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[01:09:25] <elmo40_> emcrules_d510mo: i just got home from my trip to Ottawa. Traveling sure does make you tired!
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[01:19:35] <i_tarzan> weather?
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[01:36:39] <Jymmm> jthornton: you around?
[01:37:34] <Jymmm> jthornton: You heard/know anything good/bad about electric motorcycles?
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[01:40:24] <Jymmm> jthornton: or "three wheel cars"
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[01:41:56] <Jymmm> http://wheels3.com/
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[02:48:49] <elmo40> cradek: you here? i am having an issue with compiling your ttt.
[02:49:00] <elmo40> freetype-config: not found
[02:49:14] <elmo40> i dont know where to get that.
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[02:53:31] <elmo40> i am using Debian Squeeze.
[03:11:06] <cradek> $ apt-file search freetype-config
[03:11:06] <cradek> libfreetype6-dev: /usr/bin/freetype-config
[03:11:06] <cradek> libfreetype6-dev: /usr/share/man/man1/freetype-config.1.gz
[03:11:31] <cradek> apt will answer questions like that for you
[03:11:56] <cradek> because of its awesomeness
[03:12:46] <elmo40> ;)
[03:13:16] <elmo40> on a side note... just doing some random cnc and automation looking, I came across this interesting sprocket python script: http://tim.cexx.org/?p=798
[03:15:08] <elmo40> cradek: another issue. main.cpp:92: error: ‘pow’ was not declared in this scope
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[03:15:50] <elmo40> sorry, wrong app, lol
[03:15:52] <cradek> main.cpp is not part of truetype-tracer
[03:16:11] <elmo40> i have been compiling a few apps today, that was another issue :P
[03:18:59] <elmo40> it works :)
[03:19:01] <elmo40> thank you
[03:19:31] <cradek> it was an easy one. welcome.
[03:24:35] <mikegg> is there a trick to get rigid tapping to work?
[03:24:53] <cradek> if you are having a problem, say what it is
[03:25:44] <mikegg> G33.1 toggles index-enable, but I don't get any z motion
[03:26:02] <elmo40> g98g83?
[03:26:02] <cradek> do you have an encoder hooked up to it?
[03:26:09] <mikegg> yeah
[03:26:21] <cradek> it must not be getting index
[03:26:47] <cradek> the encoder driver sets index-enable back to low, to say it has seen an index and done its reset
[03:26:50] <SWPadnos> an encoder with index is needed on the spindle
[03:26:59] <mikegg> check
[03:27:10] <SWPadnos> spindle at speed input?
[03:27:21] <mikegg> don't have that tied in...
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[03:27:37] <cradek> if index-enable stays high forever, your encoder is not correctly reporting index for whatever reason
[03:27:57] <mikegg> it just flips on for a sec
[03:28:04] <mikegg> index-enable that is
[03:28:15] <cradek> so it does go back to low?
[03:28:21] <mikegg> yeah
[03:28:28] <cradek> ok, then it is getting index
[03:28:48] <mikegg> wiat
[03:29:02] <cradek> so is it getting motion? does motion.spindle-pos increase by 1.0 for every turn of the spindle in the M3 direction?
[03:30:18] <mikegg> spindle-revs and spindle-speed-in are both changing
[03:30:30] <cradek> er right, spindle-revs
[03:30:37] <cradek> are they changing correctly?
[03:30:46] <cradek> (speed-in doesn't matter for g33.1)
[03:30:51] <cradek> spindle-revs definitely matters
[03:31:23] <mikegg> lemme check that
[03:32:15] <SWPadnos> cradek, isn't there a pause at the start of the first spindle sync move, while waiting for spindle-at-speed to become true?
[03:32:32] <cradek> yes, but that would be before requesting index reset
[03:32:40] <SWPadnos> ah, ok
[03:32:49] <mikegg> position is ~ 1 after one revolution
[03:33:12] <cradek> is it positive when turning in the M3 direction?
[03:33:53] <mikegg> oooh
[03:34:26] <mikegg> no
[03:35:13] <cradek> ain't gonna work then
[03:35:25] <mikegg> sweet!!!
