#emc | Logs for 2011-01-23

[00:00:10] <JT-Shop> I get mine from Satches
[00:00:32] <bootnecklad> ah right KimK
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[00:00:56] <bootnecklad> once i get the whole system running, ill have to document fully
[00:00:59] <bootnecklad> videos and all etc
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[00:44:34] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Whatcha welding?
[00:45:19] <Jymmm> cradek: Hey
[00:45:29] <Jymmm> cradek: I found you something today
[00:46:25] <Jymmm> cradek: 3 drive, 32 tape (200gb native/400gb compressed) tape robot
[00:46:33] <Tom_itx> u can't get inert gas locally?
[00:46:49] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: gas yes, I want a CHEAP tank/regulator
[00:46:54] <Jymmm> mostly cheap tank
[00:47:08] <Jymmm> aka, used but still certified
[00:47:26] <Jymmm> FREE AutoCAD LT clone... http://www.doublecad.com/Products/DoubleCADXTv3/tabid/1100/Default.aspx
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[00:47:31] <Tom_itx> they need recert every 5 yrs anyway
[00:47:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: 10
[00:47:50] <Tom_itx> what is cheap?
[00:47:59] <Jymmm> But, since out here it's mostly exchange, no biggy on the cert.
[00:48:12] <Tom_itx> the larger ones aren't sold anyway
[00:48:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: $50 for a 40/55/80 cf
[00:48:54] <Jymmm> I want a 80 in a 55 size =)
[00:49:17] <Jymmm> I guess it's size F and G
[00:49:33] <Tom_itx> i just use the small bottles. i don't use it alot
[00:49:53] <Tom_itx> keep a spare in case one goes empty at the wrong moment
[00:50:07] <Jymmm> Well, even a 40cf is $128, 55cf is $145
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[01:03:43] <cradek> Jymmm: hey, that sure gets my attention
[01:10:55] <Jymmm> cradek: Yeah, I HATE the damn things, but I kknow you like tape for some sick perverted sadistic reason
[01:11:17] <Jymmm> cradek: gimme a sec
[01:11:45] <cradek> haha
[01:14:12] <Jymmm> cradek: It's a Dell PowerVault,
[01:15:14] <Jymmm> cradek: has 32 (used) tapes it it. SCSI,
[01:17:09] <cradek> woohoo tapes
[01:17:13] <cradek> (they're expensive)
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[01:45:58] <skunkworks> yay - jog wheel works!
[01:46:27] <skunkworks> cradek: you have one jog wheel that does everything - right?
[01:47:01] <cradek> yes
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[01:48:15] <skunkworks> I have a rotory switch that selects between FO, MV, SO and XYZ
[01:48:21] <skunkworks> seems like it might work ok
[01:48:25] <cradek> sounds just like touchy
[01:48:39] <cradek> it's so great to use the wheel for MV
[01:48:49] <cradek> that's the best feature ever
[01:48:49] <skunkworks> (then another rotory switch that selects .001,.01 and .1
[01:48:58] <skunkworks> I know - I cannot wait to use it.
[01:49:23] <skunkworks> you use the halui connection for all the overrides?
[01:49:28] <skunkworks> I assume that is the only way?
[01:49:39] <cradek> touchy does all that for you
[01:49:48] <skunkworks> well....
[01:50:27] <cradek> touchy makes pins for hookups, just like halui does
[01:52:49] <skunkworks> maybe someday :)
[01:53:23] <cradek> first one is free...
[01:53:43] <cradek> touchy is awesome - made a part today with just mdi and jogging again
[01:54:14] <skunkworks> heh - that is just wrong.. ;)
[01:54:26] <cradek> the new jog change is really nice
[01:57:03] <skunkworks> damn - this works great!
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[01:58:33] <skunkworks> did I mention how cool emc2 is?
[01:58:45] <Jymmm> cradek: Sorry bout that, client crashed
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[02:14:26] <skunkworks> we are very close to using up all the i/o
[02:14:37] <cradek> that has a way of happening doesn't it
[02:14:58] <skunkworks> I could still use the extra encoder inputs as gpio if need be
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[02:16:57] <KimK> skunkworks: Hi Sam. All of what I/O?
[02:17:11] <skunkworks> 2 mesa 5i20 cards :)
[02:17:41] <KimK> OK, and how many of the 6 ports are I/O?
[02:18:03] <skunkworks> 4
[02:18:06] <skunkworks> 96
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[02:19:55] <pcw_home> If you put all the PWMs/encoders on one card, we will have a way to expand the 5I20s I/O shortly
[02:20:10] <KimK> I worked on a retrofitted K&T 200 that had 32 in and 32 out just on the machine I/O, but no ring switches on the tools. And the panel I/O was minimal, and separate. So, go get em, Sam!
[02:20:46] <skunkworks> pcw_home: how many i/o?
[02:20:53] <skunkworks> 72 -> what?
[02:21:41] <skunkworks> KimK: neat!
[02:23:14] <pcw_home> 72 => 48 left alone, then a 8 channel sserial interface on one 5I20 connector to 8 IO expanders (7I69 is for IO module racks = 48 I/O) so 8x48 on 5I20 (more on denser FPGAs)
[02:24:07] <skunkworks> wow
[02:24:31] <skunkworks> wow
[02:24:36] <skunkworks> 384!
[02:24:46] <KimK> pcw_home: Any data on your web yet on that 7i69?
[02:26:24] <pcw_home> Not yet, jut now got 7I69 layout done, also 48 input and 48 output 24V isolated IO (cheaper than 7I64 and more convenient, common + for outputs common - for inputs)
[02:26:52] <pcw_home> (48 input and 48 output are separate cards)
[02:32:57] <skunkworks> pcw_home: that sounds really neat
[02:34:58] <pcw_home> Should be easy to support, Andys driver already works with the 7I64 (plug-in the serial cable, startup up EMC and all 48 I/O pins and 2 analog pins appear)
[02:37:17] <skunkworks> cool
[02:37:36] <pcw_home> Only disadvantage is that inputs will be one servo period late (doubling thread rate make the worst case latency same as direct read)
[02:37:47] <pcw_home> (makes)
[02:39:41] <skunkworks> ok - time to go. Thanks!
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[02:39:50] <pcw_home> Bye
[03:01:09] <Jymmm> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/2174470099.html
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[03:08:01] <KimK> cradek: BTW, I found a small doc fix to apply and made a commit. Is this a good time for you to walk me through a push? Do you want to see a diff or anything first?
[03:08:45] <KimK> And what's the deal, imagebin.ca is out of business and imagebin.com is a domain farmer? What's the world coming to?
