#emc | Logs for 2011-06-04

[00:00:38] <jcizek> JT-Shop: That code you just pasted, that works fine for me too, the problem comes when you make a second cut
[00:01:12] <jcizek> JT-Shop: Is that a problem with the post possibly? Not cancelling something?
[00:02:06] <JT-Shop> could be, I'll have to look at it and run some dry runs to see where I fouled up... I've been using that code for a few years now :/
[00:02:27] * JT-Shop is chef of the day
[00:02:35] <JT-Shop> gotta run and do some prep work
[00:02:38] * KimK says, "Those who live by G91, die by G91"
[00:02:46] <JT-Shop> LOL
[00:04:47] <jcizek> JT: I take that back, I tried to run that code you just pastebinned, and it doesn't actually run. it does nothing :-) It completes successfuly, but never doesn't move the machine at all!
[00:04:58] <KimK> G91 is like Dilbert's advice about what to do with the ISO9000 binder, "Treat it like a dead raccoon and pass it on to the next person as quickly as possible."
[00:06:13] <KimK> OK, I'll quit whining now, lol.
[00:06:26] <jcizek> Nice! I like that one... hadn't seen that dlibert :)
[00:07:09] <KimK> It goes back a few years, one of their classics. I might not have quoted it correctly.
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[00:09:36] <KimK> I shouldn't say that stuff here I guess. I use G91 when I have to. I just make sure I always return to the same point I was when I did the G90->G91 as I am when I do the G91->G90.
[00:09:53] <jcizek> I sure wish I understood this stuff better... I have found that the EMC manuals are fantastic learning tools, but can't find squat on learning what all the special Gcode stuff does
[00:11:24] <KimK> Funny you should say that. I'm working on Docs now. What do you think is needed? Please be specific, "More pictures of stuff!" is not that helpful.
[00:12:49] <KimK> Maybe I should ask this way: What questions do you have? (Maybe I can direct you to some manual section I might know of.)
[00:12:53] <jcizek> Well here is a specific example. In that code I pasted is a line: G38.2 Z-1.75 I have easily found that G38 is a probing operation. What I can't figure out is how you tie that to my actual Float switch input, and what is teh Z- after?
[00:13:24] <jcizek> There is no description in the docs about anything coming after a G38
[00:14:22] <jcizek> an explanation or even an example of a G38 in real world would be super helpful
[00:15:13] <jcizek> sort of a "man page" for gcodes. The top explains what it is, then the options follow, then an example of it being used at the bottom
[00:15:30] <jcizek> does that make sense or am I dreaming of pie in the sky?
[00:16:03] <KimK> The locations after the G38 form the destination point. The move end when the probe arrives there, if nothing is contacted first.
[00:16:27] <KimK> s/ end when/ends when/
[00:16:38] <jcizek> ok, now THAT makes a lot of sense!
[00:16:57] <andypugh> jcizek: You have found http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode.html ?
[00:17:32] <KimK> This assumes a probe input to HAL and to EMC, as I recall.
[00:17:42] <andypugh> The G38 section really should mention at least the name of the HAL pin that controls probing. (It doesn't)
[00:18:25] <KimK> OK, I'll add something about that. And a little more on the destination point business.
[00:18:25] <jdhNC> one could argue that point, but...
[00:18:57] <jdhNC> maybe a link to the section on probes
[00:19:02] <KimK> jdhNC: Yes? Please continue, I like a good argument, lol! No, no arguments here.
[00:19:23] <jdhNC> it's a gcode doc, not a hal doc
[00:19:32] <jcizek> andypugh: I had not seen that page yet, but that is very helpful.
[00:19:39] <jdhNC> but, a link to a probe entry would be nice
[00:19:57] <jcizek> jdhNC: Yes, you are right, but one problem is that it is not intuitive to someone new to this on how to connect the 2
[00:20:23] <jcizek> jdhNC: I finally found the info in the Integrators manual, but it took me a LOT of searching to connect those dots!