[03:35:27] <mikegg> that was it
[03:35:49] <mikegg> how well does this work with a stepper on Z ?
[03:36:27] <mikegg> I was a little worried with the finite step angle and putting a cyclic stress on the tap
[03:36:29] <cradek> makes no difference, as long as it has enough vel and acc to follow correctly
[03:36:52] <cradek> if you calculate it you'll find it's extremely small
[03:36:58] <mikegg> cool
[03:37:35] <cradek> I tap 4-40 all the time (but with servos)
[03:37:51] <mikegg> awesome, thanks cradek
[03:42:20] <elmo40> latest stable is 2.4.5?
[03:42:24] <elmo40> from sf.net?
[03:42:38] <cradek> 2.4.6
[03:42:43] <elmo40> or is the GIT what i should use?
[03:42:46] <elmo40> ok.
[03:43:11] <cradek> (it's in the channel topic)
[03:43:25] <elmo40> so it is.
[03:44:01] <elmo40> but sf.net only has 2.4.5
[03:44:46] <cradek> someone didn't get it updated
[03:45:03] <cradek> you can get it from git if you don't use our packages from apt
[03:47:42] <Tom_L> ok i've got a silly question due to inexperience with it. on the 7i43 mesa card, what would i gain over driving steppers direct from the parport?
[03:48:04] <cradek> smoother step pulses, much higher maximum speed of pulses
[03:48:06] <Tom_L> better or faster step rates?
[03:48:25] <Tom_L> is it hard to configure it?
[03:48:57] <Tom_L> i presume it's optimized to work with emc
[03:48:58] <cradek> there's a sample config that probably just works except for setting scale/velocity/accel
[03:49:43] <Tom_L> do i need a daughter card for isolation or can it drive the stepper drivers directly?
[03:50:13] <cradek> I don't know - that probably depends on your drives
[03:50:22] <Tom_L> yea
[03:50:29] <cradek> you could compare the specs for your drives and the information in the 7i43 manual
[03:50:38] <mikegg> i'm driving my gecko directly
[03:50:46] <Tom_L> i don't have the specs on my drives is the problem
[03:50:47] <mikegg> they have opto-isolation built in
[03:50:55] <Tom_L> but they're standard input drivers
[03:51:09] <Tom_L> what geckos are you using?
[03:51:15] <Tom_L> they make nice stuff
[03:53:44] <mikegg> G201x
[03:53:48] <elmo40> is there no emc2-install.sh for Squeeze? :)
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[04:01:05] <elmo40> all i want on this machine is the emc-sim
[04:01:13] <elmo40> just doesnt seem to want to install
[04:02:08] <elmo40> s/install/run
[04:02:18] <elmo40> do i still need an RTAI for the sim to work?
[04:07:16] <cradek> no
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[04:29:20] <elmo40> http://www.extpaste.com/3359/
[04:29:21] <elmo40> my error
[04:29:47] <elmo40> it opens. i select any config. the splash screen loads... then it goes blank.
[04:30:11] <elmo40> i am off to bed. will deal with it again later. :)
[04:48:11] <seb_kuzminsky> elmo40: that's not a sim config
[04:48:39] <seb_kuzminsky> it's trying to load hal_parport, which is a realtime component, so it won't load in a sim environment
[04:48:45] <seb_kuzminsky> try one of the sim configs, like sim/axis
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[07:28:48] <psha> :)
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[08:20:32] <elmo40> seb_kuzminsky: same thing.
[08:23:14] <elmo40> ok, there is a Sample Configurations>Stepper>Sim_INCH. I tried that and it failed. It worked with Sample Configuration>Sim>(any of them).
[08:23:44] <elmo40> i wonder why it didnt work with the first one since it said sim_inch. Should that one still be there?
[08:24:36] <psha> elmo40: inches are deprecated since 1900 :-P
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[08:54:28] <HDB10> Hi psha, How are you doing ?
[08:57:28] <psha> fine
[08:57:39] <psha> preparing to holidays ;)
[08:58:27] <HDB10> I have a question for anyone: How to increment an axis in a while loop under hal ?
