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[00:06:07] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: can you make a triple chain ring?
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[00:17:45] <JT-Shop> fpr a Trel Pilot 2.1
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[00:35:50] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, i don't make ramped/pinned stuff for shifting
[00:37:19] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, the guy in Indo said western union is fine, he just didnt want to use a credit card over the internet.
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[00:44:43] <danimal_garage> so my positioning jumped again a little in the x axis
[00:45:09] <danimal_garage> however, it's hot in here and i didnt turn the fan on for the drives
[00:46:15] <danimal_garage> the y axis is fine, however i noticed i slowed down the acceleration on the y and not the x, so it might still be overheating the x drive
[00:46:50] <cradek> that's a really crappy way to respond to overheating
[00:47:34] <danimal_garage> i still have to finish the door for the enclosure which has 2 fans in it
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[00:48:54] <danimal_garage> cradek, i called the tech department for the company that made the drives, and he said it's possible that the drives cant handle the load, which is causing them to overheat and do weird things
[00:51:20] <cradek> yeah I read that -- if so it's a really poor failure mode
[00:51:38] <cradek> it should fault and turn on an "I overheated" LED
[00:52:28] <danimal_garage> it has one, however i believe it's probably hovering right below that threshold, which isnt low enough
[00:52:46] <cradek> ah
[00:53:02] <danimal_garage> he said max operating temp is 40c
[00:53:14] <danimal_garage> and it's 80+ in the garage
[00:53:26] <danimal_garage> f
[00:54:30] <danimal_garage> thats only 104f
[00:55:00] <danimal_garage> kinda weaksauce
[00:55:17] <danimal_garage> not sure how i'll keep them cool when it's 100 out
[00:55:19] <cradek> yeah we have some 40c days around here
[00:55:57] <cradek> not that I'd want to spend too much time in a non-AC shop on those days.
[00:56:20] <danimal_garage> yea
[00:56:53] <danimal_garage> i have a portable AC unit i use in the summer, but it'll still get to 85-90 in here on the hottest days
[00:59:13] <atmega> put the drives in a cabinet, put a cheap window unit in the cabinet
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[03:23:44] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: cool
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[11:57:53] <jthornton> dang sun is an hour late coming over the horizon today
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[11:58:46] <archivist> on time here :)
[11:59:29] <archivist> but then time (GMT) started here too
[12:00:14] <jthornton> do you guys do that silly daylight savings time stuff too?
[12:00:51] <archivist> yes
[12:01:16] <archivist> they are talking about changing
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[12:27:18] <psha> jthornton: what's bad with daylight saving time?
[12:27:36] <jthornton> psha: what's good about it?
[12:27:47] <psha> day light saving ;)
[12:27:59] <jthornton> you don't save anything
[12:28:01] <psha> with summer time in winter you'll get night whole day
[12:28:19] <jthornton> only where I was born
[12:28:42] <psha> heh, where you've bord you'll get night all day despite saving/timezone ;)
[12:29:08] <psha> even here in moscow in december we get not much light
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[13:16:33] <jthornton> http://gnipsel.com/shop/machine-shop.xhtml
[13:20:59] <i_tarzan> psha: which russian lathe/mill are the best?
[13:33:44] <psha> i_tarzan: don't know - have seen lathe only in school :)
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[14:05:38] <kb8wmc> psha: I am trying to install the "Embed Live Video to Axis" feature and have a question as to where to place the "reparent.patch"...
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[14:16:23] <psha> kb8wmc: http://psha.org.ru/b/camview-emc.html#_how_to_get_it
[14:16:47] <kb8wmc> psha: thank you
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[14:40:18] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: what kind of bikes do you make the sprockets for?
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[15:10:30] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: pedal bikes ;)
[15:10:33] <alex_joni> not your kind :P
[15:17:16] <JT-Shop> I was wondering what kind of pedal bike :P
[15:17:33] <JT-Shop> mountain bike or something I guess
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[15:27:27] <atom1> yeah mountain bikes
[15:27:42] <atom1> i asked the same thing a while back :)
[15:28:04] <atom1> jt, your machine links are empty :(
[15:28:35] <JT-Shop> I'm just thinking of something to do after my construction career is over
[15:28:57] <atom1> seems you've gone from one extreme to another
[15:29:17] <JT-Shop> atom1: yea, not done yet but you can view them here http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/
[15:29:24] <JT-Shop> how is that?
