#emc | Logs for 2011-05-30

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[00:04:30] <geo01005> anybody ever used EMC to make an electronic lead screw for a manual lathe?
[00:04:32] <andypugh> jcizek: I have been where you are, and I know how easy it is for us to say "swap computers", "build a new config", "try a different EMC2 version" and how much work that is in practice. All I can say is that EMC2 does actually work and is running thousands of machines worldwide. Remote diagnosis is difficult, and the chances are that none of our suggestions will help at all, but at some point you will see something and spot t
[00:04:32] <andypugh> problem.
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[00:05:26] <andypugh> geo01005: Sort of. I made an electronic X axis too, and called it a full conversion.
[00:06:45] <jcizek> andy, thanks, i know.. i love EMC, i haven't had a SINGLE problem using it to run my Solsylva router table (as a matter of fact, i use the exact same controller for it, just carry it back and forth). I played with Mach and EMC is FAR superior software. I know i';ll get through it eventually, it's just frustrating!! Thanks for the support though, it's great to have you guys so willing to help!
[00:07:05] <andypugh> But you could use a spindle encoder, stepper, and EMC2 with a very simple HAL file to do an electronic leadscrew. That is pretty much what I did with my hobbing setup. I geared the milling spindle to the work spindle.
[00:08:07] <andypugh> geo01005: Have you seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhICrb0Tbn4 ?
[00:08:55] <andypugh> (50seconds in)
[00:11:43] <geo01005> I see.
[00:12:29] <geo01005> I'm not too keen on doing a whole cnc conversion because it reduced flexibility on easy stuff, and that is pretty much all I plan to do on it.
[00:12:59] <andypugh> Actually, for a lathe, it can make the easy stuff even easier.
[00:13:01] <geo01005> The lathe I have has manual change gears, and I'm just looking at options to eliminate the gearbox.
[00:13:53] <geo01005> I'm wondering how much resolution on need on the spindle encoder.
[00:14:10] <andypugh> I don't write G-code for my lathe, I have predefined code for turning, facing, parting, threading, radius, chamfer etc. I put the feed, speed, tarhet X and target Y in entry boxes, and press the button for the operation I need
[00:15:14] <andypugh> So it's like a manual lathe, except it always stops the cut at the same place, returns and does the next cut, and keeps the surface speed constant.
[00:15:30] <geo01005> That sounds cool.
[00:15:49] <andypugh> http://www.bodgesoc.org/lathe/lathe.html
[00:17:07] <andypugh> It's great for threading. type in pitch, depth, nominal diameter and end-Z and press "Threading" and it all just happens.
[00:17:37] <geo01005> Very cool.
[00:17:42] <andypugh> Ony drawback is that there is no graphical preview in Axis.
[00:17:59] <andypugh> (because the code that runs isn't actually loaded)
[00:18:45] <andypugh> I have a feeling that my approach is pretty crude compared to ngcgui, which JT uses for much the same sort of work.
[00:19:54] <jcizek> andy, jt, tom, i'm gonna sign off.. neighbor just stopped by and needs help tracking down a wiring problem in his camper. I just got JT's comp file compiled and installed, i'll jump back on once i have everything in place and see if that goes smoother... A HUGE thanks to all of you for the help! You guys are great! have a good one....
[00:21:13] <andypugh> Good luck. Nothing like solving somebody else's problem to give you a break from your own :-)
[00:21:56] <jcizek> thanks! stepping away for a bit will probably be helpful to me... clear the head! have a good night everyone
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[00:22:35] <geo01005> So is a single pulse per rev from the spindle sufficient to thread using EMC?
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[00:23:24] <andypugh> Barely.
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[00:23:51] <andypugh> It can be done, but not necessarily repeatably
[00:24:19] <geo01005> So if my spindle changes speed with load, then I'll probably have some troubles.
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[00:25:09] <andypugh> Yes.
[00:26:20] <geo01005> dang, that is sort of what why gut was telling me.
[00:26:34] <geo01005> so andypugh, does your lathe have lots of backlash?
[00:27:02] <andypugh> No, mine has ballscrews now, so very little.
[00:29:07] <andypugh> But, if you take care with your G-code you can probably make backlash not matter on a lathe, by working round it in the same way as you do when running manually.
[00:29:26] <geo01005> mine has lots in both directions, I suppose I could just write the g-code to do the same thing I already do manually.
[00:29:37] <geo01005> ha, right.
[00:29:57] <andypugh> EMC2 does have backlash comensation as an option, too.
[00:31:03] <andypugh> Z-conversion of a lathe is generally very easy. X rather less so as it is hard to fit the motor in neatly.
[00:31:36] <Tom_itx> backwards with a pulley?
[00:31:49] <andypugh> That is what I did, yes.
[00:31:50] <geo01005> I was thinking of adding a lead screw extension on the back of the saddle.
[00:32:20] <Tom_itx> or let it hang with a couple pinion gears
[00:33:17] <andypugh> This was my solution (post 15 onwards) http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mini_lathe/63621-mini_lathe_cross_slide_ballscrew-2.html
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[00:35:50] <Tom_itx> what size stepper is that?
[00:36:18] <andypugh> NEMA 23, 2-stack
[00:36:27] <Tom_itx> plenty of torque?
[00:36:55] <andypugh> Yes. It is almost perfect, never stalls on a cut, stalls when I mess up :-)
[00:37:03] <geo01005> I will probably use a servo motor if I do it.
[00:37:21] <Tom_itx> what board is it hooked to?
[00:37:26] <Tom_itx> 7i43?
[00:37:58] <andypugh> 7i43 then a Motion Control Products stepper drive.
[00:38:27] <Tom_itx> what sort of values do you have for max velocity and max acceleration?
[00:39:53] <andypugh> 800mm/min I think. Quite modest, but then it is quite a small travel.
[00:45:17] <andypugh> I have lost interest in making that lathe/mill any better. The base machine is just rubbish. As an example, I was wondering why the tailstock never seemed to clamp down tight. It is partly because the two slidways are not actually in the same plane, and partly because the clamp block under the bed is milled out for the clamp bolt head, then milled out so big for the bolt clearance that there is actually no land for one side
[00:45:17] <andypugh> bolt head, so all that tightening the nut does is bend the head some more,and eventually it will just pop through.
[00:45:25] <andypugh> (I can get a picture if you want)
[00:46:18] <atom1> i get it
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[00:49:13] <andypugh> Time to retire for the night, I think. Have fun chaps.
[00:49:17] <Tom_itx> what size are those belt/pulleys?
[00:49:20] <Tom_itx> series..
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[00:50:05] <andypugh> The X is a T2.5. No space for anything else, and so far its worked very well.
[00:50:25] <Tom_itx> i don't remember what i used on my bot
[00:51:11] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/maxbot/maxbot_index.php
[00:51:16] <andypugh> The ballscrew and the belt drive all look far too flimsy and tiny, but have accually given me less trouble than the other axes.
[00:52:22] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/maxbot/image016.jpg
[00:52:40] <Tom_itx> i think those are a smaller series
[00:52:57] <andypugh> My bot can crush your bot :-) http://robotwars.wikia.com/wiki/S.M.I.D.S.Y.
