#emc | Logs for 2011-08-15

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[00:02:43] <factor> andypugh, looking up clamp screw.
[00:03:04] <andypugh> Eh? I mean like the ones in the pictures
[00:03:09] <factor> yes
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[00:03:24] <factor> big head bolts
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[00:12:14] <andypugh> factor: http://imagebin.org/167836
[00:16:43] <andypugh> Actually, http://imagebin.org/167839 is more like it need to be,
[00:18:49] <factor> nice thanks andypugh
[00:20:31] <factor> for mine one side will be larger than the motor axis side.
[00:21:01] <andypugh> How big is the big one?
[00:21:14] <factor> 7/16
[00:24:02] <andypugh> http://imagebin.org/167841
[00:24:07] <andypugh> That doesn't work at all.
[00:25:07] <andypugh> I doubt you have enough wall thickness there for anything to work properly.
[00:26:07] <andypugh> You need fatter bar than 5/8"
[00:26:14] <factor> cool yeah thats it
[00:26:45] <factor> yesI got that bar since it was bigger than both and left a little over and 8th .
[00:27:11] <factor> was just going to drill holes each side and one hole on each side for big headed bolt
[00:27:27] <factor> still works though.
[00:27:58] <andypugh> How does this "big geaded bolt" fit?
[00:28:16] <andypugh> Are you intending to drill and tap?
[00:29:22] <factor> yes
[00:29:43] <andypugh> There isn't enough metal there for anything other than a very tiny thread.
[00:30:07] <factor> heh yeah saw that on the big side. may just drill the hole in the side for it.
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[00:30:45] <andypugh> There isn't even enough material for a screw in from the side.
[00:30:55] <andypugh> You want an absolut minimum of three threads.
[00:31:22] <factor> Well with a hole in the bigger rod
[00:33:26] <andypugh> So, if you have three threads in 3/32 of an inch (which is the wall thickness) then you need a 32 tpi thread, which means maybe an 8-32. But that is really pushing it
[00:34:09] <factor> yea, maybe a pin.
[00:34:15] <andypugh> You can't afford any point or lead-in on the thread that way
[00:34:34] <andypugh> If you can drill all the way through a roll-pin would work.
[00:34:41] <factor> yes, sounds good
[00:35:03] <andypugh> What goes in the big end?
[00:35:04] <factor> and a screw for the 5mm side
[00:35:13] <factor> 7/16
[00:35:20] <factor> 5mm in the stepper end
[00:35:24] <andypugh> Yes, which component?
[00:35:44] <factor> warm gear on the other side.
[00:35:49] <factor> worm^
[00:36:18] <andypugh> Glue?
[00:36:37] <factor> on the 5mm side.
[00:36:51] <factor> I have hot glue.
[00:37:12] <andypugh> No, you might need to change the motor. But epoxy to hold the coupling on to the worm would work.
[00:37:28] <andypugh> Can you just drill a 5mm hole in the worm?
[00:37:57] <andypugh> (definitely a job for a lathe, and a lot of care)
[00:37:58] <factor> could be an idea.
[00:38:26] <factor> 5mm and 7/16 are too close
[00:38:36] <factor> not enough meat at all
[00:38:51] <factor> would work but think its too close
[00:39:46] <factor> 16th or less left on the wall
[00:40:58] <andypugh> I get 7/16 = 11mm. So that is 3mm wall thickness, nearer 1/8in
[00:41:31] <andypugh> Is there a flat on the motor shaft?
[00:41:34] <factor> maybe I have tape around my motor for testing
[00:41:50] <factor> may have added a bit of width - electrical tape
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[00:43:13] <andypugh> Personally, I wouldn't use a worm. I would use a toothed belt. Saves all this bother with couplings, and means you are not relying on the motor bearings to suppport the worm.
[00:43:41] <andypugh> But now I need to log off. Getting close to 2am
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[00:44:14] <factor> :)
[00:44:57] <factor> I will try the coupler first. the wall i just too close to the end.
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[00:49:56] <factor> I may try welding the 5/8ths to the 7/16th then only need to have one screw hole for the stepper
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[00:51:50] <frysteev> hi
[01:05:03] <Danimal_garage> yawn
[01:05:11] <Danimal_garage> i'm lazy today
[01:07:34] <frysteev> i spent all day figuring out robot wiring
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[01:17:27] <frysteev> still need to figure out the resolvers
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[01:30:33] <frysteev> how do encoders talk to emc? do they just send pulse, and direction?
[01:31:34] <Danimal_garage> they usually send pulses
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[01:32:21] <frysteev> that makes sence, but how does it communicate what direction the movement is?
[01:32:31] <Danimal_garage> there's an A and a B channel, and they are staggered so it can distinguish direction. There's also an index channel, which is one pulse per rev, used for homing
[01:32:54] <frysteev> so quadrature based then,
[01:33:00] <Danimal_garage> usually
[01:33:11] <Danimal_garage> i'm no expert, but that's the jist of it
[01:33:55] <frysteev> im using resolvers, so trying to figure out the best way of doing it,
[01:34:41] <Danimal_garage> get a resolver to encoder board
[01:34:55] <Danimal_garage> mesa makes one, so does pico
[01:35:03] <Danimal_garage> i have pico boards in my lathe
[01:35:13] <frysteev> ive been looking on the mesa site,
[01:35:20] <Danimal_garage> but that's mainly because mesa didn't make them at the time
[01:35:24] <Tom_itx> Danimal_garage, are there ppl from pico here as well?
[01:35:32] <Danimal_garage> i dunno, i think so
[01:35:37] <Danimal_garage> at least occasionally
[01:35:52] <Tom_itx> gonna say, seems like there's good support here for mesa
[01:36:08] <Tom_itx> (don't let it go to your heads) :D
[01:36:10] <Danimal_garage> i've had good luck with the pico boards, however i think they only work with certain resolvers
[01:36:29] <Danimal_garage> yea, all the rest of my boards are mesa, in all 3 of my machines
[01:36:38] <frysteev> im going to try and resuse the servo controller boards, i just need to figure out the i/o and the resolvers, ill go inverstigate mesa
[01:36:49] <Tom_itx> they seem eager to solve problems
[01:36:50] <frysteev> they just make alot of stuff so i get distracted
[01:36:56] <Danimal_garage> do the resolvers go into the servo drives?
[01:37:02] <frysteev> no,
[01:37:15] <Danimal_garage> ok
[01:37:22] <frysteev> the servo drives have a tach signal,
[01:37:29] <Danimal_garage> so yea, you'll need something to convert it
[01:37:32] <frysteev> the resolvers go to the orginal cpu
[01:37:34] <Danimal_garage> yea
[01:37:52] <Danimal_garage> what are you building?
[01:38:19] <frysteev> http://www.flickr.com/photos/megacyclelabs/6037366638/
[01:38:23] <frysteev> rebuilding that
[01:38:49] <Danimal_garage> cool
[01:39:18] <Tom_itx> for what purpose?
[01:39:56] <Danimal_garage> old fashions behind the wood shed
[01:40:16] <Danimal_garage> no need for uncle Leo anymore
[01:40:30] <Danimal_garage> j/k
[01:40:46] <Danimal_garage> it's a bit past beer thirty, i forget where i am sometimes
[01:41:48] <frysteev> i plan to use it for plasma cutting/welding
[01:42:00] <Danimal_garage> nice
[01:42:03] <Tom_itx> yeah
[01:42:16] <Danimal_garage> one of my buddies has one for that he got from ford
[01:42:18] <frysteev> the original compurter and interface is ASS
[01:42:43] <frysteev> but its all modular, so the motor dirve stuff is seperate form the cpu
[01:43:12] <Danimal_garage> should be easy
[01:43:17] <Danimal_garage> how old is it?