[15:30:28] <atom1> vaccum wrench.. is that a vacuum table?
[15:31:10] <JT-Shop> no, it sucks the gas out of a carburetor after the run tunnel, that one was the prototype
[15:31:15] <atom1> doesn't look like one but you never know
[15:31:31] <JT-Shop> just to prove how much gas we could get out
[15:31:46] <JT-Shop> the one we designed is fully automatic now
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[16:25:42] <mrsunshine_> gah, what to cast machinable wax in to get blocks :/
[16:26:07] <atom1> tupperware
[16:26:13] <atom1> or rubbermaid tubs
[16:26:22] <atom1> or make a wood frame
[16:26:27] <JT-Shop> tin foil lined box
[16:26:28] <atom1> and line it with plastic
[16:26:32] <atom1> or something
[16:27:01] <atom1> screw it together in case you get stuck
[16:28:10] <seb_kuzminsky> anyone have a mechanical spec/drawing for an atx case? i'm mounting a micro-atx motherboard i need to know where to put the screw that holds the pci card finger
[16:28:22] <atom1> well, i made one
[16:28:30] <atom1> i can look it up
[16:28:31] <mrsunshine_> that gives me an idea, to use the flasks i have for sand casting
[16:28:40] <mrsunshine_> line them with something and voila =)
[16:28:55] <atom1> seb_kuzminsky, i probably have the mechanical for it here somewhere
[16:29:12] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd love a copy
[16:29:22] <atom1> mini or micro? mine was mini
[16:29:44] <atom1> but you can get specs for either
[16:30:21] <seb_kuzminsky> either's fine
[16:32:26] <atom1> ok i found mine, i'll upload it
[16:32:34] <seb_kuzminsky> thx
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[16:34:16] <atom1> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/itx/
[16:34:23] <atom1> i put up one for the atx too
[16:35:16] <atom1> i probably have some sort of cad file although it's probably minimal
[16:35:35] <atom1> i'd have to export it from smartcam
[16:35:56] <seb_kuzminsky> that atx spec doesnt have the info i'm looking for
[16:36:07] <atom1> the itx probably does
[16:36:15] <seb_kuzminsky> i didn't see it in there either
[16:36:16] <atom1> the OG_EPIA one
[16:36:24] <atom1> what do you need?
[16:36:40] <atom1> P9 has the dimensions
[16:36:56] <seb_kuzminsky> neither has it
[16:37:29] <seb_kuzminsky> i need the location of the screw hole for the pci card's finger, in relation to the motherboard mounting holes
[16:37:53] <atom1> 165.1mm from teh origin is the centerline for it
[16:38:08] <atom1> err, no that's something else
[16:38:42] <atom1> P10 gives it
[16:39:00] <atom1> 142.62mm and 7.62 wide
[16:39:39] <atom1> the Y i'm not sure about
[16:40:10] <atom1> i'd center the screw in the 7.72 dimension and measure the Y
[16:40:30] <atom1> or measure both
[16:41:30] <JT-Shop> seb_kuzminsky: I had to guess at it when I did the CHNC
[16:42:12] <JT-Shop> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer04.jpg
[16:44:36] <JT-Shop> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer04.jpg
[16:45:48] <JT-Shop> it doesn't show in the photos but I use some small 6-32 all thread to fasten the angle to the base plate
[16:49:46] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: i dont see where you're getting these numbers from
[16:50:07] <atom1> P 10 at the bottom
[16:50:20] <seb_kuzminsky> JT-Shop: all-thread, that's an interesting idea, i was planning to build a small frame out of Al angle
[16:51:20] <atom1> it shows the slot location but you can figure the card mount isn't gonna be far from that
[16:51:46] <atom1> a little right or left of it.. i forget which
[16:52:19] <seb_kuzminsky> okj thx
[16:53:37] <JT-Shop> the all thread made it easy to get the height correct :)
[16:56:54] <atom1> or one of us could be nice and measure it
[17:06:20] <mrsunshine_> well think i got to 1" thick or something like that atleast :p
[17:06:26] <mrsunshine_> but not very thick :/
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[19:07:00] <tom3p> how to develop .ui files?
[19:07:05] <tom3p> see terminal session at http://pastebin.com/fXzsQVen
[19:07:06] <tom3p> yes, the supplied .ui's work in emc, but i cannot create a new gladevcp pane.
[19:07:26] <tom3p> mah around?
[19:08:09] <mrsunshine_> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?GladeVcp?
