#emc | Logs for 2010-12-23

[00:05:22] <Connor> awallin: You happen to see any of the questions I ask ?
[00:14:07] <andypugh> Err, the Dog question, I don't get it: http://www.buzzle.com/articles/brain-teasers-for-students.html
[01:14:25] <droid> droid is now known as Guest83603
[01:57:52] <AR_> <AR_> <AR> http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5033/122110202500.jpg
[01:57:52] <AR_> <AR_> <AR> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/4357/122110202601.jpg
[01:57:52] <AR_> <AR_> <AR> http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8292/122110202600.jpg
[01:57:52] <AR_> <AR_> <AR> http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1521/122110202700.jpg
[01:57:52] <AR_> <AR_> <AR> http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1725/122110202800.jpg
[01:57:54] <AR_> thoughts?
[01:59:18] <[n0b0dy]> you should scrap this project and send it everything to me to make sure its properly disposed of :D
[01:59:44] <AR_> lul
[01:59:48] <[n0b0dy]> :D
[01:59:58] <AR_> give me $200 and it's a deal
[02:00:13] <[n0b0dy]> includes motors?
[02:00:15] <[n0b0dy]> :D
[02:00:21] <AR_> $250
[02:00:29] <[n0b0dy]> nice
[02:00:32] <[n0b0dy]> http://www.onsrud.com/xdoc/FeedSpeeds
[02:00:33] <AR_> rofl
[02:00:38] <[n0b0dy]> just came across this ...
[02:00:49] <[n0b0dy]> i'm a nub so I got nothing intelligent to say
[02:01:13] <AR_> lol
[07:00:33] <mhaberler__> mhaberler__ is now known as mhaberler
[07:01:05] <psha> good morning
[07:16:57] <mhaberler> bon giorno!
[07:17:11] <mhaberler> (actually some people here say: john porno ;-)
[07:19:58] <mhaberler> how would you do the macro parsing? re?
[07:22:59] <psha> dunno
[07:23:12] <psha> they are simple so it won't be hard
[07:32:25] <mhaberler> now that all required features are in, I'm moving my real machine's pyvcp panel to gladevcp
[07:33:32] <mhaberler> except for the abort acceleration - I think fixing the busy-wait loop is much better than the tool-change-abort pin idea
[07:34:07] <mhaberler> hope it will be a good show-off example
[07:58:37] <psha> mhaberler: toggle actions are great!
[07:59:02] <psha> ESTOP toggle actions allows you to connect both toolbar button, menu entry and simple buttons to estop trigger
[07:59:06] <mhaberler> is that a recommendation?
[07:59:11] <psha> and tracks same state between them
[07:59:57] <psha> no, i'm just happy :)
[08:00:38] <mhaberler> I see.. I need to explore this, havent fully gotten it yet. Currently trying to figure how to popup a menu over textview in glade.
[08:01:02] <psha> add popup menu?
[08:01:52] <mhaberler> seems like a bug in glade - sometimes it wont open/close subtrees
[08:02:05] <mhaberler> in the object view for instance
[08:02:17] <mhaberler> not important, just trying to learn glade and gtk
[08:07:19] <psha> with actions even menu items become unavailable when needed :)
[08:07:28] <psha> so that's definitely right way to go
[08:29:48] <mhaberler> ok, will explore
[08:29:50] <mhaberler> on a different front.. I'm on your actions branch.
[08:29:51] <mhaberler> LED: I set blink rate 100msec, it's stored as 0
[08:29:53] <mhaberler> gladevcp warning:
[08:29:54] <mhaberler> gladevcp:182: Warning: value "0" of type `gint' is invalid or out of range for property `led-blink-rate' of type `gint'
[08:29:56] <mhaberler> do you get that too?