[01:43:21] <frysteev> trying to figure out which mes baord for resolvers,
[01:43:36] <frysteev> is it a seperate board, or just special firmaware?
[01:43:39] <Danimal_garage> ask pcw_home
[01:43:48] <Danimal_garage> probably a special board
[01:43:56] <Danimal_garage> with seperate firmware
[01:44:02] <frysteev> its mid 80's
[01:44:12] <Danimal_garage> cool
[01:44:35] <frysteev> there is also what looks to be chokes on the motor power lines,
[01:45:42] <frysteev> i also need to fugure out how the original computer communiated with the servos,
[01:45:53] <Danimal_garage> maybe it was causing noise
[01:46:19] <Danimal_garage> how many wires going from the drives to the pc?
[01:46:25] <frysteev> well they are transformers, but wired in series,
[01:47:30] <frysteev> it wasnt until i really looks that the transformers only had 2 wires coming from them, and that they were in series between the motor and contorller, one for each axis, and these are not small transformers either, so i assumed they were chokes,
[01:48:17] <frysteev> yeah im lost on the mesa site
[01:50:52] <frysteev> oooo found it, 7149 daughter card
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[02:04:37] <Danimal_garage> yay, machine's ready to test
[02:04:50] <Danimal_garage> i have a feeling i need to beef up the z axis a little though
[02:04:53] <Tom_itx> well what the heck you waitin for?
[02:05:21] <frysteev> pics?
[02:05:24] <Danimal_garage> trying to find my memory stick
[02:05:35] <Danimal_garage> i'll take some in a bit
[02:08:10] <Danimal_garage> ok wish me luck!
[02:09:44] <frysteev> ok so the mesa 7149, it connects to the resolversm does it also connect to the servo drives too? or would i need another card for that
[02:12:14] <frysteev> nvm, i reread it
[02:15:01] <Danimal_garage> haha holy shit that's fast
[02:15:08] <Danimal_garage> WAY faster than the mill
[02:15:16] <frysteev> ?
[02:15:47] <Tom_itx> 600ipm?
[02:15:51] <Danimal_garage> the engraver i just built
[02:15:53] <Danimal_garage> yes
[02:15:58] <Danimal_garage> but the acceleration
[02:16:03] <Tom_itx> yep
[02:16:06] <Danimal_garage> 13 second cycle time
[02:16:53] <Danimal_garage> i gotta work on my offsets a hair, but i'll take a vid in a few minutes
[02:16:55] <Tom_itx> what motors were you using? i forget..
[02:17:02] <Danimal_garage> some servos
[02:17:05] <Danimal_garage> it came on it
[02:17:10] <Tom_itx> oh
[02:17:39] <Danimal_garage> brb
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[02:27:10] <Danimal_garage> definitely needs a little more Z rigidity
[02:30:02] <frysteev> pics ? :P
[02:30:35] <Danimal_garage> hold on, the vid's uploading
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[02:34:27] <Danimal_garage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_oQmzgqONU
[02:34:33] <Danimal_garage> give it a sec, it's processing
[02:35:21] <Danimal_garage> i suggest hitting mute, it's loud as hell
[02:35:56] <Tom_itx> :)
[02:36:03] <Danimal_garage> a different one from when i just got it moving. It doesn't have the sub plate on it yet
[02:36:06] <Danimal_garage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HdA2myl_oQ
[02:36:15] <frysteev> im looking
[02:37:36] <frysteev> cool
[02:37:58] <Tom_itx> nice
[02:38:40] <frysteev> good job
[02:38:52] <Danimal_garage> thanks!
[02:39:12] <Danimal_garage> i need to change out the z axis linear slide i think
[02:39:16] <Tom_itx> you'll definitely be doing dry runs with new code on that
[02:39:22] <Danimal_garage> lol
[02:39:35] <Danimal_garage> mastercam generally doesn't screw up
[02:39:38] <Danimal_garage> but yea
[02:39:41] <Tom_itx> yeah i know
[02:39:55] <Tom_itx> sometimes you get the z retract off a bit on tooling etc
[02:40:01] <Danimal_garage> yea
[02:40:12] <Tom_itx> not accounting for the fixtures etc
[02:40:14] <Danimal_garage> luckily no toolchanges, so no TLO's
[02:41:07] <Tom_itx> i lost my allen wrench for my encoders
[02:41:20] <Tom_itx> .035"
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[02:43:08] <Tom_itx> i swear i put it somewhere i wouldn't loose it
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[02:46:31] <frysteev> hmm
[02:47:08] <Danimal_garage> that sucks
[02:47:14] <Danimal_garage> those are hard to get too
[02:47:58] <Danimal_garage> the only place i could find one is at home depot in one of those assorted miniature screwdriver sets
[02:48:08] <Danimal_garage> with the replaceable tips
[02:48:20] <Danimal_garage> or bits i mean
[02:48:27] <Tom_itx> i got a single one locally but i'll be darned if i remember where
[02:49:25] <Danimal_garage> well off to relax for me, adios
[02:49:42] <Tom_itx> l8r
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[09:12:30] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[09:12:46] <psha[work]> Loetmichel: good day
[09:16:26] <Loetmichel> s**t, i HATE notebook PSUs. steel box around, powerfilter in series, ferrit clips on the cabling: still failing in the EMI-chamber :-(
[09:17:19] <archivist> slot antenna effect?, poor filter design?
[09:21:09] <automata> afternoon
[09:29:29] <Loetmichel> archivist: ready build filter with "computer" plug in it (the tree pronged male plug for mains power)
[09:29:53] <Loetmichel> the DC cabling to the notepook is not shielded, i think taht is the problem
[09:30:35] <Loetmichel> slot antenne i doubt, 'cause the steel case has a screw every 20mm.
[09:39:05] <archivist> did they forget sensible output filter on the DC too :)
[09:39:59] <archivist> or better couple the internal noise onto the output leads
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[10:39:42] <alex4nder> hey
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[10:58:31] <Loetmichel> archivist: the problem is: we have to get our computers about 60dB UNTER CE-norm. it often like voodoo. our Engineer asked yesterday for some space to build an altar and sacifice some goats ;-)
[10:58:58] <Loetmichel> i said to him: " thats no SCSI, so i doubt that would help!" ;-)
[11:03:26] <archivist> hehe tight specs :)
[11:05:33] <archivist> might have screws at the right spacing but the vents :)
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[11:33:54] <jthornton> Tom_itx: 0.035" 0.9 4 45/64" 7270A38 $3.78
[11:34:00] <jthornton> mcmaster carr
[11:35:17] <Loetmichel> archivist: Sdip 27 level A rings a bell?
[11:35:20] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[11:36:03] <Tom_itx> jt, thanks.. i think i can find one locally but if not...
[11:37:02] <jthornton> the screwdriver ones like that are handy for tiny little set screws
[11:37:27] <Tom_itx> i figured out last night these motors are a mismatch anyway
[11:37:34] <Tom_itx> one is larger than the other
[11:37:54] <Tom_itx> could still work
[11:38:26] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/motors/motor3.jpg
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[11:39:46] <jthornton> both on the same axis?