[00:53:38] <Valen> This page needs content. You can help by adding a sentence or a photo!
[00:53:44] <atom1> haha
[00:54:28] <andypugh> Wierd
[00:54:48] <andypugh> Add the last full stop by hand?
[00:55:32] <andypugh> (IRC is dropping the last "." from the URL
[00:56:25] <Valen> dude not even a spinner cmon ;->
[00:57:05] * atom1 whispers to Valen... i wonder how long we can keep him up
[00:57:08] <andypugh> We fitted a whirling thingy later
[00:58:13] <atom1> they had competitions with those here for a while
[00:58:30] <atom1> battlebots?
[00:59:12] <atom1> they put some hefty motors in some of those
[01:00:45] <andypugh> Aye, it started in the US. Robotwars was licensed from Battlebots, until the US guys started fighting about owned the rights to the concept, and that largely killed the televised stuff on both sides of the pond.
[01:01:07] <atom1> i wondered what happened to it
[01:01:17] <andypugh> Ours had twin 750W 24V motors. Peak current was something like 100A
[01:01:38] <atom1> stacked mosfets for controllers?
[01:03:00] <andypugh> It was a long time ago, and I didn't know half what I know now. We had off-the-shelf controllers, off-the-shelf radio control interfaces, and we didn't understand any of it
[01:03:16] <atom1> heh
[01:03:44] <andypugh> Nowadays, it would be all done by Arduinos, and we would have a stack of pre-programmed spares.
[01:05:22] <atom1> make some servos from the motors
[01:05:34] <andypugh> I expect the same is true of all the teams. There has been a huge change in the meantime. I reckon that a re-make of it would be a whole lot more interesting, as I assume that all the teams know far more too, and there is eBay now, for parts.
[01:06:01] <Jymmm> andypugh: stack of AVR's maybe =)
[01:06:29] <andypugh> Lots of options, including affordable on-robot intelligence.
[01:06:53] <Jymmm> nanobots!
[01:06:58] <andypugh> It's no big deal to have a $20 Arduino smashed up, it was a big deal to lose a $200 driver board.
[01:07:18] <Jymmm> where you finding $20 arduinos?
[01:07:29] <andypugh> Batteries have improved hugely in the interim too.
[01:08:27] <andypugh> Jymmm: http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/seeeduino-v221-atmega-168p-p-690.html?cPath=132_133&zenid=a96ad52467b648f5ac6e91357153a631
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[01:09:39] <Jymmm> andypugh: Is that the real deal? nothing missing/crippled?
[01:09:52] <andypugh> I don't know.
[01:09:53] <atom1> what's not to be real about it?
[01:09:57] <Jymmm> oh, ok =)
[01:10:00] <atom1> it's a mega 168
[01:10:07] <Jymmm> atom1: you tell me
[01:10:15] <atom1> and a ft232
[01:10:19] <atom1> it appears
[01:10:32] <atom1> the rest is all software
[01:10:33] <andypugh> "Arduino" is an open source hardware platform.
[01:10:47] <Jymmm> andypugh: I know =)
[01:10:51] <atom1> heck, i have at least 3 eagle files for different ones
[01:11:16] <andypugh> Their "Film" version looks like fun
[01:11:17] <atom1> i'd rather make my own though
[01:11:55] <Jymmm> I have the Diecimila and paid about $40ish for it, just seemed strange that theres the same for half price is all
[01:12:11] <atom1> what chip does it have?
[01:12:25] <atom1> they use different avrs on em
[01:12:40] <atom1> i don't bother to keep track
[01:12:51] <andypugh> There is the Boarduino cheaper still: http://www.adafruit.com/products/72
[01:13:11] <Jymmm> my bad... Duemilanove
[01:13:32] <Jymmm> mega32bp-pu
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[01:18:09] <Jymmm> THIS is what I want, but way too expensive as $13
[01:18:41] <Jymmm> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/blinkm-i2c-controlled-rgb-led-p-836.html?zenid=a96ad52467b648f5ac6e91357153a631
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[02:03:02] <Connor> I made a little piggy-back ATMega328p.. Goes over the chip for breadboard prototyping.. it's nice.
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[03:14:39] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIheAjvEiBE
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[04:19:30] <billhome> <3 Seeduinos
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[04:33:00] <Valen> can i run a gecko 251 off 12v?
[04:50:02] <billhome> I've run centent cn0142's off 12v, if that helps at all.
[04:50:08] <billhome> the worked "ok"
[04:53:12] <Tom_itx> no
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[04:53:44] <atom1> The power supply voltage must be between 15VDC and 50VDC. The maximum power supply current required is 67% of the motorís rated phase current. An unregulated power supply may be used as long as the voltage stays between the limits; keep the ripple voltage to 10% or less for best results.
[04:54:00] <atom1> http://www.geckodrive.com/ark-2/support.html?pid=119&id=99
[04:56:07] <Valen> yeah i read that
[04:56:25] <Valen> but sometimes the manual is conservative
[04:57:12] <Tom_itx> get one and try it?
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[04:59:13] <Valen> expensive smoke ;->
[04:59:20] <Valen> well just ordered it all
[04:59:31] <Tom_itx> get a 15v supply?
[04:59:45] <Valen> battery based application
[04:59:52] <Valen> 12V is available
[04:59:57] <Tom_itx> double it
[05:00:01] <Tom_itx> or can you?
[05:00:15] <Valen> i'll probably just run 24v
[05:01:09] <Valen> 2 batteries
[05:01:15] <Valen> but it would have been nice
[05:01:25] <Valen> oh well not enough $ in the project for nice lol
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[07:07:20] <Loetmichel> moin
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[13:42:56] <JT-Shop> there is 3 ways to do anything, the right way, the wrong way and Harold's way
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[14:04:20] <maddogma> New to EMC2, trying to get it configured. Mach3 running on 2nd drive, so I know the hardware is OK. Can't get EMC to pee a drop. Not even in Stepconfig. It's obvious I'm overlooking something -- but to the uninitiated, where to start?
[14:07:00] <awallin_> you have a real-time kernel for sure? running proper emc2 and not simulator? using a stepper_mm.ini config or similar for first tests?
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[14:07:31] <archivist> set the enable pin?
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[14:12:57] <maddogma> Installed from the Live CD to a separate drive, did *NOT* use the simulator.
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[14:14:22] <maddogma> Enable pin sounds like a possible culprit. Didn't see an option in Stepconfig. What's the syntax for enabling in Hal?
[14:15:37] <jcizek> What are you trying to enable?
[14:15:50] <maddogma> The enable pin
[14:17:46] <jcizek> I s that a HAL pin or an actual hardware pin?
[14:18:42] <jcizek> The stepconf wizzard does allow you to set "enable" as an option. It's one of the options in the dropdowns on the (2nd I believe) screen
[14:22:02] <maddogma> It's a hardware pin.
[14:23:10] <maddogma> If it helps, I'm using a CNC4PC C11G breakout board and 203v drivers.
[14:24:04] <jcizek> Check this out: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/config_stepper.html Look at section 1.3.6 Adding an enable signal. Is that what you are looking for?