[08:30:27] <mhaberler> I dont understand why the rate isnt stored properly
[08:34:48] <psha> it's low limit is 100
[08:37:30] <psha> so if you try to set it to values lower then 100 it's rejected
[08:41:51] <mhaberler> this happens when you just tick the box near blink rate, and leave the default 100 as is
[08:41:52] <mhaberler> if you overwrite default value it's ok
[08:41:54] <mhaberler> could be a glade thing
[08:42:40] <mhaberler> seems like it displays the default rate 100, but doesnt copy it over if you just tick the box
[08:42:43] <mhaberler> minor
[08:44:05] <psha> maybe...
[08:46:23] <mhaberler> resolved by typing over rate field
[08:50:41] <mhaberler> made a wiki faq entry
[09:16:38] <mhaberler> psha: seems your server is down
[09:19:20] <psha> fyes
[09:19:27] <psha> power outage on provider network
[09:19:42] <psha> they promise that it will be beack today
[13:20:15] <awallin> andypugh: hi, did you work on an fpga-based ac servodrive? did you make a power-stage for it?
[13:20:36] <andypugh> No, and no.
[13:20:39] <andypugh> :-)
[13:20:48] <psha[work]> hi andy
[13:21:09] <awallin> someone did a 3-phase pwm driver for mesa/hostmot2...
[13:21:13] <andypugh> I did do an Arduino-based one, but used a commercial power-stage chip
[13:21:47] <andypugh> Ah, I also wrote the three-phase PWM driver for Hostmot2
[13:22:20] <andypugh> I think I might have misunderstood the question
[13:22:43] <awallin> I was wondering if there is a power-stage design out there for ac servos which works with the hostmot2/3-phase driver
[13:22:49] <andypugh> (In fact, I am writing another Hostmot2 driver now, for the 8i20 AC servodrive.
[13:23:37] <andypugh> Well, the Mesa 7i39 might work, assuming that by "AC Servo" you mean PMAC or BLDC
[13:24:28] <awallin> ok, so 8i20 or 7i39 will work? I guess the prices are reasonable so it's hard to diy cheaper
[13:25:15] <andypugh> In theory the IRAMS chips should wire direct to the Three Phase PWM outputs of a suitably configured 5i20/5i23/7i43
[13:26:00] <andypugh> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=getProduct&R=6880732
[13:27:42] <andypugh> One of those chips is the power stage here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyeJfNg3NfQ
[13:28:01] <mikegg> how much is the 8i20? it's not listed in their price list...
[13:28:46] <awallin> looks nice. does it usel hall-sensors first, and then the encoder for sinusoidal commutation?
[13:29:16] <andypugh> mikegg: It's on the pdf version at $239
[13:29:49] <andypugh> awallin: In that case there are no hall sensors, it is working purely from the Resolver.
[13:32:53] <andypugh> I need to write this up, but a typical setup would have resolver and hall sensors wired to the "bldc" HAL component, which outputs either an angle value or three PWM amplitudes to the 8i20 driver or three-phase PWM generator. The "bldc" component handles angle-measure handover in a number of possible permutations. (It will even, if asked, convert from one hall-sensor pattern to any other)
[13:34:20] <andypugh> Probably worth mentioning that the bldc hal component isn't out in the wild yet, not even in master
[13:34:58] <andypugh> But Matt Shaver has been having good results with it and the 8i20 with some 2kW spindle drives.
[13:38:17] <mikegg> I'd like to give that a shot sometime
[13:46:59] <andypugh> I still need to sort out a potentially nasty issue with encoder rollover (after a few hours you are likely to lose motor commutation on a spindle) and to get the 8i20 driver handling nvram setups.
[13:47:38] <andypugh> Neither are likely to be releasable before the new year, as I am leaving my computers behind.
[13:52:33] <andypugh> Feels like saturday.
