#emc | Logs for 2011-07-18

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[00:09:34] <robin_sz> andypugh, that cheap 900 would be a good one to play around with a couple of injector bodies and a Megasquirt DIY injection controller
[00:09:51] <andypugh> Or an Arduino :-)
[00:10:04] <robin_sz> ?
[00:10:18] <andypugh> I reckon an Arduino could run fuel injection.
[00:10:22] <robin_sz> theres an injenction project for that?
[00:10:35] <robin_sz> hmm
[00:10:42] <robin_sz> ignition timing as well?
[00:10:53] <andypugh> Not as far as I know, but you could start one
[00:11:01] <andypugh> Probably.
[00:11:06] <robin_sz> I thought about an Cortex M3
[00:11:16] <robin_sz> it has pwm and pcc
[00:11:51] <robin_sz> but they do a surface mount version of the megasquirt now
[00:11:57] <robin_sz> teeny weeny
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[00:12:12] <andypugh> We run a three-core PowerPC close to the limit at work, but that is doing a _lot_ of stuff that a bike injection controller wouldn't need. Like 200 pages of Simulink for the cooling water valve controller...
[00:12:24] <skunkworks> megasquirt.. I remember researching that when I had my TT stealth
[00:13:02] <robin_sz> how hard can cooling water be?
[00:13:53] <skunkworks> what was it called on your side of the pond?? Mitsubishi GTO I think
[00:14:06] <robin_sz> ah, one of those
[00:14:41] <skunkworks> fun car - a bit overweight..
[00:14:48] <andypugh> robin_sz: Lots of state machines and diagnostics, several layers of PID and precontrollers for each mode, fallback modes...
[00:15:10] <robin_sz> uh huh
[00:15:50] <robin_sz> resulting in tight temp control at the combustion chmaber?
[00:16:38] <robin_sz> I suppose you can start sucking heat out based on engine load, before the water has chamged temp
[00:17:13] <robin_sz> cooling the waters side of the block, in anticipation of what the inside surface is doing
[00:17:17] <elmo40> I wonder how they program those tube benders. do they take g-code?
[00:17:37] <robin_sz> I guess keeping the inside of the head just right is the objective
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[00:19:41] <andypugh> robin_sz: Exactly, there is a material temperature model based on speed, load and coolant. The plan is to run hot coolant and oil at low load for low-friction, and cooler at high load to keep the pistons inside the engine.
[00:20:27] <robin_sz> sounds a fair plan. what will they think of next?
[00:21:39] <elmo40> nikasil cylinders
[00:22:36] <andypugh> robin_sz: Variable displacement oil pump to minimise losses. It's more efficient to not pump the oil at all than to dump it through a relief valve.
[00:23:07] <robin_sz> does an oil pump use that much power?
[00:23:09] <andypugh> That's actually a little simpler than the water valve.
[00:23:34] <andypugh> I think it wastes about 1kw at max revs.
[00:23:47] <robin_sz> not a huge amount
[00:23:55] <robin_sz> but, I guess if you are seeking mpg
[00:24:11] <andypugh> Now that every 1% of CO2 might mean a different tax bracket, they are chasing everything.
[00:24:25] <robin_sz> I would have thought the ancilliaries would use a lot
[00:24:30] <robin_sz> power steering
[00:24:33] <andypugh> and that oil pump is getting on for 1%
[00:24:34] <robin_sz> alternators
[00:25:01] <andypugh> The power steering went electric a few years ago. For that reason.
[00:25:19] <andypugh> And the alternator only charges on back-out, with the brakes on..
[00:26:14] <robin_sz> back-out?
[00:26:24] <robin_sz> oh decelerating
[00:26:25] <andypugh> coast-down?
[00:26:28] <robin_sz> right
[00:26:57] <robin_sz> cute
[00:27:37] <skunkworks> wow - they are thinking of everything arn't they
[00:29:11] <robin_sz> not sure about that
[00:29:19] <robin_sz> dont forget 8-track
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[00:30:45] <robin_sz> the japanese designed compact cassette first, then 8 track. then rleased 8 track, as they knew it was an inferior product
[00:30:50] <robin_sz> so they got to sell a load
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[00:31:05] <robin_sz> then release CC later on, and replace all they just sold
[00:31:31] <robin_sz> so, I think it is unlikely car manufacturers are releasing everyting they thought of right now
[00:31:56] <robin_sz> I suspect they thought of more and tested more, but are releasing *just enough* to keep them one step ahead
[00:32:03] <robin_sz> of their competitors
[00:32:20] <robin_sz> no point setting off all your fireworks at the start of the show
[00:32:31] <andypugh> It's possible, but the main problem is that all the things they can think of, cost too much.
[00:32:52] <robin_sz> mmm, cost too much is relative
[00:32:59] <andypugh> So you only installl the minimum to remain competitive.
[00:33:04] <robin_sz> "cost too much for now" might be better
[00:33:06] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:33:29] <andypugh> There is a feeling that internal combustion is tapering out, anyway.
[00:33:35] <robin_sz> heh
[00:33:45] <robin_sz> leccy?
[00:33:50] <robin_sz> fule cells?
[00:34:05] <andypugh> We have BEV transits and focuses, and they are a hoot to drive, by all accoiunts.
[00:34:19] <robin_sz> should I start sock-piling petrol?
[00:34:24] <robin_sz> *stock
[00:36:15] * robin_sz hums "red barchetta"
[00:37:17] <robin_sz> to be fair, I hired a 2010 ford land-snail to pick the laser up with the other day, it was actually very pleasant to drive
[00:37:25] <robin_sz> more like a car than I expected
[00:38:38] <andypugh> Well, it's not going to be like a bike ;-)
[00:38:59] <andypugh> Right, time to sleep.
[00:39:00] <robin_sz> heh, true, but they have improved a lot from what I remembers
[00:39:05] <robin_sz> k, night
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[00:53:21] <elmo40> variable displacement oil pump? make it electric. same with water
[00:53:39] <elmo40> but add a turbo, all worries or inefficiencies will be gone ;)
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[01:02:22] <skunkworks> electric scares me for an oil pump...
[01:09:15] <elmo40> but if you have a new car chances are the throttle is electric (drive by wire)
[01:09:36] <elmo40> besides, you still have gauges
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[01:13:12] <Tom_itx> some, the steering is too
[01:13:57] <theorbtwo> FWIW, my car has no actual gauges -- everything in the instrument cluster is electronicly controlled.
[01:14:13] <jdhNC> my gauges are steppers with needles
[01:14:49] <theorbtwo> The most obvious way to see that is to start the car with the "reset trip odometer" button heald down, it does several full-range sweeps of each of the gauges.
[01:15:00] <theorbtwo> jdhNC: I think mine are servos, but same idea.
[01:15:15] <jdhNC> sounds overly complicated
[01:15:26] <theorbtwo> It's not even a terribly advanced car -- a 2004 ford focus.
[01:16:09] <jdhNC> there was a bad batch of mexican steppers in 2004-5 GM cars
[01:17:29] <theorbtwo> Hm. What's the symptom? Our spedo is markedly off, but I assumed that was on purpose -- it says you are going faster then you really are.
[01:18:06] <jdhNC> most obvious is reading high due to not re-zeroing
[01:18:28] <theorbtwo> Ah. We don't have that issue.
[01:19:05] <ds3> anyone played with thermocouples?
