#emc | Logs for 2011-08-17

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[00:02:13] <mikegg> why does setp x-index-enable TRUE throw an invalid argument error? is that a bug, or am I crazy
[00:02:14] <mikegg> '
[00:02:22] <mikegg> x-index-enable is a signal
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[00:11:57] <skunkworks_> mikegg: then you use sets
[00:13:34] <mikegg> that's it. Thanks!
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[01:47:28] <nicko> ello all
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[01:48:52] <nicko> quick question for Mesa users: what ae those orange plastic doo-hickys that come with the daughter boards ?
[01:49:28] <skunkworks_> to key the pluggable screw connectors so that you cannot plug one into another.
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[01:50:07] <nicko> ahhh, yes they onyl turned up on the 'TA' types
[01:50:24] <skunkworks_> :)
[01:50:59] <nicko> so, still not %100 on it - they slot in and make a terminal unusable ?
[01:51:07] <nicko> (I don't have one here with me)
[01:53:51] <Tom_itx> i didn't use mine
[01:56:32] <Tom_itx> i think the idea is for you to slide them in the front edge of the male half and trim the tab off the mating female plug
[01:57:03] <Tom_itx> and key all the connectors differently
[01:58:00] * skunkworks_ didn't use mine either
[01:58:04] <skunkworks_> his?
[02:00:37] <nicko> I'll stick em on ebay - 'Orange Thingies'
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[02:10:31] <nicko> better not keep them all next to each other - we don't want a criticality incident
[02:11:30] <Tom_itx> number the plugs in binary with them
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[04:03:14] <KimK> Interesting. In my first attempt I seem to have created a component that freezes EMC, linux, everything. When the splash screen comes up and it says "Starting EMC...", you're done using the computer. Turn it off and back on.
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[04:13:28] <FinboySlick> KimK: I just heard Roy from 'The IT crowd' at that last sentence.
[04:14:04] <KimK> FinboySlick: I don't know him, is there a link?
[04:14:42] <FinboySlick> KimK: It's a brilliant little TV series that aired on BBC channel four. Look into it if you can.
[04:14:51] <FinboySlick> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0487831/
[04:15:05] <KimK> FinboySlick: OK, thanks.
[04:16:59] <FinboySlick> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0KZTdHad48
[04:17:09] <KimK> FinboySlick: Yes, I see the quote: "Roy: [repeated throughout the series] [answering the phone] Roy: Hello, IT. Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
[04:19:25] <FinboySlick> I think they tried to make an US version but keeping Moss.
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[04:21:23] <FinboySlick> Anyway, got to get to bed but I highly recommend it.
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[05:01:18] <Jymmm> lol http://www.fukung.net/v/33949/7eb3fdd3941120208a9d7fa9a18536f2.png
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[05:04:32] <Jymmm> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn http://www.kitco.com/charts/popup/au0030lnb_.html
[05:08:02] <psha[work]> Jymmm: sounds like you've lost all your investments :)
[05:09:04] <Jymmm> No, just wished I bought gold a long time ago.
[05:09:14] <psha[work]> :)
[05:09:50] <nicko> ya know, chance is there with a good dry the PC would actually work ...
[05:10:58] <psha[work]> Jymmm: rebooting process is great :)
[05:11:13] <psha[work]> far better then gold prices chart :)
[05:11:31] <Connor> My G0704 just cut it's teeth on some Aluminum... First cut! :) I did some plastic a while back.. but.. this is first time doing metal..
[05:11:55] <nicko> smiley face = it worked well ?
[05:12:08] <Connor> Yup... Like a hot Knife through butter.
[05:12:23] <nicko> oh dear - it melted the ali ?
[05:12:26] <nicko> :)
[05:12:37] <Connor> Ha!
[05:12:56] <Connor> okay, so, what's the protocol with parallel bars.. pull them out after you lock down your part ?
[05:13:14] <nicko> not if you dot have to...
[05:13:16] <nicko> dont
[05:14:01] <Connor> OKay, So, I picked a height that left about half my part above the vise.. I was milling the ends true...
[05:14:19] <toastyde1th> and you fucked a parallel?
[05:14:21] <Connor> I put them in place, and put the part on top.. and lock the vice down.
[05:14:23] <Connor> No.
[05:14:25] <toastyde1th> oh.
[05:14:54] <Connor> But, they could move easily in and out.. I could have gotten one in the path of the end-mill if I wasn't watching..
[05:14:55] <nicko> they vibrated out ?
[05:15:04] <toastyde1th> 1) your part isn't square
[05:15:08] <nicko> magnets
[05:15:32] <toastyde1th> 2) there could be chips on your parallels
[05:15:37] <toastyde1th> 3) your vice might suck
[05:15:47] <nicko> and yeh, if they are loose (on the datum plane you're concerned with) then they aren't doing anything useful ...
[05:16:14] <nicko> your vice could be lifting the work off them as you tighten it
[05:16:26] <toastyde1th> for problem one, you can do two things - either use one parallel and a round bar in the vise to help square up the part, or you can smack the part with a hammer to make it sit on the parallels
[05:16:39] <Connor> Hmm.. It's a Shars vice.. not the best.. but, not junk either..
[05:16:55] <toastyde1th> for problem two, you need to clean your hands off with a rag, then run your finger over the top of the parallel
[05:16:56] <nicko> rawhide hammers can be good
[05:17:02] <nicko> AIR !
[05:17:04] <toastyde1th> not the rag or anything else
[05:17:11] <Connor> Yea, I did that.
[05:17:12] <nicko> blow it all until you're deaf
[05:17:32] <Connor> I didn't knock the part down.. I have a nice rubber hammer that might work for that.
[05:17:35] <toastyde1th> for problem three, not much you can do outside using the bar method from above
[05:18:11] <Connor> Again, first time using the machine.. First cut, and I really didn't bother tramming the vise in yet.. it's a few .001 out..
[05:18:12] <toastyde1th> to check the vise, put roundstock that is about the same diameter as the vise jaw is tall
[05:18:21] <nicko> something 'deadblow'-ish is helpful in terms of hammers
[05:18:39] <toastyde1th> close the vise so that it is barely touching, and put an indicator on the hard jaw of the moving jaw
[05:18:44] <toastyde1th> then clamp the vise down
[05:18:47] <toastyde1th> note any lift.
[05:19:00] <nicko> 'hard jaw of the moving jaw' ??
[05:19:18] <toastyde1th> a hard jaw, the ground faces of the vice
[05:19:21] <toastyde1th> vs a soft jaw
[05:19:29] <toastyde1th> then one side is fixed, and the other moves.
[05:19:34] <nicko> got ya
[05:19:58] <nicko> and the round stock will let it roll up easily - cool
[05:20:23] <Connor> Any online resources showing/teaching basic practices with milling machines?
[05:20:25] <nicko> it could also pivot though
[05:20:25] <toastyde1th> even kurt vises have lift
[05:20:39] <toastyde1th> so what you have to do to get around that is square your part with an absolute minimum of jaw pressure
[05:20:45] <toastyde1th> amost not holding the part
[05:20:58] <nicko> imagine if you put your test indicator exactly at the point that roll countered raise and you got '0'
[05:20:59] <toastyde1th> and take a fly cut of .005-.010, then a spring pass in the same direction as the first cut
[05:21:46] <toastyde1th> nicko, it's unusual
[05:21:53] <nicko> fair enough !