[11:39:58] <Tom_itx> no no
[11:40:13] <Tom_itx> i was thinking for x and y
[11:41:17] <jthornton> put the big one on the heaviest loaded axis
[11:43:35] <Tom_itx> don't know much about them except they're off copiers
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[11:49:34] <jthornton> hmm this looks good for the Hardinge monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882021111&Tpk=rms-ma3210
[11:50:15] <jthornton> $35 between 6pm and 11:59pm today
[11:51:14] <Tom_itx> professional installation for ONLY $249.99
[11:51:39] <jthornton> I'm cheaper than that LOL
[11:52:35] <jthornton> I can't make one for $35
[11:52:58] <Tom_itx> probably not
[11:53:01] <jthornton> but I still need a keyboard and a mouse as I want ngcgui and Axis
[11:53:55] <jthornton> it holds 55 lbs so I can hang a keyboard and mouse from there too
[11:58:01] <frysteev> morning
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[12:32:39] <frysteev> anyone awake this early?
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[12:34:05] <Loetmichel> early?
[12:34:11] <alex4nder> yes
[12:34:14] <Loetmichel> its 14:34 over here ;-)
[12:34:28] <alex4nder> Loetmichel: the earth revolves around Los Angeles
[12:34:47] <Loetmichel> alex4nder: does it? since when?
[12:34:49] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[12:35:12] <frysteev> ahhh
[12:35:36] <alex4nder> Loetmichel: since the UK stopped being relevant, and everyone started copying California. ;)
[12:35:45] <alex4nder> bankruptcy and all
[12:35:47] <Loetmichel> hihi
[12:36:29] <Loetmichel> as long as your next president wont be the texan governor....
[12:36:35] <Loetmichel> *shudder*
[12:37:26] <alex4nder> yah,. well. :/ people lose track of things when everything is going great.
[12:37:45] <alex4nder> unfortunately, it gets worse when people are in the throes of denial.
[12:38:44] <alex4nder> they tend to do whatever they can to avoid cognitive dissonance
[12:39:59] <archivist> the UK is still here!
[12:40:15] <archivist> and as a clockmaker time still belongs here :)
[12:42:35] <alex4nder> haha
[12:43:19] <frysteev> archivist: i was talking to you about resolvers yesterday i think?
[12:44:18] <archivist> frysteev, all I did was mention they are used
[12:46:04] <archivist> alex4nder, real clocks http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=greenwich
[12:47:20] <alex4nder> archivist: ah, very cool
[12:48:23] <archivist> I have one of the xtal standards that those used
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[12:52:19] <frysteev> i looked at the mesa stuff, and i htink im good on the resolver front,
[12:52:20] <A2Sheds> is that the machine that would answer the phone when you called Time back in the 60-70's?
[12:52:36] <frysteev> how are servos typical fed control wise,
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[12:52:43] <frysteev> i mean servo amplifier,
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[12:53:58] <frysteev> last peice of the puzzle to figure out in my head in between the computer and my stock hardware,
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[12:58:39] <archivist> A2Sheds, no, I dont have a pic of that but its at the BHI museum Upton Hall
[12:59:31] <A2Sheds> frysteev: www.baldor.com/pdf/manuals/1205-394.pdf here's a simple overview, pg 16
[13:00:07] <frysteev> thanks
[13:00:24] <frysteev> i dont mean to be a noob, i just find the googles have toooo much info
[13:00:25] <archivist> A2Sheds, well its well hidden in the right behind heads http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2002/2002_10_14_BHI_Millenium_Clock/PA130410.JPG
[13:03:06] <archivist> the Greenwich clock provided the pips that BBC played out and synchronised the speaking clock
[13:03:51] <frysteev> A2Sheds: that rocks, that has a ton of info i need, without being too basic or talking in uber engineer speak
[13:07:14] <frysteev> the mesa 7149 will send the dive signal to the servo amp i believe...
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[13:26:04] <A2Sheds> archivist: any idea what the actual recording and playback media was for the first BBC version of the speaking clock? From 1963 and later it was a magnetic drum
[13:26:15] <A2Sheds> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaking_clock#United_Kingdom
[13:28:53] <archivist> A2Sheds, the one at Upton is clock no 2 http://www.bhi.co.uk/images/Speaking%20Clock.jpg
[13:30:45] <A2Sheds> "voice was recorded optically onto the glass disks in a similar way to a film soundtrack" film uses a magnetic stripe
[13:31:37] <A2Sheds> can't tell if it was a metal oxide coated glass disc or what from the description
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[13:33:50] <Jymmm> http://www.britishtelephones.com/clocks/spkgclock.htm
[13:34:59] <Jymmm> http://www.britishtelephones.com/clocks/clocksp.htm
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[13:36:51] <A2Sheds> heh the audio was recorded the same way images are recorded on film
[13:38:17] <A2Sheds> voice to voltage, voltage to light onto glass film
[13:47:29] <TekniQue> yes
[13:47:38] <TekniQue> the same way audio is recorded on film
[13:47:49] <TekniQue> well, was, before DTS digital audio
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[13:55:06] * Loetmichel @ work ;-) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12244 (safety googles? what for?) ;-)
[13:55:44] <Loetmichel> (the picture was taken by my apprenice... great role model i am... ;-)
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[13:56:47] <archivist> got glasses on...pfft
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[13:59:51] <skunkworks> no one ever looks like I think they should..
[14:02:04] <A2Sheds> or sounds based on appearance
[14:02:32] <skunkworks> This is me about 5ish years ago.. http://electronicsam.com/images/me.JPG (hair was died there - normally it is white - beard is red/gray now)
[14:02:44] <skunkworks> dyed?
[14:03:16] <A2Sheds> supermodels should all be mutes
[14:03:31] <skunkworks> (having a pint of guinnes on the ireland trip.)
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[14:16:46] <Jymmm> Has anyone ever seen an extruded aluminum profile something like this before? http://codepad.org/Dx3mfDfT
[14:17:21] <Jymmm> It's a single piece, I just added the line for clarity
[14:17:53] <A2Sheds> a Z-ish channel
[14:18:07] <Jymmm> Yeah, an offset Z channel
[14:18:51] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: have you searched all the architectural and heatsink extrusion websites?
[14:19:24] <Jymmm> *ALL* of them, no. Most of them yes.
[14:19:43] <A2Sheds> the offset makes it a bit odd
[14:20:39] <Jymmm> Yeah, it allows the outside edge and inside edge to be the same dimension
[14:21:16] <Loetmichel> archivist: the glasses are so small, they are NOT helping wir grinding sparks
[14:21:37] <Jymmm> face shield?
[14:21:43] <Jymmm> and a hat
[14:22:09] <Jymmm> and dont wear a shirt with pockets =)
[14:22:26] <A2Sheds> http://images.buyaliencostumes.com/adult-space-helmet.jpg
[14:22:31] <Loetmichel> ... and the bottle alcohol right nearby wasnt so clever, either ;-)
[14:22:41] <Jymmm> lol
[14:22:59] <Jymmm> The hat is just to keep the swarf out of your hair
[14:23:29] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: i am not hurt, but the apprentice souldnt learn by negative example... ;-)
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[14:23:56] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: We al gotta larn the hard way sometime
[14:24:02] <Jymmm> learn
[14:26:59] <A2Sheds> http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/25064-welding_vehicle_supported_2x4s.jpg
[14:27:36] <Loetmichel> A2Sheds: normal way to weld the frame, isnt it?
[14:27:37] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[14:27:54] <A2Sheds> what could go wrong?
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[14:28:53] <JT-Shop> two pieces of angle welded together
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[14:30:17] <JT-Shop> looks safe enough for me, wheel chocked, up against the curb, backup 4x4...
[14:30:25] <skunkworks> Loetmichel: what do you teach?
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[14:42:06] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: http://www.mcmaster.com/#aluminum-z-bars/=dmpbs7
[14:43:15] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Is that OFFSET Z, or am I not seeing it?
[14:43:46] <JT-Shop> what do you mean?
[14:43:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://codepad.org/Dx3mfDfT
[14:44:37] <Jymmm> Or, if it helps.... http://codepad.org/1EqRLEK3
[14:45:05] <Jymmm> correction... http://codepad.org/BAV5ngdK
[14:45:31] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: how are you using it?
