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[00:03:45] <cradek> alex_joni: I think at least some of those are really good indicators
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[01:09:35] <Valen> any of you guys milled glass?
[01:09:40] <Valen> as in propper machining ;->
[01:15:48] <i_tarzan> it is grinding
[01:17:00] <atmega> Grizzly once again refused my order and told me to try again April 29.
[01:18:44] <Valen> they don't want your money I guess
[01:19:18] <Valen> i_tarzan: thing is if I search grinding its all people talking about doing the edges of the glass
[01:19:26] <Valen> I want to cut gears
[01:19:54] <atmega> mold them?
[01:21:59] <Valen> need to melt glass then
[01:22:11] <Valen> thats another new skill and a whole bunch of equipment lol
[01:38:16] <elmo40> atmega: what is it you want from grizzly?
[01:38:32] <atmega> a G0704
[01:38:43] <elmo40> Valen: plus, you can use the smelter to melt Al or Copper :)
[01:38:50] <atmega> Gear Head Mill/Drill
[01:38:59] <atmega> http://grizzly.com/products/G0704
[01:46:19] <Emcrules_Laptop> Lucid is not loading the desktop manager for me!! Any ideas on how to fix?
[01:46:55] <Emcrules_Laptop> Sorry bad terminology "window manager"
[01:47:05] <atmega> is X starting?
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[01:52:05] <Emcrules_Laptop> atmega. How would i know. not that savy with linux yet
[01:52:22] <atmega> anything at all on the screen?
[01:52:41] <toastydeath> when raw X starts you get like, a X for a cursor and a black/white checkerboard desktop
[01:53:09] <Emcrules_Laptop> yes just but all windows are missing the minimize and close buttons
[01:53:25] <Emcrules_Laptop> and no programs listed under applications
[01:53:48] <Emcrules_Laptop> cant get to a terminal window
[01:53:59] <atmega> have you rebooted?
[01:54:06] <Emcrules_Laptop> yep 5 times
[01:54:28] <atmega> try ctrl-alt-f1 and see if anything interesting is on that VT
[01:54:39] <Emcrules_Laptop> apparently others have had this issue on the ubuntu fourms
[01:54:40] <atmega> you can get back to X with alt-f7
[01:54:43] <Emcrules_Laptop> will try
[01:55:56] <Emcrules_Laptop> that works takes me back and fourth
[01:56:30] <atmega> login on that vt, look in the logfiles for anything obviouis?
[01:56:47] <atmega> anything in dmesg?
[01:57:31] <Emcrules_Laptop> failed to run component messages
[01:58:52] <Emcrules_Laptop> dmesg ran about 10 pages worth of stuff
[02:00:17] <atmega> anything interesting near the end? what component messages?
[02:01:26] <atmega> you can reboot, pick recovery mode, one of teh options is 'try to fix X' dunno if that will help with just a WM problem though
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[02:04:32] <Emcrules_Laptop> ok i got my minimize and close buttons back but still nothing under applications and no system or preferences under system
[02:05:20] <Emcrules_Laptop> I ran metacity from a launcher
[02:08:24] <atmega> did you just run updates or something?
[02:09:01] <Emcrules_Laptop> no this is a clean instal from live cd
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[02:13:24] <Emcrules_Laptop> ok going to reinstall something must have gone wrong now im getting cant find rtapi when using pncconf
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[03:04:24] <Emcrules_Laptop> reinstalled and it worked for about 5 min and then crashed. Swapping SSD for a hard disk and trying again
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[03:20:37] <cradek> wow, kirk w is sure doing brave work with those parports
[03:27:40] <danimal_garage> lol
[03:28:15] <danimal_garage> what's he doing now? or are you just looking at his older builds?
[03:28:33] <cradek> he's trying many brands of parport and testing EPP functionality and documenting it
[03:28:41] <danimal_garage> ah ok
[03:28:46] <danimal_garage> cool
[03:29:21] <danimal_garage> his shizuoka was all run from parports if i remember right
[03:33:01] <Emcrules_Laptop> looks like lucid did not like my SSD switched to a hard drive and all is fine.
[03:36:14] <cradek> is your ssd defective? seems like that's not as uncommon as you'd hope
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[03:38:02] <Emcrules_Laptop> perhaps its brand new but as you said not so uncommon. Lucid would install fine work for a bit and then something would go wrong and then it was all bets off
[03:38:19] <cradek> linux is really good at reporting hard disk errors in dmesg
[03:38:31] <cradek> if it was doing that, trust it...
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[03:39:24] <Emcrules_Laptop> I did see some mount related messages the first time it crapped out
[03:40:03] <Emcrules_Laptop> second time it showed up in the form of a graphics issue
[03:41:10] <cradek> hmm
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[03:42:14] <Emcrules_Laptop> lucid tried to go into low graphics mode and then just froze and would not boot back up
[03:43:42] <Emcrules_Laptop> when trying to boot back up if i pressed a key I would see failed mount messages
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[03:49:32] <danimal_garage> well everything seems to work after putting together the new enclosure
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[03:52:07] <danimal_garage> but i'm getting realtime delay errors
[03:52:13] <danimal_garage> hmm
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[03:54:13] <danimal_garage> the latency test doesnt look too bad
[03:54:30] <danimal_garage> it's under 12000
[03:54:56] <danimal_garage> any idea why i'd get a warning?
[03:55:10] <Valen> for
[03:55:17] <danimal_garage> i'm using my old hal and ini files
[03:55:24] <danimal_garage> realtime delay
[03:55:28] <Valen> for x problems you want to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:55:47] <danimal_garage> whats an x problem?
[03:56:05] <Valen> somebody was having one before
[03:56:59] <Valen> what board are you using danimal_garage?
[03:57:14] <danimal_garage> d510mo
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[03:58:21] <ChrisHelgesen> Servo tuning question: What is the difference between axis.n.f-error and pid.n.error? Which is the one you are ultimately trying to minimize (I've been assuming f-error), and why are they different?
[03:59:23] <cradek> they are different by the travel that occurs during one servo cycle
[03:59:39] <cradek> definitely tune for minimum axis.N.f-error
[04:00:14] <ChrisHelgesen> Ah...so the PID has one cycle of lag, and you tune this out with FF1 & FF2 once the PID is stable?
[04:00:23] <cradek> exactly
[04:00:36] <danimal_garage> so what is an x problem?
[04:00:41] <cradek> axis.N.f-error is the one to minimize because that's what motion is checking for error
[04:01:22] <cradek> danimal_garage: Xwindows, not X axis
[04:02:22] <ChrisHelgesen> Is there an easy way to introduce a step input? I think I've gotten tuning pretty close using rapid moves, but I'm curious what the response to a step is.