[01:19:59] <jdhNC> someone had some thermocouples for their smoker
[01:20:08] <ds3> oh
[01:20:25] <jdhNC> TC->mux->ADC
[01:20:45] <ds3> trying to get a straight answer on if I need to insulate a thermocouple from the item being measured...i.e. if I am monitoring a chunk of steel, do I need to put a thermally conductive insulator between the welded junction and the steel block
[01:22:32] <jdhNC> good question :)
[01:22:55] <elmo40> I thought you had to be touching the item
[01:23:21] <elmo40> and it acts as a ground?
[01:23:34] <ds3> thought it needs to be floating?
[01:23:43] <theorbtwo> elmo40: Well, you should have good *thermal* conductivity, but I expect ideally you should have poor electrical conductivity.
[01:23:49] <theorbtwo> I don't really know, though.
[01:24:59] <elmo40> can't use a laser? ;) would solve many issues
[01:25:33] <ds3> :P
[01:29:10] <pcw_home> Really depends on the thermocouple measuring circuit. A good isolated or at least differential input will allow you to ground the TC
[01:29:12] <pcw_home> (small TCs are often staked into soft metals like Alum or copper for power semi temperature monitoring)
[01:30:57] <pcw_home> TCs are so indestructable tha you can graph the temperature rise of the TC as you flatten the junction with a hammer
[01:32:49] <ds3> so if I were to measure the TC with a battery powered circuit (i.e. completely floating), it doesn't matter if I have galvanic contact?
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[01:53:56] <pcw_home> right solder or weld the TC to the measured metal, wont harm it at all
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[03:14:02] <Tom_itx> i used a PT100 sensor on my toaster oven instead of a thermocouple
[03:14:35] <Tom_itx> wide temp range
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[07:26:28] <Loetmichel> mornin
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[08:56:39] <anonimasu> hello...
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[09:09:18] <mazafaka> hello
[09:09:51] <mazafaka> the electricity have unexpectedly just stopped to turn my laptop and light bulbs
[09:10:45] <Valen> heres a question, do rolling blackouts actually reduce average power consumption
[09:12:51] <psha[work]> Valen: sore! but they have to be long enought - for example if you'll get electricity one day per week it'll save a lot
[09:13:50] <Valen> yeah cos everybody will leave ;-P
[09:13:59] <mazafaka> power consumption can be reduced even if people will turn off their TVs with a button, not just suspend them. Personal computer takes about 250W per hour.
[09:14:24] <Valen> modern equipment uses < 1W when in standby
[09:16:15] <mazafaka> I have about ten light bulbs in apartment, they are new and spend only 20% in comparison to usual light bulb. Plus I'm raw vegan and we do not really use ovens, so we pay very tiny amount of money to the state, about USD 5 per month, although we pay about 5 cents for each KWh
[09:17:09] <Valen> its 30c /kwh here
[09:17:15] <mazafaka> in the garage, I pay about 8 cents per each kilo Watt per hour, so it cost more.
[09:17:21] <Valen> and we have no gas
[09:17:39] <mazafaka> Valen: where, in apartments or at the industrial area of the city?
[09:17:50] <mazafaka> we have no gas as well.
[09:17:50] <Valen> house
[09:18:16] <mazafaka> But we also pay avarage USD 20 per month for the heat radiators.
[09:18:28] <anonimasu> Valen: ofcourse they do
[09:18:41] <anonimasu> Valen: if you pwm a motor at 50% it'll use less current :D
[09:18:52] <mazafaka> what?
[09:19:06] <mazafaka> 50 of RPM reduces the power consumption?
[09:19:08] <Valen> anonimasu: it also will only do 50% of the wor
[09:19:10] <Valen> k
[09:19:35] <anonimasu> yes
[09:19:46] <mazafaka> well, some motors shall not be used at their maximal speed because they start to overheat too soon
[09:19:52] <anonimasu> same with rolling blackouts
[09:19:53] <anonimasu> :D
[09:20:09] <anonimasu> I wonder how the spike of charging all caps would measure in that caswe
[09:20:10] <anonimasu> case..
[09:20:21] <mazafaka> you will only have 50% of intellectual life, the rest is for the work
[09:20:22] <Valen> The point I was making is people would presumably do energy heavy tasks when they have the power
[09:20:26] <archivist_emc> end of Myford http://www.myford.com/
[09:20:34] <Valen> IE run the aluminium smelters, clothes dryers etc
[09:20:49] <Valen> so i'm thinking that the power saving won't actually be that great
[09:21:10] <Poincare> Charging the batteries...
[09:21:20] <Valen> basically
[09:21:26] <mazafaka> maybe
[09:21:32] <mazafaka> who knows...
[09:21:57] <mazafaka> what if part of them will leave the previous lifestyle and start more natural life.
[09:22:03] <anonimasu> Valen: also, you can power thoose places down
[09:22:24] <anonimasu> it's like the smeltering furnaces for steel
[09:22:31] <anonimasu> they take a week to heat and a week to cool
[09:23:09] <Valen> they generally have their own connections to trunk lines and such too
[09:23:20] <anonimasu> yep
[09:23:23] <psha[work]> anonimasu: then it's really not a problem if you power them down for a day or too!
[09:23:26] <psha[work]> s/too/two
[09:23:27] <Valen> as a blackout causing a pour to go cold costs millions to fix
[09:24:15] <mazafaka> anonimasu: yeah, steel and aluminum are produced with huge heat consumption.
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[09:25:17] <mazafaka> so lets weld and repair old details rather than mill and turn new ones
[09:26:18] <ktchk> Hi anyone have usb wifi working under ubuntu 10.04 lts rtai, and which.
[09:26:28] <toastydeath> lol, you look at the price of even a small open die forged part and you'd weld it too
[09:29:30] <mazafaka> yeah
[09:29:51] <mazafaka> so we can consume much less, not steel plants
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[09:43:31] <psha[work]> ktchk: better not to bother i suspect
[09:44:51] <ktchk> I need a usb wifi for one of my workstation
[09:48:09] <mazafaka> usb seems doesn't work
[09:49:23] <psha[work]> ktchk: chances that it'll kill realtime are very high
[09:53:26] <ktchk> psha: that is my publem i have usb wifi 3 of them all not working only a pci intel buildin wifi works
[09:54:18] <ktchk> How about a router working as ap and relate wifi to ethernet?
[10:03:28] <mazafaka> What files contain information about the ratio of the axes, e.g. mm per revolution, with floating point? .hal -files?
[10:05:24] <psha[work]> mazafaka: .ini
[10:05:26] <elmo40> .ini?
[10:05:34] <psha[work]> ktchk: wired network is usually better
[10:06:08] <psha[work]> ktchk: usb wifi has two problems - first, it may have unsupported chip, second it may conflict with RTAI
[10:07:04] <psha[work]> you'd really better take wifi router as bridge and connect your computers with wire
[10:07:23] <psha[work]> so you'll still have wireless network but critical parts would be counnected with wired one
[10:07:36] <ktchk> psha: I found one solution wifi reapeater with dd-wrt change my router to a wifi repeater to ethernet thanks
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[12:45:21] <rooks> you guys into making stuff, how about this then? anyone attempted to go after making such home? http://www.youtube.com/v/SbRvsWuWNUM
[12:52:15] <archivist_emc> I have far to much stuph for a poky hole like that
[12:54:34] <jthornton> I've built a few houses but they were a bit bigger than that and not on wheels
[13:04:44] <rooks> jthornton, can you tell straight out of head what was a ballpark estimate of permits and other planning fees?
