#emc | Logs for 2011-07-29

[00:01:00] <andypugh> IG-garage: Does it, perhaps, monitor spindle power and adjust feed accordingly? Or is it something done in CAM whereby the volume of metal being removed at any one time is actually calculated?
[00:01:44] <IG-garage> andypugh: well, I see it as operation in CAM software HeeksCNC http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/wiki/AdaptiveRoughing
[00:02:15] <IG-garage> i just stuck in all these types of operations, need to learn it more quickly
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[00:03:33] <andypugh> It looks to be using constant volume cutting, possibly trying to always be in climb mode. It looks pretty cool.
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[00:09:54] <IG-garage> hah, how do you know? I mean I have read the page ...almost
[00:10:17] <andypugh> It's mainly a guess.
[00:14:47] <IG-garage> may i ask how to get source code from github.com having the link?
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[00:15:29] <andypugh> I am not sure.
[00:16:14] <andypugh> Is this any help? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Getting_the_source_with_git
[00:17:13] <IG-garage> thanks
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[00:26:23] <IG-garage> thanks again, using it already.
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[01:04:26] <danimal_garage> sweet, they want the lathe
[01:05:08] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Is that because they bid on it by chance?
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[01:06:38] <danimal_garage> no, he came and looked at it
[01:06:47] <danimal_garage> he said it was one of the best he's seen
[01:07:01] <danimal_garage> as far as the condition
[01:07:15] <Jymmm> cool, from ebay?
[01:07:17] <danimal_garage> he's going to get his truck
[01:07:20] <danimal_garage> craigslist
[01:07:27] <Jymmm> Ah, yeah.
[01:07:34] <danimal_garage> posted it last night, it sold today
[01:07:42] <Jymmm> CL has been fscking with me lately
[01:07:58] <Jymmm> the whole phoen auth thing.
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[01:08:09] <danimal_garage> phone auth?
[01:08:18] <danimal_garage> what's that?
[01:08:58] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Yeah, if you start posting alot, you will get to a point that they want to verify your phone number to make sure you're not just spamming
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[01:09:10] <danimal_garage> huh weird
[01:09:17] <danimal_garage> i post all the time
[01:09:31] <Jymmm> they get a LOT of auto-bot spam posts
[01:09:34] <danimal_garage> maybe it's just in the m4m section
[01:09:51] <Jymmm> It's all categories
[01:10:12] <danimal_garage> weirdness
[01:10:31] <danimal_garage> ok, off to fry's for me, ttyl
[01:11:00] <Jymmm> laters
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[01:25:34] <IG-garage> laters, bro
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[01:47:14] <elmo40> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiVROeDzbzw
[01:47:50] <elmo40> that guy should add a dust collector ;)
[01:48:56] <Tom_itx> or open the window
[01:49:45] <elmo40> I like how simple his tool probe is ;)
[01:50:01] <Tom_itx> didn't see that yet
[01:50:18] <elmo40> there is one at 7:15'ish
[01:50:23] <Tom_itx> no sound here either
[01:50:35] <elmo40> it is quiet.
[01:50:39] <elmo40> I hear stuff
[01:50:47] <Tom_itx> good, i know what routers sound like
[01:51:18] <Tom_itx> i need to work on my probe some more
[01:51:34] <Tom_itx> i did finally get the adjuster screws on it
[01:51:35] <elmo40> no sound during fast forward, though
[01:52:49] <Tom_itx> the tool is dull
[01:53:04] <elmo40> for sure. rough edges and burnt spots all over
[01:53:25] <elmo40> blah, he uses mach3 :P just saw the monitor.
[01:53:30] <Tom_itx> hah
[01:54:22] <Tom_itx> i'm using my old flashcut controller until i can get my mesa boards mounted in a box and finish my psu and get some gecko drivers
[01:54:38] <Tom_itx> i've tested most of it though
[01:56:28] <elmo40> I made new z-brackets at work. need to assemble it now... just too hot and sticky to do anything
[01:56:43] <Tom_itx> yup
[01:56:59] <Tom_itx> if it weren't i'd be out working on the probe
[01:57:20] <IG-garage> what, hot temperature?
[01:57:25] <Tom_itx> 100f + temps for weeks now
[01:57:32] <Tom_itx> yesterday was 111f
[01:57:33] <IG-garage> it was cold this night, used woolen socks at home
[01:57:57] <IG-garage> 111 f is something like 35 C
[01:58:00] <elmo40> when the z works I hope to add a probe. simple current probe. have it touch a piece of metal and send a trigger through the parallel (need to read up on how to set that up...) just like that kids vid @7:15
[01:58:04] <Tom_itx> 43 or more
[01:58:09] <IG-garage> oh...
[01:58:22] <IG-garage> we also have such temperature sometimes...
[01:59:30] <Tom_itx> it's only 99f at 9 pm
[01:59:51] <elmo40> his later vids show metal supports. looks like MDF only goes so far :P
[02:01:32] <elmo40> some english later on, but mainly estonian or finish http://www.diy600.net/
[02:01:41] <elmo40> not a bad looking machine, actually
[02:03:52] <elmo40> is it just me, the angle, or his machine... but it looks like the entire router wobbles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_I9ojAqvEs
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[02:07:00] <elmo40> I was right. he did add brackets for rigidity: http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:9721
[02:08:04] <Valen> elmo40: your seeing an artifact of the camera
[02:08:23] <Valen> its frame rate isnt synched to vsync
[02:08:29] <elmo40> shutter speed with high travel back and forth causing those effects?
[02:08:48] <Valen> its moving as its taking the "frame"
[02:09:00] <Valen> so as it scans down the screen the thing moves
[02:09:07] <Valen> looks weird
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[02:09:43] <Valen> bet he wont use flood coolant
[02:10:12] <elmo40> it is all wood frame construction
[02:10:21] <elmo40> mdf + water = soup :P
[02:12:49] <Jymmm> elmo40: The start cap is loosly mounted and shaking around plus the reflection in the material is giving it that vibrate illusion
[02:13:45] <Jymmm> elmo40: mdf + 4 coats of PU == stew
[02:13:59] <elmo40> still, the finish is not the best. not sure if this was before or after he added brackets
[02:14:20] <Jymmm> he's using a 18000 RPM spindle
[02:14:23] <elmo40> did you add onions to that stew? ;)
[02:14:34] <Jymmm> and garlic!!!
[02:14:34] <L84Supper> that jig does the jig
[02:14:46] <elmo40> we use 15-25000RPM at work. only difference is rigidity
[02:15:06] <Jymmm> elmo40: for alu?
[02:15:14] <Tom_itx> yup
[02:15:28] <elmo40> sure. why not?
