#emc | Logs for 2011-02-24

[00:00:09] <elmo40> bill20r3: you would be surprised!
[00:01:20] <bill20r3> Roxul(tm) is a lot better than generic stone wool?
[00:01:53] <elmo40> nah, I think they are the same (I don't know of any generic stone wool... but I bet they are both basalt)
[00:01:55] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: I'm going for fully insulated 12" ceiling 6" walls fully wired up with 3-phase and walls and a zillion outlets
[00:02:20] <elmo40> zillion may be a bit too many ;) try billion first and go from there
[00:02:53] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, legit 3 phase?
[00:03:00] <danimal_garage> or roto-phase?
[00:03:07] <JT-Shop> naw home made
[00:03:12] <elmo40> if I wanted 3-phase I would need to use that motor technique
[00:03:16] <danimal_garage> rotary?
[00:03:27] <JT-Shop> I have it real close to even voltage, yea rotary
[00:03:30] <Tom_itx> before they will run 3phase to your pole, you have to show them you need it
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[00:03:42] <Tom_itx> unless you live in an area that has it already
[00:03:49] <JT-Shop> they don't care if you need it you just have to pay for it
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[00:04:03] <Tom_itx> they wanna make sure you're gonna use it
[00:04:05] <danimal_garage> i just use vfd's on everything, but i know you cant do that with the b-port
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[00:04:29] <JT-Shop> they don't care here if you use it or not you still pay the minimum
[00:05:08] <Tom_itx> they ran a graph on the box for a couple weeks after they put it in for my friend's shop to make sure it was clean and not dropping out etc
[00:05:29] <JT-Shop> that was nice of them
[00:05:50] <Tom_itx> it was that or be liable for a 60k sq ft building of machines
[00:06:15] <JT-Shop> they monitor everything automagiclly here
[00:06:27] <Tom_itx> he's rural
[00:06:34] <JT-Shop> we are too
[00:06:49] <JT-Shop> the meters all communicate back to the coop
[00:07:16] <Tom_L> http://www.clearwateren.com/
[00:07:23] <Tom_L> he's since sold it and retired
[00:07:26] <elmo40> you guys have 'smart meters' ?
[00:07:44] <JT-Shop> yea
[00:08:03] <elmo40> did your bills increase?
[00:08:06] <Tom_itx> what do you mean by smart meters?
[00:08:21] <Tom_itx> oh nm
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[00:08:50] <JT-Shop> I don't have a clue... I don't pay mine
[00:09:16] <Tom_itx> you look in the gallery link on that page and you can see that Ti trailing link we ran
[00:09:30] <JT-Shop> missed that
[00:09:32] <Tom_itx> both ends were drilled out
[00:09:40] <Tom_L> http://www.clearwateren.com/gallery.php
[00:09:51] <emcrules_mobile> they charge different rates based on peak hours
[00:10:42] <JT-Shop> neat stuff when done, I bet a pain to get right the first time
[00:11:04] <Tom_itx> yeah holding some of those was a pain
[00:11:17] <Tom_itx> the link had 3 or 4 positions if i remember
[00:12:09] <Tom_itx> all were cut from solid except maybe 2
[00:13:07] <Tom_itx> the link and the bearing part on the bottom row were forgings
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[00:19:06] <JT-Shop> one more pass on that plate and I'm done :/ dang 6061 is not very flat
[00:20:35] <Connor> Hey Guys, I'm getting ready to router a part out... and I need it to be a exact hight.. Up till this point, I've always homed my Z from the top of the part.. But, this part has a changing height, How do I home the Z? Do I home it from the bottom of the part with a Z offset ?
[00:20:46] <Connor> I'm using CamBam
[00:21:21] <Tom_L> JT-Shop, warpage?
[00:21:44] <JT-Shop> yea, 1/2 x 12 plate warped when new
[00:22:14] <JT-Shop> just trying to get a 12 x 15 piece flat with out taking much off
[00:23:13] <Connor> anyone? :)
[00:23:44] <Tom_L> when i do my gcode, i always set z above the material
[00:23:51] <Tom_L> use a 123 block or something
[00:24:02] <Tom_L> set the model 3" low in the cad and post it
[00:24:13] <Connor> I do too.. But, I'm always counting on the fact that what ever I'm working with has a exact thickness...
[00:24:47] <Tom_L> use the z offset from the bottom
[00:25:03] <Tom_L> make z higher than the material
[00:25:10] <Tom_L> we always did that
[00:25:30] <Tom_L> we generally set it above any fixtures for safety
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[00:25:36] <Connor> what do you mean by that.. ?
[00:26:03] <Tom_L> if you tell it to go to z0 it will be out of the way
[00:26:09] <Connor> My Home position for Z is all the way up.. and that's 0
[00:26:27] <Tom_L> well this would be for the G54 offset
[00:26:58] <Tom_L> not machine home
[00:27:00] <Connor> and I normally, touch off on the face of the part, which then becomes 0
[00:27:14] <Tom_L> yeah, we didn't do it that way
[00:27:16] <Connor> then, I use negative value to mill out.
[00:27:33] <Tom_L> we used a negative value but z0 was higher than the materal
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[00:27:59] <Connor> I always do 1/2" over step..
[00:28:05] <Tom_L> and if you're using a toumbstone we used a ball
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[00:28:37] <Connor> okay, so, zero from the spoiler board, with a offset the desired height..
[00:29:14] <Connor> and surface machine it.. then, cut my slots into that part.. reset for other operations ?
[00:29:17] <Tom_L> that's what i'd do. just make sure the piece is clamped flat against the base
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[00:29:55] <Tom_L> i can't see what you're machining but sounds ok
[00:30:04] <Connor> yea.. I'll clamp it from the sides flat against the spoiler board.
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[00:30:46] <Connor> 1.5" x 1.5" x .75" MDF blocks... out of a 1.6"-1.7" board..
[00:31:20] <Connor> They'll have a 1/4" grove in the middle .6" deep, and a .8" .100" deep pocket across the top that my slot sensor fits into..
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[00:33:01] <bill20r3> anyone know if it's (somehow) possible to interface EMC to a RC-model servo as an actuator? and any pointers to where I should start reading...
[00:33:46] <Tom_L> rc is a 2ms pulse with ~20-30ms between for other channels
[00:33:55] <Tom_L> 1-2ms with 1.5 centered
[00:34:09] <emcrules_mobile> JT-Shop, any luck finding your old pokeys setup?
[00:34:12] <Tom_L> you will need to generate that waveform to drive it
[00:35:50] <Tom_L> __-_______-_______-_______--______
[00:35:54] <Tom_L> something like that
[00:37:43] <JT-Shop> emcrules_mobile: no, I did find the pokeys itself but have not tried to plug it in with all the activity of roofing. I only tested analog inputs...
[00:37:47] <bill20r3> yeah, that part I've got, I assume I'd use an arduino, or some sort of dedicated servo-controller, I'm just wondering about how I'd configure it, or where to start, even.
[00:37:57] <JT-Shop> I'm sure I used hal_input
[00:38:18] <JT-Shop> are you around in the mornings central time?
[00:38:47] * JT-Shop finally got that part flat and heads inside
[00:39:17] <emcrules_mobile> yeah I'm eastern time
[00:39:43] <JT-Shop> I'm usually on from 5am to 7am central time
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[00:43:32] <jthornton> emcrules_mill: you still there?
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[00:47:26] <danimal_garage> i'm here for ya John
[00:47:45] <danimal_garage> :)
[00:48:05] <danimal_garage> until 5:30, then i go for my bike ride
[00:48:10] <danimal_garage> pacific time
[00:48:17] <jthornton> you sure you don't want that 65k mill
[00:48:48] <jthornton> Dan, do you do any plating of your parts in house?
[00:48:59] <danimal_garage> just anodizing
[00:49:14] <Tom_L> how big is your shop?
[00:49:23] <jthornton> you use Caswell chemicals?
[00:49:39] <jthornton> the new part is 30 x 32
[00:49:44] <danimal_garage> LOL it's a 2 car garage... like 24x24 maybe?
[00:50:00] <danimal_garage> yea, i use caswell stuff
[00:50:04] <Tom_L> that's where that friend of mine started
[00:50:14] <Tom_L> with a bridgeport boss 5
[00:50:14] <danimal_garage> works decent
[00:50:19] <Tom_L> and a tracer
[00:50:27] <jthornton> the garage part is 26 x 40
[00:51:02] <danimal_garage> showoff!
[00:51:15] <jthornton> my partner has a 30 x40 shop but we only use about 2/3 of it
[00:51:20] <danimal_garage> i need a couple thousand square feet
[00:51:31] <danimal_garage> ideally
[00:51:42] <jthornton> I have a manual lathe and mill and a cnc BP Series 1 over there
[00:51:52] <danimal_garage> nice
[00:51:59] <jthornton> my shop and garage together is 2000 sq ft
[00:52:09] <danimal_garage> when can i move in?
[00:52:33] <danimal_garage> i need to get a real shop so i can hire people
[00:52:34] <jthornton> as soon as we get the shingles up
[00:52:47] <danimal_garage> i've about hit my threshold by myself
[00:52:56] <danimal_garage> ha, be right over!
[00:53:06] <jthornton> will they let you do that out there?
[00:53:21] <danimal_garage> do what?
[00:53:25] <danimal_garage> hire people?
