19:42:09] <andypugh> Well, the question is what should EMC2 do about inaccurate centres? Where should it actually put the cutter if the centre of the arc is ambiguous?
[19:42:45] <JT-Shop> Rogge: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G2,-G3:-Arc
[19:43:14] <DaViruz> it should stop with an error
[19:43:16] <DaViruz> imo :(
[19:43:43] <Rogge> JT-Shop - many thanks! Did you search for that, or know it's location? If you searched, what terms did you use?
[19:43:46] * JT-Shop wonders why mm has a tighter arc tolerance
[19:44:20] <andypugh> JT-wrote the docs, he knows all the URLs by heart
[19:44:26] <JT-Shop> inches = 0.0002" mm = 0.0000787"
[19:44:26] <andypugh> :-)
[19:44:53] <JT-Shop> well I know where some are
[19:45:20] <Rogge> Ahah! I hate to bother people for information that I could have found myself. Embarassingly, it took me months to find out how to search the user list...
[19:45:35] <JT-Shop> I still don't know how to do that :/
[19:45:48] <Rogge> http://sourceforge.net/search/?group_id=6744&type_of_search=mlists
[19:46:14] <JT-Shop> Rogge: thanks for the link
[19:46:26] <andypugh> Rogge: I wonder how many lines need changing? if it is only one in 760 lines, it might be manageable, and IchGlucklive seemed to hint that changing only line 760 was enough for him.
[19:47:22] <andypugh> (Though possibly only for a small portion that you posted, thinking about it)
[19:47:22] <Rogge> Well, it's 20,000 lines long, and it started throwing errors on line 30 of the roughing toolpath. The finishing path looks much worse.
[19:47:30] <andypugh> Ah, OK.
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[19:47:53] <Rogge> I think I can dig up a model, and it shouldn't take too long to redo the CAM.
[19:48:40] <andypugh> Just adding another place of decimals should be all it needs.
[19:49:12] <Rogge> Admission here: I ran the code in Mach and had loss of position that was concretely attributable to the (lack of) processing power. I wanted to see (as I suspect) if EMC was more stable in its software step generation.
[19:49:45] <JT-Shop> did you run the latency test?
[19:52:04] <Rogge> I did - results seemed quite good (~4 uS jitter)
[19:52:26] <JT-Shop> nice
[19:52:41] <JT-Shop> now if your step timings are correct for your drive your good to go
[19:53:03] <JT-Shop> also did you know on huge files you can turn off the back plot?
[19:53:05] <Rogge> Andy - OT, but I saw your VFD run as a servo for that lathe spindle motor with EMC closing the PID loop... very cool!
[19:54:07] <Rogge> Did you see an increase in the low speed torque of the motor as a result of the velocity feedback?
[19:55:08] <Rogge> JT - Does EMC draw the toolpath when you're not on the toolpath display tab?
[19:55:28] <JT-Shop> I don't know the answer to that :/
[19:55:49] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: yea, mine are being obstructed by something, i cant really move them any closer
[19:56:01] <Danimal_garage> mine dont sit flat like that at all
[19:56:02] <Rogge> JT - how do you turn it off? In the INI, or can you do it from the GUI?
[19:56:03] <JT-Shop> Rogge: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gui_axis.html#r1_11_7
[19:56:17] <JT-Shop> get the hammer out Dan
[19:56:49] <Rogge> !!!! You really do know all the URLs by heart....
[19:56:49] <Danimal_garage> i think the opening might be a hair big for the door so the seals hit the metal frame first
[19:57:11] <JT-Shop> ah
[19:57:25] <JT-Shop> LOL not really Rogge
[19:58:25] * JT-Shop listens to House of Fun
[19:59:19] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: just looked, yea, it's hitting the frame. i'll just put on a second piece on top of the first lol
[19:59:26] <Danimal_garage> kinda hack, but it'll work
[19:59:37] <Danimal_garage> and you won't be able to really tell anyways
[19:59:52] <JT-Shop> what ever works when your not comfortable is good
[19:59:56] <JT-Shop> double seals
[20:00:16] <Danimal_garage> exactly haha
[20:00:34] <Danimal_garage> i just don't want to have to repaint anything either
[20:00:38] <JT-Shop> dang tiny diff Dan
[20:00:59] <JT-Shop> only had a 1/4 cup of oil in it :/ but looks ok
[20:01:10] <Danimal_garage> ah, you got it pulled apart?
[20:01:30] <JT-Shop> yea, yesterday
[20:01:33] <Danimal_garage> how are you going to mount the sprocket?
[20:01:50] <JT-Shop> not got that far yet...
[20:03:47] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/177702
[20:04:53] <Danimal_garage> do you think that can handle 24hp? lol
[20:05:33] <JT-Shop> probably mount it where the ring gear is the sproket is 8" in diameter and the housing is only 5" in diameter
[20:05:44] <JT-Shop> yea, I think it will be ok
[20:06:21] <JT-Shop> and the 8" sprocket is a tad small already
[20:09:10] <Danimal_garage> should be pretty cool
[20:12:22] <andypugh> Rogge: I was just experimenting with the spindle. I was surprised it worked at all with that particular VFD, it made me wonder how well you could make a flux-vector VFD work.
[20:14:49] <Rogge> I'll most likely try it in the next few months... I have an Emerson sensorless vector drive that I'd like to use on a lathe motor, but it performs poorly at low RPMs
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[20:51:01] <andypugh> The VFD I used for that experiment doesn't even try to move the motor at less than 20rpm.