[00:21:52] <jcizek> so KimK: that's a good point... it's not like the docs arent good, or aren't there, but it's not always easy to find the connection between docs
[00:22:18] <jdhNC> the integrators manual seems to have everything you need to get EMC running on a machine
[00:22:31] <jdhNC> might be better named though
[00:22:42] <andypugh> I strongly advocate mentioning the relevant HAL pins in the G38 and G66(etc) sections.
[00:22:48] <KimK> I'm trying to improve/repair the Indexes, maybe that will help?
[00:23:37] <andypugh> Anyway, goodnight all
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[00:24:13] <KimK> andypugh: I agree, good idea. I'll fix it. Goodnight. Boy, he's quick. Or I'm slow.
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[00:24:50] <jcizek> I think it's a great idea as well, would have saved me a couple of hours the other night :)
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[00:45:47] <jcizek> Well folks, my frustration factor is once again skyhigh... thanks for the help earlier. I'm outta here...
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[01:19:55] <Aero-tec|2> hello
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[02:13:10] <willburrrr2003> good news is plugging my linux box into the hard line for network got me on the internet, and I finished all my updates to emc and ubuntu.
[02:15:56] <willburrrr2003> badnews is I am getting intermittant limit switch tripping when I am nowhere near the switch. I am assuming that I am getting interference on the wires to the limit switch. I tied the shields of teh wires to my control panel, but the panel itself is not grounded...so I don't think the shields are working. I have heard mention of adding a debounce to the parallel port inputs to fix this, does anyone know how to do this?
[02:18:19] <Tom_itx> http://www.ikalogic.com/debouncing.php
[02:18:22] <Tom_itx> http://www.all-electric.com/schematic/debounce.htm
[02:20:56] <willburrrr2003> there is a way to do it in the software, I would rather figure that out than build a circuit for each channel
[02:21:33] <Tom_itx> i shoot for ~20-30ms reading delay for a valid switch closure
[02:21:46] <Tom_itx> some switches are slower settling
[02:30:35] <pcw_home> http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17909.html
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[03:08:26] <willburrrr2003> What frequency should I run my halscope at?
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[03:22:47] <pcw_home> the same frequency that samples the inputs
[03:22:48] <Tom_itx> servo periods being the main servo loop?
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[03:25:25] <pcw_home> Yes in that example, but I dont think theres any reason not to debounce at the basethread, you just need to run the input sampling and debounce comp on the same thread
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[03:29:38] <Tom_itx> that seems like quite a bit of time
[03:31:51] <willburrrr2003> I'm running halscope with base period, getting frequency of 27.6kHz
[03:50:59] <willburrrr2003> How do I set debounce on the net connection the limit switch to the parallel pin?
[03:51:50] <willburrrr2003> I am seeing interference on the inputs...intermittently
[03:53:27] <pcw_home> http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17909.html
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[05:14:10] <ds3> has anyone seen the reprap mandel machine? if so, any comments on its rigidity overall?
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[05:35:47] <factor> uuug got a dirty signal coming from my pic
[05:36:06] <factor> input from comp - debounce - to pic is fine
[05:36:18] <factor> had to dig out my oscilloscope
[05:36:26] <factor> but found the problem.
[05:38:23] <Valen> ants?
[05:39:10] <factor> it works , but its definitely not a 0 sig
[05:39:23] <factor> enough to casue problems with my debouce
[05:39:31] <factor> outgoing.
[05:39:51] <factor> when you need quick switching for steppers
[05:41:22] <factor> ahh got it
[05:41:51] <factor> needed a pull down resistor on the outgoing data to double h bridge
[05:42:02] <factor> oscilloscopes are a great tool
[05:42:10] <factor> could not see it otherwise
[05:42:35] <factor> banging my head for a few days trying to figure out where the problem was.
[05:43:03] <factor> then dug out my boxes to get it, and seems that all the effort was worth it.
[05:43:46] <factor> so back to the drawing borad to see if I can md this board to do just that
[05:44:40] <factor> clean as a whistle now
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[11:46:38] <JT-Shop> it's going to be a hot one here today heat index >106
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[11:52:13] <El_Matarife> Sounds awful, where are you at?