[05:22:14] <toastyde1th> the jaw lift comes from the nut on the screw
[05:22:23] <toastyde1th> which is fairly centered
[05:22:30] <toastyde1th> it can happen but it usually doesn't
[05:22:38] <nicko> same logic apply to hydrauilic vices ?
[05:22:53] <toastyde1th> depends on the setup of the vise, but yes
[05:23:05] <toastyde1th> also note that most machinig vises have an anti-kick device inside the movable jaw
[05:23:06] <nicko> I'm interested in one - Taiwanese ... but we have them at work - they're on special at the moment
[05:23:11] <nicko> 'Safeway'
[05:23:23] <toastyde1th> and a lot of jaw lift might mean chips are packed into the anti-lift
[05:23:28] <Connor> http://its.fvtc.edu/MachShop3/basicmill/WorkHold.htm
[05:23:49] <nicko> hmmm, dang I gotta do some work
[05:23:51] <Connor> okay.. looking at this..
[05:23:59] <nicko> good to chat - see ya'll later
[05:24:02] <toastyde1th> bai
[05:24:23] <toastyde1th> all those grapics appear to be very accurate Connor
[05:24:25] <Connor> I had mine setup in Fig 6, the Incorrect setup.. but.. I was milling the end off.. How else would you set it up to do that in the vice ?
[05:24:50] <toastyde1th> if you needed it to be super accurate?
[05:24:56] <toastyde1th> you'd machine one side at a time, using a flycutter
[05:25:00] <toastyde1th> or a face mill
[05:25:09] <toastyde1th> if you didn't give too much of a shit, you'd do it exactly like you did
[05:25:24] <toastyde1th> 90% of work, it doesn't matter
[05:25:50] <toastyde1th> the other thing you can do is put parallels that only leave 1/8th of an inch of vice jaw for clamping
[05:25:58] <toastyde1th> that way, you just add 1/8th of an inch to your stock dimension
[05:26:05] <Connor> okay, so I see they have the parallels under all the time.. so.. I need to smack my part with the rubber hammer after snugging it up slightly.
[05:26:06] <toastyde1th> and machine the whole profile
[05:26:20] <toastyde1th> then flip the part and take that 1/8th off, then do the rear details
[05:26:32] <toastyde1th> that method is how almost all cnc shops work
[05:26:42] <toastyde1th> well, smacking the part means your part isn't parallel to begin with
[05:26:53] <Connor> Well.. I was machining a 3/8" thick flat bar stock to 2.5" wide..
[05:26:53] <toastyde1th> and it won't make it parallel, either
[05:27:07] <toastyde1th> i personally just pull the loose parallels out
[05:27:11] <toastyde1th> usually one of them will stay in
[05:27:16] <toastyde1th> and i know that's the thick side
[05:27:32] <toastyde1th> it doesn't take much to have a loose parallel.
[05:27:41] <Connor> Well.. It is extruded alum.. So, it's bound to be a little thick/thin in places.
[05:28:01] <toastyde1th> you'll have to find a tutorial on how to square up stock
[05:28:06] <toastyde1th> the traditional way
[05:28:14] <Connor> yea..I don't have a fly cutter yet..
[05:28:15] <toastyde1th> it's a several step process but yeilds the best results
[05:28:23] <Connor> Got a boring head though. :)
[05:28:30] <toastyde1th> you don't need a flycutter, but you do need a good eye for tramming if you want to use an endmill
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[05:28:46] <toastyde1th> don't screw up your boring bar using it like a flycutter
[05:28:50] <Connor> I did get a 3/4" end mill too.
[05:28:57] <toastyde1th> just take several passes with the endmill
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[05:36:10] <Connor> http://mmu.ic.polyu.edu.hk/handout/0103/0103.htm#6
[05:36:29] <nicko> I have two toolholding situations where a facemill would be really nice - doubly nice if it could mount to both holding systems
[05:37:03] <nicko> system one is a lathe live tool used on a mill - pretty much just an ER32 collet
[05:37:07] <Connor> Figure 23..
[05:37:13] <Connor> and 22
[05:37:18] <nicko> the other is a ISO25 toolholder taper
[05:37:47] <nicko> in which I have toolholders that take ER25 collets
[05:38:01] <nicko> but it'd be better if went straight into the ISO taper
[05:41:40] <toastyde1th> Connor, good website
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[05:49:50] <Connor> okay, so any tips on how to bore out round stock on a mill?
[05:49:57] <Connor> I.E. to make standoff's
[05:50:25] <Connor> I have a 4" 3 jaw chuck that'll mount in the mill too.
[05:50:29] <archivist> drill
[05:51:28] <Connor> Yea...
[05:51:54] <Connor> I guess the question is, best way to find the center of the round stock..
[05:52:28] <nicko> you're CNC now huh ?
[05:52:35] <nicko> how are you touching off ?
[05:52:38] <Connor> No.
[05:52:42] <nicko> DRO ?
[05:52:44] <Connor> Manual ATM.
[05:52:57] <Connor> No. Complete stock..
[05:53:05] <nicko> hmmmm
[05:53:08] <Connor> no DRO, No CNC. Making parts to convert it.
[05:53:10] <archivist> automating the touch off is best
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[05:53:53] <factor> pain trying to tap out screws holes.
[05:53:55] <nicko> Yeh, I'd love to know hwo to find the centre of some round stock using a manual mill with no DRO
[05:53:59] <nicko> got a wiggler ?
[05:54:13] <Connor> Yes, I do have wigglers.
[05:54:13] <archivist> I must admit for simple round work the lathe is the right tool
[05:54:18] <Connor> Both flat and pointed ones.
[05:55:18] <Connor> archivist: I tend to agree... But, I don't have one.
[05:55:20] <archivist> you can measure and calculate where the centre is with reference to hand wheel numbers and
[05:55:36] <nicko> coudl you mount the stock in the toolholder - turn your mill into a lathe ?
[05:56:05] <Connor> I have a 3 jaw lathe chuck that I can mount on my mill.
[05:56:06] <archivist> qty of rotations, ie co-ordinate working
[05:56:29] <nicko> archivist >> wha ??
[05:56:34] <nicko> I'm interested
[05:57:26] <nicko> oh yeh, rotary table ...
[05:58:15] <nicko> with a centered 3 jaw chuck
[05:58:59] <archivist> put round in chuck on bed and in the mill spindle, measure dias, measure gap y when inline on x and x when y, then do calcs and you know where centre is
[05:59:57] <Connor> time for bed.
[06:00:03] <Connor> talk to you all later.
