#emc | Logs for 2011-03-15

[00:01:12] <jthornton> crumb, my cs is soldered to the wrong spot :/
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[00:04:40] <andypugh> PCW: I am not sure how to fit TRAM and BSPI together. I am thinking perhaps I won't try. It seems logical to only write frames into the FIFO if they have changed, not every thread, blindly?
[00:07:12] <PCW> You need to write frames to acquire data as well. I'd probably just always do everything
[00:08:09] <PCW> On the 7I65 in particular you need to always write to keep the 7I65s watchdog happy
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[00:09:16] <andypugh> OK. There is no problem with the tram writing repeatedly to the same address?
[00:09:48] <andypugh> Not that that is actually likely in this case, but I assume that multiple pins can share a config address?
[00:16:54] * jthornton just realized he doesn't know how to wire up the ADG609 :/
[00:17:57] <PCW> When there real hardware TRAM gets here its just a matter of repeating addresses in the TRAM memory
[00:18:53] <andypugh> OK, and the FIFO is fast enough to cope?
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[00:19:31] <andypugh> (Yes, I think I have noticed that we don't actually use TRAM, we just pretend to)
[00:20:16] <PCW> For DMA its pretty much required
[00:20:51] <PCW> Yes you can write as fast as you like into the FIFO
[00:24:09] <PCW> Only the 7I43 currently has the hardware TRAM, for PCI cards I still need to add it (and the pipelining gives me headaches)
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[00:26:59] <PCW> s/for PCI cards/for PCI cards the support DMA/
[00:27:12] <PCW> that support
[00:29:57] <PCW> jthornton: its only 16 pins. If these pins have 16 destinations there are only 2e13 possibilites
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[00:41:41] <andypugh> PCW: I don't think TRAM is an option unless I do something very strange.
[00:43:02] <andypugh> Basically at setup time the driver has no idea which address each bspi frame will need to be written to. That data only becomes available once the comp module has loaded, all the pins have ben netted and the comp module has run the first time.
[00:44:26] <andypugh> I am not sure I fancy the idea of registering TRAM regions after the realtime threads have started, though that might be possible.
[00:47:26] <PCW> Yes its "interesting" ideally the comp would send the TRAM setup just after the CD setup (but before asserting any transfer commands)
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[00:49:52] <andypugh> Unfortunately the comp can't send anything until the pins have been created in both modules, and have been netted together.
[00:50:46] <andypugh> Although it _might_ be possible to do it in the force_write function, that happens pretty late in the sequence.
[00:54:28] <PCW> A sort of hideous idea is for the TRAM sequence to be a driver command line thing (write=0,0,2,2,1,5,6,7, readq=5)
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[00:55:17] <andypugh> That involves the user knowing what the 7i65 wants...
[00:56:17] <andypugh> I am wondering about requiring a config file, bspi_config=/home/7i65.bspi
[00:57:29] <PCW> I like it being out in the open, not buried in a driver constant
[00:58:27] <andypugh> For extra fun, you can't have commas in Hm2 modparam strings..
[00:58:53] <PCW> only uglyness is now the 7I65 specific stuff is in 2 places (.bspi file and comp)
[00:59:28] <andypugh> The comp could create the bspi file, in the fly..
[01:00:15] <PCW> that would be nice if the syntax was not too grody
[01:00:19] <andypugh> It would have to be loaded first, but that isn't the most horrible idea.
[01:01:35] <andypugh> I think I will throw the idea at the dev list tomorrow, after a bit more thought.
[01:02:31] <PCW> OK thanks for poking at this!
[01:02:36] <PCW> bye
[01:02:36] <andypugh> The file could even define the pin names.
[01:02:50] <andypugh> But now, to log.
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[01:03:00] <PCW> nite
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[04:49:49] <anonimasu> pcw_home: are you still up?
[04:57:27] <anonimasu> nvm I found what I were looking for :)
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[10:31:59] <alex_joni> any uk'ers around?
[10:34:12] <TekniQue> I'm often in the uk
[10:34:13] <TekniQue> if that counts
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[10:51:02] <alex_joni> TekniQue: nah, but thanks ;)
[10:51:43] <archivist> Im here :)
[10:52:28] <archivist> I rarely manage to get out of the UK
[11:19:05] <anonimasu> pcw_home: I ordered the 7i43 but I got the 7i43h since you were out of stock, will that work with emc?
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[11:44:13] <jthornton> might be a bit early for pcw it is 4:45am out there
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[13:43:35] <pcw_home> Unfortunately no the 7I43H will not work with EMC its USB only
[13:49:07] <anonimasu> rwwö:@
[13:49:38] <anonimasu> then what am I supposed to do with the board that mesa sent me
[13:49:39] <anonimasu> :(
[14:01:59] <mk0> aren't there usb-lpt that would approximately suitable?
[14:02:10] <alex_joni> mk0: no
[14:02:17] <mk0> Pity
[14:02:50] <anonimasu> problem is that my board -p was out of stock and was replaced with the h version
[14:03:44] <anonimasu> shitty luck :S
[14:03:48] <cradek> someone probably mistakenly thought that since it's a more expensive board, it's a suitable substitute
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[14:04:55] <mk0> :D
[14:06:15] <anonimasu> and the next problem is that im in sweden...
[14:08:08] <cradek> arg
[14:08:21] <cradek> did you get it from that european distributor?
[14:08:56] <anonimasu> no directly from mesa
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[14:11:27] * JT-Shop has yet to figure out if A0, A1, and EN get 5v for on if I use 5v to Vdd and 0v to Vss and Gnd from the data sheet http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADG608_609.pdf
[14:12:09] <JT-Shop> I'm sure it is there but it is not excruciatingly clear for this redneck
[14:23:51] <atmega> > 2.4v for high
[14:24:10] <JT-Shop> thanks
[14:30:50] <JT-Shop> AFAIK, that is the last piece of the physical wiring puzzle on this little project :)
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[14:51:37] <mrsunshine_> anonimasu, sell it, make money, buy new cheaper board, order new one .. profit
[14:51:38] <mrsunshine_> :P
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[15:08:03] <cv> http://www.youtube.com/user/AmericanReject2012
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[15:25:26] <anonimasu> pcw_home: your connection died before I could say thanks alot for looking into my stuff! :)
[15:26:41] <pcw_home> OK one question ar eyou sure you have a 7I43H? Everyone here says we sent a 7I43-U
[15:27:12] <cradek> photo! photo!