[14:04:33] <elmo40> interesting... http://www.edingcnc.com/index.php?taalid=2
[14:10:48] <cradek> by looking at what features they have and don't, you can just about pinpoint when they grabbed the emc2 code
[14:17:13] <elmo40> ya, they even have a truetypetracer
[14:46:15] <droid> droid is now known as Guest67313
[14:56:33] <elmo40> so... who else is an Engineer in here? http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2045 LOL
[15:00:39] <L84Supper> heh... I once had the idea of a natural gas powered sterling engine + generator since the apartment I had included the gas in the rent
[15:02:07] <mikegg> our old landlord used to pay the water bill. that changed when I bought an above ground pool :)
[15:12:31] <elmo40> lol
[15:22:58] <___red___> I'm getting really sick and tired of snapping bits :-/
[15:23:21] <___red___> wru unbreakable bits
[15:23:45] <mikegg> what are you using? endmills? high speed steel? carbide?
[15:23:49] <L84Supper> anyone know where to buy a 1-2KW Stirling engine?
[15:23:53] <___red___> end mills, carbide
[15:24:01] <mikegg> 2 flute?
[15:24:04] <___red___> yup
[15:24:19] <psha> L84Supper: catch one of perspective sweedish uboats and take it from there
[15:24:25] <___red___> at almost $8 a pop, it's becoming an expensive "consumable"
[15:24:55] <mikegg> what material are you cutting and what is your feedrate?
[15:25:51] <___red___> feedrate is ridiculously slow
[15:27:05] <archivist_emc> how sturdy is the machine
[15:27:19] <archivist_emc> how good are the spindle bearings
[15:27:33] <archivist_emc> any play in the slides
[15:27:48] <___red___> I don't know the answer to that question honestly
[15:28:02] <___red___> that probably is the root cause
[15:28:13] <archivist_emc> there are three there for a start
[15:28:18] <___red___> I don't know how I can improve the tolerance any more.
[15:28:40] <archivist_emc> use larger endmills till you fix things
[15:30:59] <___red___> I just have one piece I need to cut
[15:31:06] <___red___> if I could get to the end of it I'd be happy
[15:31:42] <___red___> I guess a softer material would reduce the likelyhood of snapping
[15:31:46] <___red___> or higher rpm
[15:32:07] <mikegg> if your work piece is not secured well that can cause big problems too
[15:32:23] <___red___> that is my weakest point
[15:32:31] <___red___> I need to read up on better ways to do that
[15:32:43] <mikegg> get some strap clamps from enco or something
[15:32:45] <___red___> of all the issues I have - getting materials flat and solid is my hardest challenge
[15:33:14] <___red___> googling
[15:36:43] <mikegg> http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=400-2376&PMPXNO=951126&PARTPG=INLMK3
[15:36:51] <mikegg> does your machine have t-slots?
[15:37:18] <___red___> not sure what a T slot is honestly.
[15:37:22] <___red___> I'm still pretty green at this
[15:38:05] <___red___> ah, got it
[15:38:15] <___red___> yes - it does have those plates
[15:38:42] <mikegg> http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php?ProductID=1813
[15:39:11] <mikegg> those things are cheap and work OK. place to start anyway
[15:40:33] <skunkworks> L84Supper: http://www.whispergen.com/
[15:42:22] <L84Supper> skunkworks: funny how there is no distributor in the US.... now if it burned gasoline in large quantities
[15:42:55] <skunkworks> there was a miltary sterling generator (portable) that would be cool to see.
[15:44:56] <L84Supper> skunkworks: I've been going through the distributor links at whispergen and I haven't found one that actually sells the stirling generator they advertise
[15:45:24] <L84Supper> you'd think they would make it easy to purchase
[15:45:51] <skunkworks> I don't think they exsist comercially yet :)
[15:46:56] <elmo40> lawyers get involved and want them to reduce their liabilities. If they are a 'real' company and claim things about their products while they do not deliver, they can be sued (especially in the US)
[15:47:06] <elmo40> most places sell blueprints, though
[15:48:09] <L84Supper> http://pesn.com/2006/03/03/9600241_SunPower_Micro_Cogeneration/ scheduled to hit the European consumer market in 2007 through British appliance distributor Microgen, Inc.
[15:48:28] <L84Supper> nothing at the Microgen site
[15:52:44] <___red___> We have a 3D printer
[15:52:51] <___red___> we could get someoen to print some of those
[15:53:25] <mikegg> plastic is not really a good choice for work holding...