[06:00:17] <archivist> its morning...time for breakfast
[06:01:56] <nicko> The wheels on my manual mill have so much backlash and general crappiness (chinese) I have *never* used it to measure anything absolute, relative only as an eyeball
[06:02:13] <nicko> DRo would be nice
[06:02:38] <nicko> probably would have got much more use, and in some ways put off looking into CNC
[06:02:40] <archivist> only work one direction on x and y when doing that
[06:05:01] <nicko> manual mill can do lots of really nice stuff work in terms of finish and grunting through quick stuff - its just its all some random dimension apart and off with respect to every other face (but above the tolerances I'l eventually need)
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[06:05:59] <archivist> instant dro is bolt a cheap digital vernier, or just measure some easy reference between castings
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[06:06:13] <nicko> yup - I do that on the quill
[06:07:04] <archivist> learning good hand wheel reading and use should get you accurate work
[06:13:41] <nicko> its got the issue of being loose in backlash, then the acme nut hits the threads and you have to push past the static friction which quickly gives way to much less dynamic friction, so its easy to overshoot
[06:14:17] <nicko> push, push, push - almost
[06:14:18] <nicko> voink
[06:14:22] <nicko> OVER
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[08:04:46] <Loetmichel> moin
[08:05:05] <Loetmichel> ehrm... s/moin/mornin'
[08:10:16] <Loetmichel> *grrr* To Remember: Dont place the trash bin full of papertowels with alcohol direktly under the worbench if grinding with an angle grinder... trashcan fire extinguish... ok, so the apprentice has learned something: alcohol is flammable ;-)
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[08:50:52] <archivist> a bit of panic teaches a lot :)
[09:02:16] <Tom_itx> you know this first hand?
[09:16:16] <archivist> who doesnt :)
[09:19:29] <Tom_itx> hopefully by the end we are old and wise with all 10 fingers and toes
[09:35:58] <Loetmichel> 9,5 fingers ;-)
[09:36:15] <Loetmichel> got a 3mm hole in one already
[09:36:17] <Loetmichel> :-)
[09:37:10] <archivist> ex boss had a .8module cycloidal slot in a finger :)
[09:38:33] <archivist> taught him a lesson about fingers in this http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010234.JPG
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[11:59:06] <jthornton> trash day
[12:00:17] <archivist> what did you break today?
[12:00:51] <jthornton> nothing yet it is very early
[12:01:13] <jthornton> but I have to take the trash out as it is Wednesday over here
[12:01:39] <archivist> friday once a fortnight here
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[12:17:24] <jthornton> wow a big skip I guess
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[13:11:52] <frysteev> any mesa geeks around?
[13:12:26] <archivist> just ask the real question
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[13:14:17] <frysteev> i found the mesa board needed for interfacing the resolvers 7149, and looking at the 7137 for all my other i/o like switches etc,
[13:14:32] <frysteev> how would i connect analog tachometers?
[13:14:44] <frysteev> i would need some sort of a/'d board i think?
[13:14:48] <cradek> usually they connect directly to your velocity mode amps
[13:15:14] <cradek> also I am not sure resolver/7i49 has support yet
[13:15:59] <frysteev> you mean emc support?
[13:16:52] <cradek> yes, specifically the hal driver
[13:19:00] <frysteev> eeep
[13:19:16] <frysteev> is there a currently supported emc was of resolver interfacing,
[13:19:52] <cradek> I have successfully used the resolver to quadrature converter product from pico on two machines
[13:20:36] <cradek> that's fed into mesa 7i33 or 7i48
[13:24:39] <jdhNC> didn't someone here make an arduino based resolver to quad thingie?
[13:26:06] <Loetmichel> anyone here with a 20mm inside ballbearing here? (6204) and can tell me which 1:x it will have as a planetary gear? (i.e. outer ring fixed, inner ring driffen and how much turns inner is needed for 1 turn ballcage?)
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[13:26:55] <archivist> jdhNC, I dont see how that can work at real speeds
[13:27:00] <cradek> yes, I think someone has done that experimentally. but the pico product is production quality and proven in many machines
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[13:29:03] <jdhNC> doesn't look like it has that great resolution either
[13:29:07] <jdhNC> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?ResolverToQuadratureConverter
[13:29:26] <frysteev> ive seen the arduino resolver thing
[13:29:53] <frysteev> im trying to avoid adding more steps then needed, less points of faulure
[13:30:14] <frysteev> the arduino one is soemthing i would use for testing but not for actual use,
[13:30:19] <jdhNC> what year?
[13:30:25] <jdhNC> <urk>
[13:30:48] <frysteev> cradek: thanks fort the heads up on the support, and is there anyone i can bribe in regards to that?
[13:30:58] <Loetmichel> noone there with a ball bearing in about 20mm inner diameter?
[13:31:16] <archivist> Loetmichel, you can have many ratios with sun and planet, little relation to ball races
[13:31:20] <cradek> you should ask in #emc-devel and possibly the emc-developers mailing list
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[13:31:41] <Jymmmm> Which species of woods do you like? Select 5 in order of preference http://i53.tinypic.com/20u7iu8.jpg
[13:31:51] <cradek> I'd also love to have 7i49/resolver support but I don't think anyone is actively working on it right now.
[13:32:09] <frysteev> is the 7148 supported?
[13:32:26] <cradek> yes in v2.5, I am using it on a vmc
[13:32:28] <cradek> bbl
[13:32:36] <Loetmichel> archivist: ich want to use a ballbearing AS a planetary gear!
[13:33:08] <Loetmichel> (for finetuning a tranceiver)
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[13:34:08] <archivist> just buy the proper reducer, a lot less effort and does not cost much
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[13:34:52] <Loetmichel> archivist: but not selfbuild
[13:35:13] <Loetmichel> not much is about 30++ euros
[13:36:03] <JT-Shop> take a pocket watch apart and get some gears from there
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[13:37:01] <archivist> Loetmichel, fleabay 330598971324
[13:37:27] <Jymmmm> JT-Shop: Since when does iPhone/SmartPhone have gears? Or is that something from the Apple Apps store?
[13:38:01] <frysteev> has anyone made any apps for phones for monitoring emc?
[13:38:22] <Loetmichel> archivist: not selfbuild
[13:38:23] <archivist> Loetmichel, and better 170683143095
[13:38:24] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[13:39:07] <archivist> Loetmichel, 6204 is far to big
[13:39:33] <Loetmichel> 20mm inner diameter, 47mm outer diameter, sounds fitting to me
[13:40:46] <archivist> its the sort of thing I have in junk boxes here, largest are flat nothing like a bearing
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[13:52:20] <archivist> Loetmichel, and well hidden item 250874404267
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[14:44:15] * JT-Shop wonders does old age make a 300lb beam feel like 500lbs?
[14:45:16] <Jymmmm> JT-Shop: I thought it was a 19yo that makes you feel your age is larger that it appears?
[14:45:55] <JT-Shop> no comparison subjects near by
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[14:56:20] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: no, it doesent... not until 42 anyway.
[14:57:24] <Loetmichel> 500lb can be lifted alone if trained ;-)
[14:57:37] <Loetmichel> 300lb is normal backpack ;-)
[15:01:54] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/168368
[15:02:39] <Jymmmm> CORONA?!
[15:03:53] <Jymmmm> JT-Shop: you got a cherry picker right there, whatcha bitchin bout?