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[13:30:15] <Loetmichel> hmmm, anyone here who can open a ford fiesta without the key? my apprentice has locked and closed the door of his car and THEN recognised that tehe was still lying on the non-drivers-seat :-(
[13:30:29] <Loetmichel> that the key
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[13:32:06] <psha[work]> Loetmichel: small crowbar, piece of cloth and some wedges
[13:32:24] <psha[work]> apply small force to door top and inserte wedge
[13:33:05] <psha[work]> repeat until there is chink ~5cm in width
[13:33:41] <psha[work]> take something narrow and long (piece of wire) and try to hook door handle from inside
[13:34:06] <psha[work]> we've opened pajero sport two weeks ago this way :)
[13:34:21] <Loetmichel> not possible, 'cause in a fiesta the door handle ist recessesd if locked
[13:34:28] <Loetmichel> and no lock pin
[13:34:46] <psha[work]> no lock pin is a pity...
[13:35:11] <psha[work]> then you may try to pickup keys from inside in same way
[13:35:27] <psha[work]> if they are laying not far from door
[13:35:42] <Loetmichel> and i dont have enough guts to bend the door more tahan about 2cm
[13:35:56] <Loetmichel> (seeing the torsion of the window)
[13:36:20] <psha[work]> Loetmichel: for 10 minutes we were in fear to break something but then applied a bit more power and it was ok :)
[13:36:20] <Loetmichel> and tant means about 5mm gap for a wire or sheet metal
[13:36:40] <Loetmichel> and not enough for pulling out the key, tried that
[13:36:54] <psha[work]> my friend opened mercedes with very thick door in same way
[13:37:09] <Loetmichel> the key ring is MUCH to thick
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[13:38:12] <Loetmichel> <- to chicken to bend the door window even more...
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[13:40:17] <psha[work]> Loetmichel: is there central lock? or just plain old lock which is opened with key?
[13:42:51] <Loetmichel> plain old lock with the "bone" key
[13:43:16] <Loetmichel> but Aprenntice is member of ADAC... he calls them just at the moment
[13:44:09] <Loetmichel> adac= german AAA
[13:44:19] <Loetmichel> if you are over the big pond ;-)
[13:45:09] <Loetmichel> they will send a man to open the car for free
[13:45:23] <Loetmichel> if you are member of the club
[13:47:20] <JT-Shop> rooks: where I live $0.00
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[14:10:54] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: where's the ratio for particular axes, in what file, in I have not found it in .ini?
[14:11:22] <rooks> JT-Shop, cool, where do you live? and would they permit cob-house there? ( http://www.youtube.com/v/SbRvsWuWNUM ) since im thinking of them as well
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[14:12:06] <mazafaka> oh, not sim configs (steppers) really have these settings in .ini
[14:13:29] <mazafaka> And how to sleep in this tiny house?
[14:16:33] <mazafaka> they main advantage they are movable?
[14:21:04] <Loetmichel> ok, ADAC was here: car is open. The tech from ADAC has just bigger cojones than me: he has bend the door about 5cm at the top to get his metal pin in to open the door
[14:21:10] <Loetmichel> ;-)
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[14:29:58] <JT-Shop> rooks: you can do anything you want in rural Missouri
[14:30:18] <rooks> sweet :)
[14:30:53] <mazafaka> these houses are just like usual Russian one-floor houses (Soviet Union banned multistory houses)
[14:31:33] <mazafaka> JT-Shop: But you must owe the territory to where you put such a small house, right?
[14:31:58] <JT-Shop> only if you get caught squatting
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[14:33:54] <mazafaka> two our gardens have such houses. second floor (under the slopes of the roof is an another room).
[14:34:18] <rooks> i am kinda thinking on moving into some rural spain or scandinavia in next few years, and building either a small home on wheels or cob one if it wouldnt be much of the hustle with locals
[14:34:26] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcyQsBFG5FI
[14:34:33] <skunkworks> would touchy work on 8 inch?
[14:34:34] <mazafaka> Although non-water closets are outside the houses
[14:35:40] <mazafaka> rooks: locals may claim their rights on the ground and so, you will have to somehow arrange all official stuff arounf the house.
[14:36:33] <mazafaka> skunkworks: it probably depends on the size of your hands
[14:37:23] <rooks> mazafaka, i knou. i plan to go along with whatever crazyness they have at some place. and i plan to get rural-type of land sinc i thinking on doing some small scale organic farming, and if it would fly, then maybe i'd go out of puters completely and focus on organic farming
[14:38:49] <tom3p> for those offline using thumbdrives to get files needed to build emc2 files...
[14:39:01] <tom3p> the 'generate download package script' of synaptic works well, tho the offline system may well have outdated package information database.
[14:39:02] <tom3p> so a couple of script runs will show you some 'file not found' errors which turn out to be simple a version is no longer available eg: python-gnome2-extras_2.19.1-0ubuntu7.1_i386.deb vs python-gnome2-extras_2.19.1-0ubuntu7.2_i386.deb
[14:39:17] <mazafaka> organic farming is what we do. Have been loosened the soil around potato and get it together around the bushes of potato.
[14:40:09] <mazafaka> tom3p: simply copy the files *.deb from /var/cache/apt/archive/
[14:40:32] <rooks> good times :) i remember doing so when i was a kid at my folks veggie garden :)
[14:40:50] <mazafaka> this is the way I do. I have copied about 200 mb of files. "sudo dpkg -i *.deb" later will have put it at the place
[14:41:38] <mazafaka> rooks: it's a constant work, weed is the fertilizer, but you must remove them at the moment for the cultures to grow up.
[14:42:34] <mazafaka> routes around the beds are covered with grass, grass is inside the beds and make soil to keep moisture for longer...
[14:44:02] <mazafaka> these files are depended on each other. Although, "sudo apt-get install -f" can offer to you to install missing packages.
[14:45:00] <rooks> mazafaka, i kinda think on getting on with stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX-rL2-KgP4 (suburban homesteading) type of stuff, then if it would fly id see what next :)
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[14:47:34] <mazafaka> rooks: there are ecological beds for, say, onion and carrot, even at the buildings in state capitals. You can try one in the backyard. Don't shovel all the area of your garden, leave enough place for insects (ants and so forth) to live. This way they will never bother you.
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[14:48:27] <mazafaka> on the roof of buildings. You *probably* already can try something.
[14:48:41] <rooks> mazafaka, i know, also some plants repel bugs, surrounding stuff with copper foil will repell slugs, etc :)
[14:48:50] <rooks> mazafaka, i did so far wheat grass :)
[14:49:17] <rooks> + what i did when i was a kid when shoveling dirt at old folks veggie place :)
[14:49:35] <mazafaka> Taste of vegetables relies on what you use as a fertilizer. Never use blood or so.
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[14:50:47] <mazafaka> Probably if there are mice in your garden they will eat the slugs. (in rainy summer, there are million of slugs, surrounding can be useless.)
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[14:52:38] <mazafaka> For good taste of white cabbage, for example, you may cultivate parsley next to it on the same bed. This way parsley repel slugs. There are books about it.
[14:52:40] <TekniQue> how about surrounding your stuff with piles of salt?
[14:52:59] <mazafaka> no, it's ridiculous.
[14:53:22] <TekniQue> it's funny how slugs melt when you pour salt on them
[14:53:34] <rooks> yeah, too much of interference instead of using nature's libc :P
[14:53:43] <TekniQue> it's like their cells try to adjust the salt level inside and outside by osmosis
[14:53:51] <TekniQue> and expel all of their water
[14:53:57] <rooks> umm.. i dont do such things...