[15:53:54] <L84Supper> a GPL DIY Stirling engine might be the only way they ever get them out into the wild
[15:54:00] <___red___> is that metal then in the link you sent?
[15:54:19] <mikegg> oh yeah, highest quality chinese steel
[15:54:44] <mikegg> brb
[15:55:15] <L84Supper> "highest quality chinese steel" = old US steel cars, appliances, boilers etc :)
[15:59:21] <L84Supper> http://www.magicboiler.com/en/products/whispergen/ how do you get one out of Belgium or the Netherlands?
[15:59:47] <skunkworks> is there a stirling engine black market? ;)
[16:01:12] <L84Supper> label it a dishwasher for customs
[16:05:26] <elmo40> why not make your own?
[16:06:38] <elmo40> 2KW will be a little difficult to make...
[16:06:59] <L84Supper> http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Rotary_Moon_Stirling the plans look simple enough :)
[16:07:36] <elmo40> hrmm, they use Nitrogen in their chambers.
[16:07:43] <L84Supper> I've seen better drawings on 5th grade science fair projects
[16:09:47] <L84Supper> didn't Dean Kamen have one that burned just about anything?
[16:10:03] <L84Supper> Where can you buy one though?
[16:20:52] <tom3p> wont be on net later, so Merry Christmas everyone!
[16:21:12] <L84Supper> hohoho
[16:30:48] <elmo40> L84Supper: they seem to have a large website dealing with some 'odd' forms of energy (HHO fuel and such) http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Stirling_Engines
[16:31:02] <elmo40> tom3p: enjoy!
[16:39:03] <L84Supper> elmo40: I saw that one.... I check around every few years... every time it's always "just around the corner"...
[16:39:52] <L84Supper> http://www.ehe.eu/ehe/de/adquirir-whispergen.asp?Cod=2407&nombre=2407&sesion=1347 they seem to be available here
[16:40:09] <L84Supper> just not for export to the US
[16:44:39] <elmo40> lol
[16:45:41] <elmo40> they have a twitter channel. http://twitter.com/PESNetwork
[16:45:57] <elmo40> seems like people are debunking them ;)
[17:29:49] <L84Supper> Step 1: Demonstrate efficient and economical Stirling generator. Step 2: Get paid to not sell Stirling generator by oil cartels. Step 3: Profit!
[17:32:35] <L84Supper> more Stirling vaporware http://www.disenco.com/html/mchp.htm
[17:39:08] <elmo40> gotta love vapouware
[17:39:16] <elmo40> +r
[17:49:27] <kanzure> why is quora popular?
[17:56:05] <kanzure> i'm looking at all of these stupid "xyz is now following you on Quora" emails
[17:56:12] <kanzure> oops, sorry, wrong channel
[17:57:12] <andypugh> Max carnot efficiency of a stirling engine is not very high.
[17:57:39] <Jymmm> kanzure: wth is it?
[17:57:48] <kanzure> please ignore me, Jymmm
[17:57:52] <Jymmm> kanzure: wth is it?
[17:58:00] <Jymmm> quora that is
[17:58:02] <kanzure> forgive me :(
[17:58:05] <kanzure> it doesn't matter
[17:58:12] <kanzure> it's just a random website that will die in a year
[17:58:32] <Jymmm> kanzure: that doesnt answer my question about it's Q&A
[17:59:23] <elmo40> quora.com A continually improving collection of questions and answers created, edited, and organized by everyone who uses it.
[17:59:27] <L84Supper> andypugh: how else can one hope to turn all of their backyard dung into electricity?
[17:59:30] <kanzure> it's a site where people post questions and other people post answers
[17:59:32] <elmo40> but you need to register...
[17:59:51] <Jymmm> elmo40: I read the caption too.
[17:59:53] <andypugh> That's the advantage, they will run from any heat gradient.
[18:00:06] <elmo40> L84Supper: but everything is already energy! e=mc^2. Just make it move faster then light ;)
[18:00:12] <Jymmm> elmo40: the ABOUT gives more
[18:01:32] <elmo40> is it like a wiki for questions? community answers?
