#emc | Logs for 2011-05-20

[00:00:25] <Tom_itx> they had some in there from ww2
[00:00:43] <Tom_itx> i was diggin around in the basement one night and found form tools for 50cal casings etc
[00:00:50] <JT-Shop> each spindle had tools or parts?
[00:00:55] <Tom_itx> both
[00:01:06] <Tom_itx> each spindle did part of each part
[00:01:24] <Tom_itx> cross slides and turret slide
[00:02:04] <JT-Shop> time for me to cook dinner
[00:02:17] <JT-Shop> everyone is welcome it is pizza night
[00:02:42] <Tom_itx> they had about 20 or 30 of those in the shop
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[00:17:41] <Tom_L> http://nova-machinery.com/inventory/picture/101753d.html
[00:18:41] <Tom_L> http://nova-machinery.com/inventory/picture/101706-3.html
[00:18:44] <Tom_L> feeder tubes
[00:19:22] <Tom_L> http://nova-machinery.com/inventory/picture/101706-7.html
[00:19:24] <Tom_L> spindle gears
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[00:21:31] <Tom_L> http://nova-machinery.com/inventory/picture/101830-5.html
[00:21:48] <Tom_L> there's a decent shot of an 8 spnidle showing the cross and turret slides
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[00:34:37] <Tom_itx> the collet tubes were probably around 2' long
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[01:07:21] <Tom_L> ok i found some 6cond $ ground, maybe i can do something with that
[01:19:04] <Tom_L> ah hah
[01:19:36] * Tom_L salvages some old ab parport switchbox cables
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[02:08:42] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Oh, if you only needed short pieces you should have said so. I thought you needed 10+ft
[02:09:51] <Tom_L> i need a couple, this one is handy since it has the parport end on it
[02:10:14] <Tom_L> i think the other one may have almost enough wires in it for the pendant
[02:10:44] <Jymmm> Heh, new uses for ansient AB boxes
[02:10:48] <Tom_L> i've also got a phone trunk wire i could use but that would be overkill for that
[02:11:04] <Jymmm> heh
[02:11:05] <Tom_L> this little driver box used a parport connector for the io
[02:11:44] <Tom_L> the wires seem easy enough to identify, they're color coded
[02:11:56] <Tom_L> black, black/white, brown.....
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[03:37:38] <Gensor> how much hard drive space for ubuntu
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[03:42:11] <atom1> well you can't leave that fast and expect an answer
[03:43:00] <Jymmm> atom1: He waited 119s, what more do you expect?
[03:43:15] <atom1> /dev/sda1 ext4 29461480 3642804 24322100 14% /
[03:43:27] <atom1> that's what i got from the live cd install
[03:43:37] <atom1> and maybe a couple extra things
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[03:46:42] <atom1> you gotta stick around if you expect an answer dude
[03:47:54] <Gensor> had to reboot, system locked up
[03:48:01] <atom1> /dev/sda1 ext4 29461480 3642804 24322100 14% /
[03:48:15] <atom1> that's the live cd install with maybe a couple extra things
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[03:50:11] <Gensor> this would be my first linux install in 20 some years... so is that 3 gig
[03:51:01] <Tom_itx> 3.6M is what i see
[03:51:19] <Gensor> and emc2.x
[03:52:16] <Tom_itx> mmm maybe it is 3G
[03:52:50] <Gensor> thanks!
[03:53:59] <Tom_itx> it's a 32G ssd
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[04:01:13] <Gensor> is there a link to download both?
[04:13:16] <Gensor> found it.... any other apps you suggest?
[04:15:47] <Tom_itx> ngc something
[04:15:53] <Tom_itx> i haven't downloaded that yet
[04:16:56] <Gensor> wallpaper?
[04:17:05] <Tom_itx> ngcgui
[04:17:26] <Valen> xchat
[04:17:59] <Valen> flash plugin nonfree (i think its ok on 32 bit, dont install it on 64 bit, it does stupid stuff)
[04:18:13] <Tom_itx> <willburrrr2003> so the ngcgui generates g-code files?