[11:53:42] <El_Matarife> Dallas might hit 100 today, but it may only make it to 97 or so which is a very small mercy
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[11:59:15] <JT-Shop> Swamp East Missouri
[12:02:32] <El_Matarife> Ugh yeah I've been in Caldwell county on one of those days
[12:02:49] <El_Matarife> even the flies were listless
[12:03:42] <El_Matarife> which is north west I guess but hopefully the climate is relatively similar
[12:05:18] <JT-Shop> I'm just glad I got the garage door up yesterday in the new shop... it's sealed up tighter than a drum now and a cool 68F in there
[12:06:54] <El_Matarife> :( we're going to have to put a radiant barrier and some AC if we want to make it out to the shop at all this summer
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[12:10:50] <JT-Shop> all my machines are in my poorly insulated garage so it gets hot in here even with the AC running
[12:11:22] <JT-Shop> the new shop has R43 in the ceiling, R19 in the walls and R12 for the garage door
[12:11:41] <JT-Shop> and no windows except in the man door
[12:12:53] <HDB10> Hi Guy's, Could anyone assist me in how to force HOME axis A for example from within the program ?
[12:19:59] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
[12:20:58] <JT-Shop> oh from g code?
[12:21:25] <JT-Shop> what does force HOME mean?
[12:27:43] <HDB10> Well what i mean is to have the g code program home the A axis before entering the program instead of doing it manually.
[12:42:30] <HDB10> JT-Shop: Thanks for that. You have saved me quiet a bit of time.
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[12:52:24] <JT-Shop> np
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[15:06:21] <Nick001> JT-Shop - Do you have your Hardinge running with EMC and if so, how are you controlling the turret?
[15:06:47] <JT-Shop> Nick001: I use classicladder for the turret
[15:07:30] <Nick001> do you have the turret down switc active/
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[15:07:49] <JT-Shop> the down prox?
[15:08:28] <Nick001> theres a turret down switch under the turret
[15:08:37] <JT-Shop> yes, I use that
[15:08:59] <JT-Shop> and the absolute encoder
[15:09:25] <Nick001> do you have your ini's posted somewhere?
[15:09:59] <JT-Shop> not completely, give me a few minutes to zip them up and put it on my web site
[15:10:30] * JT-Shop wanders down to the beer cave to do that now
[15:11:24] <Nick001> Ihave the turret running with pico but I get errors and no verification of tool # and no turret down switch
[15:11:49] <Nick001> sorry about the 2 finger typing
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[15:25:16] <jthornton> Nick001: http://gnipsel.com/shop/hardinge/hardinge.xhtml
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[15:28:48] <West0n> Has anyone here used drill rods for slides on a cnc?
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[15:29:44] <Tom_itx> i know someone that has
[15:29:56] <Tom_itx> for a ghetto cnc
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[15:31:37] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop
[15:31:44] <Tom_itx> the 'patch' link isn't working
[15:32:08] <JT-Shop> I'll check it
[15:32:21] <West0n> Are the bent when they come?
[15:32:31] <West0n> Or are they stright?
[15:32:32] <Tom_itx> they shouldn't be
[15:32:53] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: typo on my part
[15:33:10] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, patch is spelled p a t c h
[15:33:36] <Tom_itx> sry, it's just the sat morning mood
[15:35:01] * JT-Shop smacks Tom_itx with a frozen mackerel
[15:37:12] <jthornton> ok, the link is fixed
[15:37:32] * jthornton thinks it is a good time to take a n a p
[15:39:42] <Nick001> JT-Shop Thanks - finally got it - I have pics of what I've been doing at http://www.janick.com/cnc/ bottom of page
[15:39:44] <Tom_itx> seems broke here still
[15:40:21] <Tom_itx> ahh there it went finally
[15:40:45] <Nick001> I'll go play fith the files and so how badly I can screw things up -)
[15:40:48] <West0n> And drill rods are tool steel
[15:40:49] <jthornton> Nick001: you have one like cradek
[15:40:58] <jthornton> ok, I'll be back after my nap
[15:41:01] <West0n> I assume they come un hardened?