[02:15:30] <Jymmm> really?
[02:15:37] <Tom_itx> you cut honeycomb at those speeds?
[02:15:40] <elmo40> removes tonnes of material really fast
[02:15:55] <Tom_itx> stick a carbide cutter in the spindle and turn it loose
[02:16:19] <elmo40> we have a 1" insert cutter from Iscar, rated for 25,000RPM. we push it to the max :) sounds like a damn router on steroids!
[02:16:31] <Jymmm> Hmmm, musta been the al I was trying to engrave once then
[02:16:57] <Jymmm> it engraved, but looked liek shit
[02:17:32] <elmo40> prob. we were cutting 7075 and 7050
[02:17:41] <elmo40> aircraft parts
[02:17:55] <elmo40> some 7150
[02:17:56] <Tom_itx> 7075 cuts good
[02:18:02] <Jymmm> this was some scrap plate I got my hands on, who knows what it is
[02:18:06] <Tom_itx> 6061 does too
[02:18:37] <elmo40> if 6061 has T6 it cuts good. withought that heat treat it is like rubber
[02:18:39] <Jymmm> does alu come in surface hardened?
[02:18:47] <elmo40> anodized?
[02:18:57] <Jymmm> I don't *think* so
[02:19:00] <elmo40> but the oxide is harder
[02:19:12] <Jymmm> could have been oxidized too
[02:19:16] <elmo40> so the outside would be
[02:19:35] <elmo40> kinda like cast iron. get past the first little bit and it is like butter
[02:19:46] <Jymmm> Yeah, I was only trying to engrave like .015" deep
[02:20:05] <Jymmm> maybe 0.020"
[02:20:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/pendant8.jpg
[02:20:27] <Tom_itx> i used a spot drill for that
[02:20:35] <Tom_itx> i didn't have the right cutterr
[02:20:50] <Tom_itx> i need to make one
[02:21:04] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: For some reason I expected a more creative pendant design from you
[02:21:11] <Tom_itx> i had one
[02:21:21] <Tom_itx> but i found that extruded box at the surplus
[02:21:28] <Jymmm> ah, gotcha
[02:21:56] <Tom_itx> i'll likely make another one before i'm satisfied
[02:21:59] <elmo40> you mean you didn't hog out a solid billet for your pendant? ;)
[02:22:09] <Tom_itx> elmo40, i had plans to
[02:22:20] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Make it one-handed
[02:22:25] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/pendant5.jpg
[02:22:34] <elmo40> nice
[02:22:36] <Jymmm> some star trek thingy like looking thing
[02:22:48] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/pendant7.jpg
[02:22:49] <elmo40> I want mine with a DRO
[02:23:09] <Tom_itx> i figured i wouldn't be looking at it much anyway
[02:23:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/jasonlan/WindowsLiveWriter/HandHeldDolphin7850_FED2/image.png
[02:23:38] <Tom_itx> i got used to 'feeling' the mpg on the bigger machines without looking
[02:24:03] <elmo40> Tom_itx: how well does the probe work?
[02:24:10] <Tom_itx> it doesn't yet
[02:24:25] <Jymmm> http://www.searchamateur.com/Horse-Games-Online/electronic-horse-racing-handheld-game.jpg
[02:24:40] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/probe_index.php
[02:24:43] <elmo40> Tom_itx: is that how Renishaw make theirs? with 3 pins and contact points?
[02:24:51] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure
[02:24:56] <Tom_itx> i've never had one apart
[02:25:13] <Tom_itx> i need to remake a piece on mine
[02:25:21] <elmo40> what is Machine.exe?
[02:25:25] <Tom_itx> i need a better way to make it
[02:25:28] <Tom_itx> oh
[02:25:32] <Tom_itx> a calculator
[02:25:36] <Tom_itx> grab it if you want
[02:25:38] <Tom_itx> winders
[02:26:14] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Oh, I saw that probe design a few years back
[02:26:19] <elmo40> lol... gotta love the Chinglish! http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/GG_photo_paper.jpg
[02:26:26] <elmo40> I didn't know paper was difficult to use!
[02:27:01] <Tom_itx> an aussie friend sent me that
[02:27:39] <Tom_itx> http://www.machinistsfriend.com/
[02:27:43] <Tom_itx> that's the machine.exe
[02:28:19] <Tom_itx> i don't remember getting it
[02:28:30] <Tom_itx> it must have come with my cad cam software or something
[02:28:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: HERE YA GO.... http://www.gizmag.com/go/4752/
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[02:34:41] <Tom_itx> didn't load
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[03:42:22] <Jymmm> In 3D printers, how is the medium typically 'layered" after each pass? Does the part move down? Is more medium added and swept over? Something else?
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[03:45:22] <IG-garage> this probably could be seen on videos of this printers at work. this tube which ejects the plastic seems moves up after each layer
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[03:51:36] <Jymmm> watch, but look at about 3:00 mark... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZboxMsSz5Aw
[03:52:35] <IG-garage> lets see
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[03:56:43] <IG-garage> so it uses several lasers which meet in one point and make the powder to become solid <-- maybe
[03:57:16] <IG-garage> in other videos, other printers do as I have said above
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[03:59:06] <IG-garage> It's funny how much of familiar to well-trained professional work is hidden between the scan and any worth 3D model of the wrench at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvfqoaCw5vQ&feature=watch_response
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[04:03:06] <L84Supper> http://www.gizmag.com/n12-3d-printed-bikini/18869/ girl not included
[04:03:30] <IG-garage> oh yeah
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[04:05:05] * IG-garage thinks how simpler life is when he (user, not programmer) has remembered how to use Linux (after several years of MS Windows on his computer) and renewed his skills in English language.
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[04:10:58] <IG-garage> It's ***Lyx*** assists in creation of documentation for EMC when you compile it from source.
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[04:12:48] <IG-garage> it was question x.x
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[04:26:09] <psha[work]> IG-garage: it's not true, lyx is removed in 2.5
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[04:41:59] <IG-garage> and, psha[work]
[04:42:20] <IG-garage> psha[work]: explain me how to build dependencies for any random tarball, please
[04:42:57] <IG-garage> psha[work]: with what linux stuff do I build the documentation then?
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[04:52:59] <psha[work]> for any random tarball - install random packages and they'll satisfy random deps
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[05:20:44] <IG-garage> psha[work]: ?