[08:58:58] <HDB10> psha, where are you heading for ?
[09:00:08] <psha> while loop under hal?!
[09:00:26] <psha> forest, celebrating end of winter :)
[09:01:04] <HDB10> OK, so you are not going to far from home I assume ?
[09:01:05] <psha> fights, snow castle siege and other brutal fun :)
[09:03:43] <HDB10> Yep I think it is possible as you can read the status of a bit under hal and then increment until the state changes.
[09:05:50] <psha> what language?
[09:06:03] <psha> HAL files don't have loops or any control flow
[09:06:14] <psha> in python/c/gcode/shell it's trivial
[09:06:43] <HDB10> You see I can't use touch off function with what I am attempting to and I thought I can do it in Python.
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[09:07:22] <psha> it's trivial - 'import hal' and go on
[09:07:30] <Duckie> hi, i looking for a puls kit (10V and pc pin) vellemankit for my spindel (CNC)
[09:08:17] <HDB10> Yes I known it's trivial but I don't know the syntax ?
[09:09:09] <psha> what syntax? python?
[09:09:50] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/p/fixedjog.py
[09:09:57] <psha> trivial python comp
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[09:16:48] <Duckie> hi, i looking for a puls kit (10V and pc pin) vellemankit for my spindel (CNC)
[09:17:06] <Duckie> the puls to give speed to my spindle (PWM i think)
[09:17:47] <Duckie> now i have some kit (that i make myself) but doesn't work good (very low speed)
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[12:32:16] <Duckie> hi, i looking for a puls kit (10V and pc pin) vellemankit for my spindel (CNC)
[12:32:17] <Duckie> the puls to give speed to my spindle (PWM i think)
[12:32:17] <Duckie> now i have some kit (that i make myself) but doesn't work good (very low speed)
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[12:37:36] <archivist> Duckie, you dont say what your actual problem is
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[12:50:38] <Duckie> looking for a kit ? site?
[12:57:48] <mrsunshine> haha now the mill is disassembled into its individual parts ... again
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[13:09:29] <Duckie> wel yeah sort of :)
[13:09:59] <Duckie> i mybeen i got the wrong condensator or restance ...
[13:10:18] <Duckie> better to buy, 1 part
[13:11:10] <archivist> iirc there is a circuit diagram on the wiki
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[13:14:49] <Duckie> link?
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[13:20:08] <archivist> Duckie, this teaches you some http://dev.emcelettronica.com/how-to-use-pwm-to-generate-analog-or-analogue-voltage-digital-circuits-part-2
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[13:28:29] <mrsunshine> huge project comming up ... squaring the mill ... was thinking to lay it down on the gibs or whatever its called, plane it on the underside, move it to the other side sitting on the planed feet, plane the holder for the Z axis to be true
[13:29:25] <mrsunshine> then make a new mount (its a super X1 mill) so that the thingie, put it in a mill or something, see to it that it follows to the thousands the gibs on the Z axis, plane off the side of the foot for the Z axis, mount :P
[13:29:32] <mrsunshine> sounds like a plan ? :P
[13:29:47] <atmega328> I've seen super X3, what's a super X1?
[13:30:02] <mrsunshine> atmega328, X1 with tiltable head
[13:30:17] <mrsunshine> stupid tilting is useless and makes everything not square :P
[13:30:26] <mrsunshine> http://www.hoelscher-hi.de/hendrik/light/demux/demux.gif Duckie thats what i was thinking of
[13:30:30] <mrsunshine> using for my vfd drive
[13:30:40] <mrsunshine> rc filter with voltage doubler
[13:31:01] <atmega328> I passed up an X2 for $500us the other day, with vise, collet set, tooling.