[15:41:14] <jthornton> do a refresh to get my subroutines
[15:41:26] <Tom_itx> West0n you can buy oil or water hardened drill rods
[15:41:46] <Tom_itx> jt, i did and cleaned my temp files but it still took a bit
[15:41:54] <Tom_itx> all is good now
[15:42:04] <jthornton> cool
[15:42:18] <Tom_itx> except the damn temps
[15:42:19] <Nick001> jthornton-does cradek use the same file?
[15:42:25] <jthornton> no
[15:43:13] <Nick001> hows it different? and does he have it posted?
[15:43:29] <West0n> I don't intend to harden them
[15:43:30] <jthornton> you would have to ask him
[15:43:45] <West0n> As that will increase the chance of them bending
[15:43:59] <jthornton> he does use a touch screen and touchy, I know that much
[15:44:39] <Nick001> jthornton-I'll have to do that later - thanks for the info
[15:44:47] <KimK> Nick001: I took a quick look at your site. Regarding choice of software, you probably want EMC2 if you'd like your Hardinge to be able to thread. Just something to think about.
[15:45:27] <KimK> Hardinges are nice machines.
[15:47:04] <Nick001> KimK- if you look at the bottom pics http://www.janick.com/cnc/shop/ the one machine is all apart and that cpu is running EMC2
[15:50:05] <Nick001> Both machines are capable of slitting a tenth, on the one machine the AB control finally just died-I could'nd repair the cards as fast as they would go bad,and always a different IC would go bad
[15:50:10] <KimK> Excellent, good choice. Yes, I saw that I spoke too soon, I was fooled by the big "Machine as it is now" at the top.
[15:50:33] <KimK> Congrats on your progress!
[15:52:40] <Nick001> Thanks-just trying to get the turret working reliably- finally got the spindle running with the amp and power supplythat came with the machine originally.
[15:53:42] <Nick001> just have to get the brake releasing under M03 command
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[16:23:36] <pingufan> Hi, I followed your suggestion and installed emc2 in a virtual mqchine (for visualizing the machine moves). As far as well... Can I enforce that I see the tooltip cone?
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[16:47:01] <KimK> pingufan: As far as I know, you only get the cone when no tool diameter is defined. I don't know if there's a way to get the cone to show when your tool diameter is specified.
[16:47:47] <pingufan> That's sad. This little cutter icon is almost invisible. :(
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[16:48:27] <KimK> And you must define your tool diameter because you're using cutter comp?
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[16:49:16] <Tom_itx> does emc allow you to define the tool shape?
[16:49:27] <Tom_itx> ie shank, flute length and diameter?
[16:49:59] <pingufan> Yes, I use cutter comp.
[16:50:11] <Tom_itx> my cam allows you to do that then you get a better idea of clearance etc especially if you're using a smaller cutter than the shank diameter
[16:50:27] <KimK> Diameter, yes. Not sure about shank length. Nothing else that I know of. I'm sure many would like to choose between cylinder and Ball-nose.
[16:50:40] <JT-Shop> Nick001: my hal file handles the spindle brake
[16:50:41] <Tom_itx> but then emc isn't a cam package either
[16:51:37] <KimK> There might be interest in V-nose too, as some use that for engraving. Maybe flattened V-nose, as long as I'm starting a wish list.
[16:52:27] <Tom_itx> you could define that as a drill with a larger angle
[16:52:38] <KimK> pingufan: You can zoom in on a spot, if that helps?
[16:53:35] <maddogma> I'm making progress on my Boss5 EMC conversion. I can make each axis move, but as soon as I try to home, it hits the switch and I get limit errors even though I have HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS set to 1 in each axis in the .ini. Any ideas?
[16:53:44] <KimK> Sure, drills with assorted angles, let's put them on the list too. cradek, your work is cut out for you, lol!
[16:54:15] <Tom_itx> there's really only a few 'common' angles for drills anyway
[16:54:23] <JT-Shop> maddogma: you have to move off of each switch and you need one for each axis
[16:54:48] <KimK> maddogma: Are you using a HOME_SEQUENCE_NUMBER or whatever its called?
[16:56:08] <Tom_itx> HOME_SEQUENCE = x
[16:56:24] <KimK> Tom_itx: Thanks!