[05:28:49] <psha[work]> i mean there is no predefined way to sutisfy deps for 'random' tarball
[05:29:56] <IG-garage> ah, ok
[05:30:39] <IG-garage> i remembered i earlier compiled pythin2.5 in /dev/shm to not use writes to hdd
[05:30:51] <IG-garage> to install EMC
[05:30:58] <IG-garage> it was three years ago
[05:31:51] <IG-garage> psha[work]: but '--enable-documentation' is only works when e.g Lyx installed into the system?
[05:32:04] <psha[work]> depends on version
[05:32:08] <psha[work]> for 2.4 - yes, for 2.5 - no
[05:32:12] <IG-garage> and?
[05:32:28] <IG-garage> what do I need install to compile it?
[05:33:05] <IG-garage> ah, I have 2.4.4 or so version of EMC right now.
[05:33:22] <psha[work]> do you need it?
[05:33:34] <IG-garage> well, for offline computer - yes
[05:33:40] <psha[work]> install emc2-doc package
[05:34:16] <IG-garage> i didn't deb "http:// . . . emc2-xx" anything, only have a tarball
[05:34:35] <psha[work]> emc2 deb is much smaller then build deps
[05:35:32] <psha[work]> lyx deps may weight up to ~45Mb
[05:36:42] <psha[work]> emc2-doc-en (from buildbot) is only ~7Mb
[05:37:49] <IG-garage> they weight 440 or so inmy system ()already have 700 mb)
[05:38:26] <IG-garage> "Need to get 449 MB of archives."
[05:38:43] <IG-garage> hah, powerful linux! as my male organ!
[05:42:17] <psha[work]> i've told you that building everything yourself is usually not bright idea
[05:45:05] <IG-garage> yeah
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[07:28:17] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[07:28:26] <awallin> hi
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[07:30:54] <awallin> more lightning, thunder, and rain promised for today...
[07:35:22] <Loetmichel> awallin: so what... are you made of sugar? (melting in the rain ;-)
[07:35:46] <awallin> yeah... dissolving that is...
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[07:37:16] * Loetmichel was raised in a region in germany with the second most rain days in europe. rumor has it that the Wuppertal residents are born with swim webbing between the fingers and a umbrella in hand ;-)
[07:37:30] <Loetmichel> +n
[07:39:04] <psha[work]> we've got nice rait yesterday - some streets were a bit flooded
[07:39:20] <psha[work]> was fun driving through ~10cm layer of water :)
[07:40:13] <Loetmichel> like an ex-boss said to som english visitors, asked if it rains there always like this (it was raining cats and dogs) "Rain? Thats just high ait humidity. RAIN is if you cant see your hands 50cm in front of your eyes!" ;-)
[07:40:30] <Loetmichel> s/ait/air
[07:41:17] <Loetmichel> the face og the Visitors: priceless ;-)
[07:41:20] <Loetmichel> of
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[08:16:37] <IG-garage> psha[work]: what did you drive?
[08:17:22] <Jymmm> me crazy
[08:18:50] <IG-garage> When I made my Ural motorcycle, I had driven it in water which was above cylinders (spark plugs had tight rubber caps from car). So, it worked well, but engine stopped at huge bumps because there was way too much of oil in the air filter.
[08:19:36] <IG-garage> Opposite engine, as of BMW motorcycles.
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[08:28:03] <nicko> ello all
[08:28:13] <nicko> do you think this image here: http://smallbiztrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/penguin-directors.jpg
[08:28:45] <nicko> would be a better fit for the image used here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/12/10/lang,english/
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[08:32:27] <IG-garage> page reveals the names
[08:33:54] <IG-garage> And the only ones who really love Enhanced Machine Controller can derive the names in its full of love work with it. This is the way of electronic MC.
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[08:40:32] <IG-garage> 'The router of condemned but still sinning.' chapter 02, verse 244.
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[10:28:14] <elmo40> potential parts: http://www.thomsonlinear.com/website/com/eng/index.php
[10:28:21] <elmo40> they look expensive
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[11:10:39] <archivist> elmo40, shiny if seen up close, I got a ball screw off ebay not used it yet
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[12:16:32] <Tom_itx> elmo40 http://www.pbclinear.com/
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[16:13:25] <jtektool> anybody know a gcode to home machine (search for home switch) g28 doesnt work for me
[16:15:23] <jtektool> so ive just been homing manually between parts cuz im getting better results
[16:16:22] <cradek> you can not home the machine from gcode
[16:16:40] <cradek> also, you should fix the problem with your machine losing position
[16:17:14] <jtektool> well its a back lash thing
[16:17:25] <jtektool> need a new ballscrew
[16:18:05] <jtektool> but im getting really good results tested against glass scale
[16:18:05] <cpresser> you could do something with M100-commands. and in that M100-script do something like "halcmd setp halui.joint.0.home 1"
[16:18:16] <cpresser> but thats an ungly hack
[16:18:22] <cradek> and also won't work
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[16:18:54] <jtektool> <<<good results homing within .0002 of glass scale which happens to be the tolerance of the glass scale
[16:18:59] <jtektool> so homing is dead on
[16:19:21] <cpresser> right, homing might not work when in MDI or auto mode :)
[16:19:35] <jtektool> so manually it is i guess
[16:19:53] <jtektool> no big deal just trying to dumb it down for the operator
[16:20:21] <jtektool> I just home everytime but notice the operator doesnt
[16:21:12] <cpresser> put a G53 G0 X0 Y0 Z0 at the end of your gcode; so the homing sequence is quite fast;
[16:21:12] <jtektool> and we're actually running three parts at a time
[16:21:24] <jtektool> good call
[16:21:57] <danimal_garage> morning
[16:22:09] <jtektool> afternoon here in eastern
[16:22:26] <jtektool> thanks again guys
[16:22:32] <danimal_garage> it's 9:22am here
[16:23:15] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop: the lathe is sold!
[16:28:03] <JT-Shop> Dan Cool!
[16:28:21] <danimal_garage> he was stoked on it
[16:28:55] <JT-Shop> more room now
[16:28:57] <danimal_garage> now i just gotta get rid of a drill press and a band saw
[16:29:15] <danimal_garage> haha, na, it was outside, wasn't in my way
[16:29:44] <JT-Shop> that's right you guys can leave stuff outside in the desert
[16:29:48] <danimal_garage> yea
[16:29:56] <danimal_garage> all my woodworking tools are outside
[16:30:14] <danimal_garage> table saw, router table, radial arm saw, etc
[16:30:26] <JT-Shop> a little brush work and I'm done with priming :)
[16:30:43] <danimal_garage> haha then 3 more weeks and the paint will be done?
[16:31:19] <danimal_garage> they're under my patio's roof though
[16:31:21] <JT-Shop> well it won't be this weekend for sure, a group of us are riding the bikes to Memphis for the weekend
[16:31:24] <Jymmm> dessert?