[14:45:51] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: ?
[14:46:52] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: trying to picture why you want that profile along with "inside and outside edge being the same dim."
[14:50:10] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: there's an extruder in Bensenville that can make a tool for $1k, depending on size
[14:51:11] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: alignment purposes. http://codepad.org/XKgtrIN9
[14:52:23] <skunkworks> could you bolt 2 angles together?
[14:53:17] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Yeah, I was just trying to avoid that as I have 8+ feet that I would need to align and bolt together perfectly
[14:53:43] <A2Sheds> ahh only 8 feet
[14:53:52] <Jymmm> http://codepad.org/Ki38OxIz
[14:55:58] <JT-Shop> what is the reason for the steps
[14:56:08] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: alignment
[14:56:30] <JT-Shop> nothing is made like that so you would have add a strip to the Z profile
[14:56:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Note that both rulers align to the same position
[14:56:46] <JT-Shop> or bolt two angles together
[14:57:30] <Jymmm> Bolt or rivet?
[14:57:45] <JT-Shop> no extruded profile will be perfect any way
[14:58:52] <A2Sheds> runout on extrusions isn't that tight, it has to be machined for tight tolerances
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[14:59:54] <Danimal_garage> morning
[15:01:47] <skunkworks> Good morning!
[15:02:15] <Danimal_garage> well i wouldn't go that far lol
[15:02:24] <Jymmm> what he said
[15:02:26] <Danimal_garage> i'm up before 9....
[15:02:45] <Danimal_garage> damn noisy garbage trucks
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[15:04:31] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Yeah! You need all the beauty sleep you can get!!!
[15:05:38] <JT-Shop> I just had to tell the loggers to not use jake brakes in this area
[15:05:47] <JT-Shop> sounds like they are in your house
[15:05:52] <Jymmm> jill brakes?
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[15:06:16] <A2Sheds> Jymmm: http://www.aec.org/assets/pdfs/AATolerancesTable_Jul2006.pdf
[15:06:34] <JT-Shop> just have a machine shop mill that from some MIC6 Jymmm it will be perfect almost
[15:06:46] <JT-Shop> morning Dan
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[15:09:31] <Danimal_garage> Morning John
[15:10:04] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i think i need to beef up the z axis on the engraver
[15:10:38] <Danimal_garage> i'm not sure if i should try to find a beefier linear actuator, or just add a linear rail to it somewhere
[15:11:00] <JT-Shop> can you fit a linear rail somewhere
[15:11:16] <Danimal_garage> not super easily
[15:11:46] <Danimal_garage> i havent looked to see how the ball nut attaches to the actuator
[15:11:49] <A2Sheds> how much travel in Z?
[15:12:21] <Danimal_garage> 9", but i don't need much more than 4-5"
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[15:54:20] * JT-Shop wonders if the hassle of using RO water for my coolant would be worth it???
[15:59:23] <Danimal_garage> probably not
[15:59:38] <JT-Shop> save it for my beer then
[15:59:40] <Danimal_garage> i don't, doesn't seem to make much of a difference
[15:59:59] <Danimal_garage> every place i've ever worked did though
[16:00:12] <JT-Shop> I'm going to get a larger tank I think
[16:00:30] <Danimal_garage> my tank only holds 10 gallons, so it's usually gone before it's bad
[16:00:48] <JT-Shop> I can get a 14 gallon tank for $100
[16:00:48] <Danimal_garage> RO tank or coolant tank?
[16:00:54] <JT-Shop> RO tank
[16:00:59] <Danimal_garage> ah
[16:01:01] <Danimal_garage> nice
[16:01:45] <JT-Shop> I think mine is a 3 gallon tank now on the RO
[16:02:16] <JT-Shop> ok for everyday use but on brew day you have collect water ahead of time or sit there for 4 hours
[16:03:25] <Danimal_garage> yea
[16:03:39] <Danimal_garage> 5 is ok for what i do, i never really run out
[16:03:52] <Danimal_garage> i just use it for drinking water and for anodizing
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[16:05:18] <Danimal_garage> time to walk the dogs, bbl
[16:06:45] <JT-Shop> my Kurt lookalike and my Glacern vise both had a little gap beneath the movable jaw and you would get chips in there and you blow with air for ever and chips still come out
[16:07:04] <JT-Shop> so I finally put a small piece of rubber in there and it is working well
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[16:19:43] <Jymmm> This is actually a pretty nice light... http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20169658
[16:20:18] <canid> getting closer and closer to being able to buy my mill and lathe
[16:20:57] <Jymmm> Unless you are saving some cash buying both at the same time, I'd buy one, then the other individually.
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[16:21:52] <Jymmm> You'll be too busy playing with too many new toys at the same time.
[16:22:30] <Jymmm> One may have a defect you won't notice till it's too late since you'll be playing with the other one.
[16:23:20] <Jymmm> warranty repairs/returns and all that junk.
[16:29:24] <JT-Shop> don't forget to allow a ton of money for tooling...
[16:31:35] <Jymmm> => cost of actual equipment
[16:32:03] <canid> of course
[16:32:27] <canid> i'm still daydreaming
[16:32:39] <canid> but i'm getting ready to travel out of state to check out a couple good job leads
[16:33:07] <canid> of course, if i get such a position, i'll hardly have time to play with them
[16:34:52] <canid> pretty sure the lathe i want is grizzly's G4003g
[16:35:44] <canid> they have a slightly bigger lathe in the same price range, but they seem to have gone the extra mile with their QC on that one over some of their others
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[16:37:44] <JT-Shop> typically you will do more work on a mill than a lathe for general parts
[16:38:10] <Danimal_garage> yea what he said
[16:38:27] <Danimal_garage> at least 2-3 times more on the mill than lathe for me
[16:38:33] <JT-Shop> the G4003g does look kinda decent for a Griz lathe
[16:38:46] <JT-Shop> I might to 10% of the jobs on the lathe
[16:39:29] <JT-Shop> of course if your making gun barrels all day...
[16:39:56] <archivist> just use the right tool for the job :)
[16:40:00] <Jymmm> Sell me a couple completed and fully operational =)
[16:40:05] <frysteev> can you lathe me a no parrell for my tank?
[16:40:11] <frysteev> barrell
[16:40:33] <Jymmm> frysteev: Will 10" concrete pipe do ya?
[16:40:44] <frysteev> is t rifled?
[16:40:52] <Jymmm> Uh, sure.
[16:40:58] <JT-Shop> it does have some things you normally don't see like roller steady and following rests
[16:43:16] <JT-Shop> they even list the tolerances for the lathe, I'm impressed with that
[16:43:28] <Danimal_garage> lol
[16:43:50] <JT-Shop> Dan did you read back my vise fix?
[16:43:55] <Danimal_garage> yea
[16:44:28] <Danimal_garage> i never clean my vice lol
[16:44:31] <JT-Shop> I can't see inside the movable jaw so it is a pain if something is left in there
[16:44:51] <Danimal_garage> you mean the big pocket on the underside?
[16:45:00] <Danimal_garage> of the movable jaw?