[14:25:25] <maddogma> That's a big step in the right direction. Thank you!
[14:27:37] <jcizek> Absolutely. Good luck with it! I'm hanging around on here for help too :-)
[14:30:24] <jcizek> Speaking of which... JT-Shop, are you around this morning?
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[14:38:37] <Tom_itx> maddogma, you like the 203v's?
[14:38:49] <Tom_itx> what size steppers do you have on them?
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[14:47:38] <jcizek> Anyone know what header files i might be missing when I get undeclared symbols like hal_input, hal_exit, etc... when I compile a program?
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[14:48:50] <anonimasu> hal.h?
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[14:50:15] <jcizek> hmm, this is my first run at using 'comp' so I am not sure if i am missing some command line arguments or if there are some filesets missing from the box. Is hal.h part of something besides the main EMC distribution, or the emc-dev filesets?
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[15:17:06] <maddogma> I like the 203V's. I'm running a Bridgeport Boss5 with the original NEMA 42 steppers wired in series.
[15:18:01] <maddogma> I've run jobs with 5 hour runtimes, no problems.
[15:23:33] <Tom_itx> fan on them?
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[16:30:15] <jcizek> JT-Shop, you around today?
[16:33:13] <syyl> hehe, got a new toy at work :D
[16:33:21] <syyl> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-05-30_13-43-42_671.jpg
[16:36:08] <Tom_itx> nice
[16:37:01] <Tom_itx> what spindle taper is that?
[16:37:14] <syyl> sk20
[16:37:15] <Tom_itx> (for size comparison)
[16:37:24] <syyl> uhm, should be int20
[16:37:41] <Tom_itx> nice small probe
[16:37:56] <Tom_itx> don't they make ir or wireless of some type too?
[16:38:01] <syyl> yeah
[16:38:07] <syyl> with infrared connection
[16:38:16] <Tom_itx> i think that's what we had on one of the okumas
[16:38:19] <syyl> even more expencive
[16:38:25] <Tom_itx> yeah i know
[16:38:31] <Tom_itx> what did that one set you back?
[16:38:51] <syyl> hm?
[16:38:55] <Tom_itx> cost
[16:38:59] <syyl> ah
[16:39:11] <syyl> around 4000eur
[16:39:22] <Tom_itx> they are nice though
[16:39:31] <syyl> without adaption to the cnc controller
[16:40:28] <syyl> wireless would have made no sense in our case, as the probe doesnt fit in the tool changer
[16:40:40] <Tom_itx> yeah
[16:40:57] <Tom_itx> this was a 50 taper with a big tool changer
[16:41:15] <Tom_itx> big belt rack on the backside
[16:41:17] <syyl> uh
[16:41:28] <syyl> 50 taper is a serious foot hazard when dropped
[16:41:50] <Tom_itx> there is a method to that
[16:42:09] <Tom_itx> see it coming, you lift your foot a bit to protect the tooling and no harm to the foot
[16:42:17] <syyl> hr
[16:42:19] <syyl> got training?
[16:42:27] <Tom_itx> not with those
[16:42:31] <syyl> i prefer hardtoed boots
[16:43:22] <Tom_itx> unless the toe gets smashed too
[16:43:51] <Tom_itx> you gotta be a pretty big screwup for that to happen
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[16:55:05] <Tom_itx> what parameter would i change to reverse the step direction? i'm looking in hal conf and can't seem to find it
[16:56:46] <jcizek> Tom_itx: just change the value of SCALE in your .ini file... if it's positive put a - in front, or vice versa
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[16:57:49] <Tom_itx> ok
[16:58:05] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[16:58:46] <jcizek> Tom: it
[16:58:58] <jcizek> Tom: it's possible in hal too, but it's easier in the .ini :)
[16:59:18] <Tom_itx> i just wondered what parameter to change
[16:59:26] <Tom_itx> i was looking in hal as well
[16:59:55] <jcizek> ya, changing the sign of SCALE is by far the easiest
[16:59:56] <Tom_itx> on the hostmot driver there's .invert_output
[17:00:31] <jcizek> you can use setp with an invert command in hal too, just do it where you assign the output pin
[17:00:46] <Tom_itx> the hostmot driver assigns those
[17:01:03] <jcizek> gotcha
[17:01:08] <Tom_itx> according to the .bit file i think
[17:01:31] <Tom_itx> otherwise it would be easy to find
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[17:02:24] <jcizek> will the sign change be a workable solution for you?
[17:02:32] <Tom_itx> i'll try it
[17:02:41] <Tom_itx> i don't care what fixes it really
[17:02:50] <jcizek> haha, i unnderstand
[17:02:52] <Tom_itx> but it would be nice to know how to do it in hal
[17:03:34] <Tom_itx> it kinda masks the fix when you go to look at it a year later
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[17:04:09] <jcizek> yep understand. In hal it would look like this: setp parport.0.pin-01-out-invert 1
[17:04:39] <Tom_itx> so you just go for the io pin and invert it
[17:04:49] <Tom_itx> i can dmesg and find that easy enough
[17:05:50] <jcizek> yep, that should do it
[17:07:24] <Tom_itx> i just figured there would be a var assigned to it like: "setp hm2_[HOSTMOT2] (BOARD).0.stepgen.00.dirpin.invert_output" or some such thing
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[17:08:11] <jcizek> that i don't know since I dont' have a hostmot... but should be easy to look in there and see
[17:08:23] <jcizek> also, make sure you only invert the dir pin, not the step pin
[17:08:30] <Tom_itx> right
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[17:11:04] <Tom_itx> i'll test both ways and see if both work
[17:11:33] <jcizek> sounds good. let us know! i get to learn too this way!
[17:11:49] <Tom_itx> likely not today but i will test it
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[17:17:56] <willburrrr2003> I got my tool post mod finished on my lathe last night, re-assembeled the cross-slide, and recalibrated both axis from the ground up. I spent hours lastnight setting my tools up in the tool table, and trying various cuts. It was a lot of fun!
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[17:24:11] <jcizek> Anyone around that can help me with a compile problem? Have some missing header files I think and don't know where to go looking for them
[17:24:43] <IchGuckLive> Connor: ?
[17:24:58] <Connor> IchGuckLive: Yea?
[17:25:13] <IchGuckLive> nice
[17:25:28] <IchGuckLive> one minute to get the new routing
[17:28:47] <IchGuckLive> Connor: http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/300511192832_st_rout_2.png
[17:29:14] <IchGuckLive> you can mill this with a 1mm cutter
[17:29:35] <IchGuckLive> overall i try to mill all parts with a 1mm cutter
[17:29:38] <willburrrr2003> I generated my first g-code program lastnight . Started simple, face off part and set z0 , then turn the part from .635 down to .25 for .5 inch. the program worked nicely, but I have part deflection at the tip and it comes out about .26 instead of .25 there. the base of the cut is right at .25 . What can I do to deal with this deflection? I tried doing a finishing pass from .30 down to .25 taking half the cut I did the first t
[17:29:47] <Connor> Cool. I'm just about done hand wiring a prototype..