[15:06:34] <JT-Shop> it don't work in the chat Jymmmm
[15:07:25] <Jymmmm> JT-Shop: what doens't work in chat?
[15:07:35] <JT-Shop> cherry picker
[15:09:33] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: i worked about 10 years as a technican for a Stage-rental-company... i am used to heavy lifting ;-)
[15:10:24] <frysteev> cnc cherry picker would be interesting,
[15:11:32] <cpresser> why is this thing called cherry-picker? where is the connection to the fruit?
[15:12:55] <Jymmmm> cpresser: probably because it has an extend reach boom
[15:13:07] <Jymmmm> extended
[15:13:40] <Jymmmm> also called an engine hoist, among other names
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[15:15:13] * cpresser just extended his knowledge of the english language. thanks :)
[15:15:14] <JT-Shop> http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1079&bih=906&q=cherry+picker&gbv=2&oq=cherry+picker&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=1870l4072l0l4273l13l12l0l0l0l0l292l2111l1.5.5l11l0
[15:15:51] <jdhNC> I see an engine hoist, no cherry picker
[15:16:06] <JT-Shop> goggle returned about as many cherry pickers as engine hoists
[15:17:07] <jdhNC> and a guy with a basket
[15:17:08] <cpresser> http://www.gantry-crane.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Engine-Hoist.jpg ?
[15:17:35] <JT-Shop> that one is missing some wheels
[15:17:51] <jdhNC> I had to go rent one to get my mill on the base
[15:17:52] <JT-Shop> mine need new wheels that spin and roll
[15:17:53] <cpresser> it has wheels!?
[15:18:16] <jdhNC> an engine hoist with no wheels wouldn't be very useful.
[15:18:36] <JT-Shop> it's missing the two middle wheels for when the legs are folded up
[15:18:43] <JT-Shop> look at my photo you can see them
[15:18:48] <Loetmichel> Jymmmm: i know a person lift with extending boom and two hinges in the boom as a "cherry picker"
[15:19:21] <Jymmmm> search google images for 'cherry picker'
[15:19:31] <Loetmichel> opposed to a "flying carpet" which is a lift with a scisso-type mechanism beneath te patform
[15:20:29] <cpresser> so a cherry-picker is a working-platform, mounted with an arm to some sort of vehicle?
[15:20:39] <Loetmichel> cpresser: an engine hoist has some wheels, yes
[15:21:20] <Loetmichel> cpresser: as far as i know: yes
[15:22:58] <frysteev> i have an engine hoist, it is soo useful for things other then engines
[15:24:37] <Connor> My Wife would call them "lift thingies"
[15:26:05] <jdhNC> my wife would call it "why do you need that, don't you already have one"
[15:27:37] * JT-Shop wonders if Danimal_garage is awake yet...
[15:32:21] * frysteev wonders why commerical toilet paper is graded by grit count like it should be
[15:32:30] <frysteev> err isn't
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[15:33:58] <archivist> frysteev, you should try some Izal bog paper....knotted wire brush grade
[15:34:40] <frysteev> im temped to put a roll of belt sander paper in the bathroom here at work and see if anyone notices,
[15:35:19] <archivist> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/minor-british-institutions-izal-toilet-paper-1727294.html
[15:36:06] <Loetmichel> jdhNC: mine would call it this way. too
[15:36:22] <archivist> it was far too strong to have ever got a sticky finger :)
[15:38:26] <Loetmichel> frysteev: at the german military repair facility toilets there is often a sing: "the toilet paper is NOT to be used for grinding paint!"
[15:38:27] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:38:37] <Loetmichel> sign
[15:39:43] <frysteev> lol
[15:40:16] <archivist> reviews :) http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/household-products/izal-toilet-paper/reviews/
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[15:44:18] <Loetmichel> so, ewnd of work for tody, drivin' home
[15:50:06] <automata> can anyone point me to some examples of using the edge triggering component in HAL
[15:50:23] <frysteev> so i asked earlier, but is there any apps etc existing for monitoring emc?
[15:50:50] <frysteev> im looking at using somehting like a samsung galaxy tab as a wireless interface
[15:51:09] <automata> frysteev: I have started writing a telnet based monitor...
[15:51:40] <automata> should be done with it by next week
[15:52:33] <automata> I want to trigger the halui.program.step function from a hardware pin
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[15:53:28] <automata> I want to step through a program based on a hardware button... any examples for doing this?
[15:54:50] <frysteev> cool
[15:55:21] <automata> frysteev: It is heavily based on shcom.cc and emcrsh.cc
[15:59:17] <frysteev> no clue what that is,
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[16:02:54] <automata> emcrsh is a program that are compiled with the emc distribution and you can remotely telnet into the machine and send commands to it.
[16:03:13] <JT-Shop> automata: you might look at toggle
[16:03:22] <JT-Shop> and toggle2nist
[16:05:10] <automata> what does toggle2nist do? the documentation man pages are sparse
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[16:11:59] <JT-Shop> automata: http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,showcat/catid,47/lang,english/
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[16:30:33] <Danimal_garage> hi
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[16:33:55] <frysteev> ola
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[16:40:08] <JT-Shop> logger[psha]: log
[16:40:32] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/168368
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[16:47:24] <automata> JT-shop: still trying to understand the pause button example... but thanks for the pointer
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[16:53:18] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[16:54:56] <automata> are there some more example HAL scripts out there? (other than at the forums)
[16:55:24] <frysteev> what is the best way to dive into HAL if you arent a programmer?
[16:56:11] <automata> frysteev: I am also trying to figure that out (with a caveat: if you ARE a programmer ;-)
[16:56:31] <Loetmichel> @ the native speakers: is there a word in english for the german "feierabend" (meaning: end of work for today, going home!) ?
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[16:57:38] <JT-Shop> automata: yea, more in the manual
[16:57:48] <JT-Shop> you have read the entire manual correct?
[16:58:06] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: does not comment on the photo...
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[16:58:11] <automata> frysteev: Download (pull) the emc2-dev source code from the git repository and there are some examples in the emc2-dev/ tests folder
[16:58:26] <automata> JT-Shop: Yes...
[16:59:02] <automata> I have gone through the entire HAL manual.
[16:59:02] <frysteev> ok cool
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[17:02:12] <automata> Jt-Shop: Is it possible to change a parameter in HAL at runtime??
[17:03:23] <automata> I have a time-delay module used to activate one pin after another after a certain time delay. Is is possible to change this delay parameter (maybe through halrmt) at runtime?
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[17:03:44] <JT-Shop> anonimasu: what version of the HAL manual? in 2.4 integrator related stuff is/was in the Integrator Manual
[17:04:13] <automata> I have gone through the integrator manual too....
[17:04:25] <automata> Hal manual version 2.4
[17:04:31] <JT-Shop> did you see the Hal examples?
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[17:05:09] <automata> yes...
[17:05:35] <automata> looking at them again... maybe I did not understand many thing on a first read...
[17:06:05] <JT-Shop> yea, usually only 10% or so gets remembered the first time if lucky
[17:07:00] <JT-Shop> http://translate.google.com/#de|en|feierabend
[17:07:43] <JT-Shop> I was looking for a native language but could only find English
[17:08:31] <JT-Shop> some say "quitting time"
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[17:19:44] <automata> JT-shop: is is possible to set a parameter for a hal module after the hal program has started?