[16:56:42] <JT-Shop> I see Nick001 likes OSB too
[16:57:01] <KimK> Hi JT, welcome back.
[16:57:05] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, didn't you say if you set the home sequence to 0 it will home all at once?
[16:57:16] <JT-Shop> if all are set to 0 yes
[16:57:20] <maddogma> Z axis is 1st in the home sequence. I'm using the existing home/limit switches. NO connection on each axis for home, NC connections wired in series for limits. It works under Mach3.
[16:57:21] <Tom_itx> what if part of them are 0 and one is set to a number?
[16:57:28] <Tom_itx> will the 0 ones home at once?
[16:57:37] <Tom_itx> ie x and y but not z
[16:57:42] <KimK> Tom_itx: Yes
[16:57:50] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/config_ini_homing.html
[16:57:55] <Tom_itx> i'd rather home z first
[16:57:56] <KimK> No, I mean ) is first
[16:57:58] <Tom_itx> then x and y
[16:58:11] <KimK> Ha, axis ")"! Oops.
[16:58:23] <Tom_itx> and have x and y home at the same time
[16:58:25] <JT-Shop> set Z at 0 and X and Y at 1 Tom_itx
[16:58:53] <JT-Shop> that's the way I do my plasma as the Z homes to the "up" position
[17:00:29] <KimK> maddogma: Wait, I'm confused. You said, "I'm using the existing home/limit switches." Then you said, "NO connection on each axis for home...". Could you explain further?
[17:01:01] <KimK> maddogma: Are you using "index-only" homing?
[17:02:07] <KimK> maddogma: Or if you have open-loop steppers, maybe you're using "immediate" homing?
[17:02:20] <maddogma> Two sets of contacts on each switch, NO & NC. One switch two boolean outputs.
[17:03:42] <KimK> OK, NC to e-stop or amp cutoff or something? And NC to home or soft limits or something?
[17:04:01] <maddogma> Stock steppers, so it's open loop. Don't have an index setting in the .ini.
[17:04:58] <KimK> And I'm assuming 4-terminals on two switches? Not 3-terminals (C, NO, NC) on one switch?
[17:06:31] <Tom_itx> ok
[17:07:40] <Tom_itx> i'm still waiting for my connectors so i can wire up all the switches anyway
[17:10:27] <maddogma> X and Y have 4 terminals, if I remember correctly. I'm using the upper limit swith for Z home -- one switch with C, NO, NC. The lower limit is wired NC in series with the upper Z and X.Y limits.
[17:13:37] <KimK> maddogma: OK. I'm just trying to understand what you have there, as it would make a difference if the NC switch carried 120VAC or 24VDC for e-stop, and the NC side carried 5V for home, say.
[17:14:55] <KimK> Oops, I meant NO side for the 5V home. Sorry.
[17:15:00] <maddogma> I'm running 5v to homes and limits. No noise problems.
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[17:18:39] <JT-Shop> so your home switch is a separate input but the same switch?
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[17:21:24] <maddogma> Yes, home on the Z axis is set to input on pin 13, the limits are in series on pin 15.
[17:22:34] <maddogma> Same switch.
[17:26:24] <KimK> Let's look more closely at the error you're having. Z is homing first, X & Y are not moving, and when Z hits the switch you get the fault? What does the error message say?
[17:26:44] <Tom_itx> i gotta figure out the lathe package on my cam. i've never used it
[17:27:04] <Tom_itx> defining tools
[17:27:06] <JT-Shop> axis.N.home-sw-in IN bit Should be driven TRUE if the home switch for this joint is closed
[17:27:30] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna have to dig out the books so i can figure out how to define a graphic for them
[17:28:03] <JT-Shop> probably just need to invert the home switch input
[17:28:03] <maddogma> Joint0 limit switch, joint1 limit switch.
[17:30:42] <maddogma> What's the best way to invert? I've seen a -not appended to a parport setting and a setp on a separate line.
[17:32:06] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/hal_parallel_port.html#r1_1_2
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[17:33:53] <Tom_itx> ah hah
[17:34:02] <Tom_itx> funny it would be in the help file :D
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[17:36:09] <Tom_itx> and since i hate their help format i'll print it to 'pdf creator'
[17:36:10] <Tom_itx> :D
[17:36:16] <mrsunshine> yeah, mauled by a cow today ...
