#emc | Logs for 2011-02-27

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[00:40:30] <Guest272> hello..
[00:41:01] <Guest272> i just got setup with a fireball V90 and i am running EMC2
[00:42:24] <Guest272> in the stepper cofig wizard when i test the motors they give me real meassurements but when i run a gcode on the machine its always alot smaller why ?
[00:42:42] <Guest272> need help please ....
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[01:16:05] <Guest272> can anybody help me please....
[01:18:56] <atmega328> is the gcode in the proper units?
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[01:37:43] <Guest272> i was trying the the sample codes in the EMC2 software
[01:38:09] <Guest272> so i am not sure
[01:38:38] <Guest272> but its not only the gcode it does it even when i am manualy jogging
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[02:03:00] <cradek> Guest272: how much is it off?
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[02:32:33] <kb8wmc> cradek: I like your newest LISP app...
[02:32:48] <kb8wmc> tnx
[02:32:54] <cradek> welcome
[02:33:14] <cradek> glad the improvements helped you
[02:33:35] <kb8wmc> haven't used them yet, but may have the opportunity tomorrow
[02:33:52] <kb8wmc> just the peck though
[02:38:39] <kb8wmc> for the purposes I have in mind, at least right now, Realize provides all the functionality I need
[02:40:20] <cradek> cool.
[02:42:26] <cradek> I think it's super useful - too bad it requires nonfree autocad
[02:43:49] <kb8wmc> yeah, that is a drawback, I have a single seat of ACAD 2000, and I am so familiar with it, I have a difficult time breaking away from it to become comfortable with other CAD software
[03:04:45] <atmega328> draftsight seems to be almost identical to autocad (for 2d anyway)
[03:05:10] <atmega328> no autolisp though
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[03:59:25] <Guest320> Hi. Trying to install emc2 using the shell script, but it says it cannot be located. Anyone know offhand what gives?
[04:00:49] <Guest320> "Package emc2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package emc2 has no installation candidate "
[04:01:10] <seb_kuzminsky> hi Guest320
[04:01:41] <seb_kuzminsky> what procedure are you following (link pls), and what steps of it have you done so far?
[04:02:50] <Guest320> step 1.2 from http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_10_04_using_precompiled_EMC2_packages
[04:04:07] <Guest320> I had the same results a few weeks ago. i'm on a netbook, so the os install was through windows/livecd
[04:04:24] <Guest320> ...but that did not insall emc2
[04:04:44] <seb_kuzminsky> so you installed using the stock Ubuntu 10.04 32-bit install CD, not the Linuxcnc LiveCD that includes emc2, right?
[04:05:05] <Guest320> ill check...
[04:06:12] <Guest320> i downloaded the iso from the homepage, and used winrar to extract the contents.
[04:06:40] <seb_kuzminsky> you installed using the linuxcnc emc2 livecd?
[04:07:32] <Guest320> ...ran wubi or whatever it was called idk i'd have to book into windows to get the name. let me see if it is still in thios flash drive...
[04:07:57] <seb_kuzminsky> are you booted into your lucid install right now?
[04:08:02] <Guest320> yes
[04:08:06] <seb_kuzminsky> ok cool
[04:08:37] <seb_kuzminsky> try this: grep -ir linuxcnc /etc/apt
[04:08:38] <Guest320> is there a repository name i can enter?
[04:08:43] <Guest320> ok
[04:09:53] <Guest320> done
[04:10:16] <seb_kuzminsky> was there any output?
[04:10:46] <Guest320> grep: /etc/apt/secring.gpg: Permission denied grep: /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg: Permission denied /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc.list:deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2 lucid base emc2.4 /etc/apt/sources.list.d/linuxcnc.list:deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2 lucid base emc2.4 Binary file /etc/apt/trusted.gpg matches
[04:11:05] <seb_kuzminsky> ok that looks good
[04:11:15] <seb_kuzminsky> it knows about the linuxcnc.org package archive
[04:11:29] <seb_kuzminsky> now run this: sudo apt-get update
[04:11:41] <seb_kuzminsky> that will fetch the list of packages from all the package archives
[04:12:20] <Guest320> i'm familiar with it. done.
[04:12:47] <seb_kuzminsky> no errors there? then run "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:13:28] <Guest320> zero errors
[04:14:06] <Guest320> first thing i did was an upgrade
[04:14:45] <seb_kuzminsky> dpkg -s emc2?