[04:02:41] <cradek> you can generate a square wave with the siggen hal component, but no, it's not easy
[04:02:56] <cradek> you can increase the accel in your ini file to an unreasonably high number
[04:03:08] <danimal_garage> i figured it wasnt an x problem, but i dont know what x windows is either
[04:03:10] <cradek> you'll have to increase the ferror trip limit to be greater than the step size, of course
[04:03:39] <cradek> your pid will never see a step input from emc, so it's fairly moot except for curiousity's sake
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[04:05:17] <danimal_garage> i dmesg'ed it and it says it had some large elapsed clocks between calls to the motion controller that probably mean there's a problem with the realtime configuration
[04:05:38] <cradek> sounds like you get an occasional glitch
[04:05:40] <danimal_garage> this is a fresh install
[04:05:55] <cradek> most common reason is video card or bios settings
[04:06:00] <danimal_garage> hmm
[04:06:36] <danimal_garage> i got one of those atom boards
[04:06:43] <danimal_garage> the d510mo
[04:06:49] <cradek> hm, hope they haven't changed somehow
[04:07:14] <danimal_garage> yea, i got it because it's supposed to be a good platform for emc
[04:07:17] <ChrisHelgesen> I had a video driver latency problem when I re-installed with 10.04. Vesa driver cured it.
[04:07:33] <cradek> yep that's pretty common
[04:07:41] <Valen> i havent used that paticular d510
[04:07:57] <Valen> it the latency spike only when starting openGL windows? I get that
[04:08:18] <danimal_garage> it seems to be when i run emc
[04:08:25] <cradek> Valen: you can fix that by switching to software rendering
[04:08:34] <danimal_garage> i dont use this machine for anything other than emc
[04:08:56] <Valen> cradek: I just don't play games when I run EMC ;-P
[04:09:21] <danimal_garage> the latency looked good when i ran a latency test with glxgears running
[04:10:16] <Valen> run latency test
[04:10:20] <Valen> then start gears
[04:11:01] <danimal_garage> i did
[04:11:15] <Valen> I was getting ~30k spike when that happened
[04:11:15] <cradek> goodnight folks
[04:11:24] <danimal_garage> goodnight cradek
[04:11:39] <ChrisHelgesen> Thanks for the help. :)
[04:11:48] <cradek> welcome
[04:13:02] <Valen> danimal_garage: you can put a scope on your latency while running, take a look at it there see if its an issue with starting EMC or when its running
[04:16:30] <danimal_garage> seems to be when it's running
[04:16:39] <Valen> now thats new
[04:16:39] <danimal_garage> it happens when i'm moving the machine
[04:16:50] <danimal_garage> but i'll check
[04:16:57] <Valen> I've never heard of that before
[04:18:56] <danimal_garage> do you know what pin i check in scope?
[04:19:40] <Valen> not off hand, I saw something with latency on it though at one stage
[04:21:13] <danimal_garage> hmm yea i dont see it
[04:46:48] <Valen> I could be wrong, or its in some version that is or is not around now
[04:47:04] <Valen> I know I've seen it with a meter before
[04:47:26] <Valen> I'll have a look next time i'm in front of the mill
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[05:19:59] <danimal_garage> i noticed hyperthreading was enabled, i disabled that
[05:21:07] <Valen> that'll help
[05:21:13] <Valen> your using 10.04?
[05:22:23] <danimal_garage> yea
[05:22:33] <danimal_garage> well, whatever the current one isd
[05:23:02] <danimal_garage> i havent gotten that error yet so it's definitely better
[05:24:24] <Valen> yeah HT really hurts the RT performance and it'll kill the benifit of the isocpus
[05:24:38] <Valen> check your latency numbers now
[05:25:26] <danimal_garage> i'll have to do it tomorrow, i shut it down
[05:25:34] <Valen> ahh
[05:25:54] <Valen> I didn't know the atoms had HT but it should make a big difference if that was the cause
[05:25:59] <Valen> my latency is ~4000
[05:26:27] <danimal_garage> nice
[05:26:44] <danimal_garage> i didnt know it did either
[05:26:57] <danimal_garage> hence why i didnt spot it when i was in bios
[05:28:10] <danimal_garage> weird, my ssr's are being really sensative, i had to put in a resistor so they'd actually shut off
[05:28:24] <danimal_garage> works fine now though
[05:28:47] <danimal_garage> i'm going to call this build a success :)
[05:29:02] <MattyMatt> that HT thing surprises me, is it a limitation in RT-Linux assuming it's more cores than it really has?
[05:30:10] <danimal_garage> i dunno, i just know it's supposed to be off
[05:30:51] <MattyMatt> it makes sense I guess. I had a little look at what's involved in a real-time kernel and it's fiendishly complicated
[05:31:19] <danimal_garage> well i'm off to eat dinner, goodnight guys
[05:31:28] <danimal_garage> or good morning, depending on where you are
[05:31:34] <danimal_garage> or good afternoon
[05:31:41] <MattyMatt> nearly breakfast time here :)
[05:31:45] <MattyMatt> good night
[05:31:51] <danimal_garage> it's 9:31pm here
[05:47:32] <Valen> its because the schedualer needs to be on an active core to run, if HT has given some other "cpu" operating time then the RT stuff cant halt the running task and take over
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[06:35:36] <MattyMatt> Valen, so the ideal would be one core without HT for the scheduler, and the other with HT for the scheduled tasks?
[06:35:49] <Valen> I spose
[06:36:02] <Valen> I wonder if isocpus set to 2 on a dual core machine would work
[06:36:14] <Valen> having HT enabled on atoms would be nice
[06:36:42] <Valen> if the other core never gets any tasks the HT hardware should never switch it in
[06:36:47] <Valen> I'll give it a try
[06:37:11] <MattyMatt> wow that was a blue sky idea :) I didn't think it was tryable :)
[06:37:28] <MattyMatt> my BS pays off now and then
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[06:52:58] <Valen> the atoms are a bit under powered at times
[06:59:49] <Valen> so switching might help a fair bit with the "usability"
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[07:54:35] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Where did you get/order your big craptop from?
[07:54:49] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Someone I know wants one
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[11:09:52] <TekniQue> hi
[11:09:52] <the_wench> hello TekniQue, you have a question?
[11:10:08] <TekniQue> Is there any software like cutviewer
[11:10:11] <TekniQue> for linux?
[11:10:27] <TekniQue> cutviewer is a visual simulator to view G-code
[11:19:56] <psha> TekniQue: axis :)
[11:20:44] <psha> or pick HEAD, there is gremlin widget
[11:20:49] <psha> and sourceview widget
[11:21:04] <psha> so you may build you own gcode viewer in ~10 clicks...
[11:23:17] <TekniQue> gremlin widget?