[16:31:30] <Jymmm> desert?
[16:31:39] <L84Supper> has anyone integrated a camera to align the part to the machine using Fiducials?
[16:31:59] <danimal_garage> that should be a good ride
[16:32:12] <danimal_garage> do you follow ama superbike racing at all?
[16:32:16] <JT-Shop> I think we are going to get wet
[16:32:21] <JT-Shop> me? no
[16:32:39] <danimal_garage> can you even get wet on a goldwing when it's moving?
[16:32:55] <JT-Shop> L84Supper: there was some talk on the forum about using cameras...
[16:33:07] <danimal_garage> i'm coastal desert....
[16:33:17] <cpresser> L84Supper: psha was doing something with cameras, openvc and emc2
[16:33:18] <Loetmichel> danimal_garage: i doubt it
[16:33:26] <JT-Shop> LOL, yea it comes over the top of the windshield and drops down to about face level then flies into your face
[16:33:41] <danimal_garage> you don't wear a full face helmet?
[16:33:48] <JT-Shop> no
[16:33:58] <danimal_garage> for shame!
[16:34:21] <JT-Shop> it would get in the way when I'm drinking coffee
[16:34:25] <danimal_garage> i've crashed too many times to not wear one
[16:34:29] * Loetmichel has weared a "jet" helmet too, in his scooter-times :-)
[16:34:40] <danimal_garage> i usually wear full leathers
[16:34:42] <Loetmichel> JT-Shop: smoking
[16:34:49] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:35:12] <danimal_garage> you know what's sad? your goldwing probably has more cupholders than my car
[16:35:20] * Loetmichel had an accident on a tuned BMW K100
[16:35:29] <Loetmichel> long time ago
[16:35:40] <JT-Shop> I actually had to add one on the handlebar
[16:35:47] <Loetmichel> and praised the fact that i had weared full racing "leather"
[16:35:52] <danimal_garage> my car has 1
[16:36:02] <danimal_garage> and it gets in the way of the shifter
[16:36:18] <danimal_garage> a hard shift into second will get you a lap full of coke
[16:36:21] <Loetmichel> 140km -> 2by4 on the street -> Free flight
[16:36:25] <Loetmichel> 140kmh
[16:36:26] * JT-Shop has a little brush work to do...
[16:37:05] <Loetmichel> i had flown about 50 meters and than slided about 80 meters...
[16:37:26] <Loetmichel> after i got up all of the glide rivets were glowing red.
[16:37:45] <Loetmichel> but not a single bone broken, only blue and black skin ;-)
[16:37:48] <JT-Shop> I never go over 180kmh when drinking coffee
[16:38:58] <Loetmichel> hihi, i know what you mean
[16:39:09] <Loetmichel> the bmw had a top speed of 290kmh
[16:39:46] <Loetmichel> but at 230kmh the windshield (made out of 8mm thick PC) bends down about 10cm
[16:39:52] <Loetmichel> scaring view ;-)
[16:41:08] <Loetmichel> and a engine revving at about 9000 rpm :)
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[16:44:01] <anonimasu> hehe, your goldwing has more space for passengers then my car :D
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[16:45:01] <anonimasu> tomorrow we'll celebrate nikola tesla in my garage.
[16:45:05] <Loetmichel> ... but the look of the zzr-pilots, glued to their tank, when you overtake them at 250kmh sitting upright and having a smoke... priceless ;-)
[16:45:30] <anonimasu> testing the servo drives :D
[16:45:48] <anonimasu> I need to figure out how to discharge my psu caps.
[16:46:07] <Loetmichel> put a resistor over the therminals
[16:46:18] <anonimasu> where can i find a 400v capable resistor in a saturday
[16:46:19] <anonimasu> :D
[16:46:26] <anonimasu> i north sweden
[16:46:27] <anonimasu> in..
[16:46:30] * Loetmichel had taken a 230V halogen lamp fot that
[16:46:39] <Loetmichel> for
[16:47:30] <anonimasu> well, im not worried i have a shutoff between psu and outside so I can stick a discharge resistor there afterwards
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[16:49:24] <Loetmichel> get a 230V gu10 reflector lamp
[16:49:40] <Loetmichel> should be convenient to put on the terminals ;-)
[16:53:01] <Loetmichel> i've used one of these in my times: http://www.envirel.de/Leuchtmittel/Halogen-Sockel-GY-95/Halogenlampe-1000W-230V-Sockel-G95::5864.html
[16:53:26] <Loetmichel> will flash BRIGHT and then glow down in about 3 sec
[16:53:34] <Loetmichel> and the capacitors are empty ;-)
[16:53:54] <Loetmichel> (plus: you get that warm feeling in the hand ;-)
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[16:57:07] <sgodsell> okay does emc or emc2 have to have a rt kernel?
[16:57:44] <Loetmichel> naturally ;-)
[16:58:15] <sgodsell> does it have to use the stuff on rtai.org?
[16:58:25] <Loetmichel> i think so
[16:58:44] <sgodsell> okay but the kernel patches on there are so out of date
[16:58:50] <sgodsell> I am using fedora 15
[16:59:59] <sgodsell> and the x86_64 patches go up to 2.6.23 and for x86 2.6.32
[17:00:53] <Loetmichel> sgodsell: why are you making it so complicated and dont use the liveCD?
[17:01:11] <Loetmichel> the CNC controller sould have a dedicatet machine
[17:01:24] <Loetmichel> so the OS is more or less irrelevant
[17:01:34] <anonimasu> sgodsell: in general it's worth it to run the live cd and just accept how it is, and if you want bleeding edge stuff download the newest emc from git
[17:01:57] <sgodsell> is that the ubuntu live cd?
[17:01:59] <anonimasu> sgodsell: not much around with bleeding edge unproven stuff, because you want your machine to be 100% reliable
[17:02:08] <Loetmichel> sgodsell: yes
[17:02:13] <anonimasu> so if you press a emergency stop it'll really stop :)
[17:02:21] <sgodsell> ok, I guess I could download it and try it
[17:02:32] <anonimasu> if you dont have it hardwired up anyway.. :)
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[17:06:19] <JT-Shop> priming done!
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[17:06:55] <danimal_garage> sweet!
[17:08:10] <danimal_garage> one of these days i have to finish insulating and drywalling my garage
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[17:09:39] <JT-Shop> I keep saying the same thing
[17:10:07] <JT-Shop> I did get the insulation finally done in the garage the other day
[17:10:51] <danimal_garage> nice
[17:11:00] <danimal_garage> is your shop open to the garage?
[17:11:12] <danimal_garage> or is there just a doorway?