[04:15:33] <Guest320> not installed / no info
[04:16:02] <seb_kuzminsky> and "apt-get install emc2" is what gives you the error you first asked about?
[04:16:55] <Guest320> no, the shell script install method. I will try the out and out apt get...
[04:17:29] <Guest320> same error tho'
[04:17:47] <seb_kuzminsky> if you installed using the linuxcnc livecd, you don't need to run the lucid-install script
[04:18:10] <seb_kuzminsky> the lucid-install script is only for if you installed the non-emc2, non-linuxcnc, "regular" lucid from Canonical
[04:18:13] <Guest320> thats what i would think\
[04:18:51] <seb_kuzminsky> something's not right here
[04:19:00] <Guest320> lemme uname -r
[04:19:13] <seb_kuzminsky> you have linuxcnc.org in your sources.list, you've run apt-get update, but it still can't find emc2.deb
[04:19:20] <Guest320> 2.6.32-28-generic
[04:19:34] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah that's wrong
[04:19:36] <Guest320> its 3 weeks ago all over...
[04:19:46] <seb_kuzminsky> that's not the kernel from the linuxcnc livecd
[04:20:05] <Guest320> I just d/l it today so idk
[04:20:12] <seb_kuzminsky> did you install the linuxcnc livecd on top of an existing lucid install?
[04:20:26] <Guest320> ubuntu netbook
[04:20:37] <seb_kuzminsky> that might be the problem
[04:20:42] <Guest320> lets simplify things....
[04:20:55] <seb_kuzminsky> so you have a netbook with a windows partition and a lucid partition, right?
[04:21:01] <Guest320> yes
[04:21:16] <Guest320> willing to wipe the lucid and try again
[04:21:21] <seb_kuzminsky> netbooks will most likely perform terribly with emc2 - they usually have bad latency issues
[04:21:28] <Guest320> but install media is the issue
[04:21:33] <seb_kuzminsky> agreed
[04:21:41] <Guest320> i understand the lat issued
[04:21:43] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm just saying, after you get it installed it will probably work poorly
[04:21:48] <seb_kuzminsky> ok that's fine then
[04:22:17] <seb_kuzminsky> uhm, does it have a parallel port? are you planning to drive an actual machine with it, or do you just want to see what emc2 looks like?
[04:22:22] <Guest320> i know. testing for some stuff at work. the 3 axis mill has a choice of 3 computers later
[04:22:31] <seb_kuzminsky> hm, ok
[04:22:37] <Guest320> i've used it b4
[04:22:52] <Guest320> i may try a usb->parallel converter
[04:22:52] <seb_kuzminsky> and it has no cdrom drive, i guess
[04:22:56] <seb_kuzminsky> that won't work
[04:22:57] <Guest320> nocd
[04:23:09] <Guest320> then for show :)
[04:23:20] <seb_kuzminsky> do you have a usb enclosure with a cdrom drive in it by any chance? that'd probably be easiest
[04:23:28] <seb_kuzminsky> easier than messing with the windows-hosted installer
[04:23:41] <Guest320> almost bought one, how about a usb stick
[04:23:50] <Guest320> 4gb
[04:24:04] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont know if you can put the linuxcnc livecd iso on the usbstick and boot that
[04:24:07] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe? i dont know!
[04:24:24] <Guest320> would need to be bootable
[04:24:35] <seb_kuzminsky> the livecd is certainly bootable
[04:24:56] <Guest320> net?
[04:25:04] <seb_kuzminsky> i've never used wubi(?) - can you give it an iso to install from or does it need something special?
[04:25:17] <Guest320> came on the iso
[04:25:33] <seb_kuzminsky> what?
[04:25:56] <Guest320> the wubi thing... hold on...
[04:26:42] <Guest320> its just a windows ubuntu installer
[04:26:49] <seb_kuzminsky> oh i see, wubi is on the linuxcnc livecd, and it lets you install it from windows
[04:26:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm a bit slow, and i suck at windows
[04:27:04] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, here's what i would do then
[04:27:44] <Guest320> hack into the ide bus on the netbook?!
[04:27:57] <Guest320> im in!
[04:28:01] <seb_kuzminsky> boot back to windows, use wubi to wipe the existing lucid partition, install fresh from the linuxcnc livecd
[04:29:10] <Guest320> will do. i'll get back to you when it works. my name is jeff btw in chicago
[04:29:20] <seb_kuzminsky> cool, welcome jeff!