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[17:31:21] <Loetmichel> hmmm
[17:31:49] <cpresser> automata: what kind of parameter? some can be accessed with "halcmd setp ..."
[17:32:07] <cpresser> but for example you cant change the 'count' of a hal module
[17:32:08] <Loetmichel> anyone an idea how to get the Bearing into the Rim? http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12256 New rims? fill with epoxy?
[17:32:40] <automata> cpresser: This is from my current HAL File "setp timedelay.0.on-delay 0.25"
[17:33:25] <automata> after the program has started, I want to make the parameter settable...
[17:33:31] <cpresser> use halcmd
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[17:34:32] <JT-Shop> after a g-code program?
[17:37:04] <automata> When a gcode program is paused...
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[17:37:49] <cpresser> automatically?
[17:38:59] <JT-Shop> can you explain with a bit more detail what you want to do?
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[17:58:37] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: nice!
[17:59:41] <Danimal_garage> is it built yet? :)
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[18:03:57] <JT-Shop> almost, just have to pressure wash it a bit
[18:04:12] <JT-Shop> it's from a 93 4 cyl Mustang
[18:04:26] <JT-Shop> guy is converting it to a v-8 for drag racing
[18:04:46] <JT-Shop> project for him and his son to work on as he grows up... kinda cool
[18:05:51] <Connor> Does anyone use the vise keyway slots when mounting their vise to the Table via T-slots?
[18:06:20] <Connor> The keys are too big to go into my slots, and too large to go into the milled out keyways on the bottom of the vise..
[18:06:51] <Connor> Looks to me as if it would cause issues in trying to get the vise trammed in.
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[18:08:26] <skunkworks> rarely do they ever line up with anything.
[18:08:31] <Danimal_garage> indicate it.
[18:08:37] <skunkworks> ditto
[18:08:39] <Danimal_garage> i don't use them at all
[18:09:09] <JT-Shop> I use them to make my kitchen table level
[18:09:14] <Connor> okay.. so one of those it was a good idea, if it worked type things.. just makes things more difficult in the long run...
[18:09:46] <Connor> okay. Looking to buy a DTI.. what sort of mount should I get ?
[18:09:47] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, have aproblem with iov2 tool change.In sun on_abort the command G90,G40 and G80 not fuction because ?
[18:10:09] <jdhNC> I need a vise. How big did you get?
[18:10:20] <Connor> nothing bigger than a 5"
[18:10:29] <Connor> 5" almost too big.
[18:10:35] <jdhNC> too tall?
[18:10:43] <Connor> I had to mount it on the first T slot to get full Y movement.
[18:10:59] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: please make me understand 'In sun on_abort the command G90,G40 and G80 not fuction because ?'
[18:11:00] <Danimal_garage> depends on the machine it's going on. Everything i own is a 6" Kurt
[18:11:15] <Connor> Danimal_garage: He's got a G0704 like me.
[18:11:16] <Danimal_garage> but that would be too big for a desktop mill
[18:11:19] <skunkworks> we have a few 6 inch curt knock offs.. probably from enco
[18:11:22] <jdhNC> I have a baby mill
[18:11:27] <Danimal_garage> ah
[18:11:33] <Danimal_garage> in that case, 8"
[18:11:36] <skunkworks> snicker ;)
[18:11:44] <Connor> jdhNC: Not a baby mill.. a teenage mill.. The baby is the X2
[18:11:58] <JT-Shop> I like the Glacern vise I have
[18:12:11] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, yes if i add in on_abort.ngc sub routine the command g90,g40,g80 it's not is apply at interpreter
[18:12:27] <jdhNC> someone has a Syil X2 on craigslist for $1250
[18:12:36] <Danimal_garage> never used a glacern
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[18:12:55] <Danimal_garage> 1250 for a mini mill?
[18:13:05] <Danimal_garage> i paid less than that for my bridgeport lol
[18:13:18] <mhaberler> you mean after defining on_abort.. g90,g40,g80 do not have any effect, or do they display an error?
[18:13:21] <jdhNC> wiht computer, drivers, motors, bobcam
[18:13:57] <Danimal_garage> and lead screws?
[18:14:02] <motioncontrol> not have error , not have any effects
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[18:14:16] <JT-Shop> I have this one http://www.glacern.com/gsv_690
[18:14:21] <jdhNC> whatever syil uses
[18:14:56] <mikeggg> yeah, they should be ballscrews
[18:14:57] <JT-Shop> pretty good write up on Tramming a BP valley-metal.org/Downloads/Tramming%20A%20Mill.pdf
[18:15:11] <mikeggg> very similar to Smithy 622, if i'm not mistaken
[18:15:13] <jdhNC> swivel vise or simple?
[18:15:43] <mhaberler> and did the on_abort subroutine execute correctly ?
[18:16:06] <Danimal_garage> looks just like a Kurt JT-Shop
[18:16:25] <skunkworks> mikegg: how is the brushless going?
[18:16:31] <motioncontrol> yes i have add at on_abort sub the g18 and g54 and it's fuction ok
[18:16:35] <mikeggg> slow and steady
[18:16:54] <mikeggg> I get conditionally good results on the x-axis
[18:16:58] <Danimal_garage> i do like the slot for the stop on the back jaw
[18:17:11] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: please post you ini file, and the on_abort ngc subroutine to pastebin, and send links
[18:17:17] <skunkworks> mikegg: do you know if they are running in sinusoidal yet?
[18:17:19] <JT-Shop> yea, so does my hand full of Parlec's
[18:17:34] <JT-Shop> that does come in handy
[18:18:05] <mikeggg> I think not. I took a step back to just quadrature encoder and halls for feedback. Needs the index reference to make the jump to sinusoidal I believe
[18:18:39] <Danimal_garage> i want a vice with a little more travel for my manual mill
[18:18:47] <skunkworks> ah - pretty cool hal component though.. I would like to play with it some day. Nice work andy
[18:19:00] <Danimal_garage> it only opens to 6", the one on my cnc mill opens to like 8"
[18:19:06] <Tom_itx> Loetmichel, get bearings that fit
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[18:19:26] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: need the 20mm iD
[18:19:28] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/168406
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[18:20:03] <Tom_itx> get smaller balls to get a smaller od
[18:20:03] <Loetmichel> besides: filling the hubs/rims with resin is cheaper than new bearings ;-)
[18:20:13] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, http://pastebin.com/QFdJu2p4
[18:20:15] <mikeggg> Yeah, It's really cool. Just makes so much more sense than mucking with +/- 10 VDC analog command
[18:20:17] <Tom_itx> it will weaken the hub beyond use
[18:20:27] <Loetmichel> will it? why?
[18:20:35] <Loetmichel> the hub is also plastics
[18:20:50] <Tom_itx> because the webs are tied into the center and the bearing is bigger than the center
[18:20:51] <Danimal_garage> off to the store, bbl
[18:21:10] <Tom_itx> reconsider roller bearings
[18:21:16] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: thats why i want to fill it with bi-resin
[18:21:39] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: and the on_abort subroutine?