[17:11:18] <JT-Shop> no, there is a man door between the two
[17:11:43] <danimal_garage> should be fun shuffling the machines around
[17:11:47] <JT-Shop> the new LG AC works nice and keeps the garage at 72F easy
[17:11:51] <danimal_garage> renting a forklift?
[17:12:04] <JT-Shop> LOL, they go out the garage door and into the shop door
[17:12:15] <JT-Shop> no, I'll drag them with my backhoe
[17:12:21] <JT-Shop> drag/push
[17:12:30] <danimal_garage> lol nice
[17:13:18] <JT-Shop> it's only about 10-15' on the gravel, the rest is on concrete so the rollers work there
[17:13:47] <IG-garage> JT-Shop: How do you heat up the shop? Any special stuff in walls is used? I heard of some fire-resistant pressurized bricks hay, when looked TV program about ecological houses.
[17:14:11] <JT-Shop> I use wood heat for both shop and garage
[17:14:22] <IG-garage> burn wood?
[17:14:48] <JT-Shop> yes
[17:14:56] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: what is the price of a Qubic meter of wood
[17:15:01] <JT-Shop> free
[17:15:17] <IchGuckLive> so you harvest your own
[17:15:30] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/inside/inside-01.xhtml
[17:15:33] <JT-Shop> yes
[17:15:39] <IG-garage> i also plan to burn wood and some pieces of coal in the garage, once a week maybe, to keep it relatively warm in winter.
[17:15:42] <IchGuckLive> but there is a offical price anyway around you
[17:15:55] <JT-Shop> I live in the middle of a hardwood forest so when they die I cut them up for firewood
[17:16:11] <IG-garage> JT-Shop: and who is slicing the wood to desks?
[17:16:26] <IchGuckLive> dont they sell ready made woodpackets
[17:16:30] <JT-Shop> the price is how much the seller can get from the buyer
[17:16:52] <IchGuckLive> here its 56Euros fpr 1m³
[17:16:53] <JT-Shop> you can see the heater in the photo on the right side
[17:17:40] <IchGuckLive> and around 12 if you haevest your own
[17:17:54] <JT-Shop> the official unit for firewood here is cord but sellers never use it instead they use made up terms like face cord, rack, rick, stack, pile, truck load etc
[17:18:13] <JT-Shop> on and rank
[17:18:14] <IG-garage> here's about USD 75, sliced to desks
[17:18:28] <JT-Shop> desks?
[17:18:35] <IchGuckLive> 30cm
[17:18:48] <IchGuckLive> oven ready
[17:19:05] <IchGuckLive> also here
[17:19:07] <IG-garage> JT-Shop: i also has a heater, but it isn't installed into the garage yet, it's almost of the same size.
[17:19:10] <JT-Shop> do you mean split wood?
[17:19:19] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:19:22] <JT-Shop> ah, ok
[17:19:23] <IchGuckLive> jt-s
[17:19:50] <JT-Shop> I split the wood myself
[17:20:00] <JT-Shop> double blade axe
[17:20:17] <IG-garage> JT-Shop: i meant **laths, sorry, tired from the montor to use dictionary
[17:20:20] <IchGuckLive> i also got a truck load from chech republik 28m³ meter for 29Euros per m³ 12meter long
[17:21:20] <JT-Shop> did you see the truss crane I built?
[17:22:08] <IchGuckLive> yes
[17:22:24] <IG-garage> i hawe sawed about 2 meters cubed of tree branches when they cut some trees in the town. Have stored it in the ambar, in the town (in front of my block of flats).
[17:22:27] <JT-Shop> I don't know what to do with it now :/
[17:22:31] <IchGuckLive> we got this http://www.hwg-tec.de/media/images/ssa310evolution-medium-2.jpg
[17:23:04] <JT-Shop> I'm guessing it is faster than an axe
[17:23:04] <IchGuckLive> in smaler version -> http://www.holzgibtgas.com/holzgas/Brennholzautomat.jpg
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[17:23:21] <IG-garage> you need small telfer maybe
[17:23:43] <IchGuckLive> http://www.eifelbrennholz.eu/cms15/images/stories/12-Teile.JPG
[17:24:00] <IchGuckLive> 12 slices in 1 Stroke
[17:24:27] <JT-Shop> yea, I've seen them before, neat if you need lots of wood
[17:24:31] <IG-garage> i used handsaw and it was truly a sexy workout, lol!
[17:25:08] <IchGuckLive> IG-garage: not if you ned 200 Qubicmeter or more a Jear
[17:25:35] <IG-garage> for the grannies from another block of flats. Oh these old potatoes have surely grabbed they peace of the pure sex :)
[17:25:45] <IG-garage> IchGuckLive: yeah.
[17:26:01] <Loetmichel> [19:20:06] <JT-Shop> I split the wood myself <- very relaxing task
[17:26:16] <IchGuckLive> im living in the largest forest of Germany and here the wood is more expensicve then a 1200km Jerney
[17:26:20] <Loetmichel> but i used a "spalthammer" for splitting
[17:26:45] <IchGuckLive> Loetmichel: das geht ab Fiskass
[17:26:48] * JT-Shop wanders inside for a nap now
[17:26:55] <Loetmichel> yes
[17:27:04] <Loetmichel> fiskars
[17:27:18] <IG-garage> IchGuckLive: try to save the trees, try to use dry branches
[17:27:39] * anonimasu sighs
[17:27:57] <syyl_> save trees, eat more beavers...
[17:28:03] <IG-garage> anonimasu: hello, friend with a hint
[17:28:10] <anonimasu> hello :)
[17:28:10] <IchGuckLive> here they calculate 2.5m³ per minite of growing alone in the reagen
[17:28:12] <anonimasu> what's up?
[17:28:20] <Loetmichel> IG-garage: much to much work
[17:28:58] <Loetmichel> and there are MORE than enough dead or ill trees in a forest to supply a lot of houses with firewood
[17:29:31] <IG-garage> anonimasu: how much time does it takes at you to make, say, g-code for lathe from the drawing (e.g. DXF with dimensions and such) of some simple shaft? I would say I will have spent about an hour, how is it?
[17:29:41] <anonimasu> that
[17:29:44] <IG-garage> Loetmichel: what do you mean?
[17:29:47] <anonimasu> got a example picture?
[17:30:32] <Loetmichel> IG-garage: that a forest which is planted rather than wild HAVE to have cut out from time to time
[17:30:42] <Loetmichel> or it will suffocate itself
[17:31:08] <Loetmichel> so no need to "save the treees"
[17:31:15] <IchGuckLive> yes harvesters al over with 800-1000 trees per shift
[17:31:35] <anonimasu> IG-garage: how many dimension's and how many critical?