[00:53:33] <jthornton> have a "real shop"
[00:53:37] <danimal_garage> ha
[00:53:48] <danimal_garage> prob not
[00:54:04] <jthornton> yea that too
[00:54:13] <danimal_garage> the plan is to buy a spot of land and put up a steel building
[00:54:33] <jthornton> I've got too much shit and not enough shinola down here in the beer cave
[00:54:39] <jthornton> so your parts are selling good
[00:54:49] <danimal_garage> yea, it's been real busy lately
[00:55:09] <danimal_garage> i'm about to start advertising as well
[00:55:15] <Tom_L> jthornton, where are you?
[00:55:44] <Tom_L> danimal_garage, web ads or magazine etc?
[00:55:59] <danimal_garage> both
[00:56:01] <jthornton> Tom_L: I'm in Swamp East Missouri
[00:56:10] <Tom_L> oh, near dan?
[00:56:16] <danimal_garage> wired magazine did an article on me, it will come out in the april issue
[00:56:24] <Tom_L> err hell i get confused...
[00:56:28] <danimal_garage> i'm in San Diego, CA
[00:56:40] <jthornton> LOL Dan is on the left coast
[00:56:41] <Tom_L> i meant JTshop
[00:56:58] <Tom_L> i'm in too many channels to keep track of everyone
[00:57:05] <jthornton> I'm smack in the middle
[00:57:06] <jthornton> that's me
[00:57:06] <jthornton> JT...
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[00:57:24] <Tom_L> ahh
[00:57:43] <danimal_garage> i'd like to have my garage back for tinkering on my motorcycle and cars
[00:58:01] <jthornton> what kind of bike do you have Dan?
[00:58:54] <danimal_garage> http://www.thechopperunderground.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=50575
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[00:59:11] <danimal_garage> it's an old xj, getting totally chopped and stretched
[01:02:38] <jthornton> looks cool Dan, do I see beer and coke mixed on the same counter?
[01:02:54] <danimal_garage> ha not the fun kind of coke
[01:03:03] <danimal_garage> not that i would know actually
[01:03:21] <danimal_garage> there's always beer on my counter though
[01:03:42] <danimal_garage> thanks
[01:03:56] <jthornton> LOL me too beer and wine and sometimes a sip of cognac
[01:04:16] <danimal_garage> yea i have wine with dinner
[01:04:35] <danimal_garage> for the ol blood pressure
[01:04:42] <Tom_L> oh who recomended that apex case to me?
[01:04:56] <Tom_L> i presume it has sata power plugs on the supply...
[01:04:56] <jthornton> I should get a photo me doing a wheelie with the GoldWing
[01:05:03] <danimal_garage> haha nice
[01:05:11] <jthornton> must have been me
[01:05:20] <danimal_garage> i wouldnt dare do one on mine
[01:05:25] <jthornton> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/HPIM1988-1.jpg
[01:05:32] <jthornton> lol me neither
[01:06:14] <jthornton> I might leave the ground in a few special places that are fun but don't think I want to wheelie a 900lb bike
[01:06:25] <jthornton> my XL200 is another story...
[01:08:00] <jthornton> Tom_L: yes it has a couple sata plugs as I recall
[01:08:11] <jthornton> I can look if you need me to
[01:08:16] <Tom_L> naw
[01:08:20] <Tom_L> it'll be here tomorrow
[01:08:24] <Tom_L> the rest on friday
[01:08:40] <Tom_L> i suppose most new stuff does
[01:08:45] <jthornton> seemed to have enough plugs to connect anything you could fit into it
[01:08:56] <jthornton> I've built 3 so far
[01:09:03] <Tom_L> addiction?
[01:09:53] <Tom_L> even if i don't use it for emc right a way, i'll run a latency test for it
[01:09:58] <jthornton> well 2 for me and 1 for my Mom, just because it is a small footprint
[01:10:13] <Tom_L> i got too many puters already
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[01:10:28] <jthornton> I'm going to build something with all the bits I have but don't know what...
[01:10:52] <jthornton> getting the shop done seems to be on my mind every day
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[01:12:05] <jthornton> I have one ready for the BP Discovery 308 if it calls in sick one day
[01:13:32] <jthornton> dinner time here guys so talk to you later
[01:13:40] <Tom_L> yup
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[01:19:01] <mikegg> this opto22 board I got, has 4.6K pull ups on all the even pins
[01:19:10] <mikegg> do you guys cut them out or something?
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[01:21:23] <mikegg> err odd
[01:21:25] <mikegg> I think
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[01:26:05] <mikegg> wait a tic. I think I've got this hooked up wrong
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[02:12:49] <thetik> hello everyone, first time in this channel, hope you're as friendly as the DIY community usually is :)
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[02:32:47] <thetik> anyone around?
[02:32:51] <elmoo> nope
[02:32:54] <thetik> dang
[02:33:05] <elmoo> i just showed up myself ;)
[02:33:33] <thetik> i've only recently started my build, but have been doing cnc research and reading online for a couple years now
[02:34:03] <thetik> I've got a specific question that I wasn't able to find an answer for on linuxcnc.org or the forums or the wiki
[02:35:27] <thetik> I get "Unexpected realtime error on task 1", then do a latency check and fix it.
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[02:35:50] <thetik> My latency check yields <10000 consistently
[02:36:00] <thetik> so I'm not sure what to fix
[02:45:29] <elmoo> good question ;)
[02:45:37] <elmoo> emcrules_laptop: evening
[02:45:59] <Jymmm> thetik: try a different mobo
[02:46:25] <elmoo> what is the error? why diff mobo when it could be a simple issue
[02:47:07] <Jymmm> high latency is usually the mobo, also try an external video card, and disable the internal one.
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[02:49:15] <pcw_home> What mobo?
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[02:52:52] <seb_kuzminsky> thetik: here are some less-drastic things to try: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting#Unexpected_realtime_delay_check_dmesg_for_details
[02:53:02] <seb_kuzminsky> but it's probably your mobo :-P
[02:56:00] <emcrules_laptop> Seb, whats a good programming ide for linux?
[02:57:04] <cradek> emcrules_laptop: be careful - people who don't use ides only snicker at that question
[02:57:11] <cradek> sometimes they'll give snide comments, too
[02:57:16] <cradek> so, better ask google instead
[02:58:04] <emcrules_laptop> Thanks just trying to get my hand wet
[02:58:46] <cradek> as far as programming emc goes, what ide/editor to use is about the 72nd thing to worry about
[02:58:52] <emcrules_laptop> so what would be the best way to start messing around with comps?
[02:59:03] <cradek> find a simple one and modify it to fit your needs
[03:00:01] <emcrules_laptop> how do you debug code?
[03:00:50] <cradek> it depends - if it's realtime code, it's fairly hard. unless it's doing IO, you can run it in userland, in simulator mode. then you can attach the debugger like usual.
[03:01:32] <kb8wmc> cradek: I was thinking about your LISP app earlier and forgot to ask you, have you done any upgrades of any type to it?
[03:02:06] <cradek> not sure - depends which version you have
[03:02:29] <kb8wmc> I have the one I pulled off your website only
[03:02:56] <cradek> I made several changes in 2010
[03:03:01] <cradek> not sure if I ever put them on the website
[03:03:20] <cradek> coolant - circles - use UCS for everything - peck, chip break, tap cycles
[03:03:23] <kb8wmc> hmmm, anything you would want to share
[03:03:41] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/realize.lsp
[03:03:51] <cradek> ^ very latest from my vc
[03:03:59] <cradek> use/test with caution
[03:04:41] <kb8wmc> rgr...tnx bunches, will try it out
[03:05:47] <kb8wmc> I have already used your older app and it works well for what I want...
[03:06:05] <cradek> yeah - it's sure simple, but I get a lot of use out of it too
[03:06:36] <kb8wmc> very simple, at least it seems so to me
[03:06:39] <cradek> before I was using emc, I'd do the offsetting in autocad - now sometimes I draw nominal in autocad and add cutter comp moves by hand
[03:06:56] <kb8wmc> very good
[03:07:23] <kb8wmc> I will give your newer update a whirl
[03:07:28] <seb_kuzminsky> emcrules_laptop: for IDEs, i'm a huge fan of vim
[03:07:33] <seb_kuzminsky> :-P
[03:07:38] <cradek> told you so
[03:07:54] <kb8wmc> me?
[03:08:04] <seb_kuzminsky> he's talking to emcrules_laptop
[03:08:11] <kb8wmc> ok..sry
[03:08:29] <cradek> to be serious for a second: xemacs is more of an ide than vim, but is still a good editor and doesn't get in your way with a bunch of crap
[03:08:34] <thetik> haven't tried emacs, but learned and liked vim a long time ago
[03:09:02] <cradek> the gdb mode of xemacs is quite nice, as is building while editing, which for some reason vim can't seem to manage
[03:09:18] <cradek> also, IMO, its auto-indenting is better than vim's
[03:09:50] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah i just could never stomach all those parentheses
[03:10:00] <cradek> but mostly it comes down to which one your muscle memory knows how to run
[03:10:29] <thetik> @pcw_home Its an Abit IL9Pro
[03:10:29] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: the vim scripting language is more obtuse than lisp (which actually isn't too bad once you get the basics)
[03:10:42] <cradek> dude
[03:10:51] <cradek> why am I arguing about editors
[03:10:52] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[03:10:55] <thetik> lol
[03:11:00] <cradek> I've been on the internet long enough to know not to do that
[03:11:03] <emcrules_laptop> I just really need a good editor. I program robots and plc daily. just need a good editor to constantly remind me of how i f'ed up some syntax
[03:11:19] <thetik> the best tool is the one that works for you
[03:11:42] <cradek> emcrules_laptop: try vim and xemacs. everything else is a waste of time. (some will recommend kate - you should scoff at them)
[03:12:14] <emcrules_laptop> cradek: thanks
[03:12:22] <cradek> some will recommend gedit - you should pity them
[03:13:15] <emcrules_laptop> is there plugins for gedit?