[19:08:11] <psha> tom3p: . scripts/emc-environment
[19:08:18] <psha> then just use glade
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[19:08:36] <tom3p> thats been done in the terminal seesion logged at that url i supplied
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[19:08:49] <mrsunshine_> can i run gcode from controls ?
[19:08:50] <tom3p> and yes glade works, not gladevcp
[19:08:57] <mrsunshine_> say i want to make a touchoff control or something for a tool
[19:09:04] <mrsunshine_> just pressing it goes to home location touches the tool off
[19:09:07] <mrsunshine_> then goes back
[19:09:24] <psha> tom3p: see error on line 26
[19:09:32] <psha> you need to run scripts/realtime start
[19:09:36] <psha> not /etc/init.d/realtime start
[19:09:42] <psha> (i guess)
[19:09:52] <tom3p> hmm, ok will try
[19:10:06] <psha> mrsunshine_: what controls?
[19:10:07] <psha> buttons?
[19:10:19] <mrsunshine_> if i make own control buttons yes
[19:10:39] <mrsunshine_> or trigger a gcode from the tool change command
[19:10:53] <mrsunshine_> but i guess that i have to do in my gcode :P
[19:10:55] <mrsunshine_> call subs
[19:11:23] <psha> you may run gcode from buttons - both in pyvcp (+halui) and in gladevcp
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[19:12:51] <tom3p> psha it worked! the wiki page is verblungened ! vermished & verstunk will edit that now
[19:13:05] <psha> cool :)
[19:13:20] <psha> since gladevcp will be in next major release good documentation is very important
[19:13:27] <tom3p> and will add the magic script/realtime stop (damnit)
[19:13:29] <psha> (however this magick won't be needed)
[19:15:57] <tom3p> really need to run it from halrun so inspection via meter&scope are allowed, need a wrapper .hal
[19:17:46] <tom3p> i'll save the wiki page and edit offline, then upload later
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[19:24:20] <cpresser_> did anyone ever have luck with long and thin endmill tools? i need a 1/8" tool with 3" length.
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[19:24:25] <chille> O HAI!
[19:24:42] <mrsunshine_> omg .... not him ..
[19:24:44] <mrsunshine_> shhh
[19:24:44] <cpresser_> i already got 4 tools like that, but they are all china-crap
[19:25:16] <Jymmm> cpresser_: 3" I'd think you would have issues would round-out
[19:25:38] <cpresser_> yes. i have big problems with round-out
[19:25:53] <Jymmm> cpresser_: material?
[19:26:01] <chille> i want to automate all possible stuff so i can control my laser cutter with just doing a minimal amount of work
[19:26:03] <cpresser_> hard-foam (Necuron)
[19:26:08] <chille> any ideas of what i should do?
[19:26:20] <cpresser_> its much easier to cut than wood
[19:26:43] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Thinner sheets, then layer/laminate them?
[19:27:01] <chille> i aready have the flow of creating g code automated, but now i want to load that g-code into EMC2 and just get a message that i should prepare the material en start the cutting
[19:27:34] <cpresser_> basically a good idea, but its an archiecture-model, it wont fullfill the requirements for a clean look
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[19:28:07] <Jymmm> cpresser_: May be your only option
[19:28:40] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Oh, I hate you btw.... you alwasy find these neat materials to work with.
[19:29:03] <cpresser_> hehe, i did dpent a lot of money on that :/
[19:29:04] <archivist> cpresser_, are you feeding at too high a rate
[19:29:31] <cpresser_> archivist: the material has a datasheet, i calculated my feed rates with those value
[19:29:56] <archivist> yes but your tooling overrides that
[19:30:12] <atom1> and if it didn't i'd be envious
[19:31:00] <archivist> and also you may not be clearing chips well enough with such a thing tool
[19:31:03] <archivist> thin
[19:31:15] <cpresser_> i got air to blow them away
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[19:32:17] <atom1> i sure wouldn't use carbide
[19:32:26] <atom1> not that thin and long
[19:32:32] <cpresser_> HSS-tools?
[19:32:39] <atom1> tougher
[19:33:01] <atom1> will take more deflection before snapping
[19:33:08] <archivist> they will all spring to some extent, reduce feed see if its better
[19:33:22] <atom1> or maybe some coated tool if it's abrasive stuff
[19:34:23] * cpresser_ is on the phone for a few minutes
[19:35:03] <andypugh> What's the trick to persuading Ali to cut rather than stir-weld?