[13:31:08] <mrsunshine> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/imagecache/3335a0f4-8da4-4474-a22c-aeb93b78cf7f_255x400v2.jpg
[13:31:33] <mrsunshine> oh then put on the tables also and surface plane those also =)
[13:31:39] <mrsunshine> as the table is not true either :/
[13:32:22] <mrsunshine> oh well to the shop with the base plate for now atleast and talk to the people there =)
[13:33:56] <Duckie> mm ok (reading)
[13:35:29] <Duckie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl0KSHr5-VE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
[13:35:44] <Duckie> my machine (for school)
[13:37:34] <Duckie> where can i buy this for my spindle ( http://www.hoelscher-hi.de/hendrik/light/demux/demux.gif)
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[14:06:13] <awallin_> Duckie: most any op-amp will do for that circuit
[14:23:52] <JT-Shop> http://gnipsel.com/shop/unload-308/unload-308.xhtml
[14:25:09] <Duckie> i have that also, but my speed is very low
[14:25:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: playing with a new photo gallery?
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[14:26:51] <Duckie2> oeps i'm back (duckie=duckie2)
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[14:30:24] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: yea
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[14:32:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: cool. I made a photo gallery sorta like that a ways back, but you could view lots of thumbnails all at once, or 4-8, as well as very nice pagination
[14:34:39] <Jymmm> I think i spent almost more time on the pagination than I did on anything else. I wanted it to act a certain way no matter how many pages or how many thumbnails per page (horizontal or vertical).
[14:35:07] <JT-Shop> cool
[14:36:01] <Jymmm> Example: If it displayed 5 thumnails per page, the current photo was ALWAYS thumbnail #3 (in the middle), then is was easier to navigate or browse through them
[14:36:33] <Jymmm> I probably spent way too much time on it, but I like it =)
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[14:42:49] <JT-Shop> got a link?
[14:43:39] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Sorry no. I had to pull my server from the DC a ways back.
[14:45:56] <Duckie2> shop site?
[14:46:43] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLK0nsuPc4w
[14:55:40] <JT-Shop> alex_joni: cool
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[15:07:16] <alex_joni> IP65 on a welding equipment: http://www.zen40166.zen.co.uk/image006.jpg
[15:07:21] <alex_joni> http://www.zen40166.zen.co.uk/image005.jpg
[15:07:24] <alex_joni> http://www.zen40166.zen.co.uk/image007.jpg
[15:14:32] <JT-Shop> I like the one welding with no protection on galv pipe
[15:18:35] <Jymmm> Ouch (NSFW) http://www.zen40166.zen.co.uk/bbq.jpg
[15:20:35] <Jymmm> HOLY SHIT http://www.zen40166.zen.co.uk/kick.mpg
[15:22:48] <cradek> alex_joni: actually, I think that shows an admirable amount of resourcefulness
[15:24:44] <alex_joni> cradek: yeah, sometimes it's the only way to do tihngs
[15:24:57] <Jymmm> I'd chip in and buy the guy a real welder (and face shield)
[15:25:02] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.finelinestencil.com/
[15:25:16] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: http://www.finelinestencil.com/
[15:32:36] <mrsunshine> Duckie2, well i guess you build it and not buy it, its not a complicated circuit =)
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[15:44:57] <mrsunshine> http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/15/89/80/89/sdgsg10.jpg omg thats just scary =)
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[16:46:10] <Duckie2> but my teacher say i can by it (like a vellemandkit)
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[17:50:05] <Poincare> Duckie2: ac or dc spindle? and are you talking about spindle or servo?
[17:50:30] <Duckie2> dc spindel
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[17:50:58] <Duckie2> spindle
[17:51:35] <Duckie2> dc servo motor super R
[17:52:06] <Poincare> why would you want to convert it to a variable dc source?
[17:56:25] <atmega328> 0-10vdc for spindle speed control?
[17:56:32] <Duckie2> yes
[17:57:37] <Duckie2> @<Poincare> because it is there now.
[17:58:17] <Poincare> Duckie2: al you need is a power transistor, a transistor and a protection diode
[17:58:38] <Poincare> Duckie2: and your original power supply for the spindle
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[17:58:57] <Poincare> the 2nd transistor should be resistor
[18:00:39] <Duckie2> ok can i buy that kit-hardware
[18:01:03] <Poincare> no
[18:01:21] <Poincare> from where are you / which school?