[16:45:03] <JT-Shop> yea
[16:45:07] <Danimal_garage> ah
[16:45:27] <JT-Shop> a strip of 1/8" rubber under the jaw in the middle closed that up
[16:45:38] <Danimal_garage> i usually vaccum with my shop vac before i blow, it helps a lot
[16:45:43] <JT-Shop> maybe 1/16" thick I forget it was yesterday
[16:45:50] <Danimal_garage> nice, good idea
[16:46:35] <JT-Shop> I would have to have a wet vac as it is really flooded with coolant now with the bigger (proper sized) pump
[16:46:57] <Danimal_garage> i use the foam filters
[16:47:15] <JT-Shop> yuck, I have to mill a 2" radius on the edge of a part and I have to do it between my two vises that are 3" apart
[16:47:42] <Danimal_garage> i can't flood the hell out of it since i have a knee mill
[16:47:58] <JT-Shop> I think a bit of a sandwich is in order
[16:48:13] <Danimal_garage> sounds like fun
[16:48:21] <JT-Shop> yea, I know what you mean I have a BP with a CNC conversion on it and just use air
[16:48:37] <JT-Shop> can't wait to get it over here
[16:48:43] <JT-Shop> brb
[16:49:21] <frysteev> i need to make a cnc bacon cooker,
[16:50:07] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_oQmzgqONU
[16:50:34] <Danimal_garage> frysteev: it's called a george foreman grill
[16:51:10] <frysteev> im thinking it should be cnc'ed eg. back to the future/ rube goldberg,
[16:51:16] <A2Sheds> place the bridgeport in a kiddie pool, flood with coolant, wear waders :)
[16:51:37] <Danimal_garage> A2Sheds: i just made a small enclosure for the table
[16:51:48] <Danimal_garage> works ok
[16:51:56] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: have pics?
[16:51:56] <Danimal_garage> i just can't flood the hell out of it
[16:52:00] <frysteev> A2Sheds: GFCI for the machine?
[16:52:02] <Danimal_garage> yea hold on
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[16:54:15] <Danimal_garage> hmm maybe not, my photobucket isnt working
[16:55:31] <A2Sheds> frysteev: http://www.hubbellpowersystems.com/lineman/accessories/suit.asp
[16:55:40] <frysteev> frysteev: http://www.hubbellpowersystems.com/lineman/accessories/suit.asp
[16:55:45] <frysteev> err
[16:56:16] <A2Sheds> just don't touch anyone else outside the pool
[16:56:45] <Danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0797.jpg
[16:57:56] <frysteev> Danimal_garage: thats your shopp?
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[16:58:04] <Danimal_garage> yea part of it
[16:58:34] <frysteev> cool
[16:58:44] <JT-Shop> cool Dan
[16:58:50] <frysteev> im just uploading pics of my servo amp board and servo control boards
[16:58:54] <Danimal_garage> thanks
[16:59:01] <frysteev> yeah its nice
[16:59:10] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: did you see the video?
[16:59:24] <JT-Shop> yea neat!
[16:59:51] <Danimal_garage> 13 second cycle time
[17:00:05] <JT-Shop> how many times has the Y axis motor and your shin met up?
[17:00:15] <Danimal_garage> a lil faster than the mill :)
[17:00:29] <Danimal_garage> never, it's about ball level
[17:00:32] <JT-Shop> that is fast you need a pneumatic hold down
[17:00:40] <JT-Shop> ouch
[17:00:53] <Danimal_garage> yea you're right
[17:01:29] <Danimal_garage> i've never hit it yet
[17:01:52] <JT-Shop> my bp http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Machine%20Shop/HPIM0599.jpg
[17:01:55] <Danimal_garage> the table hangs over it pretty good when it's in loading/unloading position
[17:02:33] <JT-Shop> my manual lathe http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Machine%20Shop/HPIM2631.jpg
[17:02:56] <frysteev> http://www.flickr.com/photos/megacyclelabs/6046459896/
[17:03:01] <frysteev> my servo amp boards
[17:03:01] <Danimal_garage> nice, and nice! i need a better manual lathe
[17:03:23] <JT-Shop> I can't wait to drag it over here
[17:03:36] <JT-Shop> my it is clean in that photo
[17:03:48] <frysteev> and the servo controller boards http://www.flickr.com/photos/megacyclelabs/6046453436/in/photostream/
[17:05:04] <Danimal_garage> cool
[17:05:46] <frysteev> nice shop
[17:06:06] <frysteev> my amp boards look pretty simple to figure out, the contorl boards i dunno about yet
[17:06:16] <JT-Shop> frysteev: me or Dan
[17:06:26] <JT-Shop> or both
[17:06:27] <frysteev> both your shops look cool and clean
[17:06:38] <frysteev> mine looks like something on storage wars
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[17:06:56] <JT-Shop> those photos are across town at my partners shop
[17:07:07] <frysteev> i showed you pics of mine right?
[17:07:20] <JT-Shop> this is mine http://gnipsel.com/shop/machine-shop.xhtml
[17:07:26] <JT-Shop> yes, I think so
[17:07:58] <frysteev> its basically 4 cars worth of space in an underground parking garage,
[17:08:26] <IG-garage> I will finally learn plasma router, somewhat like 2.5 by 7 meters in size. Weird G-code program has trailing zeros instead of floating point
[17:08:29] <JT-Shop> you can fit a lot of stuff in that much room
[17:08:31] <frysteev> so i dont have alot of head room, but on the weekends, i have t pig garage doors that open and i can use the whole parking garage
[17:08:42] <frysteev> the problem is i have alot of stupp :P
[17:08:45] <frysteev> stuff
[17:08:51] <IG-garage> frysteev: please show your pics
[17:09:37] <frysteev> megacyclelabs.com
[17:09:48] <IG-garage> i also rearrange stuff on the shelf in the garage for it to be more clean, designer will do air brushing in my garage
[17:09:55] <frysteev> hold on ill get a better link
[17:10:12] <frysteev> http://megacyclelabs.com/?p=187
[17:10:45] <frysteev> wow i need to update my blog :P
[17:10:56] <IG-garage> oh, will see
[17:11:14] <canid> i'm still not sure what i want in a mill
[17:11:31] <Danimal_garage> xyz and a spindle is a good start
[17:11:33] <Danimal_garage> :)
[17:11:53] <canid> lol
[17:12:01] <frysteev> or fruitcake
[17:12:26] <canid> obviously i'm going to want to do a cnc conversion
[17:12:31] <canid> even if i don't have any need for it
[17:13:24] <IG-garage> frysteev: is it all behind your cottage?
[17:13:30] <IG-garage> *below
[17:13:33] <frysteev> no, in a parking garage
[17:13:38] <JT-Shop> wow I can get 4 bolt wheels for the trike for $50 each
[17:13:49] <frysteev> its underground, so its a constant temp all year round
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[17:14:27] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: probably cheaper if you look around
[17:14:57] <frysteev> espically if you dont want them balanced
[17:15:33] <IG-garage> frysteev: my garage is far away from home, too. I'm walking for about 15 minutes to get to it. Sometimes, it's about -26 Celsius in the streets.
[17:15:36] <JT-Shop> just looking at some and they only weigh 15lbs so that is good
[17:19:58] <frysteev> cool
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[17:30:02] <Danimal_garage> does the bike have a mono shock or twin shocks?
[17:34:02] * JT-Shop goes to look
[17:34:48] <JT-Shop> old school twin shocks
[17:36:12] <Danimal_garage> are you going to make a new swingarm or mod the existing one?
[17:36:53] <JT-Shop> my thought is to make a new one so the connection to the axle will be solid
[17:37:10] <Danimal_garage> probably a good idea
[17:38:54] <JT-Shop> that way I don't modify any of the original parts in case it don't work out like I expect
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[17:45:44] <JT-Shop> I just realized when I convert my BP from Anilam to EMC2 I can home it :)
[17:47:24] <Danimal_garage> ha
[17:47:30] <Danimal_garage> is it stepper?
[17:48:18] <Danimal_garage> or is it just that bad of a control?