[20:51:13] <JT-Shop> never fails when UPS is bringing you a new toy oh no a new tool the don't show up till 8pm
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[21:39:10] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i get so pissed about that
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[21:39:30] <Danimal_garage> it's because i'm residential
[21:40:29] <Danimal_garage> 20rpm? mine won't go below 150rpm
[21:40:39] <Danimal_garage> mainly because that's how i have it set
[21:41:01] <Danimal_garage> i guess i can put it in low gear any maybe get 75rpm
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[21:47:14] <andypugh> I have a gear on my mill which is 45rpm flat-out. I am not sure what that is for.
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[22:12:24] <andypugh> PCW: DO I need to process the Mode Descriptor?
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[23:08:37] <PCW> Andy, No unless you want to list the selected mode name in dmesg
[23:10:37] <andypugh> Easier not to. Quite a lot easier.
[23:11:41] <jthornton> proboStep is negative logic on the 7i47 connect step and direction to /TX and +5vdc?
[23:12:23] <PCW> andy: yes then just skip records you dont like
[23:13:29] <jthornton> http://www.probotix.com/manuals/ProboStepVX.pdf
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[23:16:54] <PCW> Confusingly enough, I think you want the TX+ lines
[23:17:20] <jthornton> and gnd?
[23:18:11] <PCW> These are RS-422 names
[23:18:13] <PCW> Yes always gnd with that drive (its not isolated so make sure your PS is isolated)
[23:18:52] <jthornton> thanks Peter
[23:19:56] <jthornton> so leave /TX not connected?
[23:20:14] <PCW> so you can use TX+ or TX- but the GND needs to connect to the drive
[23:20:15] <PCW> Yep TX- unconnected
[23:20:30] <jthornton> OK, thanks again
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[23:21:13] <PCW> TX+ and TX- can be used if you have floating (uncommited LEDs on the optos)
[23:21:26] <mshaver> The drive won't stand a 5V peak reverse voltage on it's inputs? Or it's got a common ground on the inputs?
[23:21:38] <mshaver> PCW just answers this :)
[23:21:52] <PCW> Unisolated common GND
[23:22:23] <PCW> differential is the classiest way
[23:22:24] <mshaver> If there was ever a place to spend a connector pin...
[23:22:32] <PCW> best noise immunity
[23:23:09] <mshaver> is dgarrett or seb around?
[23:23:52] <mshaver> guess not...
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[23:28:09] <andypugh> mshaver: I think one just arrived
[23:28:49] <mshaver> GoSebGo? Really? :)
[23:29:16] <GoSebGo> One what?
[23:29:21] <andypugh> It's a baseless assumption on my part.
[23:29:41] <mshaver> One of the set of seb or dgarrett
[23:29:58] <mshaver> I just asked about you
[23:30:13] <GoSebGo> Ask and you shall receive!
[23:30:40] <mshaver> if only that would work when I ask for money!
[23:31:00] <GoSebGo> Heh
[23:31:18] <GoSebGo> How's life matt? Long time no see
[23:31:19] <mshaver> anyway, dgarrett sent me your comments on my ini file commits regarding ngcgui
[23:31:49] <mshaver> I'm alive and the mortgage is current :)
[23:32:28] <mshaver> should I make 2.4 and 2.5 specific files?
[23:32:48] <GoSebGo> Oh yea! It made the merge awkward - not a showstopper but it did excessively eat into valuable drinking-beer-on-the-couch tome
[23:33:00] <GoSebGo> *time
[23:33:24] <mshaver> The 2.4 specific ini file key/value pairs didn't cause problems with 2.4, but dg thought them confusing for people who would use it as an example
[23:34:41] <mshaver> I'm getting close to making scripts to autogenerate all those smithy config files
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[23:36:25] <GoSebGo> Hold on, gotta feed the kids
[23:36:29] <GoSebGo> Will u b
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[23:36:46] <mshaver> around? yes.
[23:36:49] <GoSebGo> Be around in 30 mons?
[23:36:54] <GoSebGo> Mins
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[23:37:04] <mshaver> yes
[23:37:09] <GoSebGo> Ugh this phone keyboard sucks
[23:37:13] <GoSebGo> Ok ttys
[23:40:58] <Jymmm> mshaver: (but is the property taxes?) ;)
[23:41:06] <dgarr> mshaver: what is committed for 2.4 works, but _you_ must supply your users several files (tkapp.py, ngcgui.tcl, ngcgui_app.tcl, ngcgui_ttt.tcl)
[23:41:19] <dgarr> for 2.5, TKPKG provides everything and your users should not supply these files
[23:42:18] * JT-Shop loves ngcgui
[23:42:21] <dgarr> so i recommend removing the unrequired directives for 2.5 as they will cause great confusion
[23:45:19] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: did your pipe thread one work?
[23:46:17] <mshaver> I think I've removed all the 2.5 specific stuff. If the files you mention aren't in the config file directory, there is no error message, just no ngcgui.
[23:46:51] <JT-Shop> Dan yes
[23:47:16] <JT-Shop> the plasma one is awesome... next is box for the plasma
[23:47:23] <Danimal_garage> sweet
[23:47:27] <Danimal_garage> box?
[23:47:38] <Danimal_garage> you're gunna get your plasma laid?
[23:47:41] <JT-Shop> yea, to cut the bottom and sides of a box
[23:47:59] <JT-Shop> it would be shocking for sure
[23:48:21] <Danimal_garage> ha
[23:48:54] <dgarr> mshaver: a current (Just now) checkout of v2.5 branch has TKAPP= lines in smithy ini files, these are not needed and will cause confusion for 2.5
[23:50:27] <mshaver> OK, I'll have to checkout that branch & fix it.
[23:56:58] * JT-Shop retires to the cocina to start some chow
[23:58:02] * mshaver will be back in about 15 mins