[03:09:30] <Jymmm> KimK: just use tinypics.com
[03:09:42] <Valen> yaknow what would be handy, if you could save to file stuff like actual position and ferror during a run
[03:09:53] <Valen> like in halscope but no 10k sample limit
[03:10:11] <KimK> Jymmm: OK, thanks!
[03:11:44] <KimK> Jymmm: Wait, what? tinypics.com is a domain farmer too?!
[03:12:06] <Jymmm> tinypic.com
[03:12:10] <Jymmm> no s
[03:12:26] <KimK> Ah, OK, trying again.
[03:12:32] <Valen> doesn't pastebin do images too?
[03:12:56] <Valen> nope nvm
[03:13:24] <Tom_itx> imagebin
[03:13:47] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: down
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[03:18:29] <KimK> cradek: here you go: http://oi53.tinypic.com/dwfkas.jpg
[03:19:15] <pcw_home> Valen HALSampler?
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[03:27:28] <HDB10_> Hi Guy's can anyone assist with this problem on pastebin "I wish to detect a location on the A axis with a photo cell. "
[03:28:53] <HDB10_> I wish to call it as M120 for example.
[03:29:24] <KimK> I don't see that title. Pastebin.com?
[03:31:11] <KimK> Or have I misunderstood?
[03:37:18] <KimK> HDB10: You still there?
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[03:41:45] <cradek> KimK: looks great - go ahead and create your commit in git gui by poking commit
[03:41:58] <cradek> your short first line, then blank line, then detailed description is perfect
[03:42:18] <cradek> we don't care about the signed-off-by thing, but it's fine if you want to do it
[03:43:17] <cradek> HDB10_: seems like you'd use one of the probing functions for that, or if you're actually homing, use homing
[03:44:51] <cradek> oh haha, you already pushed it
[03:46:08] <KimK> Just now I did, yes. And here you go: http://oi53.tinypic.com/2irm72d.jpg
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[03:46:42] <cradek> cool
[03:46:44] <cradek> lets move to devel
[03:48:08] <KimK> On master? I can do that on 10.04 and get out of the 8.04 VirtualBox if you like?
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[03:48:29] <cradek> no, the emc-devel channel, sorry
[03:48:47] <KimK> Haha wrong window, no problem I do that too
[03:50:34] <HDB10_> KimK: Sorry made a Boo Boo ... Detect location on A axis
[03:54:18] <HDB10_> cradek: I am not homing the A axis only detecting a location on the A axis which is a variable.
[03:56:52] <cradek> I see - then I guess a probing move is what you will want to try
[03:57:10] <cradek> that's exactly what a probe does - yours is just a strange looking one
[03:58:01] <HDB10_> Yes I guess so but it is the function I need in this machine
[03:59:46] <cradek> cool - it'll work great if you can get a digital input into hal somehow
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[04:02:47] <HDB10_> cradek: Once the location is found then I make an other move from the current location of the A axis and that's it.
[04:09:06] <Valen> pcw_home: that looks good thanks
[04:09:24] <Valen> have you thought about putting some newer high amperage fets on your 400W boards?
[04:10:02] <Valen> should make for a fairly simple upgrade to 800 or more W
[04:10:26] <Valen> (although I know we must be pushing more like 20-30A through each bridge
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[04:22:31] <HDB10_> KimK: Are you still around ?
[04:22:50] <KimK> Still here
[04:25:11] <KimK> Is this your pastebin? http://pastebin.com/jFx0YGCb
[04:26:06] <HDB10_> Yes let me take a look
[04:26:53] <HDB10_> Yep that's it
[04:30:49] <KimK> OK. I would suspect you might want to do this all in hal with gating or something. But is it really necessary? This sounds like what fixturing is for. You say this is not for homing, but if you solve the homing problem once and for all, it makes it very easy to declare various locations on any homed axis as a new "standard" location, if you see what I mean?
[04:31:25] <KimK> What is it that you're really trying to do?
[04:33:44] <HDB10_> Not quiet, I am placing a piece of rubber on a sheet of glass and the problem is that the rubber is not in the same position so I need to detect where it is and then do some other operation on it.
[04:35:13] <HDB10_> I figure if I can increment the A axis and when the position is located then go on from there if you get my meaning.
[04:37:08] <KimK> OK. Does your machine have a tool changer so you can pick up some kind of probe(?) for this operation? Or where did you plan that this photocell (or some other optical pickup?) would be located?
[04:40:46] <HDB10_> KimK: This is not a Mill. The detector is built in to locate the end of the rubber as the A axis is rotated. I need to advance the axis which is not home and the do a final operation.
[04:42:31] <HDB10_> This is why I am trying to probe the change of state on the PE cell and drop out of the loop and preserving the A axis angle in this case.
[04:45:57] <KimK> OK. Wait, preserve the A axis angle? So A moves (to find out something) and then it moves back to where it was? Or do you mean it stops moving when it finds out something?
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[04:51:32] <HDB10_> No I only need to move it from the end of rubber location to another location in degrees say (5.0) and do the next operation.
[04:52:14] <HDB10_> I can then home it if necessary .
[04:54:03] <HDB10_> I have a transducer for homing the axis which works just fine.
[05:05:38] <HDB10_> KimK: are you still around ?
[05:05:51] <KimK> Still here
[05:06:08] <HDB10_> What do you think ?
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[05:11:18] <KimK> It sounds like it should work. And if you don't need great accuracy (as is needed in homing) you might indeed be able to run it as a user m-code, as you mentioned. I'd make it stepless though, no need to say wait(0.1) (does that mean 0.1 second?), just wait while no response from probe, and loop. Maybe have the timer be a no-respose timeout instead?
[05:11:58] <KimK> s/no-repose/no-response/
[05:12:35] <HDB10_> How would you code it ? In a while loop or ???
[05:14:52] <HDB10_> The idea is to break the loop when the condition is met ie. rubber break the beam.
[05:18:40] <KimK> You'd have to get the probe into some variable that can be read from a bash script if that's how you're going to do it. I'm not an expert on bash though. But you'd have to start A moving at a known speed and set a timeout (countdown?) timer. Then exit the loop "affirmatively" if a probe contact is made, or "negatively" if no contact after the time limit has expired. There might be a way to do it with distance too, instead of time and speed.
[05:19:58] <KimK> You might want to look at some of the examples of user m-codes on the wiki
[05:20:08] <HDB10> OK, So it is not possible the increment A axis in a loop ?
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[05:21:35] <HDB10> I am still here
[05:21:38] <KimK> Maybe, I'm not sure. I don't think this came up before.
[05:22:50] <KimK> If you can do it from halcmd, you should be able to do it from a bash script though.
