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[00:09:14] <elmo40> reading up... to get cambam running i need to install windoze in a virtual machine and save the state? meh, not worth the hard drive space (or hassle to install windows with all its rebooting...)
[00:09:55] <DaViruz> chuck key left in chuck!
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[00:14:00] <elmo40> >_<
[00:17:57] <atom1> DaViruz yeah the belt was loose enough for me to hold the chuck from turning at the time
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[00:18:12] <danimal_garage> damn it's friggin hot out. already time to break out the a/c
[00:18:25] <DaViruz> :)
[00:18:38] <danimal_garage> 94f in my shop :(
[00:18:43] <DaViruz> i sent the chuck key flying from a big russian lathe a while back
[00:19:35] <DaViruz> i've always been careful not to leave it in, but i never thought i'd actually have an accident
[00:19:39] <atom1> i've done worse but won't admit it
[00:21:20] <danimal_garage> this old french guy i worked with left the key in a big old lathe. Smacked him straight in the chest and he was out of work for a couple weeks at least
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[00:27:52] <skunkworks> I cut into the center of one of our 4 jaw chucks last weekend.
[00:28:00] <skunkworks> oops
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[00:30:48] <aalpha1> hey guys just a friend of wilber2003 visiting
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[00:46:50] <andypugh> Oh, this looks nice: It's a Harrison M250 (nice lathe) that was originally CNC/manual and has been converted to all-manual. Seems like a great retrofit candidate: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170614468242
[00:47:15] <andypugh> I am guessing, from the bidding, that I am not the only one to think so.
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[04:30:25] <renesis> guys G2/G3 I/J are relative?
[04:30:28] <renesis> noooooooo
[04:33:17] <renesis> is g90.1 real
[04:33:28] <ds3> yes, I/J relative in arcs
[04:34:19] <renesis> G90.1 Arc centers I,J,K are absolute
[04:34:31] <ds3> i mean for G02/G03
[04:34:44] <ds3> worse case is simulate it
[04:35:04] <ds3> but unless it has changed, I been writing manual code with it being relative and it works
[04:35:17] <renesis> well yeah that switches it to absolute
[04:35:52] <renesis> i always do radius but i want to do circles
[04:35:57] <renesis> and stop using radius so much
[04:36:55] <ds3> Radius doesn't seem too portable
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[05:02:43] <renesis> radius has worked on every machine ive used
[05:04:31] <ds3> I guess i was less lucky on that
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[09:53:36] <Guest905> one experimented with using hydraulics + linear slide encoder for machining? Instead of conventional servo/ lead screw
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[09:58:19] <Guest905> The engineering question I have is, would I be able to even use a hydraulic slide to machine or, a hydraulic tailstock to drill. Accurately.
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[10:18:48] <elmo40> i think hydraulics would require both push&pull at the same time. the problem is the pump would send vibration through the fluid. no +-0.001" accuracy.
[10:20:28] <elmo40> i bet if you put a dial indicator on the end of the piston and moved it an inch then stop, it would 'flutter' a few thou.
[10:20:44] <archivist> there are hydraulic servos
[10:21:42] <archivist> and there are/were machine tools using hydraulics
[10:21:59] <jthornton> skunkworks K and T was all hydraulic before he converted it
[10:24:34] <archivist> and it was cnc even then
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[11:28:53] <skunkworks> worked quite well;\
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[12:30:46] <alex_joni> Guest66940: it's doable, but doing it ok requires more money than a convetional servo machine
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[15:54:55] <skunkworks> wow - ipmi is cool
[15:56:18] <skunkworks> I am installing ubuntu on a networked machine from my windows through a java window. ;) (that probably sounds evil) ;)
[15:57:19] <skunkworks> or not coherent,
[15:59:15] <danimal_garage> whats the difference between a resolver and a high resolution sin/cos encoder?
[16:00:01] <Jymmmm> skunkworks: you got this from where?
[16:00:32] <skunkworks> Jymmmm: it is part of the bios in some supermicro motherboards I got
[16:01:01] <Jymmmm> skunkworks: ah, and they include a java based windows utility
[16:01:22] <skunkworks> yes
[16:03:37] <skunkworks> danimal_garage: I have heard of encoders that output instead of quadature square waves they output a sin/cos signal.