[17:29:58] <IchGuckLive> so the pendant can be done by every emc2 owner
[17:31:30] <IchGuckLive> Connor: also the routing is not handoptimized it must rout auto thats my line of scribitch
[17:32:07] <IchGuckLive> Connor: how is the switch part calt in Eng so i can name the var thisway
[17:32:20] <willburrrr2003> <ichguckLive? is there an off the shelf pendant that works with emc, or a buildable one shown on the web?
[17:32:56] <IchGuckLive> where working on it
[17:32:58] <JT-Shop> jcizek: I'm here now
[17:33:12] <izua> are the pulse signals locked to eachother?
[17:33:55] <mrsunshine> hmm on this old lathe there is some koggs that slows down the spindle by half or something if i engage them, what can they be for ?
[17:34:01] <mrsunshine> its behind the actual spindle assembly
[17:34:09] <izua> for example, if the machine is executing a G1 X10 Y9, will there be two individual trains of pulses at with F1/F2 = 10/9 (or so), or will the faster one lead the frequency, and the slower on skip 1 step every 10 steps?
[17:34:15] <mrsunshine> not behind the spindle, to the side of it :P
[17:34:34] <izua> if so, is the last method safe, since it technically involves a lot of fast accs and deccs?
[17:34:49] <Connor> You have them called Axis and Increment
[17:35:04] <jcizek> JT- good morning! Having a hard time with your thcud.comp... it compiles with errors of a couple of hal_ini hal_exit hal_ etc... being undefined. Of crouse, this causes the entire RT system to unload and crash with undefined symbols. I figure I must be missing either a fileset of headers or a path to them... ideas?
[17:35:21] <Connor> I guess rotary switch is what your asking for ?
[17:35:34] <IchGuckLive> gere is the next switch_pcb routing ->http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/300511193503_switch_pcb.png
[17:35:52] <JT-Shop> must be missing something just a sec
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[17:36:30] <IchGuckLive> Connor: thanks with your resistor cascade you can go up to 12 Axis
[17:36:48] <Connor> :)
[17:36:55] <pcw_home> izua: the steps will be generated as accurately as they can with the granularity of the base thread
[17:37:12] <Tom_itx> IchGuckLive, what version of eagle did you use?
[17:37:33] <IchGuckLive> Connor: there are many ways to do this
[17:37:45] <IchGuckLive> Tom_itx: the freeware newest
[17:37:48] <willburrrr2003> <JT-Shop> Experiencing part deflection you were warning me about .... other than puttung the part closer to the head stock, what can I do to minimize the deflection to turn to a specific dia?
[17:38:02] <Connor> Oh yea. and no one way the '"right" way.
[17:38:17] <JT-Shop> jcizek: you did this? sudo apt-get build-dep emc2
[17:39:42] <JT-Shop> willburrrr2003: that has too many variables to really say, some options include a following rest, steady rest, tool post grinder or as you surmised put the part closer to the chuck
[17:39:56] <JT-Shop> depending on the material spring passes might help
[17:40:22] <JT-Shop> jcizek: and sudo apt-get install build-essential autoconf
[17:40:24] <drmacro> trying to figure where to start after reading the docs...I have a Bport with quadrature encoders on X & Y. is it possible to strat with axis/emc acting like a DRO?
[17:41:02] <willburrrr2003> <JT-Shop> material is ,forgive my spelling on this, Derlin plastic. What is a "spring pass"?
[17:41:26] <JT-Shop> a second or third cut and final diameter
[17:41:38] <jcizek> jt-shop: I have installed build-essential and I have installed emc-dev. There is no package called build-dep... you sure that one is right?
[17:42:02] <JT-Shop> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_with_EMC2_package_already_installed
[17:42:38] <willburrrr2003> second or 3rd at the same cut paths, or just lighter cits down to final dia?
[17:43:01] <JT-Shop> hard to say without trying first...
[17:43:34] <cradek> drmacro: sure
[17:43:47] <IchGuckLive> Connor: http://www.goldpt.com/mvc_loaded1.jpg
[17:43:56] <JT-Shop> willburrrr2003: this is delrin I'm doing in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isTD6bDF_LI
[17:43:56] <IchGuckLive> Connor: the optimum
[17:44:02] <jcizek> jt-shop: sudo apt-get install build-dep emc2 output is: E: Coulnd't find package build-dep
[17:44:04] <drmacro> cradek: Assuming I'd like to eventually use motors on the axis what would be the best interface to invest in to read the encoders now, and later drive motors
[17:44:30] <Connor> Wow.. That's pretty cool
[17:44:38] <IchGuckLive> B)
[17:44:59] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: nicew tool system
[17:45:09] <cradek> drmacro: what motors does it have?
[17:46:11] <cradek> is it a servo BOSS?
[17:46:19] <IchGuckLive> Safty not recwirert JT-Shop
[17:46:48] <drmacro> cradek: no motors...or maybe a better question, what is the lowest cost entry to read the encoders
[17:46:50] <willburrrr2003> <JT-Shop> That vid was cool! Very nice machine you have there!
[17:47:01] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: does the clamp open by M-code
[17:47:06] <JT-Shop> jcizek: you might have to do something else, but I don't know what it might be... all my machines have installed and RIP versions so somehow I got lucky I guess :/
[17:47:37] <JT-Shop> IchGuckLive: yes, I configured M100 to open and M101 to close
[17:47:43] <willburrrr2003> Just a thought, I have my too tip set right at center of part, should it be just a bit under center?
[17:47:50] <willburrrr2003> Tool Tip*
[17:47:51] <jcizek> JT-shop: i'll start googling it.. maybe that pacakge isn't in the "stable" release... thanks
[17:48:03] <cradek> drmacro: mesa and pico make appropriate hardware. you should plan what you want to do next, to pick the right product.
[17:48:06] <Jymmm> http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/112510/new-commodore-64-nyt
[17:48:47] <drmacro> cradek: currently the encoders go into a US Digital ISA board in a 286...cobbled and coded by me years a go...:)
[17:49:30] <IchGuckLive> JT-Shop: if this is gone be partseries you need a box to fall into under the cutter
[17:50:05] <IchGuckLive> mountet to the cut tool
[17:50:08] <drmacro> cradek: I'm guessing maybe DC or steppers
[17:50:50] <cradek> drmacro: mesa and pico make probably a dozen products that can read encoders. your real question is what else you want at the same time.
[17:51:13] <IchGuckLive> Connor: what miin time did you discover for the MFG to output at the rduino serial ?
[17:51:19] <jcizek> JT-shop: do you have easy access to the computer you have EMC on?
[17:51:28] <cradek> bbl
[17:51:30] <JT-Shop> it's behind me :)
[17:51:56] <jcizek> Could you look in /etc/apt/sources.list and tell me what the line is that has cnc in it? :-)
[17:52:24] <jcizek> it might say emc instead of cnc
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[17:52:53] <Connor> I didn't. I tried a few different things.. in the end.. serial couldn't transmit the ticks fast enough.. so, I'm just using the serial for the buttons and DRO part. MPG hardwired to parport.
[17:53:11] <JT-Shop> .. /etc/apt/sources.list
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[17:53:18] <jt-plasma> ok
[17:53:49] <jcizek> jt: yes, that's the file
[17:54:11] <jcizek> my 10.04 is still pointing at the 8.04 sources for emc... not sure if there are newer ones...
