#emc | Logs for 2010-12-09

[00:04:07] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[00:09:58] <JT-Hardinge> YEA! the concrete guy is coming tomorrow
[00:18:30] <Jymmm> in the ran/snow?
[00:18:32] <Jymmm> rain
[00:26:23] <JT-Hardinge> none due till Saturday
[00:26:57] <Jymmm> oh cool
[00:27:03] <JT-Hardinge> he is trying to get the footers for the shop addition poured tomorrow :)
[00:27:20] <JT-Hardinge> his backhoe is broken so he is borrowing mine
[00:27:31] <Jymmm> who is "he"?
[00:27:54] <Jymmm> the concrete guy?
[00:28:00] <JT-Hardinge> concrete dude
[00:28:06] <Jymmm> gotcha
[00:28:40] <JT-Hardinge> he has done all my concrete work since I moved to Swamp East Missouri
[00:30:01] <JT-Hardinge> he does good quality work at a fair price but you have to wait a bit for him as he is usually booked up
[00:30:26] <Jymmm> thats totaly reasonable
[00:43:31] <JT-Hardinge> that's what I thought
[00:50:23] <JT-Hardinge> say goodnight Gracie
[02:05:35] <tom3p> any cheap solutions for phoenix contact terminal block shorting bars? i found prices like 7 to 10$ for just a 10 terminal strip :(
[02:15:09] <tom3p> yow Automation direct is cheaper, like 16$ for a strip of 24, this looks like a cash cow for somebody ( and they wont work with Phoenix anyway )
[02:27:09] <elmo40> wtf is a phoenix contact terminal block?
[02:32:07] <atmega> a terminal block made by phoenix contact
[02:32:10] <atmega> nice stuff
[02:50:45] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=objyMqAHUNU
[02:50:53] <skunkworks> crappy video.
[03:19:55] <atmega> that's one big machine
[09:04:15] <Duckie> hi, have installed correct the toolracked patch. when i use M06 T1. It pick up the tool. But how do i setup, that it automatic change the tool(release tool and pick up the new tool). Or is this normal that i use MO6 T1 to pick tool. and M06 T0 to release tool?
[09:05:17] <micges_work> if you do m6 t1
[09:05:24] <micges_work> and after that t2m6
[09:05:35] <micges_work> then it put off tool 1 and get tool 2
[12:38:39] <jthornton> YEA! concrete day :)
[13:12:35] <SWPadnos> huh. I haven't heard of that holiday
[13:13:50] <jthornton> it's special to Swamp East Missouri
[13:14:57] <SWPadnos> no wonder
[13:15:51] <jthornton> the problem is you never know when it will be until the evening before when you get the call
[13:17:58] <SWPadnos> like back when the Druids were the only ones who knew about eclipses
[13:20:00] <jthornton> what a money maker that had to have been
[13:23:32] <SWPadnos> yeah. the old "the gods are angry" trick
[13:23:47] <SWPadnos> (used in many regions around the world)
[13:48:11] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=objyMqAHUNU
[13:51:47] <jthornton> I saw that... cool
[14:01:26] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYA5uEwLSTA
[14:01:30] <skunkworks> :)
[14:11:40] <skunkworks> Dave911: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=objyMqAHUNU
[14:13:59] <Dave911> Nice! There is a lot going on there in that transfer ....
[14:15:40] <skunkworks> you arn't kidding ;)
[14:15:47] <Dave911> Looks a little chilly in the shop... We had 9 degrees here this morning... I'm looking forward to January since it should be warmer! ;-)
[14:16:03] <skunkworks> it is 50 in the shop. (I like it at that temp)
[14:16:56] <Dave911> 50 isn't bad at all. The mid 40's is where it starts to bother me..
[14:17:43] <Dave911> 50 degrees is about perfect if I need to do some welding or other hotwork. :-)
[14:18:50] <Dave911> Has there been any discussion of this phantom potential investor?
[14:19:49] <SWPadnos> some
[14:20:01] <SWPadnos> no "official" discussion, if that's what you mean
[14:26:46] <Dave911> Hi Steve... I'm not sure I could distinguish official vs unofficial.. :-) Are you staying busy or does it slow down for you at this time of year?? My customers get goofy this time of year.. Many start acting like they have a mild case of ADD. ;-) It happens every year.