[03:13:41] <cradek> fiik
[03:13:48] <seb_kuzminsky> lol
[03:14:01] <emcrules_laptop> ?
[03:14:05] <cradek> last I knew, gedit randomly screws up cr/lf
[03:14:37] <cradek> but surely gedit is better than microsoft word for programming
[03:14:42] <thetik> and thats why I hate windows text editors
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[03:22:53] <thetik> I have another computer from a friend tomorrow, I'll be trying that and hoping i don't get a realtime error
[03:23:03] <thetik> still frustrating not to know a reason why :-/
[03:27:29] <pcw_home> I have a Nvida motherboard that I've never figured out either, it has ~500 uSec delays occasionally when launching programs
[03:27:31] <pcw_home> since I'm only testing hardware it doesn't bother me, I fixed 2 causes of latency (nvidia graphics and pc speaker) but the last eludes me
[03:33:22] <thetik> i can avoid launching programs, switching from an ATI card to a nVidia got my latency from 55uSec to <10
[03:35:03] <pcw_home> I had no luck at all with the on board Nvidia so replaced with an ancient PCI Matrox
[03:35:48] <thetik> what proc are you using for your EMC machine?
[03:36:40] <pcw_home> This is just for testing hardware, its our old server, a Opteron something
[03:36:53] <thetik> gotcha
[03:37:22] <thetik> this past week i got a probotix kit and can't wait to get a motor spinning
[03:37:33] <Tom_itx> anybody else running the atom D525 board here?
[03:38:28] <Tom_itx> i should get it friday and i'll do some latency tests even if i'm not gonna use emc right away
[03:39:26] <elmoo> pcw_home: old Matrox card? did that help any?
[03:39:48] <elmoo> would a 4Mb generic video card be better then a 256Mb nVidia?
[03:41:42] <pcw_home> Yes the onboard nvidia (with either nvidias driver or the open source one) caused millisecond delays
[03:42:00] <thetik> im really curious for not just anecdotal evidence but actual reasons behind latency and realtime errors
[03:44:06] <pcw_home> yeah it a real nasty mix of hardware and software, I think on board video used to be a problem (it in on the nvidia MB I have)
[03:44:08] <pcw_home> but on board video works fine on the Intel Atom MBs
[03:45:45] <pcw_home> Since the ABIT is a Intel MB did you try disabling SMI?
[03:48:26] <thetik> it gave me the "module not found" error
[03:49:11] <thetik> when i followed the directions on the wiki
[03:49:26] <elmoo> mydefrag
[03:49:30] <elmoo> oops :P
[03:50:30] <pcw_home> all power management off in BIOs?
[03:51:12] <thetik> i've gone through the BIOS and disabled all power management, USB,
[03:51:20] <thetik> PATA only,
[03:54:25] <thetik> tried single proc vs dual, didn't make a diff
[03:54:41] <pcw_home> Known good hard drive? (failing drives/interfaces can cause latency)
[03:54:58] <thetik> it came out of a working machine
[03:55:19] <pcw_home> you can apt-get the "smart" tool to check
[03:55:31] <thetik> SMART thinkgs its fine
[03:55:57] <thetik> 10.04 comes with the smart tool it look slike
[03:55:58] <pcw_home> enough RAM?
[03:56:07] <thetik> 1 GB
[03:56:36] <pcw_home> how big are the latency spikes?
[03:56:47] <thetik> i don't see any, thats the problem
[03:56:59] <thetik> the latency tool seems happy, <10000
[03:57:10] <thetik> but when starting EMC2, i get a realtime error
[03:57:13] <pcw_home> what is you base thread period?
[03:57:49] <thetik> the max jitter?
[03:58:03] <thetik> or a # fed into stepconf?
[03:59:22] <thetik> latency text base thread bolded number is 25K
[03:59:50] <thetik> servo thread is ~8K
[03:59:53] <pcw_home> I'm not familiar with stepconf does it estimate a safe base thread period?
[04:00:20] <thetik> it just asks for a number, suggests you look at the latency test for something sensical
[04:01:56] <pcw_home> well you could try bumping it up to 50K or so and see how you do...
[04:02:54] <thetik> so modifying that number could change EMC's response to realtime? hmm..... thanks!
[04:03:06] <thetik> i shall mess with that :D
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[04:05:36] <pcw_home> Also other EMC users have mentioned getting a latency spike only at startup an never again so if you never see it again it may not be important
[04:05:37] <pcw_home> (but you need to try your best to stress the machine to make sure it will never happen when running)
[04:05:52] <thetik> Thank you so much for giving me another step to take
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[04:06:31] <pcw_home> well worth a try looks like a nice MB
[04:06:54] <pcw_home> bbl
[04:08:10] <thetik> YES!!
[04:08:18] <thetik> at 50K, it didn't complain
[04:08:27] <thetik> at 30K it did
[04:08:44] <thetik> but i may be able to make a motor spin
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[05:26:13] <Valen> pcw_home: that latency spike I see is when opening an openGL window
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[08:48:24] <archivist> dinky fly press 17" high to the nut http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2011/2011_02_24_waterlow_press_tool/IMG_0917.JPG
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[11:55:12] <emcrules_mobile> jthornton, you around
[11:55:26] <jthornton> yea
[11:56:05] <jthornton> darn usb on this computer front panel don't work so I'm trying to get it to work on my d501mo
[11:56:14] <emcrules_mobile> did you get my config?
[11:56:52] <jthornton> no
[11:56:59] <jthornton> where did you send it to?
[11:57:14] <emcrules_mobile> that's what I am using as well
[11:57:32] <emcrules_mobile> the fourm post
[11:57:38] <jthornton> I see two pokeys
[11:57:55] <jthornton> input 0 and input 2
[11:58:06] <jthornton> ok I'll open up the forum on the d510
[11:58:52] <emcrules_mobile> yep I get the same
[12:00:17] <jthornton> the forum should have let you upload a .hal and .ini file
[12:00:48] <jthornton> oh, that is the pokeys config
[12:01:16] <emcrules_mobile> the config is for the polkeys ware
[12:03:08] <jthornton> ok
[12:04:32] <emcrules_mobile> did you read franks response on the mail list
[12:06:02] <jthornton> yes, but I didn't completely understand it
[12:06:48] <jthornton> I have your config loaded on my pokeys
[12:07:46] <emcrules_mobile> in simple term its not exactly pnp hid
[12:09:14] <emcrules_mobile> if it was his comp would be able to map all the io types to hal
[12:09:34] <jthornton> ok
[12:09:43] <jthornton> I'm just making a config now
[12:10:06] <jthornton> but it sounds like hidcomp is better than hal_input?
[12:10:40] <emcrules_mobile> yes it should be
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[12:12:04] <emcrules_mobile> in the windws world it uses a dll to work with mach
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[12:13:46] <jthornton> what name did you use on the loadusr ... hal_input line
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[12:14:32] <emcrules_mobile> PoKeys with an index
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[12:16:06] <jthornton> do you have that handy?
[12:16:07] <emcrules_mobile> PoKeys:0 PoKeys:1
[12:17:38] <emcrules_mobile> driving right now
[12:17:57] <jthornton> ah ok
[12:18:12] <jthornton> I'm having some load problems
[12:18:19] <emcrules_mobile> god dam snow
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[12:18:46] <emcrules_mobile> permissions?
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[12:19:23] <jthornton> yea maybe that is it
[12:19:48] <jthornton> rain here with some heavy stuff on they way
[12:21:02] <emcrules_mobile> yeah were going to get that as well
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[12:30:44] <emcrules_mobile> brb
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[12:35:43] <jthornton> I got it to load finally :) now to find my bag of buttons
[12:36:34] <emcrules_mobile> lol
[12:42:41] <jthornton> I only used PoKeys:0 and a bunch of joystick pins show up
[12:44:46] <emcrules_mobile> yes that sounds right. can you map the digital inputs to buttons and get them to change state?
[12:53:03] <jthornton> I'll have to connect some buttons to it and see
[12:55:32] <emcrules_mobile> any idea on how to get the hidcomp source on a windoze pc I'm at work no linux around
[12:56:31] <jthornton> virtualbox ose
[12:58:26] <jthornton> I found my sack-o-switches but I'm running out of time this morning... at least we got a start on it
[12:58:56] <emcrules_mobile> cool thanks for the help.
[12:59:10] <jthornton> np
[12:59:48] <emcrules_mobile> later guess I shouild do some work now
[13:00:11] <jthornton> time for me to get ready for work
[13:01:06] <emcrules_mobile> have a good one
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[13:29:23] <jthornton> emcrules_mobile if you read back there is a firmware bug in pokeys and you need to download the latest software
[13:29:40] <jthornton> hi ho, hi ho it's off to the shop I go
[13:44:09] <awallin> making presents for xmas already?
