#emc | Logs for 2011-08-19

[00:00:13] <Tom_itx> just an approximation is all i'm looking for
[00:00:51] <andypugh> 10A 80V?
[00:01:02] <Tom_itx> ok
[00:01:11] <andypugh> Maybe twice that current?
[00:01:41] <andypugh> Just a guess.
[00:01:50] <Tom_itx> that's all i'm asking for :)
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[00:02:21] <Tom_itx> just kinda trying to get an idea what to expect from my psu i'm working on
[00:02:38] <Tom_itx> ~6A 48v or so x 3
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[00:04:15] <andypugh> Tom_itx: http://www.zappautomation.co.uk/sy85sth1566204b-nema-stepper-motor-p-33.html
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[00:19:55] <JT-Shop> modern DRO
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[00:21:07] <JT-Shop> mikegg: we use to keep a keen eye on ex nuke power plant guy to see if the glowed in the dark
[00:21:16] <JT-Shop> they
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[00:42:31] <jimlay> I just finished getting my stepper controller working and I'm trying to test EMC but it doesn't look like there are packages for Ubuntu 10.10 or 11.04.
[00:42:41] <nicko> " For fun, the Radium Girls painted their nails, teeth and faces with the deadly paint produced at the factory"\
[00:42:49] <nicko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radium_Girls
[00:43:13] <nicko> jimlay>> thats right
[00:43:19] <jimlay> Is this a reflection of many people building from source?
[00:46:34] <jimlay> What I'm really looking for is someone who can give me a good pointer towards my next steps. I have a 3 axis setup working using a DAQ card I had around and I C program I've written that is controlling them excellently but I can't really tell from what I've read on the EMC2 website if I should be using EMC2, or something else.
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[00:47:15] <jimlay> It looks like EMC2 is really designed to work with the EMC2 controller and parallel port and my system is using USB and a totally different driver system.
[00:47:28] <jimlay> Do people often write different stepper drivers for EMC2?
[00:51:55] <nicko> hmmm, I;m no expert - but what do you mean by 'stepper driver' ?
[00:52:13] <nicko> as in something outboard with higher step rates than the pport ?
[00:52:54] <jimlay> no as in totally different software.
[00:53:45] <nicko> hmmmm, no they dont do it often
[00:53:48] <jimlay> My controller uses my USB port and I have code I've written that does things like "step_x(500 steps/ 10ms/step)
[00:54:26] <nicko> you mean - non-gcode non cnc control type paradigms ?
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[00:54:42] <jimlay> so I can easly controll the machine with code, but I don't really know what I need next.
[00:54:59] <jimlay> I want to use gcode.
[00:55:15] <nicko> then EMC2 is out of the box - er, for you !
[00:55:39] <jimlay> EMC2 does pretty much everything right? dxf -> gcode -> parallel port -> steppers.
[00:56:15] <jimlay> but can I make EMC2 work with my setup over my USB port?
[00:56:30] <nicko> not the dxf>gcode part as far as I know (not sure why no one else is chirping in, there are people here who develop the dang thing!)
[00:56:46] <jimlay> :) That's why I stopped by.
[00:56:59] <nicko> but I bet there a zillion ways to get that done easily - inside or outside of EMC2 with a little trick or two
[00:57:04] <jimlay> You know if I'm going to run into a lot of trouble if I try to build from source on my ubuntu 10.10 system?
[00:57:27] <jimlay> there are a zillion ways ... sort of an overwhelming number.
[00:57:30] <nicko> well, usually this board is where you'll get someone who can help - I can only help so far ...
[00:57:58] <jimlay> I figured the hard part was supposed to be getting the steppers wired up and controlled by my computer.
[00:58:02] <nicko> A lot of trouble - not sure, I just used the live CD - easy peezy
[00:58:32] <nicko> zillion ways - yes, EMC is so open plan it is overwhelming ... thats the part I got to a few weeks back
[00:58:57] <nicko> you have to cut your plans down into managable chunks or you'll get lost here
[00:59:00] <jimlay> I do a lot of linux development so a livecd would feel like a step backwards.
[00:59:06] <jimlay> :)
[00:59:17] <nicko> well, then you're ahead of me ;)
[00:59:35] <nicko> steppers are easy
[00:59:45] <jimlay> I guess I'll wait for someone more experienced to pipe up.
[00:59:51] <nicko> so your drives - you have drives ?
[00:59:56] <nicko> they take step/dir ?
[01:00:07] <jimlay> in software.
[01:00:28] <nicko> you developed them ?
[01:00:39] <jimlay> yeah.
[01:00:54] <nicko> ok, well - ha ha ha
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[01:01:02] <nicko> way outta my league ;)
[01:01:41] <nicko> there is often mention of 'hal pins just being addresses in shared memory'
[01:01:52] <nicko> IIRC that is
[01:02:09] <jimlay> what's a hal pin?
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[01:02:52] <nicko> a signal set up in HAL/EMC that is used to pass information from function to function
[01:04:05] <nicko> HAL = hardware abstraction layer
[01:05:00] <nicko> hmmm, there are lots of people here who can get you much closer to the answer of your question much sooner than I can
[01:05:31] <nicko> but they tend to respond in much more detail to more detailed questions
[01:06:00] <jimlay> yeah, I'll wait for one to pop their head up.
[01:06:06] <nicko> the developers and integrators manuals are a good start
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[01:24:27] <nicko> jimlay>> SWPadnos is a good person to ask
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[02:07:21] <SWPadnos> jimlay, USB is not really usable for motor control with EMC at the moment
[02:08:26] <SWPadnos> the realtime portions of the system, which include the trajectory planner and all HAL components (and hardware drivers) have no access to standard Linux drivers, which means no access to USB or network devices (among other things)
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[02:36:45] <A2Sheds> jimlay: even if EMC could access USB the response time of USB is pretty poor, it would only be usable for slow motors
[02:37:13] <A2Sheds> or if you didn't care about precision
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[02:40:36] <A2Sheds> http://www.stackableusb.org/white_paper_interrupts_and_usb.asp has a maximum latency table, latency jitter would also be poor
[02:41:28] <skunkworks_> logger[psha]:
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[02:57:01] <archivist> A2Sheds, that usb page looks interesting. a mode I had not noticed before
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[03:10:32] <mikegg> i'm always amazed how far $$$$ goes on newegg.com
[03:10:51] <mikegg> so many cool toys!!!