[16:04:15] <danimal_garage> isnt that basically a resolver?
[16:04:38] <Jymmmm> http://www.optoresolver.com/help/tutorials/resolver_v_encoder.htm
[16:05:07] <Jymmmm> http://www.avtronencoders.com/encoder_vs_resolvers.htm
[16:05:51] <skunkworks> danimal_garage: no - what I am talking about has lets say 1000sin/cos cycles per rotation. a normal resolver has only 1 cycle.
[16:06:11] <Jymmmm> square vs sine wave
[16:06:17] <Jymmmm> see 2nd pic
[16:06:25] <Jymmmm> see 2nd link
[16:07:19] <danimal_garage> gotcha
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[16:21:11] <Jymmmm> BTW... Saw 7 was pretty bad
[16:22:27] <cradek> whoah, that's surprising
[16:23:32] <Jymmmm> Yeah, it was almost sacrilege to the story line. And I've enjoyed all the rest of them too
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[16:26:19] <Jymmmm> It was like some college video student tried to make a Saw trilogy clone
[16:26:55] <cradek> (obligatory disclosure: I haven't seen any of them)
[16:27:37] <Jymmmm> I'd highly recommend SAW 1-6 if you enjoy mind-thrillers
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[16:28:06] <cradek> I thought they were torture-porn
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[16:28:43] <cradek> either way, I don't usually have the patience to sit through movies - I avoid them
[16:28:51] <Jymmmm> It's along the lines of "Silence of the Lambs" with more gore.
[16:29:00] <cradek> haven't seen that either :-)
[16:29:29] <Jymmmm> I think they call them psychological thrillers
[16:29:46] <cradek> I remember seeing ET
[16:29:46] <cradek> haha
[16:31:15] <Jymmmm> LOL, that's a whole generation of Hollywood rebel to adulthood of Drew Barrymore
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[16:44:26] <Jymmmm> Has anyone done any Marquetry by chance?
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[17:02:17] <atom1> that may be a 'lost art'
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[17:18:48] <Jymmmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE-4fubahUU&NR=1
[17:18:59] <Jymmmm> 1 of 3 parts
[17:24:03] <danimal_garage> http://cgi.ebay.com/Allen-Bradley-Ultra-3000-Servo-Drive-2098-DSD-020-SE-/360351122507?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e699c44b
[17:24:19] <danimal_garage> there's a couple of these on ebay, i may bid on them
[17:24:37] <danimal_garage> perhaps i wont have the issues i'm having with them'
[17:24:51] <danimal_garage> they're 30a instead of 12a
[17:25:29] <danimal_garage> who found those encoders with the commutation tracks for cheap on here?
[17:25:34] <danimal_garage> i forgot who it was
[17:26:38] <Jymmmm> Um, this video is about as useless as the sponsor's tools http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hlYsK_frl0&feature=related
[17:26:56] <atom1> danimal_garage, they only have one?
[17:27:06] <atom1> wouldn't you need at least 2 or 3?
[17:27:22] <danimal_garage> there's a couple of them on there
[17:40:24] <Jymmmm> Talk about tedious... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_OXaH4mFTU
[17:46:54] <danimal_garage> don't you have anything to do?
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[18:08:48] <IchGuckLive> Hi all in the USA B9
[18:08:53] <IchGuckLive> B)
[18:09:31] <mhaberler> anybody knows the email address for tom3p ?
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[18:59:38] <andypugh> Ever find yourself talking someone through a conversion you are not sure they are competent to finish?
[19:00:26] <archivist> I think we see a few in here :)
[19:02:46] <andypugh> Yeah, this one is via the forum.
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[19:06:23] <danimal_garage> hey i can hear you
[19:06:33] <danimal_garage> :)
[19:06:58] <cradek> ha
[19:07:33] <danimal_garage> hey both my machines "run"
[19:07:45] <atom1> for their lives
[19:07:48] <danimal_garage> haha
[19:07:55] <danimal_garage> the lathe works good
[19:08:48] <danimal_garage> mill needs help :(
[19:09:04] <danimal_garage> at least i know the problem now
[19:09:04] <archivist> cuddle it some more
[19:09:11] <atom1> you seem to be having your share of trouble with it
[19:09:38] <danimal_garage> archivist, what is it, a woman?