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[14:01:56] <jthornton> naw, everyone gets a lump of coal
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[14:54:28] <mrsunshine> gah im to lazy
[14:54:42] <mrsunshine> should have had this stupid motor mount ready by now
[14:54:44] <mrsunshine> but nooo :P
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[15:53:43] <IchGuckLive> Hi all milling friends
[16:02:45] <JT-Shop> hi IchGuckLive
[16:03:34] <IchGuckLive> B)
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[16:26:40] <awallin_> anyone played wit heidenhain pendants: http://savpek.kapsi.fi/doku.php?id=cnc:heidenhain_manualctrl_box someone asking for help with the serial protocol...
[16:26:44] <awallin_> with
[16:27:25] <IchGuckLive> awallin_: i look at it tomorrow
[16:27:37] <awallin_> ok
[16:28:11] <IchGuckLive> ba till later
[16:28:15] <cradek> awallin_: it's trivial to scope a serial signal to find baud rate - isn't it pretty simple to reverse engineer the protocol?
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[16:29:00] <awallin_> the pdf from that page shows that the pendant should reply when DTR is pulled high
[16:29:12] <awallin_> there should be some kind of bit-pattern on RXD
[16:29:14] <cradek> hm, he already has some data
[16:29:50] <cradek> oh you poll it? weird.
[16:29:58] <awallin_> but apparently the reply signal is the same whatever you push/jog etc
[16:30:24] <cradek> ah, thanks for the translation
[16:30:45] <cradek> I am no help then
[16:30:54] <cradek> (maybe it's broken?)
[16:31:10] <awallin_> could that link be bidirectional?
[16:32:32] <cradek> the pin marked DTR is not DTR as we know it - I'd suspect it's actually something else
[16:32:50] <cradek> can he open the box?
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[16:48:46] <cradek> does he have access to a machine it works on? that'd be the easiest way.
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[16:58:21] <Ekken> hmm.. can I use this with emc2: http://www.poscope.com/product.php?pid=3 ?
[16:58:25] <Ekken> any alternatives?
[16:58:55] <Ekken> http://www.poscope.com/product.php?pid=21 with this..
[16:59:55] <cradek> see the mailing list for lots of recent talk about the pokeys
[17:00:10] <Ekken> I did read this.. http://www.listware.net/201102/emc-users/83987-re-emc-users-guidance-on-usb-comp.html
[17:00:35] <cradek> with no information about the interface on the pendant, it's hard to say whether you can use it with any old generic IO you have
[17:00:58] <JT-Shop> it was a faulty firmware http://www.poscope.com/entry.php?eid=95
[17:01:17] <Ekken> I don't have any, I'm thinking about Mesa cards, but they ordering sucks.. :)
[17:01:22] <Jymmm> Ekken: http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html
[17:02:43] <JT-Shop> that pendant looks like the same one everyone sells
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[17:02:57] <pcw_home> awallin: looks like serial at maybe 30K baud (4 chars in ~1.2 ms)
[17:03:20] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: It retains programming with power off though, no drivers required
[17:03:30] <JT-Shop> what does?
[17:03:38] <Jymmm> http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html
[17:03:47] <JT-Shop> so does the pokeys
[17:04:00] <Jymmm> Pokey says it needs .NET
[17:04:20] <Ekken> can that I-pac be used with mpg?
[17:04:57] <JT-Shop> just to program the device not to use it
[17:04:58] <Jymmm> Ekken: Dont know, you'll have to read up on it and ask them.
[17:05:17] <Jymmm> It also does SP2 as well as USB
[17:05:20] <Jymmm> PS2
[17:05:47] <cradek> better to avoid pokeys and get realtime IO with realtime encoder counting from the various mesa cards
[17:05:59] <cradek> you have so much more flexibility
[17:06:06] <cradek> you know it works without screwing around
[17:06:34] <cradek> price of pokeys is most of the cost of a 7i43
[17:07:00] <Ekken> yep.. maybe I just order Mesa cards and that PoPendant
[17:07:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.zumbrovalley.net/index.php?artid=4
[17:07:36] <cradek> make sure the pendant gives you access to the raw signals, and not some other goofy interface
[17:08:22] <Ekken> cradek, surely there are just a mpg and I can get rid off any additional electrinics if there are any
[17:08:39] <cradek> yes - unless it's glued shut or something
[17:08:52] <Ekken> good point :)
[17:08:56] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: http://www.zumbrovalley.net/readpost.php?artid=5
[17:09:33] <pcw_home> awallin: as far as the data not changing goes, maybe it needs th regular DTR pulse
[17:09:38] <Ekken> I was thinking to use 5I23 with 7I52
[17:12:13] <JT-Shop> Jymmm: what am I looking at?
[17:12:58] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Wow, you need coffee PAY ATTETION.... the screen shots of the linux command line utility to program the iPac
[17:14:04] <JT-Shop> but I don't want an iPac
[17:14:43] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: YES, YOU DO! You just don't know it yet =)
[17:14:47] <Jymmm> http://www.cnccookbook.com/MTCNCPanels.htm
[17:15:12] <Ekken> hmm.. damn.
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[17:15:39] <Ekken> my other encoders take all those 6 input of that 7I52
[17:15:44] <JT-Shop> anyway the pokeys is no better or worse than your USB keyboard for input
[17:16:57] <Ekken> http://www.cnccookbook.com/img/LatheStuff/CNCConversion/CNCPanels/BridgeportPanel.jpg is that spindle load meter digital?
[17:17:52] <Ekken> ah. Bob says "load LCD" :)
[17:18:21] <bill20r3> PC Loadletter?
[17:18:56] <Jymmm> Eh, just use a Wii Controller for a pendant!
[17:18:59] <Ekken> wut
[17:19:14] <pcw_home> If you dont need index you could have 9 encoders on the 7I52 (with a weird pinout)
[17:19:23] <Ekken> Jymmm, and build mill from lego?
[17:19:33] <Jymmm> Ekken: Nope
[17:20:03] <Ekken> I have a Wii controller but no Wii
[17:20:16] <Ekken> but.. I really want a mpg
[17:20:18] <Jymmm> the more you tilt in any direction the faster the jog
[17:20:58] * JT-Shop wanders inside to cook a peanut butter sandwich
[17:21:11] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Don't use diesel
[17:23:20] <Jymmm> Ekken: Oh, just it does, as there are spinners.... 1200 PPR
[17:23:28] <Jymmm> http://www.ultimarc.com/SpinTrak.html
[17:23:44] <Jymmm> Ekken: Oh, yes it does, as there are spinners.... 1200 PPR
[17:24:14] <Ekken> doesn't look so nice
[17:24:27] <Jymmm> these are ARCADE controls
[17:25:42] <Ekken> yep, not my thing
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[17:27:29] <Jymmm> It's just a knob, change to what you prefer
[17:28:14] <bill20r3> you'll never beat the endboss of CNC, with that attitude!
[17:28:29] <Jymmm> bill20r3: say that in english!
[17:28:29] <Ekken> Jymmm, how much those costs?
[17:28:40] <bill20r3> :-)
[17:28:45] <pcw_home> Dont most MPGs have 100 CPR and detents?
[17:29:32] <cradek> yes 100 cycles
[17:29:35] <Ekken> pcw_home, yep
[17:30:29] <Ekken> That SpinTrak is 69$ without a knob..
[17:30:37] <Ekken> and real MPGs ~50$?
[17:30:48] <danimal_garage> yes
[17:30:55] <Jymmm> it's also 1200 PPR
[17:31:13] <danimal_garage> you can buy a whole pendant for $89
[17:31:22] <Ekken> danimal_garage, from where?
[17:31:29] <danimal_garage> with the xyza and scale switches
[17:31:31] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: you get what you pay for
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[17:32:22] <Jymmm> But, don't buy, I don't care. Ekken asked for alternatives, and I gave the links.
[17:32:48] <danimal_garage> ekken, i forgot, but some google searching will find it
[17:33:03] <danimal_garage> they had just mpg's for $50
[17:33:13] <bill20r3> last night I tried to configure a usb joypad as a pendant, but failed.
[17:33:24] <danimal_garage> i got a whole fanuc pendant used for $50
[17:33:27] <Jymmm> bill20r3: the logitek one?
[17:33:40] <bill20r3> it's a Saitek P880
[17:34:02] <Jymmm> bill20r3: Oh, dont know. Got the logitec one working, ask JT-Shop for details
[17:34:05] <bill20r3> I think the problem was that it was 1am, and I hadn't read anything about HAL, but just tried to stumble my way through.
[17:34:29] <bill20r3> I'm sure I'll get it going after I read some docs & actually understand what's going on.
[17:34:47] <Jymmm> bill20r3: the wiki is dated, so I'm not sure if it's complete
[17:34:54] <pcw_home> We are working on our remote MPG interface card today (proto cards got here Tuesday)
[17:35:22] <Ekken> danimal_garage, not very helpful.. I have bookmarked only these: http://homanndesigns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=30 http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=163
[17:35:35] <bill20r3> yeah. seems like the choices are hal_joypad, hal_input, and hidcomp. I was trying with hal_input.
[17:35:41] <Ekken> pcw_home, any more info?