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[03:17:03] <A2Sheds> http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb1.shtml more USB spec info just FYI
[03:27:40] <archivist> A2Sheds, Ive seen the main spec, the mode I thought may warrant looking at http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb4.shtml#Isochronous
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[03:54:25] <A2Sheds> Isochronous transfers have a guaranteed bandwidth, but error-free delivery is not guaranteed. Data can get missed.
[03:55:03] <A2Sheds> also a high speed endpoint must specify a period of 1x125uS
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[04:16:29] <canid> ordered my first l297 and l298 ICs to play with.
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[04:47:53] <factor> canid:Cool they work well
[04:48:31] <canid> i'm designing a 3 axis controller
[04:48:36] <factor> as am i
[04:48:54] <factor> been working on it for months, just got a test axis working
[04:49:33] <factor> hope to get the X axis running for test tomorrow .
[04:49:48] <factor> and maybe my tool mount closer to hooking up a tool
[04:50:02] <canid> i'm going to be interested to see how i can signal 3 steppers wtih full/half step, full current/idling, cw/ccw, etc in just 16 bits
[04:50:04] <canid> but we'll see
[04:50:20] <canid> i know some signals won't need to be independent for each motor
[04:50:40] <factor> I do it with just 4 bits
[04:50:53] <factor> plus two bits for speed control.
[04:51:47] <canid> sure, i could make the controller more complicated and stream serial commands
[04:52:10] <factor> 4 bits got to two pic 16F684 pic chips.
[04:52:25] <canid> but i was hoping to make it as simple as possible using one serial interface
[04:52:39] <factor> just using one parallel port.
[04:52:52] <canid> lpt or maybe using pata, if that's possible (i don't see how it wouldn't be)
[04:52:57] <factor> will make a usb connection when I get it all working
[04:53:21] <factor> printer ports are just far easy to work with to get the ball rolling
[04:53:44] <canid> being half-educated; i can't see why people don't make more use of PATA, since so many boards still have at least one controller for that interface
[04:53:55] <canid> even where the lpt has been abandoned
[04:54:08] <canid> so that's one of my quests
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[04:56:49] <canid> i suppose the other control bits on either interface could be exploitable as well
[05:00:06] <canid> unfortunately i ordered my ICs from china. the prices and shipping were both great, but i'm afraid to see how long $1.3 shipping from china will take
[05:01:01] <canid> and i'd have loved to be able to buy several of each, but i only went wtih 1, and some burly schottky diodes since i only had a couple bucks to spare
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[09:03:42] <Loetmichel> mornin'
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[09:43:25] <automata> afternoon
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[13:47:40] <JT-Shop> crumb, my can of primer is all dried up... you would think that stuff would last forever on the shelf :/
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[13:49:32] <skunkworks> I have the same issue with pvc glue
[13:49:45] <skunkworks> every time I go to use it - it's dried up
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[15:21:21] <jtektool> amybody on here have any experience converting a "MIGHTY VIPER" CNC
[15:21:41] <jtektool> our controls are starting to show their age
[15:22:05] <jtektool> and am afraid that they will go out soon
[15:23:53] <jtektool> I still have two other machines I want to convert (old Anilam Controls) beforehand and we have converted one succesfully
[15:24:13] <jtektool> using only parallel port...
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[15:24:48] <skunkworks> why only the printer port?
[15:24:57] <jtektool> It was a proof of concept
[15:25:13] <jtektool> so i could get money from management to make another
[15:25:36] <A2Sheds> is there something unique about the machine that will prevent its conversion?
[15:25:47] <jtektool> I dont know its just huge
[15:25:57] <jtektool> when im in the box its like whoa!
[15:26:13] <jtektool> theyre huge gian cnc drives
[15:26:27] <A2Sheds> time and $$
[15:26:57] <jtektool> but the computers inside seem to be the problem
[15:27:04] <jtektool> not really the drives
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[15:28:01] <A2Sheds> which model is yours?
[15:28:13] <jtektool> I have a 900 and an 1100
[15:28:14] <skunkworks> Do you know what the drives are? what they take for control?
[15:28:33] <jtektool> yeah i guess thats what im asking is about the drives
[15:28:33] <archivist> jtektool, just ask skunkworks if huge was a problem :)
[15:29:15] <jtektool> im not on the site right now but will come back with details later i guess
[15:29:31] <skunkworks> Huge is not a problem... Although if you are set on using the printer port - you are pretty limited in the size of servo drives you can get (step/dir servo drives)
[15:30:07] <jtektool> no not set on parallel port at all
[15:30:19] <skunkworks> and imho a pretty crappy way of doing it. :) (step/dir)
[15:30:22] <jtektool> i just did that as my entry level project on a smaller knee mill
[15:30:25] <A2Sheds> PRO 1000AP?
[15:30:38] <A2Sheds> sorry, wrong model
[15:30:55] <jtektool> the parts were making on that knee mill are only 1" by 1"
[15:31:11] <A2Sheds> http://www.machinetools.com/us/listings/spec_sheet/mighty-viper-vmc-1100ag
[15:31:39] <A2Sheds> X, Y, Z-Axis (Fanuc) 4.02HP........... X, Y, Z-Axis (Mitsubishi) 2.68HP
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[15:32:07] <jtektool> yeah mitsubishi with meldas card in control
[15:32:24] <A2Sheds> Spindle Motor: 30min/Peak 20HP/25HP
[15:33:37] <jtektool> that thing has always intimidated me
[15:34:04] <jtektool> even when brand new i cut my teeth on that thing
[15:34:50] <jtektool> whoops first part i ever run i put 2.5 instead of .25 as depth and drove a drill chuck right into table (15 years ago)
[15:35:02] <jtektool> lol
[15:35:50] <jtektool> it gets 750 ipm rapids or so
[15:35:58] <jtektool> can i get that with a mesa card
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[15:37:39] <jtektool> what is the mhz on a mesa card
[15:38:07] <jtektool> and which mesa card is the best to get?