[14:27:03] <Dave911> logger_emc:bookmark
[14:27:03] <Dave911> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2010-12-09.txt
[14:27:08] <mozmck> heh, 70 starts feeling cold to me! I like 80+
[14:27:21] <skunkworks> must be a texas thing
[14:27:39] <skunkworks> ;)
[14:27:44] <mozmck> could be, although I like it warmer than most :)
[14:28:57] <skunkworks> 50 is about the limit of were I need a coat
[14:29:11] <skunkworks> (we keep our house at 60)
[14:29:28] <skunkworks> which is great in the winter... but sucks in the summer.
[14:29:46] <mozmck> As the winter goes on I can handle it colder, but I sure like summer!
[14:29:55] <Dave911> I love the fall weather 40-60 etc. If it never got above 70 I'd be fine with that.
[14:30:10] <mozmck> We don't even turn our window air conditioner on until it's over 90 in the house.
[14:30:22] <mozmck> just open the doors and use a little fan.
[14:30:30] <skunkworks> that is just crazy talk! ;)
[14:31:16] <mozmck> :) bbl
[14:31:19] <Dave911> But snow and ice are just a waste of my time... after the first snow that looks so "pretty" the thrill is gone after about 10 shovels worth...
[14:31:42] <skunkworks> I ski - so I have winter activities
[14:35:27] <atmega> I dive and boat, snow/winter/cold suck.
[16:45:08] <skunkworks> cradek: http://www.youtube.com/user/PMIAutomation#p/u/0/4n3jD7zkuO8
[16:47:20] <archivist> ratsnest and noise...another success :)
[16:51:28] <skunkworks> ;)
[16:52:53] <pcw_home> Oww looks like gut wrench/fingerpincher
[16:55:55] <pcw_home> those are pretty big servos for no belt guard
[16:57:19] <rizo> hello
[16:57:20] <the_wench> hello rizo, you have a question?
[17:02:16] <rizo> I have a problem when i starte the emc2. It reports that the Xlib extension "GLX" is missing. Any idea - i installed some GLX libraries, but no luck. This is what i get: http://pastebin.ca/2014874
[17:04:31] <SadMan> what gfx card?
[17:04:40] <rizo> nvidea
[17:05:31] <cradek> that means your opengl isn't working
[17:05:53] <cradek> this is usually due to incorrectly installing (or installing then trying to remove) the nvidia proprietary driver
[17:07:06] <cradek> if this is a fresh install, the easiest fix is to install again, and then don't install the nvidia restricted driver when it offers
[17:07:51] <psha> or just 'dpkg -l | grep nvidia' and remove all mentioned packages :)
[17:08:57] <cradek> whoah! powered knee!
[17:09:15] <rizo> will try that, thank you
[17:11:52] <newbie|3> Hi, can someone help me with some PCB markings on the engraving bits?
[17:12:20] <cradek> possibly - not sure what you mean?
[17:13:01] <newbie|3> Thanks, I have some engraving bits and would like to know what the markings mean.
[17:13:14] <newbie|3> For example I have one that says S 0.50 - 8.1
[17:13:28] <cradek> ah
[17:13:33] <cradek> is it a drill?
[17:13:53] <newbie|3> Yes, in these case an engraving bit.
[17:13:54] <archivist> pics?
[17:13:55] <cradek> guessing -- that might be 0.5 diameter and 8.1 length
[17:14:36] <cradek> yes pics would help I bet
[17:14:40] <ries__> ries__ is now known as ries
[17:15:08] <newbie|3> That's were I'm lost. The diameter is 3.175mm ~ 1/8" but then it has these markings. Now I have some 3 face engraving bits and some Flat bed engraving bits.
[17:16:21] <newbie|3> From what I have looked up, they should represent the length and tool tip, but I'm not sure. Now, they also have one letter before the numbers, so I would imagine they could represnt the angle, but I'm not sure.
[17:16:43] <cradek> skunkworks: how do I add those power pins to my "device" that can be "invoke"d?
[17:17:05] <newbie|3> Let me see if my camera has batteries so I can put a pic. Hold on please...... Be back in a moment.
[17:17:12] <cradek> newbie|3: it might be a secret that only the manufacturer knows...
[17:17:45] <archivist> newbie|3, if you can work out who made them then their literature could help
[17:18:23] <newbie|3> Sorry, the batteries are dead.