[15:27:15] <anonimasu> I dont have one arrived yet
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[15:27:46] <anonimasu> I got a mail saying this: Your order shipped on 3/11/11 on FedEx Intl. Priority Tracking # 7945 2514 6119. The 7I43P-ROHS was out of stock, so the 7I43-U-ROHS was shipped instead at the
[15:27:57] <anonimasu> pff, being stupid of me
[15:28:27] <cradek> dude!
[15:28:36] <pcw_home> OK thats better
[15:28:51] <anonimasu> I better learn how to read before I start complaining
[15:28:57] <anonimasu> actually checking too much
[15:29:06] <skunkworks> heh
[15:30:09] * fragalot poets anonimasu
[15:30:17] <cradek> now we can all track your package
[15:30:31] <cradek> it'll be there the 18th!
[15:30:32] <fragalot> big deal, cradek
[15:30:44] <fragalot> go intercept
[15:30:46] <fragalot> go go go
[15:30:47] <anonimasu> damn, alot quicker then expected
[15:30:51] <cradek> you'll have it for the weekend, yay
[15:31:06] <anonimasu> but I still have no encoders so nothing will move yet
[15:31:11] <anonimasu> they are ordered too
[15:31:50] <fragalot> you can make it move without encoders just fine if you don't care about precision too much
[15:31:53] <fragalot> :P
[15:32:07] <anonimasu> come on, you dont want to steal my package, it's rohs compilant so it'll die on you i a few years
[15:32:22] <fragalot> haha
[15:32:25] <anonimasu> or the tin wiskers will stab you in the eye...
[15:32:28] <anonimasu> err whiskers
[15:32:40] <fragalot> who was it here again that had a controller that only worked from -25 to 40°C ?
[15:33:03] <anonimasu> I had a plc like that it had like 10c temp span...
[15:33:09] <cradek> john t
[15:33:39] <anonimasu> it should have had -20 to +120 or something
[15:33:44] <fragalot> or the Z-axis w/ a failing brake so it fell down if the power dropped out
[15:34:11] <anonimasu> I remember seeing that a long time ago
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[15:35:26] <JT-Shop> I think that was Dan
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[15:40:38] <skunkworks> I just got a traking notifaction email. says my package will be at my home in 7 days. has a fed_ex_notice.zip. ;)
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[15:42:40] <onesodyssey> does anyone know how to remove everything that powerpath installs? I've removed the rpm using the -e option but this doesn't clean up all the files installed by powerpath
[15:43:08] <onesodyssey> for instance under /etc/ i still have a powermt.custom file?
[15:43:43] <cradek> onesodyssey: you've got the wrong EMC channel. This is EMC, the Enhanced Machine Controller
[15:43:50] <onesodyssey> ahh oops
[15:43:57] <cradek> (see channel title)
[15:44:12] <onesodyssey> cradek: thanks sorry :)
[15:44:16] <cradek> no problem
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[15:47:28] <atom1> anonimasu hello
[15:52:11] <VisualEcho> Good morning, EMC channel. Has anyone used Z-axis height to switch on/off a laser for a laser cutter?
[16:02:02] <cradek> I think so
[16:02:54] <VisualEcho> I think I can switch it with the Z-direction, but this doesn't seem very robust
[16:03:35] <VisualEcho> I've glanced at the Hacklab engraver docs, which seem overkill
[16:03:43] <cradek> I am pretty sure that not all step generators will leave the direction signal set in the last-moved direction
[16:03:52] <VisualEcho> Yeah
[16:03:59] <cradek> if you want to count on that behavior, be sure to test it
[16:04:27] <cradek> a Z position threshold might be more robust
[16:04:43] <VisualEcho> I basically want a port pin on/off when Z goes below zero
[16:04:52] <VisualEcho> Yes, that helps
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[16:06:24] <VisualEcho> Is there an easy way to do that?
[16:07:00] <psha> depends on desired latency
[16:07:04] <cradek> there's a comp (comparator) hal component
[16:07:32] <skunkworks> isn't motion synced i/o an option now?
[16:07:35] <cradek> psha: it would be realtime
[16:07:37] <psha> ah, even more simple
[16:07:55] <cradek> skunkworks: yes maybe that's another thing to try
[16:09:00] <psha> cradek: as usual I first think about longer paths :)
[16:09:57] <psha> with comp comp its just a matter of Hal config
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[16:13:07] <VisualEcho> I'm having trouble finding keywords that tell me more on this, my Google-Fu is only 2 Dan today
[16:15:24] <cradek> you won't find it spelled out
[16:15:34] <cradek> perhaps start with the HAL tutorial
[16:17:00] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/hal/basic_hal.html
[16:17:40] <VisualEcho> yep, that seems prudent. Taking off my mortarboard and putting back on the dunce nonce. Thanks for the clues, gentlemen
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[16:17:59] <VisualEcho> http://pyroflatulence.tv/?p=902
[16:20:36] <cradek> slick
[16:21:00] <skunkworks> awallin: have you worked on your reprap?
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[16:22:41] <skunkworks> VisualEcho: when you get more comfortable with emc - take a look at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Rastering_With_A_Laser
[16:23:08] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: Is that your lasr?
[16:23:11] <Jymmm> laser
[16:23:24] <VisualEcho> I saw that article on the Hackworks engraver
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[16:23:53] <Jymmm> oh, I was going to help one issue on it
[16:23:59] <VisualEcho> I didn't understand some of it, but I just have more reading to do. Yes, that's the one I'm working with
[16:24:33] <Jymmm> Wait, huh/ Is that your website, or the one your copying?
[16:24:41] <VisualEcho> That's my site :-)
[16:24:59] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: Ok, get rid of the vortex fan.