[18:21:43] <Loetmichel> Tom_itx: the original roller bearings inside this crap are the reason for the ball bearings
[18:21:51] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, yes one moment
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[18:21:59] <Tom_itx> turn some hubs on the lathe then
[18:22:13] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=5681
[18:22:23] <Loetmichel> its as crappy as it gets :-(
[18:22:33] <Tom_itx> i don't see a win there
[18:22:38] <Loetmichel> i will, but with the original hubs
[18:22:57] <Tom_itx> if you get rollers with an outer race it will live longer
[18:23:03] <Tom_itx> those rub on the plastic right?
[18:23:12] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, http://pastebin.com/Wu75vLHA
[18:23:20] <Loetmichel> 'cause aluminium in 120mm by 80mm is much to expensive for a kludged together accu cart
[18:23:34] <Loetmichel> yes they do
[18:24:23] <Loetmichel> and the long-lasting isnt the problem: the play in this whole construction is BAD
[18:24:34] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=6587
[18:24:39] <Loetmichel> look at the video
[18:25:21] <Loetmichel> sorry, video is here: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=6587
[18:25:47] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: I assume you are running master, or which emc version?
[18:26:15] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, 2.5.0 master
[18:26:35] <Loetmichel> (yes, my "in between-gear" isnt aligned correct, i know... got the hub some tenths to big, the screw for fixing tints it
[18:26:37] <Loetmichel> tilts
[18:27:35] <mhaberler> that is not a version - please point to a branch at http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=summary
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[18:28:45] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, 2.6.0-pre0
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[18:30:54] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, merge branch v2.5_ branch v2.6.0-pre0 snapshot
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[18:31:10] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, data 2011-03-02
[18:31:10] <mhaberler> ??
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[18:31:35] <mhaberler> you mean 70f223754b2d267f121daf6f8130aa65b519308c?
[18:32:29] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, yes it's
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[18:34:02] <mhaberler> I need to build this branch, it's going to take a bit. Please post an error description to emc-users mailing list or add a bug in the tracker
[18:34:38] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, excuse i don't know the procedure for bug
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[18:36:38] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, you can help me for resolve this bug , because the command g18-g54 fuction the command G40-G80_g90 not is ok ?
[18:36:45] <mhaberler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Trackers
[18:37:19] <motioncontrol> ok thanks
[18:38:19] <mhaberler> it would help if you could describe the behaviour so I can reproduce it. So how do I reproduce that g40, g80, g90 'is not ok'? I need a symptom, an opinion doesnt help
[18:39:16] <mhaberler> for instance 'window x shows ....' 'param xxx shows ...'
[18:43:10] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, for ceck it g90 for example: g91 in mdi after g0 x5 , x axis move in plus 5 mm restect actual position.i add now g90 in on-abort.press halui.abort signal for reset , on_abort is read and excuted.after go g0 x5 again , but the axis move again 5 mm not go at 5 mm absolutely position.
[18:43:17] <automata> JTShop, cpresser: halcmd solves my problem.... Thanks. HEre is what I am working on: I am writing a new GUI for EMC2. This GUI communicates with EMC over a telnet connection...
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[18:45:36] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, the same for g40 and g80
[18:45:46] <mhaberler> I assume you are using Axis. In the MID tab, after the abort, what is the Active G-codes displayed, and what you expected them to be
[18:45:56] <mhaberler> MID/MDI
[18:46:55] <motioncontrol> yes use axis or xemc , but the halui.abort is connect at classicladder with harrdare pusch on mesa card
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[18:49:19] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, the problem not is Gui or Hardware is abort sequence i thing
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[18:51:05] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, i stay retrofit my maschine and have this proble, it's is serius, because if you reset in g91 or in canned cycle or tool compensation the interpreter not reset g40-g90-g80
[18:52:07] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: please file a bug report in the tracker, with an exact description of expected and actual behaviour, so other people can reproduce it without reading irc logs - this would help a lot
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[18:52:43] <motioncontrol> mhaberler, ok more thenks
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[19:19:33] <Loetmichel> hmm, i love this Bi-resin. Looks promising. now i have to wait for it to cure fully, than on the lathe, and then cheking for rigidness ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12259
[19:25:32] <skunkworks> heh - mdadm - v2.6.7.1 - 15th October 2008
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[19:32:50] <JT-Shop> dang drill bits are getting high... 29 pc set of Cleveland 135° split parabolic $750... thats $25.862068 per bit
[19:34:26] <mhaberler> motioncontrol: the bug is fixed in *master*, not v2.6.0-pre0 - I suggest you switch to master
[19:34:32] <Tom_itx> holy crap
[19:34:41] <Tom_itx> are they diamond tip?
[19:34:52] <JT-Shop> no, cobalt Tin Coated
[19:35:14] <Tom_itx> i was looking at a cheap 115 piece set the other day
[19:35:30] <Tom_itx> as a spare
[19:38:51] <JT-Shop> I threw away a cheap 115 pc set last year... all of them were bent
[19:41:59] <mikeggg> I bought a cheap set of taps from harbor freight
[19:42:16] <mikeggg> good for practice removing broken taps
[19:42:39] <JT-Shop> oh crap I have to drill a 0.125" diameter hole 10x depth and part of the path is open now
[19:45:04] <mikeggg> material?
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[19:47:02] <JT-Shop> sticky ol 6061
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[19:53:24] <Danimal_garage> i hate 6061
[19:53:52] <Danimal_garage> i even changed some of my parts to 7075 just for ease of manufacturing, even though 6061 is a lot cheaper
[19:54:05] <cradek> JT-Shop: can you plug it?
[19:54:32] <JT-Shop> cradek: hey that's a good idea, it is a round 5/8 hole
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[19:55:13] <JT-Shop> I can spit out a couple of plugs on the lathe
[19:55:21] <Danimal_garage> i need to make a battery compartment for my auxilary battery in the van
[19:55:37] <Danimal_garage> cradek always has good ideas
[19:55:45] <JT-Shop> you can use my brake and plasma table if you like
[19:55:54] <Danimal_garage> thanks lol
[19:56:04] <frysteev> use a milkcrate
[19:56:06] <Danimal_garage> i got some sheetmetal, i'll probably just weld it
[19:56:17] <Danimal_garage> frysteev: na, too ghetto
[19:56:32] <Danimal_garage> i'm trying to think of a steel box or something that i can just buy
[19:56:38] <Danimal_garage> something with a hinged top
[19:56:55] <Danimal_garage> hm,mm maybe the electronics surplus place will have something
[19:57:09] <JT-Shop> a marine battery box?
[19:58:19] <Connor> Anyone have any recommendations on setting up my mill to drill out round stock (normally would use a lathe for this...).. I have a 3 jaw lathe chuck that can be mounted in the spindle if need be, or use V blocks and drill bit in the spindle.. .. Hard part looks like finding dead center of the round stock...