[04:18:13] <Tom_itx> <willburrrr2003> if I am understanding what I was just reading
[04:18:13] <Tom_itx> <JT-Shop> yes, you create your subroutine once then when you want to turn the od for example you just fill in the blanks...
[04:18:13] <Tom_itx> <
[04:19:40] <Valen> I have my 10.04 installed in a 20Gb partition without issue
[04:20:20] <Tom_itx> where do you get 2.5?
[04:20:22] <Valen> heck my current desktop has 14GB used and thats my day to day machine
[04:20:48] <Valen> Tom_itx: git?
[04:20:58] <Tom_itx> from the linuxcnc site?
[04:21:02] <Valen> I'm running the daily builds
[04:21:08] <Valen> there was a place I saw
[04:21:15] <Gensor> I will be building a dual boot this weekend and was curious
[04:21:56] <Tom_itx> Valen, do you have to build it or just get it?
[04:21:58] <Valen> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ perhaps
[04:22:03] <Valen> i use those
[04:22:27] <Valen> I needed something from master and that was the easiest way to get it
[04:23:38] <Tom_itx> the 2.5 branch pre-release is stable?
[04:24:19] <Tom_itx> and which one of those do i need?
[04:24:25] <Tom_itx> lucid hardy...
[04:26:17] <Valen> umm i think 10.04 is hardy
[04:26:26] <Valen> why do you want to run a later version?
[04:26:37] <Tom_itx> the realtime ver?
[04:26:44] <Tom_itx> what's simulation?
[04:26:46] <Valen> ahh no its lucid
[04:26:58] <Valen> simulation you run with no hardware, its all faked
[04:27:05] <Tom_itx> mine's on an atom D525
[04:27:09] <Valen> so you can run gcode on say your desktop
[04:27:10] <Tom_itx> oh
[04:27:15] <Tom_itx> forget that
[04:27:47] <Tom_itx> will it also run on hardware or is it just for testing?
[04:28:19] <Tom_itx> i mean, is it like a tool path verification thing?
[04:28:22] <Valen> you can have sim and non sim installed at the same time
[04:28:23] <Tom_itx> like nsee
[04:28:47] <Valen> its exactly the same its just compiled without realtime
[04:29:27] <Tom_itx> i'll stick with the realtime i think
[04:29:45] <Valen> if you want to run a mill its probably best
[04:29:50] <Tom_itx> will it screw up my hal and ini files?
[04:29:52] <Valen> you can still load the sim ini file
[04:30:05] <Valen> dunno, I installed then copied everything in
[04:30:10] <Valen> i don't think it will though
[04:30:17] <Tom_itx> i'll probably back them up anyway
[04:30:47] <Tom_itx> something for tomorrow
[04:30:58] <Valen> (i believe it leaves everything alone unless its empty)
[04:31:05] <Valen> why do you want to run 2.5?
[04:31:12] <Tom_itx> why not?
[04:31:40] <Valen> its not "officially supported"
[04:31:53] <Tom_itx> soon to be?
[04:31:54] <Valen> and unless you need something out of it its probably not worth the hassle
[04:31:59] <Tom_itx> mkay
[04:32:02] <Valen> nfi, they are pretty conservative
[04:32:04] <Tom_itx> i'll think about it
[04:32:16] <Valen> I did it to get a better feed back thingo for using mesa cards with servos
[04:32:42] <Tom_itx> well i'm using steppers
[04:32:54] <Gensor> are you running 8i20?
[04:33:03] <Tom_itx> 7I43
[04:33:21] <Tom_itx> on mine
[04:33:48] <Tom_itx> k, gnite
[04:34:17] <Valen> cya
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[09:25:44] <Loetmichel> good morning
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[11:24:26] <jthornton> Tom_itx: are you around?
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[11:36:41] <Tom_itx> ?
[11:36:58] <jthornton> did you figure out where to get 2.5?
[11:37:12] <Tom_itx> i think so
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[11:37:34] <jthornton> you can get it about 3 different ways :)
[11:37:40] <Tom_itx> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
[11:37:48] <jthornton> yep
[11:38:10] <Tom_itx> not sure i need it though
[11:39:05] <jthornton> you could just install 2.4 and wait for the release if there are no features on 2.5 that you need
[11:39:29] <jthornton> are you going to use ngcgui with axis?