[17:36:41] <danimal_garage> Ekken, it was the cnc4pc one
[17:36:50] <danimal_garage> they had a pendant
[17:36:58] <danimal_garage> it was like $89 i thought
[17:37:14] <Ekken> but in reality its 189$? :)
[17:37:23] <danimal_garage> ohhh
[17:37:24] <pcw_home> Its a RS-422 2.5 Mbit SSLBP interface so works with the SSERIAL bit files that currently support 8I20 and 7I64
[17:37:26] <pcw_home> 50 foot cables should be fine
[17:37:34] <danimal_garage> more than i thought
[17:37:36] <Ekken> http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=158 looks like that PoPendant
[17:37:43] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: only off by $100 http://www.cnc4pc.com/Store/osc/product_info.php?cPath=40&products_id=158
[17:37:47] <danimal_garage> there's some on ebay
[17:37:57] <danimal_garage> not much cheaper
[17:38:10] <Ekken> danimal_garage, I couldn't find any cheap ones from there either
[17:38:17] <danimal_garage> $155
[17:38:26] <danimal_garage> the cheapest i saw
[17:38:32] <Jymmm> and it's paraport
[17:38:33] <Ekken> I think I will order that Po because thay have free shipping
[17:38:39] <danimal_garage> damn, guess i got a good deal on my used one
[17:38:54] <cradek> I wouldn't use a pendant on a machine the size of mine - I don't see why people want them
[17:39:06] <cradek> they require two hands to operate, when you really want the other hand available
[17:39:20] <cradek> for a very big machine where you can't reach the tool and control panel at the same time - sure
[17:39:21] <Ekken> cradek, in what size machine?
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[17:39:39] <cradek> Ekken: smallish VMC
[17:39:41] <pcw_home> It avoid wasting any FPGA encoder or FPGA GPIO even if its jut embedded in a control panel
[17:39:45] <Jymmm> cradek: that was my issue - couldnt reach both
[17:39:56] <danimal_garage> try tweezers
[17:39:58] <atmega328> chest mount for your pendant
[17:40:02] <cradek> ha
[17:40:22] <Ekken> cradek, define smallish..
[17:40:32] <cradek> pic: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/jr.jpg
[17:40:36] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: I said REACH, not find! you $2 whore!
[17:40:40] <danimal_garage> cradek, i agree, however it was easier than making room on my pannel, and i just hang it on the machine
[17:41:01] <cradek> danimal_garage: I see
[17:42:22] <Ekken> cradek, my mill will be smaller, and I still want one.. :/
[17:42:22] <danimal_garage> my pannel is pretty full
[17:42:45] <danimal_garage> i dont even have a run button yet :/
[17:43:21] <Ekken> I don't even have a power supply for the servos yet
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[17:43:56] <danimal_garage> Ekken, whatcha building?
[17:44:11] <Ekken> RF45 clone
[17:44:58] <danimal_garage> cool
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[17:46:49] <Ekken> hopefully :)
[17:47:23] <Ekken> I still don't know what these minimills can do
[17:47:44] <danimal_garage> probably a lot as long as you are patient
[17:48:02] <Ekken> I have had it like 6 months and never have made any chips
[17:48:13] <danimal_garage> thats a sin!
[17:48:28] <danimal_garage> ball screws or lead screws?
[17:48:43] <Ekken> didn't want to mess it up before disassembly :)
[17:48:53] <Ekken> ballscrews, tiny ones
[17:49:03] <Ekken> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/benchtop_machines/120917-copycat_rf45_clone.html
[17:49:04] <danimal_garage> nice!
[17:50:21] <danimal_garage> cool, should work nice
[17:50:32] <danimal_garage> smart move with the ballscrews and servos
[17:51:26] <Ekken> they are brushless, just didn't know that they were chinese ones when I ordered them :)
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[17:53:10] <danimal_garage> anything for a decent price is unfortunately
[17:53:16] <danimal_garage> unless you go used
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[17:54:29] <danimal_garage> i always go used, i'm a cheap bastard :)
[17:54:42] <danimal_garage> or poor bastard
[17:54:53] <danimal_garage> however you want to look at it
[17:55:20] <archivist> used means you can get bigger indutrial for the same money
[17:55:41] <archivist> sensible bar steward
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[18:11:13] <Ekken> funny, can't find any info about the country of taht PoLabs-thing
[18:11:26] <Ekken> Contact infos are just emails
[18:12:10] <IchGuckLive> Ekken: thats not a good sighn
[18:16:33] <kb8wmc> good day to all
[18:16:54] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: HI B9
[18:17:07] <IchGuckLive> b) O.o
[18:17:09] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: good day to you sir
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[18:18:34] <IchGuckLive> here is night almost
[18:19:07] <kb8wmc> I forgot that, numerous time zone differences
[18:19:45] <IchGuckLive> did you compile Heeks
[18:20:17] <kb8wmc> not yet, I was waiting on word from you as to when the recent changes take effect
[18:21:29] <IchGuckLive> Dan is on Duty so it will take time ,but you can change the 2 Postprocessor files just copy them to get the new CRC Emc2 post processor
[18:22:19] <IchGuckLive> i checktit toay with my trainees and it shout work now for 99percent of the sketches
[18:22:33] <kb8wmc> ok...will see if I can figure it all out, is there a preferred best way to do the install?
[18:23:09] <IchGuckLive> http://code.google.com/p/heekscad/wiki/BuildWithCmakeOnUbuntu
[18:23:32] <IchGuckLive> go for custom installation below
[18:23:33] <kb8wmc> rgr...ok, will follow those instructions
[18:23:39] <kb8wmc> ok
[18:29:00] <kb8wmc> I have my cup of coffee...lol
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[18:40:11] <IchGuckLive> shoudt qwork onder 5min
[18:40:47] <awallin_> anyone going to watch the shuttle launch? is that in 3hours 10min ?
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[18:41:52] <awallin_> it's just wonderful how many abbreviations Nasa invents and uses!
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[18:46:17] <danimal_garage> what's up with this channel lately? It boots everyone all the time.
[18:47:04] <IchGuckLive> Good luck for this
[18:47:58] <skunkworks> hasn't booted me. Do you not lead a pure life?
[18:48:00] <skunkworks> ;)
[18:48:11] <JT-Shop> lol
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[18:48:58] <archivist> danimal_garage, running on wifi?
[18:50:02] <danimal_garage> nope
[18:50:10] <danimal_garage> no connection issues other than irc
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[18:52:05] <JT-Shop> wow McMaster Carr sent me a catalog for the shop
[18:52:36] <IchGuckLive> ALL US Shuttel is Starting today 95%
[18:53:14] <bill20r3> JT, how thick is it?
[18:53:43] <danimal_garage> kind of a personal question, aint it?
[18:54:07] <bill20r3> we're all friends here.
[18:54:10] <danimal_garage> haha
[18:54:11] <JT-Shop> 2.950"
[18:54:55] <danimal_garage> lol
[18:55:15] <skunkworks> danimal_garage: what are you using for a client?
[18:55:46] <danimal_garage> mirc
[18:56:12] <archivist> heh!, get of windaz and onto a real os
[18:56:15] <skunkworks> huh - have you tried joining #ubuntu to see if your connection last longer?
[18:56:52] <danimal_garage> it cant be just me, the whole channel quits and rejoins at times
[18:57:04] <skunkworks> oh - you are seeing netsplits.
[18:57:21] <skunkworks> probably not your fault. ;)
[18:57:30] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: try a different server
[18:57:32] <archivist> there have been nesplits the last few days
[18:57:38] <danimal_garage> ah
[18:58:15] <danimal_garage> i gotta run to home depot, i need to install some ducting and a bathroom fan into my lathe or something, this smoke is killing me
[18:58:31] <danimal_garage> probably litterally
[18:58:37] <archivist> irc is not perfect, and does have the odd bit of server shuffling and dos attacks
[18:58:48] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: bathroom fan is only like 65CFM, not enough
[18:59:37] <danimal_garage> archivist, just seems more frequent lately
[18:59:47] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, what do you suggest?
[18:59:52] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: a dust collector would be better 950CFM @ 0" Static Pressure
[19:00:08] <danimal_garage> a bit noisy though, huh?
[19:00:20] <danimal_garage> how about a stove hood?
[19:00:27] <Jymmm> the red HF can be turned down using router speed control
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[19:00:51] <danimal_garage> i have an old stove hood
[19:00:51] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: http://www.harborfreight.com/1-hp-mini-dust-collector-94029.html
[19:01:11] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: http://www.harborfreight.com/router-speed-control-43060.html
[19:01:18] <danimal_garage> cool
[19:01:20] <Jymmm> Both of those go on sale frequently
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[19:01:28] <danimal_garage> i need it today though
[19:01:42] <danimal_garage> :/
[19:01:53] <Tom_itx> damn isp
[19:01:55] <danimal_garage> do they carry it in the stores ya think?
[19:02:03] <Tom_itx> need what?
[19:02:05] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Yes, both of them
[19:02:29] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: just call to make sure they are in stock and ask them to hold them for you
[19:02:36] <danimal_garage> cool
[19:02:50] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, do you know how loud it is?
[19:03:02] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: They also offer a 1yr replacement warranty for the Dc for $11 iirc
[19:03:46] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Yes, i have them both. It's not Office quiet, but turned down I can stand over it while running for 20+ minutes at a time.
[19:04:06] <danimal_garage> cool
[19:04:16] <danimal_garage> quieter than a small shop vac?
[19:04:21] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: I use it for the laser to exhaust the smoke/fumes
[19:04:28] <danimal_garage> ahh
[19:04:34] <JT-Shop> finally found some reaming speeds and feeds that work and are easy to remember
[19:04:35] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: At full speed, no.