[19:35:43] <atom1> ali?
[19:35:45] <Jymmm> LN2 ???
[19:37:24] <andypugh> Aluminium/alumium/aluminum...
[19:37:37] <atom1> 2 flute
[19:37:46] <archivist> sharp tooling
[19:37:50] <atom1> lower the chip load
[19:38:05] <archivist> and lubricant
[19:38:09] <atom1> or go with carbide and high speed spindle
[19:38:18] <Jymmm> atomic number 13 on the periodic table
[19:38:18] <atom1> and cut it like butter
[19:40:04] <atom1> unless it's some crap alloy then it's just gonna cut bad
[19:41:11] <atom1> or O material
[19:41:59] <cpresser_> if i lower the chip load more, i will end up not cutting but rather scraping the material -> heat problems
[19:42:30] <cpresser_> i already have 0.05mm/flute, the manual suggest 0.2mm/flute
[19:42:39] <atom1> mine was directed to the ali question..
[19:43:15] <atom1> does it suggest a rpm?
[19:43:47] <archivist> cpresser_, what depth per pass are you cutting
[19:43:52] <cpresser_> yes, 12.000 rpm, feed 10m/min
[19:44:11] <cpresser_> archivist: since its a finishing-pass only 1mm
[19:44:35] <atom1> with that long cutter you may have to slow it down
[19:44:52] <atom1> (proportionally long)
[19:45:05] <cpresser_> i am already at ~2m/min with a lower rpm
[19:45:17] <atom1> and is it burning or what?
[19:45:37] <archivist> 1mm could be a lot for a 3" 1/8th
[19:45:44] <atom1> i kept burning my plastic cases until i went to carbide
[19:45:45] <cpresser_> no, the tool is bending to much
[19:46:04] <archivist> reduce depth of cut too then
[19:46:05] <cpresser_> -> my workpiece gets scrapped
[19:46:17] <atom1> that's a problem with long cutters
[19:46:20] <cpresser_> i could try to do even less tan 1mm, right
[19:46:40] <atom1> i'd use a short cutter where possible and only use the long one where it's absolutely needed
[19:46:42] <archivist> reduce on the roughing cuts too
[19:47:03] <atom1> it might cost an extra tool change but it might work
[19:48:34] <cpresser_> sounds reasonable. thanks for all the advice
[19:50:03] <cpresser_> i might also use the tool-change; even if it takes much more time.
[19:55:12] <atom1> we've done that on jobs to help with chatter problems that come with long tools
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[19:55:51] * cpresser_ writes down: "Never tell a customer it can be done without testing _everything_ first."
[19:56:26] <atom1> no sense of adventure?
[19:57:10] <cpresser_> not when that much money is at stake
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[21:38:04] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: ping
[21:38:15] <TekniQue> can anyone give me hints about how I can skip parts of a G-code program in EMC
[21:38:22] <TekniQue> but not lose the relative positioning
[21:39:00] <TekniQue> let's say, milling bit snaps halfway through a 2 hour job
[21:39:19] <JT-Shop> run from line
[21:39:23] <andypugh> What do you mean by "relative positioning"? Are you using incremental rather than absolute code? In that case, there is no way to skip sections and still have the program work.
[21:39:45] <TekniQue> yes the code is incremental, generated by a CAM program
[21:40:03] <JT-Shop> ouch
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[21:40:12] <atom1> i'd sure change that :D
[21:40:53] <JT-Shop> in that case you change bits and watch it cut air for an hour or so
[21:41:05] <andypugh> If you know exactly where the axes should be at any point in the program, you could use MDI to go there, start the spindle, and run-from-line
[21:41:47] <andypugh> You could change the max-feed-override parameter in the INI file to 1000% and spend a bit less time watching it cut air :-)
[21:42:07] <TekniQue> MDI?
[21:42:13] <andypugh> The main lesson is, lose the incremental coding.
[21:42:28] <andypugh> F5 key, you can type in G-code one line at a time.
[21:42:37] <TekniQue> oh yeah
[21:42:38] <TekniQue> the other tab
[21:42:47] <TekniQue> I use that a lot
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[21:55:30] <Jymmm> Has anyone come across a wirewrap tool for 22ga wire?