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[11:50:11] <Tom_itx> i thought about trying it
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[11:54:14] <Tom_itx> that may have been why i kept thinking in needed to get it
[11:57:00] <jthornton> ngcgui can run in either 2.4 or 2.5 but with 2.5 you now have SUBROUTINE_PATH setting in the ini which makes it easier to organize the subs
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[12:22:41] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: why you like ngcgui so much? I thought you have SW + CAM ?
[12:23:11] <Jymmm> jthornton: ^^^
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[12:47:14] <jthornton> Jymmm: for many ops ngcgui is so much faster to get to the end result than CAD+CAM
[12:47:37] <Jymmm> k
[12:48:33] <jthornton> I can do 95% of the ops on the lathe with ngcgui and have them programmed in seconds
[12:48:58] <jthornton> I can do simple shapes on the plasma as well
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[12:50:29] <jthornton> If I'm doing more than one part you can concatenate the subs to form one complete program with ngcgui
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[12:52:12] <jthornton> right now the only problem I have is with my profile sub, I use G92 to offset the profile and it screws with CSS so my logic is flawed
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[13:05:25] <JT-Shop> http://books.google.com/books?id=JNnQ8r5merMC&pg=PA318&lpg=PA318&dq=G72+Roughing+cycle&source=bl&ots=PYMFQU3SyN&sig=ihzo48gV180lbsgW6VM8I4OYOWY&hl=en&ei=fWbWTdraG8WtgQePuM2jBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=G72%20Roughing%20cycle&f=false
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[13:42:15] <skunkworks> so - does anyone remember there logic series? I am looking for an inverter/buffer - open collector that will handle 30v or so on the output.
[13:42:25] <skunkworks> coming up blank so far
[13:45:03] <JT-Shop> awallin_: did you get a chance to look at the zenbot config to see if anything looks odd to you?
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[13:54:12] <JT-Shop> logger[psha]: log
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[14:05:32] <archivist> skunkworks, there was one to drive neons
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[14:06:58] <archivist> skunkworks, but these days just use a ULN200X series
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[14:15:49] <ssi> skunkworks: 7404?
[14:15:49] <ssi> er
[14:15:51] <ssi> 7407
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[14:19:49] <awallin_> JT-Shop: nope, maybe later... are the ini/hal on the forum now?
[14:20:51] <skunkworks> archivist: thanks!
[14:21:01] <skunkworks> ssi - too low voltage - thanks
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[14:21:34] <ssi> you wanted 30v, this datasheet says 30v :)
[14:21:38] <ssi> 30v MAX, sure, but...
[14:23:16] <SWPadnos> skunkworks, what output current?
[14:23:20] <JT-Shop> awallin_: yes he attached them
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[14:35:44] <skunkworks> nothing
[14:35:46] <skunkworks> heh
[14:35:52] <skunkworks> SWPadnos: input to a plc
[14:35:57] <skunkworks> few ma
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[14:36:37] <bzzzz> so i read someone say that usb isn't suitable for emc. what about udp?
[14:38:12] <jdhNC> do you have a device that does udp
[14:39:30] <bzzzz> um, yeah? hard not to find a micro w/o built-in ethernet
[14:40:00] <awallin_> there is some work on real time ethernet
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[14:40:29] <bzzzz> awallin_: on the rtos end or in emc's rtapi?
[14:40:39] <awallin_> but it's not that common. maybe because it depends on the particulars of your ethernet chip (both on the pc side and the servodrive or IO-control side)
[14:41:16] <jdhNC> if there are only 2 nodes, it should be pretty deterministic anyway
[14:41:52] <bzzzz> awallin_: i don't get what you meant by "particulars." ethernet is ethernet, right?
[14:42:21] <awallin_> yes, but the real-time performance of the driver for your NIC might vary. I think
[14:43:50] <awallin_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FPGA#Real_Time_communication_via_ethernet
[14:45:51] <jdhNC> udp isn't ethernet specific though
[14:46:43] * anonimasu is ordering a mesa servo drive
[14:46:45] <FinboySlick> If you drive all axis from the same UDP frame, wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the problem?