[19:04:37] <Tom_itx> you gettin smoked outta your shop?
[19:04:58] <danimal_garage> Tom_itx, yes
[19:05:20] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, what do you think about a stove hood?
[19:05:23] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: You could also build an air scrubber if you can't exhaust outdoors.
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[19:05:52] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, how, using air conditioner filters?
[19:05:59] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Eh, with this, youcan move it to saw too if needed, can't do that with a stove hood.
[19:06:12] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: activated carbon pellets.
[19:06:15] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, only need it for the lathe
[19:06:40] <danimal_garage> i'll probably hard wire it into the coolant pump circuit
[19:06:49] <Tom_itx> stove exhaust fans aren't likely made for continuous use
[19:07:07] <danimal_garage> it wont be running non stop
[19:07:16] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: If you want longer hose runs, use 6" hose with a 4 to 6 " adapter. That will be less resistance in the hose.
[19:07:28] <danimal_garage> ok
[19:07:52] <Tom_itx> i ran a 10" to an old furnace blower in my attic
[19:08:03] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: hit a local hydroponics store for cheap 6" hose
[19:08:08] <danimal_garage> ha neat
[19:08:22] <Tom_itx> put the blower in a box and ran duct to it
[19:08:31] <Tom_itx> works great
[19:08:36] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, not sure if i want to go in one of those, they probably already think i'm growing with my huge electrical bill
[19:08:44] <danimal_garage> :)
[19:08:58] <JT-Shop> plug it into your neighbors house
[19:09:02] <danimal_garage> haha
[19:09:07] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: was that to Tom_itx?
[19:09:17] <danimal_garage> they might notice the $450 jump
[19:09:29] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, no, to you
[19:09:34] <Jymmm> Furnace blowers are low CFM, just be aware of that
[19:09:46] <Jymmm> <200 CFM typically
[19:09:56] <danimal_garage> i'm gunna run to harbor freight now i guess
[19:09:59] <Tom_itx> you wouldn't need more than that
[19:10:02] <danimal_garage> thanks for the tips
[19:10:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: For smoke, hell yes.
[19:10:21] <Tom_itx> not the one i have
[19:10:29] <Tom_itx> 10" duct?
[19:10:30] <danimal_garage> bbl
[19:10:34] <Jymmm> You dont generate a lot of smoke then =)
[19:10:52] <Jymmm> I've filled the entire garage in 10 minutes
[19:10:52] <Tom_itx> i can turn the whole shop air in prolly 5 min or slightly more
[19:11:05] <JT-Shop> well that PIA part is done time to make some parts on the lathe
[19:11:21] <Jymmm> set off the smoke detector too
[19:11:32] <Tom_itx> catch it at the source before it disapates all over the place
[19:12:28] <Jymmm> I did, that's the issue.
[19:12:45] <Jymmm> I generate THAT much smkoke is the issue
[19:13:00] <Tom_itx> oh
[19:13:08] <Tom_itx> maybe you need more flood coolant
[19:13:29] <Jymmm> I can't have the smoke/vapors linger in the laser; it'll damage the optics
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[19:13:42] <Tom_itx> oh.. you're doing laser
[19:13:48] <bill20r3> Mmmlasery
[19:13:50] <Tom_itx> you wouldn't want coolant flooding that
[19:13:52] <Jymmm> with sharks!!! ;)
[19:14:07] <Jymmm> Nah
[19:14:22] <Jymmm> coolant + laser bad joo joo
[19:15:19] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://i51.tinypic.com/2jttp2.jpg
[19:15:25] <Tom_itx> what sort of feedrates do you run with a laser/
[19:15:26] <Tom_itx> ?
[19:15:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://i52.tinypic.com/2rdahj5.jpg
[19:16:02] <Tom_itx> i saw the keyboard cover
[19:16:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: laser is not like maching. Each material is different, be it plastic, glass, stone, wood, foam, cloth, paper, etc
[19:16:45] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: keyboard cover?
[19:16:51] <Tom_itx> umm i think
[19:17:15] <Jymmm> no idea what that would be, nothign I've done.
[19:17:30] <Tom_itx> maybe it was something else but it was displayed in different colors
[19:17:48] <Jymmm> not byme
[19:18:16] <Tom_itx> did you build your laser?
[19:18:24] <Jymmm> no
[19:19:39] <Jymmm> Those two pics I gave are engraved on clear acrylic BLUE LED night lights
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[19:20:52] <Tom_itx> how big is the laser? 40-60mw?
[19:21:00] <Jymmm> 30W
[19:21:09] <Tom_itx> i don't know alot about em
[19:22:35] <Tom_itx> do you do stencils?
[19:22:54] <Jymmm> In what material? Plastic?
[19:23:13] <Tom_itx> for electronics paste mask
[19:23:24] <Tom_itx> what i've gotten was kapton
[19:24:49] <Jymmm> .003" ?
[19:24:49] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencils.jpg
[19:24:55] <Tom_itx> i think so
[19:25:52] <Jymmm> where did you get those stencils from?
[19:25:58] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Stencils/stencil_form4.jpg
[19:26:33] <Tom_itx> http://www.ohararp.com/Stencils.html
[19:28:27] <Jymmm> they use a 1.5" lens, i have 2" lens, but it could be possible be possible.
[19:29:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Are you look at one-offs or quantity?
[19:30:15] <Tom_itx> i don't do alot of them
[19:30:21] <Tom_itx> those last quite a while
[19:30:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I didn't know if yu were selling the PCB + Stencil is why I was asking.
[19:30:51] <Tom_itx> something you could get into if you wanted to
[19:31:06] <Tom_itx> i'm selling the assembled boards
[19:31:10] <Tom_itx> i use the stencils
[19:31:44] <Tom_itx> i've got a toaster oven setup
[19:31:48] <ds3> Tom_itx: how much are the stenciles running you?
[19:31:49] <Tom_itx> for reflow
[19:32:12] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Maybe, but one-offs I probably couldn't do much better pricing than they offer, Kaypot is not cheap, like $12 SF
[19:32:23] <Jymmm> Kapton
[19:32:34] <Jymmm> and that's MY price.
[19:32:38] <Tom_itx> he gets $25 for a 8.5 x 11 and you can submit multiple designs for that but if you don't use the whole sheet you get what you get which i think is real fair
[19:32:49] <Tom_itx> kapton is $300 / lb
[19:33:25] <Jymmm> If you wanted quantity, then I could probably do better pricing
[19:33:35] <Tom_itx> i don't need any right now
[19:33:43] <Tom_itx> just thought i'd throw it out for you
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[19:34:16] <Tom_itx> you'd need gerber edit software etc
[19:34:34] <Tom_itx> i dunno what he uses
[19:34:37] <Jymmm> thanks. I have a *LOT* of one-off designs/product/ideas, that's the problem =)
[19:34:40] <Tom_itx> but he did shrink some pads for me
[19:34:59] <Tom_itx> you're lookin for large run stuff?
[19:35:08] <Jymmm> or repeat orders
[19:35:26] <Jymmm> doens't have to be LARGE qty, just qty
[19:35:34] <Tom_itx> yeah
[19:35:54] <Jymmm> design and setup is where the cost is at.
[19:36:00] <Tom_itx> always
[19:36:42] <Tom_itx> i wonder how it would look if you laser etched some txt in a lid
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[19:36:50] <Tom_itx> then filled that in with paint
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[19:37:05] <Jymmm> I'd probably charge $50 for the first, then like $18 for each additional or so
[19:37:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/USBTinyMkII_Blue.jpg
[19:37:28] <Tom_itx> i've been trying to figure out a good way to do those
[19:37:34] <Jymmm> If the qty was high enough I could buy yhe Kapton in bulk.
[19:37:38] <Tom_itx> right now i just silk screen em myself
[19:38:00] <Tom_itx> it would cost me too much to do much of anything else with em
[19:38:27] <Tom_itx> i gotta go mill some more boxes today or this weekend
[19:38:42] <Tom_itx> doesn't take long, just has to be done
[19:38:48] <cpresser_> Tom_itx: how do you fix the boxes?
[19:38:58] <Tom_itx> what do you mean?
[19:39:06] <cpresser_> when milling
[19:39:11] <cpresser_> how do you clamp them down
[19:39:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what are those boxes you linked to?
[19:39:22] <Jymmm> USBTINY MKII
[19:39:31] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/milling2.jpg
[19:39:40] <Tom_itx> it's an avr programmer
[19:39:41] <cpresser_> i think its an avr-programmer?
[19:39:45] <Jymmm> ah
[19:39:52] <Tom_itx> does alot more than most
[19:40:28] <cpresser_> so you are milling each case seperately?
[19:40:35] <Tom_itx> yes
[19:40:45] <cpresser_> i have a similar product :) thats why i am asking
[19:40:57] <Tom_itx> what is it?