[17:32:19] <IG-garage> anonimasu: well, at, par exampleure, those my videos, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4I2ICC6PLI
[17:32:37] <IG-garage> ;) heh, my has bad french
[17:32:54] <IG-garage> could be no, could be nice
[17:33:08] <anonimasu> i'd say that usually with mastercam most parts take about 10-15 minutes
[17:33:17] <anonimasu> for the mill
[17:33:23] <IG-garage> well, this one has taken less time than a hour...
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[17:33:26] <anonimasu> lathe should take less
[17:33:35] <IG-garage> uhu, thank you, ok
[17:33:47] <anonimasu> i'd say you should get down to 20 minutes of programming time
[17:34:05] <anonimasu> 30 minutes setting up if you need to load new tools and then have the machine running
[17:34:10] <IG-garage> anonimasu: but what the boss say? How does he understand your work is quite quick?
[17:35:30] <anonimasu> most of my stuff i hand program at the mill though 10-30 minutes if they are more advanced parts
[17:35:32] <IG-garage> uhu, will looking towards this time. probably could use drawings with all their dimensions and texts.
[17:36:05] <anonimasu> and some simple holes and all in less then 5 minutes with setup
[17:36:19] <IG-garage> you are skilled probably, I wouldn't be so sure and fast
[17:36:46] <anonimasu> it's a matter of doing it everyday
[17:37:01] <IG-garage> yes
[17:37:36] <anonimasu> you'll get there if you do one off's alot
[17:38:12] <anonimasu> I pretty much never save programs since all my stuff is one off's no real series going past my machine
[17:38:32] <IG-garage> maybe... I still think of the french legion, for those girls to understand all - though it will be late already ;)
[17:38:42] <anonimasu> huh?
[17:38:44] <IG-garage> hah
[17:39:12] <anonimasu> I think to make money you should be able to get cutting in less then 20 minutes from drawing to pat
[17:39:15] <anonimasu> part..
[17:39:15] <anonimasu> for one off's..
[17:39:45] <IG-garage> anonimasu: so, no need to use tool diameter compensation (g41 or g42), you set it in CAM software?
[17:40:02] <IchGuckLive> anonimasu: agree
[17:40:07] <IchGuckLive> time is money
[17:40:08] <anonimasu> i pretty much usually use that only for helical interpolation
[17:40:08] <IG-garage> omg
[17:40:11] <IG-garage> maybe
[17:40:27] <anonimasu> never use cam for workstuff, but most things is like face a block machine a pocket...
[17:40:32] <anonimasu> err i...
[17:41:00] <IchGuckLive> i use tool diameter CRC for every part no zereo path at all
[17:41:06] <IG-garage> but Mastercam is CAM software?
[17:41:13] <anonimasu> yeah, i use that for my hobby stuff
[17:41:33] <anonimasu> my company dosent have the cash to spend on that
[17:41:47] <anonimasu> it costs the same as buying a fairly new vmc :D
[17:42:19] <anonimasu> im looking at bobcad/cam
[17:42:40] <anonimasu> ~2500eur or something for mill and lathe...
[17:44:04] <IchGuckLive> Hekkscad/cam is free and the same then Solideege
[17:44:21] <IchGuckLive> also EMC post includet
[17:45:53] <anonimasu> but along that comes setting up office near the machines for programming and stuff like that...
[17:46:30] <IchGuckLive> you got it
[17:46:46] <anonimasu> we'll see when I get the lathe going what happens
[17:46:52] <IchGuckLive> not 3 floors between the pc and the mashine
[17:47:54] <anonimasu> my work usually goes like this, set part up on the mill and let it run then manual machine stuff on the lathe
[17:48:01] <anonimasu> meanwhile
[17:48:20] <anonimasu> a good day is 7 hours in cut of the cnc mill + finish machining other parts meanwhile
[17:48:54] <Tom_itx> i don't think any of the parts we ran could be programmed that quick
[17:49:09] <anonimasu> Tom_itx: remember the mold inserts i made?
[17:49:12] <Tom_itx> most of them didn't have a flat edge on them
[17:49:14] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:49:27] <anonimasu> they took about 1 hour of programming
[17:49:46] <Tom_itx> most everything we ran was 3d
[17:49:56] <IchGuckLive> good programming takes time if you have to make more then 1 part
[17:49:59] <IG-garage> anonimasu: have you seen i had to use SprutCAM in windows in VirtualBox? CD-ROM of my laptop seems to be broken... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24tMy4uojf0
[17:50:34] <anonimasu> yeah I http://ah.io23.net/ul/files/IMAG1027.jpg
[17:51:47] <IG-garage> HeeksCNC does not do turning for lathes
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[17:52:08] <anonimasu> Tom_itx: yeah ofcourse if you plan on production 5 hours of programming time dosent matter
[17:52:12] <Tom_itx> http://www.clearwaterengineering.com/gallery.php
[17:52:15] <Tom_itx> to give you an idea
[17:52:17] <Tom_itx> what we ran
[17:53:05] <Tom_itx> most from solid billet or forgings
[17:53:34] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: the molds
[17:54:25] <Tom_itx> ?
[17:54:57] <IchGuckLive> clearwater Fl = coogartown
[17:55:04] <Tom_itx> Ks
[17:55:06] <Tom_itx> not Fl
[17:55:13] <anonimasu> Tom_itx: but thoose arent one off's are they?
[17:55:15] <anonimasu> :)
[17:55:21] <Tom_itx> nope
[17:55:46] <anonimasu> Tom_itx: i'd have a hard time explaining a guy how the bent shaft he could buy for 200eur can cost more then 300 to machine ;)
[17:56:14] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: http://www.loewenhydraulik.de/produkte1.php what i do
[17:56:43] <Tom_itx> nice
[17:56:53] <Tom_itx> you have square edges to work with
[17:57:23] <IchGuckLive> yes but partquantety beond 10.000
[17:58:01] <anonimasu> tho, for that kind of 3d parts you can quote setup and programming
[17:58:09] <Tom_itx> we did
[17:58:09] <anonimasu> :)
[17:58:22] <IchGuckLive> so time is money if you save 1min Tom_itx its a week in work
[17:58:24] <Tom_itx> some were upwards of 30 hrs programming
[17:58:47] <Tom_itx> not all
[17:58:48] <anonimasu> for job shop stuff where a guy comes in with a part and says make a new one you cant charge that because most of the times a new one is cheaper if avaiable
[17:59:03] <Tom_itx> if it were he wouldn't be buggin ya
[17:59:30] <IchGuckLive> anonimasu: thats not the moneymaker job
[18:00:06] <anonimasu> my main stuff is making parts for the machines we are reparing so we dont have to outsource them and making parts for our own products
[18:00:18] <anonimasu> but very limited runs, but one is like 50k eur..