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[22:01:03] <pcw_home> Thats pretty big for wire wrap I think telephone wires the largest I've seen (25? ga)
[22:01:19] <Jymmm> 22/24ga is telco
[22:01:55] <pcw_home> Not the stuff I have its 25
[22:02:01] <Jymmm> I found some ww tools, just they never say if it'll strip the isulation or not automatically
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[22:04:10] <pcw_home> Probably not
[22:07:46] <Jymmm> You would think that anyone using an electric ww gun, woul dhave to do 1000's of wraps and manuallying stripping would be a pita
[22:09:32] <pcw_home> There used to be some system that cut through the insulation as it wrapped but needed funny insulation (Tefzel?)
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[22:11:24] <pcw_home> The automatic backplane wire wrapping equipment of the 70s and 80s must have had something like a built in stripper
[22:12:23] <TekniQue> yeah it wouldn't be complex
[22:12:29] <pcw_home> I remember buying the pre-stripped 1", 2", 3" pieces when I was wire wrapping stuff
[22:14:24] <Guest602> dad geared down the high pressure pump on the k&t 3:1-ish and that helped noise tremendously
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[22:15:17] <pcw_home> You don't need the volume (or noise) anymore I guess
[22:16:36] <skunkworks_> right - the main thing it did before was run the servos. now it is just table clamp/lift and collet
[22:17:34] <skunkworks_> (it is a constant pressure pump)
[22:17:41] <pcw_home> Does it have an accumulator?
[22:18:25] <skunkworks_> it will ;) (they got taken out of the circuit when we removed the servos - thinking we might add one back in to take up the pressure pulses
[22:19:25] <pcw_home> I might allow you to shut off the pump when the accumulator is full and theres no flow
[22:19:49] <skunkworks_> we have thought about that ;)
[22:20:10] <Jymmm> pressure switch + timer relay
[22:22:25] <pcw_home> switch on full accumulator is probably better (not sure how big the pressure difference is between full and empty accumulator it might be small for a good accumulator)
[22:26:25] <skunkworks_> pcw_home: did you see my comment yesterday - I have an overshoot between acc and cruise phase that seems impossible to get rid of (isn't a big deal - because it is only at shuttle speeds)
[22:28:07] <pcw_home> No, but its probably an argument for cubic (limited jerk) profiles
[22:28:14] <skunkworks_> ah
[22:28:42] <pcw_home> do you use FF2?
[22:28:43] <skunkworks_> probably a few things going on - I have only noticed it bad on y axis (vertical) and going up.
[22:29:00] <skunkworks_> I don't have any values in ff2 (just ff1)
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[22:31:01] <pcw_home> A little FF2 might help but then you start seeing the troubles with trapezoidal profiles
[22:31:02] <pcw_home> (FF2 is a square wave ,not something you really want to apply too liberally to a motion system)
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[22:34:29] <skunkworks__> logger[psha]_
[22:35:24] <skunkworks__> pcw_home: thanks - when I get a chance I will play with it
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[22:53:23] <chille> do anyone have an example of how i do a nested loop in EMC?
[22:53:41] <chille> i tried this one, but EMC keeps hanging when i load the file:
[22:53:41] <chille> http://pastebin.com/QMTiLVj8
[22:53:51] <chille> and i can't figure out if the syntax is correct or not
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[22:54:12] <chille> i have altso tried to actually do something in the loop, and not just an empty one
[22:54:33] <DaViruz> hello chille
[22:54:39] <JT-Shop> Subroutine bodies may not be nested. They may only be called after they are defined. They may be called from other functions, and may call themselves recursively if it makes sense to do so. The maximum subroutine nesting level is 10.
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[22:55:10] <chille> DaViruz: O HAI! :D
[22:56:07] <DaViruz> thornton is right, i missed that one :/
[22:56:18] <JT-Shop> chille: each subroutine has to have a unique number
[22:56:21] <DaViruz> oh wait, that's subroutines
[22:56:30] <DaViruz> this is while loops
[22:56:47] <JT-Shop> each loop has to have a unique number
[22:56:58] <chille> JT-Shop: i found a example where the syntax was something like "WHILE [] DO1" blabla "END1", but i couldn't get that code to work :o
[22:57:15] <DaViruz> no that syntax is deprecated
[22:57:31] <JT-Shop> that doesn't sound like it would work
[22:57:38] <DaViruz> JT-Shop: the O-word needs to be unique?
[22:58:00] <JT-Shop> yes
[22:58:07] <DaViruz> that explains alot :)
[22:58:14] <chille> i don't even know what the O word means, i just found that example in the manual
[22:58:23] <JT-Shop> darn manual doesn't spell that out
[22:58:27] <chille> so you mean i should use like O101 + O102?