[19:41:24] <cpresser_> basically a PWM-Contoller
[19:41:34] <cpresser_> data gets in over usb
[19:41:43] <Tom_itx> you can get usb cases
[19:41:48] <Tom_itx> like those thumbdrives
[19:41:54] <Tom_itx> if it's small
[19:42:10] <Tom_itx> these are hammond mfg
[19:42:43] <cpresser_> http://ca.rstenpresser.de/img/atmo_smd_anschluss_led.jpg
[19:42:45] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/silkscreen/lid_cutout1.jpg
[19:42:52] <cpresser_> thats what i use atm
[19:42:52] <Tom_itx> that's how i do the lettering
[19:43:14] <Tom_itx> they have some flat cases similar to that
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[19:43:21] <Tom_itx> they gave me some samples of em
[19:43:36] <cpresser_> currently i am milling 25 of these cases a time using a stencil to mount them
[19:43:49] <Tom_itx> http://www.hammondmfg.com/
[19:43:53] <cpresser_> but i have to glue them down in the stencil, that is a lot of work :/
[19:44:23] <Tom_itx> all i've got right now is a sherline so one at a time is ok with me
[19:44:33] <Tom_itx> those don't move as quick as the others anyway
[19:45:31] <cpresser_> looks like hammond has some nice cases. i will take a detailed look for my next product
[19:45:39] <Tom_itx> they have models for all their cases too
[19:45:58] <Tom_itx> made it alot quicker
[19:46:01] <cpresser_> ah thats great. my current case has nothing. not even a drawing on paper
[19:46:09] <Tom_itx> digikey and mouser etc all sell em
[19:46:24] <Tom_itx> the ones i use are about $1.30 or so
[19:46:32] <cpresser_> we have farnell in europe, they should also sell em
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[19:46:58] <Tom_itx> probably
[19:47:02] <cpresser_> nice. thanks for the link
[19:47:22] <Tom_itx> np
[19:47:36] <cpresser_> if its not to much to ask: how much of these programmers do you sell a week?
[19:47:47] <Tom_itx> it varies alot
[19:47:56] <Tom_itx> lately it's been pretty slow
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[19:48:27] <cpresser_> doesnt sound too god. i for myself cant complain
[19:48:40] <cpresser_> sales are getting higher and higher each month
[19:48:57] <Tom_itx> there are dozens of programmers out there
[19:49:01] <Tom_itx> i knew that going into it
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[19:49:17] <Jymmm> ..and all in Indian! Damn utsourcing bastards!
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[19:50:18] <Tom_itx> the one without the case is by far more popular
[19:50:21] <Tom_itx> it's cheaper
[19:50:27] <Tom_itx> those cheap bastards
[19:50:32] <cpresser_> so far i am using microchip µC. but perhaps i will change to atmel
[19:50:33] <Jymmm> Yeah!
[19:50:49] <cpresser_> i am not offering my stuff without cases :D
[19:50:51] <Tom_itx> some asked for a case version so i did one up
[19:51:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: just dunk the programmer in plasti-dip and be done with it!
[19:51:11] <Tom_itx> meh
[19:51:12] <cpresser_> requires to much support.. people screw the pcb without a case
[19:51:25] <Tom_itx> i haven't had any problems
[19:51:39] <Tom_itx> some wanted me to kit it but that would be way more trouble
[19:51:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: make it ESD sensative w/o the case =)
[19:51:49] <cpresser_> your customers know how to deal with electronics :)
[19:51:59] <Tom_itx> we hope so
[19:52:34] <Tom_itx> i should get a regular domain and it would likely do better
[19:52:51] <Tom_itx> i just did it to help out the community a bit
[19:53:25] <Tom_itx> and i like making boards etc
[19:54:53] <Tom_itx> ahh you're the one!
[19:55:03] <Tom_itx> http://ca.rstenpresser.de/~cpresser/tmp/pictures/unsorted/fluegel/IMG_0056.jpg
[19:55:10] <cpresser_> yes. thats also me :)
[19:55:29] <Tom_itx> that's what i was describing to Jymmm
[19:55:31] <cpresser_> tell me, as soon as the boxed version is available again, ill order one
[19:55:41] <Tom_itx> i'm lazy
[19:55:54] <Tom_itx> i should get some out early next week i hope
[19:55:55] <cpresser_> me to. so i was asking :D
[19:56:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: wth kind of sign is that?
[19:56:41] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: lit on two edges?
[19:56:46] <Tom_itx> ask cpresser_
[19:57:09] <Jymmm> cpresser_: wth kind of sign is that?
[19:57:10] <cpresser_> ist quite a difficult design.. ill search some more pictures..
[19:57:41] <Tom_itx> cpresser_, it might be a bit longer. i just noticed i'm outta boards too so i'll have to reflow some of those, mill the boxes, paint the lid and keep the old lady happy all at once
[19:58:58] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Oh, I see it now.
[19:59:11] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Do you have LEDs on the edge too?
[19:59:27] <cpresser_> yes. its full of LEDs
[19:59:41] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Right, but WHERE are they is what I'm asking.
[19:59:46] <cpresser_> the customer requested 'pimp my piano'
[19:59:59] <cpresser_> just a moment.. pictures are coming soon
[20:00:17] <Jymmm> I see the pole; is the LEDs along the same line?
[20:00:36] <Jymmm> or on the edges of the acrylic?
[20:00:47] <Jymmm> http://ca.rstenpresser.de/~cpresser/tmp/pictures/unsorted/fluegel/IMG_0065.jpg
[20:01:07] <Jymmm> I (think) I see 4 sources there
[20:01:09] <Tom_itx> crap, now i gotta get busy :)
[20:01:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: GIT ER DONE!
[20:01:20] <Tom_itx> and my atom is due in tomorrow
[20:01:21] <cpresser_> yes
[20:01:24] <Tom_itx> crap crap crap
[20:01:24] <cpresser_> 4 sources
[20:01:37] <Jymmm> cpresser_: ok
[20:01:58] <Jymmm> cpresser_: How are you attaching the LED strips to the edge?
[20:02:09] <Jymmm> peel and stick?
[20:02:11] <cpresser_> ah damm.. my english is to bad do descripe precisely
[20:02:17] <Tom_itx> cpresser_, just check the page later next week. i should get some done up soon. i have all the parts in now
[20:02:33] <cpresser_> http://ca.rstenpresser.de/~cpresser/tmp/pictures/unsorted/fluegel/blah/IMGP1133.jpg
[20:02:40] <cpresser_> http://ca.rstenpresser.de/~cpresser/tmp/pictures/unsorted/fluegel/blah/IMGP1135.jpg
[20:02:47] <cpresser_> thats the 'markusnowak.com' sign
[20:02:57] <Jymmm> k
[20:03:03] <cpresser_> its 3mm acrylic. the font is cut out as negative
[20:03:22] <Jymmm> right
[20:03:39] <cpresser_> then 20mm clear acrylic makes the psoitive letters (about 50% of the material is now in chips)
[20:03:48] <cpresser_> i mount the 20mm clear from the backside
[20:04:07] <cpresser_> put led-stripes all around the about 10mm left of the 20mm
[20:04:23] <Jymmm> using peel and stick adhesive?
[20:04:41] <cpresser_> no. special glue for acryl
[20:04:57] <cpresser_> it cant be unmounted now :)
[20:05:09] <cpresser_> fixed forever.
[20:05:12] <Jymmm> that would mean the LEDs are in an acrylic sleeve of soem sort.
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[20:06:03] <cpresser_> ah no. not exactly. hard to explain with my english skills without a proper sketch
[20:06:42] <cpresser_> i use led-stripe. they are about 3mm thick and 10mm wide
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[20:06:55] <Jymmm> no rush, when you have a close up photo let me know
[20:07:01] <cpresser_> i put them around a 10mm acrylic sheet
[20:07:13] <cpresser_> (no photos are to be found. i didn take one)
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[20:07:29] <Jymmm> of the LED strips
[20:08:02] <cpresser_> default stripes. http://ca.rstenpresser.de/img/shop/rgb_stripe.jpg
[20:08:34] <Jymmm> cpresser_: what did you put over the LED strip to protect it?
[20:09:04] <cpresser_> 3mm black acryl. i build a case around it.
[20:09:12] <Jymmm> ah
[20:09:24] <cpresser_> for other projects i use extruded alumiunium profiles
[20:09:35] <Jymmm> ok
[20:09:48] <cpresser_> U-Profiles, which are 12mm wide, so i can fit both a 12mm acryl and the LED stripe in
[20:10:06] <Jymmm> gotcha
[20:11:10] <cpresser_> thats also the way the LEDs are hidden at the wing of the piano
[20:11:36] <cpresser_> its an easy design. cheap. and gives a nice optic
[20:11:44] <Jymmm> =)
[20:12:26] <cpresser_> when working with LEDs an acryl, this is always the hard part: hide the leds :)
[20:12:34] <Jymmm> heh
[20:13:27] <cpresser_> another design i like to manufacture: http://www.construvision.de/tl_files/construvision/Leuchtbilder/Leuchtbild%20Liebe%20rot%201024.jpg
[20:13:38] <cpresser_> http://www.construvision.de/tl_files/construvision/Leuchtbilder/Sockel%20gruen-%201024.jpg
[20:13:59] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Did you make the LED base?
[20:14:30] <cpresser_> yes. its also acryl
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[20:14:53] <Jymmm> cpresser_: You cut allthe way thru, then covered the bottom?
[20:15:11] <cpresser_> yes. cutting from the bottom
[20:15:23] <Jymmm> cpresser_: how does the insert stay in place?
[20:15:40] <cpresser_> it falls out if you turn the whole thing over
[20:15:42] <Jymmm> cpresser_: (like in the Kanji pic)
[20:15:53] <Jymmm> cpresser_: but is it snug?