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[18:02:18] <Duckie2> Belguim university high school
[18:02:54] <Poincare> I already narrowed it down to .be ...
[18:03:10] <Poincare> which school exactly?
[18:03:21] <Duckie2> why?
[18:04:11] <Poincare> if its one I know I could tell you whom to ask for help
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[18:05:25] <Duckie2> you not a theachor? form BE
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[18:06:59] <Poincare> not anyymore
[18:07:20] <Duckie2> from belguim?
[18:08:45] <Poincare> from Flanders if you ask me...
[18:09:33] <Duckie2> ah je spreek nederlands :D
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[18:19:09] <Duckie2> @Poincare i can tell you from antwerpen (so you kow wish school start with letter A)
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[18:25:06] <Poincare> paardemarkt
[18:25:56] <Duckie2> oooo no how are you?
[18:27:22] <Poincare> you should find someone in the top 2 floors of the D building
[18:27:42] <Duckie2> ah :D
[18:27:59] <Poincare> you're going for a bachelor or master degree?
[18:28:14] <Duckie2> ba
[18:28:47] <Poincare> and you're are in which year now?
[18:29:06] <mk0> he should say now dabudaba!
[18:29:09] <mk0> :D
[18:29:19] <Duckie2> you are now looking who i'm :p
[18:29:57] <Duckie2> are you R... g... or M. ma... or
[18:30:31] <Poincare> Duckie2: no, I would't know how to get student information for that school
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[18:30:55] <Duckie2> ok 3de year
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[18:31:42] <danimal_garage> hi
[18:31:47] <Poincare> didn't you get any electronics then? you should be able to solve this on your own...
[18:32:16] <Duckie2> yes , but the speed is verly low (spindle)
[18:32:37] <Duckie2> and it give 3.5V max but it must be 10V
[18:32:53] <Duckie2> for max speed
[18:32:55] <Poincare> what is 'it'?
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[18:33:37] <IchGuckLive> hi all out of the dark Germany
[18:33:47] <Duckie2> it= my own kit (transitor, weerstand kit)(puls tegeven aan de spindel)
[18:34:09] <Poincare> got a schematic of it online?
[18:34:38] <Duckie2> ah can send it (wait 1 min)
[18:34:56] <danimal_garage> you don't need 10v, you can set the scale so the max speed is at 3.5v
[18:35:42] <IchGuckLive> to all in the USA Astronauts live outside the Iss -> http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/nasa-hd-tv
[18:35:54] <danimal_garage> ugh, i hate trying to connect new loc-line without the tool
[18:36:21] <Duckie2> but my teacher say it must be 10V and the Voltage must not go to the parrall pin (PC pin)
[18:36:52] <IchGuckLive> use a optocoppler
[18:37:32] <danimal_garage> yea
[18:38:57] <Duckie2> yes i got a optocoppler
[18:39:23] <IchGuckLive> there are low cost 5USD LPT optocoppler cards out
[18:40:06] <IchGuckLive> with a 10USD card there all out and in as well as the GND coppled out
[18:40:19] <Poincare> It would be easier to discuss Duckie2's problem if he had his schematics online...
[18:40:36] <Duckie2> wait send a link schema (uploading..)
[18:40:57] <Duckie2> + picture now (my kit + dutch tekst what...)
[18:41:54] <Poincare> are you working on that 5 axis machine?
[18:42:31] <IchGuckLive> 5axis is cool
[18:43:11] <Duckie2> 3axi
[18:43:19] <IchGuckLive> there are now chinese TB6560 5axis systems out for 65Euros with full lpt uncoppling includet and 3.5A step phase
[18:43:46] <Duckie2> http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/duckie-hkf/1.png
[18:44:03] <Duckie2> http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/duckie-hkf/3.png
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[18:46:34] <Poincare> Duckie2: your spindle is connected to X1/X2?