[05:23:01] <HDB10> This seems to have tossed a few people and I am a C programmer and don't understand hal very well.
[05:23:55] <KimK> Well, how about g-code? The EMC2 g-code has a "C" mode you can use, if that would help you.
[05:24:56] <HDB10> Yes but I have no idea of how to implement it at the moment.
[05:25:27] <HDB10> Do you have a link to a Wiki or something.
[05:26:45] <cradek> you could sure use a loop - you could move a bit (g91 g1 a whatever) then do a digital in and test its result
[05:27:03] <cradek> but you'll stop at each move, and your granularity is the distance between stops
[05:27:44] <cradek> probing is far superior to this - the result is as good as you want - it's done in a continuous move - I'm truly baffled if you don't want to use it and want to reinvent it instead
[05:29:16] <HDB10> Sound like a plan so you loop in G code and test for a change in status of the pe cell?
[05:29:55] <KimK> HDB10: Try these for a start (I'm still looking for the "C" page). http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/examples_gcode.html http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#sec:M100-to-M199: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#cha:O-Codes
[05:30:24] <cradek> I read back, and probing is exactly what you want, it is exactly the right operation
[05:30:44] <cradek> your reinvention will be bad because you have to stop to read the input
[05:31:26] <cradek> probing reads the input every servo cycle AND records when the "probe" "touches" before it can even decelerate to a stop - it is exact to the distance moved per servo cycle (millisecond)
[05:31:56] <KimK> HDB10: Well, there you go then. If cradek says probing is what you need, I'd listen to him.
[05:32:06] <cradek> you simply cannot do better in g code - you cannot even do anywhere close to as good
[05:32:27] <cradek> haha, listen to KimK, he knows what he's talking about :-)
[05:32:32] <cradek> be back tomorrow
[05:32:35] <cradek> goodnight
[05:32:41] <KimK> OK, thanks for your help
[05:32:46] <cradek> you too
[05:32:50] <HDB10> cradek: thanks for your input much appreciated
[05:34:28] <KimK> HDB10: Also, the nice thing there is that there are already all kinds of probing codes and features already done, you just have to pick the one that is appropriate to your situation
[05:35:25] <HDB10> Do you know where to find them ?
[05:38:21] <KimK> Try this for a start, there's probably a lot more in the integrator's manual and the user's manual. http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G38.2:-Straight-Probe
[05:40:37] <HDB10> OK Man that's great and thanks for all of your help. BTW what is your location ? I am in Aussie :-)
[05:41:17] <KimK> I'm in central US. And it was snowing here a little while ago.
[05:41:55] <KimK> That should make you feel good, since it should be a lot warmer there!
[05:42:28] <HDB10> We have had floods like you wouldn't believe about 12,000 home flooded in Brisbane.
[05:44:09] <KimK> Yes, I saw that on the news, I'm sorry to hear it. Hope recovery is quick.
[05:46:07] <HDB10> It will take so time. The thing that gets me is that they allow people to build on a known flood plan and then complain that they are flooded doha !!!
[05:46:07] <KimK> Stop back here anytime for more advice as you begin trying your probe system.
[05:47:26] <HDB10> Yep I'll go after it and see what I can do. I guess it's getting a bit late there Seeya. Howard
[05:47:59] <KimK> Yes, we have that here too. People build next to the oceans and rivers and so forth and can't get insurance (who would give it?) so there's a govt. program to "help". Then we all pay to rebuild them again and again.
[05:48:19] <HDB10> TKS for your help.
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[05:48:45] <KimK> OK, Howard, maybe see you again here.
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[05:49:06] <HDB10> You will Bye for now Mate .
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[11:19:53] <flexxxv> hey, I need some help to build my cnc. I have currently this model: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2498257/Bildschirmfoto-CNC.skp%20-%20SketchUp.png I think it is too massiv. It is also quit expensiv, because of all the alu profiles. I already have all the linear bearing and so on. I just need to combine them to one mchine :D
[11:20:44] <flexxxv> Maybee somone has a good commerzial referenz design for me?
[11:21:58] <flexxxv> btw. I would like to be able to cut alu
[11:28:06] <drill> flexxxv wieso baust du nicht aus stahl? normale 4kt rohre
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[11:36:02] <flexxxv> @drill Wie soll ich das verarbeiten?
[11:36:27] <flexxxv> was sind 4kt rohre?
[11:36:44] <flexxxv> ach vierkant rohr
[11:37:03] <drill> flexxxv löcher bohren und verschrauben
[11:37:10] <drill> zuschneiden lassen kannst du dir die dinger ja
[11:38:16] <drill> und auf die alu profile solltest du deine führungen nicht direkt aufschrauben
[11:38:25] <drill> sondern quasi eine zwischenplatte dazwischen
[11:38:59] <flexxxv> @drill ich hab davon ziemlich wenig ahnung. Was bringt die Zwischenplatte?
[11:39:19] <drill> deine alu profile sind nicht wirklich genau
[11:39:25] <drill> und die führungen drücken sich ein
[11:39:33] <flexxxv> schade :-/
[11:39:43] <drill> wenn du da z.b. nen flachstahl dazwischen machst, verteilst die kraft besser
[11:39:49] <flexxxv> hmm, Ich hab immerhin ne Standbohrmaschine... Dann müsse ich die 4 kantrohre präzise zuschneiden lassen. Wie mach ich die am besten aneinander fest?
[11:39:49] <drill> aber wieso willst du so nen würfel bauen?
[11:40:02] <flexxxv> Dachte das ist stabil :P
[11:40:14] <flexxxv> Hatte mal von jmd den tipp bekommen...
[11:40:36] <drill> kennst du die cncecke
[11:41:15] <flexxxv> ist nen forum. bin da nicht angemeldet
[11:41:40] <drill> was willst du denn damit bearbeiten können?
[11:41:50] <flexxxv> maximal alu
[11:42:04] <drill> mit welchen zustellungen?
[11:42:26] <drill> vorallem welches budget?
[11:43:05] <flexxxv> budget ist sehr klein. Ich hab bereits alle Linearführungen und spindeln usw. (günstig bekommen)
[11:43:24] <flexxxv> Elektronik und Motoren hab ich auch schon alles fertig
[11:43:29] <flexxxv> (funktioniert auch)
[11:43:40] <drill> was für motoren/endstufen?
[11:43:44] <flexxxv> mom
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[11:47:07] <flexxxv> Nichts all zu tolles. Kann man ja spätr aufrüseten. 4x 3,9V 1,3A 1,8° Motoren (ich hab noch einen etwas stärkeren rumliegen) . Halbschritt Steuerelektronik (hab ich schon mal mit emc getestet) dazu dann 8 Sensorboards
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[11:48:11] <flexxxv> soll ich mal schnell zusammenstellen was ich alles schon hab?