[15:39:02] <A2Sheds> jtektool: PCW should be around later, it's still early on the west coast
[15:39:45] <jtektool> ok cool
[15:40:03] <jtektool> i also have a cintimatic which is going to be my next project
[15:40:26] <jtektool> i have 3 sets of anilam controls left but not sure if they work
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[15:41:06] <jtektool> <<<living in ohio has its advantages, we have a lot of old presses and can got to cleveland to trade for old cncs with burnt out controls
[15:41:22] <A2Sheds> I don't see a problem with the controls, you'll just have to find servo amps you like for the spindle
[15:41:47] <A2Sheds> I see used equipment from Ohio all the time
[15:42:08] <jtektool> yeah theres an auction house up here every week
[15:42:33] <jtektool> thinking of making this a side business and retrofitting all those old machines are cheap here
[15:43:01] <A2Sheds> moving a 25,000Lb machine from Ohio to Chicago can cost as much as the used machine
[15:43:24] <jtektool> yeah but not from cleveland to sandusky
[15:43:31] <jtektool> (OHIO)
[15:43:39] <A2Sheds> upper or lower?
[15:44:07] <jtektool> well upper sandusky is actually south and i live on the lake in sandusky
[15:44:20] <jtektool> its a common misconception that lower sandusky is south
[15:44:43] <jtektool> it actually has its name because its on a hill
[15:44:49] <A2Sheds> working used CNC are selling for so low here that it doesn't make much sense to repair or retrofit
[15:45:24] <jtektool> like how low
[15:45:25] <A2Sheds> for resale
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[15:45:55] <A2Sheds> used working fanuc center for instance <$4K
[15:46:22] <JT-Shop> if you want cheap fluorescent bulbs you better run to the store now http://synergylightingusa.com/tag/rare-earth-metal-shortage/
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[15:47:29] <jtektool> but how long is that going to last versus a complete retrofit with new drives and all
[15:47:45] <jtektool> retrofit kits are like $20 - 30 k
[15:48:01] <A2Sheds> true, but people don't want to pay for an upgraded cnc center
[15:48:19] <A2Sheds> it's like used cars, they just see age and model
[15:48:47] <jtektool> i guess i have no experience in that market but people are just giving us stuff
[15:49:05] <jtektool> i have 20+ robots someone just gave me
[15:49:14] <jtektool> (xyz) robots
[15:49:24] <jtektool> was thinking of making a 3d printer
[15:49:25] <A2Sheds> 10 year old Toyota with 200K miles with new engine and trans might only sell for a few hundred more
[15:50:12] <A2Sheds> Cartesian, what travels?
[15:50:35] <jtektool> one is like i guess 18 x 20
[15:50:36] <A2Sheds> that's what we build
[15:50:52] <jtektool> was thinking of retrofitting and repainting
[15:51:07] <A2Sheds> ball screw type? ?
[15:51:08] <jtektool> they have good steppers in them (oriental motors)
[15:51:45] <jtektool> no ones i have travel on wire wound and a greased slide
[15:51:57] <A2Sheds> add some reprap extruders and you're all set
[15:52:12] <jtektool> we wre also thinkings of making a cnc soldering machine
[15:52:30] <jtektool> with so many here therez lots of posible projects
[15:52:50] <jtektool> also have access to some old epson robots
[15:53:03] <A2Sheds> nice toys
[15:53:10] <jtektool> in this economy hoping to find a niche
[15:53:29] <jtektool> people just throw them out when controls go out
[15:54:00] <jtektool> so we told them we would pich them up before the trash man
[15:54:27] <A2Sheds> the DIY 3dp people will like those
[15:54:46] <A2Sheds> #reprap
[15:56:25] <A2Sheds> there a guy build a large 3 axis extruder for shredded milk bottles, he's going to print a boat for a contest where the boat has to be made entirely out of old plastic milk bottles
[15:57:05] <A2Sheds> the rules don't say you can't shred and melt the bottles, but i have a feeling the rules will be changed for next years contest
[15:57:21] <jtektool> platic milk bottles awesome
[15:58:01] <jtektool> ha gotta go to work but il be back when i get ther
[15:58:08] <jtektool> later
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[16:04:15] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[17:17:32] <JT-Shop> air line painted... nap time now :P
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[17:56:13] <jtektool> anybody know when to epect 2.5?
[17:56:28] <jtektool> *expect
[17:57:27] <jtektool> pcw...whats the mhz on a mesa card ie max ipm?
[17:57:58] <cradek> do you mean step generation or encoder reading or what?
[17:58:16] <jtektool> step gen
[17:58:38] <cradek> not sure of the number, but it's faster than your drives can accept pulses
[17:59:03] <jtektool> is it like the 33.3 mhz of pci or less
[17:59:50] <jtektool> best mesa card with least problems
[17:59:52] <jtektool> ?
[17:59:59] <jtektool> 5i20 5i23 etc
[18:00:01] <cradek> 5i2*
[18:00:13] <Tom_itx> or parport 7I43
[18:00:33] <cradek> the parport cards are fine too, but your computer is far more likely to have bogus parport than bogus pci slots
[18:00:44] <Tom_itx> true
[18:02:17] <jtektool> any diffs between a parport 7i43 and just pport BOB
[18:02:17] <jtektool> as far as i know i can only get about 50khz out of pport
[18:02:17] <jtektool> with my setup
[18:02:34] <cradek> yes they're entirely 100% different
[18:02:52] <jtektool> my wlan just quit (overheated) did i miss a coment
[18:02:56] <cradek> no similarities except the plug itself
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[18:04:00] <skunkworks> think of a bob as just a buffer for the printer port. The 7i43 is a device that does the pwm/step generation - encoder counting. (so the computer doesn't have to)
[18:04:16] <jtektool> oh so its faster
[18:04:38] <jtektool> and yeah the bob has buffers thats about it
[18:05:24] <skunkworks> (as does the 5i2*
[18:06:05] <jtektool> im using moschp parport cards that seem much better than the onbord parport
[18:06:23] <jtektool> that was my "proof of concept" project
[18:06:42] <jtektool> but as i live in the rust belt therez no lack of projects
[18:07:05] <jtektool> people are practically giving away old mills
[18:07:36] <Tom_itx> where would the 'rust belt' be?