[14:53:59] <mazafaka> no, too much of your activity when you do something unnatural.
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[14:55:36] <tom3p> mazafaka, simple copy doesnt tell you the deps, nor which pkgs are no longer available, you have to examine each files deps against you install becuase you cannot update your package information database while offline.
[14:56:02] <mazafaka> slugs may be useful in the place where to where you put not needed weed. Don't shovel a hole in the soil just put it as a pile. 2 or 3 meters about this pile are 'fertilized' a bit soil
[14:57:37] <mazafaka> tom3p: i have just copied them, then installed everything into the system offline, compiled EMC. then turned on the Internet but haven't installed anything yet. "sudo apt-get install -f" returns no errors.
[14:59:12] <mazafaka> i can for example send you a list of offline packages
[15:00:33] <mazafaka> the one on my PC is 200 mb in size - with QCAD, Inkscape and video codecs, I just save time when re-install the system.
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[15:02:37] <mazafaka> rooks: if something isn't working, just get a bucket and shovel and head to the place where cows doing they dirty things, get these dirty thingies and mix it with the soil and grass.
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[15:02:56] <rooks> yeah :)
[15:03:13] <tom3p> mazafaka, how did you make the list? my online system is 10.04 and the offline system is 8.04, so the online system likes to get versions that wont run on the offline system.
[15:03:28] <rooks> i had my farm life exposure earlier on, tho it was a more mine the land instead of care for the land type of thing...
[15:03:32] <mazafaka> it always help, we are buying trucks of this stuff for about USD 200
[15:03:46] <rooks> :)
[15:05:08] <mazafaka> tom3p: i don't know how, I thought the systems are the same. Just use LiveCD of the target system if you have enough RAM memory (e.g. 'another' 100-200 mb for .deb -files stored).
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[15:06:24] <mazafaka> wheat is easier to grow up than anything else, don't think everything is very easy. Try it by chance. Try to cultivate a bed somewhere in the forest :)
[15:06:53] <anonimasu> mazafaka: I build machines to do so at work :D
[15:06:55] <anonimasu> it's not so heavy
[15:08:04] <mazafaka> i would boot up with Ubuntu 8.04 livecd and install the packages i need, then copy the files from /var/cache/apt/archives to some directory on the disk.
[15:22:44] <tom3p> live cd cannot build system
[15:23:04] <tom3p> i posted howto already on wiki
[15:23:20] <mazafaka> ok
[15:23:38] <tom3p> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2 section 2.4
[15:24:34] <tom3p> np, i hoped you had some magic for me ;) this was a difficult &slow work around
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[15:48:50] <rooks> mazafaka, forest? nah, im a suburbian so i guess ill be looking at such setting as that guy from "growing your own greens" youtube chan :)
[15:50:07] <mazafaka> So, you have a backyard?
[15:52:36] <mazafaka> try to create some compost bed, and also a place for pumpkin or something. Use layers of grass and add some soil to it, but go not shovel too much, it's in long run unnatural, too
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[16:02:50] <mazafaka> We in Russia are granted with e.g. 20 x 30 meters (so-called 6 x 10 meters squared) area of former agricultural fields, many people have some houses (e.g. 3x5 meters), a toilet. It is in addition to apartments in block of flats in the town. It is possible to live in Winter or just visiting it in winter, but at the spring this territory is flooded (river is shallow, ice is blocking the current) and dangerous.
[16:03:43] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[16:05:01] <psha> Loetmichel: how's car? unlocked?
[16:05:25] <mazafaka> yes, with help of ADAC
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[16:07:44] <Loetmichel> psha: [16:21:13] <Loetmichel> ok, ADAC was here: car is open. The tech from ADAC has just bigger cojones than me: he has bend the door about 5cm at the top to get his metal pin in to open the door
[16:07:44] <Loetmichel> [16:21:19] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[16:08:12] <mazafaka> It looks so (at TV) that most of the people prefer to ask someone to paint a gasoline tank, for example, than to do it themselves. Is it true?
[16:08:19] <mazafaka> 23:10
[16:08:32] <Loetmichel> mazafaka: paint?
[16:08:40] <Loetmichel> where is the problem?
[16:09:04] <Loetmichel> cutting with a angle grinder or welding: whole other story. ;-)
[16:09:08] <mazafaka> yes, and air compressor, is it common to have this stuff in the garage, or it is a relatively rear thing
[16:09:53] <Loetmichel> mazafaka: that depends: which region/country
[16:10:12] <mazafaka> is it true that abroad Russia there are many tiny firms where you can order to paint something (a car, for example).
[16:10:36] <Loetmichel> in germany i would estimate about every tenth car owner has a Air comprassor and necessary pait pistol
[16:10:39] <Loetmichel> paint
[16:11:27] <mazafaka> I just plan to refurbish some stuff for free for a start, but later start to take orders. Friend can draw pictures freehand.
[16:12:05] <mazafaka> seriously? for what? Why to paint one car so often or regularly?
[16:12:37] <psha> Loetmichel: aha :D
[16:12:41] <psha> Loetmichel: i'd told you! :D
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[16:16:13] <Loetmichel> mazafaka: not only for painting the car
[16:16:54] <mazafaka> for painting the house, for example, right?
[16:16:56] <Loetmichel> but in germany there are many people with the ability and will to do something themselves
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[16:17:03] <Loetmichel> yes
[16:17:16] <Loetmichel> or buildt furniture
[16:18:22] <mazafaka> but not many people repair their bikes in an interesting manner, they rather chasing an idea to built a candy. Or maybe I'm thinking wrong.
[16:19:27] <mazafaka> I just have bought the angle grinder and realized I could spend much less than several month to remove the paint.
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[16:44:39] <alex4nder> hey
[16:47:17] <rooks> mazafaka, im currently back to my parents house, in block but on the first floor, so we have access to garden if i ever wanted to (neighbours do have ornamental gardens). but im moving abroad soon so i dont feel like starting anything serious at the moment
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[17:00:43] <IchGuckLive> Hi all araound the world
[17:05:07] <alex4nder> hai
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[17:14:50] <IchGuckLive> last sunrise in orbit http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/nasa-hd-tv
[17:15:01] <IchGuckLive> iss undocking
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[17:26:00] <danimal_garage> hi
[17:26:44] <anonimasu> pcw_home: are you there?
[17:30:25] <JT-Shop> hi Dan
[17:31:04] <danimal_garage> Hi John
[17:31:23] <danimal_garage> Hey, i scored a few machines yesterdat
[17:31:28] <danimal_garage> yesterday*
[17:31:33] <JT-Shop> cool, what did you get?
[17:31:37] <danimal_garage> i might sell them though
[17:31:40] <syyl> pics or it didnt happen :D
[17:32:15] <danimal_garage> i got a davis and wells bandsaw, a big old craftsman drill press, and a craftsman 12x36? lathe made my clausing
[17:32:22] <danimal_garage> by*
[17:32:32] <JT-Shop> cool
[17:32:49] <danimal_garage> the lathe was on a steel cabinet loaded with stuff
[17:32:53] <JT-Shop> my wife decided she wants me to trike out her bike
[17:32:56] * anonimasu orders a 8i20
[17:33:01] <anonimasu> err 5i20
[17:33:12] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Pimp Her Ride!
[17:33:13] <danimal_garage> a few nice mics, a bunch of morse taper drills, etc
[17:33:23] <danimal_garage> what kind of bike?