[17:55:03] <jt-plasma> it opens up the Software Sources window
[17:55:09] <IchGuckLive> Connor: my mfg has only 24steps so im in min 15ms to trigger the serial needs 25 min
[17:55:26] <jt-plasma> this is an 8.04 machine let me move over to the lathe it is 10
[17:55:28] <jt-plasma> .04
[17:55:31] <Connor> Ahh.. mine had 400 (when in quadrature mode)
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[17:56:34] <IchGuckLive> Connor: on the incrment set to rotary it is not nessesary to have 100 or more
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[17:56:48] <IchGuckLive> you can see the value in the GLCD
[17:57:01] <IchGuckLive> so one trigger is one incr move
[17:58:04] <IchGuckLive> if the serial is only at 50ms min i will collect all the int by mfg and sent every 50ms
[17:58:13] <Jymmm> EMC PC... http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_VICPro.aspx
[17:58:14] <IchGuckLive> then reset the mfg var
[17:58:33] <JT-Hardinge> jcizek: I don't see anything here
[17:59:25] <IchGuckLive> so there is no timedifferents in seeing and feeling Connor by the operater
[17:59:32] <JT-Hardinge> jcizek: when I open up the Synaptic Package Manager and search for emc I see emc2-dev
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[18:01:00] <IchGuckLive> Connor: arduino can check if the serial is ready so we can send when ever it is
[18:01:31] <jcizek> JT-Hardinge: So there is NOTHING listed in the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[18:01:37] <IchGuckLive> Connor: i will kep on using only USB
[18:01:43] <JT-Shop> jcizek: both have emc2-dev installed
[18:01:48] <JT-Shop> I didn't see anything
[18:02:19] <jcizek> well then im confused. Technically Ubuntu can't install anything without that file
[18:02:24] <Tom_itx> is the package manager list a reflection of those files?
[18:02:53] <jcizek> tom: no, it has nothing to do with packages that are installed
[18:03:16] <jcizek> tom: it's basically a listing of URL type strings that tell the package manager WHERE to look for downloadable packages
[18:03:34] <Tom_itx> jcizek, what are you trying to end up with?
[18:03:52] <IchGuckLive> Connor: most of us only need the Pendant for setting things not to actuality milling
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[18:04:18] <Connor> yea. I'm still going to wire the encoder into the arduino as well..
[18:04:31] <jcizek> tom: the build-dep package i guess... i already have emc-dev and build-essential. They are appaarently not enough as I still get compile errors
[18:04:33] <JT-Hardinge> jcizek: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?ContributedComponents#How_to_compile_and_install_a_component
[18:05:01] <JT-Hardinge> First, install the emc2-dev (sudo apt-get install emc2-dev) and build-essential packages (sudo apt-get install build-essential).
[18:05:05] <IchGuckLive> but we can ad a mill mode by pressing one axis button -> move axis at serten speed till stop butten is pressd
[18:05:13] <JT-Hardinge> brb
[18:08:07] <jcizek> JT-Hardinge: Ya, I already have those packages installed, they are not apparetnly enough as I am still getting undefined declarations in JT-Shop's code while compiling
[18:10:37] <jcizek> jt-shop: did you install emc from a live CD or add it to an existing ubuntu installiation?
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[18:16:53] <Tom_itx> i have a mk-build-deps.1.gz on the hdd
[18:16:57] <Tom_itx> from the live cd
[18:16:59] <Tom_itx> i think
[18:17:42] <IchGuckLive> Connor: im hoping to see first light tomorow http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/300511201711_box_v3.jpg
[18:18:07] <IchGuckLive> the push buttons are still in the order
[18:19:15] <IchGuckLive> by for me today and wishing you all a Happy working Day in the USA
[18:19:37] <Tom_itx> no work today in the usa
[18:19:48] <IchGuckLive> oh holiday
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[18:20:54] <IchGuckLive> Connor: the final pricing will be around 85 Euros including everything
[18:21:21] <IchGuckLive> display color is 8euros more fore backlight
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[18:30:20] <jcizek> Well, i found the lucid sources on linuxcnc.org (the 10.04 sources). There is no build-dep package in those either. I guess i'll have to download a Live-CD and see if it has different packages installed on it. It must.. I assum most of you guys must have installed your linux from a Live-cd with EMC already on it?
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[18:33:15] <Tom_itx> i did
[18:33:33] <Tom_itx> then updated everything
[18:33:37] <Tom_itx> then installed 2.5
[18:34:07] <jcizek1> I installed from a network installation of ubuntu, then installed EMC with the install-emc2.sh script on the linuxcnc.org site. Apparently, they must not include the same things!
[18:34:21] <jcizek1> I am downloading the live CD now. I'll look for build-dep on there
[18:34:48] <Tom_itx> i didn't see it
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[18:36:02] <jcizek1> i am having a hard time understanding how you install packages that don't exist :-)
[18:36:28] <jcizek1> i wonder if build-dep is an ubuntu package, not an emc pacakge
[18:36:32] <Tom_itx> maybe i searched wrong
[18:36:51] <Tom_itx> i have a .gz file on the hdd
[18:36:55] <Tom_itx> but not the live cd
[18:38:41] <jcizek1> tom: where did you get the gz file?
[18:38:58] <Tom_itx> no idea. it was either on the live cd or in the package updates
[18:39:14] <Tom_itx> i did this install ~ 2 days ago
[18:41:34] <Tom_itx> i wouldn't attempt a build myself. i'm too much of a linux noob
[18:42:31] <Tom_itx> i have a mk-build-deps (peril script) and mk-build-deps.1.gz files
[18:42:34] <Tom_itx> on the hdd
[18:45:12] <jcizek1> ugh... i almost can't wait to go back to work just so i can think about something besides EMC problems :_)
[18:46:55] <jcizek1> tom: i found mkbuild-deps.. it's part of the devtools ubuntu package.
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[18:47:18] <jcizek1> not what we are lookikng for here unfortunately
[18:48:28] <jcizek1> well, just finished downloading the ISO for the live cd.... guess i'll format the hard drive and start all over... again!!
[18:49:59] <drmacro> cradek: Looks like the Pico Sys Uni PWM servo controller would allow me to read the encoders and allow me some option for motors later
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[19:15:55] <jcizek1> JT-shop: nice work on the washers. That's a nice CNC conversion on that lathe!
[19:16:35] <Loetmichel> well, enough for today... looks more like a Hexacopter now... todo: landing gear, Electronics, cabling, LEDs... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12034
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[19:26:46] <jcizek1> JT-Shop: Well, just reinstalled from a live cd and now I can install build-dep.... found the right sources line in sources.list now too (wish i could have found that so i didn't have to rebuild!!)
[19:26:59] <jcizek1> but maybe a rebuild was a good thing, with all the weird things i had going on
[19:29:20] <JT-Shop> jcizek1: I'm back, my neighbor had his tractor stuck
[19:31:05] <jcizek1> jt- nice! i have dug more of those out than i can count :)
[19:31:34] <JT-Shop> I just pulled him out... my backhoe is bigger than his tractor :)
[19:31:38] <jcizek1> i am just finishing installing the dev and build and such pkgs.... should be able to report if your code compiles properly here in a few m;inutes
[19:31:44] <JT-Shop> so your up and going now?