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[17:48:47] <JT-Shop> no, it is servo with encoder feedback... the control is fine but not as good as EMC
[17:49:07] <Danimal_garage> and it can't home? that's really weird
[17:49:18] <Danimal_garage> wonder if it has index lines on the encoders
[17:49:34] <skunkworks> homing to index is awesome
[17:49:37] <JT-Shop> yea, it can home if you send them the money for that
[17:49:44] <Tom_itx> ok, local surplus guy had the .035 allen
[17:49:45] <Danimal_garage> ha
[17:49:54] <JT-Shop> and it can do rigid tapping if you purchase that option too
[17:50:06] <Danimal_garage> they know how to stick it to you
[17:50:56] <JT-Shop> yea when I checked it was $750 just for spindle control without encoder feedback
[17:51:41] <Danimal_garage> ha
[17:51:46] <Danimal_garage> wow
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[18:30:40] <Danimal_garage> damn servers
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[18:45:03] <JT-Shop> shoot them Dan
[18:45:39] <Danimal_garage> i would but i don't know where they are
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[18:47:00] <Danimal_garage> i should probably clean my shop
[18:47:50] <Danimal_garage> supposed to have somebody from a magazine visting this week, and i'm hoping to get an article on my company
[18:50:32] <JT-Shop> cool
[18:56:44] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop making friends with your logger buddies?
[18:57:28] <Danimal_garage> as in tree logging or logging logging?
[18:57:44] <Tom_itx> i was catching up on the logs here
[18:57:48] <Tom_itx> not tree logs either
[18:57:58] <Tom_itx> but was referring to them
[18:58:15] <Tom_itx> make perfect sense?
[18:59:14] <Danimal_garage> as long as it's not the third kind of log
[19:01:49] <JT-Shop> clear cutting 300 acres
[19:02:09] <JT-Shop> he was nice about it as was I and I've not heard a jake brake all day
[19:02:16] <Tom_itx> is that good or bad?
[19:02:34] <Tom_itx> the clear cutting that is?
[19:02:45] <JT-Shop> not my property so I don't know
[19:02:53] <JT-Shop> new owner is a cattleman
[19:02:59] <Tom_itx> oh
[19:03:12] <Tom_itx> well he's probably hoping for better grazing land
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[19:29:22] <archivist> anybody know of any SSD made VFD manuals available, cant see a model number on this one but its a 240 20 single phase in 240 10a 3 phase out
[19:30:01] <archivist> works ok on mill motor but trips on the lathe motor after running for a bit
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[19:33:19] <andypugh> http://www.ssddrives.com/usa/doc/HA467649U002.pdf
[19:33:54] <andypugh> Not sure it is any help
[19:34:56] <archivist> not unfortunately, mine is seriously older
[19:35:09] <archivist> huge in comparison
[19:38:01] <archivist> be nice to find the discontinued models
[19:43:53] <archivist> Im guessing mine is pre legacy manual :(
[19:45:46] <archivist> just visible in the background http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2011/2011_07_13_Adcock_and_Shipley/IMG_1139.JPG
[19:50:06] <andypugh> I love the way the mill says "modern" on it.
[19:50:40] <andypugh> And that VFD looks like it should be full of thermionic valves.
[19:50:47] <archivist> well it was in 1945!
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[19:51:43] <archivist> SSD seems to be a eurotherm spinoff in 1974, the drive looks oldish perhaps 1980's
[19:52:08] <andypugh> and now part of parker
[19:52:18] <Danimal_garage> hey, are you calling me oldish?
[19:52:24] <archivist> has a few pots and switches I dont know what to adjust
[19:52:51] <archivist> 1980...iz kidz
[19:53:18] <archivist> at least the mill is older than me :)
[19:53:26] <skunkworks> archivist: did the rioting effect you?
[19:53:56] <archivist> neares was in Derby about 12 miles away, so no
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[19:54:13] <andypugh> It affected me, I got home a bit earlier because my train didn't stop in Barking.
[19:54:22] <skunkworks> heh
[19:54:37] <andypugh> Viesturs was in London, and had a bus re-routed or something.
[19:55:14] <andypugh> And "Rioting" suggests a political element whch I think was largely missing.
[19:55:31] <archivist> yup just thugs and thieves
[19:55:42] <archivist> and murderers
[19:56:15] <skunkworks> point taken. The US media sort of made it out as a bunch of unhappy kids
[19:56:40] <JT-Shop> that's why I never watch or believe anything they say
[19:56:54] <archivist> they need a whipping to show them unhappyness
[19:57:18] <skunkworks> that is why we listen to the bbc a lot.. (that is what wakes us up in the morning)
[19:57:29] <andypugh> How political were the Rodney King riots, really?
[19:58:14] * JT-Shop looks for a small tool room sized surface grinder on flea bay
[19:58:19] <Danimal_garage> just an escuse for me to get a new color tv
[19:58:26] <Danimal_garage> excuse
[19:58:34] <Danimal_garage> harig super 612
[19:58:53] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: crags list
[19:59:04] <Danimal_garage> yea, i got my harig on craigslist
[19:59:21] <Danimal_garage> for $300 with a nice mag chuck
[19:59:29] <andypugh> JT-Shop: I found one on eBay UK but that is probably of limited use.
[20:00:05] <Jymmm> I know this is WAY OFF TOPIC.... We all take $50 cordless phone for granted, not really considering what's all involved, but I do have to say this is a very impressive service manual (that I don't see even on more expensive items, much less a cordless phone)... orderpartstoday.com/shop/research_new/MSC/KXTG9343S.pdf
[20:00:38] <Danimal_garage> i've used many surface grinders and the harig super 612 has always been my favorite
[20:01:53] <JT-Shop> maybe craigs list in your areas
[20:02:19] <andypugh> Jymmm: Amazing for something on which no attempt will probably ever be attempted.
[20:02:39] <archivist> andypugh, the one near me at £26 ?
[20:02:47] <Jymmm> andypugh: I was even impressed witht he COLOR o'scope images
[20:03:09] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: are you looking for something local or shipping it in?
[20:03:17] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: yea, that is about the size I'm looking for
[20:03:30] <JT-Shop> prefer local < 250 miles
[20:03:55] <JT-Shop> http://www.clevelandmachinery.com/grdr/2477.htm
[20:04:03] <andypugh> No, a little one in Canterbury: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/surface-grinder-/130562103479
[20:04:20] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: they seem to have the best feel for me. I don't really feel hunched over like any imported ones i've used
[20:04:32] * Jymmm drove thru the LA Riots area frequently and saw the aftermath of burnt out shells
[20:04:59] <JT-Shop> I used to spend 8 hours a day latched onto a surface grinder
[20:05:05] <Danimal_garage> looks like it's missing the wheel gaurd, but otherwise, it's the exact same thing i have
[20:05:08] <JT-Shop> don't remember what brand
[20:05:17] <archivist> andypugh, there is a badly described abwood at a £1
[20:05:18] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: me too at times
[20:05:40] <JT-Shop> it had a self feeding Y and a flat belt drive for X
[20:05:48] <Danimal_garage> mine's a 1986
[20:06:08] <Danimal_garage> those are handy but overkill for most tool rooms
[20:06:08] <JT-Shop> each time X cycled it flipped a knob over that incremented the Y
[20:06:22] <JT-Shop> yea a simple one is all I'm looking for
[20:06:33] <Danimal_garage> that one doesnt have the teflon coated ways
[20:06:58] <Danimal_garage> that's actually just a regular 612, not a super 612
[20:07:07] <JT-Shop> http://cgi.ebay.com/HARIG-Super-612-6-x12-Surface-Grinder-/170654793164
[20:07:19] <andypugh> archivist: Nice thing, but I don't need it.