[16:25:16] <awallin> I think there's still an issue with lost steps (I hate steppers)
[16:25:49] <VisualEcho> That fan is brand new and has a 10 year warranty
[16:26:31] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: Get yourself one of these instead: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-hp-mini-dust-collector-94029.html and http://www.harborfreight.com/router-speed-control-43060.html
[16:27:13] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: Those fans dont have enough static pressure nor CFM, beleive me I've tried
[16:27:20] <VisualEcho> That will certainly handle the dust, but with a laser, fumes are more of a problem. That Phat filter has 30 lbs of carbon in it
[16:27:39] <VisualEcho> and for this purpose it works just fine
[16:27:52] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: Keep the filter, use the DC instead of the vortex fan
[16:28:07] <Jymmm> You'll ruin your optics
[16:28:47] <VisualEcho> Thanks, we have a Harbor Freight store local, so I might just do that
[16:29:39] <Jymmm> Most laser mfg's want 650CFM @ 6" static pressure or better
[16:30:00] <Jymmm> vortex have less than 2" SP
[16:30:11] <Jymmm> and only ay 250 CFM
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[16:30:13] <VisualEcho> I think you'd laugh if you saw the pitiful fan the unit came with.
[16:30:24] <Jymmm> No I've seen them
[16:30:29] <Jymmm> ,
[16:31:28] <VisualEcho> It's not really doing much right now, need to fix the laser trigger
[16:31:34] <Jymmm> Also, use metal hose, not plastic. or it can catch fire.
[16:31:56] <VisualEcho> Yep. Fire extinguisher not shown in pictures :-)
[16:32:07] <Jymmm> And not the metalized paper either.
[16:32:57] <Jymmm> and NEVER EVER WALK AWAY FROM IT WHEN RUNNING or you get this...
[16:33:23] <VisualEcho> You wouldn't happen to have any clue on that stepper motor controller, would you? I'm still figuring out which pins do what
[16:33:48] <Jymmm> http://i37.tinypic.com/sqh6r7.jpg
[16:34:10] <Jymmm> http://i34.tinypic.com/eldwly.jpg
[16:34:35] <Jymmm> http://i36.tinypic.com/27y5n2d.jpg
[16:34:42] <alex_joni> Jymmm: lol
[16:34:46] <VisualEcho> Nice! Yep, I promised wife I wouldn't be engraving any logos on explosives
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[16:35:23] <alex_joni> although I'm sure it looks worse than it is
[16:35:26] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: She answred the phone for 2m and came back to that
[16:35:43] <VisualEcho> I hear using infrared CO2 lasers on Kevlar is huge piles of fun
[16:36:12] <Jymmm> I'm building a fire supression system for my laser
[16:36:21] <TekniQue> I hear shaping lithium batteries with laser is good clean fun
[16:36:52] <Jymmm> $30,000 worht of damage
[16:38:43] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: Also, NEVER EVER use PVC of any kind in the machine. It's toxic to the machine and those around it.
[16:39:06] <Jymmm> It's the #a thing that WILL void warranties on a laser.
[16:39:10] <Jymmm> #1
[16:39:31] <VisualEcho> Kevlar is supposed to generate cyanide, not planning on finding out about PVC, Lexan, and I guess I know about polycarbonate and stryrene
[16:39:54] <Jymmm> Lexan, PC and styrene are fine
[16:40:16] <Jymmm> so is PP, PE, avoid PTFE though
[16:40:23] <VisualEcho> What's a warrranty? This thing was $1400 drop shipped from Hangzhou with green Homeland Security inspection tape all over it
[16:40:50] <VisualEcho> I tried some teflon, didn't have any trouble, but it's dusty
[16:41:09] <Jymmm> Also toxic when reaches 500F
[16:41:24] <VisualEcho> Oh, well, yeah
[16:41:51] <Jymmm> and if you get dust, you've hit the 500F mark I'd suspect
[16:42:28] <VisualEcho> Love that Phat filter :-)
[16:43:15] <pcw_home> Aren't teflon fumes the stuff that kill birds as well?
[16:45:24] <pcw_home> overheated pans etc
[16:47:23] <VisualEcho> Polulu.com 's laser cutting service uses CO2 and states, "We cannot laser cut any metals, PVC, polycarbonate (Lexan), or carbon fiber."
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[16:48:10] <VisualEcho> I'll check a few more when I need to, right now, I'm just trying mylar (polyester)
[16:57:21] <VisualEcho> If I'm using a 10600 nanometer frequency laser, should I set the Z-axis plunge rate to 1.86 billion miles per second?
[17:02:01] <fragalot> anyone here know what laser would be required for a tiny laser engraver / paper cutter ?
[17:02:29] <Jymmm> fragalot: any co2 laser
[17:02:45] <Jymmm> fragalot: whaere you at on the planet?
[17:02:55] <fragalot> I've played about a bit wiht a salvaged 200mW laser diode from a dvd-rw which appears to ... sorta work
[17:02:58] <fragalot> Jymmm: belgium
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[17:03:48] <Jymmm> fragalot: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/high-power-200mw-red-laser-pen-burns-match-visible-beam-daytime-11315
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[17:04:13] <Jymmm> see videos at bottom
[17:04:46] <Jymmm> all out of focus... http://i53.tinypic.com/2ducze8.jpg
[17:04:47] <fragalot> yeah I was looking at that one :P
[17:05:01] <fragalot> noooooo
[17:05:05] <Jymmm> http://i51.tinypic.com/2jttp2.jpg
[17:05:08] * fragalot knocked over his box-o-screws
[17:05:12] <Jymmm> I did those
[17:05:21] <Jymmm> 1/4" thick acrylic
[17:05:29] <fragalot> Nice :D
[17:05:32] * fragalot orders
[17:05:41] <fragalot> it will be a neat addition to my mill :P
[17:05:43] <pcw_home> ebay laser diode for example 1W blue w driver fr $14.00 (with remaining good eye)
[17:05:44] <Jymmm> fragalot: NOT witht hat laser I linked to
[17:05:57] <fragalot> pcw_home: link?
[17:06:04] <Jymmm> fragalot: I have a 30W CO2 laser
[17:06:12] <fragalot> Jymmm: cheat.
[17:06:25] <fragalot> I don't really have the funds for a CO2 laser
[17:06:34] <Jymmm> fragalot: But I have done paper, turns out nice.
[17:06:45] <Jymmm> fragalot: you wanna see something REALLY nice?
[17:06:52] <fragalot> will I be jealous?
[17:07:02] <Jymmm> Hell, I'm jealous!
[17:07:08] <fragalot> probably not then
[17:07:16] <fragalot> hmmm
[17:07:28] <fragalot> 300mW laser diode for 1 euro
[17:07:30] <fragalot> hell yes.