[04:29:33] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm seb in boulder, colorado
[04:30:34] <Guest320> ttys
[04:31:11] <Guest320> im gunna try the bootable live cd usb install btw
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[04:35:12] <Valen> you should be able to install from usb
[04:35:28] <seb_kuzminsky> do you just dd the iso to the usb stick?
[04:40:21] <seb_kuzminsky> anyone want to explain the use of a reversible tapping head to me? oh wait it's saturday night and all nerdy machinists are out partying
[04:53:36] <Tom_itx> what about it/
[04:53:38] <Tom_itx> ?
[04:53:50] <Tom_itx> it has a trip arm and kicks it into reverse
[04:53:56] <Tom_itx> or double speeds to back out
[04:54:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm pretty sure it's the hr-2 model in this catalog: http://www.imitoolsindia.com/images/pdf/reversible_tapping_attachments.pdf
[04:55:25] <seb_kuzminsky> "A planetary gear reversin mechanism transmits smooth positive reverse to the tap retraction ant it retracts 75% more faster than it enters."
[04:55:38] <seb_kuzminsky> so feed-out is 1.75x feed-in
[04:55:47] <Tom_itx> it must have an adjustment at the top for the depth
[04:56:01] <Tom_itx> that trips the internal mechanism to back out
[04:56:14] <seb_kuzminsky> it's got a torque adjustment (i think) at the top
[04:56:15] <Tom_itx> the ones i'm familiar with were for lathes
[04:56:20] <Tom_itx> same principle
[04:56:44] <seb_kuzminsky> you screw the tap into the pre-drilled hole, then pull the spindle up and it shifts into neutral and then 1.75x reverse
[04:57:03] <Tom_itx> you want to start shallow when setting it up
[04:57:19] <seb_kuzminsky> start tapping shallow holes?
[04:57:23] <Tom_itx> no
[04:57:36] <Tom_itx> start backing out early until you have it to the depth you want
[04:57:48] <Tom_itx> or it'll bottom out and break the tap
[04:57:59] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, right
[04:58:11] <Tom_itx> they work good
[04:58:21] <Tom_itx> if you're tapping hard materials use tap lube
[04:58:25] <Tom_itx> or alum etc
[04:58:40] <Tom_itx> it's thick like honey
[04:58:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i can't tap a hole, pull out, then re-enter the same hole with the tap - it doesn't orient the tap at all
[04:58:52] <Tom_itx> nope
[04:59:12] <Tom_itx> unless the spindle has a timing encoder etc
[04:59:16] <Tom_itx> to follow the workpiece
[04:59:17] <seb_kuzminsky> it's got an arm sticking out at the bottom of the mechanism, i think i need to hold that still while the spindle turns the tapping head
[05:00:10] <Tom_itx> they work good
[05:00:14] <Tom_itx> once they're set
[05:00:38] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the feed rate needs to be matched to the pitch of the tap and the spindle speed
[05:01:05] <Tom_itx> some have a spring loaded head so the tap will pop out a bit
[05:01:10] <seb_kuzminsky> and i think the tapping head has "axial float" so if i'm off on the spindle speed a bit, it won't be catastrophic
[05:01:11] <Tom_itx> but you want it close
[05:01:18] <Tom_itx> yes
[05:01:20] <seb_kuzminsky> right
[05:01:46] <Tom_itx> it's better to under feed it than over feed it
[05:01:51] <Tom_itx> it'll push the tap if you do
[05:02:10] <seb_kuzminsky> it'll force the tap to turn faster to catch up?
[05:02:45] <Tom_itx> the ones i'm used to were used on a lathe where the spindle kept turning and the tap came in at a greater rpm to the work
[05:02:55] <Tom_itx> slightly different but the same idea
[05:03:24] <Tom_itx> i had one that did a reverse double lead thread on a bar machine
[05:05:37] <seb_kuzminsky> for a 4-40 thread (hss tap in Al): 500 revs/minute / 40 threads/inch = 12.5 inches/minute feed?
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[05:06:55] <Tom_itx> sounds right
[05:07:05] <Tom_itx> you'll have fun with those small threads
[05:07:13] <seb_kuzminsky> all i have is hand taps, straight flute
[05:07:24] <seb_kuzminsky> should i spin one up or wait for the gun taps to come in?