[11:31:40] * Valen is also interested in said widget
[11:40:44] <TekniQue> I see
[11:40:51] <TekniQue> gremlin is the default view
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[11:45:23] <psha> that's a part of gladevcp widgets
[11:45:44] <psha> (or standalone utility)
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[13:20:51] <kb8wmc> good morning everyone
[13:22:10] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, http://www.mtechlaptops.com/
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[14:15:07] <pcw_home> danimal_garage should you see this later "weird, my ssr's are being really sensative, i had to put in a resistor so they'd actually shut off"
[14:15:09] <pcw_home> This probably means you are driving the SSRs with the +in connected to 5V and the -in connected to the 5I20.
[14:15:10] <pcw_home> If you do this the SSRs will not turn off completely. The do not turn off completely because the 5I20 outputs in
[14:15:12] <pcw_home> normal push pull mode only swing to 3.3V when high ( off ) leaving 5V-3.3V = 1.7V across the SSR input pins
[14:15:13] <pcw_home> when the SSR should be off.
[14:15:15] <pcw_home> The solution is to enable open-drain mode for the pins that drive the SSRs ( setp someoldpin.is_opendrain true )
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[14:29:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: what did you like/hate about them/it?
[14:29:38] <SWPadnos> you hate the lack of a parallel port :)
[14:29:58] <SWPadnos> the only thing I didn't like was that the power cord comes out very easily on mine
[14:30:27] <SWPadnos> you are talking about the big one, right?
[14:30:28] <Jymmm> anything else? reoslution? battery life? power to compile?
[14:30:32] <Jymmm> yes
[14:30:52] <SWPadnos> ok, yeah, the battery life is typical for a laptop of that class, about 1:40
[14:30:59] <Jymmm> k
[14:31:02] <SWPadnos> which is crap, but expected
[14:31:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: A friend is looking for a dev machine
[14:31:43] <SWPadnos> the newer ones probably last longer, I think the low power i{3,5,7} chips use less than the core2 duo I had
[14:32:08] <SWPadnos> s/had/have/
[14:32:28] <SWPadnos> it's reasonably fast, dual core C2D at 2.2 GHz
[14:33:11] <SWPadnos> what I really like about the larger ones is that you can easily swap out drives, they're in carriers that just have a couple of latches to remove them
[14:33:23] <Jymmm> k
[14:33:26] <SWPadnos> (you screw the drives into the carriers, but swapping carriers is easy)
[14:33:43] <SWPadnos> the resolution is 1920x1200, but I think the newer ones are more likely to be 1920x1080
[14:33:56] <Jymmm> ah
[14:34:25] <SWPadnos> yep, they're all HD now (bastards)
[14:34:33] <Jymmm> lol
[14:34:46] <SWPadnos> 120 pixels is like 10 more lines of code ;)
[14:36:49] <SWPadnos> to be honest, I'd probably go for a Dell XPS L501x right now. They have a 15.6" model with an HD screen, and I think they last 3+ hours on a charge
[14:37:38] <SWPadnos> they're i5 or i3 based, so they can compile OK (I assume), and they have the Nvidia Optimus thing, so you can get good video speed or long battery life (your choice)
[14:38:15] <Jymmm> ah
[14:38:42] <SWPadnos> you have to select the high res screen in the "case color" section, which was startlingly counterintuitive to me
[14:38:45] <Jymmm> http://i55.tinypic.com/14a9deb.jpg
[14:38:54] <SWPadnos> cool
[14:38:58] <SWPadnos> which one is that? :)
[14:39:21] <Jymmm> None that we have =)
[14:39:26] <SWPadnos> ah. Alex?
[14:39:39] <Jymmm> whos alex?
[14:39:54] <SWPadnos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_(parrot)
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[14:41:14] <Jymmm> oh, an african grey,. No more of a green cheeck I think http://www.google.com/images?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=green+cheek&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=epBaTcHBKcu1tgfZwtTLCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CDYQsAQwAA&biw=1057&bih=833&ei=gJBaTYHkFdSftweRhdD9Cg&gbv=2
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[14:41:28] <SWPadnos> the color is off a little in your image ;)
[14:41:47] <Jymmm> ok blue cheeck
[14:42:32] <Jymmm> Heh, the first two rows are all babies
[14:43:50] <Jymmm> Well, the photo is bad (out of focus) and there is just too much resolution for that small of an area that I used.
[14:44:21] <SWPadnos> this is more or less the laptop I have, but updated by a few years: http://www.discountpcsales.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=mtechm8700
[14:45:19] <SWPadnos> actually, that's not bad, $1559 in the default config, which is an i7, 4G,320G, DVDRW, 17.3"1080p screen ...
[14:46:55] <Jymmm> 4 hdd's!?!?!?!?! http://www.discountpcsales.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=EMTECHD9FHD
[14:47:02] <SWPadnos> heh, yeah
[14:47:11] <SWPadnos> but you have to ditch the DVDRW for the fourth
[14:47:40] <SWPadnos> you can do two in RAID with no issues, I think the third requires something special, and the fourth replaces the optical drive
[14:48:17] <SWPadnos> hmm, no, does it do 4? the third drive should use the optical bay
[14:49:14] <Jymmm> thats just obscene
[14:49:31] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:49:45] <SWPadnos> one other thing I should say - I have never had one of their laptops die
[14:49:58] <Jymmm> how many have you had?
[14:49:59] <SWPadnos> I can still fire up the one I bought in early 2001. it's just slow
[14:50:16] <SWPadnos> two personally, and at least two others that I had recommended
[14:50:26] <Jymmm> ah
[14:50:37] <Jymmm> and service/support?
[14:50:46] <SWPadnos> I take care of equipment, but I also travel a lot, and these laptops have gone all over the place with me
[14:51:23] <SWPadnos> I have called about BIOS updates or something, and they're helpful (though I don't think they could do anything about one question I had, I don't remember what it was)
[14:51:41] <SWPadnos> hmm. come to think of it, I think I did blow a USB port on the big laptop
[14:51:49] <Jymmm> 3 external displays?!
[14:51:56] <SWPadnos> other than that, I don't know - I have never used their service department :)
[14:52:08] <Jymmm> how did you blow a usb port?