[18:07:41] <jtektool> ohio
[18:07:47] <Tom_itx> oh so true
[18:07:49] <jtektool> very near cleveland
[18:08:13] <cradek> rust belt emanates from HGR
[18:08:25] <jtektool> our customers run from detroit to cleveland
[18:08:26] <Tom_itx> are they usually worn out?
[18:08:53] <jtektool> some have worn ballscrews some dont usually the sticking factor is the controls
[18:09:05] <jtektool> which is where emc falls into place
[18:09:37] <cradek> fwiw, if you're worried about stepgen while retrofitting commercial machines you're likely doing it wrong
[18:10:43] <jtektool> um well im going to do pid loops on bigger machines
[18:11:00] <cradek> ok, just saying
[18:11:06] <jtektool> i just wanted to learn all the ins and outs so started at parport
[18:11:18] <cradek> gotcha
[18:11:21] <jtektool> and step/dir drives
[18:12:03] <jtektool> weird ive been messing with hal in gen2 for a while and this has put it all together with me
[18:12:06] <jtektool> in my head
[18:12:52] <jtektool> but i dont understand in linux kernel theyre mving away from hal towards udev...will this impact emc2
[18:13:53] <cradek> linux hal and emc's hal are not related
[18:14:07] <cradek> except unfortunately they have the same name
[18:14:14] <jtektool> good
[18:15:37] <jtektool> that clears a lot up for me
[18:18:46] <jtektool> 2.5 release date?
[18:18:50] <jtektool> anybody
[18:19:58] <motioncontrol> good evening or morning at all.Have a problem with iov2.when press abort it execute on_abort.ngc sub.i have add at this sub the line g18-g54-g40-g80-g90.now when press abort the command g18 and g54 are interpreted correctly, but the command g40-g80-g90 not in interpreted and not have error.can help me please ?
[18:20:01] <cradek> sorry, don't know for sure.
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[18:56:39] <motioncontrol> good evening or morning at all.Have a problem with iov2.when press abort it execute on_abort.ngc sub.i have add at this sub the line g18-g54-g40-g80-g90.now when press abort the command g18 and g54 are interpreted correctly, but the command g40-g80-g90 not in interpreted and not have error.can help me please ?
[18:57:18] <Tom_itx> yes you just posted that
[18:59:53] <motioncontrol> Tom_itx, yes excue Tom is my error, this is very problem for iov2
[19:00:27] <cradek> what git ref are you testing?
[19:03:21] <motioncontrol> emc2-70f223754b2d267f121daf6f8130aa65b519308c 2.5.0 branch
[19:03:40] <motioncontrol> 2011-03-02 data
[19:04:49] <cradek> mhaberler put a fix for this in master after you reported it. you have not updated and tried it?
[19:05:12] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: hi
[19:05:21] <cradek> does 2.5 even have on_abort etc?
[19:05:23] <mhaberler> I suggested you try master
[19:05:49] <mhaberler> you reported an wrong pin which isnt in master, so I dont know what you're running
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[19:05:57] <mhaberler> did you pull from buildbot?
[19:07:15] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: this fix is *not* in any of of the 2.5 branches
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[19:08:20] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, plase when can dowload the good version for iov2 support , excuse my ignoranze but i don't understand more git
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[19:08:58] <mhaberler> let me see if the fix is in the buildbot master version
[19:11:11] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, no it not is fix i have prove more version, in some version fuction ok, but this version have another problem about no corret m6demo load sub and halui.tool.offset info not correct. i have prove the master tool change fuction good have only problem the some g code not interpreted in sub.
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[19:12:06] <mhaberler> ok. the version you are currently running: how did you get it?
[19:13:11] <mhaberler> this version has the fix: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/master-rt/binary-i386/emc2_2.6.0~pre0.635.g2897816_i386.deb
[19:13:12] <motioncontrol> yes it is good i want resolve only g40-g80-g90 nopt executed in on_abort
[19:13:24] <mhaberler> see change file: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/master-rt/binary-i386/emc2_2.6.0~pre0.635.g2897816_i386.changes
[19:13:52] <mhaberler> I need to know what version you are running. How did you install it?
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[19:16:32] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, ok thanks i prove it
[19:16:53] <mhaberler> prove what?
[19:17:22] <cradek> prove = try/test
[19:18:15] <motioncontrol> yes excuse my english
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[19:20:12] <KimK> motioncontrol: Informi mhaberler quale versione si utilizza ora
[19:20:29] <mhaberler> ah, italiano?
[19:20:34] <KimK> No, Google
[19:20:53] <mhaberler> I *knew* *you* arent Italian ;-)
[19:20:54] <cradek> he said earlier he is running "emc2-70f223754b2d267f121daf6f8130aa65b519308c 2.5.0 branch"
[19:21:13] <cradek> which clearly doesn't have any recent fix, since it's from march
[19:21:38] <mhaberler> the suspect wont confess
[19:21:50] <cradek> well he already answered the question...