[11:48:49] <drill> ich mein nur, du schreibst alubearbeitung und hast solche spielzeugstepper
[11:48:52] <drill> aus alten druckern?
[11:48:54] <drill> ebay?
[11:49:25] <drill> problem ist, mit solchen wirst du wenn dann nur sehr langsam fahren können, weil die spannung limitiert ist
[11:49:32] <drill> und die induktivität vermutlich zu hoch ist
[11:50:26] <flexxxv> naja. Die Konstruktion sollte Alu bearbeitung aushalten. Die Motoren kann man ja noch mal verbessern. Ich hab die damals kostenlos bekommen.
[11:50:48] <flexxxv> Für 0€ sind die ziemlich gut ;)
[11:52:01] <flexxxv> Ich hab auch kein großes problem damit, dass ich, dann nur ne langsame geschwindigkeit habe. Wenn ich dann was besseres brauche kann ich die Motoren ja austauschen
[11:52:15] <Fox_Muldr> wusste gar nicht, dass hier deutsch geredet wird ;)
[11:52:35] <flexxxv> hoffe das ist kein problem?
[11:53:06] <Fox_Muldr> für mich nicht
[11:53:30] <Fox_Muldr> und solange keiner sich beschwert ists ja ok :)
[11:54:45] <drill> ^^
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[11:56:03] <Fox_Muldr> flexxxv: man bekommt gute motoren für wenig geld gebraucht. ich habe für meine cnc drei motoren gebraucht gekauft für 20eur das stück
[11:56:20] <Fox_Muldr> neu wären es um die 40-50eur geworden pro stück
[11:56:59] <drill> flexxxv wie gesagt, lass die bei deinem örtlichen stahlhändler die rohre zuschneiden
[11:57:22] <drill> dann bohren und verschrauben
[11:57:35] <drill> und die auflagen für die führungen solltest du überfrasen
[11:57:43] <drill> und ne anschlagskante einfräsen
[11:58:01] <Fox_Muldr> cnc aus stahl wird am ende sehr schwer werden. meine ist komplett aus alu und wiegt mittlerweile um die 35kg
[11:58:10] <flexxxv> ich galub das kann ich nicht. dazu fehlt mir das werkzeug :-/
[11:58:54] <drill> flexxxv bezüglich profile http://www.lssnet.de/profilelibrary/aspprofile.aspx
[11:59:13] <drill> Fox_Muldr 35kg ist ja nicht viel
[11:59:35] <drill> ich bin bei rund 250kg nur für den unteren teil
[11:59:44] <drill> also ohne portal und z achse
[11:59:50] <flexxxv> habt ihr nen Bild wie das nacher aussehen könnte?
[11:59:56] <Fox_Muldr> naja wenn das ding auf dem küchentisch steht und ab und zu mal da runter muss finde ich das schon unhandlich schwer ;)
[12:00:06] <drill> naja^^
[12:00:16] <drill> ich hab nen beton guss gemacht...
[12:00:29] <flexxxv> :-O
[12:00:30] <Fox_Muldr> drill: dann hast du aber auch etwas deutlich größeres und mehr ansprüche dadran, was du damit machen willst als ich ;)
[12:01:29] <Fox_Muldr> meine ist für einen verfahrweg von 30x20x10 cm ausgelegt, das reicht mir völlig
[12:01:38] <drill> Fox_Muldr grösse nur 500x400
[12:01:55] <Fox_Muldr> "nur" ist relativ :)
[12:02:11] <Fox_Muldr> cm order mm ?
[12:02:27] <Fox_Muldr> vermutlich eher mm :)
[12:02:36] <drill> http://imagebin.org/133977
[12:02:42] <drill> mm
[12:02:55] <drill> das ist eine ältere studie^^
[12:03:33] <Fox_Muldr> wie ich sehe, hast du auch erst mal alles schön per cad programm vorher ausgetüftelt ;)
[12:03:51] <drill> wäre aus stahl gewesen ca 1500kg
[12:05:14] <Fox_Muldr> also bei 50x40cm aus stahl 1,5t da ist aber irgend etwas falsch an der konstruktion. das ist deutlich zu schwer für den kleinen bereich
[12:05:42] <flexxxv> sagt mal wie halte ich eigentlich am besten mein werkstück dann bei der bearbeitung fest?
[12:05:47] <drill> Fox_Muldr die konstruktion im render bild ist 1500x1100 bearbeitungsfläche
[12:06:03] <Fox_Muldr> ah ok, dachte das bezieht sich auf deine 50x40cm :)
[12:06:13] <drill> dazu ne 5kw werkzeug wechsel spindel etc
[12:06:42] <drill> flexxxv komt drauf an... für platten material am besten vakumtisch
[12:06:48] <drill> ansonsten schraubstock
[12:06:53] <drill> oder platte mit gewinden drin
[12:06:57] <Fox_Muldr> hehe das wäre für mich viel zu groß. brauche ja keine kommerzielle cnc, sondern nur für kleinteile für mich :)
[12:06:58] <drill> oder holzplatte und mit spax
[12:07:13] <flexxxv> ok
[12:07:26] <drill> Fox_Muldr gewicht welches nicht bewegt werden muss gibt dämpfung
[12:08:19] <flexxxv> was für 4 kant profile sollte man für das grundgerüst nehmen? (bei etwa 40x40x20)?
[12:08:27] <Fox_Muldr> klaro bringt das gewicht vorteile, aber wie gesagt, für mich ist eine hobby cnc die leicht portabel sein muss wichtiger. die genauigkeit reicht mir dabei auch aus
[12:08:48] <drill> Fox_Muldr jeder was er bruacht, respektive die anforderungen erfüllt
[12:09:06] <drill> flexxxv kannst auch so wie in meiner zeichnung laserteile machen lassen
[12:09:12] <drill> und das zeug verschrauben
[12:09:29] <flexxxv> Ich kenn aber niemanden der mir günstig die Teile lasert
[12:09:41] <Fox_Muldr> drill: genau. meine anforderungen waren ursprünglich nur platinen zu fräsen und bohren, mehr nicht. und das ganze zu einem verträglichen preis für die teile
[12:09:56] <flexxxv> Da ich Student bin ist mein budget relativ knapp
[12:10:07] <Fox_Muldr> flexxxv: willkommen im club
[12:10:59] <flexxxv> :D ich hätte ja zu gern so nen co2 laser für stahl ]:->
[12:11:11] <Fox_Muldr> mittlerweile liege ich für alle teile der cnc samt spindel knapp über 1000eur, was ok ist für mich. habe ja mittlerweile schon über 2 jahre dran gebaut, da relativiert sich die summe ziemlich schnell :)
[12:12:18] <flexxxv> aber stahl auslasern zu lassen dürfte ohne Kontakte ziemlich teuer werden...