[17:07:44] * fragalot also orders a housing for 5 euro
[17:08:08] <Jymmm> No, I didn't do this, it was done on a galvo laser... http://i54.tinypic.com/1rrkon.jpg
[17:08:09] <pcw_home> Sorry that was just driver but lots of IR 1W for $20.00 or so
[17:08:25] <fragalot> Jymmm: lush.
[17:08:41] <fragalot> I especially like the little lighting effect behind it
[17:08:41] <VisualEcho> http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=94
[17:09:07] <Jymmm> This I did on granite... http://i51.tinypic.com/24z9hnc.jpg
[17:09:22] <VisualEcho> very nice!
[17:09:51] <Jymmm> On 12" granite... http://i54.tinypic.com/k2mo7n.jpg
[17:09:59] <fragalot> hmm
[17:10:10] <fragalot> will I bother ordering a driver board, or will I just hack something together myself
[17:10:31] <fragalot> Jymmm: first one describes you well :D
[17:10:42] <Jymmm> fragalot: ?
[17:10:56] <fragalot> "spoiled rotten"
[17:10:57] <fragalot> :P
[17:11:21] <Jymmm> fragalot: I waited 7 years to get a laser dude, hardly spoiled.
[17:11:24] <fragalot> Jymmm: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/100-240mW-Laser-Module-Kit-Diode-Driver-Housing-/150572237217?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item230ece01a1
[17:11:34] <fragalot> or would I go for http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/808nm-300mW-High-Power-Burning-Infrared-Laser-Diode-Lab-/280635075898?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4157276d3a and http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Heatsink-Laser-Diode-Housing-Focusing-Lens-V2-/160554148945?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2561c5e451
[17:13:31] <fragalot> if I knew that 100mW would suffice for engraving (even if slowly) i'd probably go for the first
[17:13:57] <Jymmm> You'll need cooling of some sort
[17:14:29] <fragalot> for the diode, i presume?
[17:15:22] <Jymmm> and do they include a lens of some sort?
[17:15:43] <fragalot> the 100mW one appears to have everything included
[17:16:07] <fragalot> and the 300mW + housing has everything apart from a driver board
[17:17:49] <fragalot> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/300mW-650nm-Red-High-Power-burn-Laser-Diode-Module-Kit-/270719917157?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f082a1c65 <= or I could go for this one if I go over budget..
[17:19:09] <Jymmm> fragalot: get the glass lens for $12 more
[17:19:34] <fragalot> I'm sorta thinking 200mW could suffice, but yeah - i'd prefer a glass lens
[17:20:15] <atom1> http://cgi.ebay.com/40W-CO2-Laser-Tube-Power-Supply-Cutting-Engraving-/150552923733?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230da74e55
[17:20:36] <atom1> that's got my eye
[17:21:00] <fragalot> my current budget is ~30 euro tops.. It's not for any professional work
[17:21:05] <Jymmm> atom1: on china tubes, derate power given by 50%
[17:22:01] <Jymmm> also much of the time the tubes come in broken, so ask the policy on it before buying
[17:22:04] <fragalot> Jymmm: any suggestions for goggles btw?
[17:22:25] <Jymmm> fragalot: A piece of clear acrylic will be fine
[17:22:34] <fragalot> k, thx
[17:22:43] <Jymmm> fragalot: If in an enclosure that is
[17:22:45] <fragalot> I presume normal glasses don't? :P
[17:23:21] <Jymmm> probably, other than reflected IR light bouncing atound the room
[17:23:45] <fragalot> Right, my eyes are fubar enough as it is, I'll see if i can make an enclosure around it
[17:24:06] <Jymmm> fragalot: Even a cardboard box with an acrylic window
[17:24:26] <fragalot> s/cardboard/plywood/ was my plan
[17:24:45] <fragalot> I somewhat dislike cardboard for enclosures :P
[17:24:49] <Jymmm> atom1: heh, see the bottom of that auction... they will send free tube if broken in transit =)
[17:24:59] <Jymmm> fragalot: worse case scenario I meant
[17:25:10] <fragalot> :P
[17:25:10] <fragalot> brb
[17:25:14] <fragalot> thx for the help
[17:26:12] <Jymmm> fragalot: I might consider water cooling if prolinged use
[17:27:17] <Jymmm> the heat sink they include does look all that useful
[17:27:22] <Jymmm> ^not
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[17:36:52] <Jymmm> which needs oil, 2 or 4 stroke engine?
[17:37:16] <atom1> both but 2 struke takes a mix of fuel
[17:37:32] <atom1> around 40:1
[17:37:48] <atom1> depending on the application of course
[17:37:50] <Jymmm> add oil in the fuel on 2 stroke, right?
[17:37:57] <atom1> yessir
[17:38:02] <Jymmm> ok, damn
[17:38:04] <atom1> but it's not just any oil
[17:38:12] <rizo> I am looking at stepper-xyza example. There are functions hooked at threads (base-thread in this case), but i cant find the definition/declaration of this (base-thread) thread. Where is it?
[17:38:15] <L84Supper> if you keep the operating temp down the unit won't die earlier than it can, where is your sense of capitalism?
[17:41:24] <fragalot> back
[17:41:48] <fragalot> Jymmm: 2stroke uses 2stroke oil mixed in with the fuel at a ratio that depends on the engine & oil used.
[17:42:44] <fragalot> some use 20: others 32:1 and some 40:1
[17:43:01] <fragalot> Jymmm: what do you define "prolonged" use as?
[17:43:21] <fragalot> I planned on using fans to keep the heatsink provided cool
[17:44:31] <L84Supper> 10.6 micron wavelength? Is that a typo?
[17:48:05] <fragalot> Jymmm: tbf i'm still undecided what to get .. the ready to use 200mW DX one, or the 100mW kit, or the 300mW DIY pack
[17:50:04] <fragalot> Jymmm: what do you reckon it 'l take to simply etch something into wood?