[14:52:33] <SWPadnos> oh, now I remember. when I dropped a camera on the screen, they said it would take a couple of weeks to get repaired - that's when I asked you to ship me the screen from Papatek
[14:52:44] <Jymmm> ah
[14:52:59] <SWPadnos> not sure, I think it had to do with one of the cameras being powered by my own power supply, and a 24V spike came in
[14:53:09] <Jymmm> heh
[14:53:27] <SWPadnos> that has a habit of killing D945GCLF2D boards entirely (the power controller goes poof)
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[14:54:22] <Jymmm> $12821.00
[14:54:57] <Jymmm> 4x 512GB SSD + 24GB Ram + 3 ext display video card
[14:55:24] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:55:30] <SWPadnos> that might be overkill for some applications
[14:56:01] <Jymmm> like.... a laptop for one
[14:56:19] <SWPadnos> well, if you're doing oil/gas exploration, it's probably not overkill
[14:56:24] <SWPadnos> but for most anything else
[14:56:32] <SWPadnos> unless you need a portable "cave"
[14:56:43] <Jymmm> heh
[14:57:09] <Jymmm> still is obscene though
[14:57:14] <SWPadnos> yes
[14:57:18] <Jymmm> esecpecially in a laptop
[14:57:36] <SWPadnos> was that the M8700? they have more expensive models
[14:57:37] <Jymmm> with all that ging, I'm surprised the case doens't melt
[14:57:50] <SWPadnos> did you add the laptop cooler accessory?
[14:57:57] <Jymmm> (EMTECHD9FHD) Super Customized D9FHD
[14:57:58] <Jymmm> no
[14:58:03] <SWPadnos> ah, ok
[15:00:16] <Jymmm> he might like all the options available there though, we'll see.
[15:00:40] <Jymmm> wont buy them, but nice to know your not locked in
[15:01:18] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: and the video cards in these replaceable without replacing the mobo?
[15:01:27] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: are the video cards in these replaceable without replacing the mobo?
[15:01:29] <SWPadnos> yes, it is in mine
[15:01:33] <SWPadnos> yes, it is in mine
[15:01:35] <Jymmm> k
[15:02:10] <Jymmm> whats ODD
[15:02:16] <Jymmm> Oh optical disk drive
[15:02:34] <Jymmm> 12lbs incl battery
[15:02:40] <Jymmm> and ODD
[15:02:51] <SWPadnos> you can get the price higher if you choose the 40W Xeon processor
[15:03:11] <Jymmm> I bet =)
[15:03:34] <Jymmm> I hope for $12K laptop, it comes with at least one free BJ
[15:03:58] <cradek> and a car
[15:04:02] <SWPadnos> I have it up to $14605, with no accessories
[15:04:10] <Jymmm> lol
[15:04:24] <SWPadnos> oh wait, $14665, with cooling tray ;)
[15:04:36] <SWPadnos> and no OS
[15:04:44] <SWPadnos> which is one reason I originally bought there
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[15:06:36] <Jymmm> lol http://www.m-techlaptops.com/dellvsmtech.htm
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[15:07:32] <SWPadnos> heh
[15:10:34] <Jymmm> http://www.m-techlaptops.com/laptop%20compare%20page.htm
[15:10:51] <cradek> ... a pretty good car
[15:11:43] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, yeah, that's where I start, and I search for 1920 and ignore all else :)
[15:11:46] <Jymmm> with no wheels
[15:11:54] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: =)
[15:12:00] <JT-Work> I like the rebate debit cards you have to work hard to spend every penny from them
[15:12:13] <SWPadnos> and you can't tell how much money is left on them
[15:12:28] <SWPadnos> so you have to (a) keep track yourself or (b) spend it all in one place
[15:12:37] <JT-Work> till you figure out at wally world they take partial payments from debit cards and can tell you how much is left on the card
[15:12:58] <SWPadnos> oh. I don't go there often, so I wouldn't have discovered that one. thanks :)
[15:13:52] <JT-Work> I just happened to be in line behind someone that did that and promptly pulled out a half a dozen cards and wiped them out
[15:14:11] <cradek> whee 20% off $150 at enco
[15:14:26] <Jymmm> woohoo
[15:16:37] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: http://oi52.tinypic.com/xnf62u.jpg
[15:17:02] <SWPadnos> you need a tripod ;)
[15:17:06] <SWPadnos> cool though
[15:17:28] <Jymmm> no, I need a DSLR instead of this PNS camera
[15:18:08] <SWPadnos> well, that helps too
[15:18:20] <Jymmm> with a macro lens
[15:18:44] <Jymmm> and one of those product boxes
[15:20:39] <SWPadnos> nah. those aren't good for photographing self-illuminated objects like that
[15:21:32] <Jymmm> No, not for the night lights. but for other products
[15:21:52] <Jymmm> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/380716-REG/Interfit_INT315_24_Pop_Up_Photo.html
[15:21:54] <SWPadnos> a sheet and a light bulb are OK for those
[15:22:34] <Jymmm> I want no shadows
[15:22:36] <SWPadnos> so that's a nice pop-up sheet
[15:23:25] <Jymmm> I'll need to get the ext lighting too as well as different backdrops for it
[15:24:03] <Jymmm> But I want something compact, not take 4 hours to teardown/setup
[15:34:06] <Jymmm> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PHOTO-STUDIO-TENT-BOX-LIGHT-CUBE-PHOTOGRAPHY-/390287573128?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adef3c088
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[15:41:18] <Jymmm> Um, it's not a good thing to include a photo of hot spots in the product that you are trying to sell that eliminats hot spots... http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/33000337/Images/10/01TNS016-SLE-250-E.jpg
[15:41:38] <cradek> what size items are you photographing?
[15:41:58] <Jymmm> up to 16", so a 24" should work
[15:42:37] <SWPadnos> that's pushing it
[15:42:53] <SWPadnos> the light box should be several times the size of the item you're shooting, I think
[15:42:57] <SWPadnos> at least 2x
[15:43:19] <Jymmm> 16" is rare, 12" typically
[15:43:53] <SWPadnos> then the 24 should be OK, typically :)
[15:44:14] <Jymmm> yeah, might go 36" for the added safety zone
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[15:47:23] <Jymmm> I like this one for the added front cover - always happens that the room lighting is right behind me screwing up the shot http://cgi.ebay.com/32-SOFT-BOX-LIGHT-TENT-SET-PHOTO-STUDIO-5100K-BULBS-/350438656188?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5197c588bc
[15:49:03] <Jymmm> not sure i like the nylon though
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[15:55:01] <Jymmm> http://www.digital-photography-school.com/how-to-make-a-inexpensive-light-tent
[15:57:29] <Connor> pvc works good too.
[15:57:44] <Jymmm> too ghetto of lighting http://images33.fotki.com/v1137/photos/5/559186/6091999/IMG_2485-vi.jpg
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[16:13:56] <archivist> I have used one of those fold out instant http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-PHOTO-STUDIO-TENT-BOX-LIGHT-CUBE-PHOTOGRAPHY-/390287573128?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adef3c088 had some good results
[16:15:54] <archivist> can end up showing material weave though http://gears.archivist.info/gears/p1010057_500.jpg
[16:16:28] <Jymmm> and some hot spots too it seems
[16:16:44] <Jymmm> or is that light coing in from the frot?