[18:00:22] <Tom_itx> the 3rd one over in the Ti / steel section, the first prototypes were done from solid billet
[18:00:23] <IchGuckLive> jobshop stuff manafacturers are going to programm on the mashine in MDI
[18:00:25] <Tom_itx> 6
[18:00:42] <Tom_itx> the trailing links for landing gear
[18:00:48] <IG-garage> anonimasu: he probably wants more tight tolerances or so
[18:00:51] <anonimasu> and maybe 5-6 machines in a year
[18:01:09] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: get jour shop a 3D printer
[18:01:23] <Tom_itx> you can't very well print ti
[18:01:35] <anonimasu> IG-garage: for most job shop stuff people dont seem to care as long as they are tight enough
[18:01:36] <Tom_itx> and it had a grain direction to follow as well
[18:01:38] <anonimasu> :)
[18:01:46] <IchGuckLive> titanium printer now below 80k USD
[18:01:51] <anonimasu> Tom_itx: your confusing two worlds :D
[18:01:59] <Tom_itx> not me
[18:02:00] <IG-garage> anonimasu: maybe
[18:02:09] <IchGuckLive> ok bye for today
[18:02:14] <danimal_garage> whats up with the google custom search as the homepage with 10.04?
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[18:02:17] <danimal_garage> it sucks
[18:02:20] <anonimasu> if I were making 10k parts i wouldnt care in spending a day or two to program
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[18:20:41] * anonimasu awyns
[18:27:16] <anonimasu> also, bobcad/cam has autonesting :)
[18:28:23] * IG-garage is a bout to create a food. it will be a salad.
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[18:40:35] <anonimasu> http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f21/35392d1307980257-help-me-choose-my-next-big-horizontal-nmv5000.jpg
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[18:56:37] <archivist> anonimasu, see also http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Bearbeitungszentrum_Schnittmodell_Hermle_01.jpg
[18:57:30] <anonimasu> archivist: I like thoose models alot
[18:58:47] * anonimasu peeks at adpic's
[18:58:49] <anonimasu> dspic's
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[19:06:45] <awallin> one of those hermle's in the shop would be real nice...
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[19:10:20] <archivist> I did start modelling a hermle work-a-like to perhaps make one day
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[19:36:30] <nutbeam> Hi. Any emc developers in here?
[19:37:32] <archivist> nutbeam, just ask the real question
[19:39:19] <nutbeam> :-) ok... I'm working for a company who've built an open source OMAP3530 Computer on Module..we really really want to build an open source machine control board
[19:39:24] <nutbeam> problem is
[19:40:11] <nutbeam> rtai on anything but x86 seems almost non-existant, and the RTAI project itself doesn't seem very active..so...
[19:41:11] <nutbeam> ..we thought of trying to get EMC working with Xenomai and the RTAI skin instead...and were wondering if EMC was still happy with RTAI..or were other options like Xenomai or PREEMPT_RT being looked at
[19:42:30] <nutbeam> ?
[19:42:31] <archivist> look at the emc developers mailing list in the last week or two at the "Preempt-RT ... where to put the patches" thread
[19:42:39] <nutbeam> cool..thanks.
[19:43:19] <nutbeam> so it looks like PREEMPT_RT is where things are going
[19:43:26] <nutbeam> thanks for the response :-)
[19:43:51] <archivist> not where its going but a possible alternative
[19:43:57] <nutbeam> ok
[19:44:26] <archivist> but more users helping will help
[19:44:38] <archivist> helping/using
[19:45:05] <nutbeam> well we're looking to use one of our full time resources to get this done and contribute it back
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[19:45:28] <archivist> was some talk of a beagle board but that seems to have fizzled out
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[19:46:08] <nutbeam> I saw that and have talked to the project admin for RTAI on the OMAP3530 but he has no time for it
[19:46:47] <nutbeam> Our "board" is a module with all the difficult work done, and is designed so for example you could plug it directly into a control board, or whatever kind of daughterboard you want
[19:47:11] <nutbeam> it's industrial rated too , rather than commercial like the beagleboard
[19:47:16] <nutbeam> It's open source also
[19:47:49] <nutbeam> I shall check out the developer mailing lists as you suggested
[19:48:25] <nutbeam> opensource toolchain too..OpenEmbedded currently running Angstrom
[19:51:11] <nutbeam> seems like there are a lot of beaglishboard type hacks out there for robotics and machine control, but require C and realtime knowledge to implement, or have the pointless welding of another processor on there to do the RT
[19:51:41] <nutbeam> I figure something like EMC would make embedded and machine control much more accessible, especially it all being open source
[19:52:15] <nutbeam> thanks for the pointers..off to read the mailling list now
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[20:55:21] * anonimasu just set up the smart motor on the rotary table to work for machining gears :]
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[21:12:45] <anonimasu> now just to set up some io on the big mill so I can connect it and use it for indexing
[21:14:50] <archivist> just make it an A axis
[21:16:21] <anonimasu> that requires me to fab a encoder mount for it
[21:16:33] <anonimasu> and figure out the wiring for the big mill..
[21:16:39] <anonimasu> (not emc)
[21:17:55] <archivist> what is the ratio in the rotary
[21:18:02] <anonimasu> 90:1
[21:18:42] <archivist> ok, some of the low ration rotaries are terrible
[21:18:49] <archivist> ratio
[21:18:58] <anonimasu> it's got about 1 deg of backslash..
[21:19:19] <archivist> drive only one direction
[21:19:50] <anonimasu> err backslash/slop
[21:19:58] <anonimasu> so I guess I'll index and lock and have the cnc make teeth
[21:20:13] <anonimasu> a bit more work, but it'll get me gears somehow
[21:20:26] <syyl> still no wire edm? :D
[21:20:39] <anonimasu> no :)
[21:20:49] <syyl> maybe some day...
[21:20:55] <anonimasu> not maybe
[21:21:02] <anonimasu> :)
[21:21:04] <anonimasu> I will have one
[21:21:06] <syyl> :)
[21:22:14] <anonimasu> I could have already, but i were cheap back then
[21:22:29] <anonimasu> i got a offer for 1000eur for a used agie
[21:23:40] <anonimasu> a few years back
[21:23:50] <anonimasu> something similiar should show up ^_^
[21:24:25] <syyl> then, your gearmakingtroubles would be gone..