[17:54:03] <fragalot> at the moment i'm doing it with a bunt tip going really slowly at 28000 but that's rather disgusting
[17:54:14] <fragalot> rpm
[17:58:32] <Jymmm> fragalot: I would find videos of ppl doing engraving using a hand laser like that and see the results
[17:59:27] <fragalot> shame only a few have someone with a proper laser diode tester uploading real results
[17:59:34] <fragalot> (some of the 200mW ones appear to only output 46mW)
[17:59:43] <Jymmm> It's burning matches, but not the dresser??? http://www.dealextreme.com/feedbacks/browseVideos.dx/sku.11315~id.11804
[18:00:28] * fragalot reckons he'll go for the first 200mW one linked
[18:01:00] <fragalot> all ready to go and it appears to be powerfull enough for my needs
[18:01:35] <fragalot> also
[18:01:50] <fragalot> someone suggest me a $3 item from DX so I can get 3 points :P
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[18:02:11] <Jymmm> http://s.dealextreme.com/search/magnets
[18:02:26] <fragalot> last time I ordered ~1000 magnets from DX it took 3 months to get here
[18:02:40] <fragalot> because it got stuck to the roof of the delivery van and they didn't notice it was there for ages
[18:02:46] <Jymmm> lol
[18:02:52] <Jymmm> then order 100
[18:02:53] <fragalot> :P
[18:03:01] <Jymmm> hold on then
[18:03:02] <IchGuckLive> B)
[18:03:03] <fragalot> I already have enough magnets I think
[18:03:19] <cv> It's £3 not $3
[18:03:30] <fragalot> cv: no, it's 3 dollars
[18:03:37] <cv> No i don't think so
[18:03:44] <fragalot> because the item I have now from DX is 27 dollars
[18:03:45] <IchGuckLive> if it is deliverd by UPS it will never arive because of the Navigation system will fale truh high magnetic fileds O.o
[18:03:50] <Jymmm> fragalot: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/metal-balisong-butterfly-knife-black-53214
[18:03:52] <cv> Where the hell do you think you are americo?
[18:04:04] <fragalot> cv: *dealextreme* uses dollars.
[18:04:15] <fragalot> cv: and in the real world it's € you chauvinist :P
[18:04:18] <cv> "dude" i am ripping you
[18:04:32] <cv> I am a proud brit
[18:04:38] <Jymmm> fragalot: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/world-s-smallest-solar-powered-car-37373
[18:04:38] <fragalot> yet a stubborn git
[18:04:38] <fragalot> ;)
[18:04:43] <cv> remember us?
[18:04:52] <Jymmm> Yeah, we kicked your ass
[18:04:55] <fragalot> Jymmm: I already have both :/
[18:04:55] <cv> We used to own americo?
[18:05:01] <fragalot> used to
[18:05:05] <fragalot> anyways
[18:05:07] <cv> lol
[18:05:17] <Jymmm> Brits lost almost everything they had actually.
[18:05:35] <cv> We taught you some non deprivatity
[18:05:36] <Jymmm> HK musta been a big ouch
[18:05:58] <IchGuckLive> agree Jymmm
[18:06:09] <cv> Anyway i'm a marine
[18:06:12] <IchGuckLive> packets over 45Days on the move
[18:06:18] <Jymmm> fragalot: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/wilderness-survival-fire-sparkle-blade-cutter-tool-large-36082
[18:06:31] <fragalot> already have the other one
[18:06:47] <Jymmm> fragalot: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/stainless-steel-retractable-travellers-cup-keychain-large-185ml-27661
[18:07:16] <fragalot> shiny but rather useless don't you think?
[18:07:26] <Jymmm> I like mine.
[18:07:27] <kb8wmc> cv: Semper Fi
[18:07:29] <Jymmm> fragalot: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/multicolored-led-decorative-snow-ball-2041
[18:07:46] <cv> Semper Fo, rock on actually
[18:07:49] <cv> i love you guys
[18:07:52] <Jymmm> fragalot: Fine, get one of these... http://www.dealextreme.com/p/the-fantasy-egg-for-him-wavy-29431
[18:07:52] <fragalot> Jymmm: already made one
[18:07:54] <cv> Fi
[18:07:57] <fragalot> Jymmm: hahaha
[18:07:59] <eik0> a friend of me and anonimasu bought them :)
[18:08:04] <eik0> they are so sweet
[18:08:22] <cv> Nah i am just messing
[18:08:25] <cv> i hope you see
[18:08:32] <Jymmm> fragalot: these are nice http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ultrafire-cree-c3-flashlight-with-2xaa-extension-tube-bundle-4452 I need to order more
[18:08:39] <fragalot> Jymmm: yes they are!
[18:08:52] <cv> I have an american friend here
[18:08:52] <fragalot> but seeing as I already have like 4 >.>
[18:08:56] <cv> cool guy
[18:08:59] <Jymmm> and youll get 2 points
[18:09:27] <fragalot> I wonder where that laser diode went that I'm looking for on DX
[18:09:31] <fragalot> the big aluminium heatsinky one
[18:09:44] <Jymmm> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/rechargeable-hid-spotlight-2000-lumens-4030
[18:09:58] <fragalot> can't remember the actual specs but it's in the watts region
[18:10:11] <kb8wmc> cv: what is your MOS?
[18:11:03] <Jymmm> fragalot: get 3 of these http://www.dealextreme.com/p/world-s-smallest-microsd-transflash-usb-2-0-mini-card-reader-11294
[18:11:37] <cv> private!
[18:11:41] <fragalot> that's rather rubbish seeing as the only microSD card I have is in my phone
[18:11:45] <fragalot> :P
[18:11:52] <fragalot> (and it came with an adapter)
[18:11:59] <Jymmm> that's all i use anymore
[18:13:22] <fragalot> DX needs a random button
[18:13:39] <Jymmm> http://www.dealextreme.com/gift-ideas
[18:14:23] <fragalot> not really a random button - it always suggests that bloody pig flatlight XD
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[18:14:47] <fragalot> I already have 200 of those RJ45 plugs so that's not really all that useful
[18:15:12] <fragalot> (they decided to reimburse me for a flawed item they sent me a while back with RJ45 plugs)
[18:15:30] <Jymmm> Since I told everyone about DX a ways back, I think you've ordered more from them than I have!
[18:15:33] <fragalot> Jymmm: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/car-cigarette-powered-1000ma-usb-adapter-charger-black-dc-12v-40470 <= this one works well btw
[18:15:49] <fragalot> Jymmm: hehe - i've known DX for AAAGES
[18:15:56] <rizo> how can i change the FLOAT signal from siggen TO BIT signal?
[18:16:11] <rizo> in hal?
[18:18:12] <fragalot> Jymmm: I might just order some heatshrink..