[19:31:50] * Jymmm got a tow truck stuck once =)
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[19:32:23] <jcizek1> got a 35' track hoe stuck in the mud up to the top of the tracks once!
[19:32:52] <JT-Shop> ouch, never get the biggest one stuck
[19:33:14] <jcizek1> haha, that's the golden rule for sure!
[19:33:22] <Jymmm> Well *I* didn't get it stuck per-se, just had to help get in unstuck
[19:34:16] <Jymmm> it was trying to pull out a car that the front end was stuck in 2ft of mud, then it got stuck, then had to get the tow truck unstuck, then the car
[19:34:23] <jcizek1> wow... baseball sized hail falling 5 miles east of me right now... what a storm
[19:35:00] <JT-Shop> ouch we have had enough of that for a year
[19:35:44] <Jymmm> So, how does everyone like this hot and muggy MEmorial Day weather???
[19:36:23] <JT-Shop> 52% humidity here :) for a change
[19:36:33] <Jymmm> sprinkled yesterday, and feels like october today
[19:36:33] <JT-Shop> only 89F
[19:36:45] <jcizek1> JT-shop: (hanging head low) No luck.. same exact errors. hal_init hal_exit hal_export_funct etc etc all undefined
[19:36:58] <Jymmm> Currently 60F
[19:37:23] <JT-Shop> errors or warnings?
[19:37:32] <jcizek1> warnings in the compile
[19:38:09] <JT-Shop> you can ignore warnings
[19:39:09] <jcizek1> no i can't. they crash the RT system and won't let EMC load. They are reported as "unknown symbol in module"
[19:39:42] <JT-Shop> I get 9 warnings when I comp --install
[19:39:46] <jcizek1> i assume i am loading this correctly... i just added that module to the /etc/emc2/rtapi.conf file... right?
[19:40:05] <JT-Shop> no --install does it all for you
[19:40:23] <jcizek1> hmm
[19:40:23] <jcizek1> ok
[19:40:32] <JT-Shop> you just put loadrt thcud
[19:40:33] <jcizek1> so how do i know it was successful?
[19:40:46] <JT-Shop> and addf thcud.0 servo thread
[19:40:50] <JT-Shop> and run your config
[19:41:09] <JT-Shop> and you will see it in the Show Hal Configuration window
[19:41:21] <jcizek1> ok, let me try adding that to my fresh new config i made this morning
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[19:45:52] <JT-Shop> put that in your .hal file
[19:47:49] <jcizek1> what? the addf?
[19:48:28] <JT-Shop> yes, in say your custom.hal file add
[19:48:32] <JT-Shop> loadrt thcud
[19:48:40] <JT-Shop> addf thcud.0 servo-thread
[19:49:29] <jcizek1> ok, added
[19:49:50] <jcizek1> fails
[19:50:03] <jcizek1> HAL: ERROR: function 'thcud.0' not found
[19:50:08] <jcizek1> addf failed
[19:50:38] <JT-Shop> uh, wait that is a singelton drop the .0 from addf
[19:51:21] <jcizek1> ok, it loads now
[19:51:56] <JT-Shop> normally comps add a number but when you declare it as a singleton it does not and you can only load one
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[19:52:20] <JT-Shop> so in your show hal configuration window you can see the thcud pins
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[19:53:12] <jcizek1> ya, i see them there now. I am currently displaying thcud.arc-ok
[19:53:46] <JT-Shop> so now you just have to "connect" the pins up to the right places to work
[19:53:57] <maddogma> OK I have movement on all axes, but having home problems.
[19:54:30] <JT-Shop> not enough information
[19:55:31] <JT-Shop> jcizek1: I have to run now, I'll check back in a bit
[19:55:55] <jcizek1> ok thanks.. looks like we are in for a HUGE storm so i may have to go batten down the hatches anyway
[19:56:10] <maddogma> I added HOME_IGNORE_LIMITS to the .ini to each axis defined. Now when I home, I only get two "Joint X on limit switch error" messages than three.
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[20:00:00] <Poland_user> Hello, I'm new EMC2 user
[20:00:18] <Poland_user> I need help to compile EMC2 in gentoo linux
[20:00:26] <Poland_user> I have RTAI compiled
[20:00:29] <maddogma> Single switch per axis, wired NO with one input per axis. The NC contacts on each switch are wired in series and feed pin 15.
[20:01:00] <Poland_user> I have error
[20:01:15] <Poland_user> In function 'hm2_8i20_create':
[20:01:20] <Poland_user> error: implicit declaration of function 'kmalloc'
[20:01:28] <Poland_user> error: implicit declaration of function 'kfree'
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[20:01:58] <Poland_user> can any one halp me with compilation error ?
[20:02:51] <Poland_user> pleas
[20:03:17] <jcizek1> what are you trying to compile?
[20:03:28] <jcizek1> oh
[20:03:29] <jcizek1> sorry
[20:03:30] <jcizek1> i see
[20:03:36] <Poland_user> because I have INTEL GMA graphic card
[20:03:52] <Poland_user> I need cutsom linux
[20:04:19] <Poland_user> on gentoo linux I have acceleration easy
[20:04:28] <Poland_user> I have intel atom procesor
[20:04:37] <Poland_user> I need base quick system
[20:05:17] <Poland_user> do anyone know why I have got erros that I have pasted ??
[20:06:09] <Poland_user> what gcc version is the best for compilation ??
[20:07:26] <Poland_user> bump
[20:07:33] <Poland_user> list
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[20:09:31] <Poland_user> Pleas help !
[20:14:21] <Poland_user> Is there any expert ??
[20:14:38] <Poland_user> Or do you know when the expert will com ??
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[20:18:24] <Poland_user> no one can halp me
[20:18:47] <Poland_user> I have got the error while compiling
[20:19:00] <andypugh> Let me check back through the log.
[20:19:00] <Poland_user> In function 'hm2_8i20_create':
[20:19:05] <Poland_user> error: implicit declaration of function 'kmalloc'
[20:19:10] <andypugh> Ah, that sounds like my failt..
[20:19:21] <Poland_user> error: implicit declaration of function 'kfree
[20:19:24] <Poland_user> gentoo linux
[20:19:50] <Poland_user> do you know haw to compile it ???
[20:20:13] <andypugh> I would expect all the other modules to fail, as they use kmalloc and kfree too.
[20:20:57] <Poland_user> modules was compiling until /mesa_8i20.o
[20:21:12] <Poland_user> then the com pilation faild
[20:21:39] <Poland_user> I can send you files
[20:21:45] <Poland_user> emerge --info =sci-misc/emc-9999
[20:21:50] <Poland_user> emerge -pqv =sci-misc/emc-9999
[20:22:00] <Poland_user> /var/tmp/portage/sci-misc/emc-9999/temp/build.log
[20:22:19] <Poland_user> do you need any ??
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[20:23:36] <Poland_user> bump
[20:23:41] <Poland_user> ?