[17:33:33] <JT-Shop> GZ250
[17:33:54] <danimal_garage> ah, cool
[17:34:32] <JT-Shop> yea, I gotta come up with some axles or make some
[17:34:56] <anonimasu> will the 5i21 fit emc?
[17:34:56] <danimal_garage> shouldnt be too bad
[17:35:10] <danimal_garage> what are you going to run for wheels? Car wheels?
[17:35:22] <JT-Shop> no, it should be pretty simple
[17:35:42] <JT-Shop> yea, if I can find some thin ones that are 15"
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[17:36:39] <danimal_garage> how about a quad rear end?
[17:37:00] <JT-Shop> ?
[17:37:03] <danimal_garage> might be able to mod the swingarm and everything to work with it
[17:37:11] <danimal_garage> a 4 wheeler
[17:37:28] <danimal_garage> already has a sprocket and shock mounts
[17:37:36] <JT-Shop> oh ok, might be a place to start good idea
[17:38:11] <danimal_garage> they're typically 4 lug
[17:38:31] <anonimasu> what kind of mesa card is the best choice?
[17:38:33] <danimal_garage> might be able to make it fit 4x100 bolt pattern wheels (most 4 lug cars)
[17:38:43] <anonimasu> I want a 5i20/perferably 5i22 to have extra io
[17:39:00] <JT-Shop> I'll get my neighbor on the hunt for one
[17:39:09] <JT-Shop> he is a wheeler and dealer
[17:39:12] <syyl> i'm happy with my 5i20 :D
[17:39:21] <danimal_garage> that guy i got the machines from was going to give me a quad
[17:39:24] <JT-Shop> I'm happy with my 2 5i20's
[17:39:34] <danimal_garage> but i was planning on riding it
[17:39:57] <JT-Shop> hmm, mill is calling
[17:39:59] <danimal_garage> he has a hang glider too!
[17:40:06] <anonimasu> 5i20 should be enough for my app I think
[17:40:14] <danimal_garage> mine too, i need to get some work done
[17:40:20] <Jymmm> Are there such things as toolless rivets? Or just those pop-in ones?
[17:40:55] <danimal_garage> jymm i use my vice to squish solid rivets
[17:41:07] <syyl> explosive rivets! :D
[17:41:25] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: This would be an end-user sorta thing. "Some assembly required"
[17:41:35] <danimal_garage> i use 1/8" stainless rivets
[17:41:42] <syyl> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUEbePVyS3c
[17:41:48] <syyl> almost tool-less ;)
[17:41:57] <danimal_garage> ah, no dice then, most people don't have 6" Kurt vices kicking around
[17:42:23] <anonimasu> next questio is will that work with the 8i20?
[17:42:58] <Jymmm> syyl: Just add gas stove or firepit!
[17:43:10] <syyl> jep
[17:43:13] <syyl> simple as hell :D
[17:43:48] <Jymmm> I need to make a frame out of aluminum 'L' channel that someoen could assemble themselves. I just dont want the extra labor of tapping all the holes.
[17:44:00] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: they do have push in rivets if plastic will do
[17:44:27] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: are there metal versions?
[17:44:46] <JT-Shop> I've not seen any, so I don't know
[17:44:50] <Jymmm> ok
[17:45:21] <Jymmm> The plastics might be fine, once fully assemebled and the sides attached for added strength/rigidity
[17:46:28] <Jymmm> If I had an automated way to countersink/tap, it wouldn't be an issue.
[17:46:40] <Jymmm> ^drill/
[17:47:05] <danimal_garage> i'm having trouble bleeding my hydraulic cylnder in my tool changer
[17:47:24] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: "cut the hoses off"
[17:48:01] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Uh, don't do that actually =)
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[17:48:31] <danimal_garage> hardy har
[17:48:45] <Jymmm> This is interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wf-mwytdurQ&feature=related
[17:48:58] <JT-Shop> can't get to the fitting?
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[17:49:08] <Jymmm> I've never seen that 1st tool he used before
[17:49:17] <syyl> those are great Jymmm
[17:49:23] <syyl> instantthread :D
[17:49:38] <syyl> nice for electrical cabinet building
[17:50:25] <Jymmm> Hmmmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7DQ-1hnhik&NR=1&feature=fvwp
[17:51:57] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop: there's really no fittings, just a tube that runs from one end to the other with a flow control valve. The cylnder is air actuated
[17:52:08] <danimal_garage> but it hangs up
[17:53:54] <IchGuckLive> 29,99
[17:54:03] <IchGuckLive> in homedepo 4,99
[17:54:23] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: for?
[17:54:53] <IchGuckLive> plastic gun and "Nieten"
[17:55:01] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Ah
[17:55:20] <IchGuckLive> rivet
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[18:00:24] <IchGuckLive> is there a pitstop repair point in the USA alover ?
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[18:05:02] <IchGuckLive> Till Tomorrow Bye
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[18:06:35] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: http://www.casscountychoppers.com/gpage.html
[18:08:01] <danimal_garage> that's what the bike costs lol
[18:08:46] <danimal_garage> nice kit though
[18:09:12] <JT-Shop> I got this one for $1500 with 1000 miles on it
[18:10:00] <danimal_garage> yea the little bikes are cheap
[18:10:05] <JT-Shop> I thought it was interesting to look at and maybe get some ideas from
[18:10:17] <danimal_garage> yea you can make it yourself pretty easily
[18:10:48] <JT-Shop> yea, I want to make a wider swing arm to take the load better I think
[18:11:02] <danimal_garage> you probably have a better shop than they do!
[18:13:40] <JT-Shop> LOL
[18:14:13] <JT-Shop> I wonder how important a differential would be rather than a solid fixed axle
[18:15:49] * cpresser votes for quite important... at least if you dont drive each curve with one wheel in the air :)
[18:15:59] <alex4nder> haha
[18:16:11] <cpresser> even the cheapest RC-model cars have a differential gear
[18:16:32] <alex4nder> yah, I've driven some fullsized cars with solid diffs.
[18:16:38] <alex4nder> I wouldn't recommend that.
[18:18:13] <cpresser> a car with a switchable differential is quite cool for driving through mud.
[18:18:46] <cpresser> otherwise you might end up with one wheel 'in the air' spinning
[18:18:56] <mazafaka> why do you want such trike, JT-Shop and danimal_garage ?
[18:19:11] <alex4nder> cpresser: yah, but through the magic of limited slip, and computer controlled diffs, that stuff can be managed automatically.
[18:19:16] <alex4nder> which is great, until it breaks.
[18:19:49] <cpresser> alex4nder: your last sentence applies to virtually everything :D
[18:20:05] <alex4nder> cpresser: of course, but things break more gracefully than others
[18:20:13] <danimal_garage> i don't want one, it's for JT-Shop's wife
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[18:20:25] <alex4nder> JT-Shop: you should just get her a miata
[18:20:43] <alex4nder> that's what I tell people to get who think a motorcycle might be fun
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[18:21:06] <mazafaka> they are more dangerous than two-wheel bikes in my opinion.
[18:21:28] <alex4nder> yah, all of the downsides, none of the upsides.
[18:21:38] <danimal_garage> I don't think JT-Shop would allow a miata in his driveway
[18:21:40] <danimal_garage> lol
[18:21:42] <alex4nder> haha
[18:21:49] <danimal_garage> what would his neighbors say
[18:22:01] <Jymmm> the gators?
[18:22:12] <JT-Shop> If I want to go fast with the top down we ride the BlueWing :)
[18:22:15] <alex4nder> the miata is a kick ass car, especially if you don't mind driving a really feminine vehicle.