[17:18:58] <newbie|3> Yeah, these are from China, and there are no ther markings, as to find a logo or something.
[17:19:50] <newbie|3> I guess it'll just be a another mystery.
[17:19:57] <archivist> I would get them under a measuring microscope
[17:20:41] <cradek> I'd just measure the diameters with a dial caliper and forget about the rest
[17:21:17] <archivist> note the length would be to a reference plane that you may not be able to easily see
[17:21:20] <cradek> if they're small, have them unmounted (just in your hand) when measuring, or you will snap them off
[17:21:40] <cradek> yes, the length is not going to be useful unless they have depth rings, and then maybe still not
[17:21:48] <newbie|3> I tried that already. The problem I'm having is that for example for the 3 face bits, at least one of the numbres seem to correlate with the tip length. But in the case of the flat bits, it doesn't at all.
[17:21:54] <archivist> specially if a taper mount
[17:22:11] <newbie|3> Is there any ease way to know the angle of the bit?
[17:22:38] <newbie|3> *easy*
[17:22:45] <cradek> it's easy to identify 90 and 60...
[17:22:47] <archivist> for me yes measuring microscope its non contact etc
[17:22:59] <cradek> other than that, not really
[17:23:20] <newbie|3> Ok, will try that. Thanks for all the help guys. Have a nice day.
[17:23:55] <skunkworks> cradek: ?
[17:23:59] <rizo> I removed the driver and now emc works fine :) Thank you!
[17:24:05] <cradek> yay
[17:24:16] <archivist> dual rotatable graticules++
[17:25:04] <psha> cradek: apt based systems are very stable to user intervention :)
[17:25:30] <cradek> psha: until the user downloads and installs NVIDIA.run
[17:25:42] <cradek> skunkworks: in an eagle library (sorry)
[17:26:03] <psha> heh, yes :)
[17:26:09] <tom3p> ebay has some centering microscopes occasionally, Istema, Imea, Hirschmann and 3R ( reticle is ctrd on 20mm shank or to pallet ) usually made for sink edm
[17:26:22] <skunkworks> cradek: sorry - I have only made 1 or 2 packages.. I remember it being a pain and a long time ago.
[17:26:36] <psha> i'm hanging on #opencv and most of problems for newcomers are from 'make install' and not using packages from repo :)
[17:27:15] <cradek> skunkworks: I know there's a trick -- just can't find it
[17:29:13] <tom3p> centering microscope http://tinyurl.com/2u9t25u
[17:30:40] <tom3p> psha moving from camview to opencv? ( i was just going to archive the opencv stuff)
[17:30:56] <psha> tom3p: no
[17:31:00] <tom3p> k
[17:31:02] <psha> opencv is used for some image processing
[17:31:06] <psha> inside camview framework
[17:33:13] <psha> bb
[17:48:09] <tom3p> if the tiny stuff can be moved ( you're not worried about breaking a setup ) then use a comparator http://tinyurl.com/2b6g5zh
[18:01:52] <atmega> are square steppers better than round steppers, in general?
[18:02:42] <archivist> probably no difference
[18:06:13] <SWPadnos> woo. 22/5 internet on the way!
[18:06:31] <SWPadnos> and only twice the price (for >10x the speed)
[18:17:37] <skunkworks> sweet!
[18:17:44] <skunkworks> now to take over the world!
[18:21:00] <SWPadnos> I think that needs the 50/10 service :)
[18:21:59] <poppabear> Greetings One and All!
[18:22:11] <poppabear> Any Mocca users here?
[18:24:35] <poppabear> anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?......
[18:24:37] <poppabear> :)
[18:24:48] <SWPadnos> it seems the answer is no
[18:25:01] <poppabear> yeap
[18:25:27] <poppabear> been diggin into the Mocca, it is darn cool concept, they use a IDE type of builder
[18:25:34] <poppabear> based on pascal
[18:25:50] <SWPadnos> yep
[18:26:02] <poppabear> the IDE is called Lazerus
[18:26:09] <poppabear> it is set up like VS
[18:26:13] <poppabear> studio
[18:26:33] <poppabear> So, what you upto Steve?
[18:26:56] <SWPadnos> well, I just ordered internet access that would probably make you cry :)
[18:27:04] <poppabear> doing anything cool? taking nude pics of East German Donjon Porn stars?