[16:16:51] <Jymmm> coming in from the front
[16:19:01] <archivist> flash on the camera
[16:19:16] <Jymmm> couldn't turn that off?
[16:19:52] <archivist> didnt have any other sensible lighting
[16:19:59] <Jymmm> ah
[16:20:24] <Jymmm> Yeah, proper lighting makes the difference
[16:21:02] <archivist> but for the minute it takes to get out fold place item take pic....
[16:22:25] <archivist> and, you need to buy some anti highlight matt spray, dunno where to get but seen a pro use it to good effect
[16:22:38] <Jymmm> cool
[16:23:54] <Connor> Anyone do PCB milling? I'm having a issues getting depth dialed in.. I was thinking about making a floating bed and some sort of depth stop on the router so it'll keep the depth consistant..
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[16:26:48] <archivist> Jymmm, http://www.stanleysonline.co.uk/product-1410.htm
[16:28:17] <Jymmm> Hmmm, i wonder of flat clear coat would do something similar
[16:28:40] <archivist> that stuff whipes off
[16:28:50] <Jymmm> ah
[16:29:35] <archivist> safe for that £1m myng dynasty china vase
[16:30:18] <Jymmm> heh, tell Lloyds of London that when they are there supervising that you are about to spray on a chemical =)
[16:31:12] <archivist> well I watched the pro using it on very expensive pottery
[16:31:45] <archivist> and he showed me the resultant pic too
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[17:04:07] <IchGuckLive> hi all .Can i specify axis Screen to show tool number and also diameeter loadet from the tooltable at G41/42
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[17:06:09] <JT-Work> 2.5 does that
[17:07:39] <IchGuckLive> is there a packet for the Hardy 2.5 available ?
[17:08:00] <IchGuckLive> ubuntu hardy 8.04
[17:08:01] <atmega> Grizzly has finally escalated my lack of customer service, according to their email anyway.
[17:08:19] <JT-Work> packet?
[17:08:30] <IchGuckLive> .deb
[17:09:16] <JT-Work> I think one gets built by the buildbot but I don't know where it lives
[17:09:27] <IchGuckLive> if i come from 2.4.3 i will lose all my mashines installed
[17:11:19] <JT-Work> I run a RIP of 2.5 and use the configs in the emc2/configs directory
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[17:11:54] <JT-Work> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_with_EMC2_package_already_installed
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[17:15:29] <IchGuckLive> thanks
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[17:16:41] <psha> IchGuckLive: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[17:18:18] <IchGuckLive> psha: thanks
[17:18:30] <IchGuckLive> master branch will give me 2.5 ?
[17:19:44] <psha> yes
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[17:20:22] <JT-Work> anyone run the 64 bit master yet?
[17:22:17] <IchGuckLive> what is the diferent from deb to deb-src from the Packetsource
[17:30:20] <psha> IchGuckLive: deb-src is package with sources
[17:30:28] <psha> deb is compiled binary package
[17:31:00] <IchGuckLive> thanks do i have to remove the 2.4.3 first ?
[17:31:29] <psha> yes
[17:32:09] <IchGuckLive> ok
[17:32:46] <danimal_garage> mornin
[17:33:37] <pcw_home> If you just want to try 2.5 the git/RIP route is easy and harmless to your existing installation
[17:33:39] <pcw_home> (worked for me and I'm a linux dummy)
[17:34:08] <skunkworks> I second!
[17:34:25] <IchGuckLive> axis 2.5 is now running !!!!
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[17:34:27] <skunkworks> (worked for me also - not pcw_home is a linux dummy)
[17:34:46] <Connor> whats diff in 2.5 vs 2.4.3 ?
[17:34:55] <pcw_home> danimal_garage did you see my note about your SSR problem?
[17:35:08] <danimal_garage> i seem to be getting a realtime delay warning with my new build
[17:35:10] <IchGuckLive> so where now can i get the tool info on the screen ???
[17:35:18] <danimal_garage> no, i'll go back and check
[17:37:19] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, i tried running them in opendrain but it still did it
[17:37:54] <psha> pcw_home: installing 2.5 package is really more simple
[17:38:03] <psha> debian has nearly bullet proof package manager
[17:38:17] <IchGuckLive> psha: agree
[17:40:25] <pcw_home> danimal_garage I would check the output voltages, in open drain mode the outputs should be 5V when off so 0V across SSR
[17:41:34] <danimal_garage> it wasnt quite zero when off
[17:41:39] <danimal_garage> but it was 5v
[17:41:42] <danimal_garage> when on
[17:43:04] <Connor> what.. axis 2.5 ? what ver comes with emc 2.4.4 ?
[17:43:47] <danimal_garage> when in opendrain on the 7i42, i connect the + from the 5v connector on the 7i42 to the + on the ssr, then hook the negative from the ssr to the gpio pin on the 7i42, right?
[17:44:06] <psha> Connor: axis 2.5 == axis from emc 2.5
[17:47:29] <danimal_garage> hmmm why am i getting runtime delay errors when emc is running? the latency test looks good
[17:49:38] <danimal_garage> the servo thread is 10,000 and the base thread is 12,000, however dmesg says iu have spikes upwards of 700,000
[17:53:09] <IchGuckLive> There is a fault in EMC-Hal-Sim-Mini if i klick on tool the Diameter and the Length has changed the sides
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[18:17:55] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, what were you saying before about the new PID for 2.4.x? Do i need to change my config files at all, or is it pretty much the same as far as that's concerned? I'm pretty much using the same ini and hal files from 2.3.x
[18:19:53] <pcw_home> The new PID comp has some new pins, one of which you will need to connect in HAL for any benefit
[18:20:11] <danimal_garage> ah ok cool, i'll check it out
[18:20:12] <danimal_garage> thanks
[18:20:50] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, did you see my reply about the ssr?
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[18:21:04] <danimal_garage> i know everyone got booted shortly after i posted it
[18:22:27] <pcw_home> no
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[18:24:03] <danimal_garage> when in opendrain on the 7i42, i connect the + from the 5v connector on the 7i42 to the + on the ssr, then hook the negative from the ssr to the gpio pin on the 7i42, right?
[18:26:50] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, if that's correct, then i tried opendrain
[18:28:34] <pcw_home> yes
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[18:28:57] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, yea i had it that way first. it didn't turn the ssr's off
[18:29:12] <pcw_home> To use the new feature of the PID comp you need to connect hm2_5i20.0.encoder.XX.velocity to the pid.XXfeedback-deriv pin of the new PID comp
[18:29:27] <SWPadnos> did you wire it that way and also set pin.xx.is_opendrain 1 ?