[19:09:41] <atom1> is it one of the amps overheating?
[19:09:52] <atom1> having hot flashes?
[19:10:09] <danimal_garage> atom1, yea, they're too small so they're overheating
[19:10:25] <danimal_garage> although overheating to them is 104f
[19:10:32] <danimal_garage> :/
[19:10:41] <atom1> my concern is my 50v supply being too much for the steppers
[19:10:49] <atom1> i haven't hooked that one up yet
[19:10:57] <danimal_garage> why?
[19:11:06] <danimal_garage> they not rated for that?
[19:11:16] <archivist> motors dont mind the voltage, its the drives that matter
[19:11:35] <danimal_garage> i had 50v going through my steppers
[19:11:41] <danimal_garage> but they were huge
[19:11:50] <atom1> archivist yeah i know. i've been looking for some that will take at least that and hopefully a bit more
[19:12:17] <atom1> i guess you set the current limit on the amp and not worry with it
[19:12:20] <danimal_garage> i used the leadshine ones, they worked decent
[19:12:27] <danimal_garage> exactly
[19:12:46] <danimal_garage> the leadshine drives worked better than the gecko drives, imo
[19:12:48] <atom1> the higher voltage should let them run a little quicker
[19:12:56] <atom1> link?
[19:13:07] <atom1> these are small steppers
[19:13:11] <danimal_garage> just google leadshine stepper drives
[19:13:25] <danimal_garage> i dont have a link
[19:13:34] <atom1> that's fine
[19:13:45] <danimal_garage> they're cheap... 89 a piece
[19:14:25] <danimal_garage> i had issues with one, but it turned out to be the heatsink grease
[19:14:34] <danimal_garage> worked fine after that was fixed
[19:15:01] <danimal_garage> i tried replacing it with a gecko 203x and that wasnt working well
[19:17:51] <danimal_garage> my steppers didnt like that much microstepping
[19:17:56] <danimal_garage> they missed steps
[19:18:28] <atom1> with the mesa board i wouldn't need fancy drivers would i?
[19:19:01] <danimal_garage> no, but i at lest liked the option of being able to select my microstepping
[19:19:06] <danimal_garage> least*
[19:19:14] <danimal_garage> the gecko wouldnt let me do that
[19:20:40] <atom1> http://www.kelinginc.net/KLDriver.html
[19:20:48] <atom1> those look the same or similar to these
[19:21:53] <danimal_garage> yea
[19:21:58] <danimal_garage> probably are
[19:24:20] <danimal_garage> i think i'm gunna get one of those router speed controls for my drill press
[19:42:11] <fragalot> Jymmmm: http://nilno.com/images/part1.jpg <= now THAT is something impressive ^_^
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[20:07:30] <Jymmmm> fragalot: what is it, a fish?
[20:09:45] <Jymmmm> fragalot: And for some odd reason I'm really not that impressed with it. Maybe if it had some contrast (anodized?) so any details show up or some such thing
[20:10:20] <fragalot> Jymmmm: I just meant the mechanical aspect from it (laser cut)
[20:11:10] <Jymmmm> I suppose I can see your point.
[20:11:55] <Jymmmm> Actually, I'm more impressed with the riveting work than the cutouts.
[20:12:36] <Jymmmm> or press work or whatever that is.
[20:13:19] <fragalot> as a whole it's pretty neat :)
[20:14:05] <Jymmmm> If it was a larger image and photographed properly (lighting, backdrop, etc) it could be.
[20:14:29] <Jymmmm> I still think anodized would help some
[20:14:37] <fragalot> perhaps when I ordered my lil' laser I should have ordered something that didn't have a 7 day shipping time along with it >.<
[20:14:41] <Jymmmm> but that could just be the photo
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[20:24:40] <danimal_garage> has anyone made a c frame mill using linear rails and bearings tht was rigid enough for decent metalwork?