[17:36:25] <mrsunshine> my poor foot :P
[17:36:52] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, what common inserts do you use?
[17:36:53] <DaViruz> turn it into beef
[17:37:07] <mrsunshine> oo i so want to
[17:37:39] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, your diamon inserts.. the cutter angle. i have options for 80 55 and 75
[17:37:44] <Tom_itx> i'm guessin 75
[17:37:56] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I use a variety of inserts
[17:38:02] <Tom_itx> well i know
[17:38:07] <JT-Shop> the ones I use the most are 35
[17:38:16] <Tom_itx> skinny and long?
[17:38:32] <Tom_itx> more of a 'pencil point'?
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[17:38:58] <Tom_itx> i wonder why they list those separate
[17:39:01] <JT-Shop> for general facing I use a CNMG insert
[17:39:17] <Tom_itx> i know but they don't list them that way
[17:39:20] <DaViruz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lsS05SbYyI
[17:39:25] <DaViruz> wow, scary rapids
[17:39:36] <syyl_> uhm
[17:39:55] <syyl_> are there buttons in axis to jog the a-axis?
[17:40:09] <syyl_> like the cursor buttons for x/y
[17:40:15] <JT-Shop> for I can't really believe I want to do that with one tool I use DCMT
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[17:40:45] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/emc/SMARTCAM_LATHE_TOOLS.pdf
[17:41:46] <Tom_L> the lathe package i have is more like a 2.5 axis mill package than the freeform mill i have
[17:42:05] <Tom_L> no need for anything more on a lathe
[17:42:46] <Tom_L> do you usually set your tools from z 0 x 0?
[17:43:25] <Tom_L> i wish i still had my sanvic catalog
[17:43:38] <Tom_L> it had all the tooling specs in it
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[17:53:55] <maddogma> Just went out to the workshop and inverted the home signal. No change, still Joint0 limit switch error..
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[18:06:10] <Nick001> JT-Shop What's OSB - have to work out adding the brake command to the ini file pico uses without jamming things up,also have to use the next parport card for pins out
[18:11:57] <JT-Shop> the wood you used for your panel
[18:12:05] <JT-Shop> the brake stuff goes in your hal file
[18:13:28] <JT-Shop> maddogma: the error is while homing the X axis?
[18:19:36] <JT-Shop> Nick001: net spindle-brake motion.spindle-brake => paraport out pin
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[18:35:30] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I don't understand this question "do you usually set your tools from z 0 x 0?"
[18:43:05] <KimK> maddogma: Are you sure you have HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS and HOME_IS_SHARED set properly? On Z, home is shared, at least.
[18:55:13] <JT-Shop> KimK: I got the garage door up finally :)
[18:56:38] <KimK> JT-Shop: Excellent! Did you say you were planning to air condition out there, is that right? Or am I mistaken?
[18:58:20] <JT-Shop> it is air conditioned, yes :) 68F in there right now
[18:59:16] <JT-Shop> a 12,000 btu window unit barely runs at all to keep it cool... I have a 8,000 btu one as a backup or if the door is open a lot
[18:59:24] <syyl__> air con?
[18:59:32] <syyl__> got a shop in the basement :D
[18:59:35] <syyl__> 60°F
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[19:34:55] * JT-Shop thinks it is 5 o'clock somewhere :)
[19:35:33] <Jymmm> s/5/beer/
[19:37:21] <JT-Shop> Corona with a twist
[19:37:38] * JT-Shop hands one to Jymmm
[19:37:47] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Thanks
[19:38:21] <Jymmm> Though I prefer Dos Equis Lager for future reference
[19:38:33] <Jymmm> (the green bottle)
[19:40:10] <JT-Shop> heh
[19:42:18] <Jymmm> And it's hard to find in many places too. You actually have to say "the green bottle" much of the time.
[20:05:54] <ve7it> Jymmm, mmmm my favourite as well
[20:06:06] <Jymmm> =)
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[20:11:17] <JT-Shop> my favorite is Weihenstephan Original
[20:11:29] <Jymmm> microbrew?