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[18:48:15] <Duckie2> euu mmm
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[18:49:38] <Poincare> you made it, so you should know it
[18:49:39] <mrsunshine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDXzvEXgQnc&NR=1 <-- wth ... the material moves out of the spindle while spinning and drilling? :)
[18:50:08] <awallin_> 'swiss' type lathe
[18:50:16] <Duckie2> i got 3 whire (black nummer5 and black nummer 7 and whit) X3
[18:50:35] <Duckie2> ooo is seeX2
[18:50:39] <awallin_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathe_%28metal%29#Swiss-style_lathe_.2F_Swiss_turning_center
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[18:50:41] <Duckie2> X2 1.9
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[18:51:32] <mrsunshine> awallin, cool =)
[18:51:42] <mrsunshine> not at all stupid when you see why =)
[18:52:03] <Poincare> and are you connecting the spindle itself or a drive circuit for the spindle?
[18:52:43] <Duckie2> drive circuit
[18:53:52] <Poincare> ah! you didnt tell that before
[18:54:49] <Poincare> X3 is connected to...?
[18:56:05] <Duckie2> 10V limit
[18:56:17] <Poincare> limit?
[18:56:26] <Poincare> or 10V source?
[18:56:44] <Duckie2> wait send picture 2
[18:57:10] <Duckie2> http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/ss205/duckie-hkf/2.png
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[18:58:33] <mrsunshine> yeey, got some time tomorrow to try and square the mill out some =)
[18:58:41] <Poincare> so X3 is connected to 10v source
[18:58:50] <mrsunshine> stupid chinese people has done very stupid stuff, gonna take the camera with me and document them :P
[18:58:55] <Poincare> I limit is set to the highest value
[18:59:27] <Duckie2> yes
[19:03:34] <mrsunshine> hmm, i wonder how to do it, maybe weld the column to a thick plate ...
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[19:03:51] <Poincare> R2/C1 node should not be connected to PE but to the common on the controller
[19:03:59] <mrsunshine> then see to it to get that square against the guide thingies
[19:05:41] <mrsunshine> but, i wonder if the column is of casted steel ...
[19:05:44] <mrsunshine> i think it is :/
[19:05:49] <mrsunshine> and that would suck for me =)
[19:05:53] <Duckie2> mmm..
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[19:15:58] <mrsunshine> anyone have a sieg X1 mill ? :)
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[20:30:31] <Tom_itx> cpresser_ you around?
[20:30:50] <cpresser_> yes, now I am here
[20:31:48] <Tom_itx> i made up a new batch of programmers over the weekend if you're still interested
[20:32:03] <Tom_itx> you wanted me to advise you iirc
[20:32:27] <cpresser_> yes. ty. ill order soon :)
[20:32:35] <Tom_itx> np
[20:39:01] <tom3p> I'm testing some boards using pports, hal & pyvcp to drive inputs of PS9631 optos.
[20:39:14] <tom3p> Opto inputs looked fine on scope, but outputs driving 74240's were flaky or non-responsive.
[20:39:32] <tom3p> I checked by using a 5V wallwart and a handheld pulser to drive the opto inputs, this is perfect.
[20:39:39] <tom3p> So I figure to use an driver as 'boost', maybe a ULN2903 ?
[20:39:40] <tom3p> Any suggestions? whats been tried for 'weak' parport drives?
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[20:41:46] <cpresser_> tom3p: a 74LS06 sould do.
[20:42:26] <cpresser_> it has open-collector output, so you are able to put in strong (low resistance) pullups
[20:42:36] <cpresser_> (never tried bevore)
[20:42:42] <cradek> you mean parport driving just a 74240 is flaky?
[20:43:08] <tom3p> yep
[20:43:23] <cpresser_> ? i thought you were using opto-couplers?