[18:18:41] <cradek> rizo: what are you trying to accomplish by doing this?
[18:18:50] <fragalot> Jymmm: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/3m-black-heat-shrink-tubing-five-size-pack-0-8-1-5-2-5-3-5-4-5mm-23451
[18:19:34] <rizo> i want one parport pin to blink using siggen
[18:20:13] <cradek> why do you want to use siggen? what will you do with the signal?
[18:21:07] <rizo> nothing, i just want to blink with LED :)
[18:21:36] <cradek> you can use the charge_pump component
[18:21:53] <cradek> you can use a stepgen in velocity mode
[18:22:23] <rizo> cradek, why not connect the siggen.0.square to output somehow, isnt this simple?
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[18:22:38] <fragalot> Jymmm: I just thought it might be a good idea to look up wether or not those 200mW lasers are actually legal here xD
[18:22:52] <cradek> for some reason siggen.square is a float, so no it's not very simple
[18:22:57] <rizo> cradek, is it not possible to change flot to integer ot bit
[18:23:00] <cradek> you can compare it with a comp (comparator) component
[18:23:07] <rizo> ok
[18:23:11] <rizo> i uderstand
[18:23:20] <rizo> will do that... thank you
[18:23:28] <cradek> really the only way to get a bit out of a float is to compare it to another float
[18:23:49] <rizo> cradek, thank you :)
[18:24:04] <skunkworks> I think matts added a bit output of siggen - but I am sure that is only in the development version.
[18:24:30] <cradek> if so, he didn't update the manpage
[18:24:37] <skunkworks> oops :)
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[18:26:58] <cradek> shame shame
[18:27:02] <mhaberler> anybody knows tom3p's email address?
[18:27:55] <cradek> mhaberler: could you please post in text/plain, not html, to the lists
[18:28:16] <mhaberler> ok
[18:28:27] <mhaberler> was that a -devel posting?
[18:28:36] <cradek> yes
[18:28:48] <cradek> I think -users is set up to strip the html and convert
[18:29:08] <cradek> I guess we assumed -devel posters would be able to handle email correctly :-)
[18:29:44] <cradek> (I had not seen an html list post for a long time)
[18:30:56] <mhaberler> ho-hum. Blushed again.
[18:31:08] <rizo> is there a list of all hal components, cant find it on wiki?
[18:31:36] <cradek> it's on the main docs page, http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/
[18:34:46] <cradek> I am wrong - mshaver DID update the docs
[18:35:49] <mhaberler> cradek: I default to text-only in my mailer - could be I sent something from the webmailer on the road. sorry
[18:36:52] <cradek> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082)
[18:37:05] <cradek> no big deal, I bet most people can read it
[18:37:17] <cradek> but text is nicer for future
[18:37:26] <psha> mutt is not handling it nice ;(
[18:37:46] <psha> and it's one-line message :)
[18:38:21] <cradek> all - psha = most
[18:38:24] <cradek> haha
[18:39:08] <cradek> psha: |elinks -dump -no-connect
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[18:46:23] <IchGuckLive> is it possible to config 5Axis via 1 LPT in EMC ?
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[18:47:02] <rizo> how can i put the signal with constant value to one of comparator inputs?
[18:47:14] <fragalot> Jymmm: ordered the 200mW from DX, I guess i'll find out wether or not it's legal in belgium in about a months time
[18:47:15] <rizo> can i generate a signal with a value?
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[18:49:34] <cradek> rizo: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/hal_basic_hal.html
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[18:54:45] <andypugh> Yay! The wohlhaupter UPA3 arrived. Just need a UPA1, 2, 5, and 6 to complete the set :-)
[18:55:03] <JT-Shop> is it the correct shape?
[18:55:08] <cradek> that would be an expensive fetish, er, collection
[18:58:34] <andypugh> I'd like to see a UPA1. The 4 takes a 22mm bar, the 3 takes an 18mm. The UPA1 takes 8mm bars, it must be tiny.
[19:01:25] <andypugh> The 3 is a much more useful size to me: https://picasaweb.google.com/bodgesoc/Gibbs?pli=1&gsessionid=0L6QSiWXtLvz5jbZdXQXDw#5584383602073848802
[19:01:51] <andypugh> (Need to clean that taper up, but I will be swapping for a BT30 eventually anyway)
[19:03:15] <andypugh> I don't understand how to work it. Press the button on the top right and both knurled rings move together, and the slide moves. Press another button (on the back) and pop-up that button and the knurled rings counter-rotate.
[19:03:18] <Jymmm> I swear, logistics is my nemesis!
[19:03:39] <andypugh> I think it has some sort of bore-to-endstop and then fast-retract mechanism.
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[19:11:40] <fragalot> Jymmm: http://cgi.ebay.de/600nm-700nm-Safety-Glasses-Red-Laser-Protection-Goggle-/280511251904?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item414fc605c0 <= reckon these are worth a damn?
[19:11:54] <fragalot> against a 200mW red laser (doesn't mention specific wavelength on dx)
[19:13:19] * fragalot feels somewhat doubtful wrt this
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[19:15:04] <fragalot> according to reviews, they're useless. xD *continues his search*
[19:15:56] <JT-Shop> andypugh: no instructions?
[19:16:23] <andypugh> "d not look into laser beam with remaining eye"
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[19:16:36] <andypugh> No, though a man on the internet is selling manuals.
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[19:16:46] <fragalot> Jymmm: http://www.dragonlasers.com/product.php?productid=16422&cat=296&page=1 <= I reckon i'll go for these. They're more expensive, but like I said before, my eyes are shite a sthey are from using a bad welding helmet..
[19:17:10] <fragalot> however I'll wait ordering them until the laser arrives (having the goggles but not hte laser would be fun)
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[19:29:47] <skunkworks> another realtime delay with a Atom D525
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[19:33:31] <Jymmm> fragalot: save your money and use it to build an enclosure
[19:34:17] <fragalot> Jymmm: Hmm. 'kay
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[19:34:37] <danimal_garage> i want a lazer
[19:34:41] <danimal_garage> laser*
[19:34:47] <danimal_garage> skunkworks, you too?!
[19:35:14] <danimal_garage> mine's a 510, but still, what's going on with these things?
[19:35:40] <skunkworks> it is on the mail list.
[19:35:46] <skunkworks> can you answer what you did?