[20:25:35] <danimal_garage> i need to make a custom built cnc mill with an automatic material feed
[20:26:19] <danimal_garage> i know the bearings typically have a thou or two of slop, but i wonder if there was some weight/drag on it if it would be rigid enough to not have chatter
[20:26:45] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, this question might be up your alley
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[20:30:18] <cpresser> danimal_garage: what is 'decent'? Steel?
[20:31:07] <danimal_garage> mostly aluminum, but i'd like to be able to cut ti
[20:31:17] <danimal_garage> it'd have about a 2hp spindle
[20:31:32] <danimal_garage> probably 1.5" diameter linear rails and bearings
[20:32:08] <danimal_garage> ball screws
[20:32:15] <gene> Hello everybody!
[20:32:36] <cpresser> perhaps use two rails on the first axis to make it mor rigid
[20:32:51] <cpresser> my mill is build using "ITEM"
[20:32:59] <gene> I have a line in my .ini file:POSITION_FILE = position.txt
[20:33:05] <gene> and its not working
[20:33:07] <cpresser> its good enough for aluminium. but not for any more
[20:33:14] <danimal_garage> well thay'd all have 2 linear rails
[20:33:24] <danimal_garage> what's ITEM?
[20:33:44] <cpresser> a european comany popular for its easy-to-use profiles
[20:33:58] <danimal_garage> ah
[20:34:04] <cpresser> http://www.cadclick.com/_cont/cms/upload/bilder/item.jpg
[20:34:07] <cpresser> this stuff
[20:34:14] <cradek> gene: what do you mean by not working?
[20:34:44] <danimal_garage> ah. i'll be using steel plate, probably 1.5" thick or so
[20:34:44] <gene> when I have to quit emc, and restart, its all back to 0,0,0
[20:34:59] <cradek> gene: what emc version?
[20:35:13] <gene> 2.4.5 I think
[20:35:17] <cpresser> its quite expensive, but they offer eveything needed to build a cnc-machine. Rails, bearings, ballscrews; and everything fits togehetr nicely :)
[20:35:28] <danimal_garage> nice
[20:35:43] <cradek> gene: does the position.txt file exist, and what is in it?
[20:35:50] <cpresser> are you going to weld the steel-pieces together?
[20:35:55] <gene> where do I look?
[20:35:57] <danimal_garage> bolt and dowel
[20:36:09] <cradek> the config directory you are using
[20:36:19] <gene> brb
[20:36:22] <danimal_garage> i'm looking for about 10"x10" travel
[20:36:22] <cpresser> gene: also check the permission of the file. is it read/writable by emc?
[20:36:30] <danimal_garage> but very burly
[20:36:35] <danimal_garage> and fast
[20:36:49] <gene> Chris, no
[20:36:58] <cpresser> with servos i guess?
[20:37:32] <gene> Chris, do I have to touch it?
[20:37:44] <cradek> no
[20:37:46] <danimal_garage> yes
[20:37:48] <cradek> how are you starting emc?
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[20:38:31] <gene> from cli, with 'emc -l' usually, the install didn't make any icons
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[20:38:40] <Jymmmm> fragalot: Ok, the gf thinks it's pretty cool.
[20:40:18] <cpresser> danimal_garage: i dont have any specific advice; but I would suggest two linear rails per side for the first axis; the ballscrew inbetween; and this for both sides of the frame.
[20:40:27] <cradek> hm, works for me in master
[20:40:31] <atom1> danimal_garage, get some linear slides
[20:40:34] <cradek> is your configuration *directory* writable?
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[20:41:10] <cradek> and which ini section has that line?
[20:41:25] <fragalot> Jymmmm: haha
[20:42:08] <fragalot> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/professional-anti-static-rubber-finger-stalls-for-electronic-diy-pink-50-pack-21411
[20:42:11] <fragalot> lawl
[20:42:13] <gene> Chris, the [EMC] section at the top of the file
[20:43:37] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/config_ini_config.html
[20:43:43] <cradek> heh, talk about a lucky guess
[20:44:17] <cradek> the section is as important as the name, you must have both right
[20:44:51] <danimal_garage> atom1, liear slides are $$ and not very stiff
[20:44:59] <atom1> i wondered
[20:45:15] <atom1> i picked up a catalog on those a couple weeks ago locally
[20:45:30] <danimal_garage> never had good luck with them
[20:45:49] <atom1> what about linear bearings?