[19:21:56] <mhaberler> sortof
[19:22:02] <cradek> he is trying the master buildbot version now, I think
[19:22:25] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: I guess I can read Italian if thats easier
[19:22:36] <KimK> Sure, go for it
[19:22:43] <mhaberler> only 100km from here ;-)
[19:22:45] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, ok grazie
[19:23:04] <motioncontrol> posso scrivere in italiano
[19:23:08] <mhaberler> si
[19:23:13] <motioncontrol> bene
[19:24:04] <motioncontrol> io ho provato la versione master di marzo-2011 , ma ha il problema che non esegue g40-g80-g90 quando comando abort
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[19:25:52] <motioncontrol> ho provato la versione emc2-449512fd53c53a79af80d47281c103cec06d9063
[19:26:09] <motioncontrol> essa e' vecchia di 40 ore fa
[19:26:57] <motioncontrol> in questa versione funziona bene la on_abort, infatti esegue correttamente g40-g80-g90
[19:26:59] <motioncontrol> ma
[19:27:08] <motioncontrol> ha altri problem:
[19:27:34] <mhaberler> si, pero questa versione è di tre mesi
[19:28:00] <mhaberler> Non ha senso di sperimentare
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[19:28:43] <mhaberler> non si tratta di versioni supportate, e non c'è sviluppo attivo
[19:29:14] <motioncontrol> scusami allora il problema è che non ho capito dove scaricare l'utima versione debaggata, mi aiuti. io su git ho scaricato snapshot di 40 ore fa
[19:29:41] <mhaberler> Vi raccomando di installare il 'maestro' la versione: ~ http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/master-rt/binary-i386/emc2_2.6.0 pre0.635.g2897816_i386.deb
[19:30:43] <mhaberler> 'maestro' = 'master' (gee I like that branch)
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[19:31:55] <motioncontrol> ok quindi da http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb non si scaricato le ultime versione, cioè con snapshot e dowload non scarico la versione più recente di emc2, a me sembrava così perchè vedevo una serie di aggiornamenti ed a dx la voce snapshot
[19:33:38] <mhaberler> se vuoi tradurre dal codice sorgente, allora si dovrà ottenere la versione 'maestro' come descritto qui: # http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2 Getting_the_source_with_git
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[19:34:13] <motioncontrol> si a me serve il sorgente lo compilo in running in place
[19:35:16] <motioncontrol> git branch --track v2.4_branch origin/v2.4_branch
[19:35:16] <motioncontrol> git checkout v2.4_branch
[19:35:35] <mhaberler> una 'snapshot' di git.linuxcnc.org a carico è certamente sbagliato - si prega di leggere le istruzioni
[19:35:37] <motioncontrol> track v2.4 or 2.5 ?
[19:36:05] <mhaberler> track nothing, just do ' git clone git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/emc2.git emc2-dev'
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[19:36:58] <mhaberler> git clone git: / / dev-git.linuxcnc.org/git/emc2.git emc2 si ottiene automaticamente l'ultima versione di sviluppo mostra (master)
[19:37:22] <motioncontrol> ti ringrazio molto dell'aiuto, se capiti nel sud Italia fammi sapere sarei lieto di disobbligarmi. Molte grazie ancora, vorrei sdebitarmi.
[19:37:53] <motioncontrol> Ora proverò e ti farò sapere ancora grazie
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[19:38:12] <motioncontrol> Thanks at all for help and support and patience
[19:38:22] <mhaberler> tanti auguri
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[20:25:30] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, ho provato ci sono problemi posso disturbarti
[20:26:29] <mhaberler> si, un poco
[20:27:25] <motioncontrol> ok grazie
[20:27:51] <motioncontrol> ho scaricato da git ed ho compilato la versione scaricata come mi spegavi
[20:28:11] <motioncontrol> ho aggiornato il file lathe.ini
[20:28:17] <motioncontrol> per usare iov2
[20:28:25] <motioncontrol> comando m6 t1
[20:29:01] <motioncontrol> viene lanciata la sub tdemo e mi chiede di settare mot.dig-in-00
[20:29:10] <motioncontrol> imposto esso a true
[20:29:39] <motioncontrol> si resetta mot.dig.out-00
[20:30:04] <motioncontrol> mi appare done with prepare sub come messaggio su axis a dx, fin qui ok
[20:30:41] <motioncontrol> ora va a true iocontrol.tool.prepare
[20:30:53] <motioncontrol> setto iocontrollo tool.prepared
[20:31:10] <motioncontrol> si resetta iocontrol.tool.prepare
[20:31:41] <motioncontrol> , ma ora non viene chiamato m6demo, motion.dig.out.01 è false
[20:32:19] <motioncontrol> altri pin quali iocontrol.tool-chance sono falsi , la sequanza è ferma
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[20:32:38] <motioncontrol> il cambio utensile non va , sbaglio qualcosa, non penso
[20:33:17] <motioncontrol> ?
[20:35:45] <mhaberler> Vi consiglio la procedura M6_COMMAND T_COMMAND e attualmente non uso, in quanto molti errori sono facilmente
[20:35:45] <mhaberler> in poche settimane vi è una versione che può fare molto meglio
[20:37:18] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, ahh. ok grazie per il tuo supporto e buona serata
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[22:09:30] <JT-Shop> Dan air piping on west wall :) http://imagebin.org/168754
[22:10:07] <elmo40> ewww. iron?
[22:10:26] <JT-Shop> black iron
[22:10:29] <elmo40> better have a filter before your tools. rust+sucks=BAD
[22:10:36] <elmo40> people never learn...
[22:10:37] <JT-Shop> air is dry
[22:10:44] <elmo40> sure it is.
[22:10:49] <JT-Shop> < 50% humidity in here
[22:10:50] <elmo40> where is the dryer?
[22:10:53] <elmo40> lol
[22:10:55] <elmo40> that means nothing
[22:11:03] <JT-Shop> dryer is right after air tank
[22:11:06] <elmo40> what happens to a gas when it changes pressure?
[22:11:17] <JT-Shop> the pressure changes
[22:11:32] <JT-Shop> I know where you going with this...
[22:11:56] <elmo40> when droping pressure it absorbs heat(hence feels cool) and absorbs moisture
[22:12:11] <elmo40> should use plastic PEX for air lines.
[22:12:35] <elmo40> plus... the outside will 'sweat' and rust ;)
[22:12:42] <elmo40> iron is so wrong for airlines
[22:12:55] <elmo40> interesting lighting, i might add
[22:15:19] <JT-Shop> I have one light on each quadrant switched so I can have 25% 50% 75% or 100%
[22:15:34] <elmo40> nice
[22:15:40] <elmo40> whatever for?
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[22:16:20] <JT-Shop> I usually only have the light at 25% for general things but for fine work old farts need the sun over their head to see
[22:17:48] <elmo40> lol, so very true
[22:17:59] <elmo40> and the 10x magnification lense
[22:18:14] <JT-Shop> I have the one that mounts to your head...
[22:22:56] <elmo40> anyone try kernel 3.0?