[20:16:10] <cpresser_> not always :/
[20:16:14] <cpresser_> i am woking on that point
[20:16:26] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Heh. How thick black acrylic?
[20:16:27] <rooks> cpresser_, nice work :)
[20:16:35] <cpresser_> its hard to archieve, since acrylic 12mm may also be 12.8 or 11.2mm thick
[20:16:40] <Jymmm> cpresser_: what rooks said
[20:16:47] <cpresser_> it has quite an allowance
[20:16:48] <Jymmm> cpresser_: ah, ok
[20:17:04] <cpresser_> 20% for cast acryl, 10% for extruded
[20:17:14] <cpresser_> the black acryl is 20mm
[20:17:41] <Jymmm> oh shit - Not sure If I can cut through that with my laser
[20:18:01] <Jymmm> maybe once I get the air assist working.
[20:18:21] <cpresser_> how much power does your laser have?
[20:19:14] <Jymmm> cpresser_: 30W, I can do 1/4" in two passes. 1st pass does about 95%. This is all without air assist which would allow me deeper
[20:20:01] <Jymmm> cpresser_: But you gave me an idea.... I can do 2x .250" and sandich them together
[20:20:48] <Jymmm> cpresser_: do you just cover the bottom with felt or something?
[20:21:13] <cpresser_> 1/4", 3.15mm thats not much. black material is even harder to cut with laser
[20:21:30] <cpresser_> and sandwich isnt easy either :/
[20:21:47] <Jymmm> yeah, i know =)
[20:22:27] <Jymmm> cpresser_: 12mm thick insert?
[20:22:34] <cpresser_> ill send you some details of my design, if you promise not to sweep the german market :)
[20:22:54] <Jymmm> cpresser_: I don't ship outside the US =)
[20:23:13] <Jymmm> cpresser_: I hate dealing with Customs Forms
[20:23:28] <cpresser_> same here, Jymmm
[20:24:01] <Jymmm> cpresser_: http://i51.tinypic.com/2jttp2.jpg
[20:24:15] <Jymmm> cpresser_: http://i52.tinypic.com/2rdahj5.jpg
[20:25:30] <Jymmm> cpresser_: PNS camera, so out of focus
[20:25:53] <cpresser_> i just got a camera for 1000€ to be able to make nice pictures.
[20:26:03] <cpresser_> tipp: make pictures from the wrong side and mirror them
[20:26:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, I need to get a replacement DSLR for my stolen one.
[20:27:00] <Jymmm> I had a Nikon D70 <sniff>
[20:27:46] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Hard to photograph CLEAR acrylic that's edge lit =)
[20:27:57] <Jymmm> cpresser_: I need to get a light tent too
[20:28:00] <cpresser_> hehe, most of the pictures you saw were also taken with a D70 (my friend owns one)
[20:28:19] <cpresser_> check my other companys homepage: http://www.construvision.de/
[20:28:22] <Jymmm> Yeah, I loved it. till the bastard stole it out of my car
[20:28:24] <cpresser_> there are some pictures
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[20:29:28] <Tom_itx> well the case came. i guess i can sit here and look at an empty box
[20:29:55] <Jymmm> cpresser_: is this a image or photo of the actual model?
[20:29:58] <Jymmm> http://www.construvision.de/tl_files/construvision/img/modellbau/Pappmodell%20%28%20bearbeitet%29%20SW-1024%20.jpg
[20:30:00] <Tom_itx> i like my d80
[20:30:16] <cpresser_> that is an actual modell
[20:30:23] <cpresser_> cut of of paper with an laser
[20:30:34] <Jymmm> cpresser_: plywood or foam board?
[20:30:47] <cpresser_> the german word is 'finnpappe'
[20:30:56] <cpresser_> its just thick paper
[20:31:00] <cpresser_> no foam, no wood
[20:31:29] <Jymmm> heavy?
[20:32:25] <cpresser_> dont get the question, sorry
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[20:32:54] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Is it heavy material? Like MDF ?
[20:32:59] <Jymmm> dense
[20:33:12] <Jymmm> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Finnpappe.jpg
[20:33:16] <cpresser_> not like MDF. more like 250gramm paper
[20:33:35] <cpresser_> 'regular' paper is 80g/m^2
[20:33:45] <cpresser_> (sorry all units are SI^^)
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[20:34:32] <Jymmm> cpresser_: No, I'm trying to find a US version of it
[20:36:04] <cpresser_> its quite common for architects when they are building scale models
[20:36:14] <cpresser_> but i cant provide you with a product name
[20:36:33] <cpresser_> but ill ask a friend tomorrow, he should know
[20:36:45] <Jymmm> cpresser_: Oh, ok. that would be great.
[20:37:15] <Jymmm> cpresser_: I'm always looking for new materials
[20:37:44] <atmega328> that looks like plain old foam board
[20:37:59] <Jymmm> atmega328: I know, he says it's not though.
[20:38:49] <atmega328> Finnpappe (actually Finnish machine wood pasteboard) is in more cardboard-like Material, which serves particularly in the model construction
[20:38:51] <atmega328> nifty
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[20:51:38] <JT-Shop> anyone http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,18/id,7436/lang,english/#7436
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[20:54:20] <awallin_> JT-Shop: ummm.... emc2 on gpu.... should we laugh or cry?
[20:54:57] <atmega328> that would be awfully vendor specific
[20:56:54] <JT-Shop> I think the former
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[21:05:26] <bill20r3> bwah
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[21:10:05] <JT-Shop> come on one of you guys can answer him :)
[21:10:15] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, thanks for the tip on the blower, it will likely work fine
[21:10:30] <danimal_garage> it's not too loud with the router speed control
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[21:11:34] <danimal_garage> got it 20% off
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[21:13:12] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Cool beans, glad it'll work out for you too. It's small enough to be portable and useful for other thigns too
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[21:14:00] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Ironically, if you place a 4" to 2.5" adapter over the exhaust, it's quieter too.
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[21:35:17] <skunkworks> JT-Shop: isn't he confused? I think he thinks for some reason that emc is running on the gpu. which it isn't. maybe he is having shared video memory problems and that is why he thinks emc is running on the gpu? but then again - reading comprehension is not my strong point (as is spelling)
[21:36:06] <skunkworks> or grammar
[21:39:22] <JT-Shop> heh me neither
[21:39:35] <JT-Shop> I don't have a clue where he got that idea...
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[21:41:07] <psha> JT-Shop: tried to anwser
[21:43:48] <bill20r3> "the gpu is warm, emc must be doing it!"
[21:47:46] <JT-Shop> psha: good answer
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[22:02:30] <psha> JT-Shop: i'm using open video driver for my HD2400 ati video card and it's always HOT
[22:02:47] <psha> so that's common problem
[22:03:06] <psha> power managment was added only in late 2010
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[22:17:27] <JT-Shop> on the video card level?
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[22:20:33] <danimal_garage> yay, i now have ducting
[22:20:58] <danimal_garage> hopefully it's enough
[22:21:00] <bill20r3> Mmm ducty
[22:21:26] <danimal_garage> i may run a piece over closer to the spindle
[22:25:37] <danimal_garage> that router speed adjuster gets a tad warm
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[22:32:42] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, you did good
[22:33:32] <danimal_garage> i have it set in the middle of the green zone on the router speed control and there's no smoke in the shop
[22:33:49] <danimal_garage> and it's quieter than the lathe
[22:40:49] <danimal_garage> I may hook it up to emc and have it turn on and off with a user defined m code. I'll run it through ladder so it stays on for a certain amount of time after the program ends.
[22:41:55] <danimal_garage> i may put it inside the base of the lathe as well, then i probably wont even hear it
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[23:07:52] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: =)
[23:08:34] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: what/where did you get the duct from?
[23:11:37] <danimal_garage> home depot
[23:11:50] <danimal_garage> 4" dia aluminum
[23:12:01] <Jymmm> the foiled dryer stuff or the 100% aluminum stuff?
[23:12:11] <danimal_garage> foil junk
[23:12:29] <danimal_garage> wanted to try it before o gpt fancy
[23:12:31] <Jymmm> be careful that can catch on fire
[23:12:51] <Jymmm> the DC is strong enough to suck in hot metal
[23:13:02] <Jymmm> Just FYI
[23:13:48] <Jymmm> HD has the 100% aluminum flex duct and it's the same price as the foil stuff
[23:14:28] <danimal_garage> thanks, should be ok, it's on the opposite end of the lathe than the spindle
[23:14:32] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: your duct has the wire gong thru it?
[23:14:38] <danimal_garage> yes
[23:14:39] <Jymmm> going
[23:14:53] <Jymmm> Yeah, there is the 100% aluminum for the same price
[23:15:28] <Jymmm> and it'll stay in place where you adust it to
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[23:16:11] <danimal_garage> this was easier to work with for my application
[23:16:17] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Also, be leert of the suck side of the DC, it can collapse the hose =)
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[23:16:28] <Jymmm> leery
[23:16:39] <danimal_garage> i have it turned down pretty low
[23:16:45] <danimal_garage> time for lunch, bbl!
[23:16:49] <Jymmm> k
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[23:27:29] <jthornton> emcrules_d510mo: you around
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[23:46:59] <emcrules_d510mo> yep
[23:48:07] <L84Supper> Jymmm: how large an area are you able to laser etch?
[23:50:38] <emcrules_d510mo> jthornton, you still there?
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[23:59:35] <Tom_itx> danimal_garage what blower did you end up getting?