[21:25:02] <anonimasu> but I need a pretty good one to make accurate gears
[21:25:24] <syyl> hmm
[21:25:37] <syyl> you could also make bevel gears with it
[21:26:07] <anonimasu> yep
[21:26:19] <anonimasu> a 6 axis edm could do :D
[21:26:28] <syyl> that would look crazy
[21:26:38] <syyl> cutting it
[21:26:51] <syyl> then releasing the finished gear from the plate...
[21:28:44] <anonimasu> yep :)
[21:29:58] <anonimasu> anyway bedtime.
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[21:33:41] * JT-Shop signs off now to move the computer to the new shop :)
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[21:43:16] * JT-Shop is now in the new shop :)
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[22:14:31] * Tom_itx JT-Shop :D
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[22:22:02] <nicko> ello all
[22:22:50] <nicko> movie tonight and some drawing to do for uni - but other than that a *complete weekend* to work on my mill
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[22:23:47] <danimal_garage> nice
[22:24:02] <danimal_garage> i got a little time this weekend to work on mine as well
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[22:32:37] <nicko> and here I working on another project ... ugh, too many !
[22:33:10] <danimal_garage> luckly some material i need isn't here yet, so i can't do real work.
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[22:40:41] <nicko> I have no excuses
[22:42:11] <danimal_garage> it's actually a good thing, i have time to play instead
[22:42:17] <danimal_garage> and maybe get my machine going
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[23:11:45] <JT-Shop> my desk went from 18" x 24" to 36" x 60" and it is cool in here :)
[23:15:40] <danimal_garage> did you clean it or something?
[23:15:52] <danimal_garage> :)
[23:16:26] <elmo40> lol danimal_garage
[23:16:48] <elmo40> I cleaned my desk once... back in 1985 found out it was made of metal!
[23:18:12] <danimal_garage> i need to clean my office badly
[23:18:24] <danimal_garage> my whole house for that matter
[23:18:32] <danimal_garage> too much stuff, not enough space
[23:19:27] <elmo40> easiest way (though not the most economical) move :-P
[23:20:24] <danimal_garage> ha
[23:20:31] <danimal_garage> not so much
[23:20:41] <elmo40> anything new coming down the pipeline for EMC? Been 8 months since any release.
[23:20:51] <danimal_garage> cleaning around 10 tons of iron is definitely easier than moving it
[23:20:58] <elmo40> true
[23:21:06] <JT-Shop> I moved to the new shop
[23:21:15] <elmo40> wow, 99 people (minus bots and ChanServ) are in here. nice
[23:22:03] <JT-Shop> elmo40: I still have stuff I've not unpacked since the last move 15 years ago
[23:22:20] <elmo40> wow
[23:22:29] <elmo40> guess you didn't really need them then, eh?
[23:22:37] <elmo40> any EMC fest for 2011?
[23:22:46] <JT-Shop> guess not, hobby stuff etc.
[23:23:13] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: it feels funny sitting in here at an actual desk :)
[23:23:40] <elmo40> miss the clutter?
[23:23:58] <JT-Shop> no
[23:24:09] <danimal_garage> that box of condoms is likely expired John, you should throw them out instead of unpacking them
[23:24:22] <JT-Shop> LOL
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[23:24:46] <JT-Shop> I would say they are expired for sure with out checking the born on date
[23:24:51] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop: i bet!
[23:24:57] <danimal_garage> ha
[23:26:12] <JT-Shop> so Dan a Nissan rear end looks good for the trike... I wonder if they have a car one that would be lighter
[23:26:35] <JT-Shop> the axle housing is a weldment so easy to mod
[23:26:57] <JT-Shop> the front cover that holds the pinon is cast but I will toss that
[23:27:56] <danimal_garage> sounds overkill for a 250
[23:28:24] <JT-Shop> yea, but can you think of anything lighter that might work?
[23:28:41] <danimal_garage> a quad rear axle
[23:29:00] <danimal_garage> if it can handle off roading, it can handle that
[23:29:04] <JT-Shop> ah yea, you said that before
[23:29:28] <JT-Shop> I would have to lengthen the axles for sure on that
[23:29:35] <danimal_garage> you think so?
[23:29:44] <danimal_garage> how wide do you want it?
[23:30:05] <JT-Shop> yea, I would be concerned about cornering
[23:30:13] <danimal_garage> hmm
[23:30:27] <JT-Shop> most I see are 38-46 range
[23:30:41] <danimal_garage> get a deeper wheel offset
[23:30:55] <JT-Shop> wheels for it might be hard to find?
[23:31:06] <danimal_garage> drill your own lug pattern
[23:31:19] <JT-Shop> I can do that
[23:31:20] <danimal_garage> not too hard to do with a v block and a manual mill
[23:31:42] <danimal_garage> or make an adapter plate
[23:32:02] <JT-Shop> like the old VW adapters
[23:32:42] <danimal_garage> that way you can drill it for some cool old scool cragars or something
[23:33:27] <JT-Shop> lots to think about...
[23:33:44] <danimal_garage> yep
[23:34:01] <danimal_garage> i'm about to swap my 7i33 for the 7i48 i just ordered
[23:34:18] <danimal_garage> then i'll use the 7i33 for the mini mill
[23:34:32] <danimal_garage> hopefully i can get it moving this weekend
[23:34:33] <JT-Shop> for the engraver?
[23:34:35] <danimal_garage> yes
[23:34:54] <JT-Shop> neat!
[23:35:06] <danimal_garage> i wanted more channels for the big mill, so i got the 7i48
[23:35:14] <danimal_garage> and i'm just gunna switch them
[23:35:31] <danimal_garage> now i can get a 4th axis
[23:35:33] <JT-Shop> cool
[23:35:45] <danimal_garage> yea
[23:35:57] <danimal_garage> wish me luck! i'm off to do some wiring
[23:36:16] <JT-Shop> ok, I'm off to make some pizza dough for dinner
[23:36:43] <danimal_garage> just the dough? weird
[23:37:01] <danimal_garage> at least put some cheese on it
[23:37:03] <JT-Shop> well dough first then pizza when the wife gets home...
[23:37:08] <danimal_garage> ah
[23:37:10] <JT-Shop> it has to rise
[23:37:20] <danimal_garage> gotcha
[23:37:27] <danimal_garage> ok, well take it easy
[23:37:48] <JT-Shop> you too, and thanks for the thoughts on the trike
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[23:38:36] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/id,859/catid,27/limit,6/limitstart,6/lang,english/
[23:39:06] <elmo40> rather cool video of a pcb being designed with Freepcb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJQxbepdiXo
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[23:59:42] <elmo40> think this is a good price? http://qurl.org/7B1