[22:25:12] <awallin> i tried the beta of ubuntu 11.10, since it had newer gcc and boost. it has a 3.0 kernel
[22:25:20] <awallin> seemed to work...
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[22:26:22] <elmo40> just, 'work'?
[22:26:25] <elmo40> any faster? ;)
[22:27:17] <nicko> anyone here got an engineering degree ?
[22:27:26] <elmo40> you have a question?
[22:28:18] <JT-Shop> what type of engineering degree?
[22:28:22] <nicko> yup, anyone here have an engineering degree ?
[22:28:26] <nicko> heh
[22:28:45] <elmo40> dont ask to ask :P
[22:28:48] <elmo40> just ask.
[22:29:02] <nicko> yes, I did - Anyone here have an engineering degree ?
[22:29:04] <JT-Shop> I think he did
[22:29:40] <elmo40> so you only have that one question?
[22:29:50] <nicko> no
[22:29:59] <nicko> do you have a question ?
[22:30:05] <JT-Shop> lol
[22:30:07] <nicko> sheesh!?
[22:31:07] <nicko> type>> BE, ME, BEng and so on - probably if you're here, in mechanical, electrical, software, control etc...
[22:31:28] <awallin> phd in physics. will that do?
[22:31:31] <JT-Shop> nicko: a huge percentage of people ask if anyone can answer a question
[22:31:46] <JT-Shop> SOHK here
[22:32:35] <elmo40> i have papers on my wall... some i even printed, LOL
[22:32:45] <elmo40> doing a survey, nicko ?
[22:32:52] <nicko> no
[22:32:59] <elmo40> just curious?
[22:33:01] <nicko> yes
[22:33:02] <A2Sheds> MBS
[22:33:31] <nicko> I am currently doing a BE - mechanical
[22:33:51] <nicko> but have the option of doing an ME by coursework in mechatronics
[22:34:12] <elmo40> then do it.
[22:34:14] <elmo40> :P
[22:34:35] <nicko> I'm wondering what the distinction is in real terms (i.e. salary) outside of university between a bachelors and a masters
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[22:34:47] <JT-Shop> the real question arrives
[22:35:12] <nicko> and since we have a PHd aboard - what then is the disctinction between a doctorate and a masters or bachelors
[22:35:43] <A2Sheds> more loans to pay off :)
[22:35:46] <awallin> if you really want to forget real work and only manage people/money then get the highest degree, they'll make you manager in no time :)
[22:36:02] <nicko> JT-Shop>> I will *always* ask questiosn in such a fashion ... I think on things and see a progression of questions, and ask them in that way
[22:36:18] <nicko> if no one here had a masters then it'd be no use me asking ...
[22:36:37] <JT-Shop> you didn't ask if anyone had a masters...
[22:36:54] <nicko> so the 'real' question - was contingent ... NOT a foregone conclusion
[22:37:12] <JT-Shop> and we are all having fun tonight
[22:37:20] <nicko> INTP personality types have fun ?!
[22:37:44] <JT-Shop> if you say so
[22:38:06] <A2Sheds> does the TP stand for toilet paper?
[22:38:07] <nicko> A2sheds>> I am in a peculiar position in that %66 of my masters fees will be covered by an assistance grant
[22:38:35] <nicko> and PHd's as far as I can ascertain are 'free' in this part of the world
[22:38:37] <JT-Shop> Sweet!
[22:38:52] <nicko> YUP - real sweet
[22:38:58] <A2Sheds> go for the MBA then
[22:39:06] <elmo40> nicko: your method to deduce what people have then ask more questions is rather time consuming. shoot from the hip!
[22:39:19] <elmo40> im an ENTJ
[22:39:21] <JT-Shop> heh
[22:39:52] <A2Sheds> and a JD
[22:40:04] <elmo40> jack daniels?
[22:40:42] <elmo40> nicko: what part of the world are you in? i wanna move
[22:40:45] <awallin> it all depends on so much. if you stick around at uni/school, make sure you are reasonably good at it and you like it. no point whatsoever in getting a higher degree while hating every minute or being last in class
[22:40:49] <A2Sheds> more of a Jim Beam man myself, Jack is a bit too sweet for my like'ins
[22:40:56] <elmo40> new zealand?
[22:41:18] <JT-Shop> RM here
[22:41:32] <elmo40> vodka, neat. nothing else
[22:41:51] <nicko> Elmo40>>NZ, yes
[22:41:56] <nicko> how did you know ?
[22:42:09] <nicko> I have mentioned it here on this channel ...
[22:42:24] <A2Sheds> Ardbeg and Lagavulin mostly here
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[22:42:58] <JT-Shop> Remy Martin is good on a cold winter night
[22:43:13] <nicko> but the interesting part is that in NZ, where I was born I dont get any assistance (ran out of allowance doing my architecture degree)
[22:43:36] <nicko> they want 10k over 4 years for a BE
[22:44:25] <nicko> but in Australia, they'll give me $5000 a year to pay off $7.5k fees to do a Masters
[22:44:30] <nicko> I wasn't born in Aus
[22:44:37] <nicko> I have no passport
[22:44:46] <JT-Shop> home made pizza here tonight everyone is invited
[22:44:49] <nicko> in 3 years
[22:44:52] <A2Sheds> 2 years here of community college is ~$5K
[22:45:04] <nicko> here = $US ?
[22:45:11] <A2Sheds> yes US
[22:45:29] <JT-Shop> and it will get higher with the Chinese hording REM
[22:45:35] <nicko> with the exchange as it is those numbers I gave you are pretty much $US too
[22:46:05] <A2Sheds> NZ $ = .82 $ USD today
[22:46:37] <nicko> so, ha ha - another indirect question >> now that I've asked my 'real' question, is anyone going to answer it ?
[22:46:55] <nicko> Aus dollars ...
[22:47:12] <A2Sheds> you know where we live and what we drink, what else is important?
[22:47:34] <JT-Shop> it is so local no one can really answer the question
[22:47:41] <nicko> 0.95
[22:47:51] <nicko> they could answer it locally ?