[05:07:41] <Tom_itx> use the tap lube for sure
[05:07:51] <Tom_itx> that small in aluminum will gauld up quick
[05:08:30] <Tom_itx> you can do it, we did some 2/56 but it's gotta be right
[05:09:05] <Tom_itx> #43 drill
[05:09:16] <Tom_itx> for the 4-40
[05:09:21] <seb_kuzminsky> yep
[05:10:05] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe i'll start in acrylic...
[05:10:17] <Tom_itx> it's just as bad if not worse
[05:10:23] <seb_kuzminsky> hm
[05:10:23] <Tom_itx> it'll melt and make a big mess
[05:10:27] <Tom_itx> if it gets hot
[05:10:31] <Tom_itx> and it will
[05:10:46] <Tom_itx> i've broken taps in it before :D
[05:10:47] <seb_kuzminsky> i've had good luck with wd-40 as a cutting fluid to keep acrylic cool
[05:10:57] <seb_kuzminsky> never tried to power tap it though
[05:11:05] <Tom_itx> don't use that for taps
[05:11:25] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i have some real tapping fluid around here somewhere
[05:11:35] <Tom_itx> tapping oil works alot better than anything else i've seen
[05:12:00] <Tom_itx> we were doing some stainless and having alot of trouble until we started using it
[05:12:39] <Tom_itx> ok i gotta get these boards done
[05:12:54] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks tom
[05:13:03] <Tom_itx> i'm still here but working
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[07:15:22] <jeff-g> hi seb its jeff from b4. It's not worth the effort.
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[07:17:17] <jeff-g> the whole install on netbook thing. Curious to know anyone's thoughts on a epia and cf based machine
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[12:28:19] <mrsunshine> yeey used the mill today with the new spindle =)
[12:28:26] <mrsunshine> tho in plastic so cant realy see any performance diff :P
[12:28:45] <mrsunshine> but it isnt vibrating as much now for some reason as it did before
[12:31:36] <jthornton> YEA! I just soldered a SOIC package MAX6675 to my proto board
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[12:41:37] <theorbtwo> mrsunshine: Yey!
[12:41:39] <theorbtwo> jthornton: Yey!
[12:41:44] <mrsunshine> :P
[12:43:49] <psha> jthornton: hey, what are you doing here! go up on the roof!
[12:44:11] <jthornton> psha: it is still dark here :)
[12:47:57] <psha> so you have time to pick enought roofing materials from adjacent roofs!
[12:48:59] <jthornton> the only adjacent roofs are mine :P I live out in the woods on a dead end dirt road off of a dirt road
[12:49:23] <mrsunshine> i heard you like dirt roads so i put a dirt road on your dirt road?
[12:50:02] <psha> so you may use greensward for roofing!
[12:50:21] <jthornton> greensward?
[12:50:30] <psha> don't know exact english word
[12:50:32] <mrsunshine> gah i want to go down and mill more ... :P
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[12:50:38] <mrsunshine> tho i have no good materials to mill in :/
[12:50:54] <psha> thin top ground layer with grass
[12:51:13] <psha> cut from ground and used as roofing material in older times
[12:51:19] <jthornton> ah a sod roof
[12:51:40] <psha> looks like
[12:52:49] <psha> ~5 years ago i was fixing roof in a village and we used adjacent house as source of roofing ;)
[12:53:27] <psha> but it was abandoned for years and not only roof was broken but even walls were already non vertical
[12:54:45] <jthornton> that's being resourceful and recycling which is good
[12:55:35] <mrsunshine> sucks that plexiglass is so expensive =)
[12:55:42] <mrsunshine> kinda nice to build stuff in when you can see the insides :P
[12:59:14] <mrsunshine> hmm, maybe should find the carbide cutter and try that in plastic, how is carbide for plastic? :P
[13:00:08] <jthornton> anything is fine for plastic so long as it is razor sharp and you feed real fast to avoid heat build up
[13:00:39] <jthornton> one flute cutters are best as you can remove a big chip
[13:00:42] <mrsunshine> well the carbide cutters should be ALOT sharper then my old abused ones :P
[13:01:10] <mrsunshine> jthornton, the carbide is made for aluminium is razor sharp but not 1 flute .. :/
[13:01:14] <jthornton> a cutter for aluminum is the next best to one designed for plastic
[13:01:23] <jthornton> 2 flutes?
[13:01:35] <mrsunshine> its 3...
[13:01:50] <mrsunshine> atleast it said alu :P
[13:01:53] <mrsunshine> dont know if its right :P
[13:02:00] <mk0> does backlash take into account direction? or changing direction.