[22:58:29] <DaViruz> i noticed
[22:58:33] <JT-Shop> yea
[22:58:38] <chille> aha, okay
[22:58:47] <DaViruz> i thought O101 was for while, O102 was for if etc
[22:58:56] <chille> yeah, me too
[22:58:57] <JT-Shop> that way the software knows what goes with what
[22:58:59] <DaViruz> which admittedly sounds redundant
[22:59:22] <chille> so the Oxxx is compatible with the "GOTO xx" in basic?
[22:59:58] <JT-Shop> probably more like a label
[23:00:12] <JT-Shop> o101 while
[23:00:14] <chille> yeah, of course i mean the label
[23:00:15] <JT-Shop> o101 endwhile
[23:00:21] <JT-Shop> o102 while
[23:00:25] <JT-Shop> o102 endwhile
[23:00:29] <JT-Shop> etc
[23:00:54] <JT-Shop> but I may be full of shit too :)
[23:01:30] <JT-Shop> O-codes provide for flow control in NC programs. Each block has an associated number, which is the number used after O. Care must be taken to properly match the O-numbers. O codes use the letter "O" not the number zero as the first character in the number like O100.
[23:01:41] <JT-Shop> I base my assumption on this part of the manual
[23:01:55] <chille> ah, sweet, the loop works perfect now
[23:01:57] <chille> thanks! :)
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[23:03:30] <JT-Shop> dang internet is lumpy today
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[23:13:51] <andypugh> I think the main reason for the "O" word is so that the parser doesn't try to move the W axis to HILE :-)
[23:14:58] <JT-Shop> LOL
[23:15:33] <JT-Shop> andypugh: did you get your new boring head yet?
[23:15:40] <andypugh> No.
[23:15:51] <andypugh> I need to query that. It's been 10 days.
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[23:20:04] <chille> do anyone have experience from running EMC without a GUI?
[23:20:19] <chille> with an externa GUI i mean
[23:20:33] <JT-Shop> is a MAX-ACCELERATION value of 20,000 crazy
[23:20:49] <andypugh> It seems to be a common way that people choose to make their life more difficult.
[23:20:53] <JT-Shop> yes there are people that run EMC that way
[23:21:06] <JT-Shop> I like your answer better Andy
[23:21:12] <chille> haha
[23:21:19] <chille> what are the benefits from that?
[23:21:45] <JT-Shop> you get to spend lots of quality time at your computers getting it to work
[23:22:01] <chille> i'm trying to do everything automated, i just want to put the material in the laser cutter and push a button to run the program
[23:22:10] <chille> i don't want to load the files manually etc
[23:22:19] <chille> is a GUI-less installation the way to go?
[23:22:45] <JT-Shop> you have a different button for each file?
[23:22:48] <chille> i already have the creating of g code automated, so i have a flow where i get the files
[23:22:52] <andypugh> You could just not connect a monitor.
[23:23:49] <andypugh> I run my machines remotely sometimes, but I do that using ssh -X, so that there is a GUI, but it is displayed on my remote machine, not the EMC2 machine.
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[23:25:05] <andypugh> You can fairly easily allocate HAL buttons to G-code statements, and those G-code statements can be M100 - M199 codes which call bash scripts, for example.
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[23:25:39] <andypugh> pcw_home: How many bspi functions can you imagine putting in one firmware?
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[23:44:30] <JT-Shop> chille: ngcgui generates an auto.ngc file when it runs and you might look at how it is done
[23:45:14] <JT-Shop> so when it runs it loads the auto.ngc file into Axis and all you would need is the halui.run button
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[23:53:26] <frallzor> how sad, no ries nowadays?
[23:56:27] <chille> frallzor: O HAI!
[23:56:36] <chille> JT-Shop: okay, i'll take a look at that, thanks
[23:56:45] <frallzor> ello
[23:58:02] <JT-Shop> chille: it is on the forum
[23:58:17] * frallzor cuddles with JT-Shop
[23:58:29] <andypugh> Surely the eventual goal of everyone here is to have a fully working machine, a finished EMC2 and to spend all their time making things rather than chatting here?
[23:59:07] <JT-Shop> more than one actually
[23:59:25] <chille> i will have two also :)
[23:59:39] <chille> just now i only have 0.5 :(
[23:59:58] <JT-Shop> andypugh: I finally got the roof done on the new shop yesterday