[20:43:24] <tom3p> well, no it drives the optos that drive the 7420
[20:43:34] <tom3p> 74240
[20:44:19] <cradek> how about drive the 74240 and then the optos? 74LS240 needs only 2v for high level input
[20:45:16] <tom3p> repairing ttl driven boards using hal & parport & pyvcp, cant redesign the boards
[20:45:53] <cradek> you probably need to buffer your weak parport with something - that's what cnc breakout boards do (also often translate to 5v)
[20:46:19] <tom3p> yeh, was wondering what was used for the buffers
[20:46:46] <cradek> ah - not sure - I suppose there are lots of ways
[20:47:04] <mozmck> 74xx541
[20:47:39] <tom3p> teh scope sez the inputs always trigger, but the outputs didnt, so i thought i'd beef up the signal, since forcing it with pulser was reliable
[20:47:41] <tom3p> thx
[20:48:18] <cradek> mozmck would know :-)
[20:48:28] <mozmck> :)
[20:49:10] <mozmck> What kind of programmers are these?
[20:49:15] <tom3p> mozmck, thanks that even looks like the old sprague drivers ( uld udn )
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[20:51:24] <tom3p> these old boards have loads of parts that are out of production
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[21:34:38] <mrsunshine> gah what are the face grinding machines called realy ?
[21:34:45] <mrsunshine> searching "face grinder" doesnt give much :P
[21:39:06] <kirk_wallace> I have a bone head question. I get "error: stdio.h: No such file or directory" when I try to compile a userspace comp with "#include <stdio.h>" in it. A common response is to "sudo apt-get install build-essential" but I found stdio.h in the standard spot, /usr/include, so the apt-get didn't work. Any ideas?
[21:42:30] <kirk_wallace> mrsunshine: do you mean "surface grinder"?
[21:42:44] <mrsunshine> ye :P
[21:42:47] <cradek> kirk_wallace: what's your comp command line?
[21:43:08] <kirk_wallace> comp --install homann_modio.c
[21:43:28] <cradek> maybe you need --userspace
[21:43:41] <kirk_wallace> Doooh
[21:44:12] <cradek> stdio makes no sense in realtime land
[21:44:15] <cradek> I didn't try it, though
[21:45:19] <kirk_wallace> I did
[21:45:39] <cradek> did that do it?
[21:46:23] <kirk_wallace> kwallace@emc2-5:~/emc2$ comp --userspace homann_modio.c
[21:46:24] <kirk_wallace> Unrecognized file type for mode preprocess: 'homann_modio.c'
[21:47:15] <cradek> is it a .comp or a .c?
[21:49:47] <kirk_wallace> It's a .c at http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/EMC2/modbus/homann_modio.c
[21:50:15] <cradek> Compile .comp and .c files into HAL userspace components (the --compile --userspace flag)
[21:50:20] <cradek> (from comp manpage)
[21:50:25] <cradek> have you tried that combination?
[21:51:27] <kirk_wallace> Getting better /tmp/tmprydi2T/homann_modio.c:66:20: error: modbus.h: No such file or directory
[21:51:27] <kirk_wallace> /tmp/tmprydi2T/homann_modio.c:119: error: expected ‘:’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘}’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘hal_s32_t’
[21:51:51] <SWPadnos> that doesn't look right
[21:51:52] <cradek> sorry, I have no idea where you're supposed to have found modbus.h
[21:52:14] <kirk_wallace> I forgot to copy modbus.h to my local directory.
[21:52:15] <SWPadnos> hal/user_comps (or however that's spelled)
[21:52:16] <cradek> and I agree there's a missing ; on 117
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[22:03:08] <kirk_wallace> cradek: I copied modbus.c and .h to /usr/include, and I'm down to 10 errors, so I'm almost there. If only I had a nickel for every missing ";" . Thanks.
[22:06:18] <psha> kirk_wallace: /usr/include is definitely not a place for modbus.c. Why not to place it next to your file in local dir?
[22:08:58] <kirk_wallace> psha: I did, but I got an error that modbus.h could not be found, so I copied both .c and .h to /usr/include. The error went away, but I suppose I should fix the modbus.h error the proper way.
[22:09:24] <psha> you have #include <modbus.h> or "modbus.h"?
[22:09:55] <psha> also you have userspace comp?
[22:11:02] <psha> also you may pass extra compile flags to userspace build
[22:11:07] <kirk_wallace> modbus.c has '#include "modbus.h"' in it. My comp is a userspace comp, homann_modio.c .
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[22:12:37] <psha> and how you get modbus.c in your build?