[12:13:39] <flexxxv> ich durfte mal nen co2 laser für acryl benutzen :D Tolle Sache. kann man super sachen baucen...
[12:13:52] <drill> flexxxv ich hatte für die teile der grossen cnc ein angebot über rund 2k euro
[12:13:56] <drill> oder sowas in der art
[12:14:28] <Fox_Muldr> flexxxv: die frage ist ja, was willst du damit später machen und welche genauigkeit brauchst du. je nachdem kannst du eben günstiger die cnc herstellen oder musst viel geld reinstecken
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[12:15:12] <flexxxv> billiger, genau und stahlfräsen wäre perfekt ;) Ne natürlich nicht
[12:16:09] <drill> flexxxv oder du machst nen beton guss
[12:16:14] <drill> das dürfte relativ günstig sein
[12:16:20] <drill> sika hat da vergussmörtel
[12:16:25] <drill> das zeug ist relativ stabil
[12:16:27] <drill> und günstig
[12:16:27] <flexxxv> Nein das geht nicht
[12:16:34] <drill> 25l kosten iwie 10euro
[12:16:49] <drill> wieso geht das nicht flexxxv?
[12:16:50] <Fox_Muldr> da bleibt die frage der portabilität noch zu klären
[12:16:55] <flexxxv> genau
[12:17:08] <drill> was hast du denn für ein zielgewicht flexxxv?
[12:17:28] <drill> du schreibst von alubearbeitung
[12:17:57] <flexxxv> Hab ich nicht. Es sollte noch ohne Maschinen zu Transportieren sein.
[12:18:22] <drill> also zu 4. kann man 200kg transportieren
[12:18:23] <drill> locker
[12:18:37] <drill> ansonsten panzerrollen drunter
[12:18:46] <flexxxv> Es handelt sich um eine Hobbyfräse. Wenn ich umziehe doll die halt auch noch mit :D
[12:19:10] <drill> dann sind ja 150kg kein problem?
[12:19:21] <drill> wie gesagt
[12:19:32] <drill> ich würde einen rahmen aus stahl 4kt rohren machen
[12:19:40] <drill> dann eine alu platte als arbeitstisch drauf
[12:19:47] <drill> seitlich deine linearführungen ran
[12:19:54] <drill> und die profilwände von mir aus aus alu platten
[12:20:05] <drill> die können ja rechteckig sein
[12:20:11] <drill> das schneidet dir dein alu lieferant zu
[12:20:19] <flexxxv> profilwände sind was?
[12:20:19] <drill> dann machst du am besten einen kasten
[12:20:23] <drill> das gibt stabilität
[12:20:38] <drill> portalwände sollte das heissen^^
[12:21:37] <flexxxv> gut was sind portalwände? kenn den ausdruck nicht
[12:21:57] <drill> http://imagebin.org/133980
[12:22:27] <Fox_Muldr> flexxxv: mal ne allgemeine frage, wieviel ahnung hast du denn von metallbearbeitung und dergleichem? denn der selbstbau einer cnc erfordert doch schon einiges an geschick und passendem werkzeug von einem ab
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[12:24:49] <flexxxv> Fox_Muldr: nicht all zu viel. Hoffe aber das reicht.
[12:25:23] <flexxxv> was für werkzeug sollte ich denn zur grundausstattung haben?
[12:25:33] <Fox_Muldr> flexxxv: denn ich habe schon einige cnc versuche im internet gesehen, die mehr ein geld-grab wurden als dass sie wirklich funktioniert hätten
[12:25:34] <drill> flexxxv gute bohrmaschine
[12:25:52] <drill> also nicht ein obi ding mit 5/10tel spiel
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[12:25:59] <drill> dann halt die entsprechenden messmitel
[12:26:43] <flexxxv> Ich hab ne alte Standboahrmaschine. unglaublich schwer aber funktioniert und sollte was aushalten. Messlehre hätt ich auch.
[12:27:22] <Fox_Muldr> ohne meine drehbank hätte ich meine cnc nie bauen können. aber das hängt natürlich mit der art der linearführungen auch stark zusammen. zumindest die antriebsspindel der führungen sollte man auf ner drehbank bearbeiten können, oder jemanden kennen, der das machen kann
[12:27:52] <flexxxv> Drehbank hab ich nicht. darüber hab ich mich schon öber geärgert. das muss ich machen lassen
[12:28:14] <Fox_Muldr> ne gute tischsäge sollte man auch haben, wenn man sich nicht jedes kleine teil vorher zurechtsägen lassen will/kann
[12:28:50] <drill> ne messuhr und nen pupitaster
[12:28:55] <drill> dann mikrometer
[12:29:00] <Fox_Muldr> für die spätere exakte ausrichtung nen mikrometer
[12:29:03] <Fox_Muldr> hehe genau
[12:29:03] <drill> inennmikrometer für lagersitze
[12:29:04] <drill> etzc
[12:29:23] <drill> schon für anständige messmittel legst du mal nen 1000er hin
[12:29:42] <drill> aldi messschieber kanste vergessen
[12:30:15] <Fox_Muldr> also man braucht doch schon einiges an werkzeug, ohne dass man besser gar nicht erst anfängt. so ab 2000eur bekommt man schon recht gute kleinere cnc's. evtl wäre das eine bessere alternative als sich das werkzeug anzuschaffen und selber zu bauen. dann bist du auch nicht mehr günstiger
[12:30:35] <elmo401> drill: hi. I took a look at your photo. I see a possible issue with it.
[12:31:07] <elmo401> if you put the round guides on top and below, making them level will be difficult.
[12:31:21] <elmo401> you may find one side will bind, too...
[12:31:36] <drill> elmo401 i build this one, it works fine^^
[12:32:00] <flexxxv> Ich hab jetzt schon fast alles für die cnc da. 2000 € für werkzeug ist schon viel... Ich muss mal sehen.Über die genaue ausrichtung hatte ich mir noch gar nicht so viele gedanken gemacht
[12:32:01] <elmo401> when you go from X0 to X_max does the Z change?