[20:24:02] <andypugh> I am afraid that the details of compilation are a mystery to me. It normally just works.
[20:24:19] <Poland_user> I have compiled kernel with RTAI and RTAI modules
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[20:25:20] <andypugh> It appears that it might be a bug with certain Gentoo versions?
[20:25:59] <Poland_user> I have version of all libs in one command
[20:26:07] <Poland_user> I can give output
[20:26:36] <Poland_user> base libs:
[20:26:46] <Poland_user> app-shells/bash: 4.1_p9
[20:26:46] <Poland_user> dev-lang/python: 2.7.1-r1, 3.1.3-r1
[20:26:46] <Poland_user> dev-util/cmake: 2.8.4-r1
[20:26:46] <Poland_user> sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.2
[20:26:47] <Poland_user> sys-apps/openrc: 0.8.2-r1
[20:26:49] <Poland_user> sys-apps/sandbox: 2.4
[20:26:51] <Poland_user> sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.65-r1
[20:26:54] <Poland_user> sys-devel/automake: 1.11.1
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[20:26:56] <Poland_user> sys-devel/binutils: 2.20.1-r1
[20:26:59] <Poland_user> sys-devel/gcc: 4.3.4, 4.4.4-r2
[20:27:01] <Poland_user> sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1-r1
[20:27:04] <Poland_user> sys-devel/libtool: 2.2.10
[20:27:06] <Poland_user> sys-devel/make: 3.81-r2
[20:27:09] <Poland_user> sys-kernel/linux-headers:
[20:27:09] <andypugh> kmalloc is a system library, it really should just be there.
[20:27:11] <Poland_user> sys-libs/glibc: 2.12.2
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[20:27:37] <Poland_user> those arewhite
[20:27:41] <Poland_user> white
[20:27:45] <Poland_user> I will check
[20:27:48] <andypugh> You could try #include <slab.h> at the beginning of the file.
[20:28:15] <Poland_user> on the beginning with file ?
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[20:29:36] <andypugh> src/hal/drivers/mesa_hostmot2/mesa_8i20.c
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[20:30:30] <Poland_user> ok, white
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[20:31:32] <andypugh> Looks like the actual line is:
[20:31:33] <andypugh> #include <linux/slab.h>
[20:32:25] <andypugh> Looks like an omission on my part, most of the other drivers include it.
[20:33:51] <Poland_user> ok
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[20:33:55] <Poland_user> I have add
[20:34:00] <Poland_user> compiling
[20:34:07] <Poland_user> pleas white
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[20:35:17] <andypugh> mesa_7i65.c probably also needs it.
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[20:37:12] <Poland_user> compiling
[20:37:40] <Poland_user> (I have add include mesa_7i65.c too)
[20:37:56] <Poland_user> Intel atom is slow so compiling
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[20:40:49] <Poland_user> usr/src/linux/include/linux/types.h:13:2: warning: #warning "Attempt to use kernel headers from user space, see http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelHeaders"
[20:41:06] <Poland_user> I have this waring all the time during compilation
[20:41:10] <Poland_user> is it important ??
[20:41:24] <andypugh> I don't know. Sounds like a Gentoo thing.
[20:41:45] <Poland_user> kernel is pure (no Gentoo patches)
[20:41:56] <andypugh> Is there a really good reason that you are compiling on Gentoo, rather than taking the easy option of a Ubuntu Live-CD?
[20:42:42] <Poland_user> I would like to build CNC mill machine with a small embeded EMC linux distro
[20:42:48] <Poland_user> it has to be small
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[20:42:53] <Poland_user> quick
[20:42:59] <Poland_user> Intel atom on board
[20:43:02] <anonimasu> Poland_user: it dosent get smaller or better then the emc live cd
[20:43:07] <Poland_user> so think gentoo
[20:43:09] <anonimasu> many have tried and failed and it's a waste of time
[20:43:22] <andypugh> The stock installation runs really well on the the D50MO Mini-ITX board, and they are chep.
[20:43:41] <andypugh> Sorry, that's D510MO
[20:43:51] <Poland_user> I ahve itx
[20:43:58] <Poland_user> D510
[20:44:01] <Poland_user> exact
[20:44:14] <Poland_user> Intel GMA graphic on board
[20:44:31] <Poland_user> and I hav start graphic acceleration on gentoo
[20:44:41] <andypugh> So, install from the LiveCD. That's what my system is, and it all fits easily on a 8GB SSD
[20:44:42] <Poland_user> on ubuntu I faild acceleration
[20:45:03] <andypugh> EMC2 doesn't need graphics accelleration.
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[20:45:27] <Poland_user> live cd kernel sucks
[20:45:42] <andypugh> There are dozens of us running the stock LiveCD install on the D510MO.
[20:46:10] <Poland_user> do you have cutsom kernel ??
[20:46:17] <andypugh> Fine, make your life hard than, but no matter what your opinion is of the kernel, it works, and yours doesn't/
[20:46:42] <Poland_user> do you have compiled kernel or genkernel ??
[20:47:15] <Poland_user> ??
[20:47:17] <andypugh> http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/21/4/lang,en/
[20:47:36] <Poland_user> compilation faild
[20:47:38] <Poland_user> In function 'hm2_8i20_create':
[20:47:44] <Poland_user> error: implicit declaration of function 'kmalloc'
[20:47:51] <Poland_user> error: implicit declaration of function 'kfree'
[20:47:53] <Poland_user> :(
[20:48:08] <Poland_user> what os the kmalloc ??
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[20:48:18] <Poland_user> is it part of some libray ?
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[20:48:24] <andypugh> It's a kernel utitilty for allocating memory
[20:48:44] <andypugh> What hardware are you going to use?
[20:48:55] <Poland_user> LPT for now
[20:49:15] <Poland_user> itx D510MO mobo
[20:49:31] <andypugh> In that case, you don't need the 8i20 driver. You can just use the released EMC2 version (2.4.6, I think)
[20:50:07] <andypugh> Grab the liveCD image from the link I posted above. Install. Job done, no compiling, no making a custom kernel.
[20:50:29] <anonimasu> Poland_user: I seriously think you shouldnt say antyhing wether the sock kernel sucks when you cant get the realtime stuff compiled and your a gentoo user just my 5c
[20:50:34] <anonimasu> stock...
[20:50:42] <anonimasu> because that just shows your own ignorance to things
[20:50:52] <anonimasu> there's a guide in the wiki, it's not very extremely heavy to get it working
[20:51:19] <anonimasu> and if you can make statements that it sucks, well, i guess you are contributing to alt.kernel.dev reguarily...
[20:51:35] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:52:25] <andypugh> Right guys, I am going to log off and dismantle my iMac to replace the hard drive. I am unlikely to be back soon, if at all....