[14:47:01] <jdhNC> how do you know the other end got the udp frame
[14:47:10] <anonimasu> udp is kindof shit for anything important
[14:47:37] <jdhNC> it doesn't have to be, you can make your own reliability on top of udp
[14:47:58] <FinboySlick> But then you're a lot more latency-bound.
[14:48:55] <Loetmichel> *rage* I HAT the "one cent cheaper" Engineers. Just made a new (steel) Casing for a HP 24" TFT. had to elongate on of the ccfl cables by 20cm. -> Inverters on SMPS dies after 10 ninutes due capacitive overload :-(
[14:49:08] <SWPadnos> the answer is yes, UDP is appropriate for EMC, but there is no current implementation
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[14:49:38] <jdhNC> UDP is more appropriate than TCP?
[14:49:46] <SWPadnos> and there will be constraints on any ethernet-based system, regardless of the miplementation
[14:50:32] <jdhNC> even though ethernet is inherently non-deterministic? upd/tcp/whatever seem too far down the line to be the limiting factor
[14:50:43] <SWPadnos> TCP may also be fine, but it is a larger protocol (so less suitable for microcontrollers), and has some options that UDP doesn't (like splitting large packets)
[14:51:20] <SWPadnos> in the cases where they really differ, you wouldn't want to run a CNC anyway
[14:51:33] <jdhNC> vs. plain ethernet frame size limitations?
[14:51:47] <SWPadnos> (ie, TCP is "reliable", in that it will retry packets that aren't acknowldeged. if you're missing a lot of packets, you have other problems)
[14:52:23] <SWPadnos> well, TCP has the "right" to split up your packet and transmit the pieces out of order
[14:52:26] <SWPadnos> UDP doesn't
[14:52:37] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure how frame size limits apply there
[14:52:53] <anonimasu> PCW: are you there?
[14:53:01] <anonimasu> PCW: I need some cabling help for the 8i20
[14:53:04] <jdhNC> and the transport layer has the right to deliver the UDP packets in any order it wants
[14:53:12] <FinboySlick> Off the top of my head, the simplest way to do it with mild reliability is an udp frame broadcast with commands for all synchronized axis and a sequence number. They then would unicast reply to the controller that they got the command and you don't send a new command to the nodes until you heard from all of them.
[14:53:35] <bzzzz> SWPadnos: what constraints, for example?
[14:53:39] <SWPadnos> sure, if you start getting into "large" networks, you can run into problems. these are the extra constraints I was talking about
[14:53:51] <SWPadnos> bzzzz, well, you won't want to run a CNC over the internet, for example
[14:53:54] <anonimasu> also what's the damn phone number for mesa's fax...
[14:53:59] <bzzzz> that's just asking for trouble
[14:54:01] <anonimasu> the +??? stuff
[14:54:09] <jdhNC> upd vs. tcp seems moot compared to the overall non-realtimeness of ethernet
[14:54:11] <SWPadnos> so network size, number of hops, routing are all potential gotchas
[14:54:33] <bzzzz> fuck it, i'll just work with spi
[14:54:37] <SWPadnos> a controlled ethernet collision domain is pretty deterministic actually
[14:55:05] <SWPadnos> that's what RTNet does - it specifies when each device is allowed to transmit
[14:55:14] <SWPadnos> CDMA over ethernet
[14:55:25] <jdhNC> if you control it that much, use raw ethernet and get rid of the overhead of IP & UDP/TCP
[14:55:32] <SWPadnos> sure, you can do that too
[14:55:57] <SWPadnos> though UDP may be an easier programming interface to work with, since you can open a UDP socket pretty easily
[14:56:18] <SWPadnos> I don't know what you have to do to get access to the ethernet line like a fast serial port
[14:56:34] <bzzzz> get a good switch?
[14:56:39] <SWPadnos> (of course, it's packet based, so you can't just toss out characters like you can on a serial line)
[14:56:44] <SWPadnos> good for what?