[20:47:34] <Jymmmm> fragalot: Those are also called finger cots. They are used primarily around microelectronics, or at least that's when I've used them.
[20:48:19] <Jymmmm> fragalot: your hands dont sweat like when wearing full gloves
[20:48:28] <danimal_garage> linear bearings have their flaws too
[20:49:01] <gene> Ahh, so, [TRAJECTORY] section, I'll move it, thanks Chris. Comment, it is NOT mentioned in my 6 week old printout. :(
[20:49:03] <Jymmmm> yeah, they wont go in circles
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[20:49:34] <cradek> gene: no, it's spelled [TRAJ]
[20:50:01] <cradek> gene: maybe you printed the wrong docs? this has been there for years.
[20:50:17] <atom1> danimal_garage, figure it all out so i can make one
[20:50:36] <danimal_garage> ha
[20:50:43] <atom1> :)
[20:51:03] <gene> dated aug 29, 2010
[20:52:07] <gene> Now, I am having another problem in that a poorly composed conditional is looping forever when I try to load the file.
[20:52:43] <gene> It sure would be nice if we had a max loop limit that would rescue us, set at the top of the .ngc file
[20:53:15] <gene> any chance of such a feature in a future version?
[20:54:09] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: hi
[20:54:31] <cradek> gene: hitting escape will stop a program load
[20:54:32] <gene> Better yet, set it as the first line of an 0100 while routine! etc etcf
[20:55:13] <danimal_garage> hi John
[20:55:54] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, i'm looking to build a small travel but rigid mill
[20:56:17] <gene> Or is that a programming trick I need to learn, equ to an "exitif"?
[20:56:40] <JT-Shop> using linear bearings?
[20:56:47] <danimal_garage> yea
[20:56:57] <danimal_garage> dont really want to have to machine ways
[20:57:44] <danimal_garage> what do you think? too loose?
[20:58:00] <danimal_garage> i dont want any chatter
[20:58:09] <JT-Shop> not if you use the right ones, my BP VMC uses them
[20:58:28] <JT-Shop> they are double row bearings
[20:59:06] <danimal_garage> hmm
[20:59:12] <danimal_garage> what diameter shafts?
[20:59:23] <danimal_garage> or are they rails?
[20:59:25] <JT-Shop> rails not shafts
[21:00:01] <gene> ahh, I see, going blind, do a return in a subloop. But that page shows no examples, page 2 chapter 17
[21:00:17] <danimal_garage> do you know how big the rails are?
[21:00:18] <JT-Shop> just looking in mcmaster carr they show 20,000 lbs dynamic load on the biggest on per guide block
[21:00:34] <JT-Shop> let me see if I can see one
[21:02:22] <JT-Shop> the Z is about 1.375 wide so would be in the 8,000 lb range
[21:03:31] <JT-Shop> be back in a bit
[21:03:37] <danimal_garage> thanks JT-Shop
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[21:12:02] <JT-Shop> what kind of mill are you looking for? drilling milling?
[21:12:14] <danimal_garage> milling
[21:12:37] <danimal_garage> i'm going to build an automated machine to make my chainrings
[21:13:07] <danimal_garage> so it would be approximately 3/8" endmills cutting aluminum
[21:13:26] <danimal_garage> 1/8" DOC
[21:13:44] <JT-Shop> ok, that is a pretty light load then
[21:13:49] <cradek> bp series 1 cnc is perfect for that :-)
[21:13:51] <danimal_garage> i run about 17-20ipm at 4krpm now, i'd like to match that at least
[21:14:10] <danimal_garage> cradek, i dont have room
[21:14:22] <danimal_garage> it only needs to be about 10x10 travel
[21:14:25] <cradek> yeah, approx 6' square footprint
[21:14:27] <JT-Shop> usually a series 1 the X ways are worn out and won't hold depth
[21:14:35] <cradek> a series 1 has 12x18 travel
[21:14:43] <danimal_garage> and i need either multiple spindles or a toolchanger
[21:15:01] <danimal_garage> leaning towards multiple spindles
[21:15:05] <cradek> wow, sounds like a lot of difficult requirements
[21:15:29] <cradek> the mill equivalent of gang tooling? seems like you'd need a LOT more than 10" travel then
[21:16:07] <JT-Shop> you could have a rack tool changer pretty easy
[21:16:20] <danimal_garage> yea true
[21:16:28] <danimal_garage> not sure what i'm using for spindles yet
[21:16:59] <JT-Shop> I think some are using the Chinese spindles from flea bay
[21:17:02] <cradek> for 1/8" depth, shouldn't you be using 1/4 tools - less expensive, higher feeds, much smaller spindle possible
[21:17:16] <danimal_garage> it'll have a cutoff saw on it too, with a material feeder so it can feed in the 6x48" strips of material and cut it off to 6" squares
[21:17:21] <cradek> you sure want more than 4k though
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[21:17:37] <cradek> even 1/4 solid carbide is cheap cheap
[21:17:45] <danimal_garage> cradek, i dont have the rpm to get the feedrates out of them
[21:17:48] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: don't you use a ball mill for part of the machining?