[13:02:15] <jthornton> if it don't gum up your good to go
[13:02:23] <mrsunshine> For Cutting of Aluminium. Helix Angle 55 Degree. Sizes 3mm to 12mm
[13:02:51] <jthornton> mk0: yes
[13:03:11] <mk0> wow!
[13:03:16] <mk0> thanks
[13:03:16] <jthornton> https://www.onsrud.com/
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[13:42:16] <mrsun> woohoo, alot nicer cut with the carbide, tho it doent get the chips away good enough, or im at to high rpm or something =)
[13:42:54] <mrsun> very snug fit, tho one part got a bit low (didnt measure distances etc more then by eye so :P just have to clean that up a bit and my opto rpm reader is well on its way =)
[13:44:04] <jthornton> if the chips are melting back increase feed and decrease rpm also an air blast helps
[13:44:30] <mrsun> JT-Shop, dont know realy if i would call it melted either =)
[13:44:55] <mrsun> got a feed at 1024 mm/min and an rpm (calculated not tested yet) of about 4k :P
[13:46:21] <mrsun> according to gwizard i should have about 1300 mm/in with 4k rpm in plastic
[13:48:50] <jthornton> if they are just getting stuck with static the air helps with that
[13:50:34] <psha> anyone with radeon video card and rtai kernel?
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[13:56:16] <mrsun> ough, following gwizards recomendation milling one of these pieces would take a week :P
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[14:13:02] <awallin> buy a faster machine? :)
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[16:26:43] <mrsunshine> hmm, i wonder if i should make myself a preasure air cooling system :P
[16:26:52] <mrsunshine> tho, chips fly around so much with stuff liket hat :P
[16:27:25] <Tom_itx> mist
[16:27:35] <mrsunshine> but how to make the mist
[16:27:42] <Tom_itx> buy one
[16:28:04] <mrsunshine> just a ziphon effect?=
[16:28:12] <mrsunshine> got a dieselburner i built that way
[16:28:13] <mrsunshine> :P
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[16:29:59] <mrsunshine> tho i have nothing that can catch the water, so would have to build that also :P
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[16:33:17] <Tom_L> http://www.cartertools.com/sprakool.html
[16:35:31] <Tom_L> http://www.trico-oilers.com/Metal-Cutting-Products_c161.htm
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[17:31:05] <mrsunshine> what are those things to protect the machine called, likew indow blinds
[17:31:11] <mrsunshine> that look like window blinds
[17:32:03] <Jymmm> baffles?
[17:32:25] <Jymmm> rubber like things?
[17:33:07] <mrsunshine> ye, that slide over eachother
[17:34:19] <Tom_itx> accordion baffles
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[17:40:00] <Tom_L> http://waycover-repair.com/asealedbellowedwaycoverrepair.html
[17:42:13] <Tom_L> http://www.gortite.com/bellows/enclosed/index.html
[17:46:42] <Jymmm> bellows! that's it!
[17:47:01] <Tom_L> go for a stainless accordion cover :D
[17:48:52] <Jymmm> mrsunshine: There ya go, Tom_L is offering free SS according covers
[17:49:04] <mrsunshine> found a movie on making em yourself =)
[17:49:17] <mrsunshine> http://www.ixen-cnc.com/
[17:51:28] <mrsunshine> hmm i wonder if that works to check the squareness of the mill and how much i need to chim .. say a 15cm long bar, some double sided tape, remove the chuck from the spindle, attack the bar to the spindle, then just lower it to the table
[17:51:52] <mrsunshine> does that sound like a bad idea? :)
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[17:55:54] <Jymmm> Hmmm, I could laser cut that bellows
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[18:03:43] <Jymmm> The Eisenhower interstate system requires
[18:03:43] <Jymmm> that one mile in every five must be straight.
[18:03:43] <Jymmm> These straight sections are usable as airstrips
[18:03:44] <Jymmm> in times of war or other emergencies.
[18:05:04] <Jymmm> I guess that means no overcrossings either
[18:05:15] <Jymmm> (I'd hope)
[18:05:20] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/sherline_files/sherline_index.php
[18:05:22] <psha> so landing plane won't wait for crossing cars? :)
[18:05:27] <Tom_L> there's my sherline enclosure
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[18:07:11] <Tom_L> there were also curves put in the road where it otherwise could have been straight to keep ppl from falling asleep
[18:08:48] <andypugh> The car I was driving a few months ago decided I was asleep. It went "bong" and put up a picture of a cup of coffee on the dashboard.