[19:58:45] <Connor> no CNC, No DRO.. 100% manual ATM. :)
[19:58:51] <Danimal_garage> well i have it in a battery box, i want to put it in something like a cabinet where i can hide the van's computer and the inverter as well
[19:59:14] <Danimal_garage> maybe with a vent through the floor as well
[20:00:03] <Danimal_garage> the van's computer is right behind the driver's seat, and it's just floating around on the floor (weird, but that's how i got it)
[20:00:23] <JT-Shop> super conductor magnets make it float?
[20:01:01] <JT-Shop> Connor: do you have a dti that you can mount on the spindle?
[20:01:31] <Connor> not yet. Just ordered one... I have a Dial Indicator that I might be able to mount in the spindle.
[20:02:54] <JT-Shop> there you go
[20:03:06] <Connor> But, how does that help ?
[20:04:35] <Danimal_garage> i guess i'll take a drive
[20:04:41] <Danimal_garage> got nothing else to do
[20:04:47] <Danimal_garage> see if i can find something
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[20:04:59] <Danimal_garage> bbl
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[20:06:28] <Connor> The stock is 1/2" and 3/4".. I guess I could cut some to length.. mount in the appropriate sized collet.. attach the V block to it.. and use that with the vice free floating to get centered on the spindle.. then clamp the vise down.
[20:06:31] <Connor> maybe.
[20:08:29] <skunkworks> we have tried that for mounting chucks on fixtures.. Never seems to be perfect. (now we have a touch probe that works great)
[20:09:00] <skunkworks> but maybe it would work better on a vertial machine :)
[20:09:06] <skunkworks> vertical
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[20:22:42] <frysteev> anyone here ever reverese engineered an rs 422 buss?
[20:24:46] <cradek> what do you mean?
[20:25:41] <archivist> that has a multi choice answer frysteev
[20:28:18] <frysteev> my oldschool robot controller currently uses rs422 to communicate with its servo boards and such,
[20:28:36] <frysteev> wondering if i could tap into that buss and possibly figure it out
[20:28:59] <Tom_itx> capture it with a logic analizer
[20:29:09] <isssy> you need the protocol , not the bus
[20:29:25] <andypugh> archivist: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190566603194
[20:29:26] <cradek> scope it to determine the baud rate, and then simply intercept
[20:29:48] <cradek> brb
[20:29:57] <frysteev> does it make sence to do or is it a waste of itme,
[20:30:36] <archivist> andypugh, damn, cant carry it home!
[20:31:13] <frysteev> just wondering if it is a good idea or not :P
[20:31:16] <andypugh> It's a waste of time that makes sense
[20:31:55] <frysteev> is it osmething feasable, figuring out a protocol.
[20:32:02] <andypugh> Absolutely.
[20:32:05] <isssy> it is not a problem to read the data , but you must decode them and this is the tricky point
[20:32:27] <andypugh> It might even be G-code, or human readable.
[20:33:09] <andypugh> archivist: Societe Genvoise did make nice tools. He has some other interesting stuff, a _very_ sturdy TOS vertical mill (also at 99p)
[20:33:24] <frysteev> http://www.flickr.com/photos/megacyclelabs/6023794692/sizes/l/in/photostream/
[20:33:37] <archivist> frysteev, sure I would use a serial analyser, or logic analyser, else a digital storage scope, or just scope it and convert to r2232 and read on a pc
[20:33:40] <frysteev> thats what i would be trying to decipher
[20:34:30] <archivist> andypugh, I noticed and added to watch, but space and lack of work stops me from playing
[20:38:52] <Connor> okay.. Yea.. this is how to do it.. mount a 1/2 or 3/4" in my spindle via collet.. remove the arbor from the 3 jaw chuck.. and secure the chuck to the other end f the round stock.. lower the Z axis till the chuck is on the table, then use my clamping kit to secure the chuck to the table.
[20:39:40] <Connor> then remove the round stock..
[20:40:57] <Connor> then I can use my normal drill chuck with drill bit.. and secure the round stock in the 3 jaw chuck, and it should be center every time, regardless of what size round stock I'm using.. and will allow me to change out to do more parts without having to setup everything again and again.
[20:41:21] <andypugh> Do you have dial-indiactor?
[20:41:38] <Connor> Yes.. I have 2 Dial Indicators.. No Dial Test Indicators as of yet..
[20:42:10] <Connor> Anything wrong with the described method?
[20:42:49] <andypugh> I mount a dial indicator on a stub of bar in the spindle chuck, then run the DTI round a piece of stock held in the three-jaw or rotary. adjusting the table position until it runs true, then zero X and Y.
[20:44:01] <Connor> Wait, Dial indicator or Dial Test Indicator or both?
[20:44:20] <andypugh> The method you describe will include the inaccuracy of both chucks, whereas the DTI in the spindle approach only incorporates the inaccuracy of the three-jaw. Other than that, not really. But I would still check with a DTI.
[20:44:33] <andypugh> There's a difference?
[20:44:46] <Connor> Yes
[20:44:55] <archivist> you sure?
[20:45:45] <Connor> The ones with a big dial and a plunger only are Dial Indicators, DTI's are the smaller ones with little levers..
[20:46:19] <Connor> DI's do around 1" DTI's only do like 0.30" or less..
[20:46:24] <andypugh> I am not sure that is a generally accepted distinction
[20:46:37] <Connor> DTI's are typically more accurate..
[20:46:47] <andypugh> But, I have recently been using the former, and wishing I also had the latter.
[20:46:53] <Connor> From all the sites and catelogs I look at.. it is..
[20:47:11] <andypugh> Maybe a US thing?
[20:47:20] <archivist> Connor, heh, look at the tangential error
[20:47:34] <archivist> plunger does not have that
[20:47:48] <archivist> resolution is not accuracy
[20:47:53] <andypugh> Anyway, for clocking around a bit of stoch in a table-mounted chuck, the plunger type is probabky best, as you can arrange to always be able to see the dial
[20:48:14] <archivist> lever ones can rotate the lever
[20:48:20] <andypugh> For clocking little bores, finger-type are nice.
[20:48:45] <archivist> my most accurate is plunger
[20:49:23] <Connor> http://www.mini-lathe.org.uk/dial_indicators.shtml
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[20:51:47] <archivist> that site is not definitive
[20:52:24] <Connor> OKay. Not going to argue..
[20:52:25] <archivist> and the next one in the set is comparator
[20:54:36] <JT-Shop> this is what I use now http://www.amazon.com/Fowler-Coaxial-Inch-Indicator-Set/dp/B001VXS9S0
[20:55:12] <JT-Shop> better price http://www.penntoolco.com/catalog/products/products.cfm?categoryID=7008
[20:55:41] <andypugh> better still: http://www.amazon.com/Import-Coaxial-Centering-Indicator/dp/B002YPA9JG/ref=pd_cp_hi_1
[20:55:44] <archivist> coaxials are exceedingly useful
[20:56:51] <Tom_itx> yeah those are nice to have
[20:57:30] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure about the one for $59 though
[20:58:13] <archivist> the one I use http://www.measureshop.biz/en/measuring-instruments/dial-bore-and-depth-gauges/centring-devices/diacator-centring-devices.html
[20:58:31] <archivist> glad I didnt have to pay the price though
[20:58:53] <Tom_itx> don't drop it
[21:02:44] <andypugh> There is one on ebay UK for £70. Tempting
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[21:05:02] <archivist> a diacator? search fails for me
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[21:09:00] <andypugh> No, a coaxial indicator. Cheapie from Allendale Stores, not a diactor.