[18:22:56] <alex4nder> with a roll bar, they're even safe.
[18:22:56] <Jymmm> I drove a miata once... My head was ABOVE the windshield! Looked like a clown car
[18:23:05] <alex4nder> yah
[18:23:13] <mazafaka> you can make it men-friendly wearing transparent t-shirt and moustaches, I think
[18:23:20] <syyl> had that problem with a fiat 500
[18:23:21] <danimal_garage> i like torque too much to even consider a miata
[18:23:29] <syyl> could look out of the sunroof
[18:23:29] <mazafaka> *mustaches
[18:23:34] <syyl> while sitting
[18:23:42] <alex4nder> danimal_garage: tell that to the miata with the SBC V8 I raced.
[18:23:57] <alex4nder> I was like.. why are that miata's fenders so blistered.
[18:23:59] <danimal_garage> i don't own anything that is not powered by a v8
[18:24:05] <alex4nder> heh
[18:24:12] <alex4nder> I do,. many things. ;)
[18:24:20] <syyl> your lathe?
[18:24:27] <syyl> also v8 powered? :D
[18:24:45] <danimal_garage> anything in my driveway*
[18:25:01] <syyl> ;)
[18:25:16] <mazafaka> everything in my driveway have two pedals: left aand right, it's a bicycle
[18:25:28] <alex4nder> everything in my driveway is japanese
[18:25:33] <danimal_garage> i park my bicycles in the house
[18:25:41] <mazafaka> i also
[18:25:47] <sliptonic> I'm trying to tweak a HeeksCNC postprocessor for emc2 to do manual tool change like documented here: http://jager.no/news/calibrating-tool-length-with-a-probe-in-emc2. Setting the tool length offset uses a syntax like this: G43.1 k[#5063-#1000] (set new tool offset). Can someone tell me where that syntax is documented. That 'k' is messing me up.
[18:25:59] <danimal_garage> my hallway looks like a bike lane lol
[18:26:21] <danimal_garage> i tried japanese cars, they can't handle the abuse
[18:26:44] <alex4nder> haha
[18:26:51] <mazafaka> they are dirty, how often do you clean their chains wit, say, water and soap and brush?
[18:27:10] <alex4nder> danimal_garage: that's a pretty broad generalization
[18:27:14] <danimal_garage> mazafaka, never. i use a dry lube, they stay clean
[18:27:25] <mazafaka> dry lube?
[18:27:38] <mazafaka> how so?
[18:27:59] <danimal_garage> just google dry lube, it's pretty common
[18:28:26] <danimal_garage> it's not axtually dry, but it keeps the chain from getting all cruddy
[18:28:34] <jdhNC> ignore the hormone replacement ads in the google results
[18:29:32] <danimal_garage> alex4nder: i've had close to 20 vehicles, if not more... every jap car died within 6 months or less
[18:29:48] <alex4nder> danimal_garage: that sucks
[18:29:58] <alex4nder> I feel the same way about american cars.
[18:30:15] <alex4nder> well that's been my experience anyway
[18:30:42] <danimal_garage> i had 2 civics, one only had 54k on it. spun a rod bearing by 64k
[18:30:46] <alex4nder> european cars do a bit better, but the repairs are ridiculous.
[18:31:48] <danimal_garage> as for solid abuse on a daily basis (and i'm talking maybe 3k miles out of a set of tires), i have not found anything that holds up better than a large displacement american motor
[18:32:17] <alex4nder> what's large displacement?
[18:32:22] <alex4nder> like over 5 liters?
[18:32:37] <danimal_garage> my buick 3.8l was pretty tough
[18:32:46] <danimal_garage> but the smallest i have now is a 4.6
[18:32:53] <alex4nder> modular ford?
[18:32:57] <danimal_garage> yes
[18:33:01] <alex4nder> yah, those motors are OK
[18:33:20] <alex4nder> the buick 3.8 was one of the best V6s that america ever made though. ;)
[18:33:24] <danimal_garage> and a sbc 350 in my van, 284k
[18:33:43] <danimal_garage> doesn't burn a drop of oil
[18:33:47] <mazafaka> danimal_garage: and what notorcycle do you have?
[18:34:06] <danimal_garage> shhh lol
[18:34:10] <alex4nder> haha
[18:34:21] <alex4nder> a buell? ;)
[18:34:27] <danimal_garage> no
[18:34:38] <danimal_garage> yamaha
[18:34:42] <mazafaka> what style of motorcycle? dirt?
[18:34:48] <alex4nder> haha
[18:34:48] <danimal_garage> but it was only $100
[18:35:11] <danimal_garage> hardtail custom built street bike
[18:35:37] <mazafaka> and what yamaha?
[18:35:39] <danimal_garage> but there are no american bike companies
[18:35:48] <danimal_garage> other than harley, and that's not my thing
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[18:35:54] <danimal_garage> xj650
[18:36:14] <mazafaka> Mine is 28 HP, 160 kg, custom-painted non-standart suspension Jupiter 4
[18:36:17] <jdhNC> I have a toyota with 125k miles, no failures of any kind... traded in a GMC yesterday with 140k miles for another gmc
[18:36:23] <danimal_garage> http://www.thechopperunderground.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=50575&st=0
[18:36:55] <danimal_garage> my mustang has 164k on it
[18:37:04] <danimal_garage> but they are VERY hard miles
[18:37:05] <mazafaka> How do you normally make the changes to be officially approved?
[18:37:16] <danimal_garage> officially approved?
[18:37:23] <danimal_garage> no such thing lol
[18:37:27] <mazafaka> very hard with what? Speeding?
[18:38:00] <danimal_garage> not so much speeding, just cornering in the canyons or hard acceleration
[18:40:14] <mazafaka> My bike was like this 30 years ago, now it's like a... spaceship http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/131487/
[18:41:03] <mazafaka> Acceleration... uhu... I only accelerate on wet ground roads, on asphalt tyres.
[18:41:22] <danimal_garage> as for normal driving, most cars today will last far into the 100k mile range without too many issues.
[18:41:25] <mazafaka> My bike is 30 years old.
[18:41:31] <danimal_garage> so is mine
[18:42:07] <danimal_garage> looks good!
[18:42:10] <mazafaka> my is lacking the colour. It is covered with transparent lacquer for cars.
[18:43:08] <mazafaka> it's nice, but the sidecar's bottom of mine was rusty (there were many holes) and I decided to repair everything in it. Couldn't change anything, it is forbidden.
[18:43:29] <alex4nder> mazafaka: which country?
[18:43:38] <mazafaka> it has more rigid springs in front fork, they are from Ural.
[18:44:11] <mazafaka> alex4nder: in Russia, I will have to spent USD 1K or 2K to register motorcycle with changes.
[18:44:12] <danimal_garage> we don't have many restrictions on changing vehicles here
[18:44:45] <alex4nder> mazafaka: here in California they only get angry if you remove all your safety equipment, or change your emissions gear with tested/certified equipment.
[18:45:03] <danimal_garage> ah, you're in CA?
[18:45:07] <danimal_garage> what part?
[18:45:11] <alex4nder> the emissions gear should apply to most of the US, but they don't check, so nobody cares.
[18:45:18] <alex4nder> danimal_garage: central,. santa barbara
[18:45:23] <danimal_garage> cool
[18:45:23] <mazafaka> i have also bought second motorcycle and repaired it for sell, ceanded every detail behind the motor at home, in water with wash detergent, and brush.