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[22:13:28] <psha> ah, found link
[22:16:02] <KimK> mrsunshine: Blanchard grinders?
[22:16:32] <kirk_wallace> I'm just tweaking gs2_vfd.c to get what I want.
[22:16:37] <kirk_wallace> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=blob;f=src/hal/user_comps/gs2_vfd.c;h=17ed97b78e681c673ab768eb2e0e62bb0b7daf73;hb=e0fbe2669c1bc7b320b738f72ee15abe868aa5a9
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[22:19:58] <psha> kirk_wallace: really there is no way to pass extra compile flags
[22:20:03] <psha> except option in .comp file
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[22:24:49] <psha> which is wierd...
[22:25:07] <psha> also it's possible to tweak it in Makefile.modinc but it's overkill too
[22:25:24] <kirk_wallace> psha: I'm not sure what you mean. If I had a .comp instead of .c, I could add an option to homann.comp to find mobus.c and .h locally?
[22:28:47] <psha> yes
[22:29:33] <psha> it's possible to add extra options in .comp files and among others there are extra_compile_args and extra_link_args
[22:29:58] <psha> both are passed verbatim to build command
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[22:30:29] <psha> so you may add -Isome-dir in compile and -lmodbus (or something else) in link args
[22:30:50] <psha> but that's dumb - hardcoding include paths in .comp
[22:31:02] <psha> it's really strange that there is no way to pass them from command line
[22:35:16] <psha> bb, night here
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[22:35:51] <kirk_wallace> psha: Goodnight, thanks for your help.
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[22:38:51] <elmo40> emcrules_d510mo: how is the D510?
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[22:44:02] <kirk_wallace> Now I get "/tmp/tmpAeFux6/homann_modio.c:236: undefined reference to `read_holding_registers'" ,but shouldn't this function be declared in modbus.c or .h?
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[23:02:17] <kirk_wallace> Oops. my.c calls modbus.h and modbus.c calls modbus.h, I changed my.c to call modbus.c instead, then modbus.c calls modbus.h, as it should. Down to one error now.
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[23:03:14] <kirk_wallace> "/usr/include/modbus.c:34:18: error: glib.h: No such file or directory"
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[23:06:28] <danimal_garage> hey, the (AXIS, stop) finally works right now
[23:06:42] <danimal_garage> is that new to 2.4 or 2.5?
[23:06:57] <danimal_garage> it was kinda flakey with 2.3
[23:07:41] <elmo40> axis stop?
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[23:08:08] <danimal_garage> it stops the display of the toolpaths in AXIS
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[23:12:32] <emcrules_d510mo> elmo40, did you want to pick up that pendant today?
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[23:35:32] <emcrules_d510mo> Can some make sense of this trace for me ? http://codepaste.net/pdkrqy
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[23:36:23] <kirk_wallace> I need to know what I need to know about glib.h. I'm trying to compile a C comp file, but I got "missing glib.h", so I installed libgtk---- an now have /usr/include/glib-1.2/glib.h. modbus.c still could not find it so I changed modbus.c's "#include <glib.h>" to "#include <glib-1.2/glib.h>". Now I have a lot more files that cannot be found. Any ideas?
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[23:46:36] <emcrules_d510mo> Kirk_wallace, How are you compiling it I was getting the same type of errors trying to compile a "usercomp.c" using comp.(i was told thats the wrong way to compile a c file) Then I just ran "make" from ~/emc2-dev/src and all my problems went away
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[23:47:37] <kirk_wallace> comp --comp --userspace homann_modio.c
[23:49:24] <kirk_wallace> I don't have a make file. I guess it is up to me to create one, but I never made one. Maybe I can use the one in ~/emc2-dev/src as guide? Thanks.
[23:54:33] <emcrules_d510mo> Kirk_wallace, This is where i went to understand make files http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/make.html#Rule-Example
[23:56:24] <kirk_wallace> Ooh, that has a lot of words:(
[23:57:03] <emcrules_d510mo> lol , I know painful, but worth it
[23:59:23] <elmo40> emcrules_d510mo: trying to compile emc?