[18:01:48] <Jymmm> read the last section under ABOUT
[18:05:51] <elmo40> not liking their analogy about 'if they have done it they can respond to it'
[18:06:02] <elmo40> the michael jordan line
[18:09:31] <L84Supper> http://www.hyperionpowergeneration.com/product-purch.html 25 MW electric energy, $50M / 20K homes = $2500ea
[18:10:36] <andypugh> 1kW each?
[18:11:31] <L84Supper> well not if everyone runs their toaster at the same time
[18:12:28] <andypugh> I want one anyway. All to myself in my underground lair.
[18:12:35] <psha> heh, eating on schedule :)
[18:12:42] <L84Supper> http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/next-energy-news-toshiba-micro-nuclear-12.17b.html hopefully priced better
[18:13:03] <L84Supper> 3, 2, 1, TOAST!
[18:13:09] <andypugh> Seriously, I would pay $2500 for a share of my own nuke plant.
[18:13:28] <psha> andypugh: there are more affordable solutions around
[18:13:38] <L84Supper> sounds to good since the lifetime is 7-10 years
[18:14:30] <psha> if you pay for ticket to northern coast of russia somewhere in the middle you may find old power supplies for autonomous lighthouses :)
[18:14:35] <L84Supper> the catch is that it probably will cost $100M ea to remove and dispose of it safely
[18:14:41] <rooks> and free street light from the glowing leaks \o/ :D
[18:15:02] <andypugh> psha: I have heard that they keep getting stolen.
[18:15:02] <elmo40> lol
[18:15:52] <elmo40> that quora site doesn't link very well. eg: http://www.quora.com/Puppy-Linux?q=linux
[18:16:03] <elmo40> you click on the link and the > tag is there :P
[18:16:18] <elmo40> as if they can't run the answers through a tag filter
[18:18:27] <L84Supper> what do NG powered AC units use to run the compressor?
[18:19:12] <psha> andypugh: they are not stolen - it seem that they are abandoned and then disassembled for valuable metals...
[18:19:39] <psha> radioactive part is not interesting for target audience :)
[18:20:27] <andypugh> L84Supper: I suspect that they don't use a compressor.
[18:20:49] <L84Supper> absorption chiller
[18:21:10] <L84Supper> http://www.gasairconditioning.org/robur_cycle.htm
[18:21:18] <andypugh> http://www.cam.net.uk/~aaa314/electrolux.html
[18:22:26] <andypugh> It does seem a bit close to magic.
[18:22:50] <mikeggg> heh
[18:22:50] <L84Supper> well the ammonia sounds safe
[18:23:08] <L84Supper> but it does work well
[18:25:43] <L84Supper> http://www.stirlingenergy.com/ good thing I saved all those 3m satellite antennas from the 80's
[18:33:32] <L84Supper> parabolic solar reflector to heat exchanger to Stirling generator.... a lot of steps but is 31% efficient
[18:35:05] <elmo40> andypugh: magic is fun!
[18:39:35] <elmo40> andypugh: I have an old 'gas powered fridge'.
[18:40:05] <andypugh> I think my parents have a fairly new one in their caravan.
[18:56:13] <L84Supper> the only things readily available in the US with ~2KW for off grid are solar panels or windmills
[19:07:29] <elmo40> no Stirling engines anywhere.
[19:08:57] <elmo40> for 10 years now I have seen these 'companies' claiming to have designs for things but waiting for 'govt approval' or 'investors' to complete their 2,000 kW arrays of solar powered Stirling engines.
[19:09:00] <andypugh> Talking of magic: http://questvisual.com/
[19:09:04] <psha> L84Supper: it seem that my suggestion about disassembling submarine is easier compared to other ways of obtaining stirling engine :)
[19:09:33] <L84Supper> psha: yes, seems to still be the case
[19:10:05] <elmo40> andypugh: now that rocks!