[14:56:49] <SWPadnos> switches add delays
[14:57:05] <bzzzz> deterministic delays
[14:57:14] <SWPadnos> and also may break the ordering of transmissions
[14:57:29] <SWPadnos> though that shouldn't be a problem if you control when each device transmits
[14:57:56] <jdhNC> doesn't sound much like plain shareable ethernet anymore
[14:58:11] <SWPadnos> no. you need a separate "machine net"
[14:58:12] <jdhNC> so, you don't need the standards/consistency/etc.
[14:58:19] <bzzzz> well, my aim was to find some viable alternative to pci
[14:58:23] <SWPadnos> that can't have your normal LAN/internet traffic on it
[14:58:31] <jdhNC> so UDP or wtf just adds latency/overhead
[14:58:48] <SWPadnos> some, but you'd probably have to add that to a custom protocol anyway
[14:58:51] <jdhNC> utilizing existing stacks, you can't even count on in-order receipt of UPD
[14:59:32] <SWPadnos> sure, you have to control when each device transmits
[14:59:36] <SWPadnos> see RTNet
[14:59:55] <jdhNC> right, so it's not ethenet anymore.
[15:00:16] <FinboySlick> as far as I'm aware, protocol-wise, you can have all your devices on the same 'cable' with ethernet.
[15:00:37] <jdhNC> sure, but that requires collision detection and inherent non-determinancy
[15:00:48] <FinboySlick> But you can handle that in your protocol.
[15:01:02] <SWPadnos> just remember, if you want to work on this more, EMC likes to get a status update and send out a new command every servo cycle (1ms or faster), so consider that there needs to be enough time for the PC to ask all the attached devices for info, get responses, and send commands to all the devices in that 1ms (or less)
[15:01:09] <FinboySlick> Obviously, you'd have to use it *just* for your control, not go surf the interweb over it too.
[15:01:17] <anonimasu> can someone of you that's in the us help me out to find the richmond ca phone number for mesa?
[15:01:32] <jdhNC> ethernet is great because it is ubiquitous and you can plug in anything/everything and it just works. When you add teh constraints for RTness, it loses its value
[15:01:51] <bzzzz> um
[15:02:00] <SWPadnos> http://mesanet.com/ - it's on the front page
[15:02:07] <bzzzz> what if you were stuck without pci?
[15:02:09] <bzzzz> or a parport?
[15:02:13] <anonimasu> so I just stick +1 before?
[15:02:13] <SWPadnos> (510) 223-9272
[15:02:21] <anonimasu> for international
[15:02:22] <SWPadnos> yeah, whatever you need to get to the US
[15:02:37] <SWPadnos> but consider that it's just about 8:00 AM there, so they may not be in for another hour or so
[15:02:45] <jdhNC> I use ethernet all the time for controls, but I just need 'fast-enough', not hard real time.
[15:02:49] <bzzzz> can't use usb at all, forget about network topology
[15:03:17] <SWPadnos> have fun with it. see you later
[15:03:29] <bzzzz> SWPadnos: thanks for the insight
[15:05:03] <bzzzz> i have a feeling that this has been brought up many, many times before...
[15:05:46] <FinboySlick> jdhNC: Assuming you have all your devices on the same wire, and you only need precise timing in one direction, it could still work quite well.
[15:06:04] <jdhNC> if you say so.
[15:07:23] <FinboySlick> jdhNC: You'd need to add busses every time you need to synchronize to something else though. For example, you drive a 3 axis mill with one buss, get spindle feedback from another bus.
[15:08:15] <jdhNC> by the time you make it reliable enough to use, it is no longer interoperable with existing devices
[15:08:26] <jdhNC> when it loses ubiquity, what advantage does it have?
[15:09:43] <jdhNC> imo... I've been hearing vendors talk about real-time over ethernet for at least 15 years.
[15:10:27] <FinboySlick> Well, any vendor trying you can run something like that on an existing infrastructure is bullshitting, obviously.
[15:11:05] <FinboySlick> I was approaching this as more as a fun hack than commercially viable solution.