[20:11:36] <JT-Shop> http://www.totalbeveragesolution.com/brands/label.php?lID=27&bID=4&type=Beer
[20:11:46] <JT-Shop> oldest brewery in Germany
[20:12:25] <syyl_> there are better over here in germany
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[20:22:03] <JT-Shop> hard to taste them all from over here :)
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[20:23:06] <JT-Shop> when I'm not being lazy I make the best beer in the world... to me
[20:24:40] <syyl_> should pe possible to send beer via email
[20:25:49] <Jymmm> Poor alligator, it wasn't doing anything... http://www.neatorama.com/2011/06/02/police-shoot-concrete-ornamental-alligator/
[20:26:58] <JT-Shop> and have beer flavored coolant...
[20:28:13] <mrsunshine> what was his defence?
[20:28:15] <mrsunshine> :P
[20:28:26] <Jymmm> not moving?
[20:28:29] <Jymmm> ever
[20:29:39] <Jymmm> This flu shit it pathetic!
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[20:30:19] <Jymmm> I should walk intothe mall wearing a hazmat suitjust to scare all the fuckers into washing your hands and stop spreading this shit!
[20:32:59] <Jymmm> and dont let your snotty nosed rat bastard kid run around the produce section touching everything either!
[20:33:41] <fragalot> JT-Shop: beer flavoured coolant? you want.. warm beer? you sick, sick bastard
[20:34:01] <Jymmm> Must be Brit Tendancies
[20:34:04] <syyl_> hmm
[20:34:13] <fragalot> Jymmm: good point.
[20:34:28] <syyl_> got a problem with the pwm in emc for spindle controll
[20:34:34] <Jymmm> Do they still serve warm beer in UK/EU ?
[20:34:43] <syyl_> used the pncconf tool
[20:35:00] <fragalot> Jymmm: EU? hell no. why not? belgium happened.
[20:35:09] <syyl_> and i always get the maximum pwm frequency on the pin
[20:35:10] <fragalot> in the UK.. probably
[20:35:26] <Jymmm> fragalot: what happened with belgium?
[20:35:43] <fragalot> we edumacated everyone in the ways of the brew.
[20:35:44] <fragalot> :3
[20:35:49] <syyl_> oh
[20:35:54] <Jymmm> fragalot: Ah, gotcha=)
[20:36:03] <syyl_> pwm frequency doesnt change at all
[20:36:09] <syyl_> i am dumb :/
[20:36:18] * fragalot pets syyl_
[20:36:24] <Jymmm> Though it seems most of EU prefers dark beers, and I like pales
[20:36:34] <fragalot> I am indifferent
[20:36:47] <Jymmm> fragalot: So you're just a beer whore?
[20:36:52] <fragalot> not really
[20:37:03] <fragalot> it's just that both dark and pale beers have their good ones
[20:37:33] <Jymmm> I seem to favor Mexican beers actually, and Tequilia too
[20:37:58] <JT-Shop> I like all "good" beers
[20:38:06] <fragalot> what, that.. What's it called again?
[20:38:14] <fragalot> needs ot have a lemon slice to be able to make it bearable ?
[20:38:32] <Jymmm> fragalot: Not at all.
[20:38:56] <Jymmm> fragalot: Order a Cadillac Margarita sometime =)
[20:39:02] <fragalot> Hm seems we only have ~150 official breweries here :(
[20:39:44] * fragalot expected more tbf
[20:39:58] <Jymmm> tbf?
[20:40:12] <fragalot> oh wait
[20:40:23] <fragalot> that's just the ones in a museum.. there are thousands
[20:40:27] <fragalot> Jymmm: "to be fair"
[20:40:42] <Jymmm> ah
[20:41:00] <Jymmm> I think the whole lime and slat thing is a marketing gimmick
[20:41:03] <Jymmm> salt
[20:41:30] <fragalot> I can't remember the name of the only foreign beer i've ever drank (excluding guinness, which I am not really fond of) was
[20:41:35] <fragalot> -was
[20:41:42] <fragalot> started with a C, and I think it was mexican :/
[20:41:48] <fragalot> corona?