[21:17:55] <danimal_garage> Jymmmm, yes
[21:18:00] <cradek> what? you haven't picked your spindle yet!
[21:18:02] <danimal_garage> opps JT-Shop, yes
[21:18:16] <cradek> I must be misunderstanding something
[21:18:37] <danimal_garage> still in planning stages crazy_imp
[21:18:40] <danimal_garage> cradek*
[21:18:58] <JT-Shop> don't you love tab completion
[21:19:02] <cradek> that's what I'm saying - sounds like you should plan for 1/4 tools
[21:19:06] <danimal_garage> not today lol
[21:19:17] <JT-Shop> well back to damage control for me
[21:19:26] <danimal_garage> cradek, yea, if i can afford that kind of spindle speed
[21:19:38] <danimal_garage> bye JT-Shop, thanks for the info
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[21:24:50] <danimal_garage> cradek, here's an automatic saw i built for a company i worked at. I did everything but the programing of the plc: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSC00064.jpg
[21:25:00] <danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSC00063-1.jpg
[21:25:09] <danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSC00065-1.jpg
[21:26:03] <danimal_garage> i built another one that drilled, slotted, and cut a part off
[21:26:04] <Jymmmm> LOOK! It makes french fries too!
[21:26:26] <danimal_garage> Jymmmm, yea, look out, it may replace your job!
[21:26:45] <Jymmmm> Never!
[21:27:12] <danimal_garage> oh yea, forgot... afirmative action
[21:27:40] <Jymmmm> Nope, nobody there to say "You want fries with that?"
[21:28:25] <danimal_garage> time for lunch
[21:28:27] <danimal_garage> adios
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[21:48:18] <isssy> hi all , is there pid tuning programs for mesa 7I43?
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[22:03:40] <andypugh> Not specifically for that card, as PID tuning is rather more generic than that
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[22:45:32] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: back from lunch?
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[22:50:20] <JT-Shop> I wish I would stop bleeding so I can get back to work :/
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[22:50:38] <ds3> are you playing with slitting saws again? :D
[22:50:59] <JT-Shop> no, I poked my finger with a drywall screw'
[22:52:29] <andypugh> The solution is simpe. Don't do that.
[22:52:31] <JT-Shop> I had a heart attack at 39 and have been on blood thinners and baby aspirin since so I bleed easy and long
[22:52:53] <JT-Shop> happened too fast to stop
[22:53:26] <JT-Shop> andypugh: have you looked at gcodetools?
[22:53:44] <andypugh> No, never. What is they?
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[22:53:57] <JT-Shop> new post on the forum
[22:54:03] <JT-Shop> http://www.cnc-club.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=35
[22:54:25] <JT-Shop> Gcodetools is a plug-in for Inkscape. It prepares and converts paths from Inkscape to Gcode, using biarc interpolation.
[22:54:54] <JT-Shop> I don't use Inkscape...
[22:55:23] <andypugh> It looks marvellous
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[22:56:01] <andypugh> ANd I was using Inkscape just moments ago to sketch out a notional Anilam conversion for a chap I suspect hasn't half the required skillz
[22:56:31] <JT-Shop> a schematic?