[19:10:34] <andypugh> I want german to english
[19:12:13] <elmo40> that WordLens even tilts the letters to match where it came from. Unless I am looking at it wrong.
[19:12:30] <andypugh> No, it does exactly that
[19:14:42] <elmo40> well, it is free to install onto your iPhone but you need to pay to actually use the translation feature
[19:14:55] <elmo40> so the iTunes comments tell me.
[19:14:58] <andypugh> Yes, I have found that out.
[19:15:26] <elmo40> now, if there is one for Android... I would be more receptive to the idea ;)
[19:15:29] <andypugh> But, to be honest, £2.99 to do something so amazing is acceptable.
[19:17:19] <L84Supper> http://www.gizmag.com/the-kids-walker-16-metre-bi-pedal-exoskeleton-for-children/16521/
[19:18:30] <L84Supper> looks safe enough
[19:25:50] <mikeggg> for the kids!
[19:26:26] <psha> i've 1.6m is not safe for people higher then 1.6m :)
[19:54:42] <___red___> Oh, I forgot - I have an emc question regarding latency configuration
[19:55:06] <___red___> Jitter even
[19:55:15] <___red___> so the value I get from the jitter test is almost 300,000
[19:55:18] <___red___> for base
[19:55:27] <cradek> eek
[19:55:28] <___red___> the software only allows me to configure to 50,000
[19:55:45] <cradek> you've got to fix whatever the problem is, or find a different computer
[19:55:49] <___red___> this may also not be helping my eating through bits issue
[19:56:55] <mikeggg> mikeggg is now known as mikegg
[20:05:15] <L84Supper> redwil: what board, cpu + chipset?
[20:06:15] <L84Supper> ___red___ even
[20:14:31] <elmo40> ___red___: wow, that is higher then mine! Never thought that was possible :P
[20:23:48] <dgarr> for consideration (git master, bug fix): http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/0001-interp-allow-comments-on-line-with-EXISTS-function.patch
[20:25:59] <___red___> hobbycnc board
[20:26:08] <___red___> somewhat old but not completely dead PC
[20:26:26] <___red___> about 1.8Ghz with hyperthreading
[20:26:31] <___red___> 500M RAM
[20:28:41] <cradek> dgarr: working on understanding it...
[20:31:10] <andypugh> __red__: First thing I would try: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?FixingSMIIssues
[20:32:38] <cradek> dgarr: with your patch, I still get (what I think is) an incorrect error from g0 x EXISTS[#<a>] y EXISTS[#<b>]
[20:33:25] <cradek> a command like g0 x SIN[0] y SIN[90] works correctly
[20:44:21] <elmo40> ___red___: what is the mobo? video card?
[20:47:59] <___red___> unknown from here
[20:48:07] <___red___> it's at the hackerspace - I'm at work
[20:48:15] <___red___> I'll look it up for next time I'm online here
[20:53:09] <elmo40> hackerspace, nice. I don't have anything like that around here
[20:53:24] <___red___> we just started one
[20:53:30] <___red___> about a month ago
[20:53:51] <L84Supper> ___red___ : just FYI Intel Atom + 945 boards work well and may be found for under $80
[20:54:16] <psha> Atom + NM10 are working better and cheaper :)
[20:54:19] <L84Supper> though they are getting phased out
[20:54:33] <L84Supper> psha: good to know
[20:54:34] <___red___> thanks -=- we may need to custom build a machine to do this
[20:54:41] <L84Supper> have any NM10 results?
[20:55:09] <L84Supper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121398 $64.99
[20:55:23] <psha_> %$##!@ ion3!
[20:55:30] <psha_> D510MO i mean :)
[20:55:39] <psha_> jthornton now owns one as i know
[20:55:53] <psha_> psha_ is now known as psha
[20:56:48] <L84Supper> AMD fusion boards start to ship next month with coreboot support promised soon after direct from AMD
[20:58:21] <psha> wow
[20:59:05] <L84Supper> so we should be able to tweak them for EMC
[20:59:13] <L84Supper> no SMI
[20:59:29] <___red___> coreboot?