[18:29:33] <danimal_garage> i had it as opendrain and inverted in hal
[18:29:34] <SWPadnos> danimal_garage, ^^
[18:30:00] <SWPadnos> ok
[18:30:42] <danimal_garage> SWPadnos, i had it as opendrain 0
[18:30:49] <pcw_home> Well something is wrong, Can you check th GPIO output voltage when off? (and is_opendrain is set true)
[18:30:59] <SWPadnos> danimal_garage, ??
[18:31:15] <SWPadnos> there should be a *.is_opendrain parameter for every GPIO
[18:31:24] <danimal_garage> really?
[18:31:24] <SWPadnos> you need to setp that to 1
[18:31:27] <SWPadnos> yes
[18:31:28] <danimal_garage> hm
[18:31:40] <danimal_garage> i dont
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[18:31:51] <SWPadnos> something like "setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.73.is_opendrain 1"
[18:32:01] <SWPadnos> with correct spelling for your board, of course
[18:32:17] <SWPadnos> (I shouldn't have chosen 73, I guess :) )
[18:32:40] <danimal_garage> yea, none of my gpio's have an opendrain parameter if they arent opendrain
[18:33:14] <danimal_garage> i wasnt aware you needed it. opps.
[18:34:05] <danimal_garage> SWPadnos, you're a photographer, right?
[18:34:22] <SWPadnos> no, but I play one for some TV channels
[18:34:26] <danimal_garage> lol
[18:34:53] <danimal_garage> i had a photographer here for wired magazine. the equipment was impressive
[18:34:55] <SWPadnos> I'm probably responsible for more still photographs than the average pro too :)
[18:35:15] <danimal_garage> filled up half my livingroom with equipment
[18:35:20] <SWPadnos> I'm sure. remember the equipment brands?
[18:35:37] <danimal_garage> his main camera was a pentax i believe
[18:35:52] <danimal_garage> the other one was a cannon, it had a huge body
[18:35:53] <SWPadnos> medium format? (like the 645?)
[18:36:03] <danimal_garage> no clue
[18:36:03] <SWPadnos> still or motion?
[18:36:06] <danimal_garage> still
[18:36:09] <SWPadnos> huh
[18:36:17] <SWPadnos> I guess huge is relative
[18:36:29] <danimal_garage> he had all this lighting with transponders
[18:36:39] <SWPadnos> PocketWizards
[18:36:41] <danimal_garage> yea, well it dwarfed my slr
[18:36:43] <SWPadnos> most likely
[18:37:05] <danimal_garage> pretty interesting setup
[18:37:18] <danimal_garage> his name was Andrew Tingle, from nyc
[18:37:49] <SWPadnos> these? http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/ac3%20zonecontroller/
[18:37:51] <danimal_garage> it was an 8 hour photoshoot
[18:38:00] <SWPadnos> I don't recognize that name, but then I wouldn't
[18:38:05] <SWPadnos> you a model or something? :)
[18:38:33] <danimal_garage> no, it was bigger and had an antenna on it
[18:38:46] <SWPadnos> http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/multimax/
[18:38:50] <danimal_garage> no, they were taking pictures of my shop
[18:38:55] <SWPadnos> with display or without? :)
[18:39:11] <SWPadnos> this would be the no display version: http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/plus%20ii/
[18:39:31] <danimal_garage> something like that
[18:39:41] <SWPadnos> I started that company :)
[18:39:45] <SWPadnos> with two friends
[18:39:57] <danimal_garage> although i did have to sign a model release!
[18:40:02] <danimal_garage> ha! cool
[18:40:25] <SWPadnos> what's the article about?
[18:40:29] <SWPadnos> if you can tell me (and the world)
[18:40:53] <danimal_garage> home businesses
[18:41:01] <danimal_garage> or something of that sorts
[18:41:03] <SWPadnos> oh, neat
[18:41:25] <danimal_garage> they wanted to do a step by step on how i make one of my products, and they asked how i got started, etc
[18:41:42] <danimal_garage> emc should be mentioned!
[18:41:44] <SWPadnos> do you know which issue it should be in? (or on the web)
[18:41:55] <danimal_garage> april issue, probably print and web
[18:41:56] <SWPadnos> nice
[18:42:05] <danimal_garage> definitely print at least
[18:42:14] <SWPadnos> cool. I'll try to remember to buy a copy
[18:42:22] <danimal_garage> same here!
[18:42:30] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:42:39] <danimal_garage> he was taking several screen shots of emc
[18:42:51] <danimal_garage> and i mentioned it a bit in the article
[18:42:59] <danimal_garage> interview i mean
[18:43:13] <SWPadnos> Linux and EMC are a good enabler for small businesses of this type
[18:43:30] <danimal_garage> yea, i tried to stress that
[18:43:43] <danimal_garage> hopefully it makes it in there
[18:43:55] <danimal_garage> the plus II is what he had
[18:44:02] <danimal_garage> looks just like it
[18:44:04] <SWPadnos> ah, the cheapo base model :)
[18:44:17] <danimal_garage> ha
[18:44:18] <SWPadnos> there are also bluish ones, an older revision (much older)
[18:44:26] <danimal_garage> they were black
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[18:45:14] <danimal_garage> do you do any work as far as shooting products for websites and such?
[18:45:24] <SWPadnos> nope
[18:45:30] <danimal_garage> ah
[18:45:37] <danimal_garage> i need new product photos
[18:45:39] <SWPadnos> just big stars for Red Carpet shows and that kind of thing
[18:45:48] <danimal_garage> www.homebrewedcomponents.com
[18:45:53] <SWPadnos> (like the Grammys on Sunday)
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[18:46:03] <danimal_garage> yea, how was that?
[18:46:15] <SWPadnos> warm and sometimes hectic
[18:46:39] <danimal_garage> yea, that was in LA, right?
[18:46:43] <SWPadnos> yep
[18:46:49] <danimal_garage> yea, it was warm out
[18:46:58] <danimal_garage> i'm in san diego
[18:47:01] <SWPadnos> pushing 80 on Saturday
[18:47:03] <SWPadnos> ah
[18:47:14] <SWPadnos> never been there :)
[18:47:30] <danimal_garage> much better than LA, i'll tell you that
[18:47:39] <SWPadnos> so I hear
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[18:47:47] <SWPadnos> but that's not really saying much :)
[18:48:42] <danimal_garage> haha true
[18:48:53] <danimal_garage> it's more community based down here
[18:49:03] <SWPadnos> and less highway based
[18:49:06] <danimal_garage> less smog
[18:49:22] <SWPadnos> how far south is it?
[18:49:24] <SWPadnos> of LA
[18:49:24] <danimal_garage> we still have a bit of highway, nut not that bad
[18:49:31] <danimal_garage> 100-120 miles
[18:49:41] <SWPadnos> ok, a fair distance
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[19:07:09] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, i don't see a pid.XXfeedback-deriv pin, nor do i see it in the manual. is there any documentation on setting it up?