[19:35:54] * fragalot has made a USB cnc controller
[19:36:00] <fragalot> if you don't want consistent speed it works ok
[19:36:17] <fragalot> (it just had to move, beeing realtime wasn't a requirement)
[19:36:36] <fragalot> http://baromatic.blogspot.com/ <= for this thing
[19:37:36] <PCW> Yes I wonder whats going on with the 510/525s, maybe its a 10.04 only issue
[19:39:03] <JT-Shop> YEA! my new floor mat has arrived
[19:40:53] <PCW> A floor mat is that exciting?
[19:41:05] <andypugh> No problems with my D510 yet, but then it hasn't moved many motors.
[19:41:57] <andypugh> Well, it has moved a lot of motors in a semi-exhaustive way during bldc testing, but nothing connected to a machine.
[19:42:14] <PCW> I also expect that the hardware stepgen driver could be more robust to latency problem
[19:42:22] <PCW> problems
[19:42:27] <JT-Shop> yea, my feet/knees are killing me when I run the lathe for long periods of time
[19:43:05] <PCW> Ahh standing on concrete...
[19:43:10] <JT-Shop> yea
[19:43:21] <JT-Shop> I have one by the mill and it is much better
[19:43:58] <JT-Shop> I think when I move the BP series1 over here I'll convert it from Anilam to EMC2 :)
[19:47:02] <JT-Shop> I think there is enough room in the monitor box for my D510 and a touch screen http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Machine%20Shop/HPIM0599.jpg
[19:49:20] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: does the analam have scales?
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[19:54:36] <JT-Shop> skunkworks: encoders :)
[19:54:49] <skunkworks> andypugh: says the boards are in the hands of the usps
[20:00:55] <andypugh> Jolly good.
[20:05:58] <danimal_garage> skunkworks, it's a video issue on mine i believe. I traced the realtime delay error to the screensaver
[20:06:07] <danimal_garage> bbl
[20:06:52] <danimal_garage> and yea, thinking about going back to 8.04 to see if it's a 10.04 issue only
[20:07:13] <skunkworks> danimal_garage: have you had it since you changed the video settings?
[20:08:46] <danimal_garage> not since i turned off the screensaver all together
[20:08:51] <danimal_garage> but it hasnt been that long
[20:09:00] <danimal_garage> bbl for real now
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[20:30:14] <VisualEcho> Jymmm: You were right about the vortex, it's just not enough static pressure
[20:30:29] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: Yeah, i know =)
[20:30:45] <Jymmm> I called and spoke to their engineers in Candada
[20:31:11] <VisualEcho> I have to vent it outside, it's just too much. I'll still keep it and the filter, as they do scrub the room air very nicely, but I have to find another blower
[20:31:16] <Jymmm> There is no inline fan that has more than 2" SP at the most, and that's reducing the CFM down to 250 or so
[20:31:25] <VisualEcho> Yep
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[20:31:34] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: I gave you the links at whout you should buy
[20:31:44] <VisualEcho> works great for air flow, but any real restriction and it falls off too fast
[20:32:07] <VisualEcho> Harbor Freight? That unit looked interesting, will it fit air ducting?
[20:32:10] <VisualEcho> I'll look
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[20:36:11] <VisualEcho> and it will. 4 inch ducts, store 5 miles away open for another 5 hours :-)
[20:36:40] <Jymmm> get the router speed control too
[20:36:55] <Jymmm> but dont turn it too low in actual usage
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[20:37:18] <VisualEcho> Already got that one for the Vortex, yeah I know about SCR choppers
[20:37:24] <Jymmm> only the RED HF DC is speed controlable with that thing
[20:38:08] <VisualEcho> the blower takes a lot of amperage, I need a new circuit breaker too
[20:38:37] <Jymmm> I run the laser and DC on the same 20a circuit among other thigns too
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[20:39:28] <VisualEcho> I think I can do it, but I have an old house, circuit might be only 15A. Not a problem, I can fix that
[20:39:40] <Jymmm> k
[20:40:04] <VisualEcho> stick a penny under the fuse... voila - 20 amps
[20:40:26] <Jymmm> Hello 911, I'd like to make a reservation....
[20:40:36] <VisualEcho> <lol>
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[20:47:25] <VisualEcho> "if I knew what I was doing, I wouldn't call it research" Thanks again for the help today, I'm off to the store
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[21:12:36] <Jymmm> VisualEcho: what makes you think anyone else knows what their doing?
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[21:13:53] <fragalot> haha
[21:13:55] <elmo40> i 'research' all day long ;)
[21:14:15] <fragalot> elmo40: yeah, BUT has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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[21:15:41] <coldelectrons> Does anyone here use BobCAD in conjunction with EMC2?
[21:17:22] <JT-Shop> I tried to but gave up
[21:18:46] <JT-Shop> did you have a question or were you just taking a poll?
[21:20:24] <coldelectrons> I was wonder how well BC 'speaks' EMC's dialect
[21:20:31] <coldelectrons> s/wonder/wondering
[21:22:12] <coldelectrons> A friend of mine just went to a convention, and someone there was pushing bobcad, probably packaged with a computer with Mach3 :(
[21:23:15] <JT-Shop> they push bobcad real hard
[21:23:47] <JT-Shop> as for a post processor they claim to have one for EMC but I would not waste my money again on bobcad
[21:23:57] <coldelectrons> well, this guy is pushing other stuff - he's just using a pirate bobcad v20 as a sweetner
[21:24:33] <JT-Shop> I have a couple copies (legal) and won't use it
[21:24:59] <JT-Shop> bobcad is not a sweetener IMHO
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[21:25:38] <coldelectrons> More eye-candy to impress, then
[21:26:08] <JT-Shop> bobcad could only impress those that don't know anything about bobcad
[21:26:34] <JT-Shop> sorry if I feel negative about bobcad... but it's a horrible memory
[21:26:55] <andypugh> How much did you pay?