[20:59:30] <L84Supper> and still have soft power-off
[20:59:54] <L84Supper> coreboot.org it's open source firmware to replace BIOS
[21:00:06] <___red___> sweet!
[21:00:23] <___red___> crap - gotta do the last of the christmas shopping
[21:00:28] <___red___> or wife will be on the warpath
[21:01:02] <___red___> Tonight however is Festivus, and the hackerspace is having a festivus celibration.
[21:01:03] <L84Supper> AMD is going to release coreboot and AGESA patches in both GPL and BSD license
[21:01:29] <andypugh> I am running a D510MO too. Cheap, silent, fast.
[21:01:31] <L84Supper> my favorite is the airing of grievances
[21:02:09] <elmo40> I do xmas shopping on Dec 27th :P
[21:02:15] <elmo40> save a boat load of cash
[21:02:52] <L84Supper> I imagine you can also decide what to get them by what they gave you :)
[21:03:28] <andypugh> Or give them back shuffled.
[21:03:42] <L84Supper> regifting!
[21:14:12] <psha> bb
[21:53:38] <elmo40> did someone mention something about the new AMD with coreboot?
[22:34:55] <JT-Shop> YEA Santa brought my new clutch for the tractor... the wife may get her parking spot back for X-Mas
[22:38:04] <L84Supper> elmo40: AMD has coreboot support for Fusion shipping next moth
[22:53:07] <mhaberler__> mhaberler__ is now known as mhaberler
[23:38:15] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Don't fit it before Christmas day, or it will turn into ashes!
[23:43:08] <JT-Shop> the clutch or the tractor?
[23:43:51] <JT-Shop> andypugh: I did find the difference in the clutches they use different flywheels
[23:44:11] <andypugh> Possibly both
[23:44:26] <andypugh> So, you were forced to go with the expensive option?
[23:44:41] <JT-Shop> yes
[23:45:14] <andypugh> Maybe you can earn some of it back ploughing.
[23:45:21] <JT-Shop> the only proper way to fix it... I was amazed how much the old one was worn out when I compared it with the new one
[23:45:35] <JT-Shop> plowing snow maybe
[23:45:47] <andypugh> Do you have any fun attachments?
[23:45:56] <JT-Shop> power tiller :)
[23:46:05] <JT-Shop> 4' wide PTO driven
[23:46:22] <JT-Shop> post hole digger that is fun too
[23:46:26] <andypugh> Sounds like a snowblower would be useful.
[23:46:54] <JT-Shop> we don't get enough snow for that the grader blade usually is good for getting the snow out of the way
[23:47:32] <JT-Shop> you can pivot it on a 30 degree and it pushes the snow off the drive if you go fast enough
[23:47:37] <andypugh> But what you really need is this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj7ZugSMrHw
[23:48:33] <JT-Shop> that's pretty cool
[23:50:00] <JT-Shop> wonder how they steer it... like a dozer I assume
[23:50:35] <andypugh> It is somehow linked to the steering
[23:51:26] <JT-Shop> some of the old dozers had a steering wheel instead of levers
[23:52:07] <JT-Shop> the horse said screw you get off my back I'm stuck :)
[23:52:17] <andypugh> Yes, poor horse
[23:53:01] <JT-Shop> I thought it looked like a Fordson
[23:53:50] <andypugh> Looks like steering is just two clutches.
[23:54:02] <andypugh> (Loinked to the steering wheel)
[23:54:31] <JT-Shop> oh it is a kit for the Fordson
[23:54:34] <JT-Shop> cool
[23:54:49] <andypugh> Yes, I was suggesting it as a fun attachment
[23:55:55] <JT-Shop> not enough snow here LOL
[23:56:02] <andypugh> Move?
[23:56:10] <JT-Shop> NO
[23:56:33] <andypugh> Yes, cool but not that cool
[23:56:33] <JT-Shop> did you see the view from my back yard?
[23:57:03] <JT-Shop> oh and a model t conversion too
[23:57:35] <JT-Shop> that had to be a hit in Montana