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[19:10:26] <danimal_garage> pcw_home, i assume it's pid.XX.feedback-deriv?
[19:12:20] <cradek> emc2.4 doesn't have that
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[19:15:16] <danimal_garage> oh i thought he said it was
[19:15:21] <danimal_garage> crappers
[19:16:32] <danimal_garage> is it in 2.5.x?
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[19:24:27] <mrsunshine> hmm, a three phase motor that has a maximum amparate of 1.6 amps, what should one expect that motor to draw unloaded? :)
[19:33:36] <skunkworks> probably halfish (just a guess)
[19:33:55] <SWPadnos> that sounds like a high guess :)
[19:34:27] <skunkworks> we have some 5hp that we have just amped and they are around 1/3 of the amps
[19:34:39] <SWPadnos> I'd bet no more than 5-10% of full current, based on what I read about rotary phase converters (that they waste about 5% of rated power max)
[19:34:53] <skunkworks> interesting
[19:35:17] <SWPadnos> but I'm not right, just throwing in my unqualified opinion
[19:35:59] <skunkworks> that is also assuming that I am remembering rigrt ;)
[19:36:02] <skunkworks> right
[19:36:35] <SWPadnos> actually, I assume we're both wrong. safer that way :)
[19:37:08] <skunkworks> 'more of a guidline than a rule...' ;)
[19:38:02] <archivist> larger motors are more efficient 1.6 is a tiny one
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[19:38:56] <mrsunshine> skunkworks, thats about what i got, 0.7A :P
[19:39:02] <mrsunshine> just thought if it was wrong or not =)
[19:39:28] * JT-Shop sure is glad that it is getting harder and harder for leaves to fall inside of the shop :)
[19:39:39] <mrsunshine> changing bearings in the motor did wonders for the sound level
[19:39:48] <mrsunshine> i just stood there thinking "wtf .. is the motor running?"
[19:39:53] <mrsunshine> couldnt hear it :P
[19:40:46] <skunkworks> heh
[19:41:35] <mrsunshine> tho it cost me
[19:41:44] <mrsunshine> cause of the place i live at where we have to pay 4x the price of everything
[19:41:48] <mrsunshine> its freakin stupid :/
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[19:42:11] <mrsunshine> dont know how this town, with the very low vages everyone get we can have the highest prices on everything :(
[19:43:21] <mrsunshine> and my timing pulleys and belts are incomming from england =) yeey might get to tinker in the weekend =)
[19:49:12] <mrsunshine> so this mill is going to be so quiet i wont even hear it running! :P
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[20:01:48] <cradek> at 1mm radius, what rpm gives 1m/min surface speed?
[20:01:51] <cradek> I'm afraid it's not 1, 10, or 100 :-)
[20:04:14] <mikegg> it's a function of feedrate and number of flutes too, no?
[20:04:42] <archivist> a lathe
[20:04:45] <cradek> not really
[20:04:51] <cradek> well either way
[20:05:07] <archivist> 160 ish
[20:05:22] <cradek> thanks, that's what I came up with too
[20:05:32] <archivist> seems so low
[20:05:43] <cradek> 1m/min is awfully low surface speed
[20:05:59] <cradek> my gut doesn't know how to check my answers in metric, so I wanted someone to confirm
[20:06:06] <archivist> at that dia Im normally running flat out
[20:06:29] <cradek> sure, you usually want many hundreds times more speed than that
[20:06:38] <archivist> what material?
[20:06:54] <cradek> hardened air
[20:07:18] <cradek> (I'm working on a bug, not machining something)
[20:07:51] <archivist> well thixotropic air can be tricky
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[20:09:23] <archivist> we tried thixotrpic grease on some stepper drive gears once to stop the noise, dont do it :)
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[20:27:49] <danimal_garage> anyone know how to reverse the direction of an a/c single phase motor? there's no schematics on the motor
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[20:29:10] <archivist> danimal_garage, you need to reverse a coil if the connections are brought out so you can
[20:29:10] <cradek> danimal_garage: unbolt it and turn it around
[20:29:19] <danimal_garage> i swapped the leads on the cap, but it didnt change the direction
[20:29:32] <archivist> cap has ac
[20:29:32] <danimal_garage> funny cradek
[20:29:59] <cradek> danimal_garage: I try
[20:30:06] <danimal_garage> any coil archivist?
[20:30:22] <danimal_garage> i cant figure out which is the start coil
[20:30:39] <danimal_garage> there's 6 wires, 2 red, 2 black, a yellow, and a white
[20:30:45] <cradek> http://en.allexperts.com/q/Electric-Motors-3782/reverse-rotation-single-phase.htm
[20:30:47] <danimal_garage> and 2 caps
[20:31:04] <archivist> does it have a centrifugal switch
[20:31:14] <cradek> I think you only have to reverse the start coil
[20:31:34] <cradek> I think the motor will run either way if it's started that way
[20:32:08] <danimal_garage> if it has 6 wires, is there a chance it has a center tap for reducing the speed?
[20:32:20] <archivist> I think either coil can be reversed, my southbend has a duff switch so I manually spin then connect
[20:32:27] <SWPadnos> the cap is non=polar, else it would explode when placed across an AC line
[20:32:27] <SWPadnos> non-polar
[20:32:36] <danimal_garage> ah
[20:32:45] <SWPadnos> he's got the right answer though
[20:32:59] <Jymmm> so it has a borderline personality disorder
[20:33:30] <Jymmm> or is it just bi-polar
[20:33:54] <Jymmm> with extroverted tendancies
[20:34:31] <danimal_garage> i cant tell which is a starting coil
[20:34:49] <Jymmm> look for the word "START"
[20:35:00] <cradek> can you tell which one is hooked through the switch?
[20:35:00] <archivist> smaller wire sometimes
[20:35:22] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: does it have any kind of nameplate?
[20:35:32] <danimal_garage> JT-Shop, no
[20:35:49] <danimal_garage> cradek, no
[20:36:33] <JT-Shop> my favorite http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcatalog.wegelectric.com%2Fimg%2FWiring_Diagrams.pdf&rct=j&q=single%20phase%20reversible%20motor%20wiring%20diagram&ei=q-NaTYCJF8vSgQe6l83HDA&usg=AFQjCNHcLiQ67ycTDhgIKGLPxpAgQIWbnw&cad=rja
[20:36:36] <danimal_garage> i would assume it's the one with the cap on it right?
[20:36:58] <JT-Shop> or catalog.wegelectric.com/img/Wiring_Diagrams.pdf
[20:37:15] <danimal_garage> it's single phase
[20:37:28] <JT-Shop> below the three phase ones
[20:37:35] <danimal_garage> there's 2 caps, one would be a start cap and one would be a run cap, right?