[12:32:08] <drill> top and bottom side are milled^^
[12:32:18] <elmo401> I see
[12:32:25] <Fox_Muldr> flexxxv: z.b. von elektor gibt es den sogenannten "Profiler" also Bausatz für 1677eur. und der ist gar nicht mal schlecht
[12:32:39] <drill> elmo401 nope
[12:32:43] <drill> no problems with this
[12:33:57] <drill> flexxxv http://www.sorotec.de/shop/product_info.php/info/p997_bzt-pfl330-trapezspindeln---ohne-steuerung.html
[12:35:14] <flexxxv> ich werd das selber bauen. Das werd ich jetzt nicht mehr ändern.
[12:35:24] <flexxxv> sagt mal seid ihr regelmäßig hier?
[12:35:33] <drill> flexxxv es ging um die konstruktion
[12:35:36] <Fox_Muldr> flexxxv: naja, dann viel spaß dabei :)
[12:35:47] <drill> da du führungen hast, evtl ne möglichkeit für dich
[12:36:08] <flexxxv> Ja als konstuktionsidee sind die bilder nett
[12:36:10] <flexxxv> danke
[12:36:25] <flexxxv> ich werd mal was neues planen udn hier dann noch mal vorstellen
[12:36:36] <drill> flexxxv mein tip
[12:36:42] <drill> stahlrahmen aus 4kt rohren
[12:36:46] <drill> mom ihc hab noch ein pic...
[12:36:51] <Fox_Muldr> so ich werde mich jetzt mal weiter meinem ctlab widmen. an der cnc wird heute nicht gebastelt
[12:37:44] <flexxxv> 4kt rohre sind ne gute idee :D. Ich muss jetzt erst mal was für die Uni machen. Lineare Algebra und DIskrete Strukturen warten auf mich :P
[12:37:55] <drill> http://imagebin.org/133983
[12:38:27] <drill> bei den 4kt rohren kannst du, falls du genügend wandstärke nimmst, direkt die gewinde rein schneiden
[12:38:30] <drill> und zusammenschrrauben
[12:39:04] <flexxxv> welche wnddicke ist empfehlenswert? was kostet mich dann der meter in etwa?
[12:39:26] <flexxxv> wo sind eigentlich in dem profiler die motoren?
[12:40:14] <drill> in welchem meinst du?
[12:40:41] <flexxxv> hat sich erledigt. war etwas blind
[12:41:04] <drill> die stahlrohre gehen noch vom preis
[12:41:17] <flexxxv> das heißt?
[12:42:13] <drill> http://www.wilmsmetall.de/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=89_99&products_id=2117
[12:42:26] <drill> 60x60x5 sind rund 27euro/meter
[12:43:05] <flexxxv> ok vielen dank. ich hätte das ja auch mal googlen können. bin ich irgendwie nicht drauf gekommen :P
[12:43:15] <flexxxv> So die uni sachen warten
[12:43:21] <drill> Stahlvierkantrohr
[12:43:21] <drill> St 37
[12:43:21] <drill> 60 x 60 x 5 mm
[12:43:21] <drill> Preis: 26.18 EUR pro Meter
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[13:35:30] <jthornton> archivist can you program the wench to say something to the effect of just ask your question and if some is here that can answer it they will if not wait around a while?
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[14:41:26] <skunkworks> looks like about .0002 max backlash in the z axis drive train. I think that will be just fine with all the 'stuff' that is in there ;)
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[14:54:25] <awallin> is that in furlongs or yards? :)
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[15:17:15] <Guest592> Hi there, I have questions about realtime issues. my computer has a Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2140 @ 1.60GHz, and the latency test gave a result of 170 000 nanoseconds
[15:18:02] <Guest592> following the instructions I need to change some hardwareparts
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[15:27:47] <i_tarzan> which ones?
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[15:35:18] <ODC_giraffe> hello
[15:35:19] <the_wench> hello ODC_giraffe, you have a question?
[15:35:29] <ODC_giraffe> yes about latency test
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[15:36:47] <ODC_giraffe> got a dual core computer with 1.60GHz
[15:37:10] <ODC_giraffe> and a bad latency result: 170 000 nanoseconds
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[15:38:13] <ODC_giraffe> probably need to get other hardware components
[15:38:40] <ODC_giraffe> how can I find out what to get or to change?
[15:39:41] <drill> ODC_giraffe deaktiviere mal ht
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[15:40:23] <ODC_giraffe> ht?
[15:40:38] <drill> hyper threading
[15:40:43] <drill> im bios
[15:41:47] <ODC_giraffe> ok, muß mal rausfinden was das genau ist
[15:44:36] <ODC_giraffe> wenn ich das ausschalte, kann ich dann noch 2 pci-parallelport-karten ansteuern?
[15:48:06] <skunkworks> awallin: inches - sorry :)
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[15:50:32] <cradek> ODC_giraffe: did you see the 'troubleshooting' wiki page?
[15:51:59] <ODC_giraffe> I read some things, but not sure where the problem is
[15:52:59] <ODC_giraffe> got a realtime delay on emc2
[15:54:44] <cradek> onboard video is really the most common problem, second most is hardware accelerated opengl - both are super easy to fix
[15:54:47] <ODC_giraffe> good results for microstepping would be a result like 15 000 to 20 000 nanoseconds
[15:55:03] <ODC_giraffe> ok
[15:55:20] <cradek> what kind of video is it?
[15:56:52] <ODC_giraffe> i am looking after it
[15:56:58] <ODC_giraffe> don´t knowyet
[15:57:01] <cradek> onboard though?
[15:58:03] <ODC_giraffe> I usde the "lshw" comand
[15:58:07] <ODC_giraffe> command
[15:58:55] <cradek> did you install a video card into a slot, or does the video cable go to one of the plugs on the motherboard?
[15:59:20] <ODC_giraffe> I have no video cable
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[15:59:42] <cradek> it's a laptop?
[15:59:53] <ODC_giraffe> I use parallelport on pci-cards
[16:00:08] <cradek> modern laptops almost never work with realtime, and you probably cannot fix it.
[16:00:20] <cradek> you will probably need to get a normal computer
[16:00:21] <ODC_giraffe> I inserted 2 parallelport cards, it´s a desktop pc
[16:01:08] <ODC_giraffe> the machine works well on windows xp, want to migrate
[16:01:14] <cradek> it's a desktop pc by marketing, but if it has cardbus slots and no normal slots, it's just like a laptop
[16:01:30] <cradek> it would work perfectly fine as a linux pc, but probably not a realtime linux pc
[16:02:00] <ODC_giraffe> so the pci slots make it slow?