[18:27:08] <poppabear> really?
[18:27:18] <poppabear> T8 line.....
[18:27:20] <SWPadnos> 22Mbits down, 5Mbits up :)
[18:27:39] <poppabear> WWWWOOOOOOWWWWW
[18:27:45] <poppabear> yeap, I am totally GREEN
[18:28:00] <SWPadnos> if I want to pay another $100/month, I can make that 50/10
[18:28:12] <poppabear> I am considering getting a cable "Package" net/tv/voip etc.
[18:28:19] <SWPadnos> yep, that's what I did
[18:28:22] <SWPadnos> comcast here
[18:28:31] <skunkworks> BTW - I almost pushed one o fthe pallets on the machine last night... (just had one little bit connected wrong)
[18:28:36] <poppabear> that is what I got here
[18:28:42] <SWPadnos> the base plan is $79/mo (for a year) for 1 voice line and 12/2 internet
[18:28:52] <poppabear> avail, I am currently on Satelite and it SUCKS....... BAD
[18:28:59] <SWPadnos> yep, I recall :)
[18:29:25] <SWPadnos> (it goes up by $20 after 12 months, when the $20 discount wears off)
[18:29:30] <poppabear> Steve: they sent me that letter also
[18:29:42] <poppabear> for "buizness class"
[18:29:47] <SWPadnos> I finally bit. been thinking about it for a couple of years
[18:29:58] <poppabear> I did note that it was for BASIC cable
[18:30:25] <poppabear> so, did you, or, are you going to upgrade to even faster?
[18:30:32] <SWPadnos> actually, you can't get cable TV on a business plan at a residence (if that's what you're talking about)
[18:30:38] <SWPadnos> 22/5 is faster :)
[18:30:47] <skunkworks> poppabear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=objyMqAHUNU
[18:30:54] <poppabear> what is 22/5 mean?
[18:31:08] <poppabear> is that JUST internet only?
[18:31:09] <SWPadnos> I added several things to the basic plan: 2 lines, 22 Mdown/5up, 5 static IPs
[18:31:12] <poppabear> for 79
[18:31:23] <SWPadnos> no, it's internet + 1 phone line
[18:31:37] <poppabear> the letter I got, said, it was 79 for internet, cable TV base package, and VOIP
[18:31:39] <SWPadnos> internet speed of 12 down, 2 up
[18:31:57] <SWPadnos> yes, but there are some restrictions on cable service to home offices with commercial accounts
[18:32:00] <poppabear> so perhaps I need to call them also
[18:32:04] <SWPadnos> cable TV service that is
[18:32:12] <poppabear> I got a Home Biz
[18:32:20] <poppabear> whats the catch?
[18:32:21] <SWPadnos> yeah, you can price all you want online, but you can't actually order
[18:32:32] <SWPadnos> contract length maybe?
[18:32:45] <poppabear> they say, a 2 year min here
[18:32:49] <SWPadnos> minimum 2 year contract, discount only applies for the first year
[18:32:58] <poppabear> 20 dollar discount 1 year, goes up second year
[18:33:01] <SWPadnos> yep
[18:33:09] <SWPadnos> I have a home business as well
[18:33:22] <poppabear> but no TV on yours?
[18:33:22] <SWPadnos> the "no TV" thing applies in exactly that case
[18:33:26] <poppabear> correct?
[18:33:38] <poppabear> hmmmm
[18:33:55] <SWPadnos> I think there may be basic TV included anyway, but anything more needs a separate bill for the "home" service
[18:33:56] <poppabear> so, I guess that means that I can only get internet/VOIP
[18:34:05] <poppabear> ahhhhhh
[18:34:08] <poppabear> ok............
[18:34:14] <SWPadnos> you can still get cable, just not on the same bill (with the same discounts)
[18:34:25] <poppabear> I AM SLOW......... but, at least I do Poor work!!!!
[18:34:31] <SWPadnos> normally, cable would be included for free anyway (at a commercial location)
[18:34:35] <SWPadnos> yeah :)
[18:34:49] <SWPadnos> "consistently sets low standards, and fails to meet them"
[18:34:50] <poppabear> feeling the love.......