[18:09:00] <andypugh> It wasn't wrong, either.
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[18:10:59] <psha> Tom_L: at least to filter out sleeping drivers :)
[18:13:08] <andypugh> The Denford enclosures are quite a neat design: http://www.denfordata.com/bb/download/file.php?id=1062 They go up on two unequal-length struts in a complex motion to give good access.
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[19:09:48] <mrsunshine> ough those bellows was hard to make :P
[19:14:15] <Jymmm> mrsunshine: folding you mean?
[19:14:45] <mrsunshine> aye
[19:14:50] <mrsunshine> made one in paper just to test
[19:14:53] <mrsunshine> piiiita =)
[19:15:10] <Jymmm> Using a bone knife to score before hand might help
[19:18:13] <Tom_itx> some just use a flat sheet of neoprene
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[19:21:32] <Connor> I like my enclosure I built for my router...
[19:21:50] <Connor> Learned allot of things in building it..
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[20:13:18] <Jymmm> Connor: Making sure the cordless drill is in FWD when drilling?
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[20:36:15] <mrsunshine> hmm for something like a lathe chuck thingie, is angular contact or taper roller to be preferred as bearings ?
[20:37:34] <archivist> depends on speeds and forces
[20:37:54] <mrsunshine> not to high speed, for milling
[20:37:57] <mrsunshine> its for a forth axis
[20:38:45] <archivist> taper roller for high force low speed
[20:39:22] <mrsunshine> good cause they were the cheapest :P
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[20:44:23] <mrsunshine> question is tho, what are standard sizes as this seem to be some kind of a budget brand, if i want to change for skf or soemthing later i dont want the holes etc to be to small or big :P
[20:45:59] <archivist> bearings are generally standard sizes
[20:50:21] <mrsunshine> archivist, aparently =) even named the same =)
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[20:54:13] <mrsunshine> 41.64 gbp for bearings (two taper roller), locknut, nut lock thingie, taperlock timing pullet (48 teeth), 1210 taperlock, thats almost a complete spindle :P
[20:57:08] <mrsunshine> oh well, cant order it now anyways have to see to it i have money for the bills also, but with the measurements i can actualy make the parts for the spindle :P
[21:03:28] <mrsunshine> step one is checking the mill to be straight tho ....
[21:03:44] <mrsunshine> as i know its off atleast in the X axis (the head is slightly tilted)
[21:04:56] <Connor> Jymmm: Ha Ha. :)
[21:19:53] <andypugh> mrsunshine: Where are you ordering the parts from?
[21:20:14] <mrsunshine> andypugh, bearingboys.co.uk =)
[21:20:33] <andypugh> OK, I was about to suggest them.
[21:20:34] <mrsunshine> shopping in sweden is useless
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[21:20:50] <andypugh> You could try www.simplybearings.co.uk too.
[21:22:03] <mrsunshine> well bearingboys has more stuff i need so =)
[21:22:17] <andypugh> And I am surprised you can't find them in Sweden as I was amazed how "hardcore" the Clas Olsen was in Rovaniemi. You can't buy 5-pin three-phase 440V plugs and sockets in uk hardware shops.
[21:23:11] <mrsunshine> clas ohlssons ?
[21:23:16] <mrsunshine> it sucks these days
[21:23:27] <mrsunshine> everything sucks these days in sweden, and its EXPENSIVE
[21:23:38] <mrsunshine> i get 3x the amount of stuff from the uk for the same price :/
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[21:37:39] <andypugh> Wierd, I very nearly bought a set of 240V "Commando" plugs and sockets as I thought the price looked great.
[21:38:54] <andypugh> Ah, OK, so the price wasn't all that great after all. http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Plugs_and_Sockets_Industrial_Index/Plugs_and_Sockets_Ind_240v/index.html
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[22:37:54] <Jymmm> cradek: How's the tape library doing?
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[23:21:30] <Tom_itx> cpresser_ you around?
[23:28:46] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Hes on German time (12:28am Monday)
[23:29:28] <Tom_itx> i knew he was over there somewhere but not sure where
[23:29:30] <Tom_itx> thanks
[23:29:42] <Jymmm> np
[23:30:04] <Tom_itx> he was asking about a programmer
[23:30:11] <Tom_itx> i finished a batch over the weekend
[23:30:17] <Jymmm> ah
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[23:30:36] <Jymmm> the one you were asking me about stencils I suspect
[23:31:43] <Tom_itx> that was one of them yes
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