[15:12:15] <bzzzz> what if emc could talk to its peripherals over wireless? :>
[15:12:21] <jdhNC> sure... but they have been working at it for years and overall, proprietary interconnects are still the rule
[15:15:20] <Loetmichel> *shitshitshit* new SMPS, second layer Shrink tube on the ccfl-cables, mote distance to the groundplane-> runs now 20min...
[15:15:40] <Loetmichel> I HATE cheapskates in engineering :-(
[15:16:18] <Connor> Loetmichel: Huh ?
[15:18:02] <Loetmichel> Connor:
[15:18:04] <Loetmichel> [16:48:24] <Loetmichel> *rage* I HAT the "one cent cheaper" Engineers. Just made a new (steel) Casing for a HP 24" TFT. had to elongate on of the ccfl cables by 20cm. -> Inverters on SMPS dies after 10 ninutes due capacitive overload :-(
[15:18:24] <Loetmichel> [17:15:47] <Connor> Loetmichel: Huh ?
[15:19:13] <Connor> umm.. okay..
[15:21:18] * JT-Shop hands Loetmichel a cold beer
[15:21:34] <Loetmichel> -> to much capacitive load due cables longer in contact with the steel (ground)
[15:21:35] <Connor> Steel casting for 24" TFT.. What's it for ?
[15:22:40] <Loetmichel> military eavesdropping
[15:24:32] <Loetmichel> the company i work for makes computers which are Temest shielded and/or Rugged
[15:24:36] <Loetmichel> tempest
[15:27:41] <schwege> I take it then that just making a shell for the plastic casing is not a viable option?
[15:28:42] <Loetmichel> schwege: would be to bulky and no chance to connect the Shielded glass Window to the TFT trame
[15:28:45] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[15:32:14] <Loetmichel> the new shell without the TFT: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11984
[15:32:20] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=11987
[15:32:58] <Connor> Site sloooow to load.
[15:33:40] <Loetmichel> all 1mm zinc plated steel, corners welded shut, electronics in the both "backpacks", only the tft panel in te front case
[15:34:11] <Loetmichel> Connor: hmm, ist my private site... shouldn be slow
[15:39:54] <JT-Shop> neat!
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[16:01:57] <JT-Shop> crap no garage door for 2 more weeks... the model I picked is made in the Arctic Circle by Canucks so delivery takes longer :/
[16:11:11] <Loetmichel> <- slightly going mad.... ~120 Stainless steel screws M3*6mm... all to be tighten with a torqe wrench... on ONE monitor ;-)
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[16:23:26] <cpresser> time to change the overall design. use glue :)
[16:24:08] <Loetmichel> cpresser: what Hp engioneets do less, OUR engineer does to much...
[16:24:43] <cpresser> how many of these things were already build?
[16:25:43] <cpresser> its common for the 'first design' to have some glitches. but i try to fix them over time :)
[16:26:53] <Loetmichel> cpresserc: prototype
[16:26:56] <Loetmichel> -c
[16:27:04] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12004
[16:27:09] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12007
[16:28:55] <Loetmichel> just have to connect te new Keypad (for power and so on) to the Videobooard, close the last lid (another 20something screws) and ready to go for measurement in our Spectrum analyzer chambers.
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[16:29:37] <Loetmichel> good thing: the measurement is the job of my boss, so i will be home at about 8 o'clock ;-)
[16:30:03] <Loetmichel> (now its 18:30 over here ;-)
[16:31:31] <willburrrr2003> I did a dry run lastnight for a backic turning operation, 3 inch cut, .010 per cut, from 2.0" dia to 1.5" dia , at about 1/3 of the "cutting" my z axis stepper was so hot I couldn't keep my hand on it for long....do I need to worry about this and dissipate the heat with fan & heatsink?
[16:31:39] <cpresser> sounds like you guys have some serious emv-test-equipment
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[16:31:48] <willburrrr2003> basic*
[16:32:45] <Loetmichel> cpresser: yes, about 1,5 million Eur worth in Rhode&schwarz ;-)
[16:32:47] <cradek> willburrrr2003: I think if the stepper overheats, your current limit is set too high.