[16:02:05] <cradek> I have to run - hope you get it working, but you probably will not be able to without replacing the hardware
[16:02:24] <ODC_giraffe> ok, bad news for me
[16:02:39] <cradek> no, a computer that's made to be very small and low power usually has lots of bios 'features' that we don't want, for saving power etc., that disrupt realtime performance and cause bad latency
[16:02:58] <cradek> example is cpu speed changing, power level changing, hard disk spin down, etc etc
[16:03:05] <ODC_giraffe> yes
[16:03:21] <ODC_giraffe> for xp all other activities are switched off
[16:03:32] <cradek> you probably need a more normal pc without those 'features' that are usually helpful but are deadly for realtime
[16:03:37] <cradek> have to go now, bbl
[16:03:50] <ODC_giraffe> ok, thanks, bye
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[16:55:20] <coldelectrons> No rest for the wicked.
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[17:35:18] <archivist> jthornton, it does that if they say hi
[17:35:21] <archivist> hi
[17:35:21] <the_wench> hello archivist, you have a question?
[17:36:44] <psha> hello
[17:36:45] <the_wench> hello psha, you have a question?
[17:44:13] <jthornton> I was thinking of the times when someone asks if they can ask a question
[17:45:00] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Dont ask to ask, just ask
[17:47:16] <jthornton> Jymmm: can I ask a question about the universe
[17:47:31] <Jymmm> jthornton: The answer is 42
[17:48:04] <coldelectrons> nine times nine is sixteen
[17:53:23] <psha> coldelectrons: sure, if it's calculated in Z_65 field :)
[17:54:59] <coldelectrons> Actually, I set up a neutrino field inside a can of peas, and measured Planck's constant with a <insert ethniticity> ruler
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[19:20:45] <archivist> jthornton, they ask in many ways, I would need to create some regex to try and guess a ask type question
[19:21:02] <psha> and then regex to pick proper anwser
[19:21:15] <psha> maybe after some work she(?) may fix bugs too!
[19:21:59] <archivist> she
[19:26:27] <micges> jthornton: can you add Polish subforum to international section?
[19:26:32] <JT-Shop> archivist: I was thinking that a key word like "ask" could be typed in
[19:26:58] <coldelectrons> if new_user && first_three_comments_in_channel: print "RTFM"
[19:27:43] <JT-Shop> micges: yes how do you spell Polish in Polish
[19:28:13] <archivist> we have Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
[19:28:24] <archivist> as a response to ask in #mysql
[19:28:31] <micges> JT-Shop: polski
[19:29:09] <JT-Shop> micges: done!
[19:29:56] <micges> thanks
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[19:31:15] <JT-Shop> ask
[19:31:17] <archivist> !wench learn anyone awake is no just us bots, but just ask anyway because Im a clever bot, there is also a chance one of the carbon lifeforms may see and answer too
[19:31:17] <the_wench> I have learnt anyone awake is no just us bots, but just ask anyway because Im a clever bot, there is also a chance one of the carbon lifeforms may see and answer too
[19:31:46] <archivist> !wench learn ask is Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
[19:31:47] <the_wench> I have learnt ask is Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
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[19:31:54] <coldelectrons> I wonder if the sourcecode for askjeeves.com is available?...
[19:31:58] <JT-Shop> ask
[19:31:59] <the_wench> Don't ask to ask, Don't state: "I have a question", Don't ask: "Is anyone around?" or "Can anyone help?". Just Ask The Question. Also, please read: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc
[19:32:04] <coldelectrons> ?
[19:32:07] <JT-Shop> archivist: great!
[19:32:34] <JT-Shop> coldelectrons: just testing the bot
[19:32:57] <coldelectrons> I know. I was just seeing if there was a response to a question mark
[19:33:16] <micges> people, add this information to channel subject
[19:33:40] <micges> it will show to anyone who enter here
[19:34:02] <archivist> !wench learn I need help is If you have a question, please go ahead and ask it. We will not beat it out of you.
[19:34:03] <the_wench> I have learnt I need help is If you have a question, please go ahead and ask it. We will not beat it out of you.
[19:34:06] <coldelectrons> Pfff, now who would read that?
[19:34:34] <micges> hehe
[19:35:18] <archivist> this one suits all the avr people almost....The X-Y problem is when you want to do X, but you don't know how. You think you can hack X if you can just do Y, but you don't know how to do Y either. You ask (us) for help with Y. We think Y is a strange problem to want to solve... So just ask us about X.
[19:35:38] <coldelectrons> I've been around enough to know better, but there are still times I forget and I'm more hoping for someone to respond more in realtime
[19:36:13] <coldelectrons> heh
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[19:36:49] <archivist> !wench learn xy is The X-Y problem is when you want to do X, but you don't know how. You think you can hack X if you can just do Y, but you don't know how to do Y either. You ask (us) for help with Y. We think Y is a strange problem to want to solve... So just ask us about X.
[19:36:49] <the_wench> I have learnt xy is The X-Y problem is when you want to do X, but you don't know how. You think you can hack X if you can just do Y, but you don't know how to do Y either. You ask (us) for help with Y. We think Y is a strange problem to want to solve... So just ask us about X.
[19:37:04] <coldelectrons> archivist: a.k.a. 'shaving the yak', or the 'domino effect'
[19:37:22] <psha> xy
[19:37:22] <the_wench> The X-Y problem is when you want to do X, but you don't know how. You think you can hack X if you can just do Y, but you don't know how to do Y either. You ask (us) for help with Y. We think Y is a strange problem to want to solve... So just ask us about X.
[19:37:28] <psha> long one :)
[19:38:57] <archivist> common from the less logically minded user
[19:39:32] <archivist> and those not taught to break down problems in a sensible manner
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[19:44:55] <tom3p> got a source for pcb mounts to DIN rail? for the 7i33 & 7i37s?
[19:48:31] <psha> archivist: my first patch was fixing Y :)
[19:49:21] <andypugh> I have seen PCB rail mounts as kits, but they were expensive.
[19:50:02] <tom3p> i only find ones that contrain the width ( edge slots, so size is fixed :(
[19:50:46] <tom3p> i have a few boards mounted already, but used up what i had ( no marks on molding )
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[19:52:32] <tom3p> cool! found where i got them , winford! http://www.winfordeng.com/products/dinm01.php
[19:55:01] * JT-Shop looks forward to the day that I don't *HAVE* to move something to do anything
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[19:57:13] <tom3p> actually made by phoenix contact http://eshop.phoenixcontact.com/phoenix/logon.do?user=anonym&general=usen
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[21:41:03] <JT-Shop> glad to know I can out smart a gable end http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Shop%20Addition/P1010067.jpg
[21:41:16] <owhite> Hello everyone. I use axis. And I have some extra control buttons added using pyvcp. Everything works fine, but there is one glitch. When I run the gcode program in axis, and then hit stop - my buttons in pyvcp stop working.
[21:41:36] <owhite> Any suggestions?
[21:41:59] <JT-Shop> what kind of button?