[18:35:09] <SWPadnos> feeling the pain
[18:35:14] <poppabear> ohhh yea....... warm and fuzzy all over now....... nope, that is Dryer lint
[18:35:39] <poppabear> well thanks for the heads up
[18:35:45] <SWPadnos> sure
[18:36:04] <SWPadnos> other than the installation fee ($100-ish), you can get a full refund within 30 days foo
[18:36:05] <poppabear> ok, who do you know on the "list" who I could pick thier brains on NML?
[18:36:22] <SWPadnos> so I'm not canceling anything else until I see it work
[18:36:27] <SWPadnos> send a message to the list
[18:36:33] <SWPadnos> anyone who knows may answer
[18:36:59] <SWPadnos> but send some (preferably specific) questions, not just "who can help me with NML"
[18:38:01] <poppabear> I was going to try and dig into the Hal stuff to see how it was doing the NML
[18:38:09] <poppabear> and mabey go from there
[18:38:23] <poppabear> Got a "Flash Screen" running on linux
[18:38:37] <SWPadnos> HAL and NML stuff are generally separate, except in the case of halui
[18:38:44] <poppabear> sorry
[18:38:45] <SWPadnos> they're for different aspects of the machine
[18:38:47] <poppabear> I meant Halui
[18:38:50] <SWPadnos> ah
[18:39:49] <poppabear> I know you know this, But........ I TOTALLY LOVE that darn "Updater" application, that thing is freaking awesome!!
[18:40:00] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:40:37] <poppabear> Hey did you see that US robotic that Stuart and Seb did at the show?
[18:40:46] <poppabear> saw the vid...... very nice.....
[18:41:03] <SWPadnos> yeah. I even helped out a bit
[18:41:19] <SWPadnos> Chris did a lot of it too
[18:41:44] <poppabear> REALLY??? So, that explains where all those Swimsuit Models came from........
[18:42:10] <SWPadnos> funny. I don't remember them
[18:42:38] <poppabear> yea, I had to "interview" them, you know, just trying to do my part.....
[18:43:13] <poppabear> BTW: That Other BIG guy sent me an email, saying he is still stuggling with his EMC machines
[18:43:30] <poppabear> He gets very angry, very quickly
[18:43:35] <SWPadnos> hmm
[18:43:44] <SWPadnos> the guy with the Mesa stuff on plywood?
[18:44:47] <skunkworks> are we talking aram?
[18:44:51] <SWPadnos> no
[18:45:01] <poppabear> Yea, the plywood guy
[18:45:32] <SWPadnos> I haven't noticed any questions on the mailing lists ...
[18:46:13] <poppabear> I told him I had ordered the stuff from mesa: 5I20, two IO cards, and 1 "stepper" card (for a small stepper desktop R and D machine)...
[18:46:50] <poppabear> Told him I got a small BP 2 running in my shop that had AB servos/drives on emc, and that REALLY pissed him off........
[18:47:20] <poppabear> I think he has a "Technology" short in his mind.........
[18:47:22] <SWPadnos> heh
[18:47:55] <poppabear> He wants me to come to his shop and help him, but, I would worry he may shoot me.......... :)
[18:47:58] <poppabear> hehehehe
[18:48:18] <poppabear> just kidding, been trying to talk him through some of the simple issues
[18:48:44] <poppabear> and explain to him how to bring in the dual PID loop from his encodes on each axis, like stuart did
[18:50:33] <skunkworks> now - with the velocity pin added to the pid - do you really need 2 pid componants to do a dual loop?
[18:51:06] <skunkworks> (summed together like stuarts setup)
[18:51:21] <SWPadnos> skunkworks, well, maybe
[18:51:32] <SWPadnos> it's I that gets fed from the scale in Stuart's setup
[18:51:36] <SWPadnos> not D
[18:54:15] <poppabear> 1st pid on motor uses p and d, 2cd pid on table the i feeds back to the 1st pids i
[18:58:51] <SWPadnos> no
[18:59:13] <SWPadnos> you connect the encoder to PID 1 and use P and D (and maybe FF0/1), but no (
[18:59:16] <SWPadnos> no I
[18:59:24] <SWPadnos> you connect the scale to PID 2 and use only I
[18:59:33] <SWPadnos> you sum the two together with a sum component
[18:59:40] <SWPadnos> sum2
[19:20:50] <spasticteapot> I need an ACME screw for a cider press.