[20:41:49] <Jymmm> Corona?
[20:41:57] <fragalot> yeah. wasn't really my thing :/
[20:43:03] <Jymmm> funny thing... Had someone come in that was from Mexico and order a Corona. He said he wanted to see if it tasted different from the ones he gets there. Said their's tasted more watered down in MX.
[20:43:17] <Jymmm> go figure
[20:45:14] <JT-Shop> yea! garage door opener clears the door by 0.375"
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[20:45:42] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: wait till summer time when everything expands
[20:46:37] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: it is 100F here now... it ain't often it is this hot
[20:46:45] <Jymmm> oh, ok
[20:47:21] <JT-Shop> however the shop is hovering at 70F unlike the garage at 80F
[20:49:01] <syyl_> i think i put on a coat down here
[20:49:06] <syyl_> a bit fresh :D
[20:49:38] <Jymmm> It's 61F and rainging
[20:49:41] <Jymmm> raining
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[22:02:57] <syyl__> yeah
[22:03:05] <syyl__> got the pwm spindle control working
[22:04:06] <syyl__> had a little error in my pwm <-> 0-10V converter...
[22:16:15] <JT-Shop> cool
[22:17:29] <syyl__> nice to see as the voltage changes as the speed in emc is changed
[22:22:29] <Tom_itx> JT-Shop, my question was.. on your lathe where do you set your tools from? X0, Z0?
[22:22:47] <Tom_itx> ie the end of the material center or what?
[22:27:41] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I set X to give me the correct diameter so yes X edge of tool is set to X0 and the offset is only in the tool table
[22:28:14] <JT-Shop> Z tool table offsets are set to a fixed point (spindle face for me) and I call that Z0
[22:28:37] <JT-Shop> Z material offsets are done with any tool and in G54 usually
[22:28:43] <Tom_itx> so you enter a positive value to back off to the material end?
[22:29:02] <Tom_itx> or is that just for your G54
[22:29:14] <JT-Shop> I use a 0.375 dowel so yes I enter 0.375 in G54
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[22:30:18] <JT-Shop> the Z tool table offsets are all to the same fixed point, matters not what just so same
[22:30:28] <Tom_itx> yeah
[22:30:39] <Tom_itx> i was just curious how you went about it
[22:30:43] <JT-Shop> the Z material offset is to the end of the material and can be set by almost any tool
[22:31:43] <JT-Shop> If I put a new tool on the turret I set Z to the spindle face with a tool table offset, I use the same 0.375 dowel but just call it 0 as it don't matter
[22:32:21] <JT-Shop> when I throw some material in there I usually pick a tool that can face and touch off G54 Z with that
[22:32:22] <JT-Shop> brb
[22:37:12] <JT-Shop> back, had to change the water on the CB
[22:37:39] <Tom_itx> it's been quite a while since i've been around the okuma lathe so i'm also trying to recall how we did it
[22:37:48] <Tom_itx> it sounds similar i think
[22:38:00] <Tom_itx> it did however let you set some 'out of bounds' limits
[22:38:06] <JT-Shop> my facing subroutine has an option to set Z0, so when I clean up the end I can set Z0 exactly
[22:38:07] <Tom_itx> so no tool would hit the spindle
[22:38:22] <Tom_itx> good idea
[22:39:00] <JT-Shop> I have all my subs on my web site now
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[22:48:31] <Tom_itx> got switches and plugs today
[22:48:46] <JT-Shop> cool
[22:49:03] <Tom_itx> amongst other things
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[22:49:14] * JT-Shop just needs to clean up and put away after that whordeal
[22:49:44] <JT-Shop> garage door and opener fully installed! :)
[22:50:04] <Tom_itx> is it nice n smooth?
[22:50:23] <JT-Shop> yep and seals real well so no air leaks
[22:50:38] <JT-Shop> on to the next step...
[22:50:53] <JT-Shop> or back to what I was doing before the door arrived
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[23:42:57] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Well worth watching, you'll enjoy it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJtq6OmD-_Y&feature=youtu.be
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