[16:33:49] <Loetmichel> ... and the two champers build of steel sheets and clad with 10mm thick ferrite plates ;-)
[16:33:52] <Loetmichel> chambers
[16:34:48] <willburrrr2003> so I should re-calibrate the current limit on my driver board's z-channel then, and see if that fixes the problem... I will add that to my list of weekend work on my lathe
[16:34:54] <cpresser> Loetmichel: does your company offer 'EMV-Prüfung für CE-Prüfzeichen'?
[16:35:00] <Loetmichel> no
[16:35:08] <cpresser> was worth a try :)
[16:35:08] <Loetmichel> wrong limits
[16:35:35] <cpresser> i need someone to check my devices so i can add a 'CE'-Sticker
[16:35:39] <Loetmichel> @ CE-linits our Analyzers will only show "overload"
[16:36:07] <Loetmichel> and we can not SEND into the DuT
[16:36:33] <Loetmichel> cpresser: you dont need to check them for the stickers
[16:36:56] <cpresser> but it would be good to know the decive will not fail the test, in case anyone complains
[16:37:09] <Loetmichel> if you are confident that your Devices are CE-compliant you can simply put the sticker oin it
[16:37:10] <cpresser> as 'insurrance'
[16:37:26] <Loetmichel> ok, you got a point ;-)
[16:37:37] <cpresser> i already did most of the CE-Catalog myself. but i cant do EMV-Stuff
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[16:38:57] <cpresser> afaik a cousin of my girlfriend works at 'cetecom', a company that does EMV-Tests. i may be able to get a decent price for the test if i ask him :)
[16:40:45] <Loetmichel> cpresser: i asked my boss lately: we could do EMV-EMISSION tests. (have to by some other antennas though) but no immission tests and no HV Surge tests
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[16:42:41] <Loetmichel> nice story related: had charged a Li-battery lately, about 20m across the room from the chamber with a cheap chinese Universal charger...
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[16:43:17] <Loetmichel> opened the door of the testchamber: Analyzer says: "overload" from 50khz to 1Ghz... ;-)
[16:43:58] <Loetmichel> and there IS a CE logo on the charger ;-)
[16:44:35] <cpresser> try to blackmail the importer :P
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[16:54:46] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,45/id,9947/lang,english/
[16:55:01] <JT-Shop> any spanish speakers out there?
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[17:26:00] <Loetmichel> OK, , system complete... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12010 *WEEEKEND!* (is there even an english word for "Feierabend?")
[17:32:00] <JT-Shop> when you have a 5 axis machine with XYZBC is AXES = 5 correct or do you have to do like the lathe config and have AXES=6 in the [TRAJ] section of the ini
[17:33:06] <kanzure> is EBo around?
[17:53:58] <cradek> JT-Shop: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_config.html#sub:[TRAJ]-section
[17:55:09] <cradek> JT-Shop: hm, I change my answer to I don't know. I think it should be 6, but the docs hint ("will generally be") that it'll be 5
[17:57:53] <JT-Shop> cradek: thanks, I thought I saw something about that somewhere
[17:59:21] <JT-Shop> looking in the AXIS section I see the list of what is what for axis to number so 6 sounds correct
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[18:19:28] <JT-Shop> LOL I can get a trigger valve kit for my air nailer from NewEgg
[18:21:27] <Jymmm> That's nothing... I can get a NAS box from Walmart!!!
[18:22:47] <Jymmm> rack mountable NAS
[18:22:57] <JT-Shop> what is a NAS
[18:23:03] <Jymmm> http://www.walmart.com/ip/NETGEAR-ReadyNAS-1500-8TB-Network-Storage/15701657
[18:24:18] <Connor> Yea, those things are getting cheap and very popular. I prefer to build my own from Linux.
[18:28:30] <Jymmm> I want ZFS file system
[18:29:09] <tom3p> wiki up? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl gave me a 502 error 'bad gateway'
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[18:40:49] <Loetmichel> re @ home
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[18:58:55] <sta7ic> anyone here work at EMC?