[18:45:29] <danimal_garage> i'm in San Diego
[18:45:31] <alex4nder> ah cool
[18:45:54] <alex4nder> I lived in downtown SD for a year,. in little italy
[18:46:32] <danimal_garage> nice
[18:46:39] <danimal_garage> i'm in North County
[18:46:42] <danimal_garage> Escondido
[18:46:51] <alex4nder> nice
[18:47:36] <alex4nder> cool, my stepper motor power supply is showing up a day early
[18:47:41] <mazafaka> alex4nder: People in Moscow simply register old Urals as single, here it's impossible - local road police office simply will not considering it because our old Urals have special line in their manual: "motorcycle is intended to use with sidecar"
[18:48:07] <alex4nder> mazafaka: do you have to take it to an engineer and get it signed off if you want to go single?
[18:48:19] <mazafaka> no, impossible
[18:48:24] <alex4nder> in California, they don't really have a distinction between a sidecar and not, it's all the same.
[18:48:35] <alex4nder> ah, lame.
[18:48:40] <mazafaka> the only way to change something in it and register as modified
[18:49:05] <alex4nder> mazafaka: here I could take a bath tub, attach a emissions legal engine to it, add tail lights, head lights, and a windshield, and go and register it.
[18:49:22] <alex4nder> they'd slap a VIN on it, and I'd have a new car.
[18:49:22] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: http://www.mcworx.com/rearend_exploded_drawing.htm
[18:49:36] <JT-Shop> http://www.mcworx.com/fstrikerearends.html
[18:49:47] <psha> alex4nder: unfortunately it's not so easy here...
[18:49:59] <alex4nder> psha: move to Arizona
[18:50:06] <alex4nder> there you don't even need the emissions gear.
[18:50:08] <mazafaka> alex4nder: why do americans need buicks and fords then?
[18:50:20] <alex4nder> mazafaka: buicks and fords are pre-made bathtubs with engines
[18:50:31] <alex4nder> americans won't build their own because they're lazy
[18:50:40] <danimal_garage> lol
[18:50:57] <mazafaka> wow...
[18:51:02] <alex4nder> I'd love it if in order to drive, you had to build your own car.
[18:51:31] <alex4nder> there'd be a bunch of 800 RWHP kit cars on the highway, and nothing else.
[18:51:43] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop: is it a solid diferential?
[18:51:58] <danimal_garage> i dont see gears or anything
[18:52:08] <JT-Shop> it has gears
[18:52:46] <JT-Shop> the cad drawing doesn't show them
[18:53:21] <mazafaka> this is from BMW's motorcycles, this thing instead of chain?
[18:55:29] * JT-Shop thinks I need to visit the junk yard and get a small car rear axle
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[18:56:29] <alex4nder> yah, maybe something from an 80s econo toyota
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[18:56:50] <JT-Shop> all of those are still on the road
[18:57:02] <alex4nder> I take it you don't know about 'drifting'
[18:57:18] <alex4nder> because I assure you, I've seen more wrecked RWD Toyotas than I care to mention. :(
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[19:00:54] <psha> alex4nder: nono, thanks :) i'm happy with stock car (at least now)
[19:01:05] <psha> and tuning offroad vechicles don't required registration :)
[19:01:44] <alex4nder> nice
[19:02:03] <mazafaka> How have you painted it, danimal_garage ?
[19:02:21] <mazafaka> hah, offroad vehicle must belong to you for a start
[19:02:28] <danimal_garage> no
[19:02:41] <mazafaka> or any patrol will have taken it
[19:03:00] <mazafaka> danimal_garage: what 'no' ? You haven't finished it yet?
[19:03:47] <psha> mazafaka: yea, you register it first (in stock, without mods) and that tune it as you like (to some extent)
[19:03:49] <mazafaka> I do not know where to fix the accumulator (100x100x150) on my bike.
[19:04:07] <mazafaka> psha: yeah, this is one way, right.
[19:04:17] <psha> sure if you take base from gaz 66 and put some small chasis on it you'll have problems
[19:04:26] <psha> but you may register it as traktor :)
[19:04:43] <mazafaka> psha: but you will have to haul it on some 'vehicle with wheels'
[19:05:18] <mazafaka> you think? what if you need to get it to the region centre at first?
[19:06:01] <JT-Shop> 'drifting' must be a local term...
[19:07:18] <mazafaka> psha: lacking money for the built, I nevertheless ("Always More!!!") started to rebuild my motorcycle: (no photos are made yet) http://motobratva.ru/blogs/izh-yupiter-4-peredelannyj.html
[19:08:10] <mazafaka> 'drifting' is something about the gases, bad digestion maybe
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[19:09:29] <mazafaka> So far, I have a second motorcycle in the garage - but spending time with computer already a month.
[19:10:02] <robin_sz> 2 bikes?
[19:10:06] <mazafaka> this one turns to illegal flat tracker, though will be with a neat gas tank
[19:10:54] <mazafaka> robin_sz: second one is for sell, I have taken it from friend, for, say, 5 gallons of beer
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[19:11:56] <mazafaka> i only didn't disassemble the engine - everything else is clean and revised.
[19:12:19] <robin_sz> 4 cyl 400?
[19:12:34] <mazafaka> Problem with engine would cost about USD 150 - i.e. 8 gallons of beer.
[19:12:46] <psha> mazafaka: nice article
[19:12:59] <mazafaka> robin_sz: danimal arage has yamaha xj650, not me
[19:13:23] <mazafaka> psha: motocafe.ru will write about this bike when i give them photos
[19:13:27] <robin_sz> the one in pieces in the photo is an xs650?
[19:13:36] <robin_sz> strange wheels for an XS650
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[19:15:30] <robin_sz> mazafaka, this is mine: https://picasaweb.google.com/robin.szemeti/MiscBikePhotos#5620823089175458482
[19:16:04] <robin_sz> and this: https://picasaweb.google.com/robin.szemeti/MiscBikePhotos#5617057466979288322
[19:16:15] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: the differential must be in the center part http://www.mcworx.com/FS30rear.html
[19:16:35] <robin_sz> and this: https://picasaweb.google.com/robin.szemeti/Bikes?authkey=Gv1sRgCObThsOs1P_ZJg#5558379025430644514
[19:16:36] <danimal_garage> sweet that lathe had a nice tapping head in the drawers
[19:16:40] <mazafaka> robin_sz: and my Izh Jupiter 4 is like http://www.bikepics.com/pictures/131487/ , Izh Jupiter 5 is almost the same
[19:17:32] <robin_sz> ah OK, like the Jawa?
[19:17:39] <robin_sz> or CZ?
[19:17:45] <robin_sz> looks similar
[19:17:55] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop: yea, looks like it
[19:19:07] <mazafaka> robin_sz: trial bike is very nice thing. I myself after the back injured at young age can not do many tricks (also currently relatively quickly getting back all i missed), so i myself cycling for hours not sitting on the seat. I very want trial bike. But need to work to get one for money.
[19:19:28] <mazafaka> So just plan catching on road bike on ground roads.
[19:19:43] <robin_sz> I always wanted to try one, so this winter i bought one
[19:20:02] <robin_sz> I cannot really do many tricks, but, I can balance well and ride one wheel etc
[19:20:34] <robin_sz> its easy to balance without moving for > 10 minutes when you practice a little
[19:20:39] <mazafaka> fear of varicose in legs if stay on leg through long trip
[19:20:55] <mazafaka> wow, i can not balance.
[19:21:04] <robin_sz> can you stand up?