[21:27:26] <JT-Shop> I don't remember exactly but it was 1/4 or less than the online cost
[21:27:48] <JT-Shop> they just kept coming back with lower prices till I fell down and took one
[21:28:11] <JT-Shop> I had a copy of bobcad that came with my BP Anilam mill when I bought it
[21:28:37] <JT-Shop> on top of the money is all the time I wasted with bobcad
[21:29:29] <andypugh> Impressive: http://www.bobcad.com/products/software/v24/mill/standard
[21:29:36] <coldelectrons> "All software sucks, some more than others"
[21:29:50] <andypugh> A "buy it" button that doesn't work. That's sending a warning signal :-)
[21:30:59] <JT-Shop> whatever you do don't download the free demo unless you want to be hounded for years to purchase it
[21:31:35] <coldelectrons> I'm always uneasy about 'buy it' buttons on sites that don't list prices - they're black holes into which your email address and info disappear into, and come back as telemarketers and salesmen
[21:32:16] <coldelectrons> Hm, sounds like an idea for a movie script
[21:32:49] <JT-Shop> hell it might even work now but I'll never find out :)
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[21:41:12] <coldelectrons> Argh. Why do I have to be the one to educate my computer-illiterate friend into making the proper choice?
[21:41:45] <JT-Shop> does he have a CNC machine now?
[21:41:50] <ds3> has the effort to get RTAI on to ARM made any traction?
[21:42:15] <Connor> JT-Shop: What CAM do you use?
[21:42:26] <coldelectrons> JT: Yes - it's some custom-made mediocrity called a 'Cuemonster'
[21:42:49] <JT-Shop> I use OneCNC
[21:43:04] <JT-Shop> coldelectrons: what does it do?
[21:43:05] <coldelectrons> onecnc to rule them all?
[21:43:19] <JT-Shop> no but it works and is cost effective
[21:44:01] <coldelectrons> JT-Shop: it's a cnc router with rotary axis to work on billiard cues
[21:44:23] <Connor> I'm using CamBAM in Demo mode (40 times you can run the program) but, since i never power down the computer, and never close down the cam.. I've had it up for a few months now on 1 usage
[21:44:27] <JT-Shop> that could be interesting
[21:45:39] <fragalot> Connor: nice :D
[21:46:35] * fragalot uses cut2D from Vectric (it works ok for basic things if you draw a dxf outside of it)
[21:47:12] <Connor> I use Autodesk Inventor, export faces out as dxf into CamBAM. and then.. go to town.
[21:49:32] <fragalot> Ooo cambam can do PCBs too
[21:51:02] <fragalot> Connor: can you read gerber files into it?
[21:51:15] <Connor> No clue, I use Eagle and pcb2gcode for that.
[21:51:51] <Connor> sorry, pcbtogcode
[21:52:00] <fragalot> same, it's just a bit ... meh at times
[21:52:23] <Connor> two different ones at times.. one is a plugin for Eagle, the other.. I dunno.. never got it to work.
[21:52:29] <fragalot> mm.. cambam costs the same as cut2D, yet it appears to be far more functional
[21:52:31] <fragalot> boo.
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[21:52:40] <fragalot> oh well
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[21:54:43] <fragalot> I vaguely wonder wether you could run cambam demo in a VM now & keep the VM state saved so it keeps "running"
[21:55:17] <Connor> Why bother.. just take a snap shot of it..
[21:55:23] <Connor> and restore it. when you run out.
[21:55:23] <fragalot> that's what i meant
[21:55:35] <coldelectrons> fragalot: You could use virtualbox's 'snapshot' feature
[21:55:40] <Connor> well. in VMWare, you can pause a PC.
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[21:56:04] <fragalot> i'm using vmware to do the same for some shitty ancient program to program DSP's from motorola with
[21:56:09] <coldelectrons> VB can also 'save' it's state, iirc
[21:56:10] <fragalot> "boxview" (for uni)
[21:56:50] <Connor> I haven't tried it on my Win7 VM... I might try that later..
[21:57:32] <Connor> I have a 64bit WinXP machine I run it on.. Wish I had it on a 32 bit version, the Autocad that comes with Inventor won't run on 64bit machine.
[21:57:39] <Connor> and it doesn't play nice with VMware
[21:58:01] <fragalot> wrt cambam -- rofl
[21:58:21] <coldelectrons> fragalot: ?
[21:58:22] <fragalot> latest stable release: BETA 0.9.7f
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[21:59:15] <Connor> I'm running 0.9.8
[21:59:32] <Connor> much better.
[21:59:48] <coldelectrons> mmm, bleeding edge
[22:00:19] <Connor> What is lead in for ?I've never used that..
[22:00:24] <coldelectrons> how cute, cambam names thier versions, too
[22:00:46] <coldelectrons> 'boombastic beaver'
[22:01:34] * fragalot tests if restoring a snapshot works
[22:01:37] <Connor> Well.. Gotta run.
[22:01:43] <Connor> Back in a few hours.
[22:01:55] <fragalot> cya
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[22:02:49] <fragalot> snapshots work fine ^__^
[22:03:08] * coldelectrons has to go make an XKCD-style chart showing how CAD/CAM usage causes hair loss and erectile dysfunction
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[22:08:47] <danimal_garage> ha
[22:15:14] <fragalot> Connor: shame cambam doesn't have engraving bit shapes for the ToolProfile
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[23:14:12] <atmega> anyone know how much an enco 9x20 is worth?
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[23:19:41] <danimal_garage> skunkworks, you try the screensaver thing?
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[23:26:32] <JT-Shop> used?
[23:26:53] <JT-Shop> used very little? used a lot?
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[23:34:49] <atom1> http://www.caelinux.com/CMS/
[23:34:53] <atom1> anybody use that?
[23:35:01] <atom1> does it have a cam add on?
[23:36:14] <atom1> may as well throw this one out there too
[23:36:16] <atom1> http://www.cncexpo.com/SpeedsFeeds.aspx
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[23:39:39] <atom1> http://cgi.ebay.com/Enco-9x20-percision-bench-lathe-tooling-and-extras-/270716893248?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f07fbf840
[23:39:53] <atom1> atmega, somebody thinks it's worth twelve hundred bucks
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[23:43:10] <danimal_garage> why not buy an old atlas lathe for $200?
[23:43:18] <danimal_garage> probably a much better machine
[23:43:27] <atom1> i did but mine is rather small
[23:43:43] <danimal_garage> so is that atom
[23:43:43] <atom1> and older than that one
[23:43:58] <danimal_garage> old doesnt mean bad, and new doesnt mean good
[23:44:49] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/sumo_files/lathe3.jpg
[23:49:09] <JT-Shop> it must work there are chips everywhere
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