[19:20:56] <spasticteapot> Can anyone recommend someone who will sell one cheap?
[19:21:04] <spasticteapot> Also, can I get stainless screws so they don't rust?
[19:21:38] <atmega> surplusdirect
[19:21:47] <atmega> passivate the screws after you get them
[19:22:25] <atmega> supluscenter, not direct
[19:22:36] <spasticteapot> Passivate?
[19:23:19] <atmega> an acid treatment that gets rid of the exposed iron
[19:25:15] <spasticteapot> Interesting.
[19:25:25] <spasticteapot> I'd rather use stainless - it's easier to make it food safe.
[19:25:52] <atmega> were you asking if you could get stainless screws, or stainless screws that won't rust?
[19:34:56] <spasticteapot_> spasticteapot_ is now known as spasticteapot
[19:39:25] <ries__> ries__ is now known as ries
[19:39:35] <archivist> buy a lump of stainless and machine your own acme screw
[19:44:56] <skunkworks> doesn't mcmaster carr sell acme stainless?
[19:53:54] <archivist> hint cider press
[19:59:11] <skunkworks> big diameter?
[19:59:21] <tom3p> dont ask what 22/5 is, google it ( the answer you get is some biblical crossdressing reference :)
[20:00:54] <SWPadnos> yea, verily. worship not the false idol of faster internet service
[20:02:28] <archivist> skunkworks, 3-3" and a few feet long
[20:02:32] <archivist> 2-3
[20:02:49] <archivist> ish plus or minus a mile
[20:03:03] <skunkworks> would a ball screw work? lots of surplus large ball screws used in jacks
[20:03:10] <skunkworks> or does it have to be finer?
[20:03:42] <motioncontrol> good evening, normaly feed is in mm/minuts, can write feed in meter/minut ?
[20:04:23] <archivist> skunkworks, part of it is the ability to clean the other is high force
[20:04:45] <atmega> I'm pretty sure I've never seen a cider press
[20:07:52] <ries__> ries__ is now known as ries
[20:16:21] <tom3p> archivist: i had a rise and fall tank, it used acme rods to lift about 80 gallons of oil. one rod in each of 4 corners, synced with bicycle chain, lotsa force, not huge diameters
[20:18:43] <archivist> I was imagining something like http://www.thorogoods.com.au/img/world_cider_press.jpg
[20:20:26] <archivist> a bigger one http://www.yourdictionary.com/cider-press
[20:20:37] <tom3p> yeah, he's stepping the force out from center with the 'crib' of wood pieces, the 4 screws could spread the force around too
[20:21:30] <tom3p> heh, big wood screw, lotsa force there
[20:22:58] <tom3p> diy plans http://www.van-vliet.org/dempseywoodworking/appleciderpress.shtml
[20:24:19] <atmega> 1HP press http://yesteryearsnews.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hintonciderpress141204.jpg
[20:54:55] <motioncontrol> good evening, is can move the maschine with emc in meter/minut type f0.2 ?
[21:20:14] <skunkworks> couldn't change the input scale by 1000?
[21:22:14] <cradek> EMC only supports inch and mm units. feeds are inch/min or mm/min.
[21:22:32] <cradek> it's true you can lie about the scaling if you want, but you'll break the relationship between g20 and g21 if you do
[21:23:28] <skunkworks> minor detail. then your feeds would be in 1000ipm
[21:23:30] <skunkworks> ;)
[21:23:46] <skunkworks> ikpm?
[21:25:21] <skunkworks> cradek: did you see the pallet cycle? I am winning! :)
[21:26:46] <motioncontrol> cradek more thanks for help
[21:29:25] <cradek> skunkworks: yay!
[21:29:28] <cradek> motioncontrol: welcome
[22:18:06] <JT-Hardinge> The size of the addition to the shop is set in stone now well concrete actually...
[22:20:21] <cradek> yay!
[22:20:27] <cradek> what a nice feeling
[22:20:38] <cradek> now you can put up walls - it goes very fast
[22:22:00] <JT-Hardinge> I have the footer today, the slab will be tomorrow I hope
[22:22:58] <JT-Hardinge> the most interesting part will be tying the new roof into the old roof, one is 26' trusses and the new is 32' trusses
[22:23:17] <JT-Hardinge> both 6-12 pitch