[19:00:34] <archivist> this chan is about the open source cnc software not the company called EMC
[19:01:19] <Tom_itx> i work at it. i still haven't figured it out
[19:02:20] <cradek> this is the channel for the Enhanced Machine Control software, not related to the company that does storage stuff
[19:02:45] <sta7ic> oh boo
[19:02:48] <sta7ic> hah
[19:02:58] <sta7ic> hey your the one talkin about NAS
[19:03:04] <sta7ic> in a channel called #EMC
[19:03:07] <sta7ic> =]
[19:03:09] <jdhNC> I'd suggest you contact NetApp sales
[19:03:54] <sta7ic> why would i contact netapp sales
[19:04:24] <jdhNC> so you don't have to deal with EMC sales
[19:04:37] <sta7ic> i dont want to buy anything tho
[19:04:45] <sta7ic> i work @ EMC
[19:04:55] <jdhNC> then you understand why I said that :)
[19:05:01] <sta7ic> of course
[19:05:04] <sta7ic> any sales tho
[19:05:07] <sta7ic> emc is not alone
[19:06:30] <sta7ic> Jymmm: nice walmart selling NAS, i thought u were kidding
[19:06:43] <Jymmm> nope =)
[19:07:39] <Tom_itx> but he is a joker
[19:09:39] <sta7ic> and a toker
[19:10:45] <sta7ic> it will be funny in 2 yrs when that walmart nas will have back end data deduplicated storage
[19:11:42] <sta7ic> walmart selling data domain
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[19:12:15] <Jymmm> fsck deduplication, though I know everyone wnts it
[19:12:40] <Jymmm> wait... f*ck deduplication
[19:13:28] <sta7ic> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[19:13:29] <sta7ic> e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)
[19:13:29] <sta7ic> /dev/sda1 is mounted. e2fsck: Cannot continue, aborting.
[19:13:38] <sta7ic> heh
[19:13:43] <sta7ic> i liked the fsck better
[19:14:10] <Jymmm> sta7ic: forget that, I'm going for ZFS
[19:14:45] <jdhNC> or reiserfs if you aren't married
[19:14:49] <jdhNC> or don't want to be
[19:16:15] <sta7ic> yeah, he helped change the reputation of a geek
[19:16:18] <sta7ic> ph34r
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[19:16:50] <sta7ic> i know we were looking at XFS for avamar
[19:17:08] <sta7ic> ive heard lots of good performance things on reiser
[19:17:35] <jdhNC> you probably heard them from him
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[19:36:50] <sta7ic> pretty soon everything will be deduped, at least 90% of the data transfers
[19:37:09] <sta7ic> i pulled both of those facts from my a$$
[19:37:38] <sta7ic> but people have a tendency to cut the fat so its just a matter of time in my opinion
[19:38:04] <sta7ic> also, moving away from distributed systems and back to one large computer room (cloud)
[19:43:58] <MarkusBec> you probably heard them from him
[19:43:58] <MarkusBec> * skunkworks (~chatzilla@str-bb-cable-south2-static-6-78.dsl.airstr
[19:44:01] <MarkusBec> uhrs
[19:44:10] <MarkusBec> http://bambuser.com/channel/MarkusBec/broadcast/1672413
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[19:45:46] <jdhNC> I'd say it was time to go home, but I left a few hours ago
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[19:46:34] <sta7ic> it IS friday
[19:48:52] <elmo40> my weekend began last night ;)
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[20:28:31] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,24/id,9951/lang,english/#9951
[20:29:12] <JT-Shop> wow Fred Proctor just joined the forum
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[20:29:45] <JT-Shop> Involvement: Developer, long, long ago...
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[21:40:50] <bzzzz> omfg wtf, jtag just stopped working
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[22:07:15] <tom3p> wherever FredP is, hello!
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[23:51:44] <tom3p> skunkworks_, i think you're going to work on spool valve control of hydraulics with emc, & this was just funny
[23:51:46] <tom3p> http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_67/7563000/7563085/3/print/Servovalve_Book__091207.pdf
[23:51:57] <tom3p> "the servo valve coloring book"