[20:07:55] <Danimal_garage> way too expensive JT-Shop
[20:08:18] <Danimal_garage> i can probably get you a decent grinder for about 600 but it would have to come from here
[20:08:33] <JT-Shop> wonder what shipping would be?
[20:08:48] <Danimal_garage> they're probably 1000lbs
[20:09:10] <Danimal_garage> but the grinder can be set down on a pallate next to the base
[20:09:40] <JT-Shop> that would make it ride better
[20:09:48] <JT-Shop> any with DRO's
[20:09:55] <Danimal_garage> the base is pretty heavy
[20:10:06] <Danimal_garage> maybe
[20:10:12] <Danimal_garage> not for that price i doubt
[20:10:42] <JT-Shop> http://cgi.ebay.com/HARIG-Super-612-6-x12-Surface-Grinder-/170654793164?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27bbd17dcc
[20:10:48] <Danimal_garage> my tool suplier sells used machinery
[20:10:59] <JT-Shop> I have a DRO I built for my lathe and have never installed it
[20:11:12] <JT-Shop> check with him if you get a chance if you don't mind
[20:11:41] <JT-Shop> http://cgi.ebay.com/Harig-Super-612-Hand-Feed-Surface-Grinder-Walker-Chuck-/320734756267?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aad47fdab
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[20:12:04] <Danimal_garage> i may see him this week
[20:12:08] <Danimal_garage> i know he has one
[20:12:25] <Danimal_garage> hold on i'll call him now
[20:14:37] <Danimal_garage> he's got a chineese one, that's about it
[20:14:39] <Danimal_garage> 6x12
[20:14:47] <Danimal_garage> he wants like 750 for it
[20:15:20] <Danimal_garage> i'd spend the extra and get a harig
[20:16:17] <frysteev> 6'x12'?
[20:16:36] <Danimal_garage> "
[20:17:31] <frysteev> boo
[20:19:25] <skunkworks> 6'X12' grinder for 750... ;)
[20:19:33] <Danimal_garage> ha
[20:19:53] <skunkworks> maybe with babot bearings...
[20:20:02] <skunkworks> and half in the ground.
[20:20:34] <andypugh> babot?
[20:20:36] <Danimal_garage> yea, "buyer must remove"
[20:21:13] <Danimal_garage> babbot is a lead-like material used as a bearing surface for older machines
[20:21:23] <Danimal_garage> my manual lathe has babbit bearings
[20:21:27] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Babbitt
[20:21:41] <skunkworks> babbitt - yes
[20:21:50] <andypugh> I wondered if "babot" was something different.
[20:21:59] <Danimal_garage> yea however you spell it... how would they know, they didn't have spell check back then
[20:22:09] <Danimal_garage> or wiki
[20:22:43] <andypugh> I spent saturday dismantling an engine which has melted its bearings for the third time in a year. This time they lasted 3 weeks.
[20:22:59] <skunkworks> our big manual lathe has babbitt bearings.. it is really wore out
[20:23:09] <skunkworks> andypugh: high power?
[20:23:21] <archivist> get the oil distribution right andypugh :)
[20:23:23] <andypugh> 60 hp. 9 litres
[20:23:35] <skunkworks> yikes
[20:23:54] <andypugh> Previous to this blow-up they lasted 20 years.
[20:23:54] <archivist> at the age it can just be bad design
[20:24:21] <Danimal_garage> skunkworks: mine's suprisingly healthy
[20:24:32] <archivist> mouse nest in the oil gallery?
[20:24:33] <Danimal_garage> it'll turn a pretty straight shaft
[20:24:47] <JT-Shop> Danimal_garage: I'm heading into town and thanks
[20:25:58] <Danimal_garage> no prob hope you find one
[20:26:00] <Danimal_garage> adios
[20:26:12] <skunkworks> Danimal_garage: we figure it is early 1900
[20:26:32] <Danimal_garage> same here
[20:26:55] <andypugh> The lubrication is a special kind of patented wierd. The oil pump feeds oil to no1 main under pressure. There is a groove in the bottom of No1, and 4 holes in the top. There is a cross-drilling in the No1 crank journal. Each hole leads to a pipe, which feeds oil to a trough in the top of the other mains. So, every rev, each of the other mains gets a brief squirt of oil. The excess overflows the troughs, runs into the sump wh
[20:26:55] <andypugh> scoops feed the big-ends. You will note that they hadn't yet got the idea of pressure-fed bearings.
[20:27:49] <Danimal_garage> lol
[20:28:00] <andypugh> <Wiki> Tabitha Babbitt invented the circular saw.
[20:28:20] <andypugh> She was a woodworking shaker.
[20:29:03] <Danimal_garage> great, you bumped some other useful bit of info out for that, thanks
[20:29:22] <Danimal_garage> i only have 256kb of storage up there
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[20:36:05] <Danimal_garage> keep it up and i'll ask even more questions about emc that you've answered 20 times already
[20:36:20] <Danimal_garage> :)
[20:36:37] <frysteev> has anyone made a module to make emc twitter the job status yet? :P
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[20:37:13] <Danimal_garage> the day that happens i switch to mach3
[20:37:39] <Jymmm> frysteev: No, it just texts you instead
[20:37:40] <frysteev> haha
[20:38:32] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: In that case, I'll start writing the module right now! (Just kidding)
[20:41:33] <Danimal_garage> ha
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[22:04:11] <JT-Shop> andypugh: too tight of a bearing fit for splash oiler?
[22:04:35] <Danimal_garage> good point
[22:05:20] <andypugh> The fact it worked fine for the last 20 years and 40,000 miles makes it seem like major changes might cause more problems than they solve.
[22:05:54] <JT-Shop> you still had the original bearing specs?
[22:06:00] <andypugh> Though the big ends are liable to lead to a pretty large degree of splash lubrication.
[22:06:26] <andypugh> Original? From 1916? No.
[22:07:17] <andypugh> It used to lose big-ends regularly through the 1950s, but then they sort of figured things out a bit better, and started using more appropriate oils.
[22:08:21] <JT-Shop> so new bearings are the same as used for the last 20 years?
[22:09:05] <andypugh> Yes, even made by the same little old man
[22:09:48] <andypugh> And they are not "new" as such, but re-metalled old ones. I think the actual bearing shells are original.
[22:12:39] <JT-Shop> interesting problem... I assume they checked the crank for roundness and plasticgauge clearances and checked flow through oil passages
[22:17:09] <JT-Shop> reminds me of Steve McQueen feeling the bearings on the San Pablo and telling the captain they have to stop and repair them
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[22:17:42] <Danimal_garage> lol
[22:17:48] <Danimal_garage> aging yourself
[22:19:06] <JT-Shop> ha, if you know what I'm talking about your in the same boat with me
[22:19:31] <andypugh> My dad had to interrupt their honeymoon to do a crank regrind (with a file and a 6" nail as a caliper)
[22:20:41] <DaViruz> and then he ate a lump of cold poison? ;)
[22:20:48] <andypugh> He was a fitter at the time, he spent a lot of time scraping bearings and casting white metal, so it wasn't as extreme an undertaking as it might sound. He was (and still is) good with a file,
[22:21:38] <DaViruz> i'm much too impatient to use a file
[22:21:52] <Danimal_garage> i did an emergency crankshaft repair after spinning a rod bearing in my civic
[22:22:11] <Danimal_garage> used a few files and some emery clotch with the crank still in the motor
[22:22:22] <Danimal_garage> ran until i found a new crank :)
[22:22:32] <Danimal_garage> cloth*
[22:23:18] <andypugh> This was much the same situation. He had managed to get hold of some undersize shells (the crank was damaged) so it was a case of making them fit.