[21:09:28] <archivist> I found that one
[21:11:33] <archivist> was essential for http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works/P1010207.JPG as there is an xy on top of a rotary on top of an x
[21:13:14] <JT-Shop> neat!
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[21:14:02] <Connor> What the heck kind of mill is that?
[21:14:04] <archivist> I never got to bring the machine home though!
[21:14:05] <JT-Shop> the non rotating dial is the sweet part I don't have to lay on my back and crawl through machinery
[21:14:27] <Danimal_garage> i got me a box from harbor freight
[21:14:40] <Danimal_garage> time to mount it!
[21:15:22] <archivist> Connor, jig/precision watch/clockmakers mill http://www.lathes.co.uk/boley%20miller/
[21:15:29] <andypugh> archivist: Is there no Z feed on that?
[21:15:51] <archivist> there is Z jim but not as we know it
[21:16:00] <andypugh> A quill, I think I see?
[21:16:22] <archivist> and a dial that can be geared in
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[21:17:03] <archivist> but only for short distances, jacking the assembly is the order of the day
[21:18:05] <archivist> see 4 bolts holding to frame, there is a place to put gauge blocks to set height
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[21:19:29] <andypugh> Yes, I read the lathes.co.uk description.
[21:20:14] <andypugh> Ideal for cutting windows in gearwheels, I suspect?
[21:20:15] <archivist> so typical design, brilliant and effin stupid in the same item
[21:20:50] <archivist> or drilling pivot holes in watch plates
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[21:22:02] <archivist> huge job to lift head enough to bash out the morse taper and change tooling
[21:22:31] <motioncontrol> good evening when start . configure --enable-run-in-place have this error : checking for Img using /usr/bin/tclsh8.4... configure: error: not found
[21:22:31] <motioncontrol> because ?
[21:23:47] <archivist> andypugh, that also had the best dividing, no other worm I tested was as good
[21:23:55] <JT-Shop> your missing a package
[21:24:04] <JT-Shop> let me find it on the wiki site for you
[21:24:44] <andypugh> It's familiar, there was a patch to make the error message clearer
[21:24:50] <JT-Shop> motioncontrol: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Resolving_outstanding_build_dependencies
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[21:27:41] <motioncontrol> JT-Shop, ok thanks
[21:27:46] <JT-Shop> np
[21:29:36] <JT-Shop> andypugh: http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,21/id,12553/lang,english/#12553
[21:30:13] <andypugh> It's not me!
[21:31:12] <andypugh> I can imagine that it would be easy to add with a few rtapi_print_msg lines in the right places.
[21:32:11] <JT-Shop> LOL
[21:32:24] <JT-Shop> but your both named Andy
[21:36:44] <Danimal_garage> guilty by namesake
[21:41:37] * JT-Shop hands a beer to Dan
[21:42:09] <Tom_itx> even before 5 oclock!
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[21:43:11] <Danimal_garage> already have one, but thanks! lol
[21:44:42] <skunkworks_> logger[psha]:
[21:45:10] <andypugh> Mate of mine with a Camlock pneumatic chuck.
[21:45:18] <andypugh> 1) How do you remove it?
[21:45:26] <andypugh> 2) Does anyone want it?
[21:45:48] <andypugh> It has no through-bore, so I am not at all sure what it is for.
[21:50:38] <Tom_itx> second op part pickoff?
[21:52:00] <KimK> Facing flat plates?
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[22:08:53] * JT-Shop did a quick calculation in his head while the F bit is plowing down ... 1/2" think material... 1/8" thick parallels... STOP get them puppies out of there
[22:11:07] <motioncontrol> Good evening . have compile with success emc2 and start it , but have erroro :Unrecognized line skipped: POC FMS LEN DIAM COMMENT
[22:11:07] <motioncontrol> libnml/buffer/physmem.cc 143: PHYSMEM_HANDLE: Can't write 10832 bytes at offset 60 from buffer of size 10208.
[22:11:07] <motioncontrol> libnml/cms/cms_in.cc 1383: CMS:(emcStatus) Error writing 10832 bytes to global memory at offset 0x81f7d40
[22:11:07] <motioncontrol> (See libnml/cms/cms_in.cc line 1386.)
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[22:14:08] <KimK> Is that an old-style tool table format?
[22:14:25] <andypugh> Looks like new-emcw with an old config
[22:15:15] <andypugh> Was it the nml file in the config that you had to delete when upgrading 2.2 to 2.4?
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[22:19:09] <JT-Shop> cradek: your plug idea worked like a charm :)
[22:19:45] <JT-Shop> motioncontrol: if you look on the wiki about upgrading you will find the needed info about both of those
[22:21:23] <motioncontrol> JT-Shop, yes excuse the problem was update, now have disinstall emc2 package and now fuction oK. More thenks at all
[22:22:49] <JT-Shop> ahh, Thick as a Brick... classical chamber music
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[22:26:30] <skunkworks_> Jethro?
[22:26:37] <JT-Shop> yep
[22:26:40] <skunkworks_> nice
[22:26:51] <Jymmmm> Tull
[22:27:24] <Jymmmm> Which species of woods do you like? Select 5 in order of preference... http://i53.tinypic.com/20u7iu8.jpg
[22:33:25] <Tom_itx> c4
[22:34:00] <Danimal_garage> sweet, this box is going to fit my audio amp, inverter, battery, and my tool box
[22:34:26] <Danimal_garage> plus i put an outlet in it, and toggle switches tu turn on and off the amp and inverter
[22:34:45] <Jymmmm> Tom_itx: 4 more please
[22:35:03] <JT-Shop> cool, where did you score it?
[22:35:41] <Danimal_garage> harbor freight
[22:35:47] <andypugh> Tom_itx is an Oak man then?
[22:35:56] <Danimal_garage> it's a box meant to go on the front of a trailer
[22:36:17] <JT-Shop> ok, I know what you mean
[22:36:33] <Tom_itx> busy.. brb
[22:36:52] <Danimal_garage> trapazoid in shape
[22:37:05] * JT-Shop ponders making brackets for air piping
[22:38:06] <andypugh> c4 d3 a1 b2 d5 (and I can smell the d5 but not name it)
[22:38:44] <Jymmmm> andypugh: ty
[22:40:02] <JT-Shop> d5 c3 d2 b3 b5
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[22:41:18] <Tom_itx> c4,d5,b5,b3,a4
[22:41:29] <Tom_itx> a4 is ash or birch
[22:41:52] <Jymmmm> Tom_itx: TY
[22:42:18] <Tom_itx> did i pass?
[22:42:25] <Jymmmm> Tom_itx: Nope =)
[22:42:39] <Tom_itx> damn
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[23:16:57] <JT-Shop> andypugh: yea, it could be forum formatting perhaps
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[23:27:43] * JT-Shop calculates that 24 brackets will be enough... so I'll make 26
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