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[20:53:46] <Poland_user> I have just follow instruction from wiki
[20:53:50] <Poland_user> emc on gentoo
[20:53:58] <Poland_user> everything go well
[20:54:02] <Poland_user> until now
[20:54:18] <Poland_user> I have kernel patched (RTAI)
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[20:54:26] <Poland_user> and I have RTAI libs
[20:54:33] <Poland_user> I'm so close
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[20:54:40] <Poland_user> just EMC2 compilation
[20:54:56] <Poland_user> I know that Live CD work
[20:55:00] <Poland_user> I have tested it
[20:55:02] <Poland_user> but
[20:55:13] <Poland_user> jitter is not so nice
[20:55:47] <Poland_user> I have read that when you compile kernel and emc from sourcec it will be better
[20:55:48] <FinboySlick> Poland_user: just so you know, don't expect graphics accel to fix your jitter.
[20:56:41] <Poland_user> maby rgaphic accel no but kernel compilation and emc cmpilation yes
[20:57:09] <FinboySlick> Poland_user: What's your max jitter as is?
[20:57:24] <Poland_user> about 9000
[20:57:34] <Poland_user> I have read 5000 is when you compile
[20:57:44] <FinboySlick> I started with 100 000 on my current box.
[20:58:01] <FinboySlick> I'm down to 4700.
[20:58:13] <anonimasu> Poland_user: that's a good neat jitter
[20:58:22] <FinboySlick> All I did was use a different network card, disabled a raid controller and generally tweaking the board.
[20:58:34] <Poland_user> have you made kernel compilation ?
[20:58:42] <FinboySlick> Poland_user: No.
[20:59:17] <Poland_user> ok, so what should I do to down jitter ?
[20:59:26] <Poland_user> I have disabel HT
[20:59:40] <FinboySlick> I'm a gentoo user. I'm typing this to you from a gentoo box, almost all my linux boxes are gentoo and I have a few production servers that are also gentoo. But I wouldn't run gentoo on something like my mill.
[20:59:46] <Poland_user> and I have one core isolated
[21:00:42] <anonimasu> I ran my cutting machine up to about 4m/min successfully with 10-11k jitter...
[21:01:02] <Poland_user> I like gentoo so I was thinking that it would be best solution
[21:01:09] <Poland_user> I have servos
[21:01:20] <Poland_user> 3000 RPM
[21:01:22] <elmo40> I have about 7000 jitter. my rig seems to run fine.
[21:01:23] <Poland_user> and encoder
[21:01:43] <anonimasu> you dont need alot less jitter for that kind of setup
[21:01:53] <Poland_user> max encoder resolution is 10 000
[21:01:53] <anonimasu> if you have a hardware counter(pico systems or mesa)
[21:02:10] <anonimasu> but dont expect anything without that kind of hardware to work out nicely
[21:02:13] <Poland_user> yes, I would like tobuy mesa card
[21:02:15] <Poland_user> 5i20
[21:02:18] <anonimasu> they work very good...
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[21:02:49] <Poland_user> but for now I would like to try on LPT port
[21:02:52] <anonimasu> I dont know about their servo drives, but I have their 2kw ac drive that i'll hook up sometime next week or something
[21:02:58] <anonimasu> if time permits
[21:03:09] <anonimasu> and a small dc driver from them also, nicely sitting in a box
[21:03:14] <Poland_user> I have china servos
[21:03:16] <Poland_user> 1kW
[21:03:33] <Poland_user> STEP/DIR control
[21:03:46] <Poland_user> I have test it on linuxcnc live
[21:03:51] <Poland_user> and it work
[21:04:01] <Poland_user> but I have some random RTAI errors
[21:04:22] <Poland_user> maby I have setup jitter to hard
[21:05:02] <Poland_user> so I would like to get better jitter on compiled kernel
[21:05:29] <Poland_user> ok
[21:05:34] <Poland_user> I have question
[21:05:35] <anonimasu> I think JT-Shop has the same board as you
[21:06:13] <Poland_user> what jitter he has ?
[21:08:12] <anonimasu> stick around until he shows up
[21:08:59] <Poland_user> one moment I need to exit for 1 minute
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[21:10:26] <Poland_user> ok
[21:10:31] <Poland_user> I'm back
[21:11:13] <Poland_user> ok, so I have question
[21:11:27] <Poland_user> when I buy 5i20 mesa card
[21:11:38] <Poland_user> it would be running on LiveCD ??
[21:12:31] <Poland_user> or do I have to make some modification on Live distro ?
[21:13:33] * elmo40 does not understand the question...
[21:14:29] <Poland_user> 5i20 mesa card require kernel compilation or it will run on genkernel ??
[21:15:55] <anonimasu> it will run on the stock install
[21:16:57] <Poland_user> ok, so you are suggesting Live CD instalation and no compilation, is there any way to get the Live CD small ??
[21:17:06] <Poland_user> 1GB instalation ??
[21:18:59] <Poland_user> I have found 1GB very quick flashcard it's low cost
[21:19:26] <Poland_user> Can I put LiveCD to thise card ?
[21:23:34] <Poland_user> Ok, I have to go
[21:24:03] <Poland_user> Thank you very much for help, I think that I will try to LiveCD
[21:24:16] <Poland_user> maby you have right
[21:24:47] <Poland_user> and it is the better solution and pervormance is a matter os settings and mobo tweeks
[21:25:12] <Poland_user> One more thanks for converations and halp
[21:25:17] <Poland_user> by
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[21:26:26] <JT-Shop> yep, I have a couple D510MO's
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[23:00:29] <andypugh-iPhone> HD update went fine, but having trouble with the Windows partition. (the MacOS partition cloned with no bother, the windows one won't boot).
[23:01:28] <andypugh-iPhone> So I am sat here like it's 1995 looking at XP textmode install screens.
[23:01:47] <jdhNC> boot the recovery console and do a fixmbr ?
[23:01:51] <jdhNC> or fix*
[23:02:25] <andypugh-iPhone> Yes, that would have been the going to do if I had half a clue about Winows.
[23:03:29] <andypugh-iPhone> Though I am concerned about the partition size. How big can FAT32 go?
[23:04:23] <jdhNC> big
[23:05:09] <jdhNC> why fat32?
[23:06:24] <andypugh-iPhone> That is the only Windows format that MacOS can create a partition with
[23:06:40] <jdhNC> oh
[23:06:51] <jdhNC> sounds like you are trying to overcomplicate your life :)
[23:07:03] <jdhNC> have you considered just having 3 wives instead.
[23:07:39] <andypugh-iPhone> The Mac can boot int Windows, if I want to use Autodesk Inventor.
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[23:34:45] <Tom_itx> discovered a major flaw in my sherline z axis
[23:35:13] <Tom_itx> i just figured they knew what they were doing when they made the retrofit for the steppers
[23:35:37] <Tom_itx> the stepper mount has been rubbing on the thrust bearing for years now
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[23:36:17] <Tom_itx> i always thought the z axis was sluggish
[23:38:23] <FinboySlick> I just found my old Sherline rotary table :)
[23:38:41] <FinboySlick> If I can toss together a nice little driver and motor, I might go 5 axis :)
[23:39:59] <andypugh> 6-axis, you can never have to many
[23:40:57] <FinboySlick> Actually, getting my hands on a little industrial robot arm would make me pretty giddy. There's tons relatively cheap for sale around here.
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[23:43:59] <andypugh> I know of one in Dewsbury.
[23:44:50] <FinboySlick> I'd only have room for a very small one. I need to get a bigger place ;)
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