[22:47:54] <JT-Shop> for example I don't have a BE but I make more money that a BE
[22:48:01] <JT-Shop> here
[22:48:31] <JT-Shop> depends on the market for engineers at your target location
[22:49:37] * JT-Shop starts the pizza now
[22:49:42] <A2Sheds> the Australian economy is taking a dive now
[22:49:44] <elmo40> i too make more money then a BE... but who doesnt? :P
[22:51:10] <nicko> I seem to live in a closed world - its either ignorance, or truly blessed (?) with an inability to be affected by all these money crisis 'trends' that pop up
[22:51:31] <nicko> I feel, its likely ignorance
[22:52:11] <nicko> I dont stick at once job long enough to see any change
[22:52:46] <A2Sheds> mining is booming out west
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[22:54:51] <A2Sheds> I have an office in Melbourne and things really slowed down the past few months there
[22:56:01] <nicko> Melbourne uni is where I'm talking about
[22:56:17] <nicko> I work in show business and film
[22:56:47] <nicko> up to a point in a depression people actually want to spend money on entertainment
[22:57:15] <A2Sheds> how about making an Australian version of "How it's Made"?
[22:58:30] <nicko> ooooh - how is 'How it's Made" made ?
[22:58:38] <nicko> I don't know the show ...
[22:58:54] <nicko> I have worked on "Lets get Inventin'" in NZ
[22:58:59] <A2Sheds> http://science.discovery.com/tv/how-its-made/
[22:59:42] <nicko> a kids show, they send in ideas, we build them with the kids - part robot wars, part 321-contact - part mythbusters
[23:00:10] <nicko> Kiddy catapult was fun
[23:00:46] <nicko> threw kids off a catapult (bungy driven) into a river while other kids fired pneumatic tomato cannons at them in the air
[23:01:00] <A2Sheds> http://tvnz.co.nz/lets-get-inventin/index-group-4199090 you in there somewhere?
[23:01:20] <nicko> thats the one - never on camera
[23:01:46] <nicko> and I was working on another job while I 'worked' on it - so you wont see a credit
[23:02:08] <nicko> but we all pitch in on whatever needs doing - I was on the rubgy world cup at the time
[23:02:21] <A2Sheds> they used to have educational shows for kids in the US, now it's mostly Jersey Shore
[23:03:40] <nicko> I remember the sequences on Seasame St where they filmed production lines
[23:03:47] <nicko> like milk being bottled and so on
[23:04:15] <nicko> maybe it was the Electric Company
[23:04:21] <Connor> Hey Guys, I'm trying to tram my head to my column.. (Got my DTI in today).. I'm noticing that when I tighten up the Lock screws on the Z axis.. it throws it out a few .0001's
[23:04:23] <Connor> Is that normal ?
[23:04:40] <nicko> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-2-1_Contact
[23:04:42] <JT-Shop> can be
[23:04:57] <JT-Shop> did you see the link the other day on tramming your head?
[23:05:13] <nicko> its certainly 'normal' on my chinese ZX45 clone
[23:05:14] <Connor> Maybe.. I've watched some of Hoss's videos on it.
[23:05:23] <A2Sheds> if they filmed those shows today, it would be of production lines in China
[23:05:43] <Connor> Okay, so, what's the practice, not to tighten up the locks and tram without them ?
[23:06:12] <JT-Shop> you have to kinda sneak up on it so to speak
[23:06:26] <A2Sheds> or scenes with brokers and bankers throwing darts or picking possible trades out of a hat
[23:06:47] <JT-Shop> it takes some practice to learn how your machine reacts
[23:07:21] <Connor> Yea.. I'm a very meticulous person when it comes to stuff.. and this is driving me nuts..
[23:07:50] <JT-Shop> I'm the same way, but they don't call it that around here
[23:07:54] <Connor> So, I have a 1/2 rod in my collet.. I have the DTI setup using a mag base attached to the column.
[23:08:27] <Connor> hehe.. let me guess, Anal Retentive ?
[23:08:32] <JT-Shop> LOL
[23:09:23] <JT-Shop> does your head move like a BP knee mill?
[23:09:33] <Connor> It's a G0704
[23:09:37] <nicko> driving your nuts is driving you nuts ?
[23:10:09] <Connor> nicko: Ha!
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[23:10:38] <JT-Shop> what is adjustable on that one?
[23:11:04] <JT-Shop> I'm looking at the photo but don't see much
[23:11:07] <Connor> The head can rotate.. the column is bolted on to the base, so, you can adjust the column to the table.
[23:11:18] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[23:11:30] <Connor> so, First process, is to tram the head to the column.
[23:11:46] <JT-Shop> so you have two possible areas to be out of square
[23:11:47] <Connor> then, tram the head/column combo to the table.
[23:12:30] <Connor> Now, I haven't done ANYTHING to the column/table.. It's still factory set.. But, I have rotated the head and removed it and put it back on.
[23:12:42] <Connor> But, of course, factory set doesn't mean crap.
[23:12:48] <JT-Shop> yep
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[23:13:56] <JT-Shop> so you put the magnet base on the column and Z up and down till your parallel?
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[23:14:10] <Connor> Yes, that's what I'm doing now.
[23:14:50] <Connor> and I tightened up the lock, and it changed the reading.
[23:15:31] <JT-Shop> I find on my BP that there is a sweet spot on the fixing bolt where I could still move it but it was solid enough that the DTI didn't change when I locked it up solid
[23:15:59] <Connor> re-watching this video: http://www.youtube.com/hossmachine#p/search/0/RlSa5bu2aK8
[23:16:13] <JT-Shop> you say you had the head off so no crap in there and surfaces look good
[23:16:44] <JT-Shop> nice machine specific for your G0704
[23:16:45] <Connor> yea. I drilled to more holes to have a 3-hole bolt pattern to the Z Saddle.
[23:16:51] <Connor> Yuo.
[23:16:54] <Connor> er Yup
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[23:19:26] * JT-Shop hums the final jeopardy song while the video goes through China to get to me
[23:20:18] <JT-Shop> did you spin the rod to make sure it is straight?
[23:21:09] <Connor> yea, I think it's off a bit... I have a nice 1/2" rod from a scanner I'm going to have to cut down to use for my tramming rod.. it's perfectly straight.