[22:23:37] <Danimal_garage> i just ran that one a little loose
[22:23:51] <Danimal_garage> it was in one of my civics
[22:24:16] <Danimal_garage> i couldn't keep rod bearings in those things, i went through 4 between 2 cars
[22:24:29] <Danimal_garage> in less than a year each
[22:26:39] <Danimal_garage> i thought about changing the bearings in my van, 285k miles on it and the oil pressure is a little low at idle
[22:27:03] <Danimal_garage> but figured i'll just run it into the ground first then put in a forged crank and rods :)
[22:27:22] <JT-Shop> so the axle is ready for me to pick up
[22:27:58] <JT-Shop> I asked him if he had any cheap wheels to fit knowing he is putting an 8.8" axle back in that is 5 lug
[22:29:19] <Danimal_garage> he actually put the effort into swapping a v8 into a fox body?
[22:29:39] <Danimal_garage> i'm guessing it's a pretty straight notchback
[22:30:18] <Danimal_garage> otherwise he's nuts
[22:31:24] <JT-Shop> dunno
[22:31:50] <Danimal_garage> just guessing he's doing a v8 swap since he's putting in an 8.8
[22:32:11] <JT-Shop> he said something about a 30somthing he had to put in there
[22:32:12] <Danimal_garage> you know 8.8's are mostly 4 lug in mustangs, right?
[22:32:22] <JT-Shop> didn't know
[22:32:38] <Danimal_garage> 74-93 were all 4 lug
[22:32:48] <Danimal_garage> except for the svo's
[22:33:05] <Danimal_garage> 94+ were all 8.8's i believe
[22:33:09] <Danimal_garage> 5 lug
[22:33:58] <Danimal_garage> so unless he's putting in an axle from a 94+, it's a 4 lug
[22:34:58] <JT-Shop> he just offered me the control arms and driveshaft
[22:36:42] <Danimal_garage> no wheels, huh?
[22:36:58] <JT-Shop> he has not answered back yet
[22:37:24] <Danimal_garage> ah
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[22:39:24] <Danimal_garage> what a slow day
[22:39:47] <JT-Shop> you could be cleaning your shop :)
[22:40:19] <Danimal_garage> instead, i'm drinking a beer
[22:40:38] <Danimal_garage> i swiffered the livingroom, does that count for anything?
[22:41:36] <JT-Shop> sure that is good enough... have a beer on me
[22:41:52] <JT-Shop> I think I'll have another one too
[22:42:39] <Danimal_garage> yea, this is my second lol
[22:42:45] <Danimal_garage> it's not even 4 yet
[22:42:56] <Danimal_garage> i guess that's bad
[22:44:33] <Danimal_garage> i'm just making a bunch of the same parts, not really anything i can screw up
[22:45:40] <Danimal_garage> except my liver
[22:47:00] <JT-Shop> yea, what the hell sometimes I have a beer for lunch
[22:47:17] <Danimal_garage> haha same here
[22:47:22] <Danimal_garage> usually with a customer
[22:49:15] <Danimal_garage> cyclists are usually pretty much alcoholics
[22:49:28] <Danimal_garage> all the ones i know drink a lot
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[22:58:40] <Jymmm> Danimal_garage: Heh, you need to instal video cameras on their bikes that record the swirving =)
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[23:04:09] <A2Sheds> I wonder when they are going to start charging shnockered cyclists with RUI?
[23:05:59] <A2Sheds> Danimal_garage: what types of bikes are your gearsets for?
[23:07:07] <Danimal_garage> you can get a DUI on a bike
[23:07:19] <Danimal_garage> mostly mountain bikes
[23:11:53] <JT-Shop> no wheels so his 8.8 must be the same bolt pattern
[23:12:42] <Danimal_garage> yea, pretty likely
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[23:15:23] <andypugh> In the UK you can be charged with Drunk in Charge of a Bicycle (And also Furious Cycling)
[23:16:10] <JT-Shop> I think there is something about jumping your mule while intoxicated around here
[23:17:04] <JT-Shop> anyone want a glass of red while I'm up
[23:18:12] <andypugh> Aye, get me a pint of red. (wou;dn't wantyou getting up too frequently)
[23:18:14] <Danimal_garage> jumping your mule? haha
[23:18:30] <Danimal_garage> i think that's clasified as inter-species erotica
[23:18:39] <Danimal_garage> drunk or sober
[23:19:55] <Danimal_garage> furious cycling... i like it
[23:20:03] <Danimal_garage> what's the penalty?
[23:20:55] <andypugh> 2 years in gaol,
[23:21:11] <Danimal_garage> gaol? what's that?
[23:21:20] <Danimal_garage> jail?
[23:21:42] <andypugh> Yiou yanks and your odd spellings!
[23:22:22] <andypugh> The full offence is: causing bodily harm by wanton or furious cycling under the Offences Against the Person Act 1861
[23:22:24] <Danimal_garage> now you're just messing with me
[23:22:52] <Danimal_garage> what the hell is a wanton? isn't that an Asian soup?
[23:23:03] <andypugh> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/gaol
[23:23:18] <andypugh> A wanton would be a slattern, generically,
[23:24:39] <Danimal_garage> a slattern is a?
[23:24:41] <JT-Shop> you put a blanket over a wire fence and the mule gets up close and parallel to the fence and jumps over
[23:25:20] <Danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i can understand how that could be dangerous
[23:25:42] <Danimal_garage> the mule jumps over the fence sideways?
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[23:26:51] <JT-Shop> yes
[23:27:03] <JT-Shop> the most amazing thing to see
[23:27:42] <andypugh> Youtube or it never happened
[23:27:43] <Danimal_garage> wow
[23:27:47] <Danimal_garage> exactly
[23:27:50] <Danimal_garage> youtube
[23:28:15] <JT-Shop> this one goes straight over a 6' fence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFgFSCVdHiA&feature=fvsr
[23:32:43] <Danimal_garage> that's perpendicular
[23:32:49] <Danimal_garage> not parellel
[23:32:57] <Tom_itx> details
[23:33:11] <JT-Shop> yea I don't see one that stands next to the fence and hops over
[23:33:12] <Danimal_garage> big difference!
[23:33:13] * Tom_itx gives Danimal_garage another beer
[23:33:17] <FinboySlick> Tom_itx: Yeah, who's going to argue about 90 measly degrees ;)
[23:33:32] <Danimal_garage> or is it 270 degrees?
[23:33:46] <JT-Shop> depends on your point of view :)
[23:33:48] <FinboySlick> Danimal_garage: Only if you take the scenic route.
[23:33:57] <JT-Shop> rednecks must not have a video camera
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[23:34:48] <JT-Shop> might have been a trick mule I saw
[23:35:19] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6rlTnAFjIg
[23:37:17] <Danimal_garage> you can't blink or you're gunna miss romeo
[23:37:31] <JT-Shop> i might have been drunk at the time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Q14GfTVbY
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[23:40:15] <Danimal_garage> great, my computer is locking up
[23:40:37] <Tom_itx> maybe it knows it's nearly 5 oclock
[23:40:50] <Tom_itx> and doesn't wanna work overtime
[23:41:19] <JT-Shop> I don't have overtime... I work allthetime
[23:41:26] <JT-Shop> and anytime
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[23:42:00] <Danimal_garage> same here
[23:42:00] <FinboySlick> AVG has detected union.32.
[23:42:09] <FinboySlick> ;)
[23:42:11] <JT-Shop> I've spent the last hour looking for the little white dodads that hold the zip ties
[23:44:17] <Danimal_garage> lol
[23:44:43] * JT-Shop gives up and goes in to dice up some spuds and onions for a side dish on kamikaze gourmet night
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[23:48:24] <Danimal_garage> goodnight!
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