[21:42:28] <owhite> radio buttons tied to hal layer that toggles various i/o.
[21:43:06] <owhite> so, in my case one of the buttons control my ventilation. When I hit stop program in axis, the ventilation keeps running, and when I hit that radio button, it does not shut off.
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[21:43:41] <JT-Shop> e-stop or run/stop?
[21:44:03] <owhite> in either case I believe. I know run/stop does not work.
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[21:45:16] <JT-Shop> hmm I just fired up my lathe and my work light check box will turn it on and off no matter what the run/stop/e-stop state is
[21:45:25] <owhite> yeah even if I throw e-stop it does not give me control.
[21:45:44] <archivist> JT-Shop, I need a shed like that
[21:46:00] <JT-Shop> archivist: I need a roof on the shed LOL
[21:46:26] <JT-Shop> how do you like my mini crane archivist
[21:46:26] <owhite> well that's definitely what I'd like it to do. Could you hook me up with your .hal and .xml files?
[21:47:14] <JT-Shop> are you controlling your vent with the parallel port or another I/O card
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[21:47:55] <JT-Shop> I doubt my hal and xml files will do you any good
[21:48:40] <owhite> lets see, I have to dig that up, I use both parallel and a Mi520 card.
[21:49:00] <JT-Shop> just wondering if that makes any difference
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[21:49:19] <JT-Shop> I'm using a 5i20 with 7i37's and 7i33
[21:49:49] <owhite> Huh. People got any other suggestions for what I could do?
[21:50:00] <JT-Shop> so, if your running a program your vent works?
[21:50:07] <owhite> yes.
[21:50:24] <owhite> and when it goes through all the gcode it stops, I still have control.
[21:50:33] <JT-Shop> pastebin.ca the code that makes that happen
[21:50:36] <owhite> Just when I hit the ol' stop button, I don't have control.
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[21:51:09] <JT-Shop> is your stop button dropping out an enable on your I/O card by chance?
[21:51:41] <owhite> I don't think it would, no.
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[21:53:19] <JT-Shop> I would have to say it is something in your config that is doing what it is told to do as EMC will not do funny things like that unless you configure it to do so.
[21:54:08] <JT-Shop> you might pastebin.ca your hal file
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[21:54:11] * coldelectrons is on his way to making inlays that are +-0.00025" repeatable
[21:54:43] <andypugh> owhite: Can you see the button status (and downstream stuff) changing in Halmeter (or Show Hal Config)
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[21:55:47] <owhite> hang on andy.
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[21:55:59] <owhite> pastebin.ca is down, but.... http://pastebin.com/FykvsfJG
[21:56:29] <owhite> the relevant pins are at line 34
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[22:00:31] <andypugh> Can you create a halmeter for in0, in1 and out for or2.3? I think that the ventilation is being kept on because motion.digital-out-00 is keeping it on.
[22:01:22] <andypugh> I further guess that your G-code has a line near the end that turns motion.digital-out-00 off again.
[22:01:30] <owhite> Been a while since I used halmeter,but I'll try.
[22:01:44] <JT-Shop> use show hal configuration it is easier
[22:02:00] <owhite> but to that last point, these buttons are also controlledby M64 P0 commands in my g-code - you think that's it?
[22:02:19] <owhite> like, I can shut them off with M65 PO
[22:02:20] <JT-Shop> I'd bet a pint that andypugh is correct
[22:03:19] <owhite> So if motion.digital-out-00 is keeping it on, what do I do?
[22:03:42] <andypugh> Good question.
[22:03:46] <JT-Shop> put something inbetween like halui.program.is-running might be spelled wrong
[22:03:57] <andypugh> What do you want to happen?
[22:04:24] <owhite> my main thing is if I interupt the program by hitting stop, I'd like to get control back.
[22:05:04] <JT-Shop> then only let motion.digital-out-00 work when a program is running
[22:05:13] <owhite> please advise.
[22:05:14] <andypugh> As JT says, and and2 between motion.digital-00 and program-is-running (or mode-is-auto) will de-authorise the digital IO pins when the program stops.
[22:05:47] <JT-Shop> halui.program.is-running
[22:05:48] <JT-Shop> status pin telling that a program is running
[22:05:49] <owhite> okay. So my code doesnt have program-is-running, so the suggestion is to RTFM and add it?
[22:06:06] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/man/man1/halui.1.html
[22:06:19] <owhite> (I knew that one was coming) :-)
[22:06:51] <JT-Shop> look in show hal configuration (in the axis menu) and see if you have halui loaded
[22:07:44] * JT-Shop has to go and grind some pork butt
[22:08:01] <owhite> yes, halui is loaded.
[22:09:00] <JT-Shop> then like andy suggested add an and2 to motion.digital-00 and program-is-running to your or2
[22:09:38] <JT-Shop> in American if motion... and is-running then turn on the vent
[22:10:05] <owhite> okay, will try it.
[22:10:11] <owhite> thanks much.
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[23:09:52] <owhite> JT-Shop: you still around?
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[23:24:04] <owhite> hey people. I'm writing some hal code and have a question. I need to tie halui.program.is_running to a signal. So I'm using "net pin1 halui.program.is-ruunning" which is working fine. But...
[23:24:23] <owhite> ...I also have to tie halui.program.is_running to another signal, and hal complains.
[23:24:54] <owhite> as in "net pin2 halui.program.is-running" creates a complaint. Any suggestions?
[23:26:02] <psha> use same signal (pin1)
[23:26:19] <psha> net pin1 => (here goes second pin you want to connect to is-running)
[23:26:45] <owhite> lemme try...
[23:30:56] <owhite> not working. do you mind if I dump three lines of code?
[23:32:02] <owhite> actually make that six.
[23:33:09] <owhite> psha: could you look at: http://pastebin.com/nU7swFy3 ?
[23:35:30] <psha> owhite: program1 and program2 are not pin names
[23:35:34] <psha> they are signal names
[23:35:42] <owhite> ugh. sorry, get that confused.
[23:35:45] <psha> every pin may be connected to only one signal
[23:35:58] <psha> net program2 <= program1 => and2.1.in0
[23:36:02] <psha> this line has to be
[23:36:06] <psha> net program1 => and2.1.in0
[23:38:49] <owhite> that did it. Thanks. Sorry I just have never locked down the signal/pin thing.
[23:40:12] <psha> np
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[23:40:23] <psha> that was last question for today ;)
[23:40:25] <psha> bb
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[23:44:31] <andypugh> owhite: The main thing is that the signal is a name you choose yourself, to refer to the link between pins. Think of it as a wire.
[23:44:48] <andypugh> (and the name as sort of like the wire colour)
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