[22:56:35] <andypugh> Aye
[22:56:49] <JT-Shop> I'll have to check it out
[22:57:18] * JT-Shop is done bleeding so back to work
[22:57:37] <andypugh> No, don't bother. It was a private email and just showed PC-5i23-7i33-Drive-Motor....
[22:58:52] <andypugh> Maybe he will figure it out, I have a horrible tendency to assume that everyone else is dumber than me.
[23:00:07] <JT-Shop> I mean Inkscape
[23:01:48] <andypugh> Inkscape is pretty capable. If you want to draw vector-art it is a good choice.
[23:05:35] <atom1> danimal_garage, http://www.pbclinear.com/
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[23:17:06] <elmo40> i still cant get a 'good' output from the gcode plugin for inkscape
[23:19:38] <elmo40> a budy at work wanted to engrave the harley davidson logo. i found an .svg of it here http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/logo/harley-davidson-18
[23:20:40] <elmo40> i tried it just the way it was. removed the white background. pulled the lettering out to do them seperately... i keep getting bad or no results (it hangs, at times)
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[23:21:22] <elmo40> and the gcode tool i download says it is the latest but when i click 'help' it is only 1.6.01
[23:21:26] <elmo40> i dont understand
[23:21:28] <elmo40> :P
[23:21:41] <andypugh> Try posting the artwork to the Forum, the gcodetools author should be able to use it to debug with.
[23:21:59] <elmo40> now i need to join the forum, lol.
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[23:37:20] <Jymmmm> Been there, done that... http://i52.tinypic.com/r1lwra.jpg
[23:38:32] <Jymmmm> elmo40: You need gcode or something?
[23:43:51] <Jymmmm> elmo40: Offer expires in 3...
[23:43:54] <Jymmmm> 2...
[23:43:59] <Jymmmm> 1...
[23:50:46] <JT-Shop> too bad you don't have something unique like Honda :P
[23:51:07] <Jymmmm> I do. I have Suzuki and Superman as well =)
[23:51:22] <JT-Shop> cool!
[23:51:57] <JT-Shop> I had an X6 a xillion years ago and a 380 triple
[23:52:27] <Jymmmm> Iy's such a shame to have a shiny Honda that just sits there.
[23:52:48] <Jymmmm> Especially one with a reverse gear
[23:52:57] <JT-Shop> it don't sit there LOL and electric reverse
[23:53:32] <Jymmmm> Yeah? When was the last time yu had bugs in your teeth?
[23:53:42] <JT-Shop> Saturday :)
[23:54:01] <Jymmmm> weekend warrior??! Eeeeesh
[23:54:15] <JT-Shop> oh well you don't get bugs in your teeth on the Bluewing
[23:54:40] <JT-Shop> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/uploadedImages/Articles/Issues/2007-03-01/SuzukiGT380.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/motorcycle-reviews/2007-03-01/1973-77-suzuki-gt380.aspx&usg=__k8C3SCHaiJpjcpqnxwOcb0OBb_c=&h=407&w=300&sz=27&hl=en&start=9&zoom=1&tbnid=AF4XP3nq4MePTM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=92&ei=X02BTdvmEsP0gAe4lIH-Bw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsuzuki%2B380%2
[23:54:42] <JT-Shop> Btriple%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1124%26bih%3D857%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1
[23:54:43] <Jymmmm> wheres the fun in that?
[23:54:48] <JT-Shop> wow what a link
[23:55:05] <JT-Shop> http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/motorcycle-reviews/2007-03-01/1973-77-suzuki-gt380.aspx
[23:56:08] <JT-Shop> http://www.motorcycleclassics.com/motorcycle-reviews/1967-suzuki-hustler-x6.aspx
[23:56:22] <Jymmmm> I used to have a Suzuki GS450, loved that thing
[23:56:45] <JT-Shop> was that a two stroke?
[23:57:04] <Jymmmm> No, iirc 84 or 85
[23:58:37] <Jymmmm> Let a friend borrow it and he forgot which was which brake/clutch and ran into a concrete wall. Never rode the same again.
[23:58:52] <JT-Shop> I can see why
[23:59:47] <JT-Shop> my first bike was like the black one http://www.vf750fd.com/blurbs/brochures/50/50-55-90-2.jpg