[23:21:09] <JT-Shop> did you add the tramming aid?
[23:21:22] <Connor> no. I need some steel bar stock to make those.
[23:21:36] <Connor> so, I have to use the bump and tap method. :)
[23:22:51] <JT-Shop> it sounds like a touchy feely thing... hit no what too hard darn hit other side oh too hard crap
[23:23:24] <Connor> yea.
[23:24:10] <JT-Shop> make the tramming aids from anything handy... on my BP I use the jacking worm to move as I can predict the amount of movement
[23:24:29] <Connor> A what?
[23:25:24] <Connor> and I found a scratch in my table from the damn vise.. Must of had something on the table when I placed the vise.
[23:25:38] <JT-Shop> what do you have around
[23:25:49] <Connor> to make the tramming aid?
[23:25:55] <JT-Shop> yea
[23:26:06] <Connor> I've got some 3/8" thick alumn stock.
[23:26:16] <JT-Shop> that would work
[23:26:50] <JT-Shop> it would be so much easier to loosen the left bolt 1/16 and tighten the right one 1/16 you know
[23:26:59] <Connor> Oh yea. I know.
[23:27:32] <Connor> he also modded the column by adding set screws in it..
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[23:27:35] <JT-Shop> all of the automation machines I design I put "tramming aids" on
[23:27:36] <Connor> look at part 2
[23:27:51] <JT-Shop> LOL I'm still downloading part 1
[23:28:37] <Connor> o wait.. it's Part 2 version B is the one where he has drilled 1/4=28 holes in the column.
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[23:29:41] <Connor> I guess I can throw my vise back on and mill down the tramming aids.
[23:30:13] <JT-Shop> yea, good idea... make it as easy as possible
[23:30:17] <Connor> looks like the set screws are parallel to the flange column.
[23:30:25] <Connor> which has a bit over a tapper.
[23:30:45] <Connor> Why are you having to download the video instead of streaming it ?
[23:31:03] <JT-Shop> I live in Swamp East Missouri!
[23:31:41] <JT-Shop> I can walk out on my deck and take a leak and no one will see... out in the woods you know
[23:31:57] <Connor> yea.
[23:33:32] <Tom_itx> mosquitos as big as B52's?
[23:33:41] <JT-Shop> make sure your indicator tip is on the X side of the rod as close as possible so your not seeing other issure
[23:33:47] <JT-Shop> issues
[23:34:04] <JT-Shop> only on the flat lands up here we have Bob Cats
[23:34:07] <Connor> Yea, parallel to the X.
[23:34:25] <Connor> otherwise, Y being out of tram could cause issues.
[23:35:58] <Connor> okay, Done watching both video's.
[23:36:04] <Tom_itx> link?
[23:36:04] <JT-Shop> keep in the back of your head that how precise do you need the mill to be so you don't spend a lifetime trying to indicate better than possible
[23:36:33] <Tom_itx> nm ^^
[23:36:46] <Connor> yea, I'ts probably good nuff now for what I'm doing.. I would just need to tram the vise and be done with it.
[23:37:00] <Connor> the head looks pretty close.
[23:37:06] <JT-Shop> looks like basic tramming info in the vid but the mods seem to be nice
[23:37:11] <Tom_itx> i wish there was a way to save those videos
[23:37:29] <Connor> you mean youtube videos?
[23:37:33] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:37:38] <Tom_itx> well there probably is..
[23:37:42] <Connor> They're apps out their that can rip'm
[23:37:45] <Tom_itx> i'm just not savvy
[23:38:13] <JT-Shop> is it CNC or did the guy mod his to be CNC?
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[23:38:27] <Connor> He modded it.
[23:38:37] <Connor> That's what I'm doing.. making the parts to mod mine for CNC.
[23:38:39] <A2Sheds> you can download plugins for your browser to grab youtube video
[23:38:48] <JT-Shop> cool
[23:39:07] <Connor> stepper mounts don't need to be all that exact.
[23:39:52] <Tom_itx> ok i picked up another transformer so i should be set in that department
[23:39:53] <JT-Shop> you need some adjustment so you can tension the belts
[23:40:01] <Tom_itx> 3x 6A x 48v
[23:40:33] <JT-Shop> cool
[23:41:02] <A2Sheds> Tom_itx: try Firefox and just go to the Add-on tab and search for youtube, there must be 20 plugins, only a couple are up to date since youtube changes its code every week or two
[23:41:03] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/psu1.jpg
[23:41:13] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: did you see the last shop photo?
[23:41:13] <Connor> Direct drive on Y and Z, Belt on the X eventually (rear mount).
[23:41:21] <Tom_itx> those x 3 now
[23:41:30] <PCW_> looks like linuxcnc.org is down
[23:41:33] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, no i don't think so
[23:41:44] <JT-Shop> logger[psha]: log
[23:42:02] <Tom_itx> so 3x 220F caps should be enough for each one you think?
[23:42:06] <Tom_itx> 2200*
[23:42:09] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/168754
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[23:42:18] <A2Sheds> Phishing Site Blocked
[23:42:18] <A2Sheds> Phishing is a fraudulent attempt to get you to provide personal information under false pretenses.
[23:42:28] <Connor> Holy heck.. the site is gone.. WTF
[23:42:33] <A2Sheds> what I got at linuxcnc.org
[23:43:05] <A2Sheds> sql code injection last month, now what did someone do?
[23:43:12] <Connor> No clue.
[23:43:19] <JT-Shop> might be down
[23:43:24] <Connor> It's running on Joomla 1.x Needs tobe updated to 1.5
[23:44:22] <Tom_itx> A2Sheds do you recomend any certain app?
[23:44:31] <Connor> going to go play for a few minutes with the tramming again.. back in a bit.
[23:45:12] * JT-Shop goes to make the pizza... the crust should be ready now
[23:45:37] <A2Sheds> Tom_itx: MP$ Downloader 1.3.2 was working yesterday
[23:45:58] <A2Sheds> MP4 Downloader
[23:49:56] <Tom_itx> lookin good JT-Shop
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