[20:37:56] <cradek> yes
[20:37:57] <mrsunshine> i wonder if my vfd will go all the way down to 0.37kw ...
[20:38:01] <mrsunshine> (its a 1.5kw vfd)
[20:39:21] <archivist> probably ok, you may be able to abuse the motor :)
[20:39:35] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: the only one with 6 wires on that chart is the dual voltage/reversible without thermal overload
[20:41:28] <mrsunshine> may be able to abuse the motor? :P
[20:42:24] <danimal_garage> problem is there's no matching colors to that, and no diagram
[20:42:48] <JT-Shop> yea that sucks
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[20:53:36] <archivist> mrsunshine, you may be able to stop it quickly
[20:53:55] <mrsunshine> problem is that its three phase in, three phase out
[20:53:57] <mrsunshine> and that sucks
[20:54:04] <mrsunshine> as i dont want three phase into that little room :P
[20:54:49] <archivist> vfd's rectify and use dc, so may be ok on single phase in
[20:55:52] <mrsunshine> archivist, cant find a ref that it is :/
[20:56:26] <archivist> just get a more appropriate vfd
[20:57:47] <mrsunshine> aye, found some small that isnt to expensive im thinking of buying, new ones =)
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[21:19:28] <danimal_garage> damn, looks like i'm screwed on this motor
[21:19:35] <danimal_garage> i cant figure it out at all
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[21:28:06] <tom3p> danimal_garage, cant tell, wheres the logs?
[21:28:33] <tom3p> the logs at http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2011-02-11.txt ... most recent is 4 days old
[21:29:34] <psha> tom3p: logger[psha] logger[mah]
[21:29:45] <psha> both respond to any message with log link
[21:30:01] <danimal_garage> i have a single phase motor that i need to wire
[21:30:17] <danimal_garage> there's no markings on the motor or leads
[21:30:34] <danimal_garage> there's 2 red, 2 black, a white, and a yellow wire
[21:30:40] <danimal_garage> and 2 caps
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[21:31:05] <archivist> danimal_garage, can you measure resistance of the coils
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[21:31:22] <danimal_garage> it looked all about the same with my meter
[21:31:44] <danimal_garage> 3 have resistance to eachother, and the other 3 have resistance to eachother
[21:32:09] <archivist> lift all, find the two coils, reverse one
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[21:32:34] <danimal_garage> so the 2 reds and the yellow have impedence, along with the 2 blacks and white
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[21:33:16] <danimal_garage> i dont know how to wire up the coils
[21:33:22] <archivist> and the mains connects too
[21:33:22] <danimal_garage> it's 115v
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[21:34:24] <archivist> I mean which wires in the motor
[21:38:18] <danimal_garage> the wires i mentioned are in the motor
[21:38:38] <danimal_garage> all 6 wires come from the motor
[21:38:43] <archivist> grrrrr
[21:38:51] <danimal_garage> nothing is connected
[21:39:04] <danimal_garage> so i dont know what your asking
[21:39:07] <archivist> so you dont even know where to connect 115
[21:39:31] <danimal_garage> i know one wire
[21:39:33] <danimal_garage> thats it
[21:39:47] <danimal_garage> white went to white
[21:40:20] <archivist> and...there are two involved in a power connection
[21:40:31] <danimal_garage> and i dont know where the other one goes
[21:40:36] <danimal_garage> which is the problem
[21:45:14] <danimal_garage> ok i got it to spin again but it's still the wrong direction
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[21:46:03] <archivist> so your other power wire goes to which ?
[21:46:44] <danimal_garage> it goes to a red and one lead from one of the caps
[21:50:28] <archivist> does not feel right to me
[21:51:55] <danimal_garage> what should it be connected to?
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[21:56:08] <archivist> across a coil, you said the two groups of 3 were high resistance
[21:56:59] <danimal_garage> yes
[21:57:49] <danimal_garage> each group of 3 had resistance, but the groups did not have resistance to the other group
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[22:01:00] <tom3p> skunkworks, did you connect external estop to iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in? maybe like this? http://imagebin.org/138140
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[22:02:30] <archivist> danimal_garage, before you go any further and let the smoke out, either work out the real diagram or get someone who knows that motor
[22:03:24] <danimal_garage> there's absolutely no markings on the motor
[22:03:40] <danimal_garage> no brand, nothing
[22:03:54] <danimal_garage> there's no diagram
[22:04:14] <skunkworks> tom3p: I would have to look - I used the sample ladder on the wiki for an external estop loop
[22:04:30] <danimal_garage> so unless there's a way to figure out by checking resistance, etc, it's going to be a guessing game
[22:04:59] <tom3p> danimal_garage, pretty graphical, may be of use http://tinyurl.com/6jmdoco
[22:05:26] <archivist> danimal_garage, I would be exploring deeply, making sure what is what
[22:06:01] <skunkworks> tom3p: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Sample_HAL_And_ClassicLadder
[22:06:04] <skunkworks> example 4
[22:07:08] <danimal_garage> you mean dissasemble the motor?
[22:07:20] <tom3p> skunk, great thx "Output from CL * Q0 emc-enable-in"
[22:08:37] <tom3p> 'twist and latch' tho, sounds like a 1960's dance craze
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[23:01:29] <Jymmm> is there a name for those type of screws that are meant to go into soft material and create it's own thread? Not exactly like self tapping screws, but more for like holding the cover on the back of plastic mold injected enclosures
[23:01:55] <Jymmm> your tv, clock radio, etc
[23:02:37] <danimal_garage> machine screws?
[23:03:52] <Jymmm> no, not exactly
[23:04:20] <Jymmm> not as course as sheet metal screws
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[23:41:15] <mshaver> Jymmm: Plastite http://www.taptite.net/taptite/plastite.asp
[23:42:11] <Jymmm> mshaver: thanks - Uh oh, looks expensive =)
[23:42:46] <mshaver> Not if you buy millions at a time...
[23:43:06] <Jymmm> Like I said... looks expensive =)
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[23:46:01] <tom3p> "remember Lisa, it triLObular" ( paraphrasing homer :)
[23:46:39] <Valen> danimal_garage: sounds like its got windings for 240 and 120V depending on how you connect them and a starter winding
[23:47:23] <Valen> that'd be my guess anyway
[23:47:53] <Valen> Jymmm: some of the robot guys were getting some for little robots, werent that expensive really
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[23:57:23] <JT-Shop> danimal_garage: is there any evidence on the wires how they were connected before?
[23:59:53] <JT-Shop> it won't rain for a month now :/ http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Shop%20Addition/P2150005.jpg