[19:21:11] <robin_sz> if you can, you can balance
[19:21:24] <robin_sz> its easy on trials bike with 1 hour practice
[19:21:52] <mazafaka> (But I have accidentally hit the car on my MTB 50 kilometers away when I turned back to home, and escaped.)
[19:22:10] <robin_sz> heh
[19:22:20] <mazafaka> so, i cycle through about 100 kilometers of hills on my MTB with easy.
[19:22:36] <robin_sz> well, you need o find a trials bike then :)
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[19:22:49] <robin_sz> you are fitter than me
[19:23:09] <mazafaka> no, i can not ride on one wheel or stand up. it's like quadro-impossible for me. For a while. plan to change it.
[19:23:45] <mazafaka> i'm raw vegan and therefore very durable.
[19:25:14] <mazafaka> robin_sz: Jawa is from Czech, this is Russian Izh Jupiter
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[19:29:34] <mazafaka> Speaking of any real off-road - it's too rare happening thing. I loved to use heavy bike (Ural, single motorcycle 247 kg) on ground roads, after rain. Even 20 minutes of ride is a ride.
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[19:52:38] <anonimasu> what is the name is the cables for the mesa boards?
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[19:53:15] <KimK_afk> anonimasu: ribbon cables?
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[19:54:51] <Tom_itx> idc
[19:54:59] <Tom_itx> hey KimK
[19:55:13] <KimK> Hi Tom_itx
[19:55:15] <Tom_itx> anonimasu, find some old scsi cables
[19:56:06] <JT-Shop> anonimasu: 50 pin ribbon cables
[19:56:23] <KimK> Tom_itx: How did the weekend treat you with catching up on the water and laptops?
[19:56:26] <JT-Shop> pretty rare in my junk box
[19:56:37] <danimal_garage> John, i found a self reversing tapping head in the drawer of the lathe
[19:57:10] <Tom_itx> KimK, finally got water back around 3am
[19:57:39] <KimK> Tom_itx: Congrats! I'll bet the Mrs. was happy!
[19:57:39] * Tom_itx thinks JT-Shop, isn't much of a computer geek if he has no scsi cables
[19:57:44] <Tom_itx> yup
[19:58:00] <Tom_itx> i cheated on the laptops
[19:58:07] <Tom_itx> and ghosted another one to it
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[20:07:44] <Tom_itx> http://ca.mouser.com/ProductDetail/TE-Connectivity-AMP/1658623-6/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtsLRyDR9nM18mJd%252baLxMG9Gx9l0SA0kMI%3d
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[20:09:01] <archivist_emc> andypugh, no more Myford
[20:09:40] <andypugh> I thought I said that last night>
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[20:09:59] <archivist_emc> I never saw that, I got an email today
[20:10:21] <archivist_emc> http://www.myford.com/
[20:10:40] <archivist_emc> only up the road could have gone to the sale
[20:11:26] <andypugh> You recall discusing how a second-hand industrial lathe with actual bearings in the spindle was a better bet than a 50s relic?
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[20:13:07] <archivist_emc> yes but then probably went back out into the garage to attack copper
[20:13:11] <mazafaka> they will have sold the stuff, and re-open then
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[20:14:03] <archivist_emc> rumour has it that RDG have bought the IP and spares
[20:14:50] <andypugh> RDG of Mytholmroyd?
[20:15:08] <andypugh> Taking machine-tool manufacturing where it belongs?
[20:15:18] <archivist_emc> nothing on their website to confirm
[20:18:32] <syyl> i want a myford milling machine
[20:18:46] <syyl> looks like a mini bridgeport :D
[20:19:08] <archivist_emc> its just an import if one of the recent ones
[20:19:21] <syyl> realy?
[20:19:32] <syyl> sad
[20:22:01] <archivist_emc> it was obvious from my visit to last years open day that things were quiet for the company, the manufacture date on a "new" mill was about 4 years old iirc
[20:22:13] <syyl> :(
[20:23:18] <andypugh> man git shows git-send-email. git-send-email returns "command not found" huh?
[20:24:49] <psha> andypugh: git send-email
[20:25:02] <psha> git-subcommand type of commands are deprecated since 1.6
[20:25:08] <andypugh> andypugh@mill:~/emc2-dev$ git send-email
[20:25:09] <andypugh> git: 'send-email' is not a git command. See 'git --help'.
[20:25:18] <psha> separate package maybe
[20:25:29] <psha> git-email
[20:26:27] <psha> http://www.husqvarna.com/int/construction/products/demolition-robots-product-range/dxr-310/
[20:26:28] <andypugh> looks promising
[20:26:30] <psha> home one :)
[20:26:46] <psha> The DXR 310 passes through all normal doorways since it’s just 78 cm wide.
[20:26:57] <psha> and now it's time to sleep
[20:27:00] <psha> bb all
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[20:51:16] <mrsunshine__> wow
[20:51:22] <mrsunshine__> a roller did all the difference when spotting
[20:51:30] <mrsunshine__> alot more even and good spotting =)
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[22:19:44] <danimal_garage> yawn
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[22:36:08] <tom3p> any success with dual pci riser on D510MO mobos?
[22:36:33] <danimal_garage> good question
[22:36:40] <danimal_garage> i wish i had room for another 5i20
[22:36:57] <Tom_itx> probably introduce noise
[22:37:17] <andypugh> I struggled to get any riser at all to work. I have three which stop the machine even booting. I ended up with one of the ribbon-cable flexible ones.
[22:37:23] <Tom_itx> where do you get em?
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[22:38:06] <Tom_itx> andypugh, is the ribbon grounded every other wire?
[22:38:30] <andypugh> I think it is an exact pin-to-wire correspondence
[22:38:39] <Tom_itx> hmm
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[22:39:18] <tom3p> http://www.morex.com.tw/products/productdetail.php?fd_id=46 http://www.dfi-acp.de/content/eng/prodView.asp?pi=RC-X100-2PC2&ix=2206 http://www.logicsupply.com/products/pci201_32
[22:39:48] <tom3p> they lay the extra card out to side of mobo, not over the mobo
[22:40:07] <tom3p> cards
[22:40:38] <andypugh> Hmm, searching I just found a D945GSEJT which is an intel mini-itx atom board with a 12V input jack. Handy.
[22:41:35] <JT-Shop> finish coat of paint on ceiling... check
[22:43:47] <tom3p> JT-michelangelo
[22:44:23] <tom3p> has anyone had success with a dual riser?
[22:44:32] <Tom_itx> systern chapel?
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[22:46:49] <andypugh> tom3p: This document from Intel says that the D510MO can support a dual PCI riser card.
[22:46:51] <andypugh> http://downloadmirror.intel.com/18357/eng/D510MO_ProductGuide01_English.pdf
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[22:50:16] <tom3p> andypugh thx i read that, but also intel site has probs ( of course ) & heres a dual flexi one in UK http://linitx.com/product/11480
[22:50:43] <tom3p> seems the irqs are hard coded to slots
[22:51:21] <tom3p> http://www.dfi-acp.de/datasheets/product/Riserkarten/X100-2PC2.pdf
[22:51:29] <andypugh> Yes, just looking at that. If you search the part number MAR121-J you find others
[22:52:07] <tom3p> not sure its morex, seems its a cheap board to build so lotsa makers
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[22:53:15] <tom3p> oh well, it'd be nice to use a disposable parport and a 5i20
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[23:26:09] <JT-Shop> why in the f@#k does every piece of software want to add F#$$%^&g Yahoo to your tool bar... it is